The Shocking Meaning behind John 6 with Pastor Claude Ramsey DMW#188

Exploring Theology, Doctrine, and all of the Fascinating Subjects in Between, Broadcasting from an Undisclosed Location, Dead Men Walking starts now. Yeah, that's right. Get hydrated, Claude. Get hydrated, baby.

We're gonna put you to work today. Welcome back to another episode of Dead Men Walking Podcast. I'm your host, Greg, and with me I have Claude Ramsey today, Pastor Claude, and also the host of Here I Stand Theology Podcast.

Guys, always a joy to have Claude here. Oh, man. We've had some guests on the last few weeks, but really haven't got into Scripture. We've been talking about the Trump indictment. We've been talking about constitutional law.

We kind of got off in politics for a few weeks. We did have Testimony Tuesday a few weeks ago with Craig Twining, which was awesome. Noah Wing came on, talked about three books that every young man should read.

Check out that episode. I thought it was phenomenal. But, man, when we want to dig into the Word, we got to call our boy, Claude Ramsey, the man, the Roll Tide King, the humble servant. You know what, Claude?

It's a compliment. Every person that I know that knows you, they just have nothing but great things to say about you. They go, man, what a humble guy, just a quiet spirit. But, boy, when he gets fired up about the Word, get out of his way, because it's coming at you.

What's going on, brother?

Oh, just I've been looking forward to this ever since you texted me on this. Hey, let me tell you how ready I am. So I've got my water with the lights. I've got my yerba mate. I've got my root beer.

Oh, my gosh. You got multiple drink choices there.

Yeah. Yeah. All I've had was my Pop-Tart this morning. So I'm just coasting through till I get ready to go get some lunch in a little while.

The Show Opens With Banter and Introductions

Well, we won't keep you too long. But first of all, for anyone listening, OK, for anyone listening, that's great. But this will also be up on YouTube. And if it is when it is, you need to go look at this video, because I'm looking at your backdrop and it feels like every time that we have or I have you on, it just gets a little better and better.

I mean, we've got what is that pallet wood back there? I've got a samurai sword. You've got neon. Enjoy. What is it? Enjoy. Calvinism. First Thessalonians five. Sixteen. We got bobble heads. I mean, you got a flag.

What's that? What's the story on the flag? Is that given to you or is that someone in your families?

It was my father's flag. Yeah, that is awesome.

It was in the Air Force. Oh, man. Awesome. And then we also have just all the little you get the roll tide stuff. You got the here I stand theology. You got Kelvin with the torch or the tulip. Man, I'm loving what you got going on here.

It's a joy just to look at your screen. I mean, I'm getting this by 80 HD's kicking in. I'm supposed to be talking to you. And I'm back here admiring your studio. It's looking good, brother.

Well, that's that's the happy Calvinist logo right there. I love it. You know what?

The flaming tulip. I was I was going to wear the shirt and it's I'm washing it right now because I wore it a few weeks ago on an episode and gave a shout out. Claude sent some people his. Yeah. Happy Calvinist.

What does it say on it? I was Calvinist before it was cool. Yeah.

It fits great. I wore it. And someone went, What are you wearing? I said, That's my boy, Claude Ramsey, dude. I got hooked up. So it's going to be one of the shirts I pack when I go down to Fight Left Feast.

I know you're not going to be there, but it's going to get some exposure there. So I'll send them your way. Are you selling those to support the show or just giving them away?

I'm I am selling them to support the show. Twenty five dollars each. Yeah, I was just cracked. That was not cool. Twenty five dollars each. And just, you know, I can I can take payment via PayPal. So if anybody just wants to message me on Facebook or Instagram, let me know that you want one here.

Throw it out there. Where do they get a hold of yet? Facebook, Instagram. My name's Claude Ramsey again. So you can find me by name on Facebook, Instagram. Here I stand, Theo. And as well, if you decide if folks decide to purchase the shirt, let me be on PayPal here.

I stand the theology.

Yeah, we'll link it up to you so everyone can click on it. I think it's a really neat shirt. It's a good way to support his podcast, a podcast that I absolutely love. And I love that you get multiple guys on there sometimes, too.

You guys do your. Is it Friday night? What night is it that I always happen to click on the live shows?

That's Thursday night. That's Thursday night podcast. Yeah. Labor's podcast.

