The Here I Stand Theology Podcast Interview with the guys from Faith Unaltered

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and I'm playing the promo All right, so welcome to the hero stand theology podcast we have a great episode lined up for you all we've got the guys

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From faith unaltered with us tonight. He's not we'll be right back.

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Yes the moment Not what

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I always been I ain't breaking on my past But buddy, I was trapped in sin no power in myself to overcome my flesh

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I bought clothes to get undressed but God revealed my nakedness a hostile enemy

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Speech was all venomy Jesus was a nice guy, but wasn't no friend to me

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My lips said I loved him my actions despised his reign. I had my own agenda

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I was my own king then he came I would change my grace through faith every dollar that I owed it was pay pay pay pay

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Bill was something I couldn't pick up Hey again, welcome to the hero

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Podcast where we are a podcast devoted to a pointed and spirited debate biblical doctrine

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We as well are a podcast that is accountable to the local church the local church specifically a

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Reformata Baptist Church of which we are pastor in an elder there We are accountable for the things that we do and the things that we say here on the podcast

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We are pumped about our guests and not without any further delay.

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Let's go ahead and bring these guys in Let's bring in Tyler and David In the audience,

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I think we're good. I mean, yeah, I think I was Oprah Winfrey right there in front and center, too

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We we seem to have quite the audience Here we are you all are live via the interwebs

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We are in the heart of Ramsey Manor in the studio here to talk to y 'all tonight and find out about What you are up to so for those who may not be aware of who you all are you are

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To my right maybe to your left. I'm not really sure about the TV world How do you go out?

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Do you go opposite the guy with the guy with the glasses is Tyler? I'm Claude I'm the happy Calvinist so glad to be with y 'all tonight guys

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Seriously appreciate y 'all taking time out of your schedules to be here. I know y 'all I've had a lot on your plates

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You've got a lot going on with the with your new podcast I by the way,

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I do not own the rights to the song that played during that intro That was Andy Mineo formerly known

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I thought how fitting because sin, this complete sinner's God and Porah puree now

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What are y 'all called faith unaltered? Unaltered so guys tell us tell us a little bit about yourselves here to start us off David let's start with you

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Well, I have you know, I'm an old man. I just turned 40. So Yeah Yeah, I work at the

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FDIC I'm an armed security guard, but in the meantime, you know in my personal time.

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I linked up with this guy named Tyler He's kind of a weird guy, but we got along really great and everything just like clicked and next show together

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But yeah, that's just a little bit about me I'm a father of four and I live in Virginia Awesome.

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How about you Tyler? Yeah, I'm Tyler Fowler. And like David said we linked up like attracts like there

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He's got his own weirdness. I got mine and collabing them things like we were doing our own thing You know with the complete sinners guide

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David was doing his own thing with Porah and I reached out to David I said man, we got a collab, you know, we've got to merge these two podcasts together instead of competing against each other

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Let's work to the same goal. And so that's what I've been doing man. That's what uh, you know, David's been doing

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I'm a dad and a husband and I've been married. Let's see. We're going on four years.

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We're celebrating our four -year anniversary on July 14th my daughter just turned two and Yeah, that's what's going on with me, brother.

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That's awesome. That's awesome guys So there is a question that we start with I don't know if y 'all are familiar with this

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But anytime we have guests on there's a question that we're about to ask you all It's really gonna set the tone for the entire podcast.

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Okay So so this is serious business. Are you ready for it? so If David and Tyler had to arm -wrestle

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We're actually gonna so we're planning on linking up so we will do that We'll get a tick -tock clip for you

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Claude whenever whenever I meet up with David and we'll see who wins that That sounds awesome.

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That sounds awesome I've been I've been trying to get a I tried to get Doug Wilson the other day to Get a picture of him and James Watt before their debate arm -wrestling.

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I don't think he's gonna go for it We'll get it for you We've been sending a video of me and Tyler going at it with it, that's it.

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That'll be good I need a picture for the for the page of manliness There you go, so so it personally personally so Star Wars or Star Trek work

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Oh, yeah, that's good. That's good. Yeah, David David was

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Letting me peruse his his paraphernalia there in his studio there and that and I told him that was gonna be one of the questions

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That I had planned to ask you all do was one of the fun things. So why Star Trek David?

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Well, you know, I grew up on it My dad was a huge fan the for one of the earliest memories

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I have as a real little guy was actually meeting to Kai and Nimoy and stuff at a

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Star Trek convention that my dad had taken us to and it's just it's you know I had picture of it.

