Trump Protest Rally vs Open Air Preachers Andrew Rappaport and Mark Spence

So here we are in Union Square in New York City, just to give you an idea of what it's like.

This is what we're going to be dealing with tonight, so you guys get a good idea.

This is the anti -Trump protest, they're going to be marching around.

Very, very angry groups, you cannot really have dialogues with them, but this is what it's going to be like for the next several weeks probably here in the city when trying to evangelize.

The folks here are very, very angry, but then we have New York's Finest, always, thank you guys, thank you, thank you guys.

It's always nice to know that at least we have the protection, but you'll see lots of smaller protests, there's some folks here.

So what you see is they were shouting, love

Trump's hate, my body, my choice, but not my president.

And basically what you see is that they're very upset because America has democracy and fascism.

Yeah, that's basically it. And so we did not have a fascist government who took over, and there

I guess I'm unhappy about that, but we have a different kind of government where we actually vote and people get to select their president, and they're unhappy about it, and they're showing it.

The interesting thing is that we live in a country where they have that right to do that. And if they actually, well, got their way and silenced everyone else, they wouldn't have that freedom of speech, would they?

So by the way, also, I'll just show this. This is our regular spot. We usually do all of our open air preaching up behind that tower, but you see all these buildings that we got here, they've blocked it all off.

They've blocked off this area here, which is the fountain.

So we're not sure we're going to stick around and do any preaching here because, well, first off, there's nowhere to preach too much, and the crowd may get a little bit violent tonight.

We'll see. So yeah, so there's a, let's see, we'll get that over there with the hat on.

That's our regular heckler, Nick. He's not really a good heckler, actually. He thinks he really knows

Christianity, and he thinks he's really smart, and he's not. So, but we're going to see whether we're going to be preaching in the midst of fistfights or not.

Just going to find out. So the nice thing about this spot is that's the subway spot right there, so you get a lot of foot traffic, at least, and if we kind of get into this little area here, we might be able to get a crowd.

One of the things that's nice about it is our heckler over there, Nick, did already ask me, he said, so where are you guys going to be preaching?

Why? Because, well, he wants to heckle. And so that's the nice thing about being here is we have regular hecklers.

So if we move to a spot, I'll just let them know where we're going to be, and they'll come over to heckle and help us get a crowd.

So here's Jen. Get a shot of Jen. Jen is always handing out tracts. Jen can hand out tracts anywhere and start conversations with anyone.

That's Mark Spence. Look, it's David Wood. What do you need this on for?

Isn't this California weather? This is like my nicest jacket. It's not waterproof. There's nothing to it.

California was 100 degrees yesterday in California. Welcome to New York. And we have the man, the legend.

Look up and say hi. That's Eddie, the legend. Union Square.

Pastor Andrews, again, ready to preach. Good evening,

Union Square. We're out here today to share with you some good news. Something we need in times like this is some good news.

I want to read to you something from someone who has written that cannot lie.

This comment from someone that it's impossible for this person to lie. And he says, the fool says in his heart, there is no

God. Why does he say this? This is written by God, the one who created all of us.

He says, the fool says in his heart, there is no God. Why would he say that for this reason?

To say that God does not exist is to say that you use your

God -given ability to reason to deny the God that gave you an ability to reason.

That would be foolish. Now, for any out here who would say that God does not exist, you have to come to terms with the question of where do we get this immaterial ability to reason.

Reason is not something that we can do purely from chemical reactions.

The ability to reason is God -given. And God gives us this ability to reason.

God says that he has not only given us that, but he's given us a conscience so that every one of us out here knows that God exists and every one of us out here knows something about that God.

We can look at God's design and know that there is a God who is a great creator.

He is concerned about detail. We can look at our own hearts and know that God has given us a conscience.

He gives us a knowledge between right and wrong. He gives us an ability to know that things like lying is wrong, stealing is wrong.

That you're going to be here in the park and you're going to see on the other side, or maybe marching through, you're going to see people that are protesting.

Why do they protest? They protest because they feel that there's some injustice that was done.

That's why they're protesting. But ask this, if there is no God, how could there be justice or injustice?

In fact, if there was no God, we would just be chemical reactions. So the fact that we can understand a system of justice is how we know there is a

God. We know that not only that, but the fact that we know justice is we know there's right and there's wrong.

We know when we do something wrong, we know it's wrong. We have guilt.

God gives us that guilt. It's actually a gift so that we would know that we do wrong before a holy

God, that we might come to him in repentance. That we might come to him in recognizing that we break the law.

That we might come to him because it is against God that we break the law.

See, God created everything good. Thank you. God created everything good.

But back in the garden, Adam and Eve broke God's law, violated his law, and brought sin into the world so that the entire universe has feeling the effect of sin.

And because of that, we all suffer sin. You see it all around us.

I mean, turn on the news and you see the effects of sin. Walk around this city and you see the effects of sin.

We're out here to share good news with you. Because though there is sin in the world, dude,

I love the kilt, sir. Love the kilt. Thank you. This is cold weather for a man to wear a kilt.

That's a good thing. So not too many people wear those anymore. So the thing is, folks, we're out here to share with you because God said that even though we broke his law, we've broken his law, and I thank you,

I stand up for love and that's why I'm preaching. The fact is that God so loved the world that he came to earth as a man and did what no man could do.

