Genesis 4:17-5:32 Two Broken Paths

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The Truth of All God’s Word in an Obscure Genealogy

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That would be a huge help for us this morning, but thank you for again. Thank you for coming and joining us in worship this morning. Just kind of introduce the message this morning and kind of get us thinking in the terms of God's Word.

Here at Recast, we believe in the truth of God's Word, and I don't say that just tongue-in-cheek. I hope that you have realized that as you've attended here, and many of you have been here week after week, and some of you for quite a while.

But we believe in the truth of all of God's Word, and I think this text this morning is an example of the way that we approach the entire Word of God. It would be easy for us to brush aside what we're going to see as two genealogies, the line of Cain and the line of Seth, his brother.

It would be easy to skip those and kind of move on to the good stuff, right? The meaty stuff, the things that really just impact our lives. I doubt that many of you have ever memorized or heard anybody who has memorized a portion of Genesis 4, 17 through the end of chapter 5.

You know, memorize those verses about Methuselah or Mahujel, or did you even know that name? Mahujel or Methushael or some of these guys? I don't think you probably memorized those. But there's truth for our lives found even what appears at face value to be an obscure list of ancient names.

We're going to find that there's something in this for us here where we live today, even in what appears to be an obscure text. You see, the T in recast stands for truth. And some of you are aware of this and some of you are not, that our name is an acronym for our core values, so that every time I say the name recast, I'm thinking in my mind something about the core values of our church.

The R and the E stand for reproducing, that our church desires to be a church that starts other churches. And just to clarify that, I would love it if we had already planted another church. What we are waiting for is somebody who God is raising up to lead another church plant.

We're not going to go plant another church without God giving leadership to that to begin with. And so I would encourage you to be praying for that and that notion of reproducing. Some of you might even think, you know, regarding our space issues, well, couldn't we just plant another church?

Not without the person to lead that. And so I just want to clarify that up front, that that's got to be something that happens. But reproducing, community, authenticity, simplicity, and truth. And the T is there for us in that the Word of God is the truth.

That this is where we come to know God and know what He has to say. And if there's anything that you get out of coming to recast on a Sunday morning, I hope it is a connection with God through His Word in a way that demonstrates to you how important scripture really is to us.

So I want you to open your Bibles, please, to Genesis chapter 4. We're going to start in verse 17 and go all the way through the end of chapter 5. You'll find that a little bit on page 3 in the Bible in the seat back in front of you.

The rest of it is after that. So just a little bit there. If you don't own a Bible, please take that one with you. Again, just even thinking about T for truth, we desire for everybody to have a copy of God's Word in their hands that they can take home with them and read.

So you can take that one with you if you'd want. But follow along as I read Genesis 4, 17, through chapter 5, verse 32. Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. When he built a city, he called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch.

To Enoch was born Erad, and Erad fathered Muhujael, and Muhujael fathered Methushael. By the way, I might butcher a couple of these if any of you are Hebrew scholars out there. And Methushael fathered Lamech, and Lamech took two wives.

The name of one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. Adah bore Jabal. He was the father of all those who dwell in tents and have no place to dwell. He was the father of all those who don't have livestock.

His brother's name was Jubal. He was the father of all those who play the lyre and the pipe. Zillah also bore Tubal-Cain. He was the forger of all instruments of bronze and iron. The sister of Tubal-Cain was Nama.

Lamech said to his wives, Adah and Zillah, hear my voice, you wives of Lamech, listen to what I say. I've killed a man for wounding me, a young man for striking me. If Cain's revenge is sevenfold, then Lamech's is seventy-sevenfold.

And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son, and called his name Seth. For she said, God has appointed for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him. To Seth also a son was born, and he called his name Enosh.

At that time people began to call upon the name of the Lord. This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. When God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.

When Adam lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years, and he had other sons and daughters. Thus all the days that Adam lived were 930 years, and he died.

When Seth had lived 105 years, he fathered Enosh. Seth lived after he fathered Enosh 807 years, and had other sons and daughters. Thus all the days that Adam lived were 930 years, and he died. The days of Seth were 912 years, and he died.

