Trump Protest Rally vs Open Air Preachers Andrew Rappaport and Mark Spence

So here we are in Union Square in New York City, just to give you an idea of what it's like.

This is what we're going to be dealing with tonight.

So you guys get a good idea.

This is the anti -Trump protest.

They're going to be marching around.

Very, very angry groups.

You cannot really have dialogues with them.

But this is what it's going to be like for the next several weeks, probably, here

in the city when trying to evangelize.

The folks here are very, very angry.

But then we have New York's Finest.

Always thank you, guys.

Thank you.

Thank you, guys.

It's always nice to know that at least we have the protection.

But you'll see lots of smaller protests.

Here are some folks here.

So what you see is they were shouting,

love Trump's hate, my body, my choice, but

not my president.

And basically what you see is that they're very upset because America has democracy

and fascism.

Yeah, that's basically it.

And so we did not have a fascist government who took over, and I guess I'm unhappy about that.

But we have a different kind of government where we actually vote and people get to select

their president.

And they're unhappy about it, and they're showing it.

The interesting thing is that we live in a country where they have that right to do that.

And if they actually got their way and silenced everyone else, they wouldn't have that freedom of speech, would they?

By the way, also, I'll just show this.

This is our regular spot.

We usually do all of our open -air preaching up behind that tower.

But you see all these buildings that we got here.

They've blocked it all off.

They've blocked off this area here, which is the fountain.

So we're not sure we're going to stick around and do any preaching here because, well, first off, there's nowhere to preach too

much.

And the crowd may get a little bit violent tonight.

We'll see.

So, yeah.

So there's a—let's see.

We'll get that over there with the hat on.

That's our regular heckler, Nick.

He's not really a good heckler, actually.

He thinks he really knows Christianity, and he thinks he's really smart, and he's not.

So—but we're going to see whether we're going to be preaching in the midst of fistfights or not.

Just going to find out.

So the nice thing about this spot is that's the subway spot right there, so

you get a lot of foot traffic, at least.

And if we kind of get into this little area here, we might be able to get a crowd.

One of the things that's nice about it is our heckler over there, Nick, did already ask me.

He said, so where are you guys going to be preaching?

Why?

Because, well, he wants to heckle.

And so that's the nice thing about being here is we have regular hecklers.

So if we move to a spot, I'll just let them know where we're going to be, and they'll come over to heckle and help us get a

crowd.

So here's Jen.

Get a shot of Jen.

Jen is always handing out tracks.

Jen can hand out tracks anywhere and start conversations with anyone.

That's—oh, that's Mark Spence.

Look, it's David Wood.

What do you need this on for?

Isn't this California weather?

This is like my nicest jacket.

It's not waterproof.

There's nothing to it.

California was 100 degrees yesterday in California.

Yeah.

Welcome to New York.

Yeah.

And we have the man, the legend.

Look up and say hi.

Hi.

That's Eddie the Legend.

Union Square.

Pastor Andrews is getting ready to preach.

We're out here today to share with you some good news.

Something we need in times like this is some good news.

I want to read to you something from someone who has written that cannot lie.

This is coming from someone that it's impossible for this person to lie.

And he says the fool says in his heart there is no God.

Why does he say this?

This is written by God, the one who created all of us.

He says the fool says in his heart there is no God.

Why would he say that for this reason?

To say that God does not exist is to say that you use your

God -given ability to reason to deny the God that gave you an ability to reason.

That would be foolish.

Now for any out here who would say that God does not exist, you have to come to terms with the question

of where do we get this immaterial ability to reason.

Reason is not something that we can do purely from chemical reactions.

The ability to reason is God -given.

And God gives us this ability to reason.

God says that he has not only given us that, but he's given us a conscience so that every one of us

out here knows that God exists and every one of us out here knows something about that

God.

We can look at God's design and know that there is a God who is a great creator.

He is concerned about detail.

We can look at our own hearts and know that God has given us a conscience.

He gives us a knowledge between right and wrong.

He gives us an ability to know that things like lying is wrong.

Stealing is wrong.

You're going to be here in the park and you're going to see on the other side, or maybe marching through, you're going to see people that are

protesting.

Why do they protest?

They protest because they feel that there's some injustice that was done.

That's why they're protesting.

But ask this, if there is no God, how could there be justice or injustice?

In fact, if there was no God, we would just be chemical reactions so the fact that we

can understand a system of justice is how we know there is a God.

We know that not only that, but the fact that we know justice is we know there's right and there's wrong.

We know when we do something wrong, we know it's wrong.

We have guilt.

God gives us that guilt.

It's actually a gift so that we would know that we do wrong before a holy God that we might come

to him in repentance.

That we might come to him in recognizing that we break the law.

That we might come to him because it is against God that we break

the law.

See, God created everything good.

Thank you.

God created everything good.

But back in the garden, Adam and Eve broke God's law, violated his law,

and brought sin into the world so that the entire universe has failing the effect of sin.

And because of that, we all suffer sin.

We see it all around us.

I mean, turn on the news and you see the effects of sin.

Walk around this city and you see the effects of sin.

We're out here to share good news with you.

Because though there is sin in the world, Dude, I love the kilt, sir.

Love the kilt.

Thank you.

This is cold weather for a man to wear a kilt.

That's a good thing.

So, not too many people wear those anymore.

So the thing is, folks, we're out here to share with you because God said

that even though we broke his law, we've broken his law.

And I thank you.

I stand up for love and that's what I'm preaching.

The fact is that God so loved the world that he came to

earth as a man and did what no man could do.

You see, when we break God's law, because God is infinitely holy, because God is

infinite, when we break God's law, it carries with it an infinite consequence.

And so if there's an infinite consequence, when we break God's law, we can never

pay it.

God being an eternal being, being an infinite being, came to earth.

Being infinite, he can pay an eternal fine.

But being as a man, he came as a man so that he could not break God's law.

He did not break his own law.

He lived as a human being, never sinning, never lying, never stealing, never

lusting.

He kept the law perfectly so that he could be a sacrifice for you and I.