You see, when we break God's law, because God is infinitely holy, because God is infinite, when we break

God's law, it carries with it an infinite consequence. And so there's an infinite consequence when we break

God's law. We can never pay it. God being an eternal being, being an infinite being, came to earth.

Being infinite, he can pay an eternal fine. But being as a man, he came as a man so that he could not break

God's law. He did not break his own law. He lived as a human being, never sinning, never lying, never stealing, never lusting.

He kept the law perfectly so that he could be a sacrifice for you and I.

God himself came to earth for the explicit purpose of being a slave unto death and the death of the cross.

Because it is appointed unto us once to die and then the judgment, well

God himself came to earth to pay that judgment. God himself waited until the

Romans worked on one of the most horrific ways to kill a person. He didn't wait until lethal injection and take an easy way out.

He came and suffered under the cross to pay the fine that you and I owe.

Christ paid the fine that we might be set free.

Jesus Christ died on that cross being fully God, paying the eternal fine, also being fully man to pay the fine for men.

So we ask you, do you think you're good enough to go to heaven? If today you were one of the hundred and sixty thousand people that are going to die today and face eternity, do you think you would be good enough to go to heaven?

Have you ever, that's right, the light turned on, thanks Nick. So the reality is, would you be good enough to go to heaven?

Most people, in fact, every man -made religion, every man -made religion will teach you that you have to do good works to go to heaven.

There's actually only two religions in the entire world. If you look in the entire world, there's only two religions.

The religion of divine effort and the religion of human effort. And what we know about human beings is that human beings will always lift up their works to be the thing that gets counted.

So the way to know a man -made religion is to look to see if man's works are the element of getting right with God.

And what you find is that every single world religion except for one teaches that you get right with God by human effort.

Every world religion teaches morality except one. That one is what the

Bible teaches in Christianity. It teaches that God came to earth and did not, sir, why are you laughing?

You know the Bible back, what's your name, mate? My name is Amon Ra. Say again? Amon Ra. Amon Ra? Yes.

Okay, my name's Andrew. And I want you to speak from the trials and tribulations then, and we're just having this conversation.

Okay. You mind if I just repeat what you say? So others can hear? Okay. So you're just having this conversation.

So what was the conversation you were just having? We were talking about unity. Unity. All right.

Me and him were talking about unity. What's your name, mate? Elijah. Elijah. Okay, I thought it was yo.

I was going to be like, really? Your mom called you yo? Elijah. All right. All right. So we were having this conversation.

So you were talking about God. And we were talking about God, too. You were talking about God, too.

All right. Yeah, but I have a different view. You have a different view. All right. What's your view of God? God can never be in the skies.

You can never be in the skies? God can never be in the skies. Well, actually, what the Bible says is God's not in the skies.

He's omnipresent. He's everywhere. So he's not only in the skies, but he's here. He's in hell.

Okay. He's everywhere. Now, as somebody who deals with logic, do you understand how illogical that is?

Someone who deals with logic. Why is the idea of someone being everywhere present because he's outside of matter being illogical?

Because when you put he on it, you talk about something that's physical. Why? Do you know the definition of he?

You humanize God by using he. That's right. We use what's called... You attach the pronouns to him.

You make it a person. So for you to say that he's omnipresent, to attach he to it, is it not omnipresent?

We use anthropomorphisms to speak about God, to explain things you and I cannot understand. So when we say

God sees, he doesn't actually see the way you and I see through eyes. It's an anthropomorphism to explain to us so we can talk in language we understand.

He doesn't. We do the same thing with people that don't understand the same language as us. Okay. I want to continue.

All right. Talk up a little louder. I can't hear you. I am. All right. Everything in this earth is mapped out.

Everything in the earth is mapped out? Yes. It's 196 ,940 ,000 square miles of earth. Okay. Okay.

So the earth is really big. Yes. And I'm getting somewhere with that.

Okay. All right. Now, do you understand that, and I only can speak as a black man.

Okay. And I only brought race into this because it plays a big part in religion, actually. Okay. It plays a real big part in religion.

Yes. What would be your religious background? My religious background? Yeah. I was born a

Catholic. You were born Catholic? But I'm no longer a Catholic. Okay.

I am someone. I don't deal with religion, period. Okay. So you'd be more like a spiritualist, like you? Yes. Okay.

Spiritualist. Would that be fair? Yes. All right. All right. Okay. So you'd be a spiritualist. Yes. And now, do you understand when you preach the

Bible? Well, it was just... We came over here because I heard. But when you preach the...

Do you know that it was indoctrinated? What do you mean it was indoctrinated? Okay.

All right. First, the Bible, it was indoctrinated in slavery, right?

So for anybody with any type of melanin inside of them that believes in Jesus Christ, it's indoctrinated.

It means that it was placed upon them. It was not only placed upon them, but it was beat in them.

And then they, through Willie Lynch and all these different situations, it's a false hope.

They have false hope. You cannot believe in something other than yourself and expect something to get done. Because if you pray, it's 13 % of us.

It's 13... Hold on. Let me ask you a question. Where do you get this information from? I started off in third grade, but then

I did my own research on it. And that's what I'm trying to ask you, because you're saying stuff, but do you realize that Christianity has been around much longer than slavery?

