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I learned a fresh lesson this week. It's something that that we've known but But sometimes you don't put it into practice this has been a week of spiritual warfare in a lot of ways and a

Lot of behind -the -scenes stuff and little nitpicky stuff and ministry and just personal and and But I was reminded this week

That that means you're in the battle that means you're in the fight if you're actually in the war that means you're not on the sideline you're in the game and so We should count it all joy when these troubles come, you know, it's

James. Listen, that's that's hard For me personally, it's not that I'm wanting a life of ease

I love to work hard and Dig in but but you kind of like Joe when you when you work hard and do what you're supposed to do

Then you expect good things to happen and when you're doing that and then bad things seem to happen it can be a bit confusing but But it was it was a fresh reminder for me this week to give thanks for the battle give thanks for the war give thanks for difficult times and praise him in difficult times and and Nothing catastrophic is it's the constant

Nats in here. So that is what I've been dealing with. It's aggravating So I don't want anybody to think it's been something catastrophic but it's just just a bunch of little stuff this week that just seems to keep you a little off kill and You know had to work through some of that this week.

So but I praise the Lord. He's faithful. It's the little foxes That's right Tyler are you with us?

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We'll let you answer that question So tonight we're gonna dive into a little bit labor style the book of Leviticus.

We made it through Genesis Exodus We're in Leviticus now, this will be labor style. And again, we're not looking at you know, your typical overview

Who's the author when it was written, even though all those things are wonderful and important I just wanted to pull out some of the some of the highlights from the books of God's Word and And see if we can tackle those questions

So here's the first question if the main theme of Leviticus is holiness How do all the laws ceremonies rituals and feasts point to the holiness of God?

Okay Well If it's okay,

I'll start absolutely. So First thing I think about is the the feasts the rituals the the ceremonies these things

The circumcision these things set Israel apart from the rest of the world the rest of the world didn't do things the way that Israel did them and And God's presence was in the midst of this people and obviously

God's presence was not in the midst of the rest of the world and the sense that it was in the presence of Israel and the writer

I'm gonna say was the writer of Hebrews says that the Israelites were given the oracles of God first Is that is that the right book brother

Robert? brother Like he thinks it is I'm pretty sure it's in the book of Hebrews where he says that they these were first given the oracles of God if it's

Not just Romans in any case This sets this sets the rest of Israel apart from the rest of the world the way they conduct themselves the food that they eat the way that they

Supported the family the way that they supported the tribe. They didn't intermarry with other people groups.

They they were a people Separated which is where the word holiness we use where holiness is separated for God's own on special purpose in the wilderness

During the book of Leviticus there in the wilderness. Obviously, they're a nation but for the sake of this book And I'll leave

I'll leave some on the table brother Jonathan come in and sweep it up No, that's good, man. Well speaking of with my back

Speaking of the holiness of God I like to think of The book of Exodus putting

God's holiness on display in a cosmic way like like very big

Supernatural miracles control over the elements control over Locusts control over hail stones falling from sky, you know parting waters, you know this whole movement of God's sovereignty and Control over over the heart of Pharaoh over, you know over all of those things so Exodus is like a really big a

Big like overview kind of cosmic view of God's holiness of how he has set apart holy

And he's better than all more powerful more perfect more holy than all things

So he is he separates himself even from his creation and demonstrates his absolute control and authority over all the creation the book of Leviticus in Does the same thing except it's more than micro level

Exodus is very macro and very big Leviticus is hard to read a lot of times for people like us today because it's very micro it gets down to the very very specific things of of the holiness of God and and God's expectation of man to live holy with him and in order to even survive and so that's that's huge and so so it's just speaking of how how set apart

God is from The rest of the world and then by by his attribute of holiness

Then he's calling a people to be wholly set apart from the rest of the world in order to to be apart with him

So so that was one of the notes that in some of the commentaries that I read that I really thought was was neat speaking of God's holiness and then really

Leviticus is echoed of the holiness of God Leviticus Really sets a tone for the rest of the

Bible Speaking of God's holiness You can see it echoed almost through every book and be holy as I am holy, you know

I mean though that thought and that that reverence of the absolute holiness of God It really sets a tone in the hearts of men through through the rest of the

Bible So so that's that's really really crucial. I feel like is as Was we do that?

So these ceremonies and feasts and all those kind of things it really To me just shows the setting apart in the power of God at a very micro level to how would apply

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Honestly as I was digging into The meat of Leviticus today.

I was taken aback by Chapter 17 verse 11 for the life of a creatures in the blood and I have appointed it to you to make atonement on The altar for your lives since it is the lifeblood that makes atonement

The now I think that just captures a lot of the the gravity with the sacrifices and this idea of blood

That just comes a time and time again. It's almost morbid sometimes with Leviticus. There's so much blood but We look at that as people this side of the cross we look at it as Tyler if you can hear me you were you're chopping up again and I oh man,

I really regret that because I Love your insights, brother Hopefully this this thing will straighten out for you

I Really love here what you have to say and I know the the folks that listen and watch do too Well while we're waiting on Tyler to come back

I'll jump in there and and just say I appreciate the word that he used a second ago He used the word gravity and that's kind of where You back with us

I think so, okay You want to go you want to finish your thought? Right.

So where I was is this idea of atonement this idea of the blood There's so much blood that we look at that blood this side of the cross with the perfect shedding of blood from the perfect sacrifice that saves us completely sufficiently and permanently and While this was as we'll get into a little bit later a shadow.

