More Jewish Arguments Against Christianity

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Andrew Rappaport. We are live, Apologetics Live here. Well, I am not in my normal location, but we're still here to answer your most challenging questions you have about God and the Bible. As I say each week, I can answer any question that you have about God and the Bible.

If you doubt that, come on in, join us, and give me your hardest question. And if I say, I don't know, just remember, that's a perfectly good answer. Drew, welcome. Nice to have you with us again. I do apologize right up front.

I am back up in Boston, and I'm in the church, so this is designed for great acoustics, so my voice is kind of echoing. I can't help that,.

But this is the best place to get Wi-Fi. I bet even you would sound good singing right now.

No, no. I never sound good singing. So I will apologize that they've changed the way they do the light, so there's only light on the left side of my face and nothing on the right. But the cross behind me looks cool lit up.

I figured out how to turn that up, so I left that one on. Apologetics Live is a show to not only do apologetics, but to teach apologetics, to show you how to do apologetics. So we answer any questions you have.

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Oh, well, here's a good one. Pastor Darren Stid says, please don't sing, Andrew. Yeah, I agree with Pastor Darren.

Not a problem. I have no intention of doing that. I care about my audience.

The Lord says, make a joyful noise. You just try to make noise and do it joyfully.

That is, until glorification, that's all it is. It's joyful for me, and it's a noise to everybody else. So now we got some feedback. We did get a comment or a review. Someone was upset a few weeks ago because they said we didn't get right to the topic right away.

So let me just clarify for folks, I'm going to have to do this every week probably, is to let you know how this show is structured. Just because we put a topic, if we do a topic like tonight, our topic is more Jewish arguments against Christianity, just because we do that doesn't mean it is the very first thing and the only thing that we're going to discuss.

This is a live show where anybody can come in asking anything, which means it may be a bit before we're going to get to the topic. So for example, tonight, our guest, who we had talked about last time, Bent Zion, I think is how to pronounce it, but he won't be coming in until the second hour.

So we may go a little bit longer, and we may not get to those arguments until later. Okay, so Facebook user, and by the way, if you want to have your name shown, go to apologeticslive .com, and we have instructions of how to share with Facebook.

But he says, is that from Israel? I'm assuming he means this, and yes, I got this in Israel. It's not a prayer cloth, but it's a scarf that I enjoy. Because Facebook user here, maybe the same, I don't know.

I want to know what you're wearing around your neck. So basically, it says in English, Israel, and then in Hebrew, Israel. And on the other side, it just is the same thing with reversed colors. So, and it has the shield of David.

Did I say something wrong? No, actually, I said it right. For folks that don't realize, this six pointed star is called the shield of David, because that is actually what would have been on his shield, which is different than what was on Solomon's shield, by the way.

I think Solomon's was a five pointed star. So, but it's just, it refers to as the star of David, but it's actually was on his shield. So, Matt Yester, we got to get Matt Yester to actually come in here, man.

That guy has got lots of good apologetics, but he says, looking sharp, Andrew. I think he's talking about you, Drew.

And he's got to be. Andrew on here.

Yeah. So, what we're going to do is, what I want to do, and if you guys have questions, just throw them in the chat and we'll deal with them. What I wanted to do until our guest comes in and we can actually engage with him, he basically had emailed, said that we totally missed the point last week of all of his arguments.

It's weird because I thought we read his argument. Yeah, we actually did. We read exactly what he typed and responded to it. So, I, you know, it's kind of hard to, you know, when you do that, but hey, so what I want to do is read some of the email that he sent.

And the purpose of doing this is, I want you guys to notice some things in some of the email to see how do you deal with people online? I mean, this is for me, a frustrating thing when we have people, you see this on social media, the first thing they want to do is attack.

The very first thing is like, if you disagree with what I believe, I'm going to jump all over that and attack you, call you all kinds of names and whatnot. I think this program and my rap report podcast has demonstrated that here, what we try to do is give people a voice to voice what they believe and interact with it.

I just recorded a podcast with someone on his book, you know, well, I guess I could say it. So, it's Pat Ebendroth and his book is Covenant Theology. Now, for those who are regulars, you know that I don't hold to covenant theology.