It's only been around for 36 ,000 years, and 36 ,000 years is not a long time.

Before it was Christianity, it was... It was called

Judaism. Judaism, but see, Judaism is a concept other than Christianity, Buddhism, and Islam.

Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. Would you agree, Arun Rao, would you agree that every world religion teaches, basically seems to teach morality, teaches good works?

Oh, I would sometimes. Okay. This is the thing. Every world religion, and so you've done some research.

Unfortunately, I don't have any copies of my book, otherwise I'd give you one, because I wrote a book on world religions. So here's the thing. Every world religion, except for one, teaches that man, human beings, can earn their way to God, that man can do enough good to either become

God, or to be like God, or to earn God's righteousness. Every one except for one.

Christianity, what the Bible teaches, okay, when I say that, I'm talking biblical Christianity, not the tall chutes like Catholicism, which is what...

Because Catholicism, as you were raised, is another man -made religion, okay, because it bases it on human effort.

It's faith plus works. Anytime you add human works, you have a man -made religion. So what the

Bible says is God himself paid the fine. God himself left heaven, he came to earth, he died on a cross to pay the fine that you and I owe.

But, okay, this is my problem with that. I wasn't even born, so what the fuck crime did

I do? That makes no sense. Have you ever lied? Have I ever lied?

Yes. As a child, but not as an adult. As a child? Yeah, as a child. Only as a child. Yeah, I've never lied as an adult.

You've never lied since. I have morals. Morals, principles, and values. Where do you get those morals, principles, and values from?

Through different things that I try to be God -like. Okay, you're trying to be God -like because you get them from God, right?

God... Because if we're just chemical reactions, if we're just chemical reactions, chemical reactions don't produce a right and wrong, right?

They just are. Atoms do. Atoms are negative. No, they just... Those are chemical reactions.

If you make up a... They can't produce the immaterial, right? Oh, wow. That is also what you have been...

No. That's called research, called study, and called the fact that there's immaterial things that we have in the universe, like your morals.

They're not physical, are they? No. Okay. So here's the thing. Here's the thing.

I don't know. The thing is, is that when we look at it, okay, and we examine, we know there's right and wrong in things.

You and I both agree with that, right? But that only depends on what you believe in, because somebody, as somebody who murdered somebody does not think it's wrong at that present time.

Do you eat meat? Do you eat meat? Yeah, I'm a hunter. All right. So you eat meat. I'm a vegan. I think eating meat is wrong.

Okay. That means you... Yeah. So that only believes... So you might think it's wrong for me to eat meat.

I might think it's wrong for you not to eat meat. I don't think it is. I'm perfectly fine with vegan, but it's probably a healthier way to live, just saying, but that aside, all right, the reality is, is that you and I both have a sense of justice, don't we?

That's right. All right. And that's the thing. We get justice from God. Now here, here's the thing.

I get justice because I know right from wrong. And how do you know right from wrong? Because it's something that was, that I instilled into me, because as growing up, see, in order to, in order to be, in order to be...

So would you say that it's subjective there? Are you trying to say that, is there an absolute morality? No, I can't say that.

Okay. Would you say that it is, that the act of rape is always wrong?

Yes. Always? Yes. That's absolute then? You said you don't believe in absolutes.

Yeah. No, that's morally though, now you're speaking about morals. Exactly. Well, that's what we are talking about.

Justice is... Yeah, but a rape, a person who does rape is not going to feel the same way

I feel. That doesn't excuse him from doing so. I'm not saying that's not what...

No, that's not what I'm saying. No, no. It doesn't excuse, but the issue is that it's always wrong.

The act of rape is always wrong because God's not a rapist. That's what makes it always wrong.

So we have a standard for... Now, I understand that all of us, every single human being justifies the sin they do.

I mean, that's why we call it white lies or blue lies. You know what a blue lie is? Some are more in the

Asian countries, but a blue lie is when the police are willing to lie to put away a criminal, even though they know he's not wrong.

Because they think that the ends justify the means. It's called a blue lie. But what do we do? We justify what we do wrong.

If someone else does it... I don't think you would do this. You seem like a pretty nice guy.

You wouldn't probably steal from somebody. But you find if somebody was a thief and robbed from you, they would say it's okay.

But if you tried to do it to them, they would say it's wrong. Have you ever seen that? People can always see sin in someone else, but they don't see when they do the very same thing.

But we do know it's wrong. But in our conscience, if we keep doing wrong over and over and over, what we do is sear our conscience.

We try to convince ourselves that wrong is right. Can I ask you a question? Yeah, Elijah. What is right and what is wrong truthfully?

Okay, what is right and what is wrong truthfully? I would say that what's right and what's wrong is defined by the nature of God.

We get our sense of morality by God's nature.

So, why is rape wrong? Because God's not a rapist. Why is lying wrong? Because God's not a liar.

Can I ask you something? Yeah, you can ask me lots of things. Okay, so you say by God's nature, right? So, where did

God tell you this? Okay, so the question that Elijah asked is where did God tell me this? So, it's in his word, the

Bible that he wrote down. So, God wrote in his word, he wrote it down because that's the only objective way to communicate with his people.

If God gave us just feelings, a lot of people think that God speaks to them through feelings. But the reality is, if God just speaks through feelings, you feel different than me, right?