It was it was a pointer but all of this points is to the perfect picture of God's holiness when he poured out his just wrath on his own son as the final offering for sin

I Like the word that you used earlier gravity and that's kind of where my thoughts were taking me because when we were in Exodus last week

I kind of brought forward the this idea that Israel went from slavery, you know under Egypt under Pharaoh and they were

They were redeemed or they were brought out. They they exit They had an exodus they they left

Egypt But some people I would say I guess in modern times view this

Giving the law is going back under bondage and We talked about how

God's law is not taking us from one slavery to another and keeping us under bondage but it's actually freedom, but Speaking using that word gravity that you were you were talking about earlier

There is a weightiness like you said a gravity to God's law because if you look at the immense amount of things that they had to do things that they had to accomplish to to Work within that covenant or be in that covenant

It had to have become weighty With so many things they had to do and then here's the kicker for me

If you keep If you keep all these things all these laws all these rituals all these ceremonies and you do them the way

God wants you to Do them as weighty as it is The outcome of that is not to become like God is

You're simply at that point Remaining in covenant or remaining in good standing or remaining in a relationship with God himself

Yeah, and so That's us. That's as far or as close as we can get to to God Just to be in a right relationship with him.

And so he is on a different level. We use the word otherness Speaking and so we're talking about the holiness of God and to me these laws and these rituals and ceremonies

They just thought they only take us to a certain point We it could they can never take us to Who our

Creator is who our God is he is that much more holy than we could ever be which we've destroyed

Any attempt that we ever had and keeping his law anyway, and that's why we needed Atonement in Christ like you were referring to Tyler.

Yeah, and when it comes to the gospel often we have a tendency to want to soften the blow a little bit and And Honestly, I think the best rebuttal to that is the verse that made me a

Christian. What was me? I am ruined I'm a man of unclean lips and I dwelled amongst the people of unclean lips and my eyes have seen the king the

Lord of Armies. Yeah That's that's the verse that made me a Christian.

That is the verse where God became real to me Man was the recognition that he is holy

Beyond what I could even wrap my head around better believe as as holy as he is.

I am that much more unholy I was 14

Lord Well, we we've used that word several times tonight. Of course, that's the you know, a big theme in Leviticus in his scripture

Is the holiness of God? Why don't we define it? And I think I think big

John and your answer You you give an attempt to define holiness If you want to repeat that anybody anybody else have anything to add in addition to this definition go right ahead

Just the separateness the distinct different but effort for I suppose in this

For this in point, I would say the separation Jesus is not like Anybody else and his people are not to be like anybody

Right, we're to be like him and And I know we can't be like him in the way that that we probably want to be like him or at least the way

We should want to be like him His people conduct themselves in a manner that is different than the natural world goes

I Won't stop there for saying too much, but I'll let somebody who's got a better grasp of the

English language go at it No, that was excellent. I would just add the word sacred. Yeah, that's good.

You know, it's it's it's You know, the Hebrew word is quotas

I think is how you pronounce that word quotas and You know, it's it

Highlights the realm of what is sacred versus in contrast to what is common or or wicked or profane, so it's sacred and And holiness also encompasses which this is this is a great comfort for us holiness

Encompasses God and everything that belongs to God. Yes, so That that's been bought by God, you know that that's in right relationship with God so So for those that are in Christ where God's command is

Be holy for I am holy or Leviticus 19, you know where where God, you know said because I the

Lord your God, I'm holy you must be holy Well, then we're really we're really in trouble, you know that like Tyler was saying a second ago so that really leads us to the gospel, how do

I become holy and and We we we become undone at that moment because we realize how can

I be holy? How can I be perfect and that's the other translation in the New Testament where God said be holy as I am

Holy, it's also translated be you perfect just as I am perfect. So it's sacred.

It's perfect It's set apart from anything common or profane.

It's the opposite of commonness It's sacredness and set apart from that. So I think you're saying all the same the same thing so it's just a few more adjectives to try to add weight to it, but I honestly believe that our language fails to to grasp and actually describe

The holiness of God and the closest we come to is no one sees God and lives.

Yeah That's like you got to get a grasp of that that when Moses said let me see you

And God's like you can't look up on me and live That's right, you know in in the cleft of the rock.

He puts his hand on him as he passes by he lets him see a shadow or the hinder side of him, but no man can look on God and live and I mean, it's it's and that is that is

That word lived carries no man can live it carries a connotation no man can look at me and not be vaporized you know by my holiness and so So when we define holiness, you know

There there's there's weight to it when we talk in Scripture. So Almost say there's really nothing to be added as much as just adding some adjectives on on what's already been said

I'm gonna put an actual title words

To what you guys are explaining? It's something that I brought up last week when we we talked about Exodus, but I find it so amazing

When we speak of the attributes of God we talk about his holiness. It also

Simultaneously expands our anthropology Anthropology is just the study of man and that's that's what you guys are doing

You're talking about God and also simultaneously When we when we see God, you know with a with our figuratively with our spiritual eyes

We also see who we are in light of that. That's right. Yeah, that is isn't it's amazing thing

To see who really are in light of who he is. Sure If God delivered the

Hebrews from the kingdom of Pharaoh Why could they not just be left to themselves

Why do they need new instructions? I'm afraid if I if I answer this with my knee knee -jerk reaction, it's gonna sound disrespectful to people but people's done

And and left to their own people do dumb stuff With the exception of Tyler everyone in here has children, right you love your children, right?

Yeah Do you just let them go out on their own? I Mean think about it.

Have you ever just said open the door and said, uh, all right You know, you're three years old.

