EP 41 WILL GREY CHURCH POLITICS DETERMINE THE OUTCOME OF THIS ELECTION? #tgc #davidplatt #timkeller

Their pastors are teaching them. That's what Platt and that's what Chandler are saying, for the sake of the gospel, supposedly. We need to be neutral and quiet about political matters, so that anybody and everybody will feel welcome in the church.

And they cast it as a mere difference of opinion, like whether you like to root for the Eagles or the Giants. It's just that kind of neutral opinion matter, versus gross moral evil on one side, versus upholding righteousness on the other.

What they don't see is that they're losing respect, too. I think pastors used to have a lot more respect, and people were more willing to listen to what they say now. But now, because pastors are being guided by the people, telling them not to say anything, and telling them to keep their mouths shut, I think they're losing respect by not taking a stand and just following the Word of God and pastoring people.

What do you think? Do you think that's something that's going on? Yeah. Well, there was just a documentary released about David Platt, that behind the scenes, he was funneling church money to the big Eva elites of the Southern Baptist Convention.

He was hiding that from the congregation. He even hid it from his own elders. So that level of corruption is just unthinkable. But it's coming from the same man that preached social justice to his church and shipwrecked the church on the rocks of social justice.

These things are connected, because there's a broken moral compass that would allow the same person to do two very wicked things. The problem is, somehow, the church at large is still granting credibility to men who have lost their right to be considered credible.

Welcome to Tearing Down High Places. I'm Average Joe. Welcome to the program. I've recognized that over the last few weeks, I have not thought about the fact, guys, that there's people out there that don't know who we are or who you guys are, more importantly.

I'd love to just get a little introductions from each of you. Pastor Jeff Clewer, how about a little background, off the cuff?

Off the cuff. So Dallas Seminary, then went on to inner city Philadelphia for 12 years as a missionary, and then became the senior pastor of Cornerstone Church, this beloved family right here in South Jersey.

I've been here for about nine years. And wow, the Lord has blessed our church. Hasn't he, Tim? Amen. Bless you guys with me. No, I'm just kidding. I'm Pastor Tim. I met Jeff playing basketball, ended up coming to church, ended up serving in the youth ministry, ended up taking over as youth pastor.

I went to school at Cairn University, and now I'm married to a beautiful wife. Some of you guys have seen her, Mrs. Robinson, on the show. So I'm blessed beyond measure myself, happy to be a part of the church.

And then the Lord bless us with Average Joe Gormley. How about you give us an introduction, Joe?

Well, the reason I like to say Average Joe is because we've got real brain trust between you two with your knowledge of the Lord. And what we're trying to do with this podcast is apply theology to average everyday stuff.

We're calling it tearing down high places for those who are wondering, because in the book of Kings, even the good kings, or no, the evil kings did what was right in their own eyes. But even the good kings neglected to tear down the high places, and we want to make sure we're tearing down those high places.

They're areas of social compromise. And with one week left to the election, what do you think we're going to talk about today?

Dark MAGA hat. Have you seen those dark MAGA hats?

Yeah, yeah. Actually, I got a picture of Tim McCormick wearing one yesterday. I just put it on Facebook.

Oh, me and my son, Tim. There's a lot of Tim's in our church. Me and my son, Tim, are each going to get one. We were talking about that last night. And the other Tim, Tim, you got to get one. Then all our Tim's.

First Timothy, second Timothy, and third Timothy. Yeah, we all got to take a picture together. Yeah, with dark MAGA hats.

So, yeah, so we're talking about the election, and there's so many things going on. One of the things, I shared an article with you, Jeff, and I think it's appropriate if I read a short clip from it. There it is.

So here's the article here. Ignore the voting advice from political pandering religious leaders like Platt and Chandler. Expect the political virtue signaling from evangelicals to ramp up in the coming days as notable evangelical figureheads like Matt Chandler and David Platt take to their pulpits and platforms to preach a message of carefully curated neutrality that ultimately lands nowhere.

Pastor Jeff, Pastor Tim, what the heck is going on here? What are they doing?

Okay, so here's what's happening. They're wanting to create an equivalency because there's sin in both camps, right? Nobody's perfect. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But in the case of Donald Trump, you have past sexual misconduct.

You have lies that he's told. You have character flaws, even that self-absorption that everybody notes about him, right? You have that on one side. And so what's happening is the attempt to create an equivalency between those kind of personal character flaws and the policies of Kamala's administration that does things like making Easter a trans awareness day.