Why would I have someone on my program talking about a theological system I disagree with? Because he had a lot of good points. He had a lot that people can learn from. And I thought the book was really well written and really helpful for folks.

And I, not only did I have him on, but I didn't disagree with him. That isn't my show. I can do a whole show next week disagreeing with him.

Right. But that's, it's a lost art to be able to talk to someone, have a conversation and differ, but still remain brothers and in fellowship, right? Because just because we disagree on certain points doesn't mean that we can no longer associate with one another, right?

You have your camp, you stay in your camp, I'll stay in my camp. Well, no, we're all the body of Christ and we don't need to do that. Yeah. You know, it reminds me of a podcast episode that came out from Voice of Reason about how do we debate and disagree with one another?

You talking about the recent one? Because I think I've done that topic a couple of times.

Yeah. The recent one. Yeah. And, you know, listening to it, it's absolutely right. And, and I think, especially when we get on social media, oh my goodness, when we get on social media, look, if you're, if you claim to be a Christian and you utilize platforms like Twitter, I would advise you spend more time in prayer than you do on Twitter and then pray before you get on.

Twitter. Yeah. Yeah. I used to really upset a guy. So what I used to do every morning is I would post things like, and I did this every day. First thing in the morning, I'd post something like, yeah, on Facebook.

And I would say, if you have not been in, if you haven't been on your face before God or in God's book, get off of Facebook. You know, if you haven't shared the good news, stop watching Fox news today.

I would do things like that every day. And this guy would get so annoyed. And I'm like, the only reason you're upset with it would be because you're spending more time on Fox news and Facebook than you are in God's word.

And that irritates you. You know, he's like, oh no, I've been a Christian for 27 years. Okay. Well then it shouldn't bother you. Right. And, but this is a problem. Social media can be very good, but it can be a problem.

So let me, let me deal with some of his, his email. And when I do this, Drew, I'm not going to be able to see the chat. So you just let me know if there's something we should deal with. I see this from Jason real quick.

He says, civil discourse is an amazing thing when it happens with mutual respect. And that's what we want to always try to do as Christians. So, okay. So, so here's from Ben Zion. He says, Hey, thanks.

Cause I sent them the link after the show. He says, thanks for sending me the link and discussing some of my questions. To be honest, I'm very disappointed with how you dealt with my questions. I understand that you didn't have time to go through everything I sent.

The problem is you misunderstood both my, both my questions. Maybe I should have been more clear. I think the document I sent you spelled everything out more. So I went through the six page document and have a response to each one of them.

I don't know that we're going to get through all of that, but he then tries to give some more argument. He says, it seems like you have the wrong perspective on the whole discussion. The new Testament and Christians are trying to invent something new and you need to prove you need proof for that.

You have the burden of proof. Not me. Now I read this to point this out. This is something you'll commonly see. We read exactly from his emails. This is what we read from his email. And then we interacted with it.

And the response you often get is people go, no, you you're, you misunderstood. No, you got it wrong. And when, as we did in the show last week, we pointed out where he has proof. He has to prove that things like the word Alma, because he says that this is a proof that the new Testament is false because Alma is not translated virgin.

And we said, he has to prove that Alma cannot mean virgin. Then he would have an argument. But if it ever means a virgin, and we looked at some passages where it does, then it's perfectly within the realm of of doing that.

Well, when we said he had proof, what does he want to do? And this is something when you are doing apologetics, you're going to see people do when they want the burden of proof on you, not on them. And this is why one of the things I teach people is to learn how to ask good questions.

If they make a claim, you ask a question. Once you ask a question, the burden of proof is now on them to answer. Now, can you say that we did not answer the question of Isaiah's use of the Hebrew word Alma and the Greek word for virgin?

No, we answered that right now. He pointed out something that I guess I said, and I'd have to go back and re-listen. He said that I said there is no word for virgin in Hebrew, and there is. So, I do know that I tried to...

I don't remember you saying that. I might have, because I do remember explaining. I mean, Hebrew has, I forget how many words. Hebrew has far less vocabulary than Greek, and that's why a lot of.

Words have multiple meanings. Yeah, that makes sense as to why there's such a wide semantic domain for words like Alma. If there's less words, then you have to utilize those words to mean certain things depending on the context you're using it, because you only have so many words.