Yeah. And you always contribute there. Really like it. So enough shameless self-promotion. You know, I always got to do my sales pitch at the top of the show, especially for the guys I like. But go check him out here.

I stand theology podcast. Solid, solid podcast with lots of good stuff. Always getting into the word, making you think, cutting your flesh. Ruining your day a little bit by cutting your flesh. But you want to what we recover from it?

We go, thank you, Lord. Right. That's right. Oh, man. So you got a lot going on. We're moving into fall. You've been busy.

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. It's busy with the church, busy with work. Yard, you know, yard upkeeps always, always. I enjoy doing that. I enjoy doing that. But man, when it's out there, it's 90 degrees like it has been every day for the past whatever.

I know we're not in Phoenix or anything like that, but still it's hot. But I don't care what it go ahead. You know, go ahead. I do want to give a shout out to some folks at my church, though. Some one gentleman in particular has stepped up and taken the graveyard for me.

So I don't have to mow the church graveyard this year. It's been a blessing. So, yeah.

Fasting, Physical Hunger, and Spiritual Focus

Yeah, because you you kind of do it all over there, too, right? I mean, you're doing your own landscaping and and grass cutting and all that right at the church. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll tell you what, those people out in Arizona, though, it's hot.

It's one hundred and four. And it's like, dude, try ninety four plus eighty eight percent humidity. And it says on your phone feels like one oh nine. And you're like, I'll take that dry heated. I know it's cliche, but I'll take the dry heat any day.

We were three days ago. We were at one hundred and two with humidity here in Michigan was one of the hottest days. And I think it was technically September. My son's out there practicing football in full gear.

And I'm just I'm sitting on the sideline watching him and he's running around fine. They're hydrating and everything. And I'm just sweating. Just just I'm not even moving. I go, I either need to lose some weight or what's going on?

Not moving, sweating. It was it was rough. So I feel I feel you because when you're doing that work in that, you know, but maybe it's good. You know, we will sweat it out and, you know, get hydrated and good to go.

So cool, man. Same here doing some stuff busy with real estate, busy with life, homeschool, church. Small groups are starting back up. We got all kinds of fun stuff going on at our church at Christ the Word.

And I'm excited for it. But I want to take some time and have you on. I'd have a few things rolling around in my head. We have a guy coming on from TikTok who has a pretty big following and he had said some stuff about Calvinism and meeting some Calvinists and not in kind of feeling like it was arrogance and stuck up and all the kind of stuff that you get with that.

Right. And I go, man, that's not that's not the type of reformed people I know. I mean, most of the people in the circles I walk with walk in such humbleness and grace after you are introduced to the doctrines of grace and read through the Bible and understand that we are depraved and sinners and there's nothing good that we did.

And why do we deserve this grace? And so he's coming on. And with that, I had just happened, didn't even mean to intentionally, but read through reading again through John and got to John chapter six.

And I went, oh, yeah, this is just such a great salvific kind of chapter with a lot of sticky stuff in it for people to kind of debate. But I was hoping we could just read through that and then maybe pick it apart a little bit, discuss it.

Would that be OK? Absolutely. All right. I'm going to I'm reading from the LSB. Don't don't hurt me now. I just I just switched from the ESV after eight years. So that's my daily reader, LSB. But I love the ESV as well, too.

I'm going to start at verse 26 and go into the end to 40. And the only reason I do that, I know, are are kind of our verses that we're really going to be focusing on are in the 30s. But and I would say this to anyone, and I know you know this, Claude, but when reading maybe a verse or two, back it up, go back and maybe read the entire chapter, read a little bit past it.

We got to have context. It's a good hermeneutic. We just can't take one or two out of there. You know, Jesus is talking like we're talking. Could you imagine if someone clipped something you and I were saying?

Right. And then you said, oh, that's what the whole conversation is about. This is what you know. So so I like to come back a little bit to where he starts talking about on the bread of life. There's some analogies there.

There's some important stuff. And then we'll take it down to 40. So so, John, 26 through 40, if you're listening, you can read along as well. This is from the LSB. Here we go. Jesus answered them and said, truly, truly, I say to you, you seek me not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled.

Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the son of man will give to you. For on him, the father God set his seal. That's important there. Therefore, they said to him, what should we do?

