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Matt Slick Bible Study, Baptism, 5/20/2021
Let me know when you're live. Yep, you're gone, you're on. I can see it. All right, so what are we studying tonight? Oh, that's right, baptism. That's right, I was, got so busy going here. Okay, let's pray.
We'll just jump right in, okay? I hope you have your Bibles with you. We're gonna be doing a lot of scripture references and some theological ideas and some stuff like that, okay? All right. Lord Jesus, thank you.
Thank you for this time. And I ask, Lord, that you would bless it. Bless those of us here. Bless those of us who may be coming here and that they get here safely. We ask, Lord, for the viewers to be blessed as well.
Lord, as we open up your word and look to your scriptures, I ask for your guidance, I ask for your mercy. And we just look to you, Lord. We just look to you. We give you thanks. We ask this in your precious name, Jesus, amen.
All right, so let me ask you some questions. Does baptism necessarily mean you have to be immersed in water? No. No, no, no? You gave us a preview last week. Gave a preview, what do you think? The answer's no.
The answer's no. Can baptism be immersion? It can be. It can be, okay. I'm gonna make the case later that baptism can be sprinkling, pouring, and of course, immersion. And there's different kinds of baptisms.
Now, I have a lot of notes here and I've been working on an outline on baptism for months. What I mean by that is not every day, not all the time. Just, you know, I'll open that up and add that to it and close it, you know, add the file.
So what is baptism? Let's get to it. It is a religious rite, a religious ceremony that uses water and it signifies, generally uses water, and it signifies conversion and a symbolic ritual, symbolizes ritual cleansing.
Some people say that you cannot be saved from your sins without being immersed in water. That's a false teaching. It's a heresy. It is adding a ceremony to the work of Christ and stating that there's a legal requirement that you must perform in order to be saved.
Now, another thought about this is this. If baptism is necessary for salvation, and the question I'm gonna ask people who have that is, is salvation dependent upon God or upon you? If it's dependent upon God, then the faith that God grants, Philippians 129, will be sufficient.
But if it's dependent upon you, then you control when you get saved by when you get baptized. And that would be interesting because what if you put your baptism off for a few days? Then I guess you're the one who's in control of when you get saved before God.
And that is a form of arrogance. Now, baptism is used in different senses and in different ways, but it's so many things I can get into. And we'll see how it goes. In Leviticus 8 .6, Moses and Aaron and his son came near and washed them with water.
In Leviticus 15 .8, it says, you have to write all these down because there's a lot we're gonna be going through and I can send you guys the notes. If the man with his discharge spits on one who is clean, he too shall wash his clothes and bathe in water and be unclean until evening.
In Numbers 8 .7, this is a verse we'll be coming to later, thus you shall do to them, this is for the entering into the priesthood, for their cleansing, sprinkle purifying water on them and let them use a razor over their whole body.
Numbers 19 .18, a clean person shall take hyssop and dip it in water. Hyssop is a plant and would often grow by the river and sprinkle it on the tent and all the furnishings and on the persons who are there.
And on the one who touched the bone or the one slain or the one dying naturally or the grave, that's Numbers 19 .18. In Ezekiel 36 .25, some people think that when in John three, three through eight, when Jesus talks to Nicodemus and says, don't you know, you should know these things about being born again and all this stuff, people often will refer to Ezekiel 36.
They'll say, this is what he's talking about. He's referencing Ezekiel 36. Not everybody references that, but a lot of people do, but this is what Ezekiel 36 .25 says. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you and you'll be clean, the sprinkling of water.
I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols, Ezekiel 36 .25. Now, what's interesting about this is that when something is used and I've got a lot more verses, let's see if I can find them.
When an instrument or something is to be used for holy use, for example, then the element was applied to the object or the person. So 2 Chronicles 28 .15, for example, and they gave them clothes and sandals, fed them and gave them a drink, anointed them with oil, led all their feeble ones on donkeys.
So they were anointed with oil. All right, Psalm 23, four through five, you have anointed my head with oil. This is just the oil verses. In Ezekiel 16 .9, then I bathed you with water, washed off your blood from you and anointed you with oil.
And I got a lot more verses. In fact, in James 5 .14, is anyone among you sick? He must call for the elders of the church and they're to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. So those are verses anointing with oil and here's the phrase anoint with.
Anointing with oil, Mark 6 .13. They wanted to anoint the body of Christ, Mark 16 .1. Anointing them with perfume, that's when the woman was kissing the feet of Jesus in Luke 7 and anointing the feet with perfume.
It was Mary who anointed the Lord with ointment in John 11 .2. God anointed him, Jesus, with the Holy Spirit, Acts 10 .38. They were to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord, James 5 .14, we just went over.
So there's an anointing with, there is a washing with, there is cleansed with. Hebrews 9 .22, one might almost say that all things are cleansed with blood. You can be filled with the Holy Spirit, Exodus 31 .3, I have filled him with the Spirit of God and wisdom.
And then I did all kinds of research. I've been doing this for months and months off and in. The verb with object, baptized with water, for example, a verb, to do something with something. And girded with the sash, I can give references, but Israel struck him with the edge of the sword.
So this whole bit, I baptize you with water for repentance. Now that's Matthew 3 .11. So John the Baptist is stating that he is anointing people, or excuse me, he's baptizing them with water. But he who comes after me is mightier than I, I'm not fit to remove his sandals.
He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. Now, that's Matthew 3 .11. Also in Luke 3 .3, it says that I baptize you with, or Jesus says, John baptized you with water. I will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.
Let's talk about this. There's a lot to cover. So if John baptized with water, most people are gonna assume that the people were immersed into water. I'm gonna show you why there's some impracticality about that later.
Not that it can't happen, but anyway, because when I do baptize, I baptize by immersion. I prefer it that way. This thing is cool, it's fun. It's enjoyable, you know. But he baptized with water and Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit.
So what does it mean to be baptized with the Holy Spirit? Does it mean that you're immersed in the Holy Spirit? It doesn't mean that. Because that's not what happens. In fact, I should get over here. Get this, view my outline notes on the side, navigation pane, here we go.
There's so many things. I have this done alphabetically, not topically in my notes. So the Holy Spirit is poured, okay? And if you go to Joel 2, 28 and 30, what you'll see there, okay, let's go here. Pour, P-O-U-R, there we go.
Okay, good. So pouring, the Holy Spirit is poured. Never, it's never by immersion. And so I'm gonna go through a bunch of verses here. Eight, nine, 10 verses, maybe. I want you to see what the Bible says.
I'm gonna go through the Old Testament verses first, of course, Isaiah 32, 15, "'Until the Spirit is poured out upon us from on high.'". Isaiah 44, 3, "'I will pour out my Spirit on your offspring.'".
Ezekiel 39, 29, "'For I have poured out my Spirit on the house of Israel.'". Joel 2, 28, "'That I will pour out my Spirit on all mankind.'". Joel 2, 29, "'I will pour out my Spirit in those days.'". So the Spirit is poured.
Now that's interesting, because how could the Spirit be poured if he's a person? Well, I don't know, but the way the language is, the Spirit's poured upon. There's a kind of anointing that comes upon.
In Acts 2, 17, Peter is quoting Joel 2, 28. Remember I said Joel 2, 28, "'I will pour out my Spirit on all mankind.'". And this is exactly what he quotes in Acts 2, 17. "'I will pour out my Spirit on all mankind.'".
And then Joel 2, 28, 29 is found in Acts 2, 17 and 18. And in verse 18, "'I will pour out my Spirit in those days.'". And Acts 2, 33, "'The promise of the Holy Spirit has been poured forth, this which you both see and hear.'".
Now, this is getting interesting to me. I think this is good stuff, because when we talk about baptism and what baptism is, because remember, Jesus said in Luke 3, 3, he said that John baptized with water, but he'll baptize with the Holy Spirit.
So what is baptism of the Holy Spirit? What does it mean? The pouring of the Spirit upon. That's what it means. That's how it's spoken of. If baptism of John is immersion, then it would be John immersed with water, and I will pour the Spirit on you.
But it doesn't say that. It says, John baptized with water, and I'll baptize you with the Holy Spirit. So the context of the baptism, the same word, baptizo, is used there, and it's in reference, in part B, it's in reference to pouring, but in part A, what's it referenced to?
Some say automatically it must be immersion, because that's what baptism means. And I'll show you that's not the case. Not always. It does sometimes, but not always. So now, the promise of the Holy Spirit has been poured forth.
That's Acts 2 .33. The promise of the Spirit. That means the Father had promised the Spirit, and what had been happening? In Acts 2, they were speaking in tongues. So let's see. I got my notes here. Let's see if these are the right notes.
People were gathered in one place, Acts 2 .1. There came a noise like a violent rushing wind, Acts 2 .2. They saw tongues of fire resting on each one, Acts 2 .3. They were hearing the disciples speak in tongues, Acts 2 .4.
Others were amazed, hearing the Galileans speaking in multiple languages, Acts 2 .5 -11. Peter preaches and quotes Joel in Acts 2 .14 -21. We just went over that. Proclaims Christ's death and resurrection in verses 22 -24.
Quotes David in verse 25 -31. Talks about Jesus being raised in Acts 2 .32, and quotes David in Acts 2 .34 -35. Says Jesus is Lord in Acts 2 .36, and Peter commands baptism in Acts 2 .38, and 3 ,000 were baptized in Acts 2 .41.
Now we're gonna talk about this for a little bit. So what happens is, all this is precursor to understanding baptism when we get into it later. So, excuse me, so what we have here, we have here is the promise of the baptism of the Spirit is manifested in the charismatic gifts upon the believers in Acts chapter two.
Jesus had prophesied in Acts chapter one, verse five, I believe that, I'm gonna make sure I get that right, but in Acts one, five, he says, John baptized you with water, I'll baptize you with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.
Well, not many days, that's a fulfillment. The gift of the Holy Spirit is not salvation in the context. The gift of the Holy Spirit is the charismatic movement. Because that's what the context necessitates.
I know that some people are gonna say, well, Matt, you're just flat out wrong. Oh, maybe I am. But when I look at this, and I read it, I'm gonna do it this way, and I read it, I don't see that, okay? So what we see here is, there we go, in Acts one, five, it says this, it says, for John baptized with water, but you'll be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.
That's what Jesus says. And then in verse eight, he says, but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you. So he's prophesying that the Holy Spirit's gonna be coming upon the disciples and the people in the upper room.
Now, the house of Israel is spoken of, come on. I'm gonna go slow, it's big words. This is my sharing thing. Let me do this, well, I'll do it in a sec. So it says, men of Israel, verse 22, listen to these words.
So he's talking about the men of Israel, and the people of Israel are saying, you guys are crazy, you're drunk. Well, who are the men of Israel, the house of Israel talking about? The other people who were followers of Christ who are now speaking in tongues because the tongues of fire moved upon them, and that is the prophecy of Joel, which Peter quotes in Acts two, 16 and 17, out of Joel two, 28, 29.