God himself came to earth for the explicit purpose of being a slave unto death

and the death of the cross.

Because it is appointed unto us once to die and then the judgment.

Well, God himself came to earth to pay that judgment.

God himself waited until the Romans worked on one of the most horrific

ways to kill a person.

He didn't wait until lethal injection and take an easy way out.

He came and suffered under the cross to pay the fine

that you and I owe.

Christ paid the fine that we might be set free.

Jesus Christ died on that cross being fully God, paying the eternal fine,

also being fully man to pay the fine for men.

So we ask you, do you think you're good enough to go to heaven?

If today you were one of the 160 ,000 people that are going to

die today and face eternity, do you think you would be good enough to go

to heaven?

Have you ever...

That's right, the light turned on.

Thanks, Nick.

So the reality is, would you be good enough to go to heaven?

Most people, in fact, every man -made religion,

every man -made religion will teach you that you have to do good works to go to

heaven.

There's actually only two religions in the entire world.

If you look in the entire world, there's only two religions.

The religion of divine effort and the religion of human effort.

And what we know about human beings is that human beings will always lift up their works

to be the thing that gets counted.

So the way to know a man -made religion is to look to see if man's works are the element of

getting right with God.

And what you find is that every single world religion, except for one,

teaches that you get right with God by human effort.

Every world religion teaches morality except one.

That one is what the Bible teaches in Christianity.

It teaches that God came to earth and did...

Now, sir, why are you laughing?

Because...

I'm only going to speak...

Okay.

I know the Bible back and forth.

You know the Bible back and forth?

What's your name, mate?

My name is Amin Ra.

Say again?

Amin Ra.

Amin Ra?

Yes.

Okay, my name's Andrew.

All right.

And I want you to speak from the trials and tribulations,.

And we're just having this conversation.

Okay.

Do you mind if I just repeat what you say?

So others can hear?

Okay.

So you're just having this conversation.

So what was the conversation you were just having?

We were talking about unity.

Unity.

All right.

Me and him were talking about unity.

What's your name, mate?

Elijah.

Elijah.

Okay, I thought it was yo.

I was going to be like, really?

Your mom called you yo?

Elijah.

All right.

So we were having this conversation, so you were talking about God, and we were talking about God, too.

You were talking about God, too, all right.

Yeah, but I have a different view.

You have a different view?

All right.

What's your view of God?

God can never be in the skies.

That you can never be in the skies?

No, God can never be in the skies.

Well, actually, what the Bible says is God's not in the skies.

He's omnipresent.

He's everywhere.

So he's not only in the skies, but he's here.

He's in hell.

He's everywhere.

Now, as somebody who deals with logic, do you understand how illogical that is?

Someone who deals with logic.

Why is the idea of someone being everywhere present because he's outside of matter being illogical?

Because when you put he on it, you talk about something that's physical.

Why?

Because the—do you know the definition of—.

You humanize God by using he.

That's right.

We use what's called— You attach the pronouns to him.

You make it a person.

So for you to say that he's omnipresent, to attach he to it, makes it not omnipresent.

We use anthropomorphisms to speak about God, to explain things you and I cannot understand.

So when we say God sees, he doesn't actually see the way you and I see through eyes.

It's an anthropomorphism to explain to us so we can talk in language we understand he doesn't.

We do the same thing with people that don't understand the same language as us.

I want to continue.

Talk up a little louder.

I can't hear you.

Everything in this earth is mapped out.

Everything in the earth is mapped out?

Yes.

It's 196 ,940 ,000 square miles of earth.

So the earth is really big.

Yes.

And I'm getting somewhere with that.

Now, do you understand that—and I only can speak as a black man.

And I only brought race into this because it plays a big part in religion, actually.

It plays a real big part in religion.

What would be your religious background?

My religious background?

I was born a Catholic.

You were born Catholic?

But I'm no longer a Catholic.

I am someone—I don't deal with religion, period.

So you'd be more like a spiritualist?

Yes.

Okay, spiritualist, would that be fair?

Yes.

All right.

So you'd be a spiritualist.

Yes.

And now, you understand when you preach the Bible—well,

it was just—we came over here because I heard.

But when you preach the—do you know that it was indoctrinated?

What do you mean it was indoctrinated?

Okay, all right.

First, it was

indoctrinated in slavery, right?

So for anybody with any type of melanin inside of them that

believes in Jesus Christ, it's indoctrinated.

It means that it was placed upon them.

It was not only placed upon them, but it was beat in them.

And then they—through Willie Lynch and all these different situations,

it's a false hope.

They have false hope.

You cannot believe in something other than yourself and expect something to get done.

Because if you pray, it's 13 percent of us.

Let me ask you a question.

Where do you get this information from?

I started off in third grade, but then I did my own research on it.

And that's what I'm trying to ask you, because you're saying stuff, but do you realize that Christianity has been around much

longer than slavery?

It's only been around 36 ,000 years, and 36 ,000 years is not a long time.

Before it was Christianity, it was—.

It was called Judaism.

Judaism, but see, Judaism is a concept other than Christianity, Buddhism, and

Islam.

So let me ask you this.

Let me ask you this.

Would you agree, Arun Ra, would you agree that every world religion teaches—basically seems to

teach morality, teaches good works?

Sometimes.

Okay, this is the thing.

Every world religion—so you've done some research.

Unfortunately, I don't have any copies of my book, otherwise I'd give you one, because I wrote a book on world religions.

So here's the thing.

Every world religion, except for one, teaches that man, human beings,

can earn their way to God.

That man can do enough good to either become God, or to be like God, or to

earn God's righteousness.

Every one except for one.

Christianity, what the Bible teaches—.

Okay, when I say that, I'm talking biblical Christianity, not the offshoots like Catholicism, which is what—.

Because Catholicism, as you were raised, is another man -made religion.

Okay, because it bases it on human effort.

It's faith plus works.

Anytime you add human works, you have a man -made religion.

So what the Bible says is God himself paid the fine.

