August 3, 2020 Show with Adam Dooley on “Hope When Life Unravels”

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And this is August the 3rd, 2020. And before I introduce my guest and the topic that we are going to be addressing, it's a very appropriate topic to hear after what I'm about to say. But there are friends of mine, very dear friends of mine, who both lost very important individuals within the last few days, and I want to dedicate this show to them.

Many of you, especially those who have listened to this show going back to 2005 when we first launched, many of you will recognize the name Dr. Latane C. Scott, author, a former Mormon who came to the true Christ and true gospel of the scriptures.

Well, her precious beloved husband, Dan, after battling a long debilitating illness, he went home to be with the Lord, and that was just several days ago. I was saddened to hear the news, but at the same time, Dan was a faithful Christian, and Latane has every ounce of certainty that he is now for eternity in the arms of Christ.

And in fact, it was a very moving account that Latane provided the fact that Dan was in her arms when he passed so peacefully into the arms of his Savior, and they had been married 47 years. So, please pray for Latane C. Scott and her children, who are now in the mourning process over having lost Dan.

And on top of that, many of you also may remember folks that I have interviewed, a couple, a dear sweet couple who are very important in my life, Jerry and Fern Hill, the founder of the Timothy Hill Children's Ranch in Riverhead, Long Island, New York.

The Timothy Hill Children's Ranch was founded in the, I believe, the late 70s, and was founded and named after their son, Jerry and Fern Hill's son, Timothy, who was 12 years old and killed in a horrible accident riding his bicycle to school, killed by a truck driver.

And they knew that Timothy had a heart for homeless children, even as a young child, because he had witnessed his parents taking in foster children, and he had actually said that he wanted to one day start a ranch for homeless children.

Timothy loved farm animals and actually saved up money from his paper route and bought his own horse, an Appaloosa horse named Apple, bought with his own money. How many 12-year-olds have you ever heard of who could do that?

Well, the Timothy Hill Ranch was founded in Timothy's honor after that tragic death of their son. Well, the Hills, just a couple of days ago, lost another son. Their second oldest, Timothy would have been the oldest, their second oldest son, Thomas, passed away after a battle with pancreatic cancer, quite a deadly form of cancer that usually has very little hope for rescue.

Although I know one person who has lived for decades after surviving pancreatic cancer, the doctors amazingly and nearly miraculously found this cancer very early on in the beginning stages, which hardly ever happens.

But my friend Bobby Lloyd is a survivor of pancreatic cancer, but that's a very rare thing. But Thomas Hill died of pancreatic cancer, and Thomas was a rebel. He was raised in a very strong Christian home.

His parents, as I just mentioned, Jerry and Fern Hill, dear Christian saints. And Thomas, even having had the privilege and the benefit of being raised by two wonderful Christian parents, he was a black sheep in the family and a rebel for many years.

And then, thankfully, praise be to God, this illness, this pancreatic illness, was used by God to bring Thomas to repentance and to a right relationship with Christ before he departed this earth. I was so moved by the way Thomas's younger brother Thaddeus Hill, who is now the executive director of the Timothy Hill Children's Ranch.

Thaddeus, or he is affectionately known as Thud by his friends, he posted on Facebook the night of Thomas Hill's passing, which was just a couple of days ago. I think it may have been Saturday. At 9 .09 p .m., my big brother Tom passed on from this world.

He was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer a few months ago. The last couple of months have been filled with many family dinners, fire pit hangouts, laughter, prayers, singing, one last swim in the ocean, and even a fishing trip off Montauk, which is in eastern Suffolk County, Long Island.

God allowed a great deal of healing to happen in our family in recent months, and through Tom's journey, it strengthened our family bonds. I'm grateful that God uses the mess in this life to bring about a message.

The message he brought forth from Tom's journey is you can always come back home to family and to Jesus and Abba, and love never fails. It always wins. I expect that Tom has been hugged by Jesus and Timothy already, and as I mentioned, Timothy would have been their older brother who died when he was 12.

I'm glad to know you are forever at peace, Tom. Give Timothy, Jesus, and Abba a hug for me. That's Thaddeus Hill, Executive Director of the Timothy Hill Children's Ranch in Riverhead, Long Island, New York.

If anybody wants to find out more about the Timothy Hill Ranch, it's a good place to include in your charitable donation list. Their website is timothyhill .org. Well, after having said that, as I said before, we have a perfect guest today.

He's a first-time guest on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, very strongly recommended to me by my friend, Pastor Ron McKinney. Pastor Ron strongly urged me to invite Adam on the show. Adam Dooley is pastor of Inglewood Baptist Church of Jackson, Tennessee.

Today we're going to be discussing his book, Hope When Life Unravels, Finding God When It Hurts. It's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens.

Iron Radio, Adam Dooley. Chris, it's great. My pleasure. Let me give my audience our email.

Address right away in the event that they would like to join us with a question of their own. Our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, c-h-r-i-s-a-r-n-z-e-n at gmail .com. As always, please give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

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Adam Dooley’s Church, Salvation, and the Book Born from Suffering

Well, very first of all, why don't you describe in summary form something about the church where you pastor, Englewood Baptist Church of Jackson,.

Tennessee. Yeah, Chris, I've been here at Englewood for... Praise God. And if you wouldn't mind now,.

Oh, first of all, let me also give the website for your church if anybody's interested in looking up more about Englewood Baptist Church there in Englewood, Tennessee. The email, I'm sorry, the website address is ebc, for Englewood Baptist Church, at jackson .org, ebcjackson .org, and that's Englewood Baptist Church of Jackson, Tennessee.