He says, this is what this is, and that's the baptism of the Spirit. Baptism here does not mean immersion, does it? It can in other places. We'll talk about stuff, but it certainly doesn't in that moment, okay?
And when you go to, because this is one of the most famous verses in people's, in baptismal regeneration, a social teacher had to be baptized to be saved. Peter said, Act 238, repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus, which is interesting, Jesus Christ, for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Oh, so it's not, this is not an issue of salvation. This is an issue of the charismatic gifts. Now, it might be an issue of salvation. I gotta be careful here, I don't wanna say it's not, because it's the Jews, as it says in verse 36, Peter said, Therefore, let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.
So he's talking to the Jews, the Jewish people. He said, you crucified him. And when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and they said, well, what do we do? What do they do for what? Does this, what do we do to get saved?
Well, it doesn't say that. I mean, it could be. I think the Jewish mentality here is, okay, he's the Messiah. Here's these people speaking in tongues. We're hearing the gospel, or we're hearing stuff in different languages.
The sea, the fire coming down on their heads, supernatural stuff, they're taken aback by this. And that he says, you guys did this. You guys crucified him. And then what do we do? What do we do? Well, this is what you do, repent.
Turn from your sins, and each of you, each individual get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Now, is he saying here that the baptism here is to get forgiveness of sins?
It wouldn't be the case, because the baptism deals with the anointing of the Holy Spirit. Because that's why he says, you will receive the gifts of the Holy Spirit. It has to do with the promise of God covenantally to the house of Israel.
That's what's going on here. That's why it says, for the promises for you and your children, and for as many are far off. Now, some will say, well, the children means, you know, your children, they grow up, and then they become believers and they get baptized.
That's not, it might be. But he says, this is for you and your children. The words children here, not in Greek, I'm just saying the word children is typical of covenantal language out of the Old Testament.
Because God always included the children. Well, almost always, depending on the nature of the covenant. But he included children all over the place. We're gonna go through the Abrahamic covenant in a little while.
He included children constantly in the covenant, all the time. It happened all over the place. So some people will think, that's why I believe in infabaptism, and I'm gonna defend that tonight. And if you don't agree, that's okay.
You know, I'm not gonna die in that hill, but I'm gonna make a case for it later. Now, so, this is interesting to me because the gift of the Holy Spirit here in Acts 2 .38 is demonstrated, and you will receive the gift.
Well, what gift are they talking about? The promise, because it says, for the promise is for you and your children. It's that which came before, which is the charismatic movement there. Now, if you go to Acts 10 .44, while Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon, poured on, fell upon all those who are listening to the message.
And the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed because the gift of the Holy Spirit, what is that? The charismatic movement. Had been poured out on the Gentiles also, for they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God.
That should be, it should nail it right there. That's what it is. Then Peter answered, surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did. Now, some people will say that baptism's necessary for salvation and that you cannot be saved until you get baptized in water, which has to be by immersion, which we're gonna tackle again later.
Now, in Acts 2 .38, the order is baptism and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Here in Acts 10 .44 through 48, it's you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit and then you get baptized. They're reversed.
If baptism is necessary for salvation, based on Acts 2 .38, then why is the order reversed in Acts 10 .44 through 48? And I ask baptismal regenerationists, I'll say, okay, were they not saved before they got baptized in Acts 10?
Because they're speaking in tongues and they're glorifying God. And the Bible says that the unbelievers are slaves of sin, haters of God, don't do any good. How are they gonna exalt God? Well, you know, they don't receive the things of God, but these do.
And then they sometimes come back, well, was Cornelius really one of them? And then we get into some stuff, but that's another thing. They try to have counter arguments because they have to hold onto their idolatrous position that baptism is necessary for salvation because they believe in works righteousness.
They believe in the necessity of getting dunked in water, dunked in water in order to be made right and complete before God, as though the faith in Christ that God grants is not enough to justify us. Man, anyway.
So Peter says, no one can refuse water for these who have been baptized who have received the Holy Spirit, just as we did. So they received the Holy Spirit. Peter's saying, they said, just like us. Well, are those people unsafe?
I've had people say to me, you gotta slow down, get less excited. People say to me, they're speaking in tongues or glorifying God. Yes, they've received the Holy Spirit, but they're still in a state of damnation.
Why? Because they hadn't been baptized.
It's ludicrous. It's just ludicrous. I don't agree. Is it okay to say that? Yeah, of course. I don't agree with their argument, but could they be making that argument on the fact that elsewhere in scripture it says they've experienced the Holy Spirit, but then fell away.
It's actually Hebrews 6, 4 -6.
They partook of the Holy Spirit, but it doesn't mean they were saved because Judas was enlightened, partook, et cetera, and then it's impossible to renew them again in repentance, which means in that case, you could never get saved again, and that's a whole other topic and direction.
So let's keep going with this stuff. This interesting? Okay, now, this is just, I gotta tell you, this is geek information, okay? So Baptizo is number 907 in the Strong's Concordance, and you can search by numbers in Longus Bible Program, and it means baptized, baptized, baptizing.
It occurs 77 times. Baptism occurs 19 times. And now check this out, okay? 907 is baptizo, 908 is baptisma, 909 is baptismos, okay? Ching, ching, ching. And baptismos means washings, and we're gonna go to that later in Hebrews, and I'm gonna show you where the washings, baptismos means sprinkling, okay?
From the context. And it means to immerse, and it does in places in 911. Okay, now, let's go over some other stuff here. God's people were baptized on dry land as the Israelites crossed the Red Sea. 1 Corinthians 10, verse one through four.
For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and the sea. Wait a minute, they walked across on dry land.
How were they baptized? Doesn't baptism mean that they had to be immersed in water? No, they're baptized into Moses. Baptized into Moses is a public identification and typological movement, but identification with the work and the authority of Moses and what he was doing, being called by God, right?
Okay, you're baptized in the name of Jesus is the same thing, because it means by the authority of, but when you're baptized into Christ, we'll get into that, it's the same kind of a thing that's going on, okay?
All right, now, of course, I can get into, I won't do this, but there's always the point of Colossians 2, 14, having canceled the certificate of debt. The certificate of debt, the sin debt, was canceled at the cross, but they're gonna have to say that it's canceled when you get baptized, because if it's canceled when you have faith, then if you get baptized or not, you're saved.
That's a whole nother issue, but anyway. All right, and there's, I got lots of stuff I could talk about this. Okay, I'll stay with baptism, okay. Now, John the Baptist's baptism of Luke 3, 3. So I'm gonna go, I think it's Luke 3, 3.
I'm just gonna take a quick look. Last one there is a semi-Pelagian. And he came into all the district around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. So John the Baptist was preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
And Acts 2, 38, be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. If Acts 2, 38, baptism brings you forgiveness of sins, then it would be, you get baptized in the name of Jesus in order to get forgiveness of sins, for the forgiveness of sins, baptized for the forgiveness of sins.
Here in Luke 3, 3, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. So then the baptism of repentance is what got your sins forgiven, right? By the same token, the same logic. But how can that be?
Because Christ hadn't been crucified yet, and they weren't putting their trust and hope in Christ yet. It doesn't make any sense. So it can't be that it was, the baptism of repentance is what brought them salvation, the forgiveness of sins, because repentance is a mind change towards following the issues of the law.
So we gotta be very careful what we're saying here, okay? Now, let me go on some more stuff. Okay, all right, so much heresy, so little time. And, all right, so let's do this. Let's go to Romans chapter six.
We're gonna go through some stuff. And we'll go back to Acts 2 and some other places. Romans 6, verse three, or do you not know that all of us who've been baptized into Christ have been baptized into his death, right?
Okay, now wait a minute. Baptized into Christ have been baptized into his death. They were baptized into Moses in 1 Corinthians 10, talking about this, one and two. So if they're baptized into Christ, does that mean that when you're saved is when you're baptized into Christ?
It's not what is going on here. And I'll show you why from the context. It can't be. So, I had to change my view. Let's get back to, okay. So, do you not know that all of us who've been baptized into Christ, Jesus, have been baptized into his death?
Verse four, therefore you have been buried with him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in the midst of life. Now, buried with him in baptism, does it mean immersion?
Doesn't say that. Doesn't say it. So, it can, and it seems to suggest the idea of being buried in baptism, being buried in water. Now, let's talk about this. So, buried with Jesus. How was Jesus buried?
In a tomb above the ground, in a room laid on a slab with a door, a stone put over this room, hewn in thing, and that was a burial. Is that how we're buried when we are baptized? No. If we get immersed in water, is that how we're, are we doing what happened to Christ?
Now, they might say, well, he was immersed in the rock. Yeah, it's, there's some issues here. Now, I've been in Jerusalem and been to one of the, there's like two or three, traditional tombs of Jesus, and it's about, the door's about four and a half inches, four and a half feet high, and you, you know, I'm six feet, so walk, get in there a little bit, and this room is probably five feet wide, maybe six at the most, and then seven, eight feet deep, and there was a, I'm trying to remember best my memory, and then it was this area to put the body on, okay?
And there was a stone. So, let me ask you a question. So, that's a burial. In fact, a lot of people don't know this, but different cultures bury in different ways, and some cultures, they bury you up to your waist, and you're exposed up, and then the animals get you.
That's called burial. Another culture, they, how do I say this politely? They insert a large pole into a certain area of your body up into your head, and then they tie you in a tree, and then the body decays, and that's how you're buried.
Different cultures have different things. You can be burned. That's burial. At sea, you can be in the water, and in sci-fi, you're shot at warp speed, and that's a better way to go. So, stuff like that.
Now, would it be a burial if we put someone into a side of a hill, dug a hole into the hill, put a body in there, and sealed it up with a big rock or a door? It'd be a burial. What if we were to take a home, a house, and add a room onto it, put the body in there, put a door over it, and just seal it with mud or whatever it is?
Is that a burial? So, okay, so this burial relates to our baptism, but people will say that the baptism must be by the going down into the water and being submerged in the water, and that's the baptism of Jesus.
There's a bit of a stretch in that direct one-to-one relationship, because that's not what happened. He didn't go down into the earth, but he did go into the earth. Didn't go down into it, but he went over to it.
And I'm not gonna play with words here, make too much out of it, but I want people to think, okay, yeah, I see what you're saying, all right. If baptism is something that occurs to a person and it's pouring for the sake of the Holy Spirit, then when we're baptized into Moses, or they were baptized into Moses, it was an identification with the work of Moses.
To baptize into Christ, it's an identification with the work of Christ, and that work of Christ was a sacrifice on the cross. So that's what it means to be baptized into his death, to have a public declaration of that relationship that you have covenantally with Jesus.
Now, continuing on in John, Romans 6, verse four, therefore, we have been buried with him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too might walk into the midst of life.
