December 30, 2020 Show with Dr. Tony Costa on “The State of the Church in Canada”

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And if I sound a bit somber in my voice that is because I just left a funeral at Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, Pennsylvania where I am a member. And we were gathered there at the funeral of a member of Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle who went home to be with the Lord at only 41 years of age.

I would appreciate you all praying for the family of David Auger and thankfully and praise be to God he was a man of impeccable faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, a faith that he zealously shared and declared whenever given the opportunity.

And it was very moving to hear the last sermon he preached at a local nursing home here in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. Thankfully he had the notes within access after he went home to be with the Lord which my pastor used as a part of his sermon today at the funeral.

So please pray for the David Auger family. It must be such an enormous loss and shock for them since David was a very healthy athletic young man and seemingly at the prime of his health, strength, and vitality.

But it is believed he had an abnormality in his heart which caused the heart attack which took him to be with Christ instantly apparently. And so please pray for this family and especially pray for those who do not yet know you in that family that this death might be used for the purpose that David certainly would want it to be used to bring those lost family members and loved ones into an eternally saving relationship with Jesus Christ so that he, David, can one day meet with them again in glory in the arms of their Savior.

So thank you all for praying for the Auger family. And I'm very delighted to have a returning guest today, a brother whom I have loved to interview and also have loved to orchestrate speaking engagements and debates for him.

And his name is Dr. Tony Costa who is Professor of Apologetics and Islam at Toronto Baptist Seminary. And we are going to be addressing the theme, The State of the Church in Canada. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back.

To On Interpreting Zion Radio, Dr. Tony Costa. Well, it's a great pleasure. Again, my condolences on your church. Yes, it is an infinitely better thing to be snatched from.

This earth at a very young age while you know Christ and love and serve Christ than to live to 100 years old and die as his enemy. I can't even comprehend what that day will be like for those who die in their sins still in rebellion against Christ.

But thankfully, that was far from the case with David Auger. And it was certainly a blessing to hear those who knew him well give their testimonies of him. But before we go on to our theme today, Tony, why don't you tell our listeners about Toronto Baptist Seminary?

Yes, Toronto Baptist Seminary is churches and you're not one to be what you could do and so forth. So and if anybody wants to find out more about Toronto Baptist Seminary, go to.

Tbs .edu. Tbs standing for Toronto Baptist Seminary dot edu. Well, our theme, as I said earlier, is the state of the church in Canada. And I'm sure that this will be an eye opener for many of your cousins south of the border here in North America.

Some here in America seem to think that the way things are going in our country, the rapid decline that we are spiraling into as seen in the recent election of Joe Biden, whether genuine or fraudulent.

Either way, you could look at this. It's a horrible sign of where the hearts of Americans are, either those that voted for him, who gleefully supports the murder of unborn children and the sexual mutilation of children through hormone injections and surgery and so on.

Or if it is an election by fraud, either way, it's a sign. It's a deep and dark sign of the spiritual health of this nation. But I don't think that the picture is any brighter from what I understand from the conversations I've had with you.

I don't think that the picture is any brighter north of the border. But tell us exactly why you wanted to speak.

On this issue today. Let me give our email address out for our listeners right away in.

The event that they'd like to ask a question or even give a comment regarding their own personal experience being a Christian in Canada. Our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

Please give us your first name, at least your city and state of residence and your country of residence if you live outside the USA. And please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

That's chrisarnsen at gmail .com. Well, tell us about even beyond these legal restrictions and mandates and so forth. To start with, tell us more about the spiritual health, the theological soundness of the Church in Canada.

Give us something of a weather report, if you will, on the climate of Christendom there.

The Spiritual Climate of the Church in Canada

Yeah, I think the climate is pretty similar to what you see with the young adults in a number of these churches. Evangelism, the attitude up here, you know, just leave things alone, don't rob them. As far as the doctrines of sovereign grace, how prevalent are they,.

Otherwise known as reform theology and nicknamed Calvinism and so on?

Canada, Church of England, those who have been raised in a more conservative, reformed Church of England, and the concept of... Now, since we are talking about the state of the Church in Canada.

And also how the Canadian government may be imposing certain restrictions and so on upon the Church, going back to this pastor that you mentioned, this friend of yours whom we may just interview here on Iron Trip and Zion Radio, if everything works out, how is he responding to this threat of this grotesque fine of a hundred thousand dollars and this frightening sentence looming over him of a possibility of a year in prison?

