September 13, 2016 Show with Dr. Ray Damadian, Inventor of the MRI on his book “Gifted Mind”

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This is Chris Arns and your host of iron sharpens iron.

Wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this 13th day of September

2016 and I'm delighted and honored to have a world -renowned

Inventor on this program today a man who is responsible for the saving

of countless lives due to the early detection of cancer and other

Very serious and terminal illnesses.

His name is. Dr. Ray Damadian and he is the inventor of the.

MRI.

We're going to be discussing a book that is about him a biography about him called gifted mind

Which he cooperated with that was written by Jeff Kinley and dr.

Damadian Helped Jeff in the writing of this biography.

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Dr. Raymond Damadian.

Yeah, it's great to have you on the program dr. Damadian and I think you and I have some

mutual friends if I'm not mistaken, I think that you used to be a friend of My very dear

friend Marty from who went home to be with the Lord not long ago Beth Yeshua

ministries on Long Island.

I can remember I can remember being at a Passover Celebration that his Messianic

congregation had and he was waiting for you your arrival.

It was so crowded that day that I never had a chance to meet you face -to -face, but I'm glad that we are finally

Speaking on this program before we even get into the MRI

itself, which stands for magnetic resonance imaging and Your work

in that area.

I'd like to know something about your own personal background growing up as a child.

What kind of religious atmosphere if any you were raised in and when you got?

The idea in your head that you wanted to get involved in the scientific realm.

Just like I did.

Mm

-hmm.

And.

So you were involved in you know, the medical field and.

When did this idea come to mind?

That another invention was necessary other than an x -ray.

Other than a CAT scan or whatever was available prior to the MRI.

How did this this vision come to your mind?

For the the creation of this invention this remarkable.

With a

magnifier

you'll

see

those

pixels

65 ,000 of those

picture elements called pixels.

Now the critical thing in the image is you have to be

able to Create contrast between one

pixel and

its ability to see

detail.

The maximum contrast you could get between a tour

pixel and a normal pixel was 4

And that was really the problem that when you pass an x -ray through somebody's

body.

You really couldn't see detail in the critical organs of the body.

It just everybody was.

Mm -hmm, and you know.

And something I think I should even backtrack a little bit farther.

Because I Glossed over something of that's very important in your own life story.

That brought you into the medical field to begin with.

When you were a young boy, you watched your grandmother died painfully from breast cancer.

Did you not?

So that's basically what was the catalyst behind you even wanting to be come a doctor when you

grew up as they say and.

And.

When you came about with this idea for the MRI the

magnetic resonance imaging machine.

What was available other than a standard x -ray machine.

Was a CAT scan available or what were the other things that were available in the?

Wow

now.

Obviously, there is more than just medical knowledge That

would be required to come up with an invention like this.

You need all kinds of Knowledge, don't you to to come up with an actual invention as

complicated as the MRI?

But he was gonna have

to come

over 23

years chemistry.

It was a physician who was very sensitive to the reality that

he might make a diagnosis patient had a cancer

that never nobody ever knew was there and.

It's those experiences that created the urgent need at least in your soul that

you'd like to now.

Obviously, you didn't just Build a prototype in your garage with old washing machine

parts and all that.

I mean, how did you actually?

Get to.

I think there's another piece to it to at one point like

all of us have from time to time.

Some said well,

you

know could so likely

but and so did

you eventually when you?

Started to come up with these concepts way back in 1969.

Did you?

Sit down with.

Some other person like a machinist or somebody.

That was capable of helping you bring this idea into a blueprint of some kind.

I mean, how did this develop into an actual physical prototype?

Hmm.

Wow.

Hmm just like that

my computer system did before you came.

At the

anatomy and

the chemistry of the

living cell There were certain atoms on the inside of the cell that

differed in concentration.

From the atoms immediately outside the cell and I'll be specific

Was a hundred and forty millimoles per liter inside the cell and outside the cell it was only four millimoles.

Now that

was

chemically referred to

it as an ion per liter of this one plus potassium charge inside the cell

Outside the cell so Hodgkin actually recognized.

Hey of these charge of

voltage those concentrations of 140 and Four on

the outside and they put it into the well -known electrochemical equation for batteries called the Nernst equation

and lo and behold the voltage they Calculated from those numbers was the same voltage that you got when

you stuck an electrode directly into the cell.

