TiL- Conference Recap

Welcome to the truth and love podcast. We're thankful that you could join us this evening tonight. We're gonna have an open conversation. We're gonna have a recap of the Conference that happened at the end of April.

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It turned out. Okay, but when it says join us for a conversation that will change your life. Don't rely on our conversation to change your life. We the only Message that can change lives is the message of the gospel and in God's Word.

So I would I would change that but don't get me wrong. I appreciate a AI and The technology that we have today.

How you doing, Dan? I'm doing all right, and you know Robert it may change their life. It never necessarily said positively. They may become extremely bored and go to sleep or enjoy what we're saying or I mean.

There's tons of life changes doesn't always have to be positive. That is true. So we've got we've got a big a big open sweet spot for us to land in. You know, whether it be positive or negative.

Well, we are. We are on the other side of the 2024 labor's conference. I will tell you what my aim and goals are in the future and especially the near future and if you haven't already seen I have. I have changed the network logo and Before the conference I changed up our little display here for our podcast.

What I'm aiming to do is Is Be clean. Do things with excellence For the glory of God. I won't as we are as the Holy Spirit is working on us to reflect himself. I'll hope that that would carry over into the things that we create the conversations that we have and so I Would I Want it to look good for the Lord and I want our conversations to be pleasing to him as well.

So everything that we do we would do unto the Lord. And so that's that's my goal moving forward in. Hopefully you'll see some of those good changes. The comment line is open. Let me say that we have some folks joining us this evening.

We're just going to have a recap of the conference. We're gonna have probably a short conversation tonight. Nothing deep or theological maybe. We want to talk about Subjects that Dan and I can talk about on the truth and love podcast in the future.

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Subject that you would like to have a conversation about. Let us know that you're watching. Say hello. Yeah, so how did you feel overall about the conference. Dan. It was. It was good.

Overall it was good. I've been to a A couple couple conferences on a couple hosted by the Bible college that I went to and then I went to the That one the the banner of truth conference In in Pennsylvania the East Coast ministers conference and that that was good and I really enjoyed the free books because they had they had a a Damaged book room and they say everybody go in there and get five You know, so you get five bucks.

It was good. Then they had all sorts of other stuff. It was good but I'll tell you what leaving out of the The laborers conference was the most refreshed I'd ever felt leaving out of a conference. I Don't know what it is.

There's so much going on that you end up leaving out of there, you know, you're edified you're you're full but you're Tired, right? I left out of The laborers conference and Call me get out of here anyway.

So one thing about Apple products if you got it on your phone It's good. They're gonna try to call you and it'll show up on your computer and everything else. But I left out of the laborers conference feeling refreshed like I had some energy.

Not because we didn't do anything, but because I don't know why it was just it was it was a good time. It was good stuff left out full, you know hearing lots of good preaching lots of convicting messages things to think about things that apply and Then just refreshed.

I Felt the same way. It's it's a little overwhelming for me. Kind of I want I'm wanting to make sure things are Running smoothly running. Well, everything is going going well and and I would tell you now we're trying to make sure the Everything got videoed and we had some hiccups with with the video and audio at the beginning.

But but the Lord saw fit to to see us through those things and we got We got everything videoed. He got good quality audio. So we're thankful to the Lord for that and Some some of the other guys made a comment about the the conference not being overwhelming but being more relaxed and you know, I want to say this publicly publicly to one of the things that I failed to mention to the The the folks at Rep Ramada Baptist Church was you know, they were great they were so kind especially when it comes to being flexible, we had some hiccups with a schedule and Lunch cumbersome and which is a good thing we we had opportunity to have a conversation with one another and we want to engage one another there was tons of conversation happening and so That Pushed our time back a little bit or forward but it but it was.

It kind of did but it kind of didn't. Day two we we finished up early went to lunch I had some hiccups at lunch still got back and and I think I finished my sermon before I was supposed to start it. Yeah.

It all worked out it all worked out and and so that's something that I want to keep in mind for next year when we when we plan and organize the the schedule the the speaking arrangements. What can we do so that it's not it's not overbearing overwhelming for the speakers for those in attendance.

