Calvary Chapel Split, Incarnation in John 1, More on Morey, Technical Problems

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Okay there you go, so you did have a topic today, right? Yes, yes, and I will include phone calls eventually at eight seven seven seven five three three three four one. I Saved this a couple weeks ago, and I kept forgetting to bring it up.

And I I don't I don't raise this to go nyan-nyan or anything like that. It's just it is fascinating given Some of the interactions we've had with Calvary Chapel the non-denominational denomination over the years.

Evidently, there is a major split in the Calvary Chapel movement, you know that past Chuck Smith passed away and evidently there was a CCA council. But now there has been a split with Brian Broderson and The Mamaship Costa Mesa Church.

Starting the CCGN the Calvary Chapel global network and so CCA and CCGN are at odds with one another and It's interesting the way they laid it out here this is from CCA so just only be their viewpoint.

CCA is building the foundations given to us by Pastor Chuck. CCGN is creating a new blueprint devised by Brian. CCA is being led collectively by a group of men. CCGN will be directed by one man. CCA is a fellowship of pastors and agreed upon philosophy of ministry.

CCGN is a community with no formal affiliation. CCA will continue to have a regional emphasis. CCGN will be centralized in Costa Mesa. Etc, etc. Well I said Long before Chuck Smith passed away that the Unwillingness to be confessional and to have an objective statement of faith that would provide You know some parameters would eventually be a problem.

I've been hearing, you know, not only is the ecclesiology issue in Calvary Chapel rather important. You know, what's the New Testament form of the church you have you have the elders elders pastors overseers bishops.

You have deacons and You have a form of the church you have the ordinances of the church and Obviously if you have people if you have excommunication in the church. If you have putting people out that means, you know You can't people you can't put out what wasn't already in and One of the big issues with Calvary Chapel has always been its utter Resistance to the concept of an accountable church membership and So if you're if you're gonna if you're gonna Once once the strong leader in a movement dies There has to be a strong leader in the second generation to hold together or any movement will just splinter off into a thousand different parts and You know, I'm no I'm no insider I'm just reading this thing.

But a Lot of people had been expecting Brian Broderson to be the sort of the replacement Chuck Smith. Maybe he did too. It's sort of like I've met at least six men that have told me beyond all shadow of a doubt That Walter Martin chose them to be the Bible answer man.

So yes, there'd be a bunch of them out there and So, I'm sure there's a bunch of people that sort of figured by you know Chuck said something to me once while we were on a plane together and I took that to mean, you know you know how that works, but it's Quite a quite an interesting development there and it does make you wonder What the future is gonna hold?

You know once they go start going different directions. What's that gonna mean as far as what a Calvary Chapel is supposed to look like stuff like that. I Does anybody even own that name? I really honestly have no earthly idea.

So Who knows we will see we will see. But that is an interesting interesting development. I Don't remember This isn't really story time with uncle Jimmy. I didn't I Read you some a number of the more important Gnostic Gospels and things like that and I suppose I could find some others Though they become less and less relevant the farther down the list you go sorry time with Jimmy, but it is sort of you know, I just saw something in channel and Even though you know This fellow is helping me out with something It doesn't it doesn't matter because that comment was Had to had to do it had to do it.

I hope he'll he'll survive. Anyway, sorry. Yeah, guys catch that that's that's that's pretty. No, I wasn't. What why do you think that was funny? Man I could use some friends really could Chat is disabled.

Everyone is is is upset with you that you have chat disabled. I just thought you should know that. Now they can hear me anyway, I Don't remember if it was Christmas Eve or Christmas night It would have been somewhere in the middle 1980s, I would guess.

One of our family Traditions was to get together. We had the same tree. We had the same tree for so long That we had to put toothpicks Into the holes in the wood, you know you had these wooden things you put together then they had these holes in you stuck the the the branches into it was a It was a this was a night.

My first recollection of that tree you saw it. You remember it my first recollection that tree was when I was four years of age what? You're sitting there with your hand on them on that tree was so old.

How old was it? I would say it was from 1966. Okay, so I think it was about 1966 when we got that so You'd have stick toothpicks into the holes because the holes had worn out Over the years and the branches just sort of open.

Well, anyway. Yes, poor friendless dog that yeah mark mark mark wants to be my friend. I I need some friends. I've lost a few recently anyway. It was not a tall tree either. It was only like Well, I would say about four or four and a half feet something like that.