How is he responding to this, and how should Christians be responding to these mandates and regulations that are being imposed on us? There is, as you know, differences of opinion in the body of Christ, even among those that share the same theology.

There are confessionally Reformed Baptists who disagree over this, sharply disagree, and there are even Church splits that I'm aware of. Actually, I don't know of any Reformed Baptist Church splits that have taken place over this, although there may be, but I know of people who have left conservative Presbyterian churches over their disagreements over mask mandates and things like that.

It's a very sad thing in the body of Christ when you see people becoming very embittered towards each other over how they respond to these government impositions and so forth. So, tell us about your friend, first and foremost, and feel free to give as much information as you think he would be willing to share publicly, and also what you have in common with him as far as, or even in disagreement with him, as far as.

An appropriate Christian response to all this. Yes, well, his name is Pastor Aaron. Of course,.

He would be one of the few pastors where it would absolutely be inappropriate to have a church named.

Church of the Rock, referring to him upon this rock, mainland China, and a brother with social distancing, and open about that in his church, and he pastors a church of 1300 people, creations, quarantine, and so forth, and what he did was, again, he was abiding by the law, he was being charged with a charge, they said he violated the health order, the municipal health order, not to have rights in religion, a religious system, and hopefully if it reaches the supreme family, they're being called out right now.

We have to go to our first break right now,.

And if you would like to join us on the air with a question for Dr. Tony Costa of your own, again, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, chrisarnsen at gmail .com, c-h-r-i-s-a-r-n-z-e-n at gmail .com.

Please give us your first name, at least your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA. Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

Let's say you are a pastor in Canada, and you really don't feel comfortable drawing attention to your own identity, depending upon what it is you are going to ask or say. Well, we can understand something like that being the case, and a good reason to remain anonymous, but if you're just asking a general question, please give us at least your first name, city and state, and country of residence.

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We are addressing the state of the church in Canada. If you have any questions for Dr. Costa, send them to chrisarnzen at gmail .com. C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. Give his first name at least.

Sitting state of residence in your country of residence if you live outside the USA. We have Grady in Ashboro, North Carolina, a very faithful listener and financial supporter of this program. He says, Hi brothers, my wife and I have been home over a week with COVID -19.

It's really been rough, but our Heavenly Father has certainly been near. Our governments are so secular and satanic that they have no fear of our Lord Jesus Christ, and so greedy that all that matters is that we bow down to the government.

If the government guidelines worked, I can guarantee that my wife would not have come down with COVID -19. It seems to me that these so-called guidelines are to forbid the worship of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

Is this what you're assessing the situation to be in Canada? Why else would they forbid worship of the one true God, but allow what.

Seems to be very sinful businesses opening? Yes, I would. When it does talk it on the populace. They are following the guidelines, masking up all the time in the United States. Put on a mask, only 10 people, no more than 10.

Thank you, Grady. We have CJ from Lindenhurst, Long Island,.

New York, who wants to know, is the Canadian government being even-handed with these.

Restrictions with other religions such as Islam? With any house of worship, whether it's synagogue, whether it's... Thank you, CJ. We have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York, and Bobby says,.

There are brothers and sisters in Christ who say that we are whining and complaining like babies when we never have even come close to tasting the kind of persecution that our brothers and sisters in Christ have had to experience in other parts of the world for many centuries.

How do you respond to that kind of criticism, and that we should also be obeying the civil authorities above us, when it comes to these restrictions that may be inconvenient, but are.

Really nothing more than an inconvenience in comparison? Yes, because we need to flatten the curve. Then it becomes, or which says, you know what, I can't order, lend, you cannot express or exercise your God-given rights, cases like this, into prison, and from worshiping Yahweh.

Now, we're not at that pulp hold, two years and under, and the midwives deliberately have children, have them aborted and so forth, and given certain inalienable rights, like Annabelle. I mean, that was the whole situation with that representation.

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We are excited to announce another new member of the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio advertising family. Banu Gadi, owner of three New York pharmacies, Lee's Drugs of Floral Park, Long Beach Chemists, and Prescription Center of Long Island in Hempstead.

Banu Gadi earned a doctorate in pharmacy degree and is very knowledgeable on the current coronavirus pandemic. Please contact Dr. Gadi so he and his expert staff can give you proper guidance amid all the contradictory confusion we are all hearing in the media.

To find the pharmacy nearest you, call 516 -354 -2000. That's 516 -354 -2000. Or order online at leesdrugsrx .com. That's L-E-E-S-drugsrx .com. Don't forget to ask about their discount generic drug program.