Or at the Democratic National Convention, having a murder set up in front of the DNC to encourage people, pregnant women, to come in and sacrifice their babies to Moloch. Or you could think about what was done in Tim Walz, Minnesota, right?

Did you know that the Born Alive Infant Act was supported by all the Republicans, but most of the Democrats supported, would not support the Born Alive Infant Protection Act? Meaning that if a baby is born through a box abortion and is alive on the operating table in a hospital room, they would have the baby die.

Just let the baby die in the name of family choice. And this has actually happened eight times in the state of Minnesota. Eight babies left to die in Tim Walz, Minnesota. So what they're trying to do is create an equivalency between character flaws, personal flaws of Donald Trump and the monstrous, wicked evil of the Democratic Party.

And there is no equivalency. So you can't be neutral because, listen to what the Bible says, Proverbs 24, 11 and 12. Rescue those who are being taken away to death. Hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter.

If you say, behold, we did not know this. Does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who keeps watch over your soul know it? And he will not repay man. And will he not repay man according to his work?

All that to say, you can't just be silent in the face of this kind of monstrous evil that affects human babies made in the image of God. Yeah, that's powerful. Tim, what do you say? Man, what I think is if we have people, just average citizens, bold enough to put a Trump Vance sign on their lawn, then pastors got to be bold enough to at least tell us who they're voting for, or at least advise us how to vote, or at least be able to be man enough to take a stand for something, especially something that needs to be taken a stand for.

One side is killing babies, and the other side loves America. One side hates America. One side loves America. One side loves life. One side loves death. It isn't that controversial to be afraid to say anything about it.

This is important. Speak up and tell the people what to do and be a shepherd is my advice, and I think what God wants us to do. It's crazy because I just was over my friend John's house. His house has a Trump Vance sign outside, and right next door to it is an LGBTQ sign, and then right next to that LGBTQ house is another Trump Vance.

It's like people are at least choosing a side, so I think pastors got to choose a side too and help people.

I really think there's a lot of Christians out there that may or may not hopefully watch this podcast who say, well, you know, Jesus is in charge. He's king and sovereign over all, and no matter what happens, we just can't worry about it.

Let's not get excited. Let's not get it doesn't matter who you vote for. Is that true?

It's such a perverse lie because what we do in this world matters. We know that like in how we raise our kids. Let them watch pornography. What will happen? What will happen? Maybe they need to suffer a little bit in order to be sanctified.

We don't think like that in our private spaces. How could we possibly think that way in the public sphere?

I think they do though. I think some great churches do think that way. They don't worry about what they're watching. What?

Their pastors are teaching them. That's what Platt and that's what Chandler are saying. For the sake of the gospel, supposedly, we need to be neutral and quiet about political matters so that anybody and everybody will feel welcomed in the church.

They cast it as a mere difference of opinion, like whether you like to root for the Eagles or the Giants. It's just that kind of neutral just opinion matter versus gross moral evil on one side versus upholding righteousness on the other.

What they don't see is that they're losing respect too. I think pastors used to have a lot more respect and people were more willing to listen to what they say now. But now because pastors are being guided by the people telling them not to say anything and telling them to keep their mouth shut, I think they're losing respect by not taking a stand and just following the Word of God and pastoring people.

What do you think? Do you think that's something that's going on? Yeah. Well, there was just a documentary released about David Platt that behind the scenes, he was funneling church money to the big Eva elites of the Southern Baptist Convention.

He was hiding that from the congregation. He even hid it from his own elders. So that level of corruption is just unthinkable. But it's coming from the same man that preached social justice to his church and shipwrecked the church on the rocks of social justice.

These things are connected because there's a broken moral compass that would allow the same person to do two very wicked things. And the problem is somehow the church at large is still granting credibility to men who have lost their right to be considered credible.

They're still reading the Gospel Coalition. They're still listening to David Platt. That documentary won't move the needle that much. People will still listen to David Platt.

What is the connection with the Gospel Coalition? Can you tell people who the Gospel Coalition is, maybe who they used to be versus who they are today, if they were any different in the past?

No. From the very beginning, in their very mission statement, social justice is written right into the definition of justice. So from the beginning, Tim Keller, being the think tank behind it, but also partnered with D .A. Carson.

But Keller, being the one pushing this, was able to convince the evangelical elite from Platt to Tabeti Aniweble to all of the council members, which was really the elite members of evangelical culture.

They all came together to form the Gospel Coalition. And what they'll do is they'll write many good articles. Even from your former church, there's that young lady who writes for them, and she writes great things about family.