You don't need a bottle anymore Learned how to use the bathroom If I was you

I wouldn't get in the car with strangers. I got to go to work. I'll be back in a couple hours

These groceries in the refrigerator. We'll see you later But you know and that's not to say that that that the child itself is is is

Abnormally dumb, it's just that we we need direction We need leading as much as you need a

Savior you need a shepherd You don't you don't start something in the spiritual and continue it in the flesh according to the right of relations, right?

so How is it that you couldn't free your own self from Pharaoh? But now that you're out here while we got it now

Thank you Lord couldn't get that done So now that you got us over that first hurdle the rest of it will have this thing lick and the law was established because of that very idea because of that stubborn hard -hearted

Calloused heart of man God established a law that allowed man to have some communion with God For a moment.

It's amazing the the commonality that you bring out between all men I was sitting here thinking about you know your example, and then

I'm thinking about Israel and how God is their King he establishes his rule with his law and then

You read all through scripture and they look at the other nations we want a king like those other nations

Yeah, well, I'm supposed to be your king Okay. Well, I'll give you what you want.

They they push back. They reject the kingship of God His rule and authority his his law

Just like we do just like the example you gave just like our children do

Our natural tendency is to push back and reject and won't things our own way

And yeah, I appreciate that that point of commonality We talked about that in Genesis 2, you know that comes back from Genesis Genesis 3 the fall the the the inherent rebellion that we all have

God's design and we saw an exodus You know not long after They were there and left to themselves

What did they do, you know? They made a golden cow and started worshiping other gods

And so so this the law the law is is absolutely required that we might flourish and stay in relationship with God and It shows us it's a mirror reflection of our rebellion, but for the children of Israel at that time

It was it was what was needed that they would stay in right relationship with him apart from that Left it when we see it in judges and we see in Kings says there was no king in Israel They just did what was right in their own eyes just made it up and whatever felt good.

They did it. So So the law was absolutely needed to to at least have

A semblance of a relationship with God That one said that Exodus is about God taking

Israel out of Egypt, but Leviticus is about God taking Egypt out of Israel.

Yeah Yeah, as a there's a brother Robert quoted from one of the ladies at church had a female

Bible study Session and it said it took God a night to get it Israel out of Egypt took him 40 years to get

Egypt out of Israel And that's I don't know who I don't know where they got that from. That is solid gold

We're we're by nature rebellious people right

I've been on record piles of times. I'm not a I'm not a Calvinist like maybe everybody else on the page, but With if Calvin got one thing, right?

It was the total depravity of man If you leave a man by himself, there is no depths to his load

There isn't there isn't that me Turn on the television Turn on the nightly news

These these depths of depravity are achieved when there is a law

When there is consequences for wrongdoing Well to what level of depravity would man go if there weren't and You know,

I wish that there didn't have to be I Really do I wish I think that that's

I think that was God's desire I don't he wanted to write the law on our hearts so that we would That we would want to do what is

God's will instead of having to be coerced into doing what's right in a moment That we would desire and long and it takes being born again to have that and even in our regenerated state

We still have a a warring member inside of us that we have to continually

Crucify so that we don't Sink down to these lows. I it It is weird that man is both a victim and a perpetrator of this

We're flowing right into the next question, what is what are the laws rituals and ceremonies Say about the holiness of man

So let's continue this conversation as we flow into that next question and and I'll say this Just to tag on to what you guys are saying

You guys were talking about Israel in the wilderness and and all that they did making the golden calf

The other thing that they did was they wanted to go back Yeah, they wanted to go back and then

I go to the New Testament And I think about the book of Hebrews. What's the book of Hebrews all about?

Yeah, don't go back Jesus is better. Don't go back.

Then you have you have Peter himself who Paul has to I guess chastise because Peter was afraid of the

Jews and He he wanted or the Jewish leaders and he was trying to tell the

Gentiles You've got to do this and you got to do this You got to do the way go the way of the Jews instead of going the straight path of the gospel

And Paul had to get on to him for going back. It's such an amazing thing Who who we are?

Yeah There's a key phrase in the book of Leviticus there are several but there's one before the

Lord The one throughout the the Latin from the Reformation Coram Deo before the face of God and When we look at all these laws and these rituals and these ceremonies and feasts that are pointing out that God is holy and by default we are not

Keep in mind we are still before the face of God that as unholy as we are we are still living before the

Lord everything we say and everything we do and everything we think is Naked and exposed to his sight sure and so in a in a sense

God is giving the Israelites these these new rhythms to frame their life around these these rhythms that direct their eyes to the

God who is holy That direct their eyes to how they can be reconciled to him because they will need to be reconciled to him.

Yeah he is Illustrating this idea of union with being reunited with God that the word atonement

Was difficult for William Tyndale to come up with he actually had to make it up because there wasn't anything in English to Carry the gravity of what we call atonement and he legit what it means is at one meant how we become at one

Go on my brother How do we become at one with God and that's that's the image that's being

Carried over that's what this is the picture God is drawing and in the in Leviticus is like a

Pencil kind of sketch and then he keeps adding shading and colors until we get to Hebrews and the end of on the

New Testament Yeah So, could I could

I read something to us? Absolutely. What'd you say John big John brother? He used that word atonement and defined it by the way

Perfectly done. I did. I know you know these stuff better than I know this stuff But I will share with my Sunday school class this

Sunday morning and it ain't the first time that I've shared this with them This this gospel is so Supernatural that we got to make words up to try to describe it

It's I mean and I know it sounds like it does sound funny doesn't it but I mean you're you're finite

You're you have a beginning and you have an end and then you're going to deteriorate at a set rate and only you only

God knows when you're going to stop breathing And he is infinite It this is why the gospel never gets old to me.

Yeah Go ahead I said earlier today that the

Bible pretty much made the English language because of stuff like this that we didn't have words Yeah Atonement and tabernacle and church and ark

Yeah, these are words that were invented because they need to translate the Bible in English beautiful so go back to our question of what does these things say about the holiness of a man and Rather than giving an opinion.