When Enosh had lived 90 years, he fathered Kenan. Enosh lived after he fathered Kenan 815 years, and had other sons and daughters. Thus all the days of Enosh were 905 years, and he died. When Kenan had lived 70 years, he fathered Mahalal.

Kenan lived after he fathered Mahalal 840 years, and had other sons and daughters. Thus all the days of Kenan were 910 years and he died when Mahalal had lived 65 years. He fathered Jared. Mahalal lived after he fathered Jared 830 years and had other sons and daughters.

Thus all the days of Mahalal were 895 years and he died when Jared had lived 162 years. He fathered Enoch. Jared lived after he fathered Enoch 800 years and had other sons and daughters. Thus all the days of Jared were 962 years and he died.

When Enoch had lived 65 years he fathered Methuselah. Enoch walked with God after he fathered Methuselah 300 years and had other sons and daughters. Thus all the days of Enoch were 365 years. Enoch walked with God, and he was not for God took him.

When Methuselah had lived 187 years he fathered Lamech. Methuselah lived after he fathered Lamech 782 years and had other sons and daughters. Thus all the days of Methuselah were 969 years and he died.

When Lamech had lived 182 years he fathered a son and called his name Noah saying out of the ground that the Lord has cursed. This one shall bring us relief from our work and from the painful toil of our hands.

Lamech lived after he fathered Noah 595 years and had other sons and daughters. Thus all the days of Lamech were 777 years and he died after Noah was 500 years old. Noah fathered Shem Ham and Japheth.

Cain’s Line: City Building, Culture, and Violence

Let's pray father we have just read. What could in our minds potentially be one of the driest sections of the entire book of your word and yet I? Pray that you would make it come alive to us in a way We see an obscure list of ancient names a bunch of really high What appear to be inflated numbers of ages and father just some things that could be confusing in our minds and some things that are Distant from our cultural context, but one thing remains true.

And that is that we are seeing in our we are seeing in our text this morning two Fallen lines two groups of broken people but one group Expressing faith and the other following their ancestor who did not express faith and father I pray that you would open our eyes to what faith does in our lives father that you would help us to worship you by faith this morning and to recognize that you are the God who loves us.

You are the God who created gardens and colors and Flavors and all of the good things that we experience in life. You love us. We've messed it up, and we've broken it. But you are still pursuing us you love us.

And you care and I pray that you would let our hearts be filled with your love and with focus on you this morning in Jesus name. Amen. Well if you can go ahead and make yourself comfortable remember you can get more coffee more doughnuts or juice and then have your Bibles open to Genesis chapter 4 the second half and then Genesis 5 there I'm guessing.

Well, how many of you are reading through the Bible in a year are any of you out there? Have you started that kind of process a handful of you? Let me let me back up then and just ask a further question how many of you have ever read the book of Genesis?

Okay, there's a lot more hands that are up for that. I'm guessing that if you if you're reading through the Bible in a year. Or you've read the book of Genesis that you really came to this section. And then just really spent a lot of time in reflection on this.

Like this is where you camped and you drew a lot of application from this and you were like this is this is like home Court right here. Probably not so much. But I just want to set the stage here for a little bit and remind you where we're where we're coming from last week.

We encountered Cain and Abel. Abel offered a sacrifice by faith and was accepted by God. Cain offered a sacrifice Without faith and therefore was not accepted by God. Both came both brought a sacrifice.

We pretty much all agreed that that was a good thing to bring a sacrifice to God both doing good external Things but the heart was different in the two remember that so one exhibited faith according to the New Testament.

We can go straight to that in Hebrews and see that it outright declares that Abel had faith. And that's why his his sacrifice was accepted. So that's the primary difference between Cain and Abel was their faith now we and now that we come to our passage.

There's another primary difference. Abel is dead and Cain is not right. That's another fundamental difference that we get to by the time we come here but we saw that God in his radical mercy last week showed patience to the murderer Cain and Sent him out into exile as a wanderer rather than just snuffing out his life right then and there.

So there was mercy and there was grace even for this murderer ultimately giving him time and I think there's probably some time for him to process some things and think things through and so in verses 17 through 24 we find a genealogy of Cain his line Goes on the exiled murderer has offspring and begins to populate the earth.