But we had it every year and it looked it always looked the same. Every single there was consistency shall we say and one of our traditions would be to sit around turn up turn the lights off except for the tree and Originally it was a 33 Revolution LP, you know 33 rpm Record that we would play.

I have it now an mp3. Of course. I found on iTunes believe it or not. But we would listen well and back then we would have to turn the record over halfway through. Because it was both sides the record but but it was only I sent it to summer recently.

It was only like 24 minutes long, but it was it was a Very Abbreviated Version of a Christmas Carol by Dickens with Lawrence Olivier Doing narration and It was just something we'd listen to on it on Christmas Eve if we were home if you know how it worked out and Maybe it was after that or maybe it was a Christmas night.

I don't forget I don't remember which exactly what it was, but it had to have been somewhere around 1984 because that's right around when I started learning Greek taking Greek at Grand Canyon and My father took Greek at Moody Bible Institute.

I I have We both studied from the exact same Greek grammar. Greek didn't change a whole lot between, you know, 53 and 83 and We both both learned Greek from William Hersey Davis. Any of you who are older folks most of you folks these days are probably Children of William Mounts as that's certainly what I've been teaching for a long time now, too.

But we both studied from the same grammar. I've got his Greek New Testament in the other room. And So now the stream is gone. What it's fine. That's not what they're saying on Twitter. It's on their end.

You're shooting 1080p set. So so why are you telling people in channel select a lower video setting? Oh. Now even Turgeon fan says the video stream for everyone died, but it's our problem. Anyway I don't know what's going on.

I know that we had techno geeks around and they were playing with stuff. So when you play with stuff stuff happens. Anyway, I Had just started learning Greek and my My dad started telling me the story about Kenneth Weiss and the Kenneth Weiss was his Greek professor.

I've told the story before that. We used was a pretty tough teacher and At Moody Bible Institute back in the 50s. There were two tracks. There was the pastoral track and the missions track and it was said that and you had to take Greek for the pastoral track, but not the missions track and it was said that Kenneth Weiss sent more men in the missions field than than anybody else and So He would come into the to class.

And he would start the class with a a a gem from the Greek New Testament or golden nugget golden nugget. And if you've got the Kenneth Weiss set I was gonna bring I was gonna remember to grab one of the sets I forgot but golden nuggets from the Greek texts and things like that.

And so that evening I remember. Because it was I had to sort of sit over toward the tree to have enough light to see the text you know, it was now I realized it was Christmas night because we were sitting at the at the table and we had cleared all the dishes and stuff off from the turkey and And turkey and dressing.

Oh, wow. Anyway. And so my dad started telling me about something that Kenneth Weiss had explained one of those days long long ago in the 1950s and It involved looking at John chapter 1 verse 1, which I believe I am sending to you in some way.

Hopefully, there we go and had to do and I shared this in my book years later. But it had to do with the verbs That are used in the prologue. Now. The prologue is verses 1 through 18 specifically and You'll notice that there are two primary verbs you have the verb ain which is the imperfect form of I me turn on the details there in perfect form of I me and Then Elsewhere For example verse 3 you have a genital which is from the the verb genomi being used in the aorist so all things a genital were made through him and Apart from him a genital Uda-hen apart from him.

Nothing Was made or came into being? That which was made in him was life and the life was the light of man. And so when you look then at verse 6 there came a man a genital Sent from God whose name was John.

And so when you're talking about other things in the prologue that come into existence For example the world dl2 through him again, it's all was made. And so you have When anything that is created is Being referred to you have a genital now.

The aorist is a is normally The aorist is just simply the aorist is the simplest way of stating an action Normally it is in the past. So evidently we're just hopefully recording this for later use right so some people can see it and some people cannot.

Oh. Okay, that's Interesting. Yep. Well, we'll probably have to go back to whatever settings we had before. Last time yes. Yes. Thank you very very much. Anyway, um When anything is created is referred to the aorist is using that most of time in in In almost any context the aorist is going to be a a point action in the past a simple Statement that something happened.

I ate Not I was eating I had eaten Anything along those lines. It's just I ate Doesn't say anything more doesn't say anything about whether I'm still full whether I'm hungry now Nothing along those lines.

Yeah, some people are getting it that that's an issue. I don't know. But There are some times when The emphasis is not upon the past but just simply upon the kind of action. I Note, for example, there are a number of really important places Where the aorist is used to refer to?