Wow, so not so now arising

from the asymmetry of the high Concentration of

these potassium of these one plus charge potassium science inside the cell Versus the low

concentration on the outside and that was what was

Constellation if you looked a little bit more carefully

on that.

If you looked at another atom that carried a one plus charge namely the sodium

atom In terms of its distribution you had the exact reverse.

You had a hundred and forty one plus sodiums outside the cell and you had four one plus

sodiums inside the cell.

Question was well, wait a minute.

How does the cell?

Choose potassium and exclude sodium because it must do that in

order to generate that voltage and.

Yes, and there are people who?

Reject the existence of God who reject intelligent design of the

universe who think that something like that just Evolved by

happenstance.

University

of st.

Louis

and I

was in the

15 molecule.

So that and

when I arrived

there I was being interviewed for my my professor

that was Professor

of physics

the research you want to do

when you come here today.

I said, well, you know, dr Solomon I this this pump has this Phenomenal responsibility to

general electricity to generate electricity for the whole body.

I Said we saw

you came to the right lab the median Go

about it

was to grow up

experimental bacteria.

We'll grow up a big flask of E. Coli bacteria.

They'll have the high don't do the same thing.

They generate the same voltage they'll have a high potassium inside and low potassium on the outside and

Now is you can make a mutant?

Fractionating the proteins

of the two

eat on the objective.

Got to be a contaminant and I said, well, wait a minute.

Dr. Solomon.

I said This is such a vital structure

to generating life itself generate electricity that How do I know if I

ever try to make a mutant?

That the mutant can't live without it and then I'll never be able to find

and his answer was that's your problem.

A.

Amazement and in about two or three months could be

different.

I think

Air

Force

my professor was Colonel Lou bitter and he was in

charge of the division that I was in and When I

got there, he said well, maybe he said What kind of work have you done before?

What what work were you doing at Harvard?

And I said, well What I

did at Harvard was I isolate a mutant that was unable to accumulate potassium and my

ultimate goal was to

That should be the sodium and he said oh, that's very

interesting debate.

Why don't you continue that work while you're here at the School of Aerospace Medicine and I only ask

you one thing To I'm the time in your experience

Add the rocket fuel hydrazine, which we are contracted to research

added to your test tubes and We can also spend see what the hydrazine effect is and

then what I would encourage you dr The patient to do is continue your research to

isolate that sodium pump.

That was great.

So I went ahead and did that and I spent the next two years Fractionating proteins

trying to find this protein that would be the sodium pump.

I failed then I just could not find a protein that was distinctly different that as

the pump the pump protein.

After that, I finished at the Air Force.

I I was at the State

University But downstate

Medical Center in Brooklyn.

And so I became a young professor there and I brought with me the my mutant E .coli

bacteria and the parent strain E .coli bacteria and I continued my

fractionation efforts in Fractionating proteins to try to find the pump the

protein that was different and I continued that for about six months and I still wouldn't

get anywhere and I wasn't finding it.

So one day I suddenly said to myself, wait a minute the maiden.

You know what?

You should do before you look at

this you you should look in

detail at the evidence

that like

Literature I could find to find out the strength of the evidence

that this pump began my research I was

astounded that the first thing I ran into

is

500 page

exist.

Wow, there was

a lot of detailed chemistry, etc.

So I said Well, wait a minute.

So inspired evidence

is I began to

Did the cell

do that because that was a

definite reality

exclude

the living

cell.

Negative charge hitting on

the inside is

always

give you a

copper function

at this

click fabric.

So the cell

molecular piece that's called a carboxyl that has a negative charge C double -o.

We're loaded with as part of

the fiery negative charge or acted themselves of

the negative charges those

molecules answer.

In fact, let's get that question answered after our commercial break.

We have to go to our first commercial break.

Why potassium and not sodium.

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Hello, dr. Damadian.

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Welcome back.

Dr. Damadian.

Are you there?

Okay, great, well.

We got disconnected somehow and I'm not sure how but anyway before the break you had a

Complicated issue that you couldn't understand it and involved potassium.

I believe it if you could just continue where you left off there.

Okay, Chris, well I was talking about how

living

cell

right

my

scientific

research

when

I

fractionated

the proteins I should be able to

find the protein that was Dissimilar between the two and that should be my pump and I worked on it for

three years looking for that pump.