So that we may work the works of God. Jesus answered and said to them, this is the work of God that you believe in him whom he has sent. So they said to him, what then do you do for signs so that we may see and believe?

What work do you perform? Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, as it is written. He gave them bread from heaven to eat. Jesus. Jesus then said to them, truly, truly, I say to you, Moses has not given you the bread from heaven, but my father gives you the true bread from heaven for the bread for the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.

Then they said to him, Lord, always give us this bread. And Jesus said to them, I am that bread of life. He who comes to me will never hunger. And he who believes in me will never thirst. Oh, amen. I love it.

Verse 36. But I said to you that you have seen me and yet you still not do not believe all that the father gives me will come to me and the one who comes to me. I will never cast out for I have come down from heaven not to do my own will, but to do the will of him who sent me.

Now, this is the will of him who sent me. He's going to tell us that all that he has given to me. I lose nothing but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my father, that everyone who sees the son and believes in him will have eternal life.

And I myself will raise him up on the last day. I'm sorry. We'll raise. We'll raise. Yeah, raise him up on the last day. Sorry. So what a great set of verses there. I mean, we are, you know. Other religions sometimes will challenge the divinity of Christ or he never called himself God or, you know, you'll have the Jehovah Witnesses, the Mormons.

This is a pretty great verse that encompasses a lot. We have Christ calling himself the bread of life, doing the will of the father, talking about the relationship between what I see as as election and predestination and raising up on the last day.

When you take that, those those chunks of verses there, what's the first thing you gather out of that, Claude? What are you looking at when you see Christ talking about the bread of life, reflecting back to the Old Testament and the manna and Moses and go, No, I'm the true bread of life.

There's a lot there to unpack. But what are we seeing when we first read that?

Well, my mind immediately, when I begin to to to read anytime that I read that, but really, and it's something that I do intentionally, particularly to kind of organize and prioritize the thoughts in my mind.

My mind goes into systematic theology mode and like just that passage right there in just that short passage that you read. Doctrinally speaking, there's the doctrine of God's sovereignty, the doctrine of predestination.

You mentioned that the doctrine of election, the doctrine of calling, the doctrine of perseverance of the saints. Right. There's justification. And we don't we don't think I know this is kind of a microscopic view, but justification, sanctification, glorification, all is in that section of Scripture.

I mean, there is so much in that. And it's again, folks will say doctrine is boring. Right. That's that's for dead. Dead theology doesn't help anybody. No, the living word helps those whom Christ has brought to life.

And it quickens us. The word in Hebrews, the Scripture tells us, right, the word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than any two edged sword. And just studying that passage day before yesterday, as I was just in my personal time, the context of that verse right there, Hebrews 4, 12, the word of God is living and powerful.

Holy cow. When we just consider the context of that, it's it it talks about the influence of the word of God on the regenerate man, on the regenerate boy, on the regenerate girl. So, I mean, it's good.

It's very good.

What do you think the significance is of and I'll comment here, too, but the significance of him, of Christ, you know, kind of making a point that look at Moses gave you bread, but it wasn't the bread from heaven because it looks like the people talking to him there says our fathers ate manna and gave us bread from heaven because he's saying, I'm the bread of life.

And they said, well, we already had that. You know, what was Christ? What do you think Christ was trying to do there? Because I always find it. Here's the thing I look at, we have the we have the advantage of looking back over 2000 years and standing on the shoulders of giants.

But I look at some of the disciples and some of the people standing there in front of Christ and I go, well, how could you not get this? This seems so simple and plain to me. He's saying I'm the bread.

And you're going, well, oh, you mean like a loaf of sourdough? We had that back in the desert. Well, what do you know? What are you talking about? And Christ had to almost be so blunt with them when talking about that was this when he's referring back to that.

Is he fulfilling a prophecy? Is he trying to make a comparison? Why is he saying, well, no, I'm I'm the true bread of life. You had it back with Moses and the manna, but I'm the true bread. What's going on there, do you think?

So you said you mentioned it earlier. Context, right. Context is key. So we it would be easy for us to pull this, snag the section out, just post it up on our wall, stare at it, dissect it, exegete it apart from the surrounding text around it.

So I think what's going on in the immediate context is what's what's just taken place a short time before this cross fed the 5000. Right. Yeah. With. Right. They had fish and hushpuppies and but original hushpuppies, and then the the the disciples get into a boat, right?