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I don't know where that picture is now. I wish I still had it. But uh, yeah James Dohan was there and you know, it's just a you know, it was pretty cool

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But afterwards, you know going down to see my dad every year in Georgia I would be inundated with Star Trek and I just fell in love with it.

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You know the the whole idea of discovery and exploration and running into Stuff that you know

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Conundrums like philosophical conundrums, you know It's it just really set with me and the starships the starships were the best thing because you know the idea of a capital ship like that just Exploring space and the unknown was just it's just awesome

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How about you Tyler? Wars you may be like, I don't know if your listeners will believe me or not, but I've never seen

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Star Trek So I'm biased in that sense I never watched Star Trek only seen Star Wars and so I've got a

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I got to go with Star Wars on that one But whenever I meet up with David, maybe we can have you know, Star Trek night binge binge some

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Star Trek episodes It'd be fun the original movies I'm gonna say for Purposes of entertainment

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Star Wars has to be better. It just really That's where you're wrong

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It's not even realistic is any of it Rasslin They have a you know,

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Star Wars the only, you know drawback you got these guys running around with these light swords, right? You never tell you how it doesn't continue to shoot after you turn it on It just continues to go because it is a laser, right?

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On top of that you have these guys running around not only with these lightsabers, which are cool and all

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I love swords, man I have my I have fully functional swords here at the house We're hanging on the wall.

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I do man and I have a I have a you know, a high carbon steel katana spring steel rapier and another high carbon broadsword, you know, but He's obviously

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The thing is these guys have magic powers too, you know, so it's kind of like come on man, you know

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The force and it's just nonsense is the philosophies even bad on it I'll be honest with you the deal with lightsabers literally about 20 minutes before we came on together

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I was trying to get my lightsaber to mute so it didn't have that humming sound

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And I was I my wife was in the kitchen. I said April I said there is no way anybody could really handle one of these things.

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They would kill themselves I'm just learning how to use it For me

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Trek, I mean it really It kind of like shows you what the future of humanity would be like instead of being in a galaxy far far away

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And it's more fantasy This is kind of like okay. This could be our future and if you notice now from like the 1950s all and you know

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Even Motorola has their their symbols are to Star Trek stars together Space Force, you know is it is a calm badge

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It looks like a calm badge, you know Star tech mobile phones they had we're all sliding glass doors

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Slightly remember these things. Yeah, I mean you could thank Star Trek for all the real stuff we have today, too

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So let's move into asking talking about y 'all Personally so if y 'all don't mind, we'll start with Tyler Tyler Would you would you start by sharing with us your testimony?

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And then David when he's done you kind of share your story there too is well, please Yeah, absolutely for so for those who don't know me.

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I Grew up in the church. My mom took me to a little independent fundamentalist

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Baptist Church I call it Gospel Center and But I never was Saved and I I was not born again and I had

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Cute but Whenever I was 18, I went to our mood to Florida and that's whenever I really let loose

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So to say I really started getting into things that I shouldn't have I became a drug addict Fairly quick did the rock and roll band try to get as many girls as possible.

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You know, that was my story that's what I was living for and It's crazy how it all worked out because my dad

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Went started going to this seniors Center to play pool every Monday and Wednesday and he ended up running into this guy named alpha alpha is the guy who led me to the

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Lord and so they linked up and the worst of my worst I ended up in the hospital due to I was a pill addict and I ended up in the hospital due to taken 24 25 lower tabs in one day and long story short that day who met me in the hospital hoots his nickname and He told me the gospel for the first time and after that I was really thinking about Jesus I was you know,

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I started looking for evidence, you know the resurrection things like that and you know Did even

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Jesus really exist and hooten? I just kept talking and I'll never forget it one night

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We was setting and he took a piece of paper and he literally drew the gospel out

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I've got actually a video of me doing that on the complete sinners guide YouTube pages our very first video and it's called the 14 -minute gospel

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And so I take the time to draw out the gospel on a piece of paper and I never I've never seen that before you know it it really opened the gospel up in a way that I could understand it and Whenever that happened,

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I mean I was thinking about it. I was thinking about it and I really got interested in Christianity I wanted to know all I could about it.

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And so I started getting who gave me What was it like 30 some odd CDs man?