I couldn't find a pump and I went to the library to find out where was the evidence to support that pump?

And the first thing I ran into was a book by Gilbert named Lane a Physical theory of the living

state that was 500 pages that argued that there was no pump and The evidence

that he was providing was very convincing.

It was a massive amount of evidence.

I then started looking myself for an alternative explanation and I I Jumped to

the conclusion that well the way the potassium could be Building up it could be sticking to the

negative ions of a cell that were part of the structural fabric of a cell itself.

But now I had to answer the same question why potassium and not

sodium and I said by reading I ran across

Doing it without the

batically

what that is

is you

take

a glass Four

-feet -tall

take your solution of 10 Molecules and you pour it on the top of

percolates through this column through these beads.

And now it comes out one drop at a time on The on the on the other end that use you move your

test tubes one for the next Collecting these drops sequentially and now what you've done is you have

successfully Separated one molecule from the other so you now know what your individual molecules are.

Well.

They are these

beads

exclude

so the

chemists

account

for the

fact

that these beads

are Able to selectively accumulate the potassium ion and exclude the sodium ion.

Because that that could in principle be the answer to my question how the living cell does that and the

answer was These two are

not run around in life naked but

each

one of

these

graded

so

there's

a

reason

the amount of surf

so if you

if you Compute the charge per unit surface area

The charge per unit surface area of sodium is going to be much higher.

Because it's got a much smaller surface

Surface much more than the charge per

unit surface area on the potassium ion.

The net result then is that sodium ion is going

to accumulate more water molecules.

Because of that

the

larger

is this

water

molecule.

You visualize an oxygen in the center and two hydrogens attack.

But those two hydrogens are not attached to it on a single straight line.

They are attached with a What we call a tetrahedral angle

between them so that?

One end of this water molecule is a naked height is a naked oxygen.

And the other end of this water molecule is two hydrogen atoms separate separated by

40 degrees.

Now the result of that is that that water molecule then has a polarity.

The oxygen side of the water molecule is negative relative to the hydrogen side

of the water molecule and as a result the

calcium and

sodium.

And now since the amount of charge per square Surface area of the sodium was larger

than the amount of charge per surface area of the potassium Water more water molecules.

Stick I'm on with the

net result that the fully hydrated sodium

on hydrated and the ion exchange

chemist said that's range

beads of sodium because

sodium fully hydrated takes up more space and Dispatch and

I said look at that.

They're accumulating potassium selectively without a pump and they're doing it just because of the

Difference in the charge density sodium potassium the same thing operates in my living cell.

I don't need a pump to do that as long as the the environment on the

inside of the living cell in the amount of access and.

So that's a good answer for how the cell is selectively accumulating potassium.

And therefore that's a good answer as to how the cell is general.

This is all incredible, and it's obviously.

Going way over the heads of those who have no scientific or medical background.

But what it is definitely giving a clear picture of is that there is no

way that human life could have been Accidentally

evolved somehow.

This has to this this requires an intelligent designer.

A.

Right.

And.

So, how did this discovery that you've made did.

By the way, did you ever let the the other scientists whose Writings were a

catalyst behind you doing further research who came up with the idea that the pump was fiction.

Did you ever let him know about your discoveries?

I then started publishing papers because I couldn't and I thought of

publish

electricity and the way it's

doing that.

The

positively

charged has stick it to

the negative charges and it's potassium and not sodium.

Because

who

was

a

Dominic's of a read your paper.

What do you think it cope?

He says?

Well, listen, how'd you like to prove your idea to me?

I said What are you talking about?

Cope?

Okay, you mean I have an idea how you could prove it.

What what what are you talking about?

Oh, so what we could use this new technology called NMR nuclear magnetic

resonance.

And.

What what we do then?

You know, I I've been using it recently in my labs in

the biology called nuclear magnetic resonance you're

able to in the test

to Adam you want to look at you just Collect a radio signal from that atom

and that radio signal you get from that atom is highly specific.

About the chemistry of what that atom is up to.

So if you're right the median we should

be able

to take

this phenomenon where

you get a radio signal from the atom and.

It says for nuclear magnetic

resonance community they wanted to get rid of the end the

nuclear because it it sounded like it was radioactive which it was not and.