God himself left heaven, he came to earth, he died on a cross to pay the fine that you and I

owe.

Okay, this is my problem with that.

I wasn't even born, so what the fuck crime did I do?

That makes no sense.

Have you ever lied?

Have I ever lied?

Yes.

As a child, but not as an adult.

As a child?

Yeah, as a child.

Only as a child?

Yeah, I've never lied as an adult.

Never lied since?

I have morals.

Morals, principles, and values.

Okay.

Where do you get those morals, principles, and values from?

Through different things that try to be God -like.

Okay, you're trying to be God -like because you get them from God.

Because if we're just chemical reactions, chemical reactions don't produce a right and wrong.

Right?

They just are.

Atoms do.

Atoms are negative.

No, those are chemical reactions.

They can't produce the immaterial, right?

Oh, wow.

That is also what you have been taught, or what you have believed in.

No.

How not?

That's called research, called study, and called the fact that there's immaterial things that we have in the universe.

Like your morals.

They're not physical, are they?

No.

No.

Okay.

So here's the thing.

Here's the thing.

I don't know.

The thing is, is that when we look at it, okay, and we examine, we

know there's right and wrong in things.

You and I both agree with that, right?

Yeah, but that only depends on what you believe in.

Because somebody, and somebody who murdered somebody does not think it's wrong at that present time.

Do you eat meat?

Yeah, I'm a hunter.

All right.

So you eat meat.

I'm a vegan.

I think eating meat is wrong.

Okay.

That means you, so that only believes in what you believe in.

So you might think it's wrong for me to eat meat.

I might think it's wrong for you not to eat meat.

I don't think it is.

I'm perfectly fine with vegan.

But it's probably a healthier way to live, just saying.

But, but that aside, all right, the reality is, is that you and I both have a sense

of justice, don't we?

That's right.

All right.

And that's the thing.

We get justice from God.

Now here, here's the thing.

I get justice because I know right from wrong.

And how do you know right from wrong?

Because it's something that was, that I instilled into me.

Because as growing up, see, in order to, in order to be, in order to be….

So would you say that it's subjective then?

Are you trying to say that, is there an absolute morality?

No, I can't say that.

Okay.

Would you say that it is, that the act of rape is always wrong?

Yes.

Always?

Yes.

That's absolute then?

You said you don't believe in absolutes.

Yeah.

No, that's morally though, now you're speaking about morals.

Exactly.

Well, that's what we are talking about.

Justice is, justice is….

You know, a rape, a person who does rape is not going to feel the same way I feel.

That doesn't excuse him from doing so.

I'm not saying that's not what….

Oh wow.

No, that's not what I'm saying.

No, no.

It doesn't excuse, but the issue is that it's always wrong.

The act of rape is always wrong because God's not a rapist.

That's what makes it always wrong.

So we have a standard for….

Now, I understand, I understand that all of us, every single human being

justifies the sin they do.

I mean, that's why we call it white lies or blue lies.

You know what a blue lie is?

It's more in the Asian countries.

But a blue lie is when the police are willing to lie to put away a criminal even though they know he's not wrong.

Because they think that, yeah, because they think the ends justify the means.

It's called a blue lie.

But what do we do?

We justify what we do wrong if someone else does it.

I don't think you would do this.

You seem like a pretty nice guy.

You wouldn't probably steal from somebody.

But you find if somebody was a thief and robbed from you, they would say it's okay.

But if you tried to do it to them, they would say it's wrong.

Right?

Have you ever seen that?

People can always see sin in someone else, but they don't see when they do the very same thing.

But we do know it's wrong.

But in our conscience, if we keep doing wrong over and over and over, what we do is sear our conscience.

We try to convince ourselves that wrong is right.

Can I ask you a question?

Yeah, Elijah.

What is right and what is wrong truthfully?

Okay, what is right and what is wrong truthfully?

I would say that what's right and what's wrong is defined by the nature of God.

We get our sense of morality by God's nature.

So why is rape wrong?

Because God's not a rapist.

Why is lying wrong?

Because God's not a liar.

Can I ask you something?

Yeah, you can ask me lots of things.

Okay, so you say by God's nature, right?

So where did God tell you this?

Okay, so the question that Elijah asked is where did God tell me this?

So it's in his word, the Bible, that he wrote down.

So God wrote in his word.

He wrote it down because that's the only objective way to communicate with his people.

If God gave us just feelings, a lot of people think that God speaks to them through feelings.

But the reality is, if God just speaks through feelings, you feel different than me, right?

So that's not an absolute standard.

Can I ask you another question?

Yeah, but he didn't answer the question.

He didn't, but I'm going to ask you another question.

So I'm going to ask you another question.

So I asked you, first and foremost,

what is right and wrong to you, truly?

And you referenced it to a book.

No, to the Bible, whatever.

So where is it?

So this Bible.

So you're making God.

I haven't asked the question.

This Bible.

You said God wrote in this Bible, right?

Okay, so where did this Bible come from?

May I ask you this?

From God.

Okay.

Okay, so this book fell from the sky, right?

No, God wrote through people.

He wrote through people.

Who are these people?

May I ask you this?

Well, and this is, again, this is the thing that makes Christianity and Judaism different than every other world

religion.

Every other world religion, what you see is you see people that write and create a religion, and the religion they create

is based on one person who writes it down.

Okay, what you end up seeing with Christianity is that the Bible was written by 40 different people,

over 40 people, over 1 ,500 years, all different walks of life, no contradictions.

If I was to take 10 people at random out here and say, tell me about God, you'd probably get 12 different views.

Okay?

But now they're interpreting the Bible and the way they see life.

Now, if you're going to look at the Bible, then you have to, first of all, you have to be objective when you look at the Bible.

Yes, I agree with that.

And if you don't, then you're going to interpret it the way that you think it's supposed to be.

And when you say it's no contradiction, that's right.

Let me see if I get this straight.

Are you saying that you think that the only reason I believe the Bible and Christianity is because that's how you were

taught?

That's how I was taught, so that's how I was raised?

Yes.

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, let me give you my background.