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I mean this dude is old -school, right? So he's got all s Lewis Johnson sermons on like 30

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CDs and I started listening those CDs I burned them on my computer and I downloaded my mp3 player and I was listening those sermons

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I remember like as yesterday one day at work I was listening to an s Lewis Johnson sermon and I ran to the bathroom like the

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Holy Spirit fell on me, bro And I ran to the bathroom and I said I look you know

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If Jesus existed Christianity is real and I just I bowed my head man, and I prayed for real for the first time

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You know what? I mean? Like God, I know I'm a sinner, you know, I know I need you and that day man

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I was born again. I really believe I was I thought when he was when he was running to the bathroom being led by the

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Holy Spirit. I thought that was Taco Bell Thank the

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Lord, how about you David? Well, you know my story's a little bit a little bit more ancient because I'm a lot older than Tyler, but Hey, look,

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I'm not afraid to put myself down here if I'm gonna interrupt you in your testimony But uh

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Seriously, I you know, I was 18. Uh, it was I was it was right before 18 actually when when

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I started noticing This this softening in my heart and this idea that I you know

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That God was real. My great -grandmother was going through a very bad bout with cancer And the whole family was being affected by it

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And I remember listening to creed, uh higher from creed and I was just like God if you really want me send me two angels to Um, and you know, it's so funny because I had you know,

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I have this idea I grew up around my grandmother who was the matron of our family and Who put you know showed us a lot of these bible movies and watch touch by an angel

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But weekly and highway to heaven and stuff like that. So that's what I was thinking about I was like, man, it's gonna be a

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Michael Landon or something, you know You know when you're ready to to have me then just send them to me have them convince me and this and that well

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Fast forward to probably okay. I just turned 18. It was probably early, uh or late january, uh 2000 and My friend was like, hey, why don't you come with me to these, you know, my friend's house and we'll you know

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We'll sit down and and talk about the bible. I was like, okay, man, that's cool, man He's been pushing me for a while ago, you know, and at the time

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I lived for myself, you know I was my own god, you know, I had my own form of and ideas of you know,

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I believed yeah Jesus is god, you know, but you know, he gives me this life to kind of rule myself, you know

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And I was into stuff that I shouldn't have been in just kind of like tyler but not as deep. I don't think uh, but I decided to go with him and it was my senior year.

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So I was doing stuff at a young age uh um, and I was failing my senior year and he took me over to this house and There were uh two guys there two angels two messengers of god and they convinced me and I gave

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My life to the lord that night. However the church that I went to was a uh, uh

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Very pentecostal church that's hence the joke. I gave you earlier. Uh, and They taught me about what it means to have a relationship with god

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But they didn't they didn't teach good and it turned into a word word of faith movement You know and it slowly went from pentecostalism to that word of faith movement to where you know, the guys are yelling

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You know show me the money now type thing and in the middle of the service, you know Wow, and the pulpit wasn't protected and my walk was like a roller coaster up and down and up and down I ended up having a child out of wedlock

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Which even set, you know ended my college days for a while and uh

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I I just started going down a deep hill until about 2007 my father passed away

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And I had a friend that had introduced me to c .s lewis for the first time And I was like man, there's this this other side of christianity

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That I I don't even understand and then I had this conversation with my cousin at my father's wake and he's an atheist

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And he just looked at me. So why should I have faith? And throughout that that conversation

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I realized man. I don't know why I believe this. I don't I don't and I was like god

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I said, you know If if i'm going to give my whole life to you and my whole life to this and I don't even know why

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I believe it What in the world, you know, where is my faith and I started doubting everything but it was also god's stepping stone to launch me into apologetics into uh,

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Studying different faiths and understanding why I believe what I believe and from there Everything changed everything, you know, um

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I I was more you know, I was on solid ground so to speak instead of you know, enjoying the the sands of the beach and all that stuff and the and the slipperiness of it and yeah from there, you know god just Really gave me a heart to love him with not only my heart but my mind as well.

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Amen I appreciate what you said there the um the You talked about the importance of not only knowing what we believe but why we believe it and that is

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I think Really has been the trend with christianity For hundreds of years

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People are told blindly believe this blindly have faith but faith really is about being being blind or ignorant

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It's about being educated and educated according to the the word of god itself About yeah, you know what he expects.

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Yeah, you know claude It's something that I picked up as I was doing. This is that god made us to discover You know, he made humanity at their best when they're in Stages of discovery look at the space race and stuff like that.

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We're competing and and trying to discover Uh new things and and we build rockets and and you know

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We we advance in technology and the same with god god wants us. He's created us that way to discover him

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To discover more about him, you know and to so and there's only one way to subdue the world according to that original plan there and that is by discovery to discover new things and do new things and You know stuff like that.

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So Yeah, and it's actually ecclesiastes, uh, well, let me find that that passage but it basically in the book of ecclesiastes

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Uh solomon the preacher says that basically god has put eternity in the heart of man All right past finding out it's always going to be something that we're ever learning ever growing ever understanding more and more

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Right. I always always refer to ecclesiastes as the uh apologetics of the old testament. Yeah So spartan theology says hey, hey, what's up?