So, that's not an absolute standard. Can I ask you another question? He didn't answer the question.

He didn't, but I'm going to ask you another question. So, I'm going to ask you another question.

So, I asked you first and foremost, you know, I asked you first and foremost, you asked like what is right and wrong to you, truly.

And you referenced it to a book. No, this book, no, no, to the Bible, to the Bible, to the

Bible, whatever. So, where is it? So, this Bible, this Bible. So, you're making God. I haven't asked the question, this

Bible. You said God wrote this Bible, right? Okay, so where did this Bible come from?

May I ask you this? From God. Okay. Okay, so this book fell from the sky, right?

No, God wrote through people. He wrote through people. Who are these people? May I ask you this? Well, this, and this again, this is the thing that makes

Christianity and Judaism different than every other world religion. Every other world religion, what you see is you see people that write and create a religion and the religion they create is based on one person who writes it down.

Okay, what you end up seeing with Christianity is that the Bible was written by 40 different people, over 40 people, over 1 ,500 years, all different walks of life, no contradictions.

If I was to take 10 people at random out here and say, tell me about God, you'd probably get 12 different views.

Okay? But now they're interpreting the Bible and the way they see life. Now, if you're going to look at the

Bible, then you have to, first of all, you have to be objective when you look at the Bible. Yes, I agree with that. And if you don't, then you're going to interpret it the way that you think it's supposed to be.

And when you say it's no contradiction, that's like... Let me see if I get this straight. Are you saying that you think that the only reason

I believe the Bible and Christianity... Is because that's how you were taught. That's how I was taught, so that's how I was raised?

Yes. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, let me give you my background. This gentleman just said, Anra says, the reason

I believe in Christianity is because I was raised a Christian. I was raised to believe that Jesus Christ is

Hitler's God. I was raised Jewish. I was raised to hate

Jesus Christ. In my household, Jesus Christ was used to replace foul language.

In my household, my parents, when they found out that I became a

Christian, were going to bury an empty casket and I was going to be dead to them. That's how much they hate

Jesus Christ. So I was not raised believing in Christianity. I believe in Christianity because it is mathematically impossible to be wrong.

When you look at all of the prophecies in the Old Testament, given of Jesus Christ, and you start running the mathematical numbers, statistical impossibility is 10 to the 48th power.

You start running all those prophecies, it is mathematically impossible for Jesus Christ not to be the fulfillment of all those

Old Testament prophecies. That can't come about by chance. See, when you deal with chance, now you're dealing with...

The thing about that is nothing is new, everything is a cycle, everything is repeated.

How do you know that? Because the same things that happened 36 ,000 BCE is the same thing that happened in 2016.

Really? Yes. So we had the election a couple of days ago in 36 BC? So the reality is this.

The thing is that when we look at chances... This is why I talk statistically. You still never answered my question. I did, you just didn't like my answer.

Hold on, let me speak. Stop speaking over me. Stop speaking over me, hold on. Stop speaking over me. I asked you specifically, who are these specific men who wrote this book that you speak of?

Who are these men? Name them. Sure. If I can break them down. We got Moses, we got Paul, we got Peter.

These are fictional characters. Who wrote the Bible that you read? Okay, they're fictional characters. How do you know they're fictional characters?

How do you know that they're real? That's my question. Historical documents. Because the Bible... Where? Because I buy historical documents.

Sure. I've been looking for them. So here's how we understand... Okay, so here's how we look. When we look at what's called textual criticism, when we do higher criticism, textual criticism, what we look at is certain factors.

One, we want to see how many copies of a document we have. The more copies, the less chance of it being changed or edited.

How close do we have from the original writing to the earlier copies that we have? Why? Because the earlier it is, the less chance of any changes that could occur.

Third thing we want to know is geographically. Why? Because if I write a letter and I give both of you a copy of the letter and you guys both go to...

You go to Spain, you go to France and I go to England and we start making copies, but I'm kind of dyslexic so you guys have good copies but my copy has a spelling error.

But it's only in the England. You can quickly find out where the spelling error is by looking at the other geographical locations, okay?

So, when we look at the Bible, we start looking at copies of the Greek.

Now, looking at the Hebrew is actually... There's fewer problems with the Hebrew but in the

Greek, there's more copies that we have issues that we have to deal with. So when we look at the Greek, just looking at the

Bible, we have about... If we look in Greek and Hebrew, we start taking copies of the Bible. We start taking quotations from those.

We start taking the different times it was translated. We have over... It's about 70 ,000 copies.

But if you want to just stick with the Greek New Testament, okay, we have about 65, 66, 100.

We have copies of the Bible that are within 30 years of their original writing and they're all over the world.

Next closest thing we have in antiquity to that would be the Iliad with only 600 copies and 1 ,500 years from its original writing.

So... Well, hold on. He asked the historical. So when we do the historical, what we see is this is the most attested to that we can verify that this hasn't changed so that we can say this is from the time period.

Then you can go to outside writings. You can look at the Talmud which mentions Christ, mentions the leaders. You can look at the

Roman historians. You can look at Philo. You can look at Josephus. There were 13 historians living in 2016 years.

There was what? There was about minimum 50 historians. Yeah, there weren't many. But there was plenty.