How can we make it a joyful and restful? Experience I wanted to I especially wanted to be a restful experience for for the speakers for you guys who are traveling I mean you guys who traveled really traveled and Some of you guys that traveled Had other issues going on even at the conference that that just could have you know, it could have bummed them out Tremendously and and made things negative but there was such a sweet spirit such trust in the Lord and positive spirit and kindness From everyone that We were able to look over those those few negative things and And have a really really great time with one another and our fellowship.

Outside of the conference our time that we were able to spend together Was wonderful. No, we don't we don't get to do that throughout the year. You know that we only get to see each other just like you see us.

We only see each other virtually throughout the year so that this one time of year is special for us because we get to see each other face-to-face and and spend some some time together and it was it was really good and It shouldn't it shouldn't surprise us.

But there's there's something different when you are people people you don't even know people that you you know, really and You don't you don't know them. Well you You've only known them for a short period of time.

These people are not people that you you grew up with. I say all that to say we shouldn't be surprised, but it's such a Wonderful blessing that the Lord gives us when we come together like that some of us were we're living and staying together in the same house and We we got a long great conversation we we loved on one another and Yeah.

The the Lord does that? Yep, when families couples are are together for any length of time and there's there's No friction. No conflict the the Lord Leads us to treat each other like the brothers and sisters that we are.

Mm-hmm such a one. It's a wonderful experience.

Also really neat to know that that the the numbers up there at the top of our screen anyway I don't know if anybody else can see it probably not. That says that there's like four or five people watching to know that those are actually real people That will talk to you.

I thought they were just putting stuff up there make us feel good about ourselves, but Apparently people who are actually actually watching us. It's good.

That's another thing that come out at the conference when Pastor Claude he he gave the congregation opportunity at the end of the conference to speak to us and. And you had members of his congregation that were saying hey we watch you guys.

Yeah, we we like what you're doing. We watch you guys and we appreciate you guys. And to to put like you said to put faces with those numbers. Yeah, it's such it was such a blessing that.

The Lord is a bit of motivation knowing that you're able to To bless real folks that you're actually, you know. It's it's good, you know, what was it I said now that I said it was in the Psalms what would.

Behold how very good it is a pleasant thing to see you when brothers joined to live as one in peace and unity. Yes.

That was so appropriate that was such a blessing to hear that I didn't write it. So it was in the Psalms, right, right, but but the fact that you. Was that something that you the Lord brought to you or something that you had come across there the conference or had you planned to use?

That I didn't plan to use it until like lunch. Like maybe like 30 minutes 45 minute or hour or so before hour and a half before for the sermon. Yeah, I didn't plan on using that at all. But it gave when we at least the the Atlantic Presbytery of the RPC enabled we gathered together.

We end our time together with that song. You know and it hasn't always been no pleasant. At presbytery meetings. There's sometimes some hard things that have to go on no difficult conversations or whatnot.

But we try to remind remind ourselves that you know, why are we here? What are we here for we're here because God has called us together to live in unity with him and with one another. So, yeah, it's something that in the we probably could have sung that song because apparently it's to the tune of Oh-for-a-thousand-tongues-to-sing.

So you wouldn't let us and well, I could have done action. In fact, I just like music at the church this past Sunday. Learned how to do the whole you know.

I'll watch the video with you doing. I know you can do it. Oh.

Goodness, you also would have saw that I messed up the lines a.

Few times I.

Can I can do two two or three things? I can either sing the right words. Or keep the the tempo or have the right tune. So sometimes I had the right tune in the right tempo by singing the wrong words. Oh.

Well speaking of the conference I want to talk to you about the messages. Let me show you let me show you this first guys I have to take down the the picture. Hold on. Let me take down the picture. Nope.

Nope. There we go, so so this is the YouTube and you can go to Playlists or you can go to podcast. You can listen to the podcast on YouTube, I think but also YouTube music. Um. That's where the the pocket you will find the podcast and it's in a playlist already.

So here you have pastor John. I'm not gonna go through all of them. But the the playlist is here. You can find it there and then. Let me show you one more while we've got the the screen down. Yeah, you can also go to the the website labors conference .com.

I'm going to keep the I want to keep the 2024 conference up for a while so people can go and find the sermons but It has all the sermons. If you don't feel like navigating YouTube go to labors conference .com and it has all all the sermons as The Q &A and then our little roundtable on.