He loved us and gave himself for us. Using the aorist and why would that be looking at a particular? action in the past Pointing us specifically to the cross the cross as the Essence of the fulfillment of redemptive love.

So That's where you have The aorist the imperfect however is different and we saw the imperfect up in up in verse 1. And when the logos is referred to rather than get am I being used you have ain? The imperfect so an RK ain.

Halaga sky a logos ain past on down got this ain. Halaga's Hutas ain and RK past on there. So this one was in the beginning. These are not heiress these are imperfects of I mean now I mean is the the verb of being the imperfect refers to a continuous action in the past and unlike The aorist it doesn't point to in the vast majority of instances.

It does not point to a Origination a point of origin. And especially when you say something like in the beginning was the word. If you want to say the word came into being at the beginning you'd want to use some type of form of the aorist for the verb of being.

But by using the imperfect what you're doing is you're saying wherever the beginning is. The word is already in existence because it's a it's a continuous action in the past. So I was eating Rather than I ate it's it's it's continuing now syntactically there there can be places especially in historical narrative where you have The imperfect talking about the beginning of an action the end of an action so long as so there's there's ways of emphasizing different things but the point is it is a in its fundamental meaning a continuous action in in the past and when the logos is referred to John does not use the same verb that he uses of every created thing that is made by the logos.

There's a clear distinction drawn all the way through the prologue until you get to verse 14 and verse 14, of course is one of the absolute key texts of the New Testament in regards to the subject of What we would call today the incarnation and there you have the the text kai halaga Sark's again at all and the word became flesh the word became Flesh and you'll notice it uses again at all.

Now why would that be well. Someone asked a question this morning In channel that sort of touched on this same this same issue. Jesus has not eternally been flesh. The incarnation took place at a point in time.

There was no human nature of Christ Prior to the incarnation it goes back before Adam or something. He's not the eternally incarnate one. The incarnation was a historical event and this is necessary for Jesus to be a true human being and hence to offer his life and and issue of the atonement and hence union with Christ and and these other things and So the logos which has eternally existed the logos Who through whom all things were made at a point in time?

Entered into flesh became flesh and then the the term to to dwell. Skaena 'o Also an heiress Dwelt amongst us plural So word became flesh and then tabernacled. Because it's to dwell in a tent and a lot of people have felt that there is a connection there to the Tabernacle in the Old Testament.

It is interesting that when the writer to the Hebrews Draws attention to what God commanded to be done in the Old Testament He he focuses not upon the temple but upon the tabernacle because that was what God gave specific instruction on as to how it was to be made and he tabernacled amongst us and We beheld his glory.

The glory is of the monogamous the monogamous para Petras and Not going to get into the Argument right now about About how to translate monogamous. This is the unique one para Petras and As soon as you're using Petras you you get the ideas of father and son which are going to be developed So clearly in the rest of the Gospel of John but This unique one this only begotten one from the father This one is glorious.

And it is a unique glory. And he is one that is full of grace and truth and There is an emphasis here, of course upon the reality of the flesh. The fact that he dwelt amongst us and that we are able to look upon him think about beginning of first John.

Where what's what's the emphasis there? The emphasis is upon The touching which our hands touched with the word of life the reality of the incarnation. Jesus wasn't just some phantom the Incarnation took place at time in time.

It truly happened. It wasn't just made to look like it happened halagos sarx agenata the word became flesh and This then becomes the amazing assertion that the Eternal lagos the one who has eternally existed In relationship with the father which is going to be the the emphasis of verses 1 and 18 that all of all of this is Focused down into that reality.

That the word became flesh and dwelt among us. If I was just listening to somebody I forget who it was. Trying to argue that only Matthew and Luke Have any idea of Jesus's birth or any concern about it, but I Think that's completely missing what John's talking about because the word became flesh Tabernacle amongst us through the rest of the gospel John there's gonna be discussions of brothers and sisters and and Things that you know where he was born.

The idea that the John is somehow trying to de-emphasize that just I've never understood. It does not make Any sense at all. It is definitely there In in what Paul is what John is saying? So in the prologue then you have this purposeful Construction on John's part where he chooses the verbs that that he uses to teach us things.

That he speaks of the logos before the incarnation only with these words that emphasize. It's non that the logos is not created. The logos is not just some creature. It's not Michael the Archangel that became incarnate or something along those lines the logos has eternally existed and the logos is he who became flesh and dwelt amongst us.