Go over to the other side. The scripture says that that's when the storm came up on the sea. Jesus came to him. They thought he was a ghost, right? Immediately when he entered the ship, they were on the other side.

So what happened? All these people that were fed, they missed the boat, basically. So they took off trying to find Jesus when they found Jesus. What's in their minds? Intellectually speaking, is that they had just had their belly filled with bread.

So I think there's a twofold reason that Christ said what he said. Number one, immediate context would be they just got fed. And he already knows that they're not looking for bread for their soul, that they just want more bread for the body.

They're looking for a temporary quick fix when they need an eternal. So fix right from the Lord.

Yeah. So well, that yeah, well, that's a very good point, because it opens up in 26 showing they physically they were fed, but then they saw a miraculous sign. And he says, truly, truly, I say to you, you seek me not because you saw signs.

You just saw me, you know, called me a ghost and saw me walking on the water and calming all these things. But you seek me because you ate loaves and were filled, which is such a great example of how easily distracted our flesh is against the spiritual things.

Right. C .S. Lewis in Screwtape Letters has such a good line in there to where he where Screwtape is writing to to the to his nephew. And he says, look, you don't have to present the Christian with with all these ungodly things.

Just distract him. Make him hungry. Maybe a bell rings. He has a smell of fresh bread like we just need to distract him away from the things of God. And he can be easily distracted by using his own physical fleshly attributes against him.

And this is what a prime example. I didn't mean to interrupt. And I'm gonna let you finish that point. But what a prime example of our flesh really just overruling the things of the spiritual, because they had just seen this miraculous thing.

And he goes, you're not even you don't even care that you just saw a miracle. You're glad your belly's full.

And and sadly, that's that's the cycle of humanity. I mean, from Old to New Testament, it's God. God creates man, right? Man rebels against God. God forgives man. Man is thankful. Man sins. And so goes the cycle.

Right. Is it's the same principle even back in the wilderness when when what Jesus refers to that the manna. Right. I think that the Hebrew basically the Hebrew translation for manna is what is it? Right.

Yeah. What is it? They they didn't know what to call it. Right. What is it? Well, it's bread from heaven. That's then that's an anthropomorphic terminology you so that we can understand. Right. Because of our pea brains.

Right. Yeah. I mean, I believe Martin Luther said it one time. Maybe this is not an exact quote, but it's something to this. God's word is entirely clear. Man is just stupid. Yeah, that was pretty close.

I mean, that was a clod ism, but that was close. Yeah.

I mean, that sounds like Martin Luther, too, right? I mean, yeah, there was no reference to the devil kissing my backside like Luther would add, but but but the continual the continual we see this repeated throughout the scriptures basically is what it is.

And it repetition helps us to learn and to understand. And anthropomorphically, it does so for us. It's a it's really another benefit and an aid of the scriptures themselves, because when we see when we see God's people fall into sin and we see God call them back, he always reminds them of what he has done.

And that's there's always a point of reference that we have to go to. And that's another beautiful benefit of having the word of God.

Amen. Yeah. Amen. I think it's good to note, too, if, you know, on the same food subject as we opened up in verse 26 is, you know, in my personal life, I I have grown by leaps and bounds when I'm fasting, usually on a water fast.

And mostly it's because of the the dumbness of my flesh being distracted by food and the enjoyment of food. And look at what I don't think either one of us are saying. Yeah, go, go, go on the Lord's Day and feast with with your family and in your church and sit down and have meals with your family.

And it's good to eat. It's good to be sustained and filled. But what I'm saying is I found myself multiple times on a fast going to the refrigerator, opening the door and going, oh, no, I can't have that.

You know, going to the television and going, oh, but I feel hungry. Shut that. It's like the only thing I can do is dive into the word and pray. When I'm fasting, it's like forces me to get away from all the distractions.

I'm starving my flesh literally and figuratively during a fast, not focusing on those on that food and that satisfaction, and instead feasting and and focusing and being satisfied by the word of God through reading, meditation and prayer.

And I think this just is another just in those opening verses, how much we can focus on the physical that distracts us from from the spiritual. And it's for me, like I said, you look at the disciples and go, oh, man, how can you not get this?