And none of them mention anybody. Except we have Philo. He mentions him. None of the historians mention anybody.

Have you read that? Because I've read Philo. I've read Josephus. They both mention him. There's people who write down history and they don't mention anybody.

The Talmud mentions Jesus. Yeah, but... So, look. When we talk things...

Okay, but here's the thing, sir. You said none of them do. I've just given you several that have. He's talking about man -written books.

I'm talking about historians. They were writing... Amon Ra. Amon Ra, sorry. Amon Ra even nodded his head because he knows that they have written about him.

Yeah, they talked about him. They... Okay, so it is historical. All right, so that would be the answer to the question.

No, no, I just wanted to know who it was actually. So, just real quick. Let me just... Side note for a second. Here's the thing. Let me explain to some folks that weren't here earlier when you guys were.

The reason I come out is for this reason. I come out here in Union Square because I care for every single person out here.

Okay? Even Nick. I love Nick. Even though he gives me a hard time. But I still love him.

I'll still take him out for dinner later, probably. But here's the thing. The folks... I come out here because of this.

160 ,000 people are going to die today. That's a huge number.

Most of us plan for everything in life except what will happen a second after we die.

What will happen after we die? How do you plan for that? Well, I'll tell you how to plan for that.

God gave us a conscience so we know right from wrong. Sir, don't put your hand up. You don't want to turn away facts, do you?

It's over. That's it. How do you know that to be true? How do you know it's not? Well, no. But God came to Earth.

He knows different. No, no, no. He knows different. He knows different because not only did he die, he rose from the dead.

He came from Heaven to Earth. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What makes God...

What makes God that he... Elijah, hold on. Give me one second. So here's the thing. Here's the thing. Huh? You saw him rise?

I just went through the boat. Did you see him rise? You can't say he rose. Are you sure?

So you can only attest to things that you've seen? So is George Washington ever the first president? Did you see him?

No, you didn't see George Washington. That logic applies to all things.

I understand. That's why his logic doesn't fit. His logic doesn't fit. So here's the thing. Well, here's the thing.

Every one... Hold on one second. Every one of us, every one of us out here, including me, most of you out here are probably a far more moral person than I am.

Okay? But our morality is not going to get us right with God. Our morality can't do it.

That's what every false religion teaches. What God says is God himself came to earth.

We are bad. We are. But God is so good. God is so good that he died on a cross and paid the fine for us.

God did what we cannot do. God came to earth, lived as a perfect man.

He lived as a man that never sinned. Being fully God, he could pay the eternal fine. Being fully man, he could pay the fine of men.

That's what makes Jesus Christ unique among all of the false religions. Because God who cannot lie said so and it was said dead people don't do anything.

They certainly don't raise themselves from the dead. And so what we see is this. That what we look at is the fact that he rose from the dead proved everything that he said about himself.

It proves that he was God that he could raise himself from the dead.

So you idolize somebody else that he offers to you the forgiveness of sin that he offers to you.

So God offers to you eternal life today that if you turn from trusting your good works, if you turn from trusting yourself as a good person, you can have eternal life today.

I'm going to get down. I'm going to be here for a while so you can ask me questions. My buddy Mark is going to come up.

The dude's from California. He doesn't know what this weather is like. If he looks like he's overdressed this is new to him.

But give him the same respect. Thank you. Alright.

What's your name first of all? My name is Jeremiah. Jeremiah. My name is Mark. Am I your enemy first of all,

Jeremiah? Why should you be my enemy? I don't know you. Alright, one second. Very good. A person kills 13 people.

I don't have very good hearing. A person kills 13 people. Who kills 13 people? One guy kills 13 people.

Then he's about to be electrocuted and then he receives Christ. Does that mean he's going to heaven?

What does it mean to accept Christ? If he accepts Christ, is he going to heaven?

He doesn't need to be accepted. My question is what does it mean to accept? Alright, let me deal with this question.

A lot of times I visit a lot of universities. I've got a television program called

The Way of the Master. We're on the fifth season of our television show. I go to UCLA, USC, Berkeley, Pennsylvania.

I usually lecture on a subject that is a common objection against Christianity.

When I'm done lecturing, I take questions from the faculty and the students and I usually start off by saying

I believe Christianity is intelligent. People begin to shake their heads just like that.

People begin to laugh and I say I'm not your enemy because I have a different world view.

If you have a question I say step up to the microphone and as adults let's talk about it.

Usually I get a lot of level headed individuals that come up and say hey

I have some ad hoc questions some questions in the moment that I really would like to have some answers for.

Just a moment and then I have people that come out and they will say you know what

I'm not interested in the answers to my questions. I'm only interested in making you look foolish.

And I say hey you can do that that's not too hard. It's not too difficult to make me look foolish.

Now I believe that Christianity is true. Question what is truth?

And we start with that foundation. What is truth my friend? Truth is important I believe it.

You believe truth is important. Do I believe truth is important? I believe truth if you don't have truth then you shouldn't live.

If you don't have truth you shouldn't live. but Christianity cannot be true.

And I'm going to sit here and explain why. I'm going to just repeat so people can hear what you have to say. Christianity cannot be true because let's talk about 2015.