I've got an article of hers to show, and it saddens me because I feel like she's this girl. How dare you!

I was referring to a different lady from that church who writes articles about family on the Gospel Coalition, but there's another one. That's the one that you're going to bring up. But listen, the Gospel Coalition puts out some good content.

But from the very beginning, there was this poison of Marxism, communist economics, that was deeply embedded in Gospel Coalition rhetoric. And it came out in the whole social justice movement that they eventually were the ones pushing into the evangelical church.

So that's where that stands.

Yeah, the woman I was going to bring up and her article. Listen, I put up that picture of Greta Thornburg because I feel like this Gospel Coalition is promoting some women as attack dogs when they're not willing to speak for themselves.

And I think you and I talked about this. I was really upset about this article because she's slandering Trump. She's saying things that are completely false. But I don't want to attack her.

What's that? If somebody makes something public like that, we can interact with it. So go ahead and show it. All right. We'll show it.

We'll share the screen here. Oops, right there. How to vote this presidential election. I'll tell you the part that bothered me the most is just also it's not a very long article, but she says when one candidate consistently dehumanizes and spreads lies about immigrants, how can I vote for him?

I mean, right off the bat, she's it's it's just complete. It's just complete fabrication. It's arbitrary. It's not true. I mean, if you if all you do is flip between CNN and MSNBC, you may say I have two witnesses.

Right. There you go. That's not the two witnesses God's talking about. Deuteronomy 19. Right. So the term consistently even, you know, again, you know, that's just not that's just false. It's just flat out false.

And we cannot lie. And I don't want to, you know, go after a woman. But, I mean, I think there's men in the gospel coalition that are using women to promote. They're putting women in battle. And, you know, I don't know, complementarianism or patriarchy or whatever you are.

Women in battle should not be what we're seeking.

Am I right? John Knox called the women who are leading in his day the regiment of monstrous women. And it was Mary Tudor and Bloody Mary, you know, all of the and the queen of France. These women were adamantly opposed to the truth of Jesus Christ.

And Knox, he issued a trumpet call against the regiment of monstrous women. He took a lot of heat for it. He almost lost his neck. But ultimately, he was vindicated. And it was Knox who gave us the United States of America, ultimately, with his political theology that he got from Calvin.

And then the Scottish Presbyterians who came to America, Samuel Mills and all of the Black Robe Regiment, preaching freedom resulted in manly rebellion against the tyranny of England. So it was. But you're right, though, Joe.

In the American Revolution, they didn't send the women to the front line to fall. They protected the women. And it was the men who stood up. So where you have that kind of value system, you have marching forward with a God-ordained leadership.

But where you abdicate that, doesn't the Bible say something about women ruling over men in Isaiah?

Wow, boy, I'm glad you brought that up. Well, yeah. Isaiah 3 .12 says, My people, infants, are their oppressors, and women rule over them. And that's in the context of if a woman's ruling over you, you're under God's judgment.

Is that the right context? What about Deborah? Wasn't she a judge of Israel? Yeah, they were under judgment because the men would not stand up. And that's what we've got today. We've got men that are hiding in the back, and they're pushing women up to the front lines.

Right. But is that even in the story of Judges 5 and following?

Wasn't there a guy named Barak? Yeah, Barak. Barak said, I'll only go if you'll go. He said, Deborah, please, please, Deborah, go to the battle with me. I'll fight next to your side.

Yeah. And then how does God judge with the killing of a king, of the wicked king? He uses the tent peg of J .L. in that same story to further humiliate him that a woman pounded the tent peg through his head.

Yeah. Yeah. That's actually the point of the story.

I always see men. I'm sorry. Men be strong. First Corinthians 16. I have so many scars from my feminist upbringing. I always feel like I got to bring up Proverbs 31 15 every time I mock a woman trying to be a man in the Bible, because that's what it is.

And that's why our culture loves it. We want the women to be men. And, you know, strong women that I talk to that understand this, they say, yeah, we want our men out there training to be men because we value men.

Yes.

And that's what feminism is. It's valuing masculinity in a woman. It's teaching women to be what men are, to be the more assertive in the relationship, to take headship, to shatter every glass ceiling and, you know, rise up to take ground.

But what we ought to do is the opposite of feminism, is celebrate actual femininity in our women like Titus 2. Amen. To love their husbands and to love their children. It is so feminine to give birth to children and to raise them to know the Lord.

