A Response to Mujtahid2006, Part 4 (Conclusion)

John 14 in Context and the Meaning of “the Father Is Greater Than I”

Now in concluding the video You brought up the issue of John 14 28 and I had said in my video that Muslims are guilty of taking John 14 28 out of context where Jesus said the Father is greater than I am and This is the case I'm sorry, but but Muslims I've yet to see maybe you can provide a meaningful discussion of All of John 14 and all the things that Jesus says there that no result could ever say.

No result says believe in me. You've seen me. You've seen the father. I and the father will dwell in you through the presence of the Holy Spirit. I mean, these are all things that no mere prophet could ever say without committing blasphemy and This is this is the same book.

That's going to be presenting Jesus talking about how before the world was he had the glory of the Father and all the rest of these things and His point in what he's saying in John 14 28 is since I'm going back to the father if you love me you rejoiced.

Why. Because I'm going back to a greater position. The father is greater than I am He's talking about as now he is in the position of humiliation. He's taken on that human flesh. He is walking the dusty roads of Galilee.

He is going to ascend back into the presence of the father. What resual would speak like this? What prophet has ever spoken like this? None could because Jesus isn't just merely a Rasool and so to just take that one phrase and ignore everything it goes before and after it is taking it out of context now.

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Taking “Out of Context” Versus Taking “Out of Dogma”

Made reference to and I found it a very interesting phrase. You said that you're not taking it out of context you taking out of dogma. Well, I appreciate that phraseology. It's interesting phraseology.

In fact, I would say that it's something that would be very relevant. Say to how Muslims handle the Quran and the role the hadith normally has in the interpretation of the Quran. That allegation go both directions.

But I don't think it's true in regards to how it's dealt with by Muslims regards to John 14 28 because I have yet to see anyone Acknowledge all these statements on Jesus's part in John 14. Which must be taken into consideration before the citation of the bear phraseology.

The father is greater than I am. I would say that in the vast majority of instances the Muslim interprets those words. Not in the context of John 14 the first century but in the context of a book written in a different language 600 years later that has no direct connection to The New Testament or Old Testament as far as its author actually understanding those things.

And so these are some of the issues and again I appreciate the way in which these have been raised and I hope that my response has been understandable.

Consistent Standards for Evaluating the New Testament and the Quran

And that.

Especially that what seems to me that the Central focus the central issue that I've seen in responding to Muslims so far on YouTube is Trying to find someone who will use consistent scholarship and consistent standards apply the same Standards to the Quran that you apply to the New Testament if you're going to accept the most wild-eyed liberal skepticism.

About the text of the New Testament guess what you got to do the same thing for the Quran if you're gonna cite Bart Ehrman. Then you better listen to everything that he says first of all and recognize that he doesn't think that we can know With certainty any ancient writing at all including your Quran.

If you're going to cite this material be consistent. I think that's the only way to really start a meaningful discussion of the issues that separate Muslims and Christians. Thanks for watching.