I was going to go back I was going to go back but I'm going to just talk about Madden Day. And try to let it be really quick just for the sake of people being able to hear in dialogue.

Alright Otherwise you can come up here and you can have your own monologue. That's totally cool and I'll listen. No, no. 339 black children died in 2015.

So where was God then? 339 I'll tell you there was a lot more children than that that died in 2015. I'm talking about black kids.

A lot more black children than that were killed in 2015. 4 ,500 die every single day.

I'm not all over the world I'm only here in America. I'm only speaking about right here

I'm dealing with America. This is America. 150 -160 ,000 people in general die every single day.

Okay. Yes. I understand that. But what I was talking about Okay, but still there where's

God then? I'm sorry? Where's God then? Where is God when something like that happens?

Okay. Good question. So the question is where's God when suffering takes place? When innocent children die?

Is that your question? Now somebody once said be careful with the questions that you ask because there's answers.

Not that I have all the answers but when we speak when we dialogue we expect each other to be honest.

Somebody once said listen a lie might comfort someone but in the end what we face is truth.

Now I just gave a lecture twice this year on this subject at two different secular universities.

Yeah, yeah. I have an

Old Testament question that I'd like to ask you. An Old Testament question? Old Testament. Okay, I'm not an

Old Testament scholar but I'll do my best. Okay. What is your name? My name is Saul Garcia. Saul Garcia, okay.

Nice to meet you. Yes, sir. Good to meet you. In the beginning God created everything. Yes, sir.

In the beginning God created everything. He created Adam He created Eve. Yes. They brought children.

Yes. Cain and Abel. Cain and Abel. Cain and Abel. Yes. Cain kills

Abel. Cain killed Abel. Yes, he did. Cain is marked and banished to wherever he goes.

Yes. How does Cain take wife and have children? Yes. And there is only Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel.

Abel is dead. There's only three people left. Okay. Even if they had other children he was banished out completely never to return.

Yes. Not in the beginning but here's your question. How did he have children? Let me repeat your question for others to hear it. Okay. In the beginning

God created the heavens and the earth. He created the world and everything in it within six literal days.

I believe that this planet we live in is not 4 .5 billion years old as a lot of scientists attest to.

I believe in literal days that the world is right around 6 ,000 years old.

Now God created Adam and then he put Adam in a deep sleep removed a rib and created

Eve. They had kids. How many kids do they have? Cain and Abel.

Cain and Abel. Yes. The Bible tells us everything we need to know about God and our dealings with God and our dealings with mankind here on earth.

In fact the Gospel of John it says these things were written for a specific purpose so that you may know that Jesus is the

Son of God and that you may have life in His name. In fact it goes on to say that there are many other miracles that Jesus performed but these specific things were written for a specific purpose.

Okay. Wait a minute. I'm building a foundation. Each book of the

Bible is written for a specific purpose. They are historical narratives of exactly what went down.

Were there other things that went down? Yes. Why doesn't the Bible talk about every time

Jesus had a meal? It doesn't need to. It tells us everything we need to know.

So Cain and Abel. Abel dies. Where does

Cain get his wife? So the answer is really simple.

Adam and Eve had many children and the children that we know about are the children we need to know about.

So many kids living over many years without a cesspool within the gene pool it would be acceptable for children siblings to marry each other and that's exactly what happened.

So when Adam and Eve had kids who's to say the kids did not spread out?

People today we have kids they spread out. They don't all stay with us. So the answer is very simple.

They married he married as they all did relatives from mom and dad.

That's the answer. He was still marked. Not necessarily no.

So he was marked in the sense that he cannot be killed he cannot be murdered and that's all it tells us.

But good question. If anybody has any other questions please step up.

What is your name? Luis. Luis good to meet you my name is Mark. Are you a

Christian Luis? You are okay. How long have you been a Christian? Since I was born.

You were born a Christian? Yes. Is that possible? Almost. Are you born again?

Sorry? Are you born again? Jesus said unless a man is born again he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

R .A. Torrey once responded and he said unless a man is born again he's gonna wish one day he was never born at all.

So my question for you are you born again? And if you are what does it mean? Okay.

you're not I'm gonna tell you. Okay. I have not thought about that.

And your name is Luis, is that correct? Yes. Okay Luis. Luis, would you consider yourself to be a good person?

Okay. I think I'm not a good person to make judgments about myself.

Right. I think I've been trying lately like last years to become better.

So you're trying to be a better person? Yeah. You wouldn't call yourself a great person? Yeah. You wouldn't call yourself an evil person?

Yeah. You're somewhere in between somewhere in the middle? Maybe. Okay. You probably are. You're probably even better than myself.

But is it fair to say that neither you nor I can come up with a really good and perfect definition of good?

If you might think you're good and I might think I'm good can we both be right even though our definitions are opposite?

Yeah. They can't. Can they? Somebody might think that being good is providing for their family.

Somebody else would think hey being good is not providing for their family. In fact let me abuse my children somebody might say.

As weird as that is. In fact if that person were to say I'm only good if I'm abusing my kids you and I would say hey man that's not good right?

But why do we say that? Where do we get that from? I believe we take that for granted.

I believe that God has given every man woman and child a conscience where we know right from wrong.

Now you've heard of the Ten Commandments I would imagine. Do you think you're good enough to get to heaven?