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Holler at your friends ethan tell them to jump on with us So, uh, so tyler, it's a question that was requested pre -interview

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Uh, the question is why is tyler a heretic? Well, you're gonna have to ask david that The reason tyler is still a heretic is david hasn't uh

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Emphasized his uh vocabulary. He hasn't expanded it in the last two years. So right

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That's why we're still a heretic. But david. Why am I heretic? Well tyler, it's because That the bible is the word of god.

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Oh, yeah, and you're constantly saying things against it And you know, I just I have to I have to call it.

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I have to call it out. You're definitely your calvinism Definitely, that's heretical in itself, you know, and your marcionism really gets to me too

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Marcy and the favorite the favorite heretic I can just see your listeners call like why you guys got this dude on This is good, this is organic we're organically moving to theology now don't forget guys here just shortly

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We're going to show y 'all's intro video Uh for your new podcast as well, but while we're we're we're rolling here.

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So we're just gonna we're just gonna roll with it. So theological Uh your theological footing your theological grounding your theological mooring tyler, let's start with you

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Calvinist or let's just let's not let's not uh, because so many people are afraid of that word

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Uh, let's let's use the word reformed or arminian Oh, I lean more reformed than anything david

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I am reformed arminian because Arminius was part of the reformation my friend

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So I think you would be more behooved to say calvinist versus arminianist. But yeah,

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I I lean more towards arminian I don't like labels I was mentored by calvinists as well um, and I've also been mentored by arminianists uh

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Molinists and you know And then provisionist right there, you know, uh, uh traditional baptists as well such as herschel hobbs and so forth

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You cut out you're muted. Nope Nope Well, we'll jump over we'll jump over to tyler while you're working on your mic

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Yeah, well david's figuring that out. I'm working on my side. We hear you hear me now. Yeah It sounded like you almost had a short bub, huh, you can hear me.

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Yeah. Yeah, you're good now Okay, I can't hear you guys. That's weird. You can't hear us Let me check

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So well, yeah, well while he's working on that tyler, let's go with you there. Yeah, so i'm actually like David in some senses.

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So whenever it comes to soteriology I lean more calvinistic, right? I'm definitely five points even though I am looking

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More so at limited atonement now more than I ever have right and so i'm currently under the position that Jesus in fact died for the entire world for every man

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But what does that mean? What does that look like practically did he? Bear everyone's sins on his body.

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Well, I believe if he had done that then everyone would be saved right? And so I believe it would be universalism Exactly, and so i'm definitely not a universalist

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But at the same time I believe that there's an aspect of jesus's death that affects the entire world every man

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I'm, just trying to figure out what that is So whenever it comes to that, uh, like I said soteriology

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I win calvinistic now Where calvin would say something, you know along the lines of infabaptism

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I'm, i'm a credo baptist so I can't say that i'm a calvinist on that, you know level So i'm really a mutt man whenever it comes to my theological beliefs.

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I can time all together relatively well, I think But I mean with calvinism you have

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It's so much more than the five points everything Intertwines together and with my new covenant theology stance, you know, i'm not.

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Um Oh wow, it Gone, um covenant theology. I'm not I don't hold the covenant theology.

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I hold to new covenant theology And so that kind of throws the wrench in the whole calvinism thing, but I agree with him whenever it comes to soteriology so Yeah, yeah what

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I was saying before is I you know I really don't I I don't like the labels because I don't think any one system

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Gets it totally right, right, right and I and in that way I think tyler said it really really good with being a mutt in a way is that there's a lot to it that um,

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That I don't think we can really touch because we're not omniscient. How can how can finite creatures understand?

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Omniscience fully we can there's just no way, you know and how you know Maybe there is a way that this predestination works with free will that we just haven't figured out yet And i'm fine with that.

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I'm not going to appeal to say it's mystery because the you know, it's not really mystery

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It's just god, you know, it's and whatever he does if he says that there's free will there's free Will if he says that there's predestination there's going to be predestination on some level.

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I lean more towards the arminian view uh and you know, so That's I I guess that's what you could label me so to speak as more of a classical arminian

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Um, or a provisionist mulanist. I don't know Yeah, whatever.

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I don't even know what to call it myself. But uh, yeah, that's that's kind of my leanings That's why I like the word mutt you get everything in there.

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Yeah but that's that's cool because uh, I guess aiming toward the purpose of your all's podcast

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Faith unaltered, right? It's about It's about platforming conversations between differing views

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Yes, and resolving as and and they're they're our primary issues Of course that we that we can't you know, we can't agree to disagree on absolutely

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The fundamentals of the faith, right? But there are all these secondary issues.