This gentleman just said, An -Ra says, the reason I believe in Christianity is because I was raised a Christian.

I was raised to believe that Jesus Christ is Hitler's God.

I was raised Jewish.

I was raised to hate Jesus Christ.

In my household, Jesus Christ was used to replace foul language.

In my household, my parents, when they found out that I became a Christian, were

going to bury an empty casket and I was going to be dead to them.

That's how much they hate Jesus Christ.

So I was not raised believing in Christianity.

I believe in Christianity because it is mathematically impossible to be

wrong.

When you look at all of the prophecies in the Old Testament given of Jesus Christ,

and you start running the mathematical numbers, statistical impossibility is 10 to the

48th power.

You start running all those prophecies, it is mathematically impossible for

Jesus Christ not to be the fulfillment of all those Old Testament prophecies.

That can't come about by chance.

See, when you deal with chance, you're starting, now you're dealing with, you can

see, the thing about that is,

nothing is new.

Everything is a cycle.

Everything is repeated.

How do you know that?

Because the same things that happened 36 ,000 BCE is the same thing that happened in 2016.

Really?

Yes.

So we had the election a couple days ago in 36 BC?

So the reality is this.

The thing is that when we look at chances, this is why I talk statistically.

You still never answered my question.

I did.

You just didn't like my answer.

You asked me where I am.

Hold on. Let me speak.

Stop speaking over me.

Stop speaking over me.

Hold on.

Stop speaking over me.

I asked you specifically, who are these specific men who wrote this book that you speak of?

Who are these men?

Name them.

Sure.

So I can break them down.

We've got Moses, we've got Paul, we've got Peter.

These are fictional characters.

Who wrote the Bible that you read?

They're fictional characters.

How do you know they're fictional characters?

How do you know that they're real?

That's my question.

Historical documents.

Where?

Where?

Where?

Because I buy historical documents.

Sure.

Where?

I've been looking for them.

So here's how we understand.

So here's how we look.

When we look at what's called textual criticism, when we do higher criticism, textual criticism, what we look at is certain factors.

One, we want to see how many copies of a document we have.

The more copies, the less chance of it being changed or edited.

How close do we have from the original writing to the earlier copies that we have?

Why?

Because the earlier it is, the less chance of any changes that could occur.

Third thing we want to know is geographically.

Why?

Because if I write a letter, and I give both of you a copy of the letter, and you guys both go to Spain, you go to France,

and I go to England, and we start making copies, but I'm kind of dyslexic, so you guys have good copies, but

my copy has a spelling error.

But it's only in England.

You can quickly find out where the spelling error is by looking at the other geographical locations.

Okay?

So when we look at the Bible, we start looking at copies of the Greek.

Now, looking at the Hebrew is actually, there's fewer problems with the Hebrew, but in the

Greek, there's more copies that we have issues that we have to deal with.

So when we look at the Greek, just looking at the Bible, we have about, if we look in Greek and Hebrew, we start taking

copies of the Bible, we start taking quotations from those, we start taking the

different times it was translated.

We have over, it's about 70 ,000 copies.

But if you want to just stick with the Greek New Testament, okay, we have about 6 ,500, 6 ,600.

We have copies of the Bible that are within 30 years of their original writing, and they're all over the world.

Next closest thing we have in antiquity to that would be the Iliad with only

600 copies and 1 ,500 years from its original writing.

So, well, hold on.

That's the historical.

So when we do the historical, what we see is this is the most attested to, that we can verify

that this hasn't changed so that we can say this is from the time period.

Then you can go to outside writings.

You can look at the Talmud, which mentions Christ, mentions the leaders.

You can look at the Roman historians.

You can look at Philo.

You can look at Josephus.

There was what?

Yeah, there weren't many.

Except we have Philo.

He mentions him.

We have Josephus.

Have you read that?

Because I've read Philo.

I've read Josephus.

They both mention him.

The Talmud mentions Jesus.

So, look, when we talk things….

Okay, but here's the thing, sir.

You said none of them do.

I've just given you several that have.

Amen -Ra, sorry.

So, Amen -Ra even nodded his head because he knows that they have written about him.

Okay?

So, it is historical.

So, that would be the answer to the question.

No, no.

I just wanted to know what he was at.

So, just real quick.

Let me just….

Side note for a second.

Here's the thing.

Let me explain to some folks that weren't here earlier when you guys were.

The reason I come out is for this reason.

I come out here in Union Square because I care for every single person out here.

Thanks.

Okay?

Even Nick.

I love Nick, even though he gives me a hard time.

But I still love him.

I'll still take him out for dinner later, probably.

But here's the thing.

The folks….

I come out here because of this.

160 ,000 people are going to die today.

That's a huge number.

Most of us plan for everything in life except what will happen a second after we die.

What will happen after we die?

How do you plan for that?

Well, I'll tell you how to plan for that.

God gave us a conscience so we know right from wrong.

Sir, don't put your hand up.

You don't want to turn away facts, do you?

It's over.

That's it.

How do you know that to be true?

How do you know it's not?

Well, no.

But God came to earth.

He knows different.

No, no.

He knows different.

He knows different because not only did he die, he rose from the dead.

He came from heaven to earth.

No, no.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

What makes God a he?

Elijah, hold on.

Give me one second.

So here's the thing.

Here's the thing.

Huh?

You saw him rise?

I just went to the boat.

No, no, no.

Did you see him rise?

You can't say he rose.

Are you sure?

So you can only attest to things that you've seen?

So is George Washington ever the first president?

Did you see him?

No, you didn't see George Washington.

That logic applies to all things.

I understand.

That's why his logic doesn't fit.

His logic doesn't fit.

So here's the thing.

Well, here's the thing.

Everyone, hold on one second.

Every one of us, every one of us out here, including me, most of you out here are probably a

far more moral person than I am.

Okay?

But our morality is not going to get us right with God.

Our morality can't do it.

That's what every false religion teaches.

What God says is God himself came to earth.

We are bad.

We are.

But God is so good.