No I don't think so. You don't think so? Okay. I would have to be a better person.

Alright. So what have you done that has made God say you're not going to heaven?

If you're to get into heaven you're going to go to hell. Why would God say that to you? If you're not good enough to get to heaven then you're bad enough to get to hell right?

What have you done that's so bad? Purgatory?

Is that the word? word is purgatory that place in the middle? Yeah it doesn't exist.

It doesn't exist. That's not in the Bible. That is our source of authority right?

Jesus said sanctify them by your word your word is truth. So if we want truth we go to God's word.

Now you know you consider all the major religions of the world they all claim to point to truth right?

In the Hindu scriptures the Vedas it says that truth is mysterious it's elusive and it's hard to find.

Buddha said that he was searching for the truth. Muhammad perhaps you're a

Muslim here today I'm not your enemy but if you're a Muslim you realize that Muhammad he said that he pointed to the truth that's very noble however

Jesus he enters onto the scene he didn't speak from authority like the rest of the prophets he spoke with authority in fact the

Bible says that no man has ever spoke like this man and he didn't say that truth was elusive mysterious or hard to find he didn't say he was searching for the truth and he didn't say that he pointed to the truth he said

I am the way the truth and the life and then he made these very provocative words no man comes to the father but through me those are crazy words people heard those words and they tried to kill him because people knew the

Jews knew that he was putting himself on the same level as God because it says who can forgive sins but God alone now the commandments

I mentioned that earlier how many lies do you think you've told over the course of your life that's the ninth commandment it says you shall not bear false witness how many lies my friend many you've lost count the eighth commandment it says you shall not steal how many things do you think you've stolen over the course of your life give me a ballpark alright so you've done it so what does that make you what do you call someone who tells lies and what do you call someone that steals things a thief so what what are you you're a lying thief just like a lot of other people right yeah here's the commandment that got me

Jesus said you've heard it said that you shall not commit adultery but I say to you whoever looks at a woman with sexual desire in their heart has committed adultery what

Jesus was establishing was not only does God see the actions that we commit but he sees the intentions of our heart and the thoughts of our mind sixth commandment you're gonna feel pretty safe with this one

I think you shall not murder have you ever killed anyone thank you however remember we talk about Jesus who sees the intentions of the heart and the thoughts of the mind he said whoever has hatred in their heart towards his brother is a murderer ever been in a fight you ever hated someone for something that they've done there's a lot of injustice out there in the world hatred in and of itself is not evil it's what you do with that hatred my friend we can be angry it's okay to be angry the

Bible says be angry but then it says be angry but don't sin

Jesus was angry he got he was angry with the people he overturned the tables

Jesus was angry it's okay to be angry what do we do with that anger third commandment you shall not use the name of the

Lord your God in vain have you ever used God's name in vain it's called blasphemy where you don't give honor and credit to the one who made you you think of how

God has lavished his love upon us to enjoy sunsets and surfing

I'm from Los Angeles I'll be there tomorrow morning God willing and sex it's a beautiful thing designed by God for procreation and recreation

God designed it God is not this cosmic killjoy who wants to suck the fun out of all of his creation no

God he knows what he's doing he created these things and they're wonderful have you ever used

God's name in vain yeah it kind of slips off of our lips doesn't it we don't even think about it we stub our toe and we go oh my

God for Jesus Christ in a way that's not honoring to him now if God judges you on judgment day my friend bearing in mind that you are a liar and a thief an adulterer possibly a murderer if you've had hatred but a blasphemer for certain that's not me judging you that's you merely confessing who you are you know in John chapter 3 verse 16 it's a very famous verse it says for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but shall possess eternal life a lot of people stop there but there's another verse the next verse it talks about how

God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world why not because they were condemned already you my friend are already condemned you're condemned by virtue of the fact that you confessed that you've fallen short of God's glory by breaking his law it merely demonstrates that you are like everybody else you have sinned but the bible says the wages of sin is death you deserve the death penalty isn't that crazy we think man

I'm not as bad as that guy I'm not as bad as her some people think that Donald Trump is

Adolf Hitler incarnate right you go to Trump Tower and you're going to hear some very ferocious things go down here a couple blocks right now we think that maybe

God has a special place in his prison hell for people like Donald Trump or Adolf Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot or that person who did that evil thing to me when

I was six years old but God says listen raping is wrong kidnapping is wrong murdering is wrong but he doesn't stop there he says lying lips are an abomination to me he says no liar will inherit the kingdom of God he says his enemies use his name in vain and he will not hold him guiltless who uses his name in vain meaning you'll be found guilty he doesn't need to make up anything the eyes of the

Lord are in every place keeping watch of the good as well as the evil this is why the

Bible says it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living

God so does it concern you my friend that if God judges you that God would send you to hell and he would be just in doing so does that concern you at all yes it does that my friend is the first step that all of humanity and all of people here need to take it's a step of admission in fact you have to come to the place where you admit it

I deserve God's punishment and his wrath

I deserve to go to hell you're not too proud to admit that yet there's a lot of people that are the next step listen do you have any idea my friend what

God did so you would not have to go to hell any idea the

Bible says that God is not willing for any to perish but that all shall come to repentance we'll get to that in a moment but you my friend have any idea what