Then the radiologists when we introduced to the medical community wanted to add the

odds and imaging.

Hmm.

We may be able to prove your idea that

potassium is accumulating inside the cell By sticking to the opposite charges

of the negatives atoms

is really like you think Sticking accumulating by sticking to the counter

negative charges on the inside of the cell when

I

that signal should be different if you

write the median because

Sticking to the negative charge and that should give a different signal than if it's in free solution and

not attached.

So all we have to do to made it is to look at the sample of the cells.

Get the signal and see if the decay time of that signal is different from the

decay time of potassium chloride for example in

livings great Coby said I look and What

I suggest the maiden is I?

I've been working with the company that sold our naval department

the nuclear magnetic resonance Machine I have we're not going to be able to do the experiments that I'm

talking about.

But I've spoken to the president of the company as to whether or not we can come there

And use his apparatus to look at this decay

time that I want to look at.

I'm sorry.

I called let's go ahead.

About a week later.

I get a phone call from Cope.

It says a debate.

I got a problem.

I Said well, what's the problem for him, and I said I thought there was no problem.

Yeah, well I'm worried about it.

It says I'm not so sure we're going to be able to do it.

So what's your problem Coe?

He said well look the bed, and I looked into The magnetic moment of the potassium out of

how much magnetism the potassium Adam has because the amount of

magnetism that one of these

found out that the magnetic moment

amount

of Potassium inside the living cell that would compensate for that and still give

me a signal looked into the Concentration of potassium on the inside of

cell.

It wasn't all that great.

So I'm afraid that we're not going to be able to get a signal.

I

know of a bacteria

that lives in the Dead Sea.

That has 20 times the normal potassium in it.

And that should overcome your concern about an insufficient amount of potassium to

give us generate a signal for.

Well, maybe you know where you can get your hands on that bacteria.

I said well I

are sure so I tracked down a literature and I found a source and I

called area from the Dead Sea.

That's it.

This is the only.

The Dead Sea is the only place that this bacteria is found.

I don't know if it's the only place but it's famous for the Dead Sea that this is all.

Remarkable, I think God has a sense of humor here.

When I.

Is.

Wow a lot more discoveries coming out of the Dead Sea than we thought.

Bacteria in his chemistry laboratory said sure so I went there with my with

my.

Now

my

brought them over to

who was

that?

Kensington.

And I gave them to dr. Cope and he put him in the magnet and he instantly

and

so I gave and he puts

this

antenna

around

it

and he puts it in the magnet at NMR Specialties Corporation and

Immediately gets the signal and he measures the amount of potassium it attests to.

I Said cope.

I can't believe what you just did.

So what do you talk about today?

I said let cope.

I said I I I can't get over what you just said.

I've been measuring potassium now for years By what can't be

three four bacteria

and you don't do anything to it.

You just put an antenna around the test tube and you get us you get a radio signal

from that potassium Adam and you measure its chemistry and you do it in a matter of seconds.

I Can't believe you did that cope.

I Said well, what are you talking about?

I said, well, you know, I just told you what I'm talking.

I.

Said you did that chemistry by this top technology call NMR

entirely wirelessly.

Entirely without invading the sample.

And with a wireless antenna.

I said cope you realize that if we could ever do the same thing with an antenna wrapped around the

human body.

We'd be able to get the chemistry of every tissue in the body.

Completely non -invasively.

We would spark an unprecedented Revolution in medicine.

Wow.

In fact, we have to stop right there.

We're gonna go to another commercial break I'm sorry but we have to do.

We have to have these commercial breaks because that's the only way we can remain on the air and But that's a

great place to pick up where we left off.

That's a pretty fascinating moment in history there and if anybody would like to join us

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So we will get to you as soon as we can, but we want dr. DiMedia and obviously to

Get us further on in the story of this remarkable life -saving invention the MRI

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This is Chris Ornson.

If you just tuned us in our guest today for the full two hours is dr Raymond Damadian.

He is the inventor of the MRI an invention that has no doubt saved countless lives

due to early detection of tumors and terminal illnesses where

the proper treatment and surgery could be done in time and We are delighted to have him as

our guest for the very first time.

Our email address is Chris Ornson at gmail .com.

Chris Ornson at gmail .com.