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We should be able to Debate discuss talk about these things and not necessarily

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Go away, uh despising one another right? We can absolutely we're still going to obviously think he's stupid

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You know, that's an that's an idiotic, you know, how can you not say this? We all have that, you know, just to be honest again.

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This is the here. I stand theology podcast here I stand we can say these things But we can still we can still

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Talk to one another and get through it at the end of the day So tell us how did faith unaltered coming about so complete sinner's guide porra p -r -a

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Uh, if if you would let's go start with david here and then we'll go to tyler tyler porra or p -r -a what does that represent because I never know how to say it or What it what?

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Porra it was uh, um a concept that my first co -host came up with He recruited me.

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He was a guy from charlotte that his name was titus. He's a Reformed I would say mennonite

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Uh that would uh, you know non -violence to the whole degree. Um, not really strict mennonite

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But uh, yes, that's why I say reform but he was like hey look I got myself into some trouble.

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I need some help Uh, I saw that, you know, you do an apologetics page in in virginia and i'm in charlotte.

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Can we meet up? So we met up and uh Uh, he got me to do this this broadcast with him and I was nervous

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I had never done something like that before and man It took me a good little while to get comfortable in the seat and stuff like that But we ended up starting it off and pras basically proselytize or apostatize, right?

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So do we proselytize the faith or do we apostatize it? Is it worth? Uh, one or the other because if it's true if christianity is true, we need to proselytize

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If it's false, we need to reject it completely, right? so and that was kind of like the the idea and We both me and him both were huge fans of justin briarley in in the uk and the unbelievable broadcast

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So we we fashioned our show after his for an american audience um, and I gotta say the journey was phenomenal

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I ended up talking with probably I want to say at least three of my heroes that i've probably learned the most from you know, um, and I was able to interview them and Actually partner with them in many ways.

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Uh, especially nice to believe Hugh ross is one of them. Gary habermas was another one that I got to interview.

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Uh, jay ward or wallace Who's just a great guy? Um, I love him to death

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He you know that man that man you give him one question and he will answer it and answer it

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In the most exciting way you can you can imagine I mean he just he will he knows he knows exactly

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What he believes why he believes it and he's able to express it in such a way. It's just gripping

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You know, I got to talk to fuzz rana. I love a lot of his work Uh, but yeah, that's what pra was we ended up getting the interviews

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We would put host debates between atheists because like you said, yes We want to facilitate conversations and we wanted to do that pra but we also wanted to engage the culture which is very important and we wouldn't hold back if people want to talk about politics that we we talk about politics and Over that time we were able to form a base

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Of people that were like family, you know, even our atheist brothers and sisters

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I you know not not as far as like christian but like our friends they became our family and they they loved the platform so much because of how we ran it and the kindness and the and the uh

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Respect that we show to one another they wanted to come back and and it Created a community of of people that would always come back and talk about different issues debate on different issues and we dive deep and then we would

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Network and and go to other shows and that's what I really wanted to do with tyler when we first met

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And we talked about it and he had the same exact idea to network to be to collaborate more and stuff like that and then like we were doing our own thing like he said and I was just like You know what?

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You know, it's a lot of hard work and if we want to if we want to grow this we're going to need to Have something kind of new and You know like a network of some sort have a team because it really takes a team to be truly successful in this field

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Right. So now With faith unaltered. I think that's what we can bring to people even more because not only do do we bring two sets of families together

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But we're also combining the type of content so we'll be able to explore theology and the culture plus Atheists and christians so Very nice.

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And how about the complete sinner's guide? The complete sinner's guide started off as a youtube channel.

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That's originally what I wanted to do I did not think about radio I did not think about podcasting and then

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I met noah Chalaya the guy that really got me started now his dad owns a radio station in north dakota and so the him and the table are the uh

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Yeah, the table I guess they run it. So it's him and I think three or four other Uh gentlemen now, here's the funny thing claude.

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I did not know Getting into the radio station that they were all seventh -day adventist every single one of them and they promoted seventh -day adventist content right only seventh -day venice only

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And the really here you come and here I come And so noah convinced me to you know do radio

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And I think a little part of that was because he had just gotten out of seventh -day adventicism

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Right. He understood the gospel and I think a little bit of that was him wanting me

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To just show up on the radio station and just talk the truth, right? He really loved that that I was seeking the truth like I was and so we started the complete sinner's guide started off that way

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And the original like how we came up with the name was the complete idiot's guide right to whatever think about it

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You know the complete idiot's guide to whatever And and it just kind of stuck and we're like, all right, let's make a christian show

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You know, we started off reformed theology. That was in my reform days. I was man. I had the sword

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I had the shield and I was ready to go to war brother. Like let's go arminian heretics I was

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I was very cage stage back then my brother But i've calmed down a lot now and so we originally started off with a theology, you know, theologically based and Here's the thing.