God is so good that he died on a cross and paid the fine for us.

God did what we cannot do.

God came to earth, lived as a perfect man.

He lived as a man that never sinned.

Being fully God, he could pay the eternal fine.

Being fully man, he could pay the fine of men.

That's what makes Jesus Christ unique among all of the false religions.

Because God, who cannot lie, said so.

And it was said dead people don't do anything.

They certainly don't raise themselves from the dead.

And so what we see is this, that what we look at is the fact that he rose from the dead proved everything

that he said about himself.

It proves that he was God, that he could raise himself from the dead.

What I believe is that he offers to you the forgiveness of sin that he offers

to you.

So God offers to you eternal life today that if you turn

from trusting your good works, if you turn from trusting yourself as a good person, you can

have eternal life today.

I'm going to be here for a while so you can ask me questions.

My buddy Mark's going to come up.

The dude's from California.

He doesn't know what this weather is like.

If he looks like he's overdressed, this is new to him.

But give him the same respect.

Thank you.

Yeah, go for it.

It's Mark, man.

All right.

I'd like to ask you a question, sir.

What's your name, first of all?

My name is Jeremiah.

Jeremiah.

My name is Mark.

Good.

Am I your enemy, first of all, Jeremiah?

Why should you be my enemy?

I don't know you.

Right.

We're not enemies.

All right.

One second.

Very good.

A person kills 13 people.

I don't have very good hearing.

A person kills 13 people.

Who kills 13 people?

One guy kills 13 people.

Then he's about to be electrocuted.

Yep.

And then he receives Christ.

Yes.

Does that mean he's going to heaven?

What does it mean to accept Christ?

If he accepts Christ, is he going to heaven?

He doesn't need to be accepted.

My question is, what does it mean to accept?

All right.

Let me deal with this question.

A lot of times, I visit a lot of universities.

I've got a television program called The Way of the Master.

We're on the fifth season of our television show.

I go to UCLA, USC, Berkeley, Pennsylvania.

I usually lecture on a subject that is a common objection against Christianity.

When I'm done lecturing, I take questions from the faculty and the

students.

I usually start off by saying, I believe Christianity is intelligent.

People begin to shake their heads.

Just like that, people begin to laugh.

I say, I'm not your enemy because I have a different world view.

If you have a question, I say, step up to the microphone.

As adults, let's talk about it.

Usually, I get a lot of level -headed individuals that come up and say, hey,

I have some ad hoc questions, some questions in the moment that I really would like to have some answers

for.

Just a moment.

Then, I have people that come out and they will say, you know what, I'm not interested in

the answers to my questions.

I'm only interested in making you look foolish.

I say, hey, you can do that.

That's not too hard.

It's not too difficult to make me look foolish.

Now, I believe that Christianity is true.

Question, what is truth?

We start with that foundation.

What is truth, my friend?

Truth is important.

I believe it.

Do you believe truth is important?

Do I believe truth is important?

Yes.

If you don't have truth, then you shouldn't live.

If you don't have truth, you shouldn't live.

Okay.

But Christianity cannot be true.

And I'm going to sit here and explain why.

I'm going to just repeat so people can hear what you have to say.

Christianity cannot be true because...

Let's talk about 2015.

I was going to go back, but I'm going to just talk about Madden Day.

Try to let it be really quick, just for the sake of people being able to hear and dialogue.

All right.

Otherwise, you can come up here and you can have your own monologue.

That's totally cool, and I'll listen.

No, no.

339 black children died in 2015.

So where was God then?

I'll tell you, there was a lot more children than that that died in 2015.

I'm talking about black kids.

A lot more black children than that were killed in 2015.

4 ,500 die every single

day.

I'm not all over the world.

I'm only here in America.

I'm only speaking about right here.

I'm dealing with America.

This is America.

150 ,000 to 160 ,000 people in general die every single day.

Okay.

Yes, I understand that.

But what I was talking about...

Okay, but still, where's God then?

I'm sorry?

Where's God then?

Where is God when something like that happens?

Okay, good question.

So the question is, where's God when suffering takes place, when innocent children die?

Is that your question?

Now, somebody once said, be careful with the questions that you ask because there's answers.

Not that I have all the answers, but when we speak, when we dialogue, we expect each

other to be honest.

Somebody once said, listen, a lie might comfort someone, but in the end, what we face

is truth.

Now, I just gave a lecture twice this year on this subject at two different secular universities.

Yeah, yeah.

I have an Old

Testament

question I'd like to ask you.

An Old Testament question?

Old Testament.

Okay, I'm not an Old Testament scholar, but I'll do my best.

Okay.

What is your name?

My name is Saul Garcia.

Saul Garcia, okay.

Nice to meet you.

Yes, sir.

Good to meet you.

In the beginning, God created everything.

Yes, sir.

Right?

In the beginning, God created everything.

He created Adam, he created Eve.

Yes.

They bore children.

Yes.

Cain and Abel.

Cain and Abel.

Cain and Abel, yes.

Seth.

Cain kills Abel.

Cain killed Abel.

Yes, he did.

Cain is marked and banished.

Yes.

To wherever he goes.

Yes.

How does Cain take wife and have children?

Yes.

There is only Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel.

Abel is dead, there's only three people left.

Even if they had other children, he was banished out completely, never to return.

Yes.

Not at the beginning, but here, here's your question.

So how did he have children?

Let me repeat your question for others to hear it.

Okay.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

He created the world and everything in it within six literal days.

I believe that this planet we live in is not 4 .5 billion years old as a lot of scientists

attest to.

I believe in Literal days that the world is right around 6 ,000 years old

now God created Adam.

And then he put Adam in a deep sleep.

Removed a rib and created Eve.

They had kids.

How many kids do they have?

Can enable?

Yeah, the Bible Tells us everything We need

to know about God in our dealings with God and our dealings with mankind here on earth.

In fact the Gospel of John it says these things were written for a specific purpose.

So that you may know that Jesus is the Son of God and that you may have life in his name.

In fact, it goes on to say that there are many other miracles that Jesus performed.