For if we have been united with him in the likeness of his death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of his resurrection. Now, at this point, I do like baptism by immersion. Is someone coming in?
So maybe this will actually let your daughter do something.
Okay, and so I like the idea of being raised up with Christ in the waters of immersion. I like that. And when I baptized Nathan and Lindsay in the Boise River a while back, we did complete immersion. And when I was baptized, I was baptized in the ocean, and it was great.
Now, so I like that image. Verse six, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with him. Okay, now wait a minute. If baptism is when we died with Christ, no, that can't be right, because we died with Christ on the cross.
Okay, so that can't be that baptism will be died. So baptism is when our sins are removed, but that's not what it's talking about, being baptized into Christ, it's the identification. Okay, so that's not it, because we were united with Christ in his death, which means, because that's federal headship, the male represents a descendants.
So then the male, Jesus, we were in Christ, right? In Christ, 1 Corinthians 15, 22, in Adam all die, in Christ all shall be made alive. The in Christ is in reference to those who are in him as he represents them.
They're baptized in to Moses, the representation of Moses through what he was doing, they're identifying with that in his power and in his work. Within Christ, it's his work, and we are in him in that, and that's what it means to be baptized in Christ.
And so it says, but we have died with him on the cross, we're crucified with him. We died, we're crucified with him, verse six, and we died with him, verse eight. Well, when was he crucified? 2 ,000 years ago.
If baptism is required for salvation and part of the salvation methodology, then how is it that we were crucified with Christ 2 ,000 years ago? And if it means you can lose your salvation, how were you crucified with Christ 2 ,000 years ago?
Were you crucified with Christ and then uncrucified with Christ? Because to be crucified with Christ means you died to the law, Romans 7, 4, and if there is no law, there is no sin, Romans 5, 13. This is heavy theology, and the people who say that it's baptismal regeneration here aren't thinking.
And the reason they're not thinking is because they have one frontal lobe tied behind their back by the issue of baptismal regeneration. Now, let's go back to Acts 2. Let's go back to Acts 2. We're gonna have fun with Acts 2.
Oh, this is one of my favorite things to do, Acts 2. So I think it's 241. So then those who had received the word were baptized, and that day there were added about 3 ,000 souls. All right, now. So we're all 3 ,000 baptized, which certainly appears to be the case.
We're all 3 ,000 immortal. We're all 3 ,000 immersed. Okay, let's assume they were immersed. Let's do some math. We can do some math. We can do some explanatory numbers, exploratory numbers, okay? Yeah.
So I've done this before in other Bible studies, which I know you guys have been around. So this is for the people who are listening online as well. So we don't know how many people were doing the baptisms, but let's just say, Jessica, I want you to see the numbers.
Let's just say 12 disciples are doing the baptism. Who's that? Same. Hannah, okay. So when my wife and I went to get baptized, we were in Southern California, and Chuck Smith, the founder of Calvary Chapel, baptized us.
And there was a big crowd around him, and a big crowd around some other elders, and they were doing baptism. And they did not, not that this makes how it was or wasn't done, but it wasn't that this person got baptized, and then that person baptized somebody else, and then they baptized other people, and then they all got baptized.
One did one, and then that one did another one. Now you got three. So that means three can now baptize one each, so within, say in two, three minutes. Now you got three. Well, that means you got six now.
Then you got 12, but then you'd be done in half hour, okay? So people are getting baptized, most probably by the disciples, most probably. Let's just assume that the 12 disciples were baptizing for eight hours, an eight-hour workday.
Not that they were, not that that's just how it has to be, but let's just do the numbers. I did the calculations. For 3 ,000 people, that's a baptism roughly every two minutes and 20 seconds. Now, for 12 people, 12 disciples baptizing for eight hours nonstop.
I've been to the Jordan River if they were in the Jordan River. Now remember, they were up in the upper room, and there were people coming up to where they were in the room. Was it preaching? That's another issue.
Where were they at? Where were they? But at any rate, so if they were out in a body of water, and the 12 disciples are doing this, they say they walked to the Jordan. Like I said, I've been to the Jordan, and yeah, I would need a spring suit, you know, a spring suit, which is a wetsuit for spring, because the water's too cold.
It's a thinner wetsuit, usually with shorts. And so I used to have a spring suit. At any rate, I would need something like that to kind of do okay. And because it was cool, definitely cool. Now, let's just say a person weighs 100 pounds, and they have clothing on, whatever they have, robes or however they did, and they get dunked in water.
They come up weighing 103 pounds instead of 100 pounds. Let's just say three pounds of water. I don't know. But that means they come up heavier than they went down in the water. Now, if the water is only, because of hypothermia, the water's too cold in the Jordan River, say the water's up to your hips, that still will get you chilled after a couple, three hours.
Because you're from Southern California, you used to go surfing and body boarding all the time. I mean, you last, yeah, you could have a suit on. I was out there once at 58 degree water for two hours.
And I got out because I couldn't feel anything anymore. I couldn't feel my legs rubbing against each other. And that's 58 degree water. And I You don't have booties on, you're fetal freeze. Yeah, you're fetal freeze, yeah.
And that's only in an hour to two hours. And so this was, I think the average temperature is like 62 or 67 degrees. So it's definitely on the cold side. You get my point. If you're up to your waist or whatever, so that you don't have to, because if your water's only knee deep, you got to reach them way down and then way up.
100 pounds down, 103 pounds up idea. You can't do that for very long. I don't care what kind of guy you are, unless you're maybe Jack LaLanne. He might've been, he's superhuman, probably from another world.
You can't do that for very long. Well, okay, so the water has to be higher, so they don't have to bend down so much. Well, then you get hypothermia after eight hours. Well, that's not gonna work. It just doesn't make sense that they were all immersed inside of 3 ,000 people inside of eight hours by 12 disciples.
So some people say, well, there's 120 people up in the room. So that's how many people were doing the baptism in order to get out of this issue. What they're doing is recognizing there's an issue. If the baptism is with a hyssop branch, remember?
We talked about that earlier. That they would actually baptize them with the hyssop branch in the Old Testament. Where was that? Let me find this. Okay, H-Y-S-S. A clean person shall take the hyssop and dip it in the water and sprinkle it on the tent and the furnishings and the persons.
So that's a form of baptism, okay? But having the water sprinkled on. Well, I'm gonna show you how Jesus was sprinkled in a little bit. So get the article ready, Charlie. And so it would make more sense to say that John the Baptist took a hyssop branch, which grows on the banks, dipped it in water like it did in the Old Testament, and sprinkled it on people.
Then you could do 3 ,000. Not just John the Baptist, excuse me, but the 12 disciples. Theoretically, they could do it that way. Now, I'm not saying that is what happened. I'm just saying that's one of the possibilities.
It could also be that they could have walked out in the water and it could have been up to their thighs and just taken their hands and ripped it like that and poured it over the people. And they were shorter back then, too.
So the bending movement wouldn't have been as much. I'm six feet and I think you're six two or something like that. So if we were doing that, that's a lot of bending down. But if you're only four to four foot three, four, I think that's the average, it's not that far to bend down, really.
If it up to the thighs, I guess it's proportionally it would be. But at any rate, I'm trying to get y 'all thinking. So that's another possibility. Not saying this is or is the case, is or isn't. I'm just getting you to think.
It makes more sense otherwise. Now, the jailer. Let's go to Acts 16. You just did.
You're done. Yeah. It says, so then those who received the word were baptized and that day were added about 3 ,000 soldiers. They don't all have to be baptized that day.
It says that day there were 3 ,000 added, but some people are gonna say that they were baptizing so that baptism was how you entered the church, which would make sense if the visible church's entrance is baptism, which replaces circumcision, which we're gonna get into.
So, I gotta find this. I didn't think I was gonna go to this. This is Acts 16, 27. Now, this is after the earthquake and the people left. The people in jail left and they came back. When the jailer awoke and saw the prison doors open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, supposing that the prisoners had escaped.
Paul cried out with a loud voice saying, do not harm yourself for we are all here. For he called on the lights, rushed in and trembling with fear, he fell down before Paul and Silas. After he brought them out, he said, sirs, what must I do to be saved?
And he said, believe in the Lord Jesus and you'll be saved, you and your household. They spoke the word of the Lord to him, this house, they took that very hour in the night and washed their wounds and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household.
Now, so baptism is not said to be saved, but baptism follows that which is said to be, that which saved, which is belief. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. That's specifically the answer to the question.
Baptism followed for the whole household. Whether infants and children in the household, doesn't say yes, doesn't say no. Now, but it does say that his household was baptized. That most probably meant they went to the man's house to baptize his family.
Wait a minute, what the heck is going on? The jailer is seeing that these guys are still there, Paul and Silas, and the reason he was gonna kill himself is in the Roman system, if your prisoner escaped, you took his place.
So they were in trouble, he's gonna be in jail, he's gonna, okay. Don't do that, Paul says, we're here. And what do we do to get saved? Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, okay. And then the whole household gets baptized.
Why would the whole household get baptized? That's an important question. Now, if he is the federal head of his family, and as a people, he goes, the family goes, that's why his whole household will get baptized.
That would be a covenant sign, and consistent with a covenant sign. Because Paul is the one doing it. Paul and John are administering the baptism, right? Now, that would mean, wait a minute, baptism means you're saved.
Well, then the baptismal generation's got to say, they all believe the gospel. It doesn't say that. It says the jailer believed, he, it said, let me make sure I'm right. Baptized he and all his household, and he brought them into his house and set food before them, rejoiced having, rejoiced having believed in God with his whole household, gotta make sure.
So it looked like the whole household did believe. Okay, that's good. I remember thinking something in the back of my head. This is verse 34. So they went to the household to get baptized. Now, here's a question.
Were they immersed? That's the right question. They got their bathtub, they turned on the water, and they got it. Oh, they didn't have running water? Oh, that's right. Sorry about that. They didn't have a big bathtub?
Okay, so that's a problem. Water truck, yeah. And they got the hose outside, and then they.
The ritual cleaning, where was that done? That was done at the temple, not in their home, right? No, it could be done any place. Yeah, it could be done any place, yeah.
So I used to have a roughly 30-gallon aquarium. Now, 8 .3 gallons of water, or it's gonna be 8 .3 pounds of water for 30 gallons. We're talking 240 pounds of water. The most I've ever bench pressed in my life is 265.
And I could not lift this 240, okay? I couldn't do it. And it was only this big. The water's heavy. How could you get baptized in something like that? Now, in a house, did they have large bodies of water and bathtubs?
They did not. They did not. And so if they went to the household, the household got baptized, what they did was they went to the well, usually the women went to the well in groups, and they would get the water, and it would be a bowl, and they would carry it, maybe two gallons.
That's 16 pounds. Now, were women sturdier then? Let's get in the benefit of the doubt and say three gallons. And that's eight times three, 24, 24, let's say 25 pounds, okay? 25 pounds are carrying. Okay, no problem.