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I'm I feel now if I could do it over again I definitely would and here's why I say that I miss so much of the practicality of christianity, right right now

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We're actually continuing with complete sinner's guide and we're finishing up our 10 episode series on practical christianity

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I think we're on like episode 7 now And so we've got a couple more shows to do there We're going to close that series out and then david and I are going to you know, really jump on faith unaltered

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But I wanted to get practical for the first year of fate or for the first year of csg

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We taught nothing but theology. We brought people on to debate we Brought different people on to you know, discuss uh professors, you know different people like that and we

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We really focused on the theological side and then I recruited my co -host joshua davidson

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And whenever I recruited him, I had actually I had a co -host before that, uh, michael keaton and He was you know, he was having some family problems

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And so we we decided to you know kind of part ways and then I brought joshua davidson on board And whenever he came on he really opened up my eyes to the practical side of christianity

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And that's what we've been focusing on for the past year ending with this, you know 10 part episode

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So that's what csg has been going on. So I saw david, you know with porra and I actually reached out to david

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I said, bro What would you think about collabing these podcasts and david was all he wasn't about it whenever we first started

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But the more he thought about it the more I kind of kept I don't know david How long did it take you a couple months really to to climb on board with it?

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Well, you know when you first asked me to collab it was like within the first year we knew each other

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And it was like, okay, let's uh, let's collab. So I was like, okay, we could do a couple shows together

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Tyler had I guess this long -term goal. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm not talking about just a couple episodes

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It had to be probably now since we started talking more and getting closer

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That we just said, you know what we're both working so hard at this If we were to get together and do this together we would do a lot better and dude

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You know, it's so funny because the first time I came on his show I was like man i'm going on the radio, you know, this is going to be pretty cool, you know

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And then I hear tyler and I was like man. He's got such a good radio voice. I was like, dude What's what mic do you have?

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And he's like he's like, yeah, I got the roadcaster so I was like, yeah, let me go out get a better mic too and The thing was is like but you know the friendship that was just kind of like almost immediate, you know, we were laughing

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Just talking and joking and just related on a level that you know It's kind of hard to express because you know, you find certain friends in life

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And you know that you're just gonna be their friend forever, you know And That's what

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I felt with tyler as soon as and he has that same mindset He has the same mindset of like friendship and and you know, that's god -breathed, you know, that's right.

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That's a long term That's important. Yeah, and and that click and then we just then we decided we're gonna debate together

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We're gonna have a debate with some people that didn't think jesus was god and I was like tyler This is i'm burned out man.

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I was like i'm already i'm already, you know, i'm back in school i'm a master student at trinity and I was like You know, this is gonna if if we're gonna do this, bro

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If we're gonna do this because I had enticed tyler to get on tiktok I was like, hey, you should try tiktok out for csg and he's like, oh, okay and uh, oh

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Uh next thing, you know, he's on tiktok and we're i'm like, hey, man I really got a heart for these torah observers, you know

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And they're just we've got to be able to you know, bad philosophy's got to be addressed with good philosophy, you know

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And next thing, you know tyler's like hey, I got these guys we got to debate him and it happens to be alternate media

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And these guys are great. I love them to death. Uh Yeah, yeah, they're great guys We disagree passionately, but we're like, okay and I said to tyler i'm burned out a little bit

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There's a lot going on school and stuff, but i'm taking off school for till like february

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And because I was just burned out we had a lot of stuff going on My mom passed away and then our animals got a couple of our animals got sick and and so on and tyler was like Hey, well if you're taking time off for school, i'm gonna schedule this debate

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Okay, I said he's like hey, how about two weeks? I was like no tyler if i'm gonna do i'm gonna do what told me and i'm gonna take months to prepare and i'm glad we did because you know, uh

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Me and tyler both just collabing our notes and stuff like that And we got I got a binder full of what we've we've came come up with and all six pages.

