July 12, 2017 Show with Marc Grimaldi on “Evil & Suffering in a Sovereign God’s World”

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This is Chris Arnsen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron, wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this 12th day of July 2017, and I am delighted to have today as my returning guest on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, a man who was, until just a few years ago, my pastor at Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island located in Merrick, New York, before I relocated here to Pennsylvania and became a member of Grace Baptist Church in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, much to the dismay of the leadership and congregation there.

But it is my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron, Pastor Mark J. Grimaldi.

Hey, thank you, Chris. Always a pleasure. Appreciate it.

And in studio with me is my co-host, the Reverend Buzz Taylor.

Hello again.

And if anybody would like to join us on the air with a question for Pastor Mark, our email address is ChrisArnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com, on one of the most highly debated and perplexing issues known to man, probably since the dawn of time.

It's the question of evil and suffering in a sovereign God's world. And please, if you write in a question, give us at least your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence, but you may remain anonymous if it makes you feel more comfortable if this question involves a personal and private matter.

And obviously, a subject like evil and suffering in a sovereign God's world automatically lends itself to the possibility of people having personal and private matters they want to ask about, but so we will grant your request if that is the reason that you are desiring to remain anonymous.

But if it's not a personal and private matter, please at least give us your first name, city and state, and country of residence. Well, it's been a while since we've had you on the program, Pastor Mark, and Iron Sherpa's Iron Radio has recently reached a point where every single day for the last several weeks we are getting contacted by new listeners that we've never heard from before.

So God is doing something. It seems like a dam has broken open and there is a flood of new listeners who are discovering and falling in love with this show, and I'm thanking God for this new development.

So therefore, a lot of these people will have no idea what Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island is, so why don't you let our listeners know about this congregation?

Sure, yeah, Grace Reformed Baptist Church. We are a local church in Merrick on Long Island, as you said, and we would hold to the five solas of the Reformation, the doctrines of grace as well, and our confession of faith is the London Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689.

And so we would hold dearly to the teachings that are really that are glued to the Reformation, and again, the sola is faith alone, Christ Reformed Baptist Church.

And I don't know if it was made official yet, but last we spoke I believe you were on the way to becoming a member church in the Reformed Baptist Network. Did that ever take place?

Yes, yes, we are a part of the Reformed Baptist Network. My co-pastor, Pastor Doug, went to the actual signing meeting, so we're a part of that wonderful network and certainly would recommend anybody looking into that.

It's really a blessed network of churches being able to support, pray for one another, encourage one another, especially in trying to encourage one.

Another with missions and evangelism and so on. Yeah, people might hear that name and automatically wrongly think you're talking about a radio or television network. That is not the.

Case. No, no, no, not at all. No, this is similar to an association idea, but a little less formal than an association, more geared to supporting one another with evangelism and missions and.

Just trying to spread the gospel together. And if anybody wants to find out more information about the Reformed Baptist Network, you can go to reformedbaptistnetwork .com. Reformedbaptistnetwork .com.

And of course, I'm planning on announcing this later as well, but for anybody interested in finding out more about Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick, New York, you can go to gracereformedbaptistchurch .com.

Gracereformedbaptistchurch .com. Well, there have been things, as you know, Pastor Mark, there have been books already written on the subject of evil and suffering in a sovereign God's world. There have been even books written by great men of faith from centuries past, like Puritans and others.

Why did you find a need to include a new book on this very.

Important subject? Well, I think I'm a little bit smarter than all those guys.

Now I know why you are. You are, Chris.

No, the reason why... Now we're going to have to have a show on the problem of lying in a.

Sovereign God's world. Humility and lying. No, I wanted to... Well, a couple of things that came to mind with putting together this book is one is I wanted it to be something that was quite short, almost like a handbook in a sense.

This book is only about 100-something pages, and it's a small frame, something that people can kind of dip into and read through the different points that I make and try to use it as just a helpful tool to people bring up questions or even their own concerns that they might have.