And we thank those of you who are already Sent in your comments and questions who are patiently waiting but dr. Damadian

before the break you.

You were at a really remarkable moment in history, and it seemed almost Humorous

that this individual the scientists dr Cope that you were working with seemed to be totally unaware of the

revolutionary thing that just occurred.

The thing that go

through the rest

of the story you're gonna

see is a thing took place and

what I was originally talking.

Hasn't scientific breakthrough and discovery always happened in the midst of other scientists laughing and

mocking and discrediting the person who is coming up with the discovery of.

The phenomenal scientific discoveries that gave us.

Hmm.

Amen.

And.

Amen and so this dr. Cope by the way, this isn't last name.

CO PE.

Yes.

That's interesting because just before the program I was calling an old friend of mine.

He used to be a member of the same church where I was a member back in the 80s and early 90s

Calvary Baptist Church of Amityville.

Dr. Kevin Cope Who I haven't spoken with in years and in over a decade.

I called him and left a message on his voicemail to Contact me because I wanted him to

listen to this interview and I had no idea that the scientist who was involved in this Breakthrough with you is also named

Cope.

This is.

Yeah, maybe they are.

Oh.

Yeah, where he he had the antenna on the test tube and he seemed to be totally oblivious that

this was like remarkable.

And they did.

Signal that would tell us that cancer is there.

I hope that there's a chance of that.

Cassium content of cancer cells is distinctly abnormal from.

He

said.

I don't think you're gonna be able to get enough of a

single look at the but

I got an idea to see that.

Has an

abnormal potassium.

It also has to have an abnormal.

What?

Paul Yaiko YAG.

KO company

had maybe 50

employees

or 100

employees where

I was out

and so on.

Well, if you want to do with the mate, you gotta do it on your own, right?

They say he points me to a shake about this machine.

So I said, all right, I'm gonna have to learn how to run this machine.

So I've got a very complicated.

Those they're very complicated electronic devices and there was the machine stood

about three feet deep and about four feet wide.

And that machine was attached to a magnet and the magnet had a Opening in it

that was and you took your test tube and you put it inside this antenna and you put it inside

this magnet.

And the antenna was an MR apparatus electronic apparatus I'm describing

from you and when you got a signal you looked at it on a telescope and you you saw this

Sine wave that decayed over time.

That's called the NMR sickness thing work.

So I took ordinary solutions.

Of.

Potassium chloride sodium chloride water.

And I operated the apparatus to get a

signal from this apparatus that I had never used before.

And it took me a couple where I think was about a week of Continually working on this apparatus to like to get my own

signal because I didn't have cope and it was about a week.

And

and

I'll

look at the

signals to

keep different from the decay time

I'll just a

fancy name

for is the relaxation time.

And then I put the cancer tissue In a test tube from the rat into

the and I measured the decay time into my amazement.

So I did

it done a lot

more

carefully

and I grew up.

I

measured the NMR radio signal from the cancer tissue of

the measured 835 milliseconds

and when I measured the decay time of the normal liver.

It measured for and I

and I got

coma.

I

measure

I

had

to

measure

the

decay time

of all the healthy vital organ of

vital organs because.

Without knowing what the normal was I would have no way of judging what the abnormal I would know where you have judging.

What

was a dramatic difference amongst

the

normal a

time which

is like muscle kidney liver live in

between under milliseconds.

Now that turned out to be Extremely potent and I was completely unexpected.

And the reason it turned out to be completely potent was as I told you when we make

these images.

The image is kind of

those pics from brightness.

Then your image all the 65 000 pixels gonna have same brightness.

Your image is gonna

be a blank in these decay time.

It might

mean

you see detail.

Wow.

So, how did this actually come to fruition with the actual physical MRI invention that

you came up with.

Obviously you needed a prototype to begin with.

Oh, yeah, well right now i'm still on test tubes

Medical center

and i'm continuing my research there.

And I I was able to get a grant to do my research.

Because I had published now in science.

That

and

that

you'd

have a brain.

I went back to the university and I was continuing

my research.

Just on the test

tubes.

I hadn't

and he

You're turning it down at the same time he's spending a billion dollars a year in cancer research.

The dude

says well, we'll

we'll

time that I said.

Or when I thought I was out of money. I said well I'm not going to be able to do my research.