Go back down for a second. Okay, look at my picture. Why do I look like I'm holding Simba up over the.

You're I like it though, it's good stuff you're calling us you're calling us to the word you're drawing a C and I like that Simba. But yeah, there you go two places that you can definitely go and find.

All the messages from the labors conference. Um, and let me say this again. The comment line is open. Please let us know one of the things that we're going to be looking for During this podcast and you can also leave a message you can send a message suggestions from you about biblical text books of the Bible Theological topics that you would like for us to discuss over the next weeks months or this year this year.

We would love to hear from you and have you join the conversation. So what what would you like to hear? From the truth and love podcast from myself and Dan. The the sermons tell me your thoughts on the sermons.

They were good. I liked all of them, I.

Don't know. I don't know what else you can say. Well Let me get an overview for people who don't know that the conference topic this year was the Holy Spirit. So we went over a different, you know aspects of the Holy Spirit, you know.

Reminding ourselves that the Holy Spirit is a person of the Trinity Evangelism salvation. The church, you know different works and unity and Bible understanding the Bible. He said how does the Holy Spirit function in the life of the church?

And what how can we relate to him? And it was I Don't know my brain works funky. I don't necessarily remember Almost anything Anyone said but what I do remember. Is the overall thrust of the conference?

That that Convicted me that I need to rely upon the person and work of the Holy Spirit. Actively because it's easy to rely upon the person work of the Holy Spirit passively. Here's what I mean by that by saying, you know, I know that God's working all things out for my good.

I know that he's He's doing this that or the other thing. I know that he's working in my sanctification and I know that he's gifted me for this or that but but to actually rely upon his power for. For what it is that you need to do in the Christian life, you know to pray constantly God send your spirit so I can be free from this sin that I can be freed from temptation that I can Give a good gospel witness at this point in in in the week that I can No preach a good message this Sunday, or I can listen to a message well this Sunday to give me the the the focus to be able to pray for my church and the people around me and and just to actively Trust in the power of the Holy Spirit instead of just remembering that he's there and then kind of just going on about your business like he's not.

To actively trust in the Lord and that was really the thrust of each person's message. You know trust in the Lord actively by remembering him trust in the Lord. Actively by relying upon the power of the Holy Spirit for evangelism and not your own giftings, you know.

Even though your own giftings are good. Because they come from the Lord, you know. Actively rely on the power of the Holy Spirit and that that's really what I took away from the conference as a whole.

You know each of the sermons. Yes, I don't know. It's a good thing to take away. I think.

Well, and my goal is to go back and listen to each one of them again. Yeah, absolutely. I really want to go back and listen to each one and and On my own so that I can digest them better. I can listen to them better.

Right where I'm not trying to concentrate on other things and I really want to get all the details because they were so good and I I was able to understand from the very first sermon that Dan I feel like I feel like what we had at the conference was a legit actual demonstration from the Holy Spirit of what a Healing service Directed by the Holy Spirit looks like.

Not not a fake or simulated Healing service that that you may see or that you may have heard of but a legit directed healing service By the Holy Spirit and and that started with the first sermon for me because what did we have we had the the preach word and We we had it Handled correctly, we had it handled rightly and we submitted to that knowledge and Repented where there was conviction and We just let the Holy Spirit do his work.

We didn't try to manipulate him. We didn't try to Invite him, you know to come and and do a work we were obedient to him. We we preached his word and We exalted Christ and Just yielded to him to do to do his work that's where the the refreshment come from that that healing spiritual.

Emotion in the ordinary means of grace. Yes.

Yes, exactly. Um. Yeah, and we you know, we we didn't have the Lord's Supper baptism. But which we shouldn't have we were not a church. We weren't having a church service but but we were pre we were praying we were preaching the word and we were Singing beautiful songs.

Thank you to Eden Chapel who let us in some beautiful music. Maybe Dan one of these days we will incorporate some Salter in there. Which I would I would absolutely love to. I would appreciate that a lot but it was it was a beautiful thing to to just Step back and let the Holy Spirit do what he wanted to do.

Mm-hmm.

So I wouldn't I wouldn't worry. What did the. What did you take away from the conference? What was your main overall? Take away from the conference.