But these specific things were written for a specific purpose, okay, wait a minute.

I'm a building a foundation.

Each book of the Bible is written for a specific purpose.

They are historical narratives of exactly what went down.

Were there other things that went down?

Yes.

Why doesn't the Bible talk about every time Jesus had a meal?

It doesn't need to it tells us everything we need to know.

So Cain and Abel.

Abel dies.

Where does Cain Get his wife.

So that when the answer it's really simple Adam and Eve had

many children and the children that we know about are the children we need to know about.

So many kids living over many years.

Without a cesspool within the gene pool it would be acceptable for

children siblings to marry each other and.

That's exactly what happened.

So when Adam and Eve had kids.

Who's to say the kids did not spread out?

People today we have kids they spread out.

They don't all stay with us.

So the answer is very simple.

They married he married as they all did relatives.

From mom and dad, that's the answer.

He was still marked.

He was marked in the sense that he cannot be killed he cannot be murdered and that's all

it tells us.

But good question if anybody has any other questions, please step up if you have more questions, please step up.

What is your name?

Luis Luis good to meet you.

My name is Mark.

Are you a Christian Luis?

You are okay.

You're born a Christian is that possible.

Are you born again?

Are you born again?

Jesus said unless a man is born again.

He cannot enter the kingdom of God.

RA Torrey once responded and he said unless a man is born again He's gonna wish

one day.

He was never born at all.

So my question for you, are you born again?

And if you are what does it mean?

If you're not I'm gonna tell you.

Okay.

And your name was Luis, is that correct?

Okay, Luis.

Luis, would you consider yourself to be a good person?

Okay I think I'm not a good person to make judgements about myself.

I think I've been trying lately.

You're trying to be a better person, yeah, you wouldn't call yourself a great person you wouldn't call yourself an

evil person.

You're somewhere in between somewhere in the middle.

Okay, and you probably are you're probably even better than myself.

But is it fair to say that neither you nor I can come up with a really good and

perfect definition of good.

If you might think you're good and I might think I'm good.

Can we both be right even though our definitions? are opposite.

Somebody might think that being good is Providing for their family.

Somebody else would think hey being good is not providing for their family.

In fact, let me abuse my children.

Somebody might say as weird as that is.

In fact, if that person were to say I'm only good if I'm abusing my kids you and I would say hey,

man.

That's not good, right?

But why do we say that?

Where do we get that from?

I believe we take that for granted.

I Conscience.

Where we know right from wrong.

Now you've heard of the Ten Commandments, I would imagine.

Do you think you're good enough to get to heaven?

You don't think so?

Okay.

All right.

So what have you done?

What have you done?

That is made God say you're not going to get into heaven.

You're gonna go to hell.

Why would God say that to you?

If you're not good enough to get to heaven, but then you're bad enough to get to hell, right?

What have you done that's so bad.

Purgatory.

Yeah, the word is purgatory that place in the middle.

Yeah, it doesn't exist.

Doesn't exist.

It's not in the Bible.

That is our source of authority.

Right.

Jesus said sanctify them by your word.

Your word is truth.

So if we want truth we go to God's Word.

Now, you know you consider all the major religions of the world.

They all claim to point truth.

Right in the Hindu scriptures the Vedas.

It says that truth is Mysterious, it's elusive and it's hard to find.

Buddha said that he was searching for the truth.

Muhammad perhaps you're a Muslim here today.

I'm not your enemy.

But if you're a Muslim you realize that Muhammad he said that he pointed to the truth.

That's very noble however Jesus.

He enters onto the scene.

He didn't speak from authority like the rest of the prophets.

He spoke with authority.

In fact, the Bible says that no man has ever spoke like this man.

And he didn't say that truth was elusive mysterious.

Or hard to find he didn't say you're searching for the truth that he didn't say that he pointed to the truth.

He said I Am the way the truth

and the life and then he made these very provocative words.

No, man comes to the father.

But through me those are crazy words.

People heard those words and they try to kill him.

Because people knew the Jews knew that he was putting himself on the same

Level as God because it says who can forgive sins, but

God alone.

Now the commandments I mentioned that earlier.

How many lies do you think you've told over the course of your life?

That's the ninth commandment.

It says you shall not bear false witness.

How many lies my friend?

Many you've lost count.

The eighth commandment it says you shall not steal.

How many things do you think you've stolen over the course of your life?

Give me a ballpark.

All right, so you've done it.

So, what does that make you what do you call someone who tells lies.

And what do you call someone that steals things a thief?

So what are you?

You're a lying thief.

Just like a lot of other people right.

Yeah.

Here's the commandment that got me.

Jesus said.

You've heard it said that you shall not commit adultery.

But I say to you whoever looks At a woman

with sexual desire in their heart Has committed adultery.

What Jesus was establishing was not only does God see the actions that we commit?

But he sees the intentions of our heart and the thoughts of our mind.

Sixth commandment.

You're gonna feel pretty safe with this one.

I think you shall not murder.

Have you ever killed anyone?

Thank you however.

Remember we talked about Jesus who sees the intentions of the heart and the thoughts of the mind.

He said Whoever has hatred in their heart

towards his brother is a murderer.

Ever been in a fight you ever hated someone or something that

they've done.

There's a lot of injustice out there in the world.

Hatred in and of itself is not evil.

It's what you do with that hatred my friend.

We can be angry.

It's okay to be angry.

The Bible says be angry, but then it says be angry, but don't sin.

Jesus was angry.

He got he was angry with the people.

He overturned the tables.

Jesus was angry.

It's okay to be angry.

What do we do with that anger?

Third commandment.

You shall not use the name of the Lord your God in vain.

Have you ever used God's name in vain.

It's called blasphemy.

Where you don't give honor and credit to the one who made you.

You think of how God has lavished his love upon us to enjoy sunsets

and surfing.

I'm from Los Angeles, I'll be there tomorrow morning.

God willing.

And Sex it's a beautiful thing designed by God for

procreation and Recreation.

God designed it.