Cain married one of his sisters. I really can't get past that you know. Just straightforward people will ask on you know if you just do a do a Google search sometime for Cain's wife. And you'll just get you know you take you months to just read the different things that are stated about this.

Because all it says in verse 17. I mean look at it Cain knew his wife. I mean it doesn't talk about the marriage. It doesn't talk about how he met her anything like that. Anybody just get a little bit creeped out by that.

I mean just being honest like he married his sister. I mean There's no way there's no way around that and you can explain it really any way you want. Some have suggested that the genetic data. The the gene pool was more pure and therefore less prone to birth defects or whatever.

But no matter which way you slice the pie. I'm not enthusiastic about this necessity of early life on the earth. Anybody with me on that?

Okay.

Do I believe that Cain married a sister? Yes? Was God okay with it? Apparently is God later in Scripture going to forbid that. Yes, okay, and I Don't know I can't I can't stand up here and preach the ins and outs of that.

I just know that that's the way that it had to be on the early earth. I mean in one way, I think maybe God could have you know get on the hypotheticals. He could have created You know other other women or something whatever.

That's not the way that work, but Cain moving forward. Cain and mrs. Cain we don't even get her name. They have a baby and they name him Enoch which means Interestingly by the way, we're gonna see some similar names in two different Genealogies two different branches of the family they're gonna share the same nine line.

So we're gonna see Enoch in one in both. We're gonna see the names Lamech in both. So there's two different Enoch's. There's two different Lamech's. This is the first son of Cain and mrs. Cain. Enoch means dedicated.

Now in one sense I can understand from the line of Seth that we're gonna see I can understand that Enoch being named Dedicated but this one's a little bit curious to me. It's interesting because it makes me wonder if Cain didn't want better for his son than what he had experienced himself.

Have any of you experienced that where you want something different for your children than your own? Experiences and so you kind of kind of move them on in a different direction. Again I got to be careful preaching because sometimes you you've got to understand that I'm doing a little bit of guesswork as I go.

And I'm not preaching this as firm or rock-solid, but I'm curious. He names his son Dedicated. Did he dedicate his son to the God that he himself had distrusted? It's hard to tell but he wouldn't be the first parent who despised God.

But wanted religion for their son. Do you agree with me on that? How many people when they find when they come to that stage in life where they begin to have children kind of come back to a Religious well I or or maybe it's not at the time that the child is born.

But as the child begins to rebel or starts to go through moral decision-making all of a sudden. It's like whoa. How am I gonna train this child to make some good decisions? I better get them some religion.

You see that in our culture and in our day and age. I think that a lot of that happens here as well. I wonder if Cain didn't have a little bit of that. But the wanderer Cain was exiled to wander and to move from place to place and so he builds a city.

Okay, and names it after his son Enoch now an ancient city is a permanent establishment. With defined protection, so this is not don't picture in your mind a tent city like like no man. No mads live in or something, but but also it's not Chicago, right?

I mean, this is a maybe maybe even smaller than downtown, Matawan with just a a Rough brick or even wood wall around it of protection, but it's a permanent establishment. So what we see here is from the line of Cain we find the very first city and it's named after Enoch his son.

Throughout these genealogies we are gonna find some honorable mentions as we kind of just move through the text. I say honorable mentions because we just really don't know that much about him. There's not much I can say Erad, Mahujael, Methushael.

They move the history along reminding us that time is passing and what we're seeing here is the firstborn sons that are mentioned. But we don't know anything about Erad. We don't know anything about Methushael.

They serve as placeholders as far as our knowledge of who they are or what they did. But they're demonstrating to us that time is flowing time is moving. And I think it's reasonable for us to assume as we don't see dates or times or ages.

Did you notice that's absent from Cain's account? But when we get to Seth we're gonna see these these ages given. I think it's fair for us to assume that Cain's line is living extended periods of time along the same lines as.

Seth's.

But now we come to verse 19 and we encounter now. We're the seventh generation down from Adam and we've moved pretty quickly. But we've moved over some of those because again, they're like placeholders and we meet a dude named Lamech.