I just want to read God's perspective and So It says as it is written none is righteous.

No, not one. No one understands. No one seeks God all have turned aside

Together all have become worthless No one does good not even one

Their throat is an open grave They use their tongues to deceive the venom of asps is under their lips

Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness their feet are swift to shed blood and their paths are ruined and Misery in the way of peace.

They have not known there is no fear of God before their eyes

Of course the most famous summation of that for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God And so the holiness of God the rituals and the ceremonial laws the purity laws all the things we hear have here are our summations of The one that perfectly keeps this all of his life without falter without failure

Would be considered holy as God is holy Yeah But if you've ever faltered once then you've fallen short of the glory of God and we know that there's no man apart from Christ That ever walked the earth at perfect eclipse

So now the indictment of God when God says when when someone says, okay

God Give me a description of the holiness of man Then God says, okay. I've got a lot of words for this and and the one that we

We forget that Romans 3 verse 12 all have turned aside Together in other words all together.

They have become Worthless. Yeah, you've got God who is sacred and holy and invaluable

You can't put a price tag on that and then God says in comparison to that Here's man and all together.

They have become absolutely worthless in comparison to my holiness So that'll bring us to something really important.

We get to grace and mercy in a minute But but but that is what makes grace and mercy so beautiful because this holiness

That sets God is so sacred above all in Comparison to him all together.

We have become worthless before him There is no value and all like sheep have gone astray and all have sinned and fallen short of this

Perfect glory and holiness of God. We've all fallen short of that So now the gap between this holiness and man's unholiness is infinite

Absolutely an infinite expanse of space That's immeasurable of how holy

God is and he says the only way you spend eternity with me is to become just as holy as I am holy but now there's this immeasurable gap in between and so that's why the book of Galatians is

So important to say this is where the law is our schoolmaster now That's right. All read the law this law that we're learning tonight

Really becomes a schoolmaster of who we are before God and and the end that the depravity of man and the unholiness of man

So I think it's very crucial because apart from that the gospel is really not that good of news

But when you get this Man what incredible news? What what unimaginable?

unfathomable News that the just God who's this holy Now becomes the justifier of those who are absolutely worthless by his own indictment and description of us

Pretty pretty amazing. Yes, sir. I would be very interested to to learn the word picture

From the Greek of the word worthless there I think that that's the

I think that I Want to I don't add to it, but I want to dovetail off of it.

So you take the matchless worth of Christ And you levy that Against an entire creation that is deemed worthless

That's why the cross was a sacrifice Yeah, because what? What happens if you give up something for something that is greater you didn't sacrifice you gained right

Just that's just a law of economics if you give somebody Something and you get something back that's worth more than what you give him you gained what

Christ did on the cross was a sacrifice because while it makes the world or it makes those in him righteous and Holy before God he had to give

Nothing that he could have gotten back has the same value as what he gives

It's I've said it this way How many times if you were to take all of the world and put them on one side of a balance beam?

It would fall to that side and if nothing in the other side It would be like this and you take one drop of Christ's blood and it comes down so hard on this end

It would catapult the things in the other side. That's how one man's death has a power to save Everyone because of that matchless worth you're talking about brother

Jonathan. Yeah, that's right. It's That's why the writer of Hebrews I think is so stern you don't tread underfoot this blood.

That's right You better honor this God can speak the world into existence in a moment.

He has to die to make a man right with him We don't take that life

Man Amen if I could just add this to what use what you said, which is

I'm basically gonna repeat what you just said, but if God just gets me or if God just gets us in Return for what he gave then, you know, you're absolutely right.

He is not getting a return on that that down payment, but when he get

But in this spiritual economy in God's economy when he gets me He's not he's not just getting me or he's not getting me at all.

What he's getting is What he did to redeem me

Yeah, I mean he is he is getting the the glory from taking something that would that was worthless and Redeeming it and and making

Making him right and putting him in a position where he could be in a right relationship with God And so what he's getting when he's getting me is he is getting the glory for the work that he did.

Yeah Well, he's reversing rottenness. You wanted a word picture.

I'll give you a quick one. Okay, so Any of you let milk

Sit out and clabber and rot and you you know It's well over date and you open the jug and you smell it

Like and what do you do with that? It's it's like there's nobody's going to drink that nobody's going to use that You really don't even want to pour it down your drain.

You know what I mean? It's like But it's clabbered rotten molded

Milk that has all together become Useless absolutely worthless.

It's it's it's a rotted spoiled Element and so so that's that's the description that that in our sin

We we are worse than rotted soured spoiled clabbered milk or or grossly molded bread or Anything that's been corrupted

That is beyond repair Let's be like you really can't even make butter out of that kind of rotted soured milk rotten eggs you know, that's one of the worst smelling things there is you know, but an egg that's been rotted and You know, you can't you there's nothing that we can do to restore that rotten egg

So, so it takes a miracle to take something that's rotted and Make it new

And so so that all together become worthless It's it's we have become a rotten stench in the nostrils of God you know not that sweet smelling aroma that we're reading about here in Leviticus and the laws of sacrifice and Those things not that sweet smelling aroma, but a rotted

Worthless Irrepairable good for nothing but to be thrown away

Mess, you know, so so that's what it went all together. We've become worthless. We've all together just become rotten stench and soured clabbered

Rotten eggs and milk mixed together So so that's so you start viewing yourself that way you're like, hmm

Because I think even though and we talked about this the other week. I'll just throw this in just for fun Not not to make us rabbit trail but you know we talked about theology of music and stuff a few weeks ago a lot of the the music today and it is the

Even though I was a proponent probably for more diversity of not as highly regulated

I'm highly regulated in the theology aspect of it because there's a lot of songs today that evolve around How I was worthy of Christ's death

That that I'm that that God saw something in me There's some old southern gospel songs.