That that was pretty pretty much a summary of of what I What I come away with. I come away with that refreshing. I like I said from the very first sermon I was coming away from Healing I felt like from the Holy Spirit because I was going into the conference with Which which is I'm I'm not the only one who?

Suffers and and deals with with these things, but I was going into the conference with some anxiety with some You know negative negative feelings negative thoughts. But just to hear his word and and let the Holy Spirit use his word to convict me and To bring healing to me.

That That was a huge takeaway in the conference it it wasn't about any Any one person it wasn't about any Christian celebrity it wasn't about us being of complete like-mindedness like what we call an echo chamber where we're we can just aim in one another all weekend long and Build each other up and and build up our Our common theology it wasn't about that.

It was about Hearing the word and letting the Holy Spirit have his way and what he wanted to do in our hearts and. And I believe that's what happened. And that was the takeaway for me from the conference and.

And again, I can't say enough about ref Ramada Baptist Church. They were so encouraging and and they did so many. They had they had already been preparing for us weeks weeks months in advance. They had been praying for us.

They've been preparing the church for us. They they set up In their in their fellowship area. You know snacks and coffee not just for the speakers. But for the attendees and so they they did so many wonderful things to make the conference look success and we we praise the Lord for ref Ramada Baptist Church and pastor Claude and in April and and all the guys there and and Jeremy who who ran the sound just so thankful for those guys and want to mention Imago Dei ministry who was there and they they are.

They are faithfully fighting the cause against abortion and Abolition and we had a diaper drop there and they received. I know that they they definitely had at least one mother in mind that that was going to receive those diapers and receive help because she had she had chosen the life for her child and.

And so we what's up? Haps. How you doing, brother? We know specifically that they had in mind at least one mother but we were glad and we were happy that we could do that diaper drive for Imago Dei and.

And help out that ministry help out mothers who who choose life who were in need thankful to brother Michael Schultz who last-minute voluntarily stepped in to to fill in for one of our brothers that couldn't come and He spoke on the unity of the Spirit which was another one that I look forward to going back and listening to.

So many good things have been said about his sermon and and a spirit empowered unity that we should look for and have. Very thankful for him and the work that he's doing at his church the work that he's doing at Forge Theological Seminary, which I am interested in looking into.

You can find you can find the seminary online for the theological seminary, it's just $60 a month. And I think you have 20 21 weeks to finish a course. But it's just $60 a month. It's not 15 $20 ,000 a semester.

So they are seeking to give quality theological education at an affordable price and so I appreciate the brothers there and what they're doing and seriously considering going myself and I look forward to that.

Any other any other things you want to say about the conference.

I'm looking forward to next year. I am to be good, I.

Really want to be diligent and do well at planning to make sure we meet all those goals of things that we we enjoyed this year and Make it special for everyone next year. We're going to come back to Newton next year for the conference.

We don't know what all the the future holds for us and what the Lord has in store for us but but we're going to come back to Newton next year and Here's the little video promo that I put together for next year's conference.

To. I don't think I need to take our little picture down but check out this video for next year's conference. Cling to the cross then.

Put both arms around it hold to the crucified and Never let him go. Come afresh to the cross at this moment and rest there now and forever. Then with the power of God resting upon you go forth and.

Preach the cross. I I am so looking forward to What the Lord has in store for us concerning next year's conference with that theme because it just reminds me of the scripture that says the Wisdom of the world is foolishness or the wisdom of the Lord is foolishness to men.

The preaching of the cross is foolishness to men and and those concepts Take up that cross who who wants to live their life dying to their own desires and their need or or wants. Who in their flesh wants to live that way and then victory and death?

Those things sound so ox oxymoronic. That they do not go together from a worldly perspective. But in Christianity the seat the seed must die. So that there can be life and so the diving into these concepts and Picking up our cross daily following Christ and finding victory in death.

I Like you said, I'm looking forward to what the Lord has in store for that. Good stuff. Yeah. Yeah, so we're still looking for you guys. Miss Becky self-commented. I'm thankful that uh, her my wife got connected and brother hats.

What's up, bro? Good to see you on here. We want to hear from you about suggestions about what you want us to talk about dive into theologically. Topics that you'd like to us to address in the next coming weeks months in this year 2024.