And the more the better. The quiver full of kids. That is a woman that you ought to exalt and encourage and hold up to the church as a model. The opposite of that comes from places like the Gospel Coalition.

They're always pushing Ken Wilkin as a model of what femininity is. But if I give you a great resource to refute what she talks about, there's a guy named A .D. Robles who just did a six-part series on Jen Wilkin.

So if you just Google A .D. Robles, Jen Wilkin, it's a six-part series showing how her reasoning is completely unbiblical from first to last. But that's what the Gospel Coalition is pushing. Women to the front, just like you said, Joe, because it's harder for people to refute because the natural instinct is, hey, I'm not going to battle against a woman.

If you truly are a man and you're manly, you're not going to want to battle against women. Right.

You know what women really should be doing in the church. According to the Bible, especially the older women, should be teaching the younger women to submit to their husbands. How much of that in the church do you think actually takes place?

I wouldn't know because I'm a man, but I don't know how much. I think that that's an area that probably every church I know should improve in.

Yes. We can all improve in discipleship, right? Yeah.

That aspect of women's ministry is the one piece that's missing the most. Now, we're blessed in our church that we have women who value submission to headship and they counsel one another that way. But there's a lot of churches that don't value that.

That's the exact opposite message. Women are empowered to do anything and everything but that.

The term complimentarian in my old church where they push complimentarianism in their doctrine. On the website, I'll share something again. I like to share stupid things. I can cut this out if you want.

When I was in my divorce trial, which was 13 days, by the way, and it was a female judge and I had a female adversary, my ex's attorney, they grilled me for two, I want to say two hours at least, on complimentarianism and how radical my church was.

And I didn't go. I went to a great church.

Joey, keep that in. That's so important to say. So where is the word complimentarian in the Bible? Nowhere. Right. What does the word patriarchy mean? Father rule. Right. So what is ruling but headship, right?

Now, the curse on the woman in Genesis 3 .16 is that her desire will be for her husband, but he will rule over her. Now, there's a parallel in Genesis 4 .7 where sin is crouching at the door. It's desire in the same exact construction is for you, but you must rule over it.

Therefore, by that parallelism, we know that when it says her desire will be for her husband, it means that she would desire to exert herself in headship to rule over her husband. But the way it's made, it's not like a parallel as in they'll both compete for it.

Right. Okay. It's saying he will rule over you. Meaning that headship, that patriarchy is built into the very nature of the universe and is the order of it's ontologically so. Now, epistemologically, meaning in what people know, there's the rub.

You see, it might be ontologically the case, but she doesn't know that all the time. There are times in her mind where she thinks that she can take control over the man. And that never goes well. But that's the curse on the woman.

That's what she has to fight against by the grace given her in Jesus Christ. And sanctification helps her do it more and more. Now, conversely, men have a curse on the ground and on the work of our hands.

And we have to battle and fight by blood, sweat, and tears. And the curse then would be for us to give up, to become passive, to not work the ground, and not bring forth and provide and protect. But we're to be the assertive, aggressive ones, but we're also under a curse.

So vote male and female, but it's a different battle. We don't battle for headship as men because that's not the curse we're against. That's just what it is. Patriarchy is not a bad word. It just means father rule.

It's what God built the universe to be. Amen. So what do you guys think about the president of the United States being a woman one day? I'm curious to hear what you guys think about that. Would you prefer it to be a man?

Because it would be a what if Donald Trump had the same values and the same policies as Kamala Harris, and Kamala Harris had Donald Trump's policies and things like that? Would we have to vote for Kamala then?

Yeah, if it came down to the two, right? When Deborah stepped up because there was no godly man to lead, or when a missionary woman goes to the ends of the earth where no guy was willing to go, and she starts a church until there's a man there, she can do Bible studies and lead because she's the only person there.

It's not the ideal, but it's because the men haven't stepped up. In the same way, I would rather have a godly version of Kamala over an ungodly version of Trump, right? Policy to policy, right? You take the woman in that case.

But there's a reason that it's 46 out of 46. That's a pretty high percentage in terms of the history of the United States of America. That's facia evidence that God built something into the knowledge of humanity innate to us that men are meant to lead.

So it's never happened in America because there's a governor inside of us. It wouldn't feel right, and it wouldn't be right. It's not the ideal. So yeah, we're not pushing for the first, yay, the first female president will be a momentous day in the country.

No, that would be lamentable. But I think Trump will win partly because people know that deep in their bones. And this is not a Deborah situation where Kamala is stepping up and doing the right thing.