What did he see in me, you know, and the answer is he didn't see nothing in you Thinking nothing but but rottenness and Lostness and wickedness and enmity with him.

That's what I'm talking about He didn't see nothing in you But yet while we were at centers

Christ died for us and God commended his love for us So humanity doesn't know how to relate to a

God who loves us who sees nothing in us, but this loves us out of his Attribute that God is love like we can't comprehend that because we only love what is lovable So therefore we have to think that we are lovable so therefore

God must have loved us No, God didn't see nothing in you He described us very clearly as nothing better than something to be discarded and absolutely useless and worthless

That's right in an all but amazing grace So when you start when you start getting a grip on that and then you sing the song amazing grace now all of a sudden amazing grace really becomes like grace really is amazing like it is

Unfathomable and you'll never sing amazing grace a wretch Like me, you know, like we don't really believe we're wretches, but God really clearly describes it

So so apart from the book of like Leviticus and the clear law People don't study that so therefore they don't understand the wretchedness and the work is of man

So so that just brings us back full circle to the question. How do these ceremonial laws and Cleansing laws and all these things.

How are they speaking to the holiness of man? They're actually clearly depicting the unholiness of man and our our incapability left to ourselves

To become holy, you know, it's very very crucial I I know we're beating that horse, but that this is such an essential part of the gospel

Yes in our modern day times This is a part of the gospel that has has just been glassed over.

That's right sake of self -esteem We don't have creatures that preach on sin anymore we don't have preachers that preach on the depravity of man anymore as they all that will stand in the pulpit and proclaim the reality of the world that we're in and and And as a result, we're having a lot of false conversions.

That's very narcissistic and not a Genuine repentance and pleading with God for us for authentic salvation

So that's right. So it's just a huge is this is probably to me the most theological question We have tonight that has that we have to drive home.

Yeah, I always appreciate everything that God teaches me, but I always appreciate the day that he he taught me and opened my eyes to the duality of our worthlessness in other words

Not only are we undeserving But we're ill deserving. Yeah, we we can't do enough to earn

Salvation and we've done everything in our power to Go against it as well.

That's right. So our worthlessness is There's a duality to it.

We are undeserving and ill deserving Yeah, it's like not only are you dumb but boy you sure are ugly

I'll give the next question because that's the good Well, I think the next question about Israel and I Think it may be a question that people would have from time to time if God's plan is a global plan if his

His endeavors are global, you know, he told I'm gonna need you know, feel the earth You don't know a feel the earth it and and he told his disciples go make disciples of all the nation

So there's a global plan that that was initiated and has been you know

The same all throughout history. Yeah, why did he just choose? one group of people to show this this mercy and grace to Call the nation of Israel I Tell you

Well, his word says I chose you because you were the least of these so one of the things that I felt like in the end

I'm gonna leave that part alone God gets little glory out of a superpower like Egypt leading the world

God gets little glory out of massive Giants roaming in a land that flows with milk and honey with Clusters of grapes takes several fellows to carry

God gets less glory if these guys Spread the news of God's plan throughout the whole world because they're bigger and they're stronger

Let me tell you how God gets the most glory out of everything. So he picks the weakest the dumbest the dirtiest the lowest

When he picks those who cannot do for themselves let alone do for anybody else and you see these people

Led by God it causes the whole world to give God glory What was

Rahab's testimony to the spies? These men shake with fear because they know your

God is real They know your God is for you that changes the whole dynamic. You shouldn't exist

Let alone should you be alive in the wilderness? You shouldn't have been able to escape

Pharaoh and this massive army. You shouldn't have been able to walk across A seabed on dry ground.

You shouldn't be eating manna from heaven. Well shouldn't have water from a rock They shouldn't be a pillar of fire at night and a pillar of smoke in the day.

You should not have God with you this way And yet the whole world everybody who sees you knows your

God's real because they've seen it There's there's a difference when

God takes men who don't speak good and can't read right and don't remember scripture

And he turns them into people who preach the gospel who stand in pulpits and pray for folks

There's a difference when God uses men like that versus fellas who got real good Real good brains, and I don't know

Great good glory whenever they uses the weakest. Amen Corinthians that the wisdom of God foolishness to the world

Yeah There there is almost a paradox here with with the way

God works that he doesn't work in the ways we'd expect oftentimes that he Breaks the mold he break quote breaks the rules

Sorry, he's not playing the MVP. He's not playing the the big plays necessarily that we would cast him to that he takes the weak and the dumb and the low and He Does things with them that we would never expect?

That's right. Absolutely. That is how he is glorified and I think there's an element of God revealing himself in layers

Gradually throughout the redemptive narrative that he starts with Israel and Eventually he

Himself to the Gentiles that I'm not ashamed of the gospel. It is the power of God and so that salvation to the

Jew first and also to the Greek and There was almost like this this gradual unveiling of God Through all these these different periods in the

Bible to where we have the Jews and the Gentiles are

Equal in their God and be saved but in this beginning here when God is from our perspective just starting out

He saw fit to permit Israel and Israel alone for the most part to know him

Yeah, and he was glorified through that communion While bringing others into the fold over time.

Yeah Let me jump into the next question Because we're running out of time.

Okay, and I thought one reference in there Yeah, sure answer that question very specifically you go to Deuteronomy chapter 7 verses 7 through 9

Big John quoted part of that The Lord did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were numerous

More numerous than other people for you were the fewest of all nations Then he goes on to say but it was because the

Lord Loved you and kept his oath and his covenants So so really the specific two things we have is number one

He loved them and number two, he keeps his covenants And so that's that's

Deuteronomy chapter 7 verse 7 to 9 like specifically answers that question straight out Just want to throw that in there as a reference

Yeah, absolutely. Well this next question and we'll get to the gospel after this question, but um

It flows from the question. We just answered and it also practical for us today,

I believe So one of the intentions was for Israel.