A lot of the other books that are out there certainly are just large volumes and would deal with some of the individual topics that I have in this book. A full volume could be easily committed to one chapter.

So I tried to kind of make something that would be something short, something somebody can sit down at a few readings and hopefully glean enough that can help them come to grips with some of these things and see the blessing even in understanding the reality of God's sovereignty and His not being the author of evil and so on and just making sense of that.

Yeah, and I want to urge the pastors and deacons listening or anybody else listening who is in a position of authority where you can order books in bulk for your church. This is one of those times where you'd want to order a case or more of evil and suffering in a sovereign God's world because it's small, it's very reasonably priced, especially when ordering multiple copies and the subject is one that I am sure that every Christian has not only thought about in their own minds but I'm sure every Christian at some point in their lives, if not many times, will have conversations with others either inside or outside the Christian faith where this question is the very first thing that comes up.

Why is there evil and suffering in sovereign God's world? Or people will just say, if they are a critic of Christianity, they'll say, if your God is so good, why is there evil and suffering in this world?

Sometimes they'll say that in a mocking fashion, but this is known as the theodicy, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, really important,.

Chris, and I can remember even myself before I was saved in my teenage years with my parents and some members of the church that they were part of, and I can remember just really debating with them and trying to show logically why God must be the author of evil, and just especially when you believe in the Reformed doctrines that we hold to about God being absolutely sovereign, you can see why that logic would seem to make sense.

But there are several things I think that, looking back now that I didn't consider and I came to understand more and more, is to see how God can both be both be the author of all things, both be completely all-sovereign over everything, and yet at the same time not be the one who is the author of evil.

And that's where I really wanted to get to get into. I get into a lot of side issues as well that tap into this, such as the accountability of man, you know, fatalism, what about the issue of why didn't God create Adam and Eve without the ability of sinning?

If he knew they were going to sin beforehand, you know, why did he go forward with it? You know, those kinds of things. I wrestle through a lot of that too in the book, all the way to even topic says, what do you do with the issue of a child who is a young girl who is raped repeatedly and, you know, kidnapped and put to death, and how does that happen on God's watch?

And especially a God who is all-sovereign, how do you account for that? So I kind of, you know, dabble into all those kinds of things as well in this book.

Well, you know, let's go through some of the words in the title of this book so we can have a definition for those of our listeners who may not be completely familiar with the terminology, or perhaps they're familiar with it but they have a false definition of it.

You have evil and suffering in a sovereign God's world. Now that word sovereign has been used even by those who disagree with us who are theologically reformed. They really don't consistently and logically use that term about God in its fullest sense, but we who are reformed take this definition of sovereign to its full measure when we are discussing a sovereign God.

If you could please explain what you mean by a sovereign God in the title of the book.

Yeah, in fact, in the first chapter I address the issue of God's sovereignty, and it's a short chapter because one of the things I do say in there is that there are a lot of just great materials written on the sovereignty of God.

You know, you have Lorraine Bettner and.

Arthur Pink, and we go off, you scroll this. Yes, Lorraine Bettner is always one of my favorite.

Female authors. Sorry, but I do get into there, and the way I would say it first is inside the book is God is all-sovereign, right, just in case people may mistake that. Okay, sovereignty, he's in control, but maybe he relinquished some of his sovereignty, you know, when one of the people, you build sovereignty in the way I understand it, the way I see the scripture, as God is the supreme ruler over all things, and as such, he works all things out in accordance with his own unchangeable divine will and for his glory.

Everything. He's completely exercised sovereignty over everything. He doesn't relinquish anything, and in fact, if he did relinquish anything, my argument in the book is that he would cease to be God, and it would be a real depressing reality if he did, because there would be a lot of purposelessness and things that would happen that are not, we have no, there's nothing in there, in our suffering, while God is kind of a loud man to kind of, you know, make those decisions, and it just happened to go that way, and so be it, flip the coin.