To work with. And so, if you have a more specific... let's give it, for instance, if, you know, down south by you, Drew, you may just have a word for snow, and it covers everything because you don't see much of it.

Where up here, we have a word for snow that is going to refer to flurries, which is a lighter snow. We're going to talk about maybe hail or something like that. And then we have blizzard. Now, in Alaska, where there's lots of snow, they have way more words, from my understanding.

They have words for whether it's a wet snow or a dry snow. A lot more description why, because they deal with it more. And the more descriptive, the more words you have for language, the more helpful it's going to be.

So, what I'm trying to do is point out, though, is that you have to be aware when you're doing apologetics of who has the burden of proof. Remember that the person who makes a claim has the burden of proof.

In this case, it was Ben Zion who made the claim that the word Alma does not mean virgin. That is a claim. I don't have to prove that it can mean virgin, because I didn't make the claim. And what you see right in this email, he's immediately jumping to trying to push the burden of proof off of him onto me so that he doesn't have to answer.

This is what people do all the time. They throw challenges at you as a Christian,.

And they want you to answer them. Yeah, it's their gotcha. You're like, here, look at these questions, answer these questions. You can't, oh, gotcha. Then you're false.

Correct. And so, you know, basically, and I'm not going to get into that whole email, that first one, because he tried to answer some of the things. And for this discussion, I want to just point out how to identify what someone does when they're talking.

And so my response to him is because he claimed that we totally missed the point. I said, then you really should come on and explain to us, because there was no other way to interpret your email. And you have the burden of proof for your claims you made.

You just prove the word Alma only means a young woman and never means a virgin, which is as your claim. So what did I do in there? Exactly what I just said. I reversed the burden of proof to where it belongs.

He made the claim. He's got the burden. And so what am I doing? I'm pointing that out to him. He's saying, I don't have any burden. You have it. I'm saying, no, no, no. You made a claim. You have the burden.

And so his response is, and this is where you end up seeing, and I sent these to Drew so he could see it, but this is where you start to see. He goes, did you not read my email? I explained clearly in great detail my argument and how obvious that Matthew deliberately misquotes the verse.

So far, you haven't responded to anything I said. If you truly are striving for eternity, engage in the argument. Your religion and eternity depend on you being able to answer these questions. If you can't, you already agree that Christianity.

Is false. Well, the fact that he says Matthew deliberately misquotes is an assertion that requires a burden of proof. And our friend Darren Stead here pointed out the very premise of the statement, Christians are the ones who are starting something new, is itself an assertion, which he bears the burden of proof.

Correct. What I'm noticing, his entire email is filled with nothing but assertions that he must prove every single one of them.

Correct. This is the thing you have to realize, folks, when you're doing apologetics, you have to recognize sometimes the person you're speaking to, in this case, a Jewish person, he's going to come on and you'll see the same things.

I'm going to tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to answer his things and I'm going to point out that he's got the burden of proof for his own claims. I'm going to point out that he's making assertions.

I'm going to point out his logical fallacies. But what you'll have to recognize is that there are times that you deal with people and they do not even see what they are doing. What they do is they sit there and accuse you of doing what they actually are doing.

Now, you see that he gets a little snarky, right? I mean, he's like he's you didn't even read my email. I was very clear. You didn't respond to anything. I didn't respond to anything. Drew, you and I did a two hour show, two hours.

Plus. Not to mention Homeboy here writes dissertations for emails. I mean, these things.

Are long. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, these are not a short sort of thing, which is fine. But we spent two hours answering and to say we didn't answer anything. Right. So so now there is a thing where when someone gets snarky, you know, there is a point where you can you can kind of get snarky back to show what they're doing.

It's it's it's healthy to kind of point that out. And I ended up doing that in this email exchange. But when he's claiming that, you know, we've we've totally missed the point that we didn't respond to anything he said.

You end up realizing that there are times when because he's claiming that we didn't read it. He's claiming he knows Matthew's heart, which scripture kind of says that judging motives is wrong. You're going to see a lot of that throughout.

And he's got to have this because his whole argument is based on this. Right. And, you know, so and before he does come in, I'm going to I'll say early in the show, I'm going to predict I'm going to ask him if he follows after a man named Rabbi Tovia Singer.