So that's where we were Israel. Why did he choose them? To shine a light into the world of God's holiness.

He gave them the law wanted them to to keep it and to to be Be a light into the world of God's holiness his glory is

Same expectation there for us as as believers We we there's a lot of focus on the gospel being missional being evangelical sharing the gospel

But I think we I Think we talked about it a lot tonight that we also need to talk about The holiness of God and how it reflects the the unholiness of man

So, I believe our answer I think our answer together is yes that that's part of our responsibility

Yes is shining the light of God's holiness to the world and then also

How should that reflect if that's our responsibility If that's part of our duty

That's part of the Holy Spirit's work in us is to shine a light to the world showing God's glory his holiness

How should that reflect in? how we Process and Put together our methodology when doing a service for our gathering when we gather with with believers locally in our church

How does that affect How we do that if I could turn us to?

Ecclesiastes for a moment Ecclesiastes chapter 5 says guard your steps when you go to the house of God Better to approach in obedience than to offer the sacrifice as fools do for they ignorantly do do wrong

Do not be hasty to speak and do not be impulsive to make a speech before God God is heaven.

God is in heaven and you are on earth so that your words be few part of what's being conveyed by Solomon in Ecclesiastes is the disconnect it would seem between God and man that man is temporal man is

Small and God has in some ways put barriers Before man that he doesn't figure everything out that he doesn't have all the answers that he doesn't figure out what comes next but he also cautions man to take

God seriously to fear God and keep his commands for this is the all of man to Be careful when you go into the house of God And while we as New Testament people don't necessarily say that the church is

Yeah, the only house of God that it is just the building There is weight when the

Saints gather to worship because God is whole And we are we are his temple

That God has placed his spirit In us that we are in a sense a living temple a living sacrifice even

We who are not worthy to be in the presence of God have been made to be To take the presence of God with us wherever we go hmm, and so we gather to worship there is

Weight that we're gathering to worship the God who is holy But there's also a sense of joy that we have this ability to worship this

God That God has set his heart up not because we were we were worthy because we were holy

But he regarded us as holy and invited us to commune with him

Yeah Let me ask let me ask this question in this way and Because I don't want to unnecessarily and unintentionally offend anybody or any certain denomination

But I like if you other two guys if you could take Tyler's answer and use that to answer this question

And I'm gonna phrase it this way so on one end of the spectrum you have some denominations that are gonna be so liturgical that there dries a bone and Then you've got some denominations that So emphasize freedom in the spirit that they fall off at the other ditch.

I think there's beauty in both ends of that spectrum if we can find out how to Have the liturgical services and an emphasis on the freedom in the spirit

With Tyler's answer you want to go brother

Jonathan you want me to go? Well, you'd letting the two more Pentecostal guys answer this question

I Know you guys can handle it. I'll take a quick stab at it and Really intrigued to the way

I was thinking about this and contemplating on it there there is a tension The thing about liturgy liturgy may be

Rooted in its in its origination from Scripture, but it's still man orchestrated and and and so there's a matter of ritualistic worship versus a worship from the heart and I think that that maybe puts it more in layman's terms of ritualism and then

In and in we can get to the other extreme of even emotionalism or the the feelings of the heart So you can kind of do those kind of things and the problem is both of these have looked at each other and throw rocks

At each other. Mm -hmm And and so when you're saying it becomes dry By all means if we come in contact with a holy

God If we are worshiping him then it will it does every single time in Scripture incite some kind of emotion

Typically like a woe is me moment, you know And then once redemption comes then there is a rejoicing moment

So there there should be this freedom and this Liberty. So So I think the whole

The whole tension there though is Who is at the center of your theology in that worship is is the adoration of Christ?

with with a sincere clear understanding of the holiness of God what that will do is no matter what the style of worship you have there is an

All -in reverence of God in the midst of that and it's not a man -centered Theology, it's a

Christ centered Christ lifting up theology. So then stylistically No matter what what side of that all you start leaning toward there's still an all -in reverence of God in the midst of that There is a great all -in reverence of that and and so for me personally

Being keenly aware of my depravity and this amazing grace of God It has created a

Liberty of my worship where I was raised in churches that didn't raise hands That didn't that was more worried about what

Susie across the aisle or mr. Mr Moe down behind you was thinking about you, you know, and that kind of stuff and you know, you're you're kind of this sort of Reserved thing and really in truth within my worship was still self -centered and I was still worried more about my own self than I were

Than I was adoration of Christ But when you really understand what we were talking about a second ago of this amazing

Grace that bridges that gap between the holiness of God and the depravity of man that that amazing grace that does that then stylistically

You don't matter where you're at there can be a deep devoted worship and heart spirit of gratitude and praise before the

Lord and and You know So I think the issue is maybe not

Stylistically in my opinion is it's as much as who's at the center of the worship. Is it manners to Christ?

Is it manners that God at the center of your theology and if God is really at the center of your theology?

then Then then there'll be times that it is a lifting of hands and a shouting and We ought to be running in joy there ought to be running and and and it would seem chaotic to some but there ought to be just this absolute

Liberty and Celebration, but then there ought to also be other times that man It is quiet as a mouse and like I'll read you a quick scripture that I was thinking about with this question

It says therefore since we are receiving an unshakable kingdom in Hebrews 12 29 therefore since we're receiving an unshakable kingdom

So you just think about what you you're receiving that this incredible gift when you get the best

Christmas present ever if you do Christmas Presents, but I'm just saying if you get like the most incredible gift ever.