So I believe God is completely all-sovereign over all things, and that at the same time, again, as you work through the rest of the book, I get into how that jives with the idea of yet evil still being able to exist, and him not being the author of evil.

At the same time. Yeah, that's also a very controversial issue. In fact, those who are outside of Reformed theology will very frequently accuse those who are Calvinists or believers in sovereign grace that we are making the claim that God is the author of evil.

It seems that when it comes to the disagreement amongst Christians in regard to this very important and age-old topic, you have on the one hand those who are theologically Reformed who want to defend the biblical truth that God is all-sovereign, and those who are Arminian, or those outside of the Calvinistic faith, will make the claim that, or they will be in essence making an attempt to defend God's goodness and also man's responsibility.

And they will often say, yes, God is all good, and the reason why there is evil in the world is because God does not wish to create robots when he has created humankind, and therefore the one thing that is required of humans in order for them not to be automatons or robots is that they have free will, and therefore that is why we have evil in the world.

That is very often the explanation I have heard from non-Reformed Christians as to this problem that we have with defending an all-good God in a wicked, very seriously wicked and evil world. If you could just comment on that.

Yeah, yeah. In fact, the first two chapters of the book, and again, one of the things about going through the book that is helpful is that there is a necessary progression that takes place as you work through each chapter, so inevitably there are going to be questions that are going to come to mind, but I seek to address them all through going through the book, working through everything logically, and trying to explain things from a biblical standpoint.

But the first two chapters, the first one is God is all-sovereign, the second one is that God is good, and then the third chapter is evil exists. So generally what happens, as you said, is people think one of the other is the goodness of God or the sovereignty of God to try to account for the reality of evil.

So you'll have, as you said, some in the extreme, you know, in the Reformed faith, very extreme, would have no problem even saying that in some sense that God is connected to evil. You know, this is the author because that's the best thing for his glory, and on and so on.

And they would say things a little too far, and then others, as you said, in the Arminian faith would say no, because that means that God can't be good, and so he must have relinquished some of his sovereignty in some sense so that man could have, like you said, free will and that we were not just robots being controlled.

So I think it's important that we uphold both that God is very current over all things, and I have scriptures in there that do talk about that, and he's also, he cannot be anything but good in the fullest sense.

He is the very definition of goodness in its purest form. And yet at the same time, there is the existence of evil. So the question is how do you get from a God who is all sovereign, who is all good, and if we could use these words in some sanctified sense, is at some point in eternity past without any created thing, how does evil come out of that?

How does evil exist in that scenario without somehow associated to God being the author of that? And I think.

That's a big question, and I do deal with that in chapter three. Great, and the balanced, the biblically sound and historically accurate Calvinist or believer in the doctrines of sovereign grace or reformed theology, he will always seek to use all the biblical data, whether it involves the sovereignty of God and the goodness of God and the responsibility of man, but those of the extremes, as you mentioned, those who are either hyper-Calvinists or those who are Arminian, tend to exalt certain aspects or character traits of God, or even just biblical texts, at the expense of others, at the expense of truth.

They don't want to present the whole counsel of God because it somehow conflicts with their preconceived notions,.

Am I right? Yeah, yeah, the people don't like to live in a realm of tension, right, and the reality is when you're dealing with a God who is infinite, right, and we're not, we're finite, we're tiny, you know, when you look at the wisdom of God, even what we can see in a created world, which is not even, you know, God's wisdom is beyond that, it's beyond the heavens, his greatness is beyond the heavens, and we try to logicize everything, and we want to alleviate all the tensions, and so something of God's character under the bus, something of his essence has been faithful to what, and we need to reason within those scriptures, we don't want to throw out logic, logic is important, but we want to make sure that we have a sanctified, right, sense about us, and a humble sense about us as we process these things, and be able to say what's true, allow for the tension to exist, and reason through that, and I think, like I said, when I reason, when I go through the book, I think if people read through it, I think they'll see some things from a scriptural standpoint that will help alleviate that tension to an extent.