But at the same time, I wish there was some way that we could make the comparison of what it was to be fed really well in that time when almost everyone lived in poverty. You were in kind of a class system, right?

These guys were fishermen on the scale of, you know, of jobs. That would be they were lower class. So they got this guy that can just feed them whenever they want. They're hungry. I mean, we can't understand that in this country.

We can go, you know, down the street, 15 feet down the street. And there's a sub shop. There's food. I mean, we have more wealth and food than we know what to do with. You know, we're actually dying from being too fat, from eating too much in this country.

So I wish there was a comparison, too, to where I don't want to knock the disciples or the people following them, because it was a pretty big deal to be fed. Yeah. And then Jesus switches it around and says, well, no, you know, that's the physical bread.

But I'm the bread of life, which I find I find interesting. Yeah. So so he sets that out.

Eternal supernatural provision. Yeah, that's that's the key. Say that again. Eternal supernatural provision. Yeah. Versus right. Versus Tim's oral natural provision. That's why, you know, and we see the analogy use bread, water.

Jesus said, I'm the bread of life, I'm the water of life.

The Bread of Life and the Difference Between Physical and Spiritual Provision

Yeah, and I think this is teeing it up for it being very salvific, too, right? Yes. We're not we're not Catholics. We're not Lutherans. We don't take that literally and take that one verse and then go, if he's the bread and he said, eat his flesh.

Well, that's what the Eucharist is. And now there's a physical transformation in the in the community. Right. We look at the whole thing. We OK, God, Christ is talking about a salvific work here, because if we keep reading, we get into, you know, the 30s.

He gives a speech and he says, I'm the I'm the bread of life. And then he starts talking about the will of God, which I find very interesting. And in verse thirty six. But I said to you that you have seen me yet.

You do not believe. So now he's he's said that twice already in this section. So anytime Jesus says something, it's important for me, a mental note when I'm reading through. He says something twice within just a few verses.

You go, OK, something really important. He's reiterating. Right. You still don't believe all that the father gives me will come to me. And the one who comes to me, I will never cast out. Now, these two verses are reformed folk.

We love these verses. Right. Sometimes they're they're overused in our community. You'll have someone who, you know, argues against election or predestination. And we'll go right to John, you know, six, thirty six and thirty seven.

I go, but look at right here. But I think it's important whether you, you know, look at if you're if you're a minion or you're not Calvinistic in your theology, we have to deal with election and predestination.

It's mentioned 42 times between the two words in the New Testament. So we just can't throw it out. Right. I try. What what do you feel? What do you feel that Christ is saying here when you read through this in thirty six and thirty seven, when he says, look, you don't even believe you still don't believe.

But all that the father gives me will come to me. And the one who comes to me, I will never cast out. You touched on it earlier, but there's some deep theological and doctrinal issues going on in those two verses.

What do you think they are?

All right. So beginning beginning again, and I know it's basic like one oh one reformed theology, but goes back to the sovereignty of God. Sure. Because, well, number one, he continues to point back to Moses.

Again, there's that continual pointing back that reference point. Also also considering God's sovereignty in that and comes in predestination. God's for for ordaining of events. Right. Election. God choosing beforehand.

Moses was an example of just those first three doctrines right there. God's sovereignty, God's predestinating purpose and God's electing purpose in Moses. We see that pointing back to Moses. We see that.

And then when he said, right, he said all that the father gave. I'm sorry. All that the father gives me will come to me. And the one who comes to me, I will never cast out. We see the doctrine of the calling of God.

But what we read, we love Romans again. Right. Everybody loves Romans 828. All things work together for the good of those who God has called and are those are the call according to his purpose. But we tend to forget that, you know, the verse before and the verse after those whom he predestines, he calls.

The calling of God, which is linked to the very next verse. Yeah, that's exactly right. The calling of God is certain.

And then there's in within that calling, there's those subsets. There's there's justification being made right in the sight of God. There's sanctification. Right. God leading his people along is one of the old hymns says God leads his dear children along.

And then there's the doctrine of glorification in this, because all that the father gives me, I will. The one who comes to me, I will never cast out. And then later when we get to it here, we'll see really the doctrine of glorification, the ultimate fulfillment and promise of God's preservation of the saints and keeping of the saints and renewing of the saints in our glorified bodies.