And my guess is he's going to.

Say yes. You sent me that. You told me that. And I wanted to ask you how how you assume that,.

How you arrive at that conclusion, because he's making the same arguments that that Tovia makes. See, he he he displays in this that he doesn't have a good handle of the New Testament. And most Jewish people think that Tovia knows the New Testament.

In fact, the rabbi who first told me about Tovia said that Tovia knows the New Testament better than he knows the Tanakh. But in listening to hours and hours and hours of Tovia, I could tell you that Tovia mixes up Roman Catholicism and Mormonism.

But to a Jewish audience that knows nothing of the New Testament, he sounds brilliant because he speaks with such authority as he sits there and represents what Christianity actually believes. And this is why I've said and I'll say it later when he's in.

I have said that I will debate Tovia anywhere, anytime without any prep, without any prep. I said that on a program, Tovia. Someone sent it to Tovia. He has he took that. He actually created the banner that we were going to be debating.

And then some gentleman called me claiming that he used to be a pastor. I found out later he is a follower of Tovia and he converted to Orthodox Judaism. And I think he was a plant. He contacted me because he wanted to help me with debate prep.

And he was asking what my arguments were going to be. I never gave him actually my full argument. I'm not going to do that because I didn't know who he was. But I guess I gave enough of it that Tovia has been running scared ever since.

He's done plenty of debates, but he refuses to debate me. He says that the debates have to be in have to be in person and they have to be structured. And it's like, OK, you know, I made the mistake. I found out afterwards that he that he moved to Israel.

I should have. And if I return to Israel, I think I'll contact him and publicly make it very public that I that I will be in Israel. Let's debate. That would be cool. Yeah. I'll come to his his turf because he doesn't know Christianity.

He's gotten better with it. It's a criticism I made with him many years ago. This is going over 20 years ago. He's gotten better with his understanding of Christianity, I think, because he's been probably shamed in the past, is my guess.

But the reality is, is that he you know, when you're speaking to an audience that knows nothing, you can sound very knowledgeable. OK, so let's get back to my response then to Ben Zion, because I want you to see what I end up doing.

I said I ended up saying to him, you know, I'm very sorry that that you did not have an argument. You have an assumption with arrogance. There is a difference. What we did was read and interact with your words.

It is not our fault that you cannot make logical arguments. Please, if you want to communicate clearly, then join the discussion. That way we cannot misread you now by saying that, you know, this is exactly what you had said, Drew, that he just is making assumptions.

But they're not just assumptions. They're assumptions with arrogance. They're assumptions that are I'm right, you're wrong, and there's no other way to look at it. And you just have to accept my position.

That's not an honest way to have a discussion. Right. OK, now you're going to come across people that are going to do this, folks, when you are practicing and doing apologetics, you're going to come across people that they have an assumption.

They don't even want to engage with what you're saying. They just want you to agree with them. We see this all the time. And so what did I do? I point that out because let's get it out in the open. Let's have that discussion.

And what ends up happening is, you know, he he ends up responding. And, you know, his response was, how old are you? I feel like I'm speaking to a child. I I reject in great detail every single thing you said on your two hour program when I emailed you on Friday.

Now, let's just stop there and think about this in the first email response. We didn't deal with a single thing he said. Right. And now he rejects it. Now he rejects it. So did we did we respond to it or did we not respond to it?

Right. Here's the thing. Your agreement with something does not make it an argument. In other words, if I disagree with Drew. That doesn't mean I didn't give an argument. It means I give an argument that Drew didn't agree with.

There is a difference. Right. And so you want to be able to recognize that difference when you talk with people because you want to be able to point that out to folks.

And one of the things that I said when I after reading this one that I told you is he's a guy that he's either not researching. As you know, when you look at some of these questions, it's like a quick Google search will give you all the research you you want on some of these answers.

Or he's just a guy that he's set in what he believes and he doesn't he doesn't really want to hear. He just wants to argue. Yeah, he does. You're right. And this.

This is very, very common when you're sharing the gospel with people, you're going to come across as people. Well, it's kind of like Isaiah six, right? Isaiah six. Oh, that's the passage everyone preaches at missions conferences, you know, where the Lord says, you know, you have this.