I'll go ahead and try to build this magnet

50 -inch magnet.

Uh to try to make it

this larry

minkoff and michael goldsmith and we're we're now working together on this.

It becomes self -evident very

quickly that I

can't

going to

use creates a magnetic field that

runs along the axis.

That now

i'm going

to realize that

I wasn't going

to be

able to get it.

I needed.

The copper wire would burn out of electricity.

I know what I

can do.

I can use

super

cooled

it to 49

degrees

liquid

helium

that I

got a cryo Generator,

so I proceeded then with the designs to try to build this giant.

So I could use

the

niobium

titanium by

the wire

that I

needed 150 titanium

wire.

That's what my calculator but when I looked into the price of the wire, it

was a dollar a foot.

That meant I was going to have to come up with 150 thousand dollars.

In fact, this is where we're going to take our final break.

And when we return from the break.

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And if you just tuned us in our guest today for the entire two hour Time with

about 24 minutes to go now.

Has been and will be dr Ray damadian the inventor of the mri which has

been used to save countless lives and we Are going through his

fascinating testimony.

And the journey of his discovery and invention of this remarkable.

Uh.

This history -making Invention the mri and before we return to

that discussion. I just have a couple of very brief announcements announcements.

Some of you may be aware and some of you may not be aware.

That nabil qureshi who is a christian apologist.

He's a muslim convert to christianity.

Who is a very dear friend of david wood?

A close friend of mine who has been on this program?

Innumerable times.

David wood is also a christian apologist who specializes specializes in islamic studies.

And has debated muslims all over the world.

He led nabil qureshi to christ.

In their college years and nabil became an apologist as well.

And he is a published author works for ravi, zacharias ministries.

Well, sadly nabil qureshi has been diagnosed with late stage

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And before I go directly to the discussion with dr. Damadian, I just wanted to read a couple

of brief testimonies of listeners.

Uh, we have Aaron in Indianapolis, Indiana who says just a testimony of great of

deep gratitude to men of god such as dr. Damadian.

This time last year a mammography and an mri helped detect the most minuscule of

cells.

That were precancerous a quick outpatient surgery and a little radiation later and

i'm as good as new.

It's been a year of praise and gratitude to a merciful loving god whose provisions Are for

our good and his glory.

Well, thank you very much.

Aaron.

And we also have tyler in mastic beach, long island, new york.

Who writes when I was 12 years old?

I was in an almost fatal accident with an 18 wheeler semi truck.

I remember coming Out with some neck pain an mri was used to show that I had two dislocated

discs in my vertebrae.

To be able to know the issue on hand what was caused effective treatment to be applied

quickly.

Thank you Dr. Damadian and thank god and god bless you.

And finally we have an anonymous listener.

In.

Carlisle, pennsylvania.

Who says that an mri saved her life through the early detection of cancerous

cells that were Successfully treated.

I am now cancer free and I ask your forgiveness for remaining anonymous, but I do

not want to identify myself as a cancer patient any longer since I am

cancer free and Do not want that to be a part of my ongoing identity since I

battled it for for such a Considerable amount of time.

And thank you.

Dr. Damadian and thank god.

So, uh, we the uh, that's all we have time to go to right now.

And if dr. Damadian if you could return To the discussion where we left off you needed to raise about a hundred and

fifty thousand dollars to buy this wire.

That was essential to what you were doing In this profound breakthrough in science that you had come

upon.

So, uh,

well,

I gotta go

out and try

to and see if they

if I can get them

to give her

money.

But I didn't how long it was going to take me.

I said, all right.

Well, I that i'm going

to need in order to

make this This 30 foot wire magnet

a thousand amperes in it however.

If I got 30 spools of wire that i'm going to use I have to make a joint from one spool to the next pool to the next pool

of spectrum.

And when I make this joint uh between successive lengths of wire, I can't

Introduce a resistance to the flow of current when I make that joint or i'll lose the

superconductivity That I desperately need in the wire.

So I okay.

I know what i'll do.

I'll call up wessinghouse and ask them to show me how to make the joints So that I can

make successive joints of superconducting wire without injecting resistance.

So I know what i'll do.

I'll call up the wessinghouse.

Uh sales engineer that at least stole steve lane at

wessinghouse.

I said steve Will you teach me how to make these joints of uh, successive

superconducting wire?