Are you like, oh, Like no, I mean it was like you see these kids

Oh my gosh, this is the greatest thing. So when you when you're given this unshakable kingdom

Then let us be filled with gratitude and so worship. Okay, so so the writer of Hebrew says that But it says so worship

God acceptably with reverence and all so there is this condition of Accept Like like there there should be this gratitude this this all this worship

But there is this acceptably with reverence and all so there's your tension And why do we want to do this with reverence and all and I love this this really?

Brings it like home for our God is a consuming fire

So so he's giving you this kingdom That should be like the greatest present ever there should be this shouting of joy this this this gratitude this worship

With reverence and all you know, that's tension of reverence over here. Like holy cow like this like he is amazing

But this all of like I'm just so amazed by this There's got to be acceptable because he is an all -consuming fire and so it's

It can be really easy to get our flesh in the midst of that So so that's I'm not dancing around your question.

The problem is there's actually no like specific Direct line and the reason because on either side we can become very fleshly

So so is that there is this tension reverence and all gratitude what is acceptable?

But it really is what is on if we really evaluate carefully God looking upon the heart.

So what is the center of your heart? What is the center of your mind when you walk into a worship center? Is it about what am I going to get for this today?

Like what am I getting out of this many people leave churches today because they say well, I'm not getting anything out of it Yeah, well, maybe this is not about you and I think that's important for us to realize that when it comes to worship

Now there's other parts of the church that that are designed for the edification the Saints the exhortation of the

Saints I'm not belittling that But when you're talking about acts of worship

Whether and of course, of course, we can always say everything is an act of worship But there there are things that we do

Specifically that are designed to lift high the name of God to lift high the name of Jesus when it comes specifically about the worship of Christ the worship of God it has

Absolutely nothing to do with you. That's right And then the sooner that we realize that Then there is that tension of great liberty in the spirit because now

I'm not hindered by my self I'm released but then

I'm also Holding that intention with reverence and all of who God is, you know, so so they should impact our services

But unfortunately we spend more time worrying about how we can

Answer things to man, but we don't answer to man. We answer to an all -consuming fire. So that ought to be

For worship leaders out there that listen to this and preachers that listen to this just know that congregation can't do nothing in comparison to the all -consuming fire that we will give an answer to So it's kind of what you're saying there with that reminder that God is an all -consuming fire.

Is is that To be put in our mind to keep us in bounds no matter what side we're on.

Yeah I think so Absolutely, because I think on the on the one extreme

I Would I would I would call them charismaniacs maybe or whatever but like that we want to be careful but like on The hyper extreme of that side.

It seems like there is no fear of God Yeah, that you just make it up as you go, you know on timeout like no no, no and big

John said something that he's worried about being offensive and I'd say the same so we can

Leave it out. But I tell people just don't make crap up like you don't have permission just to make stuff up Like you you can't do that.

Yeah, you've got that extreme that just makes mess up But then you've got the other extreme

That it would very much appear that there is no all of God and no genuine gratitude that it's just going through a form of godliness, but have denied the power thereof and so either one of those extremes are just making stuff up or Or denying just to be in all of God, I mean just that this is common,

I guess is what I'm trying to say Then then that would that would be equally

Devastating to To the message of the gospel and our worship unto him. So there's nothing common about it and there's nothing flippant about it, right?

That's that's another adjectives that I'd use for those extremes. I'm passionate about what we're talking about right there It's and it's it's a slippery slope.

It's it's hard to get that right just because of our humanity But I think it should be our goal is to to get that right to have a freedom to In Christ to be amazed

That I can speak his name. So that's going to create an emotion and the

Liberty and a shout in my heart, but also There should be this

Reverence like I dare not lift up my eyes, but Christ lifts our eyes.

You know what I mean? It's like it's It's it's it's a hard place. It's a hard place to maintain, you know

I Think the exact same concept is applied to the to the teaching of God's Word Worship is not

Simply an act of singing hymns or singing contemporary songs whenever you you take a group of men who try to Explain away the supernatural from God you fall on one side of error

And then you have people who are hung up into mysticism and things that aren't biblical just made -up nonsense

And then they tag Jesus's name to it is the other side of the ditch, right? We can't be a people to explain away the infinite

There's going to be a mystery to the gospel because how can in Leviticus the things 19

Lord forgive me if I'm wrong You just can't the the righteous can't pardon the wicked unless he fall into Condemnation, right?

He can't simply pardon the wicked yet Christ pardons the wicked so this is

There's a there's a part of this we had an aha moment the other day in Sunday school

There's a there's a very intelligent lady sitting in there And I said I was reading out of class where Christ became seeing who who knew no sin

Right that that that he became seeing and she said no, wait a minute He's God. He's perfect.

I said yes She said he can't become sin. I said, but how was seeing a tongue for then?

She said so you're wait a minute. You're telling me and and I could just see all at one time. She said whoa,

I said Yes This is the boundlessness of the gospel

God's wrath and God's punishment and the justice God God desires to have satisfied

Comes upon a person on the cross and his love and his grace is allowed to be

Extended because of the exchange on that tree. This is something that that if you try to explain that away

Then you're robbing God of glory and Then if you make it some nonsense that can't save anybody you're robbing

God of that glory Yeah So the same principle brother Jonathan put real good with worship is the same principle in teaching

Yeah, is that this these podcasts if they're not about honoring God and seeing the church edified then it's it's pointless

Right You you had Jesus Christ Walking into synagogues and the people who supposed to know

God best didn't recognize God in their midst. That's right You'd be hard -pressed to find a more liturgical if that's the right term in all people than a

Pharisee a Pharisee in 3080 You'd be hard -pressed to find a man in the

New Testament Church who holds to more ceremony Than a Pharisee and Christ God in the flesh stands among them and at his mock trial

One of them grabs him by the beard hits him in the face and says if you're God, would you just tell me you're

God? so you yes, you most certainly can be to live to to dry as cracker juice and fall off into a ditch where you don't honor

God and his book and and and the supernatural aspects that he just walks in And then you can be absolutely idiotic

And then try to put and try to pin whatever it is Your flesh is conjured up on on the Holy Spirit and I tell you in my opinion.