Three gallons. Can you get baptized immersed in three gallons of water? Not happening. They'd have to go every day to get this, and they would pour over their hands to get, and they would baptize their hands, to dip, to immerse the hands.
Of course, it was poured on the hands. Sometimes they would have a bowl, and they'd put their hands in, and that's also called baptism. So, we start putting flesh and blood on this. You go, wait a minute.
It does not make sense to say that they were immersed in water. Unless you wanna say that what they did was, they went to the house, and then all of them went to a river and got baptized. But to say that, and at night, it wouldn't be really the case.
And then at Jerusalem, I've been to Jerusalem, okay? And, you know, I remember driving in the car, and I remember driving in the bus. I didn't see any bodies of water, any rivers. So, if they're in Jerusalem, I'm not saying they weren't there at that time or whatever, but did all the households, because all households were getting baptized.
Were they all going to the one place, the one river? And you certainly weren't gonna go to a common fountain, and put your dirty bodies into the common fountain, where people would go in and, you know, like the pool of Siloam, you know, Siloam.
They would rush into that because they wanted to get, they thought the angels turning up the water, and they wanted to get saved. They were doing that. But this is a public thing of water. You don't do that, okay?
So you start, you go, wait a minute. You know what? This immersion thing of all the households, it starts raising questions. So you certainly start raising questions. 3 ,000 baptized, it's not working, you know?
There's a problem here. The whole household's getting baptized. All right, now, why was Jesus baptized? Asks Matt, to those who already know the answer. Why was he baptized? Matthew 3 .15 is the answer.
To fulfill all righteousness. To fulfill all righteousness. Someone has been studying and learning. You are highly intelligent and bright, and all that kind of stuff. I wasn't talking about you, I should.
Yeah, it was somebody else that's right, okay. Okay. So why was Jesus baptized? He said to fulfill all righteousness. What does it mean to fulfill? To Old Testament law. So, if he had to fulfill the Old Testament law, I don't know if I have my notes in here.
I got so much to add to this thing. Yeah, I can do it from memory. It's all right. All right, so Jesus says to fulfill all righteousness. That means he had to fulfill the requirements of the law. And we know from Galatians 4 .4, he was made for little, I mean, he's made under the law.
And he came to fulfill the law, Matthew 5 .17 and 18. All right, that means that what he was doing was to fulfill the law. Where is that law spoken of? Where is it? Well, not every detail of the Old Testament law was done by Christ, or at least recorded by Christ.
I believe that what Matthew did was he took out of the Old Testament those elements that showed the relationship of Christ in the Old Testament in their regard to entering into the priesthood. Because in order to enter into the priesthood, let me see if I can find it here.
I know I got it someplace. In order to enter into the priesthood, I'm gonna find it, I'm gonna read this. Because if, okay, he had to be 30, oh, you slum, I just had it and then I touched the screen. He had to be 30 years of age.
That's Numbers 4, verses one and three. And that's how old Jesus was. There's a reference for it being 30 years old when he started. And the priest, in order to enter into the priesthood, he had to be washed with water, washed with water.
And remember, folks, just so you know, Jesus is the high priest after the order of Melchizedek, Hebrews 6 .20, Hebrews 7 .25. That's for the people there. And in Exodus 29, one and four, this is what you are to do to consecrate them that they may serve me as priests.
Take a young bull and two rams without defect, verse four. Then you shall bring Aaron and his sons to the doorway, the tent of meeting, and wash them with water. They weren't immersed in water. The water was applied to them.
Leviticus 8 .6, then Moses and Aaron and his sons came near and washed them with water. Numbers 8 .7, then thus you shall do to them for their cleansing, sprinkle purifying water on them and let them use a razor over their whole body.
So to enter into the priesthood, they had to be sprinkled. Now, this is sprinkled purifying water. Now, someone might say, well, Jesus didn't need to be purified. Okay, that's true, didn't need to be purified.
And there's no evidence that he took a razor over his whole body in order to wash his clothes. Okay, we get that, and I agree. But where else in the scriptures is what Jesus said to fulfill all righteousness?
Where else is it found in scripture? I looked all over, could not find anything, could not. And this is the only place in Leviticus 8, Numbers chapter four and Numbers 8 .7 and Exodus 29, where it talks about the things that are mentioned in the New Testament.
30 years of age, verbal blessing given, washed with water, sprinkled with water, oil applied. The oil is the anointing from the Holy Spirit. And that's, you can go to Exodus 29 .7, then you shall take the anointing oil and pour it on his head and anoint him.
And Leviticus 8 again, and the Levites shall lay their hands on his head to the bulls and offer one of the sin offerings, another for, oh, to make atonement. I got the wrong verse in there. Oh, verse, John, 1 John 1, 1 John 2, 27.
Verse 20 and 27. Verse 20, but you have an anointing from the Holy One and you all know. Verse 27, and as for you, the anointing which you receive from him abides in you and you have no need for anyone to teach you, but his anointing teaches you about all things and is true, is not a lie.
Just as it has taught you, you abide in him. The anointing you received is the Holy Spirit. Because he says the anointing is from the Holy One and you have received from him abides in you. The anointing abides in you.
That's the Holy Spirit. The oil is a type of Holy Spirit. It comes upon you, which is poured upon the head, which is the Holy Spirit being poured upon you. Verbal blessing given. In that section, this is 39, 43, Moses examined all the work and behold that he had done.
Just as the Lord had commanded, this should be done. So Moses blessed them. Number six, then the Lord spoke to Moses saying, speak to Aaron and his sons, thus you shall bless the sons of Israel. It goes on and on.
In Matthew 3, 17, God says, this is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased. So it seems to be, seems to be that what Jesus was doing to enter into that priesthood was fulfilling the Old Testament law requirements of the anointing, being 30 years of age and being sprinkled with water.
Now I gotta get my shoes on, cause my feet are freezing. So it'll take me 30 seconds. So sorry, I would do that. But Jesus was baptized. What makes sense according to the scriptures was the mode of his baptism.
And I'll keep talking because I got the mic, portable mic. It makes sense to say that it's the baptism of the sprinkling. It makes sense to say that. Now it's not proof, but it certainly seems to be the case.
You're with me? Yep. Okay. Now, but wait, there's more. All right, let's go to, we'll go to Hebrews nine. Okay. I'm a little rusty on this one, so you gotta bear with me. Okay, now. So I'm just gonna read through this.
Hebrews nine. Okay. And let's see. Okay, let's start at verse six. Now, when these things have been so prepared, he's talking about the tabernacle and the incense, the Ark of the Covenant in verse four, and the veil in a temple.
This is the context. Verse six. And when these things have been so prepared, the priests are continually entering the outer tabernacle, performing the divine worship. But into the second, only the high priest enters once a year, not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the sins of the people committed in ignorance.
The Holy Spirit is signifying this, that the way into the holy place has not yet been disclosed while the outer tabernacle is still standing, which is a symbol for the present time. Accordingly, both gifts and sacrifices are offered, which cannot make the worshiper perfect in conscience.
Verse 10. Since they relate only to food and drink and various washings. The word washings is baptismos. Regulations for the body imposed until a time of reformation. But when Christ appeared as a high priest for the good things to come, he entered through the greater, more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, not with the blood of goats.
Verse 13. For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of the heifer, sprinkling those who have been defiled, sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal spirit offered himself a blemish, cleanse your conscience from dead works?
The word washings is talking about the sprinklings that was going on, right? The word baptismos is about the sprinklings, right there in Hebrews nine. Isn't that interesting? Let's go to Acts chapter eight.
I think it's Acts eight. Yes. The Ethiopian eunuch in verse 25. And verse 26, an angel spoke to Philip, go there, went up. Verse 27, so he got up and went and there was an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, who was in charge of all her treasure and he had come to Jerusalem to worship.
And he was returning and sitting in his chariot, was reading the prophet Isaiah. And the spirit said to Philip, go up and join this chariot. Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet. And he said, do you understand what you're reading?
And he said, well, how could I unless someone guides me? And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. Now the passage of scripture, which he was reading was this. He was led as a sheep to the slaughter and as a lamb before the shearer is silent.
So he does not open his mouth. In humiliation, his judgment was taken away who will relate his generation. Then the eunuch answered to Philip and said, please tell me of whom does this prophet say this?
Of himself or someone else? And Philip opened his mouth. Beginning from the scripture, he preached Jesus to him. As they went along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, look, water, what prevents you from being baptized?
And Philip said, if you believe with all your heart, you may. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God. Because he'd been preached to about. And he ordered the chariot to stop and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch and he baptized him.
Now, they went into the water where they both immersed because it says Philip was as well as a eunuch and he baptized him. They both went down into the water. If into the water means that the Ethiopian eunuch was immersed in the water, then Philip was immersed in the water.
You can be up to the water, up to your knees, up to your hips. When I was at the beach with my kids when they were this high, get out of the water, okay? And he went out and he found his little sand, you know?
And it was a lot of fun. Now, he's reading Isaiah 53, okay? Go to Isaiah 53. Isaiah 53, come on. Because he's talking about how we carry our griefs away, smitten of God, afflicted, right? Isaiah 53. But look at what the last verse of 52 says.
What's the context? Thus he will sprinkle many nations. Kings will shut their mouths on account of him. For what had he been told they will see and they had not heard they will understand. Who believes our message?
And to whom is the arm of the Lord spoken? And he goes on. He was despised, forsaken of men. Now, the only reason I'm bringing this up is the context of Isaiah 53 is important. And when you look at it, what was happening here is that if the Ethiopian eunuch had been reading through, he would have read the baptism thing.
But it doesn't say he was. He could have only been focusing on that one section. That's perfectly legitimate. And not been aware of the baptism thing, which I don't really think was the case, the sprinkling thing, because, excuse me, because they didn't have chapter breaks.
It was a scroll. He'd had to find it. And okay. I just think it's interesting that the Ethiopian eunuch, when he talked about baptism, reading Isaiah, Isaiah's context was interesting, but before it was sprinkling.
Doesn't prove anything. I just think it's interesting. Okay? Now. What? You're stepping on your kitty's tail. Oh, that's okay. He'll get up. So now let's do some more study on baptism. Is this interesting?
Okay. You ever heard this stuff before? This is different, huh? You're like, what? We're gonna discuss Abraham. Now, the covenant with Abraham, is it cold in here, you guys? That's why I thought I'd check it, yeah.
Okay. Yeah, just shut, yeah, if you would, shut that and shut those doors, because, yeah. Sorry, I didn't notice, didn't think about it. I guess I'll involve the teaching that I forget. Everybody's got jackets and sweaters on.
It is cold, yeah, my apologies. Can you turn the light off in there? The middle light, middle switch. There you go, perfect, thanks. Thanks. Hey, how'd he get out? Your daughter came downstairs. That's what happened.