And when we think about where Jesus is today At the right hand of the father. It's amazing how many people become Gnostics after the resurrection. Where the body of Jesus somehow? goes poof and Disappears.

Or you've got the very interesting Lutheran concept of the ubiquity of the body of Christ. Where the divine attributes are? Communicated to the physical nature so the physical body becomes omnipresent.

A Very interesting perspective as well but at least At least confessional Lutherans still believe Jesus has a body it's just Omnipresent whereas a lot of Christians just don't even really think about it.

It's just you know what? They sort of turn Jesus into a merely spirit creature rather than Still the the incarnate one. It's important to realize our union with him and his Incarnate state are pretty closely related to One another as as the God-man.

Is that the kind of stuff that we're hearing at this season of the year? Well You know, I'll be honest with you of any season of the year you are definitely going to have at least a better chance of Hearing a discussion about the incarnation.

The nature of the hypostatic Union that kind of stuff you're gonna have a better chance This time year than pretty much any other time of year even even more so than at Easter. Because unfortunately at that time there's not in the West anyways sufficient emphasis upon the relationship between atonement and incarnation and I've certainly noticed that like I said The third Stanza sometimes in some of our Baptist hymns and the trend is him.

No, it's like the seventh stanza and we sing all of them. But the third stanza of many of the incarnation hymns will have some incredibly deep Trinitarian theology in it. Those are never the stanzas you get you hear on on the radio, unfortunately.

Okay, now now I've got okay this this guy really I Prost purgatory didn't give him any get him any any wiser. It generally refers to an ongoing process in the past. But imperfect always means that the action is more remote to the main action of the statement and narratives that supplies background info.

Well, yes, I realize that Decker has some interesting interesting perspectives. But no, this is always means that the action is more remote to the main action of the statement. How does that work in John 1 1.

What's the what's the main action of the statement? Hmm, huh B Forbes want to tell us about that, huh? Huh, let's see what you come up with on that. Maybe I'll open the phone lines. Let's uh, let's have a little cross-examination.

Huh? We'll see what happens. Yeah, okay. Yes. Yes, it has it has anyway. Hey, if you're gonna if you're gonna type it in the chat channel there there there you go yes, we know the sound went off for a few minutes beginning and the stream has been doing strange things and I'm just doing my job.

Whether other people are doing there's another issue I Leave that to the audience to judge. By the results in essence. Yes, technical difficulties technical bad connection that that up that oh boy look at that hmm.

Something changed something changed and I and I know what it was we had geeks in the office and The geeks were playing with settings and when you do that, well things things things go wrong. So anyway, uh, This time of year you will get discussions about these things.

Obviously in a lot of churches, there's no real big emphasis upon Incarnational theology or things like that and I'm not even talking about the churches that don't even you know even take note of What time of the year it is or what's going on along those lines and that's fine if you want to you know Go out at that direction.

That's that's perfectly understandable, but When there is a discussion of these things I would I would surely hope that what would take place would be a real focus upon some pretty amazing teachings found in Scripture Regarding the incarnation and and the person of Jesus Christ because it goes far beyond what you get in well in Jingle bells and stories about Santa Claus eight seven seven seven five three three, three, four one will open the Open the phones for you if you would like to call in while While you're doing that if the phones work.

Okay, I can't guarantee anything right now if the phones work you can call eight seven seven seven five three three three four one and We'll get to you one other thing before we go to the billions of phone calls.

I mean, we're just gonna Probably burn the phone lines down. I don't see Anything happening then again with the delay. Where did I put this. Sometime Tuesday afternoon the following email. Came into our contact folder.

Here's what it says. Dr. Robert Maury challenges James White to a public debate on one is The threat of destroying the Kaaba a viable military tool in the West's psychological warfare with radical Islam to.

Where in Scripture is there any basis for calling the military threat of a of a destroying the Kaaba a sin all capitals. Three where in Scripture. Is there any basis demanding repentance all capitals?

For the military threat of destroying the Kaaba. Four is the use of ad hominem name-calling stupid ignorant, etc. A valid argument against the military threat of the destruction of the Kaaba. There was a return address that looks valid to us anyways.

To dr. Robert Maury, I fairly quickly Put up a Facebook response. There are a lot of there there there aren't very many things that leave me speechless. But that was that was definitely one of them that was definitely one of them.