This is my opinion The the the damnation do people who pin nonsense off on the

Holy Spirit Will be something I dare. I never want to see that happen I never want to see what kind of condemnation comes those people.

Yeah to take and mock God that way. That's right so I'm Pentecostal, you know eight days a week

You know me And and and I'll get I'll get plumb beside myself when

I think about how good God's been to me. Yeah Because I know how wretched I am.

Yeah and and I'm not gonna apologize for it if he gets under somebody's skin that I'm crying because I'm you know,

I'm a big dude if I get to work it brother Jonathan was preaching the other day I boohoo'd like everything at the wild game supper

I said I and part of me thought I'll just keep my seat in this and I ain't gonna do that because I wouldn't do That in my church and this is our church.

Yeah, that's right, you know Because I appreciate your wisdom

I appreciate your balance and appreciate your insight because I You guys had

Expression wisdom insight and just wrapped all that up that it should be it should be in a pamphlet for every church

I think the words that you guys used in the Lesson that I've learned from it

I think you guys did an amazing job and I'm thankful to God for you and edifying me and and teaching me

Describing common and flippant and Beholding the supernatural

Something that we that we all need to do but then be aware of the consuming fire that stands

Outside waiting for us if we begin to focus again on ourselves yeah,

I was Amazing stuff and I'm so looking forward because Tyler and I talked about this before you guys jumped in I'm so looking forward to Tyler sharing the gospel as if he just preached from the

Feast of Weeks and he's gonna draw Jesus out from that sermon and then

Pastor Jonathan if you would pray for us when he's finished. Absolutely So the

Feast of Weeks was the feast commemorating the beginning of the harvest season

When the the grain was ready to harvest So they would harvest the first fruits of the field and then they would make their journey to to the temple mount

They would ascend the hill To the house of God and they would worship and they would make an offering

And so it was commemorating the first fruits and the come of the harvest well in the

New Testament We have a very vivid picture of a harvest of grain

Of wheat and tares in the field Jesus tells this parable that there were that there was a wheat field and then at the when the night came an enemy came and sowed tares that is weeds essentially and So the wheat and tares were permitted by the farmer to grow amongst themselves together

And at the appointed time both were harvested both were gathered and the wheat was taken in the barn and the tares were taken out back and burned and So the the wheat represents those who repeat to believe the gospel those that God saves those that God is welcoming into his barn into his home and the tares represent those who do not those who reject the gospel are not found to be in Christ and are

Taken into judgment But in addition to that There's another first fruit.

There's another harvest because Christ died And it says that he was resurrected from the dead three days later as the first fruits of a resurrection

He was the first fruits from the dead. So while there is a harvest when

Christ Gathers his people and brings them into judgment There's also a first fruits and a second fruits in that we will be risen from the dead

Just as Christ the first fruits were if we are in Christ Amen And so we at the truth and love network implore you to come to know

Christ Who is the first fruits from the dead? He is the the harvester and the harvest

Those who would have him those who would seek him while he may be found will find him and he will have you praise the

Lord Let's pray together guys, and I'm gonna read you some scripture

As a matter of our prayer tonight father. I pray that you would help us to to be in the frame of mind as Isaiah was in the year that King Uzziah died and Your presence filled that room the train of your robe

Your glory filled the temple and as Isaiah came in contact with you

The first words out of his mouth was holy holy Holy is the

Lord of hosts The whole earth is filled with your glory Lord.

I very cautiously Trembling and fearfully

Say, would you give us tonight a fresh? glimpse of your holiness a fresh perspective

What I am I am encouraged tonight and convicted tonight

Of how lightly I take you sometimes or you are holy

Holy Holy We know the book of Revelation tells us that before the throne that it never ceases the words holy, holy holy

Is the Lord God Almighty who was and is it is to come Oh God, I pray that you would

Give us a fresh glimpse Tonight of your holiness and how far removed mankind is from you that you are set apart above all the earth above all creation above all the universe a

Gap so wide that no man could ever cross it except the

Son of Man a Son of God who did he did not consider it equality to be

With you something to be held on to but he emptied himself and humbled himself as a servant not any kind of servant on any kind of normal humility, but Kind of servant that would come and die and not any kind of death, but the death on a cross

Christ I pray tonight you would give us a fresh glimpse of the amazing grace to cross that uncrossable threshold

What no man can do you did? What no man could accomplish you accomplished

That we may be the firstfruits with you Christ. You're the first to be risen and now we are co -heirs with you.

Oh God tonight we worship you for such an amazing grace. We worship you tonight for such an amazing gospel the good news

God we worship you tonight for you are holy. Holy. Holy and in you Christ we have become holy in You Christ we have become perfect what we could not do ourselves you have atoned

For us and have become the perpetuation that satisfying gift Thank you,

Jesus tonight. We worship you And we thank you for an authentic salvation that fulfills the law of God that fulfills

Every one of those laws of what we could not do for ourselves You fulfill

Thank you, Jesus We give you glory tonight We honor you

Lord And I pray for all of us that you would help us to learn what it means to worship you afresh and new tonight

Thank you for such a precious reminder Thank you for the gospel Thank you for this time

Jesus name we pray Amen Thank you everybody for sticking around with us

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