This dude was a piece of work. Okay, he was just a crazy guy arrogant full of himself and there's some reasons I say that and in the text I think bears this out. This guy was too much man for one wife.

Okay, you get the kind of guy I'm talking about. He's just too much man for one woman. So he takes what's the text tell us? He takes two. Okay, as we're gonna see from this point on taking multiple wives is not explicitly condemned in Scripture.

Have you have any of you studied Scripture enough to come to that conclusion in the Old Testament? There's no condemnation on.

Polygamy.

Have you noticed that? But I want to point this out if you want to go there and you want to ask those kinds of questions like is that Appropriate is not appropriate. Does God permit it. Does not God not permit it.

Go back and do this study for me. Go back and look at how those families where is explicitly detailed that they had more than one wife. How did it work out? How well did that go. Go go study Scripture from that perspective and then let me know whether that's a good idea or not.

Okay, do you get what I'm saying? I mean in one sense you kind of look at it and you say it's not condemned. But boy, it doesn't work out real. Well, it does not go well for anyone in Scripture. That having more than one wife is it is a good thing.

It is never glorified in Scripture as a matter of fact. I think it's pretty abundantly clear from what we've encountered in Genesis chapter 2 that God intended for one man and one woman. And I think it's significant that this dude Lamech is the first one who ever has two wives.

Is this. I mean we're gonna talk about him here in a second. But is this the guy you want to pattern your life after. Is this the guy you. Oh, he did it. So it's good enough for me. I don't think so. Unfortunately, the results of the fall are seen in the simple fact that the first two women mentioned by name since Eve.

Okay, so we've only had one woman named on the face of the planet so far. Eve now. We know mrs. Kane was there. We didn't even get her name. So the first two women that we actually encounter their names in Scripture are mentioned in the context of polygamy.

You're getting what I'm saying there the healthy relationship between man and woman that was created in the garden. Was broken at that curse and now we have Lamech kind of just taking a couple of those for himself.

You see the possessiveness in that. I'll just take two. Ada gives birth to Jabil who's the father of nomadic herdsmen? The word for livestock is expanded beyond that. What that which Abel did. So you might kind of go.

Well, wait a minute. I thought Abel was a shepherd and how can we now have the father of those who keep livestock and travel around in tents and stuff? What is what is that all about. Well the word for that's used for livestock in the text is.

For larger animals as a matter of fact sheep and goats wouldn't even fit into this word. This is like cattle camels donkeys. Maybe even horses some have assumed so he domesticates larger animals and has some kind of a trade going on with Cattle and camels and that kind of stuff probably even to the point of putting packs on them and things like that.

It's nice you get some nice funny naming in the Old Testament. Have you ever noticed that. So you got Jabil Jubal tubal. Okay, you know just kind of get those things rhyming or working together so Jabil's brother Jubal was the father of musical instruments.

He developed strings and woodwinds if you will the lyre which was a handheld harp. He developed and pipes and so those were the first two instruments and archaeology. Supports those as being two of the most ancient Instruments.

Uncovered the pipes usually being made out of bone early on now I talked to somebody this week, and they kind of struggled with this they were like well. What is they brought up something about the way that archaeology and the way that a secular humanist?

Perspective would be on the origins of music or something like that and I was kind of curious because I didn't know anything about it and As I as I got listening to the person talk I was kind of like well.

What would be your perspective on the way that music started then and it all boiled down to a guy somebody I said didn't somebody have? To start it wasn't there somebody who finally realized that like if you pluck a different length string you get a different sound and so.

Okay, I mean somewhere in history regardless and scripture is just telling us how that's how that happened. There was a guy who was like hey if I blow on a pipe. And it and it makes a certain sound and if it's a longer pipe it makes it a different Sound and he put those together and does that kind of make sense to you guys.

I mean that somebody started it right scriptures is telling us who this was the first guy who got musical instruments together. Zilla gives birth to a guy named tubal cane. Who was the first to forge?

Implements the text tells us instruments so in context we've just got that talking about music music. And then now it says he forged instruments, so we're not talking about forming an orchestra here. It's not like you got the brass section together.

Instruments being implements or tools out of bronze and iron this guy. I'm really tubal cane is like the the name Smith. Okay, this is the first time we encounter the name Smith if you will a forger like a blacksmith type of person.