Wait, wait, wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

Dr. Bain.

Are you guys going into competition with wessinghouse?

I said no, no, no, no, wait a minute.

Steve.

I said i'm i'm trying to build Successive lengths of wire into a big enough magnet to

put a human being Into a

scanner.

Steve lane says to me,

uh, and i'll i'll share something with you that nobody yet knows.

Wessinghouse is going out of the business Of making superconducting and I

hadn't told him anything about the amount of wire that I needed.

Wessinghouse is going out of the business of making superconducting wire.

Nobody knows about it yet.

And I happen to have roughly in the neighborhood of 30 miles of this niobium titanium

wire in the warehouse.

Which I will let you have

Evangelical christians and and i'm saying I said I said I can't mom.

I said I can't believe with this story I said I need

to go out of business.

My mother

-in -law says praise

god.

This is

amazing.

Yeah,

i'm wondering who

volunteered for that.

Ha ha ha ha.

Yes, we have 17 minutes.

Uh, so you could uh, You could uh speak and obviously we're gonna have to wrap up in in

about 12 minutes or so.

Yes, that's exactly right.

All right.

Well,

okay.

Um, we cooled it down with liquid

helium and when it came to Uh

the the great

moment

who would get

in this magnet

and now the key Was

when I was in the magnet, all right, by the way, I had a

Cardiologist present

with defibrillator shock

pad.

That was the antenna to go around my torso.

And mike goldsmith and larry put it around me and I got into the magnet.

And i'm sitting there sitting there and we're we're trying to get a signal from my

body a hydrogen signal from the water of my tissue

say That it

wasn't

working

because I was

too fast to

get somebody a lot skinnier than

Smith

and I continually trying

to back

and forth we get

in.

Um, He comes in one day.

This is okay.

Okay, i'll get in there.

Hypothesis the goldsmith too fat hypothesis to see if we get a signal from me where we couldn't get it

from.

It

was

going to

be entirely

around my whole torso.

And in theory unless I did something to focus it from all the

atoms in my torso because the antenna was collecting from all.

The atom from from my whole torso.

So I had designed it so that it was focused and I had the rf coil designed so that it

would only give a signal.

From the dead center of the

magnet.

I moved the spin design the signal would

go away.

So I could be sure David when I was getting that signal

the magnet and by the time we got all this working.

It was the midnight.

Into july 3rd.

That larry finally be

in the center of

therefore

full of

h2o.

And therefore you should get us

harry in there was made on july 2nd.

Larry gets into the magnet.

And we put him just where I told you so the focus spot the dead center

magnet, you know from larry's chest.

Which I we have failed.

So now the next question was Was it going

to focus from one spot to the next so we could get a scan and make a

map was.

And now that focus spot would be in the center of larry's

lung such

as in

larry's heart.

It was

now in the

lung full of gas.

We moved larry over.

Hmm

well, we have a christian audience.

So i'm glad that you You didn't use

the exact the

actual word there on

air twice at right angles to

his body called t8 the

the eighth Thoracic now mapping out a slice one

spot at a time.

Across larry's chest

pure sinus.

Dr.

Joel

stuff and did

and to

our

great

exhilaration.

We had just achieved praise

god and the lord has used that.

Well, this is a truly remarkable story and those of you Who took the

time to write in?

With your questions and testimonies.

Uh, you're all going to get a free copy of this book uh gifted mind

which has been.

Uh.

Co -authored, uh between uh, jeffrey kinley and our guest.

Dr. Raymond damadian.

And chris there's one more piece.

It'll only take me a minute.

Sure.

But everybody's going to want to know because i'm we're now.

We have this magnet we called indomitable in the university.

And

how

does

because

i

am

called

why?

1980, uh the one we call that's

more story with

patent fights and everything else, but that

was the qed 80.

Which we were able to.

Well, let me just let our listeners know that you were awarded a national medal of

technology in 1988.

And that you were inducted into the national inventor's hall of fame in 1989.

And in 2001 the lemelson mit prize program bestowed its lifetime achievement

Award on dr. Damadian as the man who invented the mri scanner.

The franklin institute of philadelphia Gave its recognition Of dr. Damadian's work on

mri with the bower award in business leadership.

And dr. Damadian was named the knights of vartan 2003 man of the year

in september of 2003.