I just I Don't want to spend more time on absurdities than we have to spend on absurdities but unfortunately. This was followed up on Twitter I think the next day with one of Maury's students. Who started off going?

What's so big about Destroying a building and I'm like You do realize that there are it's not out in the desert. By itself, right? I mean there are lots and lots of people around it's it's in Mecca and There's almost never a time when there isn't anybody around.

Oh collateral damage. Oh Okay. So it's so the the issue of actually murdering people is relevant. Well. It's you know collateral damage collateral damage and I guess that wasn't the only guy only guy that was that was going.

Yeah, it sounds like sounds like a good idea. Yeah that should be something that the The West, you know hangs over there by his head a number of people point out and I I sort of mentioned it in passing.

You do realize. Because knows what it says. Is the threat of destroying the Kaaba a viable military tool in the West's psychological warfare with radical Islam? Now immediately I go back to the original quotations from Maury.

What was he talking about? He was talking about destroying the Kaaba. Why? So that the fifth pillar could not be fulfilled. That's religious not military. That's a religious thing so don't don't don't try to change the subject.

To avoid the fact that you're talking about using weapons of mass destruction. Against a religion on a religious basis that's what you're talking about doing and you're talking about doing this within the context of being a Christian leader a Christian minister which sort of puts you in the same Mindset and behavior realm as the Taliban really does just the Christianized version of it.

But Maybe he's not aware of this. Oh, yeah the same troublemaker in channel. Did point out that at a later point in that conversation the guy said. Well, I always heard Maury say bombing not nuking. Yeah, it's that that's that's a big difference.

Okay, anyway. Maybe maybe dr. Maury's not aware of this. But you do realize that there are many Muslim groups and in fact the most radicalized Muslim groups. Want to destroy the Kaaba. You not aware that.

You don't know the many plots the the attempts. The building itself has been torn down and rebuilt a number of times. Okay. And The whole issue of the fifth pillar is irrelevant now anyways because technically There aren't enough places to go on Hajj for all the Muslims the world to do it.

Anyways, so that's that all that is just the idea that Islam would end if the fifth pillar couldn't be fulfilled is just. It is it's absurd. It comes from just not thinking or just being so radically Islamophobic that you your your thought processes become twisted but Maury is suggesting what Isis suggests.

Which wants wants to destroy the Kaaba because they view it as a place of idolatry. And the Saudis are constantly having to guard Against suicide bombings and and everything else of the Kaaba so why say.

Is the threat of destroying the Kaaba a viable military tool in the West psychological warfare with radical Islam. When you're actually agreeing with radical Islam, and in fact, they would think it would be pretty cool if you pulled it off.

Could you explain that? No, let's not bother. Where in scripture is any base for calling the military threat of destroying the Kaaba a sin? What is a sin is for any person who pretends to want to see the salvation of Muslim people.

To think that that could be accomplished using weapons of mass destruction. There are little boys and girls right around the Grand Mosque in Mecca and You want to vaporize them? For what exactly again to accomplish what to destroy the fifth pillar of Islam this somehow is gonna cause Islam to collapse.

And regards number four. It's if what I was saying if evidently dr. Mori does not understand what ad hominem argumentation is. Ad hominem argumentation would be dr. Mori is so stupid that what he says about Islam is wrong.

Okay, that would be ad hominem because I'm basing my argument upon an argument against the man ad hominem. Saying that it is stupid to say that Nuking the Kaaba would destroy Islam is not an ad hominem argument.

If you can't tell a difference between the two you haven't done much study in the field of argumentation. Now I generally don't refer to people's ideas as stupid, but there are some Ideas that are just simply stupid.

They are they are beneath a Level of any meaningful respect and yes clearly when someone has evidenced an ability To do meaningful work in certain areas and then in this area shows such outrageous Disregard for every level of rationality truth scripture Christian behavior everything.

Yeah that that's where Stupid Comes in at that particular point in time so Where in scripture is there any base for demanding repentance for the military threat of the Kaaba? Anybody who cannot understand?

You know look to all of you Bob Mori fans that think it's that I'm soft Because I want to take off the table the threat of nuking the Kaaba. Let me just tell you something I Cannot begin to understand for a second How anyone could have spent any time?

Whatsoever on their knees Praying to the Lord of the harvest To bring the gospel and use me to do it bring the gospel to the Muslim people to reveal Jesus Christ To the Muslim people. I Cannot begin to believe that anyone who has any meaningful compassion in their hearts for the Muslim people Could even begin To contemplate the foolishness of the concept under discussion here I Can't believe it.