Dan and I really want to dive into. I I don't know. I Don't know who has the most desire to dive into this probably me. I'm not sure but We'll see. What is it? Well the the subject you and I were talking about before we went on air covenant covenant theology.

Sure, and we've talked about this before on the podcast. What does it mean to be reformed? Part of being reformed is holding to covenant theology and so as. As the screen says one of us is a Baptist and one of us is a Presbyterian and and we both claim Covenantal theology, but what does that mean from a Baptist perspective?

What does that mean from a Presbyterian perspective? But ultimately, I mean, I want to know those things but ultimately. What I want to know is Is what we have in common. Where we find common ground and and looking at those small details of where we find common ground there's something within me that that really feels like.

Getting down to those small details of things that we have in common can really help us Get over those hills of differences. I know Dan and I both as Eschatologically, we're coming from a post-mill perspective.

So we we believe that the Lord is. The the kingdom is is here Christ is reigning and he is doing a work. He's going to continue to do his work and And and fill fill the earth with with his kingdom. I don't know how long he is going to take to do that, but It's going it going to go in a true way to the second coming all the way to the second coming.

And that trajectory is is going to be in his favor. Mm-hmm. And so and I say that to say at some point. These things are going to be figured out. Why not start talking about them? I mean we may have to you know, at some point we're going to get rid of Presbyterian Baptist Other denominational names that that's eventually going to happen because Christ is going to help us in our theological understanding and and bring true unity in theology and and right now we're just mere humans mere mortals.

Trying to figure this out and and we want to do that with humility. Being led by the Spirit into into all truth. So it sounds like you want to talk a little bit about Catholicity then sure the Universal Church.

Mm-hmm Yeah, let's city some proper ecumenism. Now I like a good cucumber salad. I. That's what I heard you say you come I.

Said proper ecumenism. Find your terms. We gotta leave some something on some meat on the bone. So people will come back. Well, no, it's how am I working together? Yeah brothers joining to live as one in peace and unity.

But without we want to make this clear, too. We don't want to compromise on the the found is foundational issues the core foundational issues of Scripture the the things that we do not compromise on we do not waver on and we will not waver on.

We we all and and that's what binds us. That's what holds us together. Is is those core fundamental truths of God's Word? Yep. Yeah Yeah. We have to offer grace, I mean we have to remember the gospel.

We're we're not all on the same Theological level. We're not all on the same Theosis level. Joshua okay. Do you go by Josh or Joshua? Josh we met Josh at reformata Baptist Church. It was pleasure meeting you and and everybody there at reformata.

Let us know if you go about Josh or Joshua brother, and and I apologize that we didn't get to have more conversations with you guys. Hopefully we can do that in the future either is fine. I would like to hear the conversation on two CVS.

Yeah, she wants to know where you stand on. Pictures or idols or icons of the Godhead. Oh.

Second amendment violation. Second commandment violation. Sometimes I get confused with these Abbreviations gotcha see to be to see be second commandment violations. Where do I where do I stand on that?

Where do you stand on violating the Decalogue Rob?

We have a whole episode on it we can have a whole whole episode on that. I mean The the first thing that I think about when it comes to that issue I think about history and I think about the the reaction of our forefathers our Protestant forefathers who who Were tired of the idolatry.

And so they would they would go into their their churches and they would they ripped out All the all the pictures and and took everything that was idolatrous that they they venerated. They sometimes worship any anything that they would deem to be a second commandment violation.

They they pulled all that stuff out and And put it put it to the fire so they that they were not guilty of breaking the second amendment. So I admire I admire that I admire that a lot.

Well, Rob's thinking this one over. Yeah, I One thing that I'd really like to to go over and it would take us until the next laborers conference and we're to do it Would be the attributes of God not just attributes but his.

The the being and attributes of God. Because I'll be honest with you. I'm most the way through this a second volume of a systematic theology right now and The the most Edifying and Eye-opening theology that I've read in a long time is where I was pressed into the scriptures to learn about who God is and what he's Like and what that means to us and it's just been incredible.

I think that'd be beneficial for for all of us to kind of go through, you know. What does it mean for God to be infinite? You know, what does that mean? You know, how many people have fought against that?