God is not this cosmic killjoy who wants to suck the fun out of all of his

creation.

No, God, he knows what he's doing.

He created these things and they're wonderful.

Have you ever used God's name in vain.

Yeah.

It kind of slips off of our lips doesn't we don't even think about it.

We stub our toe and we go oh my god for Jesus Christ in a

way that's not honoring to him.

Now if God judges you on Judgment Day my friend.

Bearing in mind that you are a liar and a thief an adulterer.

Possibly a murderer if you've had hatred, but a blasphemer for certain.

And that's not me judging you.

That's me you merely confessing who you are.

You know in John chapter 3 verse 16.

It's a very famous verse.

It says for God so loved the world.

That he gave his only begotten Son.

That whoever believes in him shall not perish but shall possess Eternal life.

A lot of people stop there, but there's another verse the next verse it talks about how

God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world.

Why not?

Because they were condemned already.

You my friend are already condemned.

You're a condemned.

By virtue the fact that you confessed that you've fallen short of God's glory by breaking his law.

It merely demonstrates that you are like everybody else you have sinned.

But the Bible says the wages of sin is death

you deserve.

The death penalty.

Isn't that crazy?

We think man.

I'm not as bad as that guy.

I'm not as bad as her.

Some people think that Donald Trump is Adolf Hitler incarnate right you go to

Trump Tower, and you can hear some very ferocious things go down here a couple blocks right

now we think that maybe God is a special place in his prison hell for

people like Donald Trump or Adolf Hitler or Stalin for Pol Pot or that person who did that

evil thing to me when I was six years old.

But God says listen.

Raping is wrong kidnapping is wrong murdering is wrong.

But he doesn't stop there.

He says lying lips are an abomination to me.

He says no liar will inherit the kingdom of God.

He says his enemies use his name in vain and He will not

hold him guiltless.

Who uses his name in vain meaning you'll be found guilty.

It doesn't need to make up anything.

The eyes of the Lord are in every place.

Keeping watch of the good as well as the evil.

And this is why the Bible says it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God.

So does it concern you my friend that if God judges you.

That God would send you to hell and you'd be just in doing so.

Does that concern you at all.

Yes, it does.

That my friend is the first step.

That all of humanity and all the people here need to take.

It's a step of admission.

In fact, you have to come to the place where you admit it.

I deserve God's punishment and his wrath.

I deserve to go to hell.

You're not too proud to admit that yet.

There's a lot of people that are The next step.

Listen.

Do you have any idea my friend what God did so you would not have to go to hell.

Any idea?

The Bible says that God is not willing for any to perish but that all shall come to

repentance.

We'll get to that in a moment.

But you my friend have any idea what God did so you would not have to go to hell.

A terrible place.

What did God do.

No not in the future what he did in the past.

He did something so remarkable.

That it changed.

He sent his son.

God the Father sent his son Jesus Christ born of a virgin two thousand years ago.

Jesus Christ he lived a perfect life.

Jesus he never lied.

He never stole.

He never looked with lust.

He lived a perfect life.

And then listen Louise He was unjustly condemned to die on a

Roman cross.

To pay for what they thought were his sins.

But it wasn't his sins that he was going to atone for it was the sins of others.

Do you have any idea why they put him to death.

What were the charges against Jesus Christ.

Any idea.

A

Lot of people don't know and I don't blame you for that.

I'm gonna share with you why?

Jesus Christ he claimed to be God and It was

necessary for God to come.

Because without the shedding of blood there's no remission of sins.

And without the perfect sinless body of Christ We cannot make it to

heaven.

When Jesus died on that cross the full Wrath of the father of the judge of the

universe came down upon his son Jesus Christ.

He spared no expense and when that wrath came down upon his son Jesus

absorbed it like a sponge would absorb water and he absorbed the wrath of the father.

And when he died on that cross He cried out these words.

Paid in full.

What does that mean?

It would be like you entering into a courtroom.

You're guilty of breaking the law somebody you don't know.

In fact the judge himself steps in he holds you in contempt.

You're guilty and Then the judge takes off his robe and he pays your fine

because you cannot pay the fine yourself.

That's what happened.

Jesus claimed to have the ability to forgive sins.

And they said who can forgive sins but God alone and so they tried to kill him eventually they did

but they really didn't.

Some people have called it cosmic suicide.

He laid down willingly his life for his sheep.

And when Jesus died on that cross He took upon the wrath of the father he said paid in

full.

He paid a debt he did not owe.

Because you my friend.

Oh a debt you could never pay.

And if you would be willing to repent and to place your trust in

Jesus Christ alone.

You will be given a free gift.

Repent it's the Greek word.

Meant to know you it means to change your mind at this moment in your life.

You have already agreed That you deserve to be punished.

Now you turn to God you've done admission now.

It's time for confession.

You confess not to me.

I'm not your priest.

You don't need to priest.

You have the high priest the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords.

You go to him in faith and you say I have broken your law.

I deserve to be punished.

I Don't want to go to hell but more than that.

I want to have fellowship with the one who made me.

You see God knows all about you.

And he still cares about you and he still has a plan for you.

Where do you go from here.

Repentance.

You agree with God that you're wrong and his way is right.

And now second step you place your trust in him my friend the way you would a parachute.

If you're gonna jump 10 ,000 feet out of a plane.

You're gonna put that parachute on right?

You're gonna check the straps.

You're gonna make sure it's secure before you jump.

There's a jump coming it's called death.

Every person, you know Is going to face it.

We are all part of the ultimate statistic.

10 out of 10 of us are gonna die someday.

You are going to go face to face with death now you do not have to go face to

face alone.

Repentance and faith.

Repentance and faith.

What do you need to do?

I just said it to get right with God.

The two things are repentance and faith.

When Louise are you going to do that?

When are you gonna get right with God

a little louder?

I can't hear you.

Never know when you're gonna die, right?

How old are you?

25 cemeteries are filled with young people youth.

It's no guarantee of old age.

Wouldn't make sense to get right with God today.

In fact, that's what the Bible says.

The Bible says today is the day of salvation.