This is someone stepping up and doing the wrong thing, which would be almost like a double judgment on America, I think. This is precisely like Bloody Mary murdering Christians in England, that she is as wicked as that because the blood of babies is on her hands.

And her whole campaign is built around bloodlust, wanting to sacrifice more and more babies. If you're dealing with that level of evil, how is that any different than Bloody Mary?

Yeah, I'm going to say, to answer your question, Tim, I'm so grateful that I've finally matured enough to stand up to feminism, which is very difficult to do. I think the penetration of feminism into this culture should not be underestimated as we go out to witness to people.

And we want to try to understand where they're at and come alongside them, not be secret sensitive in the church. But I'm saying when we're out witnessing to people, right. But to say, hey, I understand this may be uncomfortable for you, but it's in God's word.

And I'm so grateful that I'm at a good church where I'm learning verse by verse. And I got to say, you know, hey, the Bible says this is how things go to plan. This is it's sinful. And so many people hate the word sinful.

You know who hates the word sinful more than than the unchurched or the godless is the squishy Christian, you know, who just got in and got a little bit of pushback, just a little bit, a little tiny bit.

It's like, come on, we've got to encourage these people to man up, to be bold. You know, it's far from picking up your cross. It's just standing on truth, you know? Amen.

Makes me think of our friend David that we had on talking about the marriage supper of the lamb. And Joe was like, you know, people telling their stories. And Joe's like, oh, yeah, they made fun of me on Facebook.

We got to be able to to to suffer some persecution and stand up and do the right thing. If if if that's the cost and that's the persecution we have to endure, man, we're pretty weak men if we're not willing to do that.

That's such a great clip with David Bonham. That was awesome. Marriage supper of the lamb when we get up there in heaven and Mary comes out and she tells her story and then David comes out and tells his story.

And then they go and they ask us and they say, what did they do to you? They made fun of me on Facebook. And cut off your head. Yeah. Great. Yeah. So when did they cut off your head? Well, you know what?

Hey, if Kamala gets elected, dude, we could get our head cut off. So, you know, stay tuned. You never know. We got to be ready, though. You know, I've got I've got my one Catholic friend from college who watches this episode all the time.

Our episodes all the time. And he's he's constantly railing on me about he's like, you're the only person on the planet talking about the Equality Act. And no one seems to want to talk about it, even on your show.

And I'm like, you know, it's real. It happened. Twenty twenty one. And they want to bring it back. And if they get the House and Senate and presidency, it's it's game over for Christian orthodoxy. You know, the the rainbow flag churches are going to be the only ones left standing.

Yeah. That's because your friend doesn't know that, you know, more about the Equality Act and many things even more than than I do. So you're an expert in fields like that. So your friend needs to understand that you you're our guy when it comes to stuff like that.

You're not the interviewer anymore. Joe, he's go to Joe.

Go to Joe. Yeah. Yep. I'm going to stick with average so I don't have to repent too hard. So anyway. Yeah. No, it's it's it's serious, though. I mean, you know, you get back this election. So we're we're we're we're voting on Tuesday.

All right. Well, pause right there for a second, Joe. Yeah, we're voting. Right. I think everybody who watches the show knows that Tim, Jeff and Joe are going to vote. Very slim chance that we wouldn't.

But the Barna study that recently came out said that 51 percent of evangelicals are not going to vote in this election. Oh, really? Fifty one percent. And the reasoning is, hey, I'm too pious for that.

I don't want to sully my hands by pushing the button for a man who has committed adultery in his past and things like that. What would you say to 51 percent unwilling to cast a ballot? You are a woman.

I mean, what if they are a woman? What do you say to a woman who's not going to vote now?

You know, how can you how can you sit by and, you know, I think they've been sold a lie that, you know, somehow suffering when you volunteer for suffering. It's a it's a righteous thing. You know, they've been sold this.

I mean, you know, you got a couple of stories from the first century that are probably. You know, we don't have all the details and there's been some stuff filled in there. I'm thinking of who am I thinking of that?

They said his that, you know, the lions will grind their teeth on my bones and something like that.

I forget which is Book of Martyrs kind of thing that.

Yeah, I mean, but but I think you've spoken on this podcast previously. I mean, volunteering for suffering is not. There's no glory for God in that.

Right. And there's no glory in exposing others to suffering. Right. No, it's not.

It's the opposite of loving your neighbor. Right.

Love your neighbor. Love your neighbor brings glory. Yeah. I got a confession to make to you guys. This will be my first time voting for the president this election. Wow. I just was not educated or thought it was a, you know, a big thing when I was 18.