The metals here that that are that are mentioned in the text are not set in stone in the translation some read copper and bronze. Instead of iron. I don't think that that's necessarily super relevant.

I mean, we're not trying to talk about bronze age or iron age or anything like that. Regardless of what the actual metals were. Humanity did not exist for long after creation without some form of metal working.

I think that's interesting to contemplate that there weren't like huge spans of time before we figured out how to work metal and fashion it and. And really if tubal cane could just work well with Jubal if the two of them got along.

Maybe they could have a full orchestra because he could get the brass section going right. But I find it interesting that this guy think about this from this perspective, what's his name? What's this guy's name who forges metal tubal?

Cane.

Okay, have we ever met a cane before? His name bears with honor the ancestor who rejected God and killed his own brother. You see you seeing something about this line something about this lineage. Tubal canes father Lamech.

Respected Cain enough to use his name in naming his own son. You see something kind of a little bit strange about that. The one who rejected God the one who caused exile the one who pushed us out from the presence of God.

I think I'll name my son after him. I Think we see something about Lamech's character even in that and the three boys have a sister named Nema which means pleasant. Which is good to know. I mean, it's there in the text I think at least something pleasant came from the line of Cain and we see that in this young lady.

But here we arrive five generations removed from Cain and Lamech still reflects the same sin-filled Faithless and sin-cursed heart that Cain showed in the murder of his brother Abel. Lamech calls a conference with his wives in order to boast about his violence.

Do you see that there in verse 23? He calls together said to his two wives Ada and Zilla hear my voice you wise of Lamech. Listen to what I have to say. Listen up and hear my voice. Do you hear him saying that what kind of tone do you think he's got going into this and.

Then he refers to himself in the third person which lets you know that he is already a piece of work. Anybody who refers to themselves in the third person while they're talking Don's gonna get something to eat, you know.

Don killed a man. You know, do you see what I'm saying? You know what? I'm talking about when you refer to yourself in the third person use your own personal name in a sentence. There's already something going on there.

He boasts that he's killed a man for merely wounding him a young man for punching him striking him. So he got punched by a young man. Now. This is not two murders. He's accounting for there's Hebrew parallelism.

We're seeing in essence. The dude was a poet. Okay, and and he's giving some Hebrew poetry and he's like, yeah I killed a man, you know for wounding me a young man. So he's kind of defining who that is.

So a young man got angry at him punched him and he slaughtered him killed him and He is now boasting about it. Lamech was not afraid of murdering a young man and bragging it up. But verse 24 shows that Lamech considers himself stronger than even his hero Cain.

Because Cain received the protection of God remember that God had placed a curse of sevenfold retribution on anyone who would kill Cain. But here Lamech takes his own protection into his own hands saying in essence.

I don't need God to protect me. Cain was weak. He needed God to give this sevenfold protection. But I tell you what, all I need is myself and I pledge 77 fold retribution on anybody who would injure me or harm me.

What he says is you step on my toe. I kill you. You poke me in the eye. I kill you. You steal my blankie. I kill you. You get the point. Lamech is brash. His evil faithless heart is so distant from God that he doesn't need God's hand of protection.

I don't need you. I got myself. How far has this line of Cain gone? They are wicked to the extent of boasting about their evil deeds. But I want to point out that some good has come out of this line. They still reflect the image of God.

They still reflect the mandate of God to subdue the earth and they have that image in them. They are developing culture. Musical instruments domesticating animals forging metals has good come out of the line of Cain.

Building cities.

Yes.

But I want to point this out some people have misunderstood this to the degree that they've actually decried and pushed away technology because of this this passage saying and if you think about it this way.

Then you're gonna get it wrong that there's this evil and wicked line of Cain and this righteous and good line of Seth. You see how that's wrong. Because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

And so what I think we see here is God's grace extending even to the line of Cain. Providing for the the furtherance of technology and things like that. Some have gone so far as to say well cities are evil because they came from the line of Cain.

Musical instruments are evil because they come from the line of Cain. There are churches out there who will not have musical instruments for this reason. They will have only acapella singing because they believe that musical instruments have come from the evil side of Cain.