You know, why do they say that God's not infinite, you know, why are they wrong. Because they they are. And then you know, what does that mean for us in our day-to-day lives like it's incredible just to look at God in a In a way like that and to to kind of understand because I'll be honest with you.

Once you get through with the attributes of God Your whole theology is Shifted it's an understanding who your God is and it's it's it's shifted for the better.

Right. I've always found it then that any anytime. I'm in a small group study I'm in a service where I'm I'm listening to a sermon Anything like that where it doesn't it doesn't even have to be that man is being decreased but Christ is being exalted.

I'm learning about his attributes. I find that So fulfilling and and I'm my cup. It's is filled overfilled with joy. Mm-hmm. And to me that's. That's a supernatural event that happens that when when Christ is being talked about is his attributes and me.

Learning more about him and about my Savior and my God the Holy Spirit is Working that joy in my heart. Yeah.

The Holy Spirit's working the the Word of the Lord into your heart as joy. It's it's a try-in event. It's.

Incredible. Good. It's good good stuff. Yeah, I'm I'm looking up the I'm looking at the second commandment where there's my inner linear. Yeah, you don't have that one memorize to music. Some not to music.

No, we gotta get you a Jim Scott Oryx Shorter catechism. Set to music it's the Baptist version. So it's right up your alley. That'll be good. Yeah I Was just looking at the inner linear on on blue letter Bible seeing what it says about the passage and the the word graven I Mean if you if you look at the text Becky's got me on this.

So so that you do not act correctly and make a graven image for yourself in the form of any figure or likeness. Let's see. That is. What translation is that? There's a new American standard. Um I'm in Deuteronomy.

Where's the passage that that tells us didn't make for yourself any graven image? Anything in the likeness of heaven on earth or under the sea and and to me. But yeah, I thought you're asking a question.

It's an exodus 24. It's also in Deuteronomy. Exodus. Okay to me. What I'm saying in the text is that we're not to make a graven image for the purpose of worship and.

Here's where the the disagreement comes in between believers. That's one understanding. The second another understanding is that it's a two-part commandment. Number one don't make it. Number two don't use it in worship.

So you shall not make Unto thee any graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above or is earth beneath or is in the water on the earth. And then it says why Should not bow down to them or serve them for I the Lord your God I'm a jealous God.

So you shall not make them shall not bow down to them. Why. Because I'm a jealous God. So don't don't contemplate. And another don't contemplate an image in your head and don't don't you dare bow down and worship it either?

Right.

Well, it doesn't just it doesn't specify. An image or graven image of Yahweh or or Jesus the you know, the Messiah. It doesn't even say don't make a graven image of a false. God. It says don't make a graven image of anything in heaven earth or under the sea.

And so if you if you took that two-part understanding like you're talking about do not make any graven image then you you're. You're taking out.

Art. Well of all time it would you would accept it's it's in the context of worship. But it's the second commandment. So it don't make anything. In the heaven above or earth beneath or in the water under the earth other thing that you would worship.

No, and that'd be being God proper or the golden calf or Zeus or whatever. No, don't don't make it. Don't worship it. Don't use it in worship. Oh. Which would be the the traditional reformed understanding of it, yeah.

Just don't don't don't make it at all and don't use it in worship now that you have a lot of folks Lutheran tradition Anglicans the Orthodox Catholics. That as you. There's there's certain there's a council I forget the name of it off the top of my head.

What actually defended the use of icons? We're saying if you didn't use them you were in sin. Hmm. I think that was wrong. So they they call us iconoclasts that don't want any any versions or any pictures.

Of any kind of the Lord. Yeah, so it depends, you know, how far do you take that and there's a picture of a dove. Violation of the second commandment. No, no, we're burnt or burning bush or lots of different.

Lots of different things lots of different places you go be a good episode.

Well, I guess we didn't have anybody whose conscience was bothering them at our conference because. We had a video that had a dove in it, so some of us just ignored it.

Along with your your evil hymn singing. No, we we we we we enjoyed that although who knows what's gonna happen in in the RPC and a moving moving forward I really don't know that there's a Some stuff coming up at Synod it may change all that we really don't know.

Yeah, see if you know where they come down what their resolutions are how they discuss it and everything. Well, we'll see. I Really don't know but that'd be something interesting to talk about and you know, July after we have our Synod.