I Can't begin to understand it if you are praying for those people. You are not going to want to nuke Those people and I can't see Anyway for you to say oh, yes, yes, yes I want to pray for the I pray for them and I weep for them and I'm doing everything I can To to present the gospel of grace to them While holding over their head the possibility of nuking the Kaaba just so that we can Nuke the Kaaba because it wouldn't accomplish anything.

Well, it would it would accomplish something. It would it would unite Muslims around the world in a way. They've never been united before that's that's painfully obvious, but I I'm sorry. I do not your your.

Your actions are speaking louder than your words your concepts. The incoherence of your concepts are speaking much louder than your words. You can pretend all you want that you have a heart for the Muslim people.

But if you want to vaporize them Before you even get an opportunity to evangelize them Then how are you different than al Qaeda? How are you different than Isis? I don't see any difference you you just you're just the westernized version and You make a and and and this is an interesting insight.

I Find your claim To believe the gospel to be as incoherent as many of my Muslim friends find the claims of the Al Qaeda murderers and the Isis murderers to be Muslim. They they go that that can't be that can't be my faith.

Those people are doing things. They're totally against what I understand my faith. Well, I think it's far clearer far clearer for a Christian To look at the New Testament and go. Hmm. Where does the New Testament give warrant?

For for Christians to Promote the use of weapons of mass destruction as a means of well, I Guess that couldn't be evangelization, huh? Are you just assuming that Mecca has been thoroughly evangelized and they've they've all turned their back and so We can just assume they've all heard the gospel with clarity.

And so now we can. What's that? Well, yeah. Beyond God's reach. Well, maybe um, I see you in the same way that they see them. And I and I get the feeling that most of you who take this perspective you don't see differences between Muslims anyways they're just they're just all the same and you you just.

You're you're one of those that always gets angry when I try to point out the differences between Muslims. No. No, no one big monolith one. They're all the same and if they pretend they're not then they're just trying to fool you it's just Takiyah, you know and My experience in the past Continues to be my experience today.

There's no reasoning with folks like that. There's no reasoning. People go well you should have you should have an argument to punch through that. No if there's any meaningful argument Requires reason on the part of the person to whom you are presenting the argument if there's no reasoning going on argumentation is irrelevant and There are people on both sides thankfully.

They're the minority in the fringe, but there are people on both sides. Where the rational processes have stopped now have they stopped? Why are they stopped and I've said before Remember Christopher Hitchens used to say religion poisons everything.

He was wrong. False religion poisons a bunch of stuff so he was close. But he missed the important part about true religion and true faith. But religion can poison many things and that religion can take many different forms many different forms and there is a nasty Military any type of militarized Christianity is going to be a perversion.

Because what what what's the power that has been given to the church? Is it is it a is it a missile? Is it a bomb? Is it a plane? Is it some type of modern weapon of mass destruction? What is what's the one power has been given to the church?

Power of the gospel. That's it. That's all we've been given only the gospel can change hearts and minds. There's nothing else that can do it. Nothing else you can do it so there's a fundamental distrust or abandonment of belief in the power of the gospel when you start looking for other things or Certainly a redefinition of what the church is supposed to be about.

But I really do start to wonder at times How many of those who will speak out and calling for Radical actions like this have spent one moment in sincere prayer to God that the gospel of Jesus Christ Would be caused to go forth with power amongst the Muslim people.

Now, of course as soon as I mentioned that I had some anti-calvinist zealot Right back going. Oh, you're more loving to your God who doesn't elect all of them. It's like social media. The whole thing, you know, it used to just be comment boxes were the Internet ignorance aggregators now, it's Twitter and Facebook as well.

It's that just As soon as a thought crosses your mind no matter how facile Incoherent or erroneous it might be we can now express it. Just let's make sure the whole world Catches our Our thoughts. Yeah but There you go.

I I have absolutely positively no interest whatsoever. And I Cannot well, first of all As I said last time given how dr. Mori has debated has behaved in debates past I have no basis upon which to believe that there that any of agreed to set of parameters Behaviors and I that would ever be followed Ever be followed.

But more importantly than that When I engage in debate I want to debate something that has some meaningful content to it and There is from a Christian perspective There is no meaningful content To the assertions that Robert Mori has made now I know he's trying to dial him back to say well the West has to have in its psychological warfare with radical Islam.