Is it ever going to be fully God on this side of heaven? Well, none of us are going to be fully God on this side or on the other side of heaven, so it is, in that sense, we're not going to fully be able to understand everything anyway, but I do think there's a way, there are certain things that can give us a sense of peace in understanding, you know, who God is and the reality of his goodness and so on, and how these things congive.

There is a way of reconciling these things biblically enough to give us a sense of peace and yet humility in recognizing how great.

Our God is. All right, I want to steal the thunder of some of our listeners who are writing in, so I will begin to go to some of our listener questions. Let's see here, we have Jenny from Ben Salem, Pennsylvania, who has two questions.

Briefly explain to our listeners what is entailed in God's sovereignty over his creation. You really dealt with that already. If you want to add to that, you can. Her second question is, often God is accused of causing evil since he is the creator.

Can you explain what is the Reformed position on evil in relationship to God? Yeah, what I would.

Say is this, and again, this is beginning of who God is. I think part of the problem, Chris, is that when we think about evil, I think we don't actually stop and think, well, what is evil? And when you look at scripture, and again, I get into this, especially going back to the beginning and when Adam and Eve were in the garden and the tree was there and God gave the command, we have to begin by saying this, that obviously, and again, I'm using terms, knowing that God is outside of time, there was absolutely no evil and no possibility of evil, and that when God was completely alone, right, no angelic beings, no people created in his image, nothing there, just God, let's say.

And again, the only way I can understand it is to use temple terms. And then at some point, evil exists. So the question is, well, what is evil and how does it come to exist? And I believe that when you look at scripture, at least from the standpoint of the creation, right, because you have the angels when they fell as well, and there's debate about that, and I get into that too, but look at it from the standpoint of the creation, how evil entered this world.

One thing you'll notice is that it's the moment that God gives Adam, right, Adam the command to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and when he says that if you do that, you will surely die, the moment God does that, something important, very important happens, the potential for evil exists at that moment, the potential, not evil, but the potential for it.

And the reason why it's the potential for evil to exist is because the moment God decides, or when God creates any being that is less than God, right, God doesn't create anything, first of all, God doesn't create anything that's equal to him, he can't do that, he wouldn't do that, right, that would be idolatry, but the moment God creates a reasonable creature who in some way is accountable to him, and from a moral standpoint, and he has expectations of that creature, the moment that he does that and gives that creature a command, the potential for evil exists at that moment.

So we can say God offers the potential for evil, but the evil itself doesn't exist until that creature disobeys God, right, and once that creature takes of the tree, or once Satan does what he does and is rebelling, evil exists.

The reason why that's important is because God himself cannot be evil, he cannot offer evil, because evil itself, what is evil? Evil is the very opposite of what God is, it's ungodliness. Evil is defined by its very nature as being ungodliness, as being contrary to God.

And so you can't have anything contrary to God or opposing to God when it's just God. There has to be some ability in whatever God creates, in a lesser being that's responsible to God, there has to be some ability in that creature to be able to be responsible to God and to make a moral decision, and if they don't, if they go in the wrong direction, then evil suddenly exists, and that's what happened with Satan, and that's what happened with man.

And so God doesn't create evil, he creates a situation and he creates beings where the potential for evil can exist, right, can exist. Now this does bring up more questions, I realize that, and I get to them later on in the book too, why didn't God not create that potential, people with the potential to be able to be evil and so on, we can get into that later, but for the moment I just want to say that as far as the actual existence of evil, it only exists when you have a lesser being responsible to a higher being, and when you contradict that higher being in any sense, when you violate his commands, his law, when you counter that being, that is when the existence of evil exists.

And so evil by its very nature is the opposite, it is contra God, and he cannot be the author of that which contradicts him.