Well, as long as the front door's closed, he's okay. All right. Now, Genesis 12, three, God says to Abraham, in you, all the nations shall be blessed. That's what he says in Genesis 12, three. In you, all the nations shall be blessed.
Okay. And that verse, Genesis 12, three, is quoted by Paul in Galatians 3 ,8. We're gonna get to that later. Okay. But what he says there is interesting. So, God had promised, in you, all the nations shall be blessed.
Now, Paul calls it the gospel in Galatians 3 ,8. He literally quotes this verse. It says, the gospel was preached beforehand to Abraham saying, in you, all the nations shall be blessed. He called it the gospel.
That's a promise that God had made with Abraham. In you, all the nations shall be blessed. That means the Messiah is coming through you. That's what it means. Okay. In Genesis 17, 10 through 11, this is my covenant which you shall keep between me and you and your descendants after you.
Because God had made a promise that in you, all the nations shall be blessed. And he's making a covenant promise to fulfill that requirement. And he says, this is the covenant which you shall keep between me and you and your descendants after you.
Every male among you shall be circumcised and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin. And it shall be the sign of the covenant between me and you. Genesis 17, 10 through 11. And notice what Paul says in Romans 4, 11.
We're going back to Genesis here in a minute, but it says, and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised. So that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them.
Now notice what he says. We receive the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith, which he had while uncircumcised. The circumcision was a seal of the righteousness of faith that he had, but he hadn't even been circumcised yet.
So the circumcision was a retroactive seal upon what had already been accomplished. I think I had the baptism, okay. But now, so the Abrahamic covenant in you all the nations shall be blessed and the sign of the covenant was circumcision.
Now here's a stupid question. Why is it only the males were circumcised? Okay, Matt doesn't know biology, he's got some problems. All right. Now you're on the right track, head of the household. Circumcision, obviously for the male, females don't have the male organ, okay.
And so in circumcision, there's the shedding of blood on the male reproductive organ, which symbolizes descendancy, which symbolizes being in someone because my children, so to speak, are in the seed of the father.
Now, you may have been aware of the cultural understanding of this kind of a thing when Abraham and Sarah, and they didn't have any children. And so Sarah gave Hagar to Abraham in order for him to place his seed into her so that Sarah would have a son.
Well, wait a minute, that's weird. But not if you understand the context. They believed back then a seed, pumpkin seed, corn seed, mustard seed, you put it into the ground. You can put it over there, you can put it over there, and you can put it over there.
Just needs the ground and the right circumcision, it'll go. You put that woman, that woman, or that woman, it's his seed. Doesn't matter which one. And so that's why the child is his. She just happened to be the dirt, not to be disrespectful to women in pregnancy, that dirt in which that sin was there, that seed was placed.
It could have been that dirt. It could have been that dirt. It could have been a flower pot, all right? So that's the mentality. That's why he said so she could have a son because she's married to Abraham and the seed was his.
Her pot was dry, her soil was dry. So let's put it over there. Can I use your pot to put my pumpkin seed, watermelon seed in? Yeah, it's still mine, isn't it? That's the mentality, all right? So the male representation is very important here.
Circumcision is a sign of that. So this is one of another reason why only the males were circumcised other than the obvious reason. So now what we have is the Abrahamic covenant, which is ratified in Genesis 17, 10 to 11, which is a sign of the seal is circumcision, which is a sign of the Abrahamic covenant.
And you, all the nations shall be blessed. It's called the gospel. Is the Abrahamic covenant still in effect? Yes, it is. Does the Abrahamic covenant require children to be included in it? Is there any New Testament admonition to exclude infants, children, from the same Abrahamic covenant?
There is none. Well, that's interesting. Now, then if that's the case, Matt, why is it that you baptize instead of circumcise? Let's go to Colossians chapter two. Last one there is almost a baptismal regenerationist.
So we turn to verse nine, get a little bit of context. Colossians 2, nine, for in him, all the fullness of deity dwells in bodily form. And in him, you have been made complete. And he is the head over all rule and authority, verse 11.
And in him, you are circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you are also raised up with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
Now, buried with him in baptism, I think the best, we can make a strong case that it's immersion down into water. But we also know that being baptized into Christ, Romans 6, four, and we haven't gone to Galatians 3, 27 yet.
We'll talk about that probably. And 1 Peter 3, 21, baptism and stuff like that. This is all related, okay? Go to, you know, Acts 2, 16. We'll get some verses. Oh, we gotta go to John 3. We got stuff to do.
I know this is deep and we've been at it for an hour and 15, right? It's good stuff though, right? Okay. So, Paul, I'm not gonna say equates circumcision and baptism but he certainly compares them and relates them.
And in him, verse 11, you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, having been buried with him in baptism. Paul is saying you were circumcised without the hands but by baptism, circumcision of the heart.
Baptism circumcises your heart. It doesn't justify you. The circumcision of the heart is the removal, it's a regenerative thing. It's a sign in the seal of what's going on because circumcision was a covenant sign.
And it says it was a seal of the righteousness that Abraham had while yet uncircumcised, Romans 4 .11. The question here is, can we then say that circumcision and baptism are closely related as a covenant sign, a covenant seal?
Now, yes. Why then would it be though that only the males were circumcised, not females? Because there is a technical way to circumcise females. So why do we include females and males now in circumcision?
And the best answer I have about that is that it's because the circumcision, including the blood, has been fulfilled in Christ and that blood symbol is no longer necessary. And the covenant sign for the church, which is what circumcision ultimately was pointing ahead to, circumcision of the heart, and the true church, that it's the entrance sign for that.
And since it's the gospel that it's talking about, then the case could be made that infants can be baptized because it's still the Abrahamic covenant, which is why we could say whole households were being baptized.
This is not proof for infant baptism. And I will tell you, there is not a single verse that says an infant was baptized. But let me ask you this question. And then we'll get to some other verses, we'll talk about other scripture.
Probably go another half hour, then you guys are probably worn out. Two Jews are walking along the road. And once on a certain day of the week, they go into town for whatever reason, and they've been doing this for years.
And they have a weekly meeting and they, how's your family? How's your family? How's this? How's the cows? How's the cattle? How's the whatever, not cows. How's the whatever? How's the, you know, whatever.
Your plants, okay. And, oh, it's been great. Thank you for asking. And how's your son so-and-so? And how's that going? And is so-and-so over that illness? Oh yeah, thank you. All right. One of them has been listening to Paul the apostle.
And now he's a convert. They're walking along the road. And the convert says to the, the guy who's still not a convert says, they're both Jews. He says, you know, now I understand a lot more about the coming Messiah and the covenant of God.
And now I understand that since Jesus is here, the Messiah, now I understand we don't include our children in God's covenant faithfulness to his people anymore. You'd be going, what? What are you talking about?
We are so far removed from the culture of the time that for us, we'd think, of course you don't baptize infants because it's not described in scripture. If they were doing it in the scripture and it was a problem, it would have been corrected.
And the fact is the early church was doing it all the time. And it's well-recorded. Much stronger family unit. Yep. It was recorded. So there was no need to correct it because it was being done, but whole households were being baptized.
And so, but it does say, however, to come back to their side, they all believed in Acts 16, 30 through 31. They all believed. Well, that doesn't really imply infants. So I'm just trying to be fair. This isn't solid.
I'm just giving you stuff to think about. All right. What about Lydia? She was baptized. And her whole household was baptized. Let's go to, that's Acts 16. So Acts 16, 14. Okay. A woman named Lydia from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple fabrics, the worship of God was listening and the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken of by Paul.
And when she and her household had been baptized, she urged us saying, if you have judged men to be faithful in the Lord, blah, blah, blah. It happened that we were going to a place of the prayer of slave girl, have a gate.
So it doesn't say that the household believed. The implication would be that from Acts 16 later, that it seems to be that they would seem to be, but we could make the case whole household had been baptized but then was she the federal head?
It's the male who's a federal head, not her. But does it mean that the husband was gone? We just get into these conjectures we don't have answers to. But the whole household was baptized. If this was happening in Israel, whole households were getting baptized, it's reasonable to say that children were included.
But there's no proof of this. That's why I'm not gonna die on this hill. What I'm trying to do is stretch people's imaginations and understanding so that when someone says, I affirm covenant infant baptism, but not for salvation, you go, okay, I can see why you would.
I don't agree, but I can see why you would. You're not such an idiot like I thought you were. There's reasons for it. That's what I wanna, that's my goal to accomplish. Okay, let's have some fun. John chapter three, John chapter three, verse three.
Jesus answered to him, Nicodemus, truly, truly I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus said, how can a man be born when he's old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?
Jesus said, or answered, truly, truly I say to you, unless one is born of water and the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit.
Now, my position on this is not the dominantly held position, the commentators and stuff like that, even within the reformed camp. My position is that the water refers to the mother's womb. That's my position.
And if you don't agree, that's fine. I guess that's not a problem. And most of the commentaries don't agree with me. Some have said, done with this, and they've got counter arguments. I'm not satisfied with those kind of arguments.
Let me just open this up a little bit, why I believe this. And again, if you don't agree, that's okay. It's not a big deal. It may or may not be depending on what you attach to it. He says in verse three, you'll be born again.
Nicodemus says, enter the mother's womb again. Jesus says in verse five, that which is born of the water is water and spirit is spirit. That's born of the flesh, verse six, flesh is flesh and spirit is spirit.
He seems to be equating spirit, I mean, the flesh and water. That's why I affirm that position. To me, that makes sense. Some will say, and that's just my opinion, okay? Some will say, well, what this means is it's baptism.
You've gotta be baptized to be saved. Let's talk about that. So if that's baptism that needs to be saved, what baptism is it? What baptism? Is it the baptism of John or the baptism of the Trinitarian formula later on after the crucifixion?
Because the only baptism, if it was water baptism was meant here, the only baptism was that of John the Baptist. And that doesn't fit that that would be the means by which you've gotta be saved. You gotta be born of water, which is John's baptism because that's what it would have been at that time, unless Jesus was secretly holding in his mind the future baptism of the Trinitarian formula later on.
That's what you gotta know about. What do you gotta know about that? Because if he goes to Ezekiel 36, it says that, I talked about the sprinkling, right? And let's see, remember what verse was that? I got so much stuff I gotta memorize.
Ezekiel 36. Anyway, let's see if I can find it quickly. Yeah, 36, 25 through 27. This is why some people reference this. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you and you'll be clean. I'll cleanse you from all your filthiness, from all your idols.
Moreover, I will give you a new heart, put a new spirit within you. I'll remove your heart of stone from the flesh, give you a heart of flesh. I'll put my spirit within you and cause you to walk in my statues and you'll be careful to observe my ordinances.
They say, see the water's there. I don't go, but it's sprinkling. Was John the Baptist sprinkling? If he's baptizing people all the time and whole groups of people, they said hordes of people are going out, how is he baptizing them?