God did so you would not have to go to hell a terrible place what did

God do no not in the future what he did in the past he did something so remarkable that it changed time he sent his son

God the father sent his son Jesus Christ born of a virgin two thousand years ago

Jesus Christ he lived a perfect life Jesus he never lied he never stole he never looked with lust he lived a perfect life and then listen

Luis he was unjustly condemned to die on a

Roman cross to pay for what they thought were his sins but it wasn't his sins that he was going to atone for it was the sins of others do you have any idea why they put him to death what were the charges against Jesus Christ any idea a lot of people don't know and I don't blame you for that I'm gonna share with you why

Jesus Christ he claimed to be God and it was necessary for God to come because without the shedding of blood there's no remission of sins and without the perfect sinless body of Christ we cannot make it to heaven when

Jesus died on that cross the full wrath of the father of the judge of the universe came down upon his son

Jesus Christ he spared no expense and when that wrath came down upon his son

Jesus absorbed it like a sponge would absorb water and he absorbed the wrath of the father and when he died on that cross he cried out these words paid in full what does that mean it would be like you entering into a courtroom you're guilty of breaking the law somebody you don't know in fact the judge himself steps in he holds you in contempt you're guilty and then the judge takes off his robe and he pays your fine because you cannot pay the fine yourself that's what happened

Jesus claimed to have the ability to forgive sins and they said who can forgive sins but God alone and so they tried to kill him eventually they did but they really didn't some people have called it cosmic suicide he laid down willingly his life for his sheep and when

Jesus died on that cross he took upon the wrath of the father he said paid in full he paid a debt he did not owe because you my friend owe a debt you could never pay and if you would be willing to repent and to place your trust in Jesus Christ alone you will be given a free gift repent it's the

Greek word metanoia it means to change your mind at this moment in your life you have already agreed that you deserve to be punished now you turn to God you've done admission now it's time for confession you confess not to me

I'm not your priest you don't need to priest you have the high priest the king of kings and the lord of lords you go to him in faith and you say

I have broken your law I deserve to be punished I don't want to go to hell but more than that I want to have fellowship with the one who made me you see

God knows all about you and he still cares about you and he still has a plan for you where do you go from here repentance you agree with God that you're wrong and his way is right and now second step you place your trust in him my friend the way you would a parachute if you're gonna jump 10 ,000 feet out of a plane you're gonna put that parachute on right you're gonna check the straps you're gonna make sure it's secure before you jump there's a jump coming it's called death every person you know is going to face it we are all part of the ultimate statistic 10 out of 10 of us are gonna die someday you are gonna go face to face with death now you do not have to go face to face alone repentance and faith repentance and faith what do you need to do

I just said it to get right with God the two things are repentance and faith when

Luis are you going to do that when are you gonna get right with God a little louder

I can't hear you right how old are you 25 cemeteries are filled with young people youth is no guarantee of old age wouldn't make sense to get right with God today in fact that's what the

Bible says today is the day of salvation in fact today is the day to prepare for your last day if you live each day as if it's your last one day you'll be right you can die today and I hope that's not the case

I hope that doesn't happen my friend repentance and faith that's what you need to do it's as simple as this and I'll leave you with this because I know your time is valuable today can be the day that you die and I'll probably never see you again

I'm catching a flight at 5 o 'clock in the morning tomorrow to go back to Los Angeles who knows if I'll make the flight but I'm ready for a different flight a flight where he's going to pull me up and I'll see him face to face and I'm in love with someone

I've never seen I'm in love with a voice I've never heard but he speaks to us through his words so my encouragement to you is to cry out to God to have mercy on you and I guarantee you that God will have mercy on you and he'll be gracious to you and he'll give you what you don't deserve that's grace and he'll be merciful to you which means he'll hold back that which you do deserve and he will not give you justice which has given you what you deserve if you come to him on his terms it's

Jesus Christ or it's nothing he's the way the truth and the life the

Bible says at the name of Jesus every knee will bow and at the name of Jesus every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ he is the glory of God himself and it will bring glory to God because of so so my friend

I won't see you again probably right I don't gain brownie points I don't share

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I need to know more." And Jesus said, no, go home to your family and tell them what great things God has done. And all he had was his testimony.

And he went with God to his family. Listen, you can do the same.

Speak up, speak out. If not you, then who? And if not now, then when? Warren Wearsby said, you're a

Christian because somebody cared enough to share and now it's your turn to return the favor, to pay it forward.

Some people say, hey, I'm willing to open air. I'm willing to go door to door. I'm willing to hand out gospel tracts should

God call me to go. But in the meantime, I'm going to stay. I'm going to stay right here. Well, Jim Elliott, who died at the hands of him, of whom he was trying to reach, he said, why do you need a voice when you have a verse?

When you have a verse that says, go into the highways, byways, and the getaways, hey, listen, preach the gospel to every creature.

Preach the gospel while you still can. We live in a hostile world. It's getting darker by the second, but you are the light of the world.

Don't hide that light. Let it shine. Let it shine. He is worthy. Worthy is the lamb to receive the reward of his suffering, my friends.

Speak up. Today's the day. Today's the day to prepare for your last day. So God bless you.

Thank you guys for listening. We're going to sign off now. I take it, Andrew. Any of you guys figure out why we love listening to Mark Spence, right?