You know what I'm saying with that? Yes, I do. And in fact, some of the confusion that exists amongst Calvinists and Arminians when we have these discussions is because those who are outside of the Reformed faith misunderstand at times what we mean by the will of God, and you do have a chapter in your book that defines God's decretive will and the reality of evil, because there is, I should say, a separation between God's decretive will and his prescribed will.

For instance, he says, among the other commandments in the Decalogue, that thou shalt not commit adultery. Now, when two people do commit adultery, that, sometimes in the mind of God alone, we may never know the reason, that was something that was decreed before the foundations of the world, and it is against, it violates at the same time, his prescribed will, because it violates one of.

His commandments. Am I right? Yeah. Yeah, in fact, I have a section in there. Early on, I start to open that door up, and I get into it more as the book progresses, but that's a very important point, Chris.

We have to understand, too, that God has his two wills, and I know that sounds strange, but it has to be the case. Biblically, it's definitely confirmed. God has a decreed will, as you said, and that's where he decrees all things whatsoever will pass, nothing will change that or violate that, and he also has a revealed or a moral will, or what, I forgot what you had said, but there's another way of putting that.

Prescribed will.

Prescribed will, yeah, that which he is, he reveals to us as his commands, as what he desires and so on, what he doesn't desire, and two examples that I give in Scripture that, and there's many, it's all throughout Scripture, but that really hit home with that are the examples of Joseph, and of course, the Lord Jesus Christ himself, and as I explain, which I don't have to do here, because I think we all know the story of Joseph, and of course, the Lord Jesus Christ, I would hope we know about, but when you look at the life of Joseph and what happened with his brothers, and how they sold them, wickedly sold them into slavery because of their jealousy, and et cetera, and you go on to the end when Joseph reveals himself and forgives them, he goes on to say, hey, you know, it's after his father dies, and they think that he's gonna now take vengeance on them, he says, no, you know, who am I in the place of God, and what God meant, or what you meant for evil, God meant for good, and what Joseph was saying there is that the intentions of his brothers were wicked, they had very sinful, wicked motives, they were wrong, but got through that wrong to accomplish salvation for Israel, because they would be delivered from the famine and be able to survive, and so on, and the same thing with Christ, and being crucified in Acts, Peter talks about how those, how the Jews had wickedly put Christ to death, and in doing so, they were accomplishing the very will of God, which through that evil, and their evil intentions, God would accomplish salvation, and so I ask two questions in the book earlier on, I say, was it the will of God for Joseph's brothers to sell him into slavery, was it the will of God for the Jews to turn Christ over to be crucified, and it's kind of a trick question, because really the answer is yes and no, it depends on what you're talking about, from the moral will of God, it was a very wrong and evil thing for them to do, they have no credit to receive for that, they didn't do anything good, it was wrong, they violated God's clear and revealed will, so it wasn't the will of God in that sense, but from a decreed standpoint, and God decreeing all things, he used even that evil, right, to accomplish a greater good, right, the salvation of Israel in one case, and sinners who come to Christ in the other, and so we see those two wills, both of them at the same time, two sides of the same coin, but they're functioning together, and that's one important, it's important to understand that as you go through this issue of understanding evil and suffering in the sovereign God's world,.

Definitely to get that understanding. Yes, amen. In fact, I have never heard a non-reformed person have any kind of real adequate answer to the text that I'm about to read that I think really vividly demonstrates that although whenever a person sins, they are violating God's prescribed will, God does indeed decree at times these evil acts to occur.

2 Samuel chapter 12, beginning in verse 11, this is the section where after David, King David, commits adultery with Bathsheba, and she is pregnant, and he is very worried about the fact that everybody's going to know that she conceived the child outside of wedlock since her husband was on the battlefield, Uriah the Hittite, and they will likely assume it is him, so in order to cover up this adultery, he actually arranges for the murder of Uriah the Hittite, and when Nathan the prophet challenges David on this, and God is speaking through Nathan the prophet, he says, beginning in verse 11 of 2 Samuel 12, behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household.

I even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. Indeed, you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel and under the sun.