By immersion? He's gonna wear them out.
So What's the question I have on that? Someone like a John that says that he, what do you mean by, when he said that he brought Jesus up out of the water? Up out of the water.
Yeah, well, let's go to that. We're always gonna look at the verse. I know the answer, but I'm asking it because I have other people that are watching. Okay, out of the water. Let's see if we can find the verse.
When they came up out of the water, that's Acts 8, 39. We did the Ethiopian eunuch. Mark 1, 10, immediately coming up out of the water, he saw heavens opening. Okay, it just says coming up out of the water.
They could be down in the water up to their hips. It does not say that they were immersed underneath the surface of the water, and that's when they came up. It does not say that. People have got to stop saying, well, baptism just means that.
Normally when I teach this, I'll jump to a side and I'll go, two men are in the field. One is taken, one is left. That's the rapture, right? Yes, it's the rapture. No, it's not. Read the context. It's the wicked who are taken.
And people get blown away when they read the context. Every time they go, you're right. Yeah, it's one of those lights on. Yeah, and I'll say, the point I'm trying to make is real simple. You assume too many things and read into the text and don't even think that you're doing it.
What do you mean? Baptism always means immersion, and I am showing you repeatedly that's not necessarily the case. Repeatedly.
I've had people say, when I'm in a strangle, they'll call me crazy with that, and they'll say, it says right there, coming up over water. You're crazy. It's immersion. And I said, well, you can be up in your water, up in your ankles, and that's coming up out of the water.
No, no, no. Who's telling you this? It's immersion.
And you have to say to them, show me where it says it was immersed. And what they're doing is repeating what they've been told over and over and over again. They're not thinking. Now, one of the things I love that people tell me is, besides you are very annoying, is
And you're humble. And I'm humble about it. That's right. And they'll say, you make me think. That's what I wanna hear.
I challenge people. Make them think. And this is one of the reasons I feel people need to study the Bible without commentaries. Without commentaries. Yeah. Right. You've heard me preach that so many times.
Yeah. It'll cripple. I feel like it stifles the Holy Spirit. That's right. Because you have a question, you go to whoever that commentator is. That's right. You believe whatever they say. You believe their answer and the Holy Spirit doesn't say so in the matter.
You need to wrestle with it. You need to have a journal. Yep. Just struggle with the word.
Struggle with the word. These things are revealed. I've done exactly that. I mean, I have like a pretty massive library with that, but I haven't touched any of that because I wanna get a firm foundation.
Good. Before I struggle with it. I don't wanna have any other filters, you know, going on. Yep.
So people on the radio sometimes will call me up and they'll say, well, Matt, what do you study? To get to learn all this stuff. I go, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans. Yeah. And that's what I do.
And I do this by far the most. I mean, what have we done? Scripture, scripture, scripture, scripture, scripture.
That's the idea. That's where George Mueller's rock with the Lord took off. Yeah, George Mueller. The Holy Spirit told him to put away his commentaries, read the Bible.
And he said, that's when everything went. Yep. If you just believe what you're told, that's a problem. And certainly you do not want to trust a guy named Slick. You gotta make sure that you are studying this stuff out.
All right, now. So John 3, you must be born again, doesn't make sense to say that it's a Trinitarian baptism because it hasn't been instituted yet. If it was a water baptism that he was speaking of that needed to be in the case, then it would have to be the baptism of John, but that's not in the case anymore.
Well, then someone would have to say, well, that was replaced by that. Well, then that doesn't make sense because that meant that Jesus was not telling him what really had to be the case, a future baptism.
Furthermore, it certainly seems to be the case that the water is that of the womb. The baptismal regenerationists, they're gonna have to refuse that. They'd say, can't be. But Jesus in verses five and six says, that was born of the, what was it?
Let me get back to it. Okay, let's go back over here. John three, whoops, John three, three. He says, verse five, and this one is born of water and the spirit. And then in verse six, the flesh and the spirit.
That's why I affirm what I do. And I'm gonna tell you again and yet again, that's not the majority position held. If they wanna say it has to do with the spirit, that's fine. And I have no problem with that, that the water represents the Holy Spirit, that's fine.
I just don't see it as being baptism. All right, now, so we've gone to Romans six about being baptized into Christ. We've gone to John three. We've already done Acts 2 .38. We've referenced Acts 2 .38.
Repent, each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins. And for the forgiveness of sins can't mean in order to get that, because in Mark, Luke 3 .3. No, yep, I got these verses in my head.
Baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. Repentance doesn't give you forgiveness of sins. So the phrase for the forgiveness of sins can't mean that you obtain it by that, okay? But anyway, so now let's go to a more famous verse.
Let's get an easier one to deal with. Acts 22 .16. And then we'll go to 1 Peter 3 .21. No, after this, we'll go to Galatians 3 .27. And then we'll go to 1 Peter 3 .21. And then we can just take questions.
Acts 22 .16, verse 15, you'll be a witness for him to all men who have been heard, that have seen and heard. Now, why do you delay? Get up and be baptized and wash away your sins calling on his name. And what they're gonna say is baptism means the washing of the sins away.
But the Bible says that the blood of Christ is what cleanses us of our sins. So the washing, it has to refer to the issue of calling on his name. Wash away your sins, calling on his name. And I got a quote here from a Greek scholar about it someplace.
Let's see if I can go to 22 .16, find it. Nope, not 15, 16. Oh, you slimeball. I talk about computers. So in Hebrews 9 .14, the blood of Christ who through the eternal spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscious from dead works.
Romans 5 .9, having now been justified by his blood. Ephesians 1 .7, redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses. The blood of Christ forgives us of our sins. 1 John 1, 7 through 8.
So, and there's other questions, we won't get into all, we don't have time. I won't get into all this stuff, there's a lot there. Because Paul said in Acts 16 .30, 31, what must you do to be saved? He says, believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
If baptism is necessary, he would have said that, that it was necessary, you had to be baptized, but he did not. He specifically did that. In fact, if you go to 1 Corinthians 1 .17, I think it is, Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel.
Not in cleverness of speech, that the cross would not be made void. Cleverness of speech is what the people do who believe you have to add a ceremony to salvation.
Yeah. Yes. In Acts 22 .16, where it says, now, why do you, do I get up and be baptized and wash away your sins? To me, it sounds like he's saying be baptized and repent.
And wash away your sins, 22 .16. Yeah. And wash away. Get baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name. Yep. In fact, it reminds me, get back to that quote. I thought I had it. I did. I read it today.
Where's another way of translating it. Literal translation would reveal that there are two commands in the strict sense, which is associated with a participle. Participle is an I-N-G word, walking, talking, eating.
The command be baptized is connected with, that's where the word's get up. Which are one word in Greek and a participle. While the command wash away your sins is connected with a participle calling on his name.
Thus baptism does not cleanse from sin, but calling on the Lord, faith does. To summarize by a more literal rendering, having gotten up, be baptized. Having calling on the Lord, be cleansed from your sins.
And that's from Elville Walter, Evangelical Commentary in the Bible. So what I'd like to do is go into Greek scholars because there's, you know, I've had Greek, but I'm very rusty at it. And here's an expanded translation of the New Testament Greek scholar, Kenneth Wiest.
And he's a Greek scholar, books out. Puts it, having arisen, be baptized and wash away your sins having previously called upon his name. That's what he says. So people are gonna, and that's, yeah, anyway.
So there's issues there. All right, now, so we've already went to, so Paul said he didn't baptize. He thanked the Lord that he didn't baptize anybody except for this person that, you know, God, I thank God that, 1 Corinthians 1 .14.
I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius so that no one would say they're baptized in my name. Now I baptize also the household of Stephanas. Beyond that, I do not know whether I baptize any other for Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel.
And 1 Corinthians 15 .1 -4 says the gospel is a thing by which you're saved. And you gotta believe the gospel. So, all right, now let's go to Galatians 3 .27. Last one there is a non-sacerdotalist. That's a good thing.
Once I was preaching in a church, literally preaching from the pulpit. I'd been there a couple, three, four times. And I said, okay, turn in your Bibles. This is halfway through the sermon. I said, okay, turn in your verses.
And I hear the pages. And I go, last one, there's a Mormon. And they looked up at me and they're confused. I said, that's right, it was a joke. It's okay to say that. And they kind of smiled, then they started going like that.
I remember that. Okay, verse 3 .27. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourself with Christ. Now, the people are gonna say you're baptized into Christ. That means that when you're baptized, that's when you were clothed with Christ.
And that's when you became a Christian. That's when you were saved. It doesn't say any of that there. But the context is very important. Look at verse 24. Therefore, the law has become a tutor to lead us to Christ so that we may be justified by faith.
Why does it say it's a tutor? And then why is it saying, verse 27, clothed? Because in that culture, in the Roman Empire, remember he's writing to the Galatians, okay? The Roman Empire, slavery was there, different kinds of slavery.
I could teach on slavery sometime. That's an interesting topic. So what they did was they had various slaves. And a lot of times the slaves had very high positions. They could go to battle. They could be redeemed in a sense of bought, but they could also buy themselves out.
They would pierce their ears on the doors of the post in order, called a douloi, a slave. And that meant they were choosing to stay with their master. Some of them were tutors. Some of them were, they were hired as slaves and grafted into the family as slaves.
And you worked for this wage, but you're really kind of a slave. They called it a slave. We have lots of different ideas about it, but they only had this one big word for all this concept. So a tutor would take the master's children, say a son, and tutor him for years and years and years.
He was trusted to do this. That's how much, that's how valuable he was and trusted he was. When that son was ready, when he graduated, he was given a robe to put on. What is, what do they do in graduation ceremonies?
You put a robe on. It comes back with this ancient thing. So verse 24, the law has become a tutor to lead you to Christ so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor, but for all the sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all are, okay?
For all of you who are baptized into Christ have clothed yourself with Christ. Now you go, oh, he's not talking about baptismal regeneration. He's alluding to the idea that the law is a tutor and it's clothed, once you graduate from the law into faith in Christ, you're clothed with Christ.
And baptism is that place of the symbol of the clothing of Christ because it's the identification of that you've made it. You've matured. You understand who the Messiah is. You understand what the requirements of the law are.
Now you have to go with Christ. You're now, you're clothed with Christ. Now we get it. It's not about salvation regeneration, right? Okay, let's go to the last verse. We'll look at tonight, unless I forgot something and I remember it, and then I lie to you all.
First Peter 3, 21. People say, but Matt, baptism saves you. Where does it say that in the Bible? And they will say, well, first Peter 3, 21. Okay, quote it to me. Baptism now saves you. I said, well, how about this?