And then in 2020, I was in California. So I couldn't vote and I may or may not have committed election fraud and had my brother vote for me. But I never actually physically voted. So here I am going to make my first vote for Donald Trump.

And I may or may not have. You made a confession there, Pastor Tim. Yeah. Yeah. I was waiting for his confession.

You shouldn't make a pastor's confession, Sid. Yeah. So. Yeah, in 2020, I was in California, so I couldn't make a vote. And before that, I mean, I was registered Republican because my mom knew better.

And she taught me to be a Republican. But past that, I just never like I was like, oh, I'm not going to make a difference. But now I realize that was just wrong thinking. And reading the Bible, it transforms your mind into renewing your mind and thinking properly.

But there's people like that that how I used to think, just not thinking and not knowing how important it is. Now, you know, we're doing blitzes in Philadelphia trying to get people to to change their mind on that.

I needed something like that back when I was, you know, a young man.

Tim, when when the Republicans all get in control of the presidency and they have their houses, we're going to spend full time chastising Republicans.

So it's true. But like, you know, that was the only guidance I had. That was, you know, pretty good, I would say. Joe, I want to say something in answer to that question that I asked you. What would you say to the person who's sitting this one out?

I would I would say my message is not shame on you. My message is I I understand. I think that that's coming in from a good place in your heart that you you don't like brash, like arrogant kind of leaders.

And you have a genuine conviction that this person just grates on you. I totally get that. I don't shame you for that. But my point would be to say there's a difference between a personal characteristic and what public policy does to real human beings made in the image of God.

So we talked about the babies that are being massacred. This will be a battle like Roe v. Wade for the next 50 years to undo the merit, the abort national abortion ban that Kamala Harris put into place.

And people will say for 50 years, you'll never get to undo that. And Christians will keep fighting and fighting. But look, Trump was the one who overturned Roe v. Wade by putting in Barrett and Kavanaugh and Gorsuch.

Right. He did that. So this real baby's lives now in 10 states, 10 states, Texas, Oklahoma, the Dakotas. Abortion has been banned. Like, look at what happened because of these things. It actually matters.

They used to I remember because I've been in this political game kind of opposite of Tim. I've been out on the streets since 2004 doing the campaigning thing before an election, because I would say the most important thing is Supreme Court justices.

That's why you're electing this president, because we have to overturn Roe v. Wade. And the pious Christian said, oh, you've been saying that for decades. It's never going to happen. Well, guess what?

It happened. Nice. Amen. And now we need every state to outlaw abortion. So that's the the fight is at the state level. So that's that's the the lives of babies. What about the life of this 12 year old who hits puberty and starts to be confused about their gender?

And their mom is pushing them into some kind of chemical castration. They will never experience sexual pleasure. They will never reproduce. They will never know the joy of being a mother or father if these kind of policies are allowed.

Think about what trend the transing of our children actually does to them or even girl sports or having men change in front of girls, boys, you know, boys and girls in these locker rooms pretending to be the opposite sex.

This is destroying our society. This is not a small thing. It's ripping apart the very fabric of America. You can't just sit back and say, well, I don't like the mean tweet guy, and therefore I'm not going to oppose an evil that's destroying children.

Like, wake up. You have to make a godly choice. You have to think biblically about these things. You can't be emotional in this. You have to think biblically.

And I think we've only talked about a couple of really big, obvious things so that we can make really good arguments. I mean, there is a stack, a stack, let me say stack of evils that are going on out there in our in our government.

I mean, so, so deep, so many, so many that I hesitate to even bring up. Right. Because we just don't have time to unpack it or to provide the evidence. But I think, you know, hey, let me let me do this first along the same lines.

Let me make a confession like Tim did. I I have a 2020 Trump hat. I've never voted for Trump. This will be my first vote for Donald J. Trump. Glad to be told. Previously, I voted for the Constitution Party in both elections, 2016 and 2020.

And I didn't think New Jersey was in play. And I didn't think I could. I didn't think I wanted to give a Republican vote for the local Republican Party, the New Jersey Party, the Camden or Burlington County Republican parties.

They're all horrible. Right. Just horrible. You know, as we had on last week, we had on a gubernatorial candidate from the Constitution Party who ran because the Republicans didn't put up a pro-life candidate.

You know, so that's so that's my confession. But to that point, going back to what you were saying there, because I never voted like that. What the heck was the point? I lost my train of thought.