In fact today's the day to prepare for your last day.

And if you live each day as if it's your last one day, you'll be right.

You can die today, and I hope that's not the case.

I hope that doesn't happen my friend.

Repentance and faith.

It's as simple as this and I'll leave you with this because I know your time is valuable.

Today could be the day that you die.

And I'll probably never see you again.

I'm catching a flight at 5 o 'clock in the morning tomorrow to go back to Los Angeles.

Who knows if I'll make the flight?

But I'm ready for a different flight a flight where he's gonna pull me up.

And I'll see him face to face and I'm in love with someone.

I've never seen.

And I'm in love with the voice.

I've never heard.

But he speaks to us through his word.

So my encouragement to you is to cry out to God to have mercy on you.

And I guarantee you that God will have mercy on you and he'll be gracious to you.

He'll give you what you don't deserve.

That's great.

He'll be merciful to you.

Which means he'll hold back that what you do deserve and he will not give you justice.

Which has given you what you deserve if you come to him on his terms.

It's Jesus Christ, or it's nothing.

He's the way the truth in the life.

The Bible says at the name of Jesus every knee will bow.

And at the name of Jesus every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ He

is the glory of God himself.

And it will bring glory to God because of so.

So my friend I won't see you again, probably right?

I Don't gain brownie points, but I don't share.

I don't make friends this way, right?

Well, I want to leave you with that.

I want to encourage you to do so and and life is quick.

God bless you.

Thank you for listening.

I really appreciate it my friend and Have a gift here for you.

This is the most important question by my friend Andrew Rappaport.

He's an author.

You'll enjoy that.

Thank you.

And if you anybody else has any more questions, we'll be around.

Free to come and talk.

Say you met mark.

That's mark.

You tell him that you met mark.

Well, well, you want to talk about that what you listen to?

Well, I'll come out.

I'll buy you dinner you talk.

Fair enough deal.

What's your name?

I live in New Jersey.

All right.

So that was the preaching for tonight.

I don't know if anyone else is gonna jump up.

I'm gonna try save my battery.

So hope you guys all enjoyed it and Yeah, that was pretty good stuff.

There's always good stuff with Mark Spence.

Yep, that's on the Facebook page.

Say goodbye mark that Facebook.

Yeah.

Hey guys.

Thanks for listening.

Thanks for tuning in.

Let me just say let me say a couple words here.

Yeah, let me say I Don't like opening or preaching.

I don't like one -on -one witnessing.

I Have a hard time just being around people but listen.

You can do this.

You can open up your mouth and you can share the gospel With people and you can leave the

results to God a lot of time.

We confuse faithfulness and fruitfulness.

We think that as long as somebody gets born again, then it was a fruitful encounter.

No, no, no.

No, listen a hundred million times.

Being fruitful is being faithful if you are faithful with what God is entrusted

unto you.

It will be fruitful and you will see that fruit if not here then up there.

Faithful to the message means you will be a fruitful individual.

Don't confuse fruitfulness with actually seeing something where somebody

responds.

We never know what's gonna happen and I'll give you a quick example of that last year I was ministering

in Kauai Hawaii.

Right.

Somebody's got to do it.

And while I was there I was in a kayak with my wife and My wife

encouraged me to share the gospel with our guide who was taking us to these waterfalls.

I Shared the gospel with him and then I looked over at him and I said has anybody ever shared this message with you

before?

And he said only once and it was last week.

And I went wow, that's interesting.

No, it seemed like My talk with him wasn't getting anywhere.

He didn't ask to follow me on my Facebook my Twitter page.

He didn't ask for my email address and he certainly didn't ask Jesus to come into his life.

It seemed like nothing really happened.

Nothing took place however.

When I asked him has anybody shared this message with you before he said last week for the first time somebody did

his name Jeremy camp a musician who one week

later, I was going to do an outreach with.

So I went up to Jeremy camp at this outreach and I said listen Jeremy.

Yep.

There we go.

That was Matt's like falling.

Yeah, two weeks ago You shared the gospel with your kayak guide.

Last week I shared the gospel with him.

One plants one waters.

But God brings the increase as he sees fit now, we don't always get to see the work

that God is doing.

But we can be rest assured that God is doing that.

He's doing something.

So I got a glimpse into that guy's life and Somebody else will come up along after me Lord willing

and God will be faithful to complete the work which he started.

He's the Alpha and the Omega the beginning in the end.

He's the author of our salvation.

We need not fear.

We can trust in him.

He can lead us.

He can guide us with his eye and we take refuge under the shadow of his wings and we can have boldness.

To stand up and to speak up, even though we don't know very much the first person Jesus ever sent out to share the

gospel was a demoniac in Mark chapter 5.

When he tried to get inside the boat to go back over to cross the Sea of Galilee.

Says hey, I Need I need to know more and Jesus said no go home to your family and tell him what great things God has

done and all he had was his testimony and He went

with God to his family.

Listen, you can do the same speak up speak out if not you then who and if not now then when

Warren Wearsby said you're a Christian because Somebody cared enough to share and now it's your turn to return

the favor to pay it forward.

Some people say hey, I'm willing to open air.

I'm willing to go door -to -door.

I'm willing to head out gospel tracks should God call me to go, but in the meantime, I'm gonna stay.

I'm gonna stay right here.

Well, Jim Elliott who died at the hands and of him of whom he was trying to reach.

He said why do you need a voice?

When you have a verse.

When you have a verse that says go into the highways byways in the getaways, hey, listen preach the gospel to every

creature.

Preach the gospel while you still can we live in a hostile world.

It's getting darker by the second.

But you are the light of the world.

Don't hide that light.

Let it shine.

Let it shine.

He is worthy.

Worthy is the lamb to receive the reward of his suffering my friends.

Speak up today's the day today's the day to prepare for your last day.

So god bless you.

Thank you guys for listening.

We're gonna sign off now.

I take it Andrew.

Anyone of you guys figure out why we love listening to Mark Spence right.

All right.

Thanks guys.

Hope you enjoyed it.