Isaiah has his vision. He says he's a sinful person of sinful people. And the question comes in, you know, where the Lord says, you know, who can we send? And Isaiah says, here I am. Send me. Oh, that preaches so well.

Yeah. Right. But no one continues reading. So if you continue on with that, what do you have as you continue on? It says, well, how long do I preach this, God? And Isaiah is told, keep doing it. So people basically stick their fingers in their ears, cover their eyes and go blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Right. I mean, just keep preaching until they don't want to hear. That is the reaction you will get when you're doing apologetics. So when that happens, know that that's a common reaction. Don't get upset by it.

In fact, what you could do is rest in that fact that you're, you're, they're being upset, not at what you're saying so much or how you're saying it so much as the fact that they don't want to think about it.

It could be because it's convicting them and they know it's true. That's possible. But really just know that it's not, you know, unless you're being a jerk,.

It's not you. Right. Right. Which we should never be because in doing apologetics, we are to do it with gentleness and kindness and respect and being a good ambassador for Christ.

Yes. So he goes on saying this. He says, instead of discussing it like a mature adult, you claim I'm being arrogant for asking for a response. I can see that your lack of knowledge of the Torah and its original language and your inability to defer these claims is making you frustrated.

It's laughable. If I don't, if, if, if I would show this, uh, this string of, well, it should be of emails, uh, to anyone, they would say the same thing. And then he says, what time is the show? If you're, if you commit to being intellectually honest, I will do my best to come on.

Uh, if the time works for me. So here's the thing, as we look at this, he's upset because I pointed out that he has assumptions with arrogance, but then he goes on to display arrogance as he insults me, calling me a child, uh, saying that I'm, uh, you know, that, that, uh, I'm immature.

I'm not, I'm not discussing this like a mature adult. Well, we spent over two hours discussing this like mature people, an immature reaction, a child's like reaction would be to be like, you didn't answer anything I said, which actually was his exact response.

And so pointing it out is doing nothing more than showing that this is the, his.

Response. Yeah. You know, it's this, this string of emails is a good lesson is a good apologetic lesson. That's why I said, I wanted to do this with you until he came in because you did, you know, just reading this going,.

Oh, well, you're not acting like a mature adult. You know, you didn't interact with, with what I said, you show your lack of the Torah, right? Who's, who's the one getting frustrated, right? Getting frustrated in the email.

Let's be fair and say that it is,.

We sometimes read emotion into written text messages right here. You can hear my voice. You're not hearing frustration. You had two hours of it. You didn't hear frustration. I, at least I hope not. I didn't feel like I was frustrated, but he's reading that in, right?

I'm reading in things with him. And so my response was, well, your rejection of facts does not constitute a lack of response. This is what I just said earlier, right? The fact that he rejects what I say doesn't mean that I didn't respond.

So I said, however, you have resorted to ad hominem attacks. Therefore I must ask you, how old are you? Right now, what did I do there? I'm taking his exact argument. I'm showing it. And you know, I, at one point I told him that if he's, you know, if you won't show up here, you know, uh, if he refuses to show up, if he, cause he was, he was saying he would only communicate via typing.

And I know we we've seen these keyboard warriors plenty of times.

And I call them cowards. You always invite them into the show and then they never show up.

Yeah. How many people have challenged me to debates that never show up here? And so, um, what you end up seeing. Okay. So, so here's a Facebook user saying I'm coming in late. What are we talking about?

So I don't know who this is cause you didn't go to Apologetics Live to follow the instructions. Go to apologeticslive .com so we can get your name. But what we're doing is we're waiting. We do have a Jewish gentleman who's hopefully going to come in top of the hour.

We're engaging with the emails that he sent, the exchange we had back and forth because I think it does have something that we can learn about apologetics. And then we're going to deal with his six page arguments in one hour, I hope, but we'll see.

Um, and so, because I think we can learn something even in the email exchanges and, and, and this, this could be helpful. So, um, he says, you called me a coward and said, you'll expose my foolishness.

Um, yeah, I mean, I, I would be, you know, that is what I said, because if the, he said he wasn't going to come in, which is, you know, just to say, Hey, I'm going to shoot these, these messages. I mean, this is what someone that's is a prideful person ends up doing.