I'll ask you another question. Misquote it for me. Baptism now saves you, okay? Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you. Not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Now, in Greek, the word corresponding to that is the Greek word antitupon, antitupon, an antitype, a representation, a type, typology. Corresponding to that, what's the antecedent of the word that? What's the antecedent of corresponding to that?
What came before? Well, let's read. Let's go two verses before. Jesus, in which also he went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is eight persons, were brought safely through the water.
Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you. What saved Noah? The ark. It wasn't the water that saved him. Some will say, well, Matt, you don't understand. It's the water that washed away the bad people.
Just says the water washes away your sin. I said, that's not what it says. It says that the baptism saves you. And it's because it says that they entered the ark, eight persons. Now, incidentally, I gotta do the trivia thing.
What day of the week was an infant circumcised? I mean, how old was he? Eight days. Eight days. What day, how many days was it after? What day of the week was Jesus resurrected on? Eighth day. Seven plus one.
The first day of the week. And I'm playing with the words there. Okay, I got that from Chuck Missler. I love that. Now in Greek, gematria, so alphabeta, gamma, delta, epsilon, zeta, one, two, three, four, five.
It says the letters are also the numbers. When you write a word in Greek, you get a number. Jesus Christos, it's eight, eight, eight. Eight people brought through Noah's ark. Eight's called a number of new beginnings.
When you take the word eight and you do a search for it, you'll find out that it's used like that. And then I guess some other mathematical things we'll get into that, about eight. But eight persons were brought safely through the water.
Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you. The ark, how many doors did the ark have? One. Jesus is called the door. Who shut the door of the ark? God. Who opened the door of the ark? God. Jesus said, what God shuts, no man can open.
What God opens, no man can shut, the door. So they entered into the ark by faith. Now some will say, yes, man, but you're missing the whole point. The faith didn't save them. They had to do something and get in the ark.
Yeah, that's true. They had to get in the ark. If they didn't, then they would have died. That's right, that's true. But this is not a correspondence of justification by faith. It has to do with faith in God who commanded them to go do something so they wouldn't be killed by water.
But the issue of justification by faith, which is Romans 3 .28, we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. Romans 4 .5, to the one who does not work, but believes in him who justifies the ungodly.
His faith is credited as righteousness. There's no mention of anything there about baptism or certainly doesn't do that. And having therefore been justified by faith and Galatians 2 .16, 2 .21 talks about this.
So corresponding to that, baptism now saves you. Not the removal of dirt from the flesh, not the water on the body, because the water was a means of cleansing. That's how they would do that. And it was a form of baptism.
You'd dip your hands in, you'd wash, but an appeal, which is a faith thing for a good conscience. What baptism is being spoken of here? Is it a water baptism? Well, maybe, because a baptism is being spoken of in context of the water of the flood.
Well, that's one case. But then we also know that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is not by water, but it's by a pouring. Okay, it could be the case. You know, I'm not gonna stretch things too far, but I'm just saying, what is the baptism that is here?
If we're gonna say baptism must be water immersion, we can't make that case. You could, I mean, you can't prove the case. You could suggest it and give arguments, but I could also do it by sprinkling, pouring, and immersion.
So just as Jesus was buried, but not under the ground, he wasn't immersed in the ground, but went into a hole in the side and was sealed off. They too went into the ark in the side and a single door, and it's a type of death, you could say, in that ark.
You could say that. Am I stretching it? Maybe a little, maybe not, you know, but there's an interesting parallel there. And the one door, and then they came out. You could say the ark is a type of representation of the death.
I've never really heard that before, but I'm just playing with words and playing with stuff. We gotta be careful how far we go, okay? But corresponding to that, baptism now saves you. My opinion is that the that refers to the ark.
Most of the commentators I've read say that it refers to the water. I don't buy it. They say because the antecedent usually is that with the noun closest in proximity, grammatically. And Spiros Zodiates, who's a great scholar in Greek, says now it's gotta refer to the water, I mean, to the ark, because the ark is what saved them, period.
And that's what I agree. I mean, it's the ark is what saved them. So you can't prove out of this verse that baptism is necessary for salvation. So let me kind of summarize this, because there's a lot we've been going through.
A lot, huh? You got all this, you got it all down, right?
I'm gonna have to listen to it like 20 times. Like 20 times?
Okay, baby. You'll probably listen to it probably three times. I'm just, I'm just You're gonna send a note to them? Yeah, for five bucks each, maybe, you know. For the notes, yeah, I can send them to you guys.
They're not finished, and you can see, you know, you go all this, you know. But so baptism seems to replace circumcision as the covenant sign of entering into the community of Christ as a public declaration.
It's not the sign of the new covenant because that is wine, the body and the blood. But as circumcision did not save anybody, neither does baptism. Baptism can, I can show from the Greek words. In Hebrews 9, it's in context of sprinkling.
In John 3, we could connect it with sprinkling. You know, you must be born again. Because if it's talking about Exodus, as a lot of people do, Ezekiel 26, 25, 36, 25, that's talking about sprinkling. We get the interesting context of the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts chapter eight, reading Isaiah 53.
And that's just right after the bit about God sprinkling the nations. It doesn't prove anything, but there you go. And then being baptized into Christ, just as people were baptized into Moses in 1 Corinthians 10, one through two, they're baptized into Moses, but on dry land.
So that baptism there is proof that the baptism into does not mean or necessitate water even, but identification. But some people might say, well, they were under the water to the sides. Well, then you admit they didn't get wet, did they?
It wasn't applied to them, right? So then we have the issue of the households being baptized. That's interesting. Doesn't prove anything, but it's just interesting. We have the issue of Acts 2, 38. Repent, each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
For the remission of sins, well, remember, and I think it was Luke 3, 3, that you got baptized for repentance for the remission of your sins, but that didn't bring the remission of sins. So that phrase can't mean that that's what gets you remission of sins, particularly since you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, it's talking about charismatic gifts.
That's what the context is. And the order in Acts 2, 38 is baptism and gifts, but in Acts 10, 44 through 48, the order is gifts and baptism. And Galatians 3, 27, which we went over, we actually went to Acts 22, 16 next, wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
I haven't even got into the phraseology of calling on the name of the Lord, what that means, because that's a whole other study. And then 1 Peter 3, 21, we just covered, oh, we did Galatians 3, 27, but the context has to do with a tutor and being clothed.
That's the whole thing. It's not talking about putting on Christ. We went to Romans chapter six, verses two through eight, roughly, and you've been baptized into Christ, you've been baptized into his death, Romans 6, 4, but that can't be the place where you died because in verse six, it says you're crucified with him, in verse eight, it says you died with him.
So the baptism isn't that place of death and cleansing, it is the place on the cross, which works with Colossians 2, 14, that he canceled the certificate of debt on the cross, another tangent we can get into, then let's get to 1 Peter 3, 21, which we just completed.
And 1 Peter 3, 21 talks about the issue of corresponding to that, baptism now saves you. I believe it's the ark. There are probably some good scholars who'd wanna agree with me, but that's just my position.
And because of what I've raised and there you go on baptism, great conclusion. Okay, so any questions? Wait a minute, where's my phone? Because if I had my phone, then Charlie could give me, what I'm gonna do is to hold on, cause I know people have questions, I'm gonna get into the room, Charlie.
And sorry, hold on one sec. And then that way I can see questions if anybody has them by getting into there, I should be able to do that. And then we can, I'm clicking off how many tabs open up with my setup.
There we go. Yeah, I have a lot of stuff going on, don't I? Let's see, okay. And I'm gonna enter the studio, entering. This is exciting, isn't it? That's right. I'm entering right now. And then match the Bible study, there I am.
And just put this as Matt Slick and then enter. And there we go, I'm muted. Okay, so now I can see questions, if anybody has questions. Okay, you guys got any questions?
I have one. So for the people that believe that it has to be by immersion, how do they explain the thief on the cross?
Thief on the cross, okay. They say that when people who say that baptism is necessary for salvation and the thief on the cross is saved, they'll say that he died under the, shoot, two options, two main ones.
He died under, well, three, it's an exception. If they say it's an exception, then that means they admit that it's not necessary.
Well, if there's one exception, then there's two, three, four, five.
Yeah, there's one that could be more exceptions, right? So the other thing is, well, he must've been baptized. He must've been baptized some other time. It doesn't say so. So you completely add it into the text to make it say what you want it to say at this point.
And the other thing is they'll say, well, he died under the old covenant. It didn't need to be baptized because a baptism is for the new covenant. It's one of the arguments, except that Jesus died first.
I have the notes on that, and that does all the stuff. He died first, and according to Hebrews 9, 15 through 17, the new covenant is instituted with the death of Christ. So he died under the new covenant, so there's no record of him being baptized?
That's a very good question. So therefore, he was justified by faith without baptism. And here's a question I asked somebody recently, he's probably watching. People die on their deathbeds in hospitals, and I used to work at a hospital as a runner and also registering patients in emergency.
And I remember, I'd take bodies to here and there, move this patient there and there. I remember going into a room once, I'll never forget him. I don't know how old he was, but he was old and wrinkled.
And he had tubes, and he was gaunt, and he was afraid. And he looked into my eyes, and I saw fear. He was dying, there wasn't much left of him. I'm not mocking, I'm not teasing, it just stuck with me.
I just remember his eyes looking at me. I wanted so much to just go hold his hand, but I'm not supposed to do that, I could get in trouble. There's other people that do this and that, you gotta do this, you gotta help that patient.
And I still feel bad about it. Okay, I talked to the chaplain of that hospital, who goes to my church that I went to. Hey, do people receive Christ in a deathbed? Oh, yes, yes. Now that man, as an example, couldn't be moved, hardly.
Maybe he could, maybe he couldn't. I remember one of our women, who was also a runner, said that there was a woman, an elderly woman, she was taking on a gurney across the carpet, and where the doors would close, there was this little ridge with a metal, and they tried to make them smooth.
And she pushed her over that, and skin fell off of her. She's so frail. The people who get into the elderly condition can be in some pretty disastrous situations. So I've asked, do people receive Christ?
Yeah, so I was asking this baptismal generationist guy. God grants them to have faith, Philippians 1 .29. If they're believing in Jesus Christ, it's because God granted it to them. But if they don't have the ability to get baptized, that means they go to hell.
Then why would God grant them faith if they're gonna go to hell? It makes no sense.
It makes no sense at all. I've always used the analogy of someone who's a horrific sinner, is stationed at the North Pole, in a military station, and he's all by himself, he's lost, he's died, and he listens to a gospel presentation on the radio.
On the radio. To Christ, same thing. How's he gonna be baptized? Can't. Everything's frozen, right?
Yeah. Everything's frozen. He's a baptizer. Yeah. Yeah, what are you gonna do? Yeah, so this baptismal regeneration stuff is ridiculous. You had a question? No, that was my only question. Oh, that was your question?
All right, let's get to questions inside the chat room. And Charlie, I guess you can put them up there like that. Question from Jason Roloni, asked Slick this one time, why was God pleased when Jesus was baptized?