I apologize. So I'm assuming that Englewood must be a nearby town or a suburb of Jackson, or I don't know how that connection.

Works. Yeah, Englewood was a commun... Praise God. And I also want to give a plug to my friend,.

Pastor Ron McKinney's church, since he's the one that first informed me about our guest today, Adam Newley, and urged me to interview him. Ron McKinney is pastor of Kinsey Drive Baptist Church in Dalton, Georgia, and that website is kinseydrivebaptistchurch .com, kinseydrivebaptistchurch .com, and he is actually going to be our guest this Thursday.

So we hope that you tune in to hear another interview with Ron McKinney. We are still working on a title, a theme, and if, and Ron, if you're listening, perhaps you can email me the theme, because we had not yet chosen one for our next interview.

Well, as I told you before the broadcast, brother, whenever I have a first-time guest on the program, especially if they are a Christian, which would mean the vast majority of our guests, I occasionally have a non-Christian on the show if they have something of value to say to the body of Christ, but the vast majority of my guests are Christians, and whenever I have a first-time guest, they give a summary of their salvation testimony, including the kind of religious atmosphere in which they were raised, if any, and the providential circumstances our sovereign Lord raised up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them.

So that would.

Include you, if you could give us a summary of that story. Yeah, I'm happy to do that, and I did with it.

So this had a profound effect on your theology and your Christian life, this discovery of what has been called the doctrines of sovereign grace, God's authority and control over all things. Is this something that is a hallmark of the church there in Jackson, Tennessee?

You know, I wouldn't say we celebrate in the Baptist tradition. Well, this book of yours, I'm.

Sure is going to find a treasured place in the homes and lives of our listeners and others who are experiencing painful trials in their life, and the trial that really gave birth to this book of yours is the fact that your three-year-old son, well, he was three at the time, was diagnosed with leukemia, and tell us about that, your young three-year-old son, Carson, how and why you discovered this very terrifying disease to be present in your son's life.

Was it just a routine checkup, or were there symptoms? Tell us about it from the very beginning.

Well, I'm happy to do that, and even before doing... What was this? Well, I think one of the very first.

Things that we should discuss is your counsel as somebody who's not only a pastor and a shepherd, an under-shepherd of God's people, but somebody who has walked the road of being the parent of a child with a deathly or deadly illness.

Tell us about your counsel for those of our listeners who may be hearing this show, and they may be in the very fresh stage of discovering that they have a child who has a very serious, debilitating, or deadly illness, and it might even be a spouse.

It might even be themselves, but the initial stages, the initial things that you would counsel our listeners to hear in regard to preparing them to respond for such a thing.

Trusting God’s Sovereignty in Suffering

Yeah, we have to go to our first break right now. If anybody would like to join us on the air with.

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Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter and before I return to the discussion I just want to read an endorsement for this book by one of my favorite authors and preachers Dr. Erwin Lutzer who is Pastor Emeritus at Moody Church in Chicago, Illinois.

In fact I'm very excited that Dr. Lutzer will be my guest very soon for the very first time to discuss his book When a Nation Forgets God Seven Lessons We Must Learn from Nazi Germany. He was supposed to be on already to discuss that book but I believe it was the very next day after I was rushed to the hospital in early July with congestive heart failure that Dr. Lutzer was scheduled to be on so we have to reschedule his interview and I will keep you updated on that but Dr. Lutzer says suffering comes to us in many ways and if we respond to it correctly it always results in spiritual fruit.

In this personalized account of his own suffering when his son was diagnosed with leukemia Adam Dooley shows us the relevance of scripture's promise for us today. Here is help for those who suffer and wonder whether God can be trusted in the dark night of the soul.

As I said that was Erwin Lutzer. Well you had mentioned in the beginning of the program that some of your initial thoughts some of your initial things possibly even verbally spoken out loud I don't think things that you later had to repent for and one of the reasons why I think it's valuable that you were honest enough to say that is that there are many people who may beat themselves up for years if not decades after thinking things that are untrue accusations against God that are untrue perhaps even things that are blasphemous but God can bring about true repentance and restoration over those things.

If you could just mention some of that to our listeners who might have gone through a season perhaps they're still going through a season of thinking wrongly about God and they need to be brought to repentance over this for the first time but also to encourage those that they need not torture themselves over things if they come to repentance to the cross they can.

Know that they are forgiven. Sure. Well you know there are and that's what I would say many folks.

Who are outside of the doctrines of God's sovereignty they accuse us who very strongly believe in the sovereignty of God of making God the author of evil and making God the blame for horrible and wicked and painful things that occur in life.

How can one escape those charges or refute them in the midst of knowing that God is in control over everything. And to put it in another way uh the way you headed one of your chapters.

Who's really to blame for our suffering? Right three. And I pointed out to our people. Yes and.

There are folks that probably shudder at the mere mention or insinuation they shudder with horror perhaps disgust and anger in our declaring that there is a dark side of God's love. Some would say that can never be but they much they in order for them to say that logically they must never have had a concept what makes a truly loving parent for instance.

I mean there's even a dark side of the love of parents. There is a disciplined side. There is side that involves righteous indignation uh not cruelty not viciousness not uh dictatorial behavior on the part of parents.

But. But there is a dark side nonetheless. And of course uh that is a very evident side of God's love and God's character throughout the both of the old and new testaments.

Well and think about the alternative here because the one thing that's not debatable is that there is pain. He is anemic. In fact that's where we have to uh pick up where you left off.

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