So there is clear evidence that adulterous activity is going on as a chastisement to David, because they involve his own wife, or his wives, I should say, and it is something that God himself is decreeing to occur.

Yeah, yeah, in fact, and that's fulfilled with Absalom right when he actually goes up on the roof, right, of David's palace, and it's known, not that everybody can see it visibly, but it's known to all of Israel.

It was a means that he was now going to be taking that control. He actually slept with David's concubines, right, his Muslim wives, and so I believe that's what that was fulfilled, and I think in that sense, again, like you said, we see God ordaining something.

Now, let's step back one second. What Absalom did was evil, right? His motives were wrong. He had every evil. He wasn't saying, you know what, God made this prophecy, I heard about against my father, and I'm going to fulfill that because I love God.

No, he had every wicked desire and intent in his heart to do wrong, and he had lustful thoughts, he had jealousy of his father, he was an evil son, and it was all wrong, and yet God had pronounced judgment on David and would use, right, he ordained, he had, yeah, he had ordained to use that very means to be, that would to be the case, to be the way that David would be chastised for what David had done with that issue.

Those things we see, and what we do see is that the evil that takes done by man, and it's the intentions of man to do that. It's that the man is completely guilty, and I get into that a little in the book too, the idea of the accountability of man.

Who can hold man accountable then? No, man is very accountable. What he does, he wants to do it. Every sin you and I, Chris, have ever committed in our lives at any time, and especially before we were saved, we'd be lying if we said we didn't want to do those things, and we didn't desire, and it wasn't our heart's desire, right, and at the same time, speak for yourself, I'll ordain those things.

Sorry about that. Yeah, no, no, so it's, and one of the things I seek to establish as well, and this again is where you go through all the chapters and you get the balance, is that that being the case, at the same time, God has no delight in evil.

He has no delight in it. He doesn't enjoy it. He doesn't, it's not like before he created, he said, you know what, I just would really want to see people slaughtered and killed and raped, and I enjoy these things.

He hates what's evil, even though at the same time, he ordains to use that for good, and all these things that happen in the world, even the most evil things, and you look at the cross, but what could be more evil than what happened with Christ on the cross, when you look at the innocence of who Christ was and what happened to him, it's, there's no more evil of an event in one sense, and yet it's also the greatest expression of God's love and grace through that cross, and there's a chapter in the book called Bring It All Together, because it is at the cross that I think we can step back and appreciate these things and see, yes, God is good.

He's all-sovereign. He is, well, he is, he ordains, and even all of the evil we do out of our desires and our intents, and what he ordains, he uses all that to do good, to reveal his glory, and none of that is saying that I'm a God who, because I'm infinite and eternal, I have a right, and I just enjoy seeing evil things.

I believe what it says in Scripture, that when God says to Israel, I do not delight in the death of the wicked, but turn that you may be lived, he says it twice, and one time, the way it's said, it's in a general way, it's not just Israel.

There's a general sense when God says that he does not delight in the death of the wicked. He has no joy in that, and at the same time, he is glorified by it, and he ordains it, and he uses it to accomplish his bigger, his broader will.

So all these things come together in the same package. Again, do our brains at times, you know, we kind of get overwhelmed by it, is there some tension there? Yeah, but I do think when you look at the whole picture, which I try to get in this short little book, I think it's very helpful and very encouraging to see that in even the worst case picture, a little girl getting raped, a little child being abducted, raped, and murdered, buried alive, which happens, you know, with these stories, these things happen.

Even in that situation, knowing God will ordain that, and that there is a good purpose even in that, I think this comfort that can be found even in that kind of situation, as horrible as that is.

Yeah, I want to pick up on that when we return, and also obviously take some of our listener questions. By the way, Jenny in Ben Salem, Pennsylvania, you have won a free copy of Evil and Suffering in God's Sovereign, or should I say, a Sovereign God's World, Evil and Suffering in a Sovereign God's World by our guest Mark J. Grimaldi.

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