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So yeah, we can our own book now, but like uh And that's and that's the point if you're gonna get into a discussion or debate and you want to represent christ the best

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Take your time, you know, you don't have to jump. You don't have to you don't have to jump for content's sake

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You know what? I mean? You know, you know, you don't have to you're not going out here doing this type of radio and this type of online discussions

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To make yourself look good. You're trying to make jesus famous. That's right, you know, and if you're going to represent him

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Represent him the best you can yeah and represent yourself as best you can because if you're making him look good you will end up looking, okay

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Just right and if not hallelujah is saying in front of the country here. Hallelujah. Anyhow, you know

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And you know what, you know, I tell people this too I said, you know Don't don't be afraid to debate people that have more credentials than you because if you do if you go if you win every debate

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There's something wrong. Yeah, yeah, you know, uh, you lose a little bit too because Need to learn

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Yeah, and really on the flip side of that too. If you're just looking to debate something's wrong there as well Don't be afraid to dialogue with people like have a conversation with somebody

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That's right. Yeah, the apostle paul. I mean act 17 To be quite honest just last, you know the easter sermon.

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That's what I preached from from act 17 Preached on the unknown god and that's that's one of the things that people uh, like you mentioned david

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People are intimidated because people know more than them, but they may know they may know more worldly But the goal is not to know more world worldly information than the world

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The goal is to know the god of the scriptures and to know the god of the bible And to accurately proclaim that to them whether they agree with it or not because that's the that's the christians

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I don't know if angle's the right word, you know folks will get all upset about me saying that but It's the truth.

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Our angle is jesus. There is no other angle that we have to give to people. Right? Absolutely, bud

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So this would be a good time. Would y 'all like to show your promo? Well, yeah, let's just interview the let's just let's just preface this.

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Let me just preface it Okay, so and you know tyler you can back me up here. Uh, the reason

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You know what we saw Uh as we started collabing more is a really big need a lot of people are walking away a lot of people

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Don't know why they believe what they believe but we have a crazy world out there, too And we decided hey, you know if we're gonna do this, let's do this

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Extravagantly, you know extravagantly, right? So we decided let's do a launch event right

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And let's bring it together and do an all -day thing so we can show people what we're about And Show what they can expect in the future and that's why

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Uh that will lead you into what is coming soon on may 13th and 14th

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So may 13th we'll be starting with a radio show and we will be actually interviewing the guests that are coming on Well as much as that we gave them the option to come on, uh, we got confirmation

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There's there are some that are coming on obviously, but we're basically going to be talking about that event And then we're going to do an after party

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For all you guys and you're more than welcome to come to claude Uh to jump on with us and we're just gonna have fun and talk about theology and be geeks for a little bit

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Maybe some more star trek and star wars if you want But open mic open mic, just come on.

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Let's have some fun. Let's talk more about the event that's coming up That's shaping up. Uh, I got my friend just finished his master's degree in canada.

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He'll be on uh talking about the evil god challenge Uh that we've got a professor, uh bill mounts who's gonna um,

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Our dr bill mounts who is going to tell us about the importance of the greek new testament, man, and we've got dr

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Uh paul anderson who we just uh had pre -recorded last night um

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And he's going to be talking to us about the gospel of john and why And there's something amazing there that i'll leave i'll just leave this hint

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That john is actually got more archaeological evidence than the synoptics

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Be pretty wildly impressed with uh What dr anderson has to say and then we're going to talk about the odyssey, you know the problem of evil

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We have uh, my old my former co -hosts, uh, they'll be coming on to do that who are part of our team Uh, we're also going to be talking about the narrative structure and we're going to end the night with this awesome debate

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With jonathan mclatchy who I followed since the unbelievable days, uh, great christian guy man and is is the uh,

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Is the founder of apologetics academy? uh and and works with that so, um we also have uh, michael granado who's also a uh phd candidate for Uh, he's a naturalist and he's a naturalistic philosopher.

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So it's going to be pretty cool to see those two, uh discuss Uh why christianity is true and that's going to be an interesting topic but for those out there

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We see a world in need and we want To help and we want to be able to do keep doing what we're doing what we're passionate about and minister to the masses so without without any further ado tyler you want to add anything before we

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We show them what we're about you killed it man Although the only thing the only other thing I can add is if you want to catch the radio episode on may 13th

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Go to k e q q radio .com. We'll be live streaming from there. You can hear everything

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Uh on there and then we'll have the uh on may 14th We'll have that hoed schedule that david just said on the faith unaltered youtube channel

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So if you want to check it out, there's the places to do it K e q q dot com and the faith unaltered youtube channel, by the way

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We'll say it one more time here in a minute too. But if you haven't gone over there go ahead right now No, no, no, don't sorry

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You're you're watching this right now But go over to faith unaltered subscribe, uh

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Ring the bell to be notified for new content because they are going to be blowing it out of the water

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That being said we'll watch the we'll watch the promo and boom

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There we are You all let me just say it y 'all are awesome

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All glory to god brother and Just make a just a little correction. It's k e q q radio dot com.

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Okay, so K e q q radio dot com. Yes, sir All right.