I'm going to say what I say, I'm not going to allow for you to say anything back to me. Right. And if you do say anything.

Back, I'm just going to ignore it. Well, you know, I dealt with this at some point last year, I think it was maybe September, October, I had posted something on Facebook and it was, it was something from the Ligonier, uh, state of theology.

It was one of their questions. And then the, the statistic, the result that was kind of, you know, shocking. And so I posted it and then I posted the Bible verses that kind of went along with it. And then I had someone who is a COC pastor, uh, church of Christ, for those of you who don't know, uh, he, he private messaged me and he told me how he disagreed with my post.

And then he listed off all of these Bible verses. And I was like, okay. So when I responded and I looked, I went through each one of those Bible verses, none of them had anything to do with, with the statement, the state of theology question or any of the verses that I had posted that were in context of that question.

And so I wrote them back and I was very gracious. I said, Hey man, you know, thank you for, for writing me. Thank you for reaching out. Um, you know, I, I read what you had to say. Um, but this is, and then I kind of gave my defense.

This is why I say this, you know, walking, walking through scripture and showing him through scripture, this, that, and the other thing that, that supports, um, my claim. And then I told him, I said, but I don't get your texts that you, that you cited here.

Cause none of these have anything to do with what I was saying, but I know you have zoom. I have zoom. If you want to, if you want, if we want to get together and we can talk about it face-to-face or something like that.

Um, you know, I would enjoy that having to have a conversation. He never replied. And then he unfriended me. Which is, which is the, this is the behavior we see.

That, and this is why we're doing this folks. So you can spot, this is not, this is very common behavior. And so don't get upset over it. Don't get frustrated. This is what happens. Be prepared. When it happens, you just go, okay, now, now I want to, I want to point out some good things as well with, with these, some of the emails.

So he says, he ends up saying, uh, he says, let us have a discussion based on the merit of our claims and not make fun of each other. I apologize for what I said. I was a little frustrated because I took, I took time to think about what you said and respond to each point with specific verses and point what I'm saying when I emailed you on Friday and you didn't respond to those points and said that I'm manufacturing evidence.

So now, first off, I want to, I want to give credit where credit's due. He's acknowledging that he was frustrated. He's apologizing. Right. Right. That's good. But I want you to notice what he's doing here.

He's, he's upset because on Thursday night, we did not respond to the emails that he sent on Friday morning. Anyone pick up what, what, well, I don't have a time traveled device to allow me to go back in time and now respond to what you're going to say in the future.

Now, if he's going to, if his argument is, which I think is what he means, I think he means that we didn't respond to the eight, six page letter. Well, we said at the beginning, we didn't respond to that.

Yeah. We said we would deal with that this week when we had more time to go through this. I mean, the six pages takes time. I spent probably about five or six hours going through each of these questions to examine them, to look up the language, to see where I'm right.

If there's some things that I learned, I'm going to bring that up later, but this is something that takes time.

If I'm going to do a fair job with it. Yeah. And really, if you want to think about it, some of these that I'm looking at, some of these can be a whole show in themselves because when you start unfolding them, when you start unfolding some of these passages, right?

Like Galatians 3, 13, and then Deuteronomy 21, you have to unpack it. You can't, it's not just a, just a simple sentence answer and then move on to the next one. You can't do that. That, that would be dishonoring to the text.

Well, that would be what, you know, what he's asking for.

Is to have a discussion on the merits of the claims. That's what we're trying to do. We did two hours responding to, you know, just a few of his, his points. I think we dealt with it fairly. I think we, we tried to answer whether he agrees or not, but this is the thing.

He just rejects it. Right. You know? So let me, let me point out, we see someone in the chat that we haven't seen for a while. Cole, Cole was saying, good evening. It's been a while now.

It has been a while. It has been, we miss him. Yeah. Some things have changed a little bit in.

Case you haven't noticed. I got to say, you know, here, here, then right after that, we see, we see Jason saying to Cole, still enjoying that MyPillow, I hope. So, but if folks don't know that, you know, you just have to go back and see, because I don't know that I have the picture here that I could put up of Cole falling asleep and the ad we have for MyPillow, but now would be a good time for us to, to mention our sponsor before our guest comes in.

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