No one? I'm not exactly sure I understand what the question is. This is, oh, but he did, God said, this is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased, because, probably because he had never sinned, 1 Peter 2 .22, and he was doing all that was necessary before God, and God was, the Father was just pleased with what he was and how he was.
Cody Robbins says, hey, that's Chad Prigmore. Hey, Cody. Hey, Cody, he says. Can you hear when Chad's talking, everybody in the room? Can you tell me about the verse in Ephesians 4 .5, one Lord, one faith, one baptism?
Yes, what it means is there's one faith, one Lord, one baptism. That's what it is. And so what is the one baptism? We're baptized into Christ by the Spirit. That's the important one. We can be baptized into the church by water.
Is that what he's talking about? And to be honest, I don't know which one it is. And it's there on purpose, that's not clarified. And so I don't know, to be honest, I'm just telling you, I was playing with you, but that's it.
Okay, were the disciples baptized before Christ was crucified? That's a good question. They probably were, having been with John the Baptist, they probably were baptized by John the Baptist, but it doesn't say.
And were they actually born again before Christ died on the cross or were they just Christ chosen before that time? That's a good question. Not sure how to answer that one. But it would certainly appear that they were truly believers at that time.
And just as people in the Old Testament were justified by faith, because if you go to Romans 4 .3, actually, let's see if we can do this from memory. Romans 4 .1, what then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, according to the flesh, is found?
For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God, verse three. For Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness. So Romans 4 .3 says that he believed God and the belief is what credited to him as righteousness.
So I would say that the same thing applied to the disciples, that they're credited with righteousness at that point in that time. Okay? All right, let's see. Oh, there it is. Yeah, right there. That's right, Charlie's under my name, putting stuff into my name, Faker.
We have these different accounts. He has all my passwords and stuff. Charlie's a great guy. He's the guy who got me started apologetics 41 years ago. Okay, any other questions? That way you get to blame, that's right.
Okay, let me ask you guys in the room, what'd you think of the study? And what I'm asking is, did you learn anything new tonight? Did you really get shaken up in a couple of ideas? You're really forced to think, new light, that kind of stuff, that's what I wanna know about.
You guys can answer me that too here too. I'm just curious. This was good stuff. This is probably a lot more than you, you didn't expect to get this much and to have this much told about baptism. And there's more.
Why don't they talk more about it? Yeah, exactly. Why don't they preach on it more? Yeah. Because they, why do they preach on it more? Maybe because they just say baptism is emergent, let's go away. I don't know.
No, I don't wanna. I wanna teach. Pushed. I wanna teach like this. I wish some pastor in a church would say, Matt, you be the teaching pastor. You just come in and teach. That's what I, that'd be great.
I'd say, yeah, but you'll lose people. Okay. I found it helpful. Andrew Gesundheit Chikola. That's what I call him. Chikola. Chikola Gesundheit. Andrew, he's in Wales. Laura Anderson. I heard something.
Yeah. You okay? Nick? We all heard a female voice. It was her voice. It was? Okay. Different modes of baptism was surprising. Protestant Warrior says, good, I'm glad. Enjoyed it very much. Some things reaffirmed.
Humbled Clay. Charlie Spine, I think it was very informative. And Debbie wants to go through it later at a study pace, looking at the links. Good. Martial Arts Shima. No, Mekva was not. Okay. Great study.
I want to watch this again. Tonight was great because Apologetics Live wasn't on. First time I've caught it from the beginning. Good. That's because Andrew Rappaport's a complete loser. I always assumed Christ was immersed in baptism.
So it's interesting to know he may not have been. See, I like that. He may not have been, but he may have been. That's the, I like that. That's good. You are a great, okay. I learned a lot over the nine years I've followed you.
Good. Randall Dobbins. Good. Oh, before I forget this. Next week, we've got to start the Bible study an half hour later, because I got to be on ABN Sat TV, hosting some stuff for Islam stuff. So I got to do a host.
Next week only, or for longer? Just next week. Just the one week. Oh yeah, that's fine. And then the week after that, I may or may not be here. So we're going to go or not or what. So we'll figure it out.
Okay. Great. Okay. Wynne Byrne from Canada. ABN Sat are good guys indeed. That's right. ABN Sat, that's right. Does anybody got any questions? Or you're just like, wow, I had no idea. Like that kind of thing.
This is interesting. How does, I was thinking of growing up in the church. The strong correlation made, I can't think of the word. If you'll confess me before men, I'll, okay. Almost 10, nine or 10. The correlation between that and the baptismal act of that's your, you're doing that very thing.
Well, if they say that,.
Well, it reminds me of church fathers, but I'm bringing it up again. I'm not sure what the correlation they would be saying. Because you got to confess Lord. Sometimes they confess it after baptism. And some people would associate it together.
I think referring to it being an after the fact event, but I'm speaking now as opposed to infant baptism because infants aren't making that proclamation of.
Right, it's normally happening. Camera went off. The idea of, you got to confess and you need to. Infants are a wholly different topic altogether. And that goes into some tangents about some other things, but yeah.
Yeah, because then you get into double baptism. Yeah. Then should you be baptized again? That's another topic.
I could talk about that if you guys want. This is what someone says. Can a woman teach from the pulpit in any sense? Yeah, of course. This is how you take the mustard, the mayonnaise, make a sandwich.
For example, you said, yeah, you can hit me. You can hit me. What I normally do at this point is I hand my hand, I go ahead and listen to my wife, so she can slap my hand and just punish me for my male chauvinism, which I love doing, but she's so having fun.
In any sense, yeah. If I were a pastor of a church, would I let a woman get up into the pulpit on a Sunday morning and teach something? Depends. It would not be the exposition of scripture in an authoritative context, but if it was, folks, this is, let me tell you how we built this house for that family.
Let me tell you how we got the funds together for whatever. That's a teaching thing. And where'd it go again? And so, okay. Matt, can you expand upon the issues of immersion cleansing, such as the mitzvah, which I don't know what you mean by mitzvah in the Old Testament.
So, can you expand upon the issue of immersion cleansing? So I don't know what that means. Immersion cleansing with a mitzvah. Sorry. Let's see. He says, some very helpful references to learn about women in the ministry.
Oh yeah, current women in ministry. This one says, some very helpful. Let's go this one. Some very helpful. Okay, let's go this one. Because it goes into three different times. Matt, can you expand on the issue of immersion mitzvah?
That's okay. That's all I got. Is it just my internet? Or is video a little choppy? It might be a little choppy. Because it went down just for a second. It appears watching the internet on the thing. But we have pretty good internet here.
So, we're supposed to all be on it at the same time and everything. And as you guys have seen my computer, one guy said, I could launch the shuttle, space shuttle from that thing. Yes. My computer is awesome.
Yeah, we had a guy who contributed it to CARM and that's why. So, we went to a place and he goes, I wanna buy you a better computer because I'm having troubles and we needed a replacement and some stuff and did some stuff to it.
At any rate, I said, it's working. He goes, no, let's do it this way. And I said, okay, we went to this place and I said, okay, well, I need to know the price range. And he gave me a price range. I go, okay, that's very good.
He said, just wanna help you out. And so, we get to this place and this guy who knows me, Christian guy in computers, he goes, well, what do you need it for? This, this, that. He goes, well, if you do it this way and if you do it that way, if you do it this way, the price kept going up.
I go, no, we can't do that. And he goes, yeah, you can. But this, that's too much. And this is what happened. It kept going up. I should have gone for even more. You know, five CPUs with three, you know, graphics cards in there.
And I want a curved holographic monitor, you know, that, and I want the glasses that I could just look at and there's, there's, there's sensors there. So when I go like this, it stays there, but it's only right here.
And I could put on the, the Oculus stuff. Actually, you can do it. You could, they have the Oculus stuff where you can actually, all your computer stuff is right there. You just type and you don't see anything.
I think that was good, right? Well, that's my next level of geekdom I need to get into. The immersions they did in the Old Testament for ceremonial cleansing. Oh, that's what that means. I don't have the research on that handy on those immersions.
So there was, I know there was some were immersed. I believe some were immersed, but I'm not sure, but I know that they were anointed and sprinkled and poured upon. Do you guys think it was interesting, the part about the spirit being poured upon and that's the baptism that was being spoken of and it's in connection with the baptism of John.
I thought that was interesting. That doesn't prove anything, but it's like, ah. I like the visual of it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, good. So remember next week, we'll start a half hour later, which means, you know, from what we did, normally did, and I'll let people know.
Put you in a part one for you. Okay. Very helpful. Choppy in and out here. Okay. Very helpful. Good. You know what I could do, if people are really interested, just more work for me, I could take my information and put it on a webpage on CARM, and you guys could have this, we can take this video and embed it in there.
Kind of, I think that might be a good idea. What do you think? Do you guys like that? Because for $19 .95, I can help you find that URL. Not a problem. It's probably a good idea. It'll take me a few hours to do that kind of work.
Maybe not. Maybe so. I don't know. We'll find out. Okay? Cool. Yeah. Good. All right. Officially done. And we'll hang here for a little bit and just see what happens. Okay. Need a quarter. That's right.
All right. Slick used CARS in Bible study. Matt may be using up some of his bandwidth since he joined on an additional computer. That could be it. Yeah. Matt may be using some, God bless Laura. Okay. All right.
Good stuff though. I love this stuff. And there's some, a little bit more, I could go over more technical stuff, but this is good. So did I convince anybody of infant baptism or just made you think? That's good enough.
Made you think, that's all. That's what makes me happy. If you still, how many people go, you made me think, I see it, but I still don't agree. Okay.
That's all right. I want to study the state of Mormon with that lesson first. I've heard of it. Yeah. Yeah. It's, yeah. I think I'm convinced, but I think back to my own baptism at 18 years old and how significant it was for me.
Yeah. Yeah. And so. So. I can see the value in that. Absolutely. I can't support that it needs to be that way biblically, that you have to be an adult or you have to be whatever. All right.
Yeah, nothing in scripture says you must be of a certain age or a certain maturity or a certain level in order to be baptized. Now they'll say repent and be baptized, believe and be baptized, but it doesn't say that's the only condition.
It says you must do this. He's talking to adults. But yeah. Why should we get baptized? Good. God bless. Good night. All good. Good. All right. Okay. Well then I'm gonna shut it down then. Okay guys. Long.
That was two hours. A lot of stuff. There's a lot of stuff. I know. Try not to make it too much, but that's what it is. I wanted to do it all in one night. That way people can have one study. They can go through it.
Okay everybody. So God bless. And you gotta close the door. And what am I? I could go ahead and end the live streams. All right. Okay. We'll talk to you. What'd you say, Charlie? I said I can end the live streams now for the broadcast.
All right. Go ahead. I can too from here. All right. God bless buddy. You too. Okay. Yeah. You can do it right now.