Amen. You know, I don't often like to paraphrase, but sometimes, you know, the Bible, but sometimes when I read it, I'll kind of think back and go, OK, so I'm reading this as Holy Scripture inspired. Sometimes we we kind of, you know, and rightly so.

We put that up on a high pedestal and then we almost read it as if we're reading a I don't know, like something under glass. Sometimes I like to look at it and go, OK, so how is this going in conversation?

Jesus is standing there and he goes, look at you guys. You know, this is how I see it. Almost like if he's talking in regular vernacular. You guys saw all these wonderful things. You still don't believe me, but you want to let the father is going to do what the father is going to do.

He gives me whoever come, whoever he wills to me is going to come. And, you know, and I'll never cast them out because I don't do my will. I do the will of the father. So it's very hard for me when I talk to non reform folks to not make this you know, not make this about election in those two verses, just because of the buildup from starting in twenty six all the way to he's going.

Look at you. You guys don't even believe. But guess what? The father is going to give me exactly who the father is going to give me. And that's his will. And I'm fine with that because I do his will here on earth, not my will.

So it's, you know, if this wasn't about some type of election, you wouldn't even have that verse thirty six there where he's qualifying it with unbelief, in my opinion, because he's he's saying, look, there's you're standing in front of me and you don't believe.

But also, you know, the father is going to give me who he gives me. So I look at that, too. And I say it's very clear that you can be in the presence of Christ. You can have the gospel preached to you.

You can be shown the example of the gospel in Christ. And if your heart is hardened, you will not believe. It is not until we have faith, which faith is a gift from God, right? Even that is a gift. Yeah.

So we see the election built in to that statement, which I think is hard to argue with. I don't know if I've ever had a really good non Calvinistic argument for this group of verses. Let alone many of the others.

And this is one that really confused me in my early 20s when when the Lord saved me. And then and then also reassured me a few verses later. I was taught growing up in church that you can absolutely lose your salvation.

You do that one bad thing. That's just your backslidden too far. That one bad thing that you go too far. And it's like, what what a way to live. I mean, I think that actually repelled me from the faith as a young kid going, well, I don't know what that one thing is.

I'm a pretty bad person every single day. You know, I talk back to my mom when I'm nine. I steal stuff when I'm 13. I I'm out there, you know, partying and doing crazy stuff in my late teens and early adult.

It's like, so what thing is it that that does slip me up? And when I read this at 23, I went, wait a minute. So everything that the father gives him, he doesn't he doesn't lose it. He doesn't slip through his fingers.

It doesn't. And then he raises raises me up on the last day. What's that all about? Can you speak to the assurance that we have in those those verses as well, too?

Yes, absolutely. I think I think like the Roman Catholic faith was was and is even still today a religion of fear. Right. Fear is as with cults, as with all cults. Yeah. Right. Our religions of fear, because it's always based and premised upon what you do.

To merit your good standing or your low standing. Yeah. Right. So it's it's a it's man centered. And the assurance that this this verse particularly brings and in particularly in going back to what I'm going to refer to as the beginning of salvation.

Right. Of course, God has elected predestined. Right. Us from before the foundation of the world. Amen. The problem that then this is a very real problem that folks have a hard time understanding is that God is finite and we are infinite.

God is timeless. Understand, sees, knows all things timelessly. And we, because we are finite, only know things according to time. Yeah. So when I when I make the reference of the beginning of salvation, I'm talking about the point in time where we as individuals understand our lost condition before God, where we are convicted of our sins and where we believe on Jesus Christ.

So particularly starting there with verse 37, all that the father gives to me will come to me. There's an assurance statement there. And Jesus said, the one who comes to me, I will in no wise or no way or I will never cast out, depending on what translation you're reading, there says all of it says the same thing.

But the assurance there is this, that no matter who you are and I know this statement's abused, right? Come come as you are. Right. Yeah. The the the the statement that should always qualify that statement, come as you are to Christ, is come as you are.

But understand, if you're coming to Christ because Christ called you, you will not leave the same that you came. You know, when the blind man was given his sight, he didn't leave the same way when Jesus touched his eyes.

Yeah, he saw when when Jesus healed the lame man. He walked when Jesus raised the dead. Guess what? Life came back in their bodies. They were a few creatures. The woman with the issue of blood that came to Jesus.