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So we have uh guys we have organically tackled basically everything I think that we set out to do here um last of all

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What are your all's obviously? Uh, and I want to uh, I want to say that not that it really means anything but I so appreciate the camaraderie that you all have in the the part of your testimony there just about you know, uh,

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David seems to be the standoff standoffish type, right? Hey, buddy. I don't want to be friends just yet, right?

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That's what I heard. I mean He likes to tease a little and then tyler's the guy that you know is looking for the looking for the commitment

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But the fellowship in the gospel is I think is really what brings you all together and yeah

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We'll hold you all together and I I so appreciate that. Yeah, my age has made me a little shrewd, you know

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David and I compliment each other very well. I love working with david ever since we did and I think really you know

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Our friendship really developed whenever we started prepping for the deity of christ debate That's whenever we really started figuring things out about each other, you know

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And and whenever we really clicked so i'm honored to have david as my partner in this Yeah, yeah me buddy.

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Well guys, thank the lord that you all were on here. Yeah We don't ever want to go an episode without sharing the gospel

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So tyler, would you mind? Closing us out by sharing the gospel with folks

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Absolutely after you're done sharing the gospel i'll play the outro but y 'all hang on don't click out yet after that.

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Go ahead Fair enough. And so like I was saying in my testimony To understand what gospel means gospel is the good news the good news that christ has come

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The good news that christ has died the good news that christ Has risen from the grave that he has ascended into heaven and he's coming back one of these days

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But to understand that you have to understand that there is bad news There is bad news and that is that as romans 3 23 says for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of god

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And until we grasp that until we come under That conviction that I do need a savior that I do

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Need christ that's whenever We can and we will be born again.

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That's what the gospel promises All throughout john all throughout the entire new testament and even old the old testament that pointed to christ

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To the new testament that reveals christ in his full Glory He came to save sinners

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He came with a promise if that promise is not true Then like then like everybody just said i'm going home fishing on sundays

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I'm, not going to church if this isn't true, but we know we know for a fact That christ rose out of that grave

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We know for a fact that he ascended into heaven and we know for a fact that he is coming back

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And so it's a promise Christ said if you trust me the most famous bible verse everybody knows it everyone.

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John 3 16 What does it say for god? So loved the world that he gave his only begotten son and everyone

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Everyone believing in him trusting him the greek word. There is pistou It means to trust to have faith and now there's a there's a one thing

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I want to say real quick claude that that people seem to get twisted whenever we say believe in jesus

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That doesn't mean to acknowledge his existence even the devil believes in jesus and that's right

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It does not mean to acknowledge jesus's existence. It means to trust him trust him

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In who he said he was the messiah god the son and trust that his work on that cross

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Was sufficient to save you that's what it is. That is what I mean that that is how we connect that is how we unite

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To christ through the holy spirit that he gives us. Jesus said to nicodemus. You must be born again to enter the kingdom of god and whenever we trust whenever we

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Believe that christ did those things for us. The father promises the holy spirit as the down payment of our salvation and and from that moment

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We continue to live a life that's pleasing to god. Do we do it perfectly? Absolutely not, but the holy spirit chastises us the holy spirit will guide us into all truth

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And so trust christ trust christ amen and amen

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All right guys I am since I sincerely want to tell y 'all thank you for taking the time to be on here with me

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This was a it was a privilege for me to get to actually, you know to not just listen to y 'all but to talk to y 'all and uh

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Hopefully, you know, we can stay in stay in touch stay in contact. Yes encourage one another in the faith

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And I mean this and you're still alive I am literally yes But um on a regular basis i'm praying for y 'all praying for your ministry praying for your growth and sanctification in the lord and Yeah, thanks man, uh in if you all ever just need need a shoulder to cry on somebody to talk to to vent

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I'm here literally. I'm gonna be here for y 'all. Thank you all for the work that you do There's everything

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I can do y 'all holler at me and sure will sure will Same and anytime you want to come on faith on altar, bro.

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We'd be more than absolutely Dude, i'm i'm out of my league with y 'all y 'all are uh, y 'all blow me away

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I'm serious guys, and i'm not i'm not playing. I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

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I'm just you're you're uh You're you're working words. Encourage me.

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Well, thank you, sir. We appreciate it. Absolutely All right, y 'all want to uh, we're I mean still recording but i'll edit all this out

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But anything else that y 'all want to talk about or say but do before you go? Other than thank you claude for having us on man again.

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Thanks bud. Yeah, we appreciate it Shoot me shoot me y 'all's addresses and uh, i'll try to get you all some t -shirts done this week

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Send out to you. All right, brother. You take care of yourself my friend you too. Talk to you later