You see how that's a little bit. I Think that anything that humans have done since Adam and Eve has come from an evil line. Are we in agreement on that? So I think we're in how many of you know that in all honesty technology can be used for good or for evil.

Television can be people people have come to faith in Christ by watching their television set. Did you know that I? Mean really they've actually heard the gospel on TV and gone. I believe this. This is good.

Is that a good use of technology? That's kind of cool right now has a lot of corruption come because of the television set. Yeah, and we know that it probably ends up leaning more that way now than the other way but I Just I think that it's very important for us to understand that God uses the line of Cain.

And even as deep as evil goes the purposes and grace of God can still be seen in this line. The genealogy of Cain only goes seven generations and then we flash back to Adam and Eve. They lost two sons.

Remember that Adam and Eve lost two sons that day. They lost Cain to exile and they lost Abel to death and murder. But God appoints for Eve another offspring instead of Abel appoints the word appoints being a translation of the word Seth.

So Seth means appointed now people don't get appointed to being your child right. Is that I mean that doesn't really happen. I mean an adoption but I mean if you give birth to a child you say that they're appointed to the office of your child.

People are appointed to an office right and I think that there's a significance in that word that there is a sense in which Abel was a child of faith and I think that what we're seeing is Seth filled that role nicely.

That Seth ends up being that that that son of faith who actually exhibits in his life faith. And I'm going to point out some reasons here in just a second why I see Seth as a child of faith. But he's appointed to that position.

Is that making sense? There a difference between just saying he was up. I got a child that replaced the one that was lost. No, he's appointed. This is the first mention by the way that we see of Adam and Eve in the context of their sons Cain and Abel and it Is a sad context.

That Seth replaces Abel and that Eve uses the term Offspring shows a renewed hope in the promise of God to provide a faithful line that will ultimately Ultimately produce the male offspring that will defeat the evil one.

She still has hope and she uses that word offspring where she could use other words for it. But she uses that word intentionally saying God has given as appointed for me an offspring. Although Seth can never truly replace Abel.

You really can't replace a child that's lost, right? I mean, it's not like okay. Well, this one's gone. So I mean I've often thought that in the story in the case of Job right Job loses all of his family and then he gets It all back at the end.

No, he doesn't he gets a different family back, but he never can replace those kids that are lost. It's apparent that Seth possesses a trust that he passes along to his first son Enos because at this point in history a religious devotion to God begins when when Seth gives birth to his son.

To call upon the name of the Lord implies trust in God. But in a more formal way, so were they trusting God along the way there were some who were constantly trusting in God. But as I mentioned last week I leaned towards the idea and the notion that God was still coming down in the garden walking out the East Gate and coming to visit with them from time to time and I think in the days of Enos people began to pray to God even in his absence.

I think that's what we see here. God's not coming down. He's not coming down and meeting with them and he's not there present and they're still talking to him and we see the Basically the origin of prayer and the first time that people have a are beginning to have a devotional life calling upon God for deliverance calling upon God for protection calling upon his name giving thanks and praise to him all of these things.

The Line of Seth and the Beginning of Prayer

So Cain gives his first son think about this contrast.

Cain.

Gives birth to a firstborn son. Builds a city and names it after him. Gives this son a name and then names a city after.

Him.

But Seth gives his first son a name to call upon and It is the name Yahweh the name of the Lord. And I want to ask you a question what is it those of you who are parents here, what is it that you're giving to your children and an education a name for themselves.

Athletic prowess money toys just I've given my kids opportunities to succeed in life. Are you giving them a name to call upon? What is it that we're doing for our kids? What is it that we're doing for the kids in this church?

And those of you who are here that don't have kids that have an opportunity to still interact with children here in this body. We are a family together. You have an opportunity to interact with my kids as well.

And and I look at that and I say what is it that we're leaving for them? Because what is the American dream that our kids rise up to success and they're really good at Athletics and they're really good at education and they get in an Ivy League school and they're so up here, right?

Are we leaving them a name to call upon? Because their life is going to go through hard times and I tell you no amount of athletic prowess no amount of education. No GPA is gonna pull them through those dark times like a name to call on.