He was honored with the innovation award in bioscience from the economist.

And his original mri full body scanner Was donated to the smithsonian institute

in the 1980s and is now on loan and on display at the national inventors hall of fame

in ohio.

Uh, dr. Damadian.

Uh, are you?

Uh, were you able to get over?

Uh, the.

Uh, the hijacking of the nobel peace prize that occurred with this invention.

Well that that was right.

I'm sorry.

Happened, uh, the

nobel committee.

But there were obviously as I just listed there were enough uh, credible sources.

That did, uh bestow upon you very wonderful awards, uh for

this invention that god as I keep repeating has Used and i'm sure will continue to

use for many years.

Sure.

I made this discovery as I told you was nmr specialties corporation in new kensington.

And

and we

can

use.

Right and in 1973 He published the paper said well,

wait a minute and he made a picture of two small test

tubes between us.

Because he

didn't cite

Us.

He didn't cite my paper.

He was using the signals I discovered to make the image.

There was no reference to me or my work who he knew me very well.

He knew me personally so Real tangy itself

were talking to us

and what he ended up telling he did make a beautiful contribution.

Was that if damadian got the nobel prize?

And and and that became you know within the the

of the nobel committee that became a uh consideration for them, so.

That was the complication.

Well, uh, this is obvious.

I want to make sure when I talk about Lautenberg is that he's the first one to suggest

we can make a picture from damadian's.

Right.

They just did it on truth.

Well, that's very honorable and very humble of you to give him the credit Uh that he is

due even though he perhaps was involved in this very dishonest, uh development and that only uh

for gives further proof to the theological Uh truth, uh of the total depravity

of man.

And that we need uh, jesus christ To rescue us from ourselves, let alone the world of flesh

and the devil.

But I know that this book can be purchased at masterbooks .com

Masterbooks .com.

We uh, as I said earlier all of those who took the time to write in their Testimonies,

uh are getting a free copy.

In fact, there were Three people on who were waiting that we never had an opportunity to read

Yes.

I can tell it quickly.

Sure.

I said after

Practise studies

in tissue one and

two that well, I repeated of t1

and t2 at the

mating difference.

I all

ladies and

gentlemen of the

national cancer

into any further discussion about scanning the human body by nmr is

visionary nonsense.

Sitting in that audience when the national cancer does

a conference and their hands shot up.

They were

and they said

years later.

We end up in a patent battle with general electric where we were trying to assert our patent.

So we could have the benefits to keep them keep them from eating us alive, which we were doing at the time.

And when we ended up in the court

before the

uh, the federal.

From disease tissue, that's not

cancerous.

From disease tissue.

That's not cancers as you get.

But law.

Our lawyers then stood up and said well, are you going to punish this guy?

Because his original discovery detects more disease than he originally envisioned.

Wow.

And then we've won.

Amen.

Well, praise god for that.

I always love to hear when The righteous are vindicated and um, as I said, the our

listeners can get this book from mastersbooks .com.

Mastersbooks .com the title of the book is gifted mind.

And this is a biography of dr. Raymond damadian written by jeff kinley and co -authored

by dr Damadian and of course you could go to amazon.

Do you have any other contact information that you personally want to share with our listeners?

Or would you rather our listeners just go through me?

Dr. Damadian, I didn't hear that.

I didn't hear you chris.

What'd you say?

I said did you have any other uh website or contact information at all that you want me to share with our listeners?

Oh, I think you're just.

That's quite all right.

Yeah.

Well if anybody wants to get in contact with just gifted mind at amazon, yes.

Yes, amazon's got it.

You'll you'll bring it right up, right?

And also.

Masterbooks .com.

Also, you can if you enter into

oh great.

And one more thing.

Alternatively, you can enter raymond damadian mine.

Yeah, that's d a m a d i a n, right?

So in either in either entry raymond damadian or The inventor

and you can order it right on

the on the web.

Great.

Well, I would love it If you could stay on the phone for a few minutes after we go off the air because I want to say a final goodbye To you, but I

want to thank you So much for being a part of our broadcast today.

I want to thank everybody who Uh got involved with their own testimonies.

I'm, sorry, we couldn't get to everybody but I want everybody to always remember for the rest of your lives that jesus christ is a

far Greater savior than you are a sinner.

Absolutely.