October 13, 2017 Show with Gordon Taylor on “What Are Your Church’s Core Values? Suggestions to be Prayerfully Considered for Adoption”

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. Lake City, Florida. And the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron Radio .com. This is Chris Arns and your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Friday on this 13th day of October 2017.

And. What better day to pick than Friday the 13th when you're having a discussion with Reformed Baptists? Assembly, okay. This is Chris Arnson and I am a Reformed Baptist and my co-host the Reverend Buzz Taylor is with me in the studio and he is a Presbyterian.

I am not a Reformed Baptist and well, you might want to pray about that. Reverend Buzz Taylor is a member of the PCA congregation here in Carlisle the Carlisle Reformed Presbyterian Church, and he is retired from the ministry himself right now anyway.

Not an active pastor, but he is an ordained minister with quite a number of years of experience as a pastor and Today we have back on the program after a long absence. Gordon Taylor. Gordon Taylor who I have had on this program in the past in fact I even had his wife on the program when we were broadcasting out of New York on WNYG and WGBB radio on Long Island and Gordon is also a former member of the Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, Pennsylvania where I am currently a member now.

He is the coordinator for the Reformed Baptist Network and we are going to be discussing today. What are your church's core values? Suggestions to be prayerfully considered for adoption. And We're also going to be announcing the 2017 Reformed Baptist Network Conference.

So we'll be giving you all the information you'll need to know about that. But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back after a very long absence. Gordon Taylor.

Thank you, Chris. I'm delighted to be with you again and Have fond memories of our time and at Grace Baptist in Carlisle as well. Amen.

And I must tell our listeners that if you ever hear about Gordon Taylor preaching anywhere near you Anywhere that you could get to by plane train or automobile I would make every effort to do so because he is an extraordinarily gifted preacher and I have always Been wonderfully blessed and edified every time he entered the pulpit at Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, Pennsylvania and Still does on occasion from time to time even though he's not a member of our congregation anymore.

But Gordon, I know that we have had you on the program before but since it's been at such a long time I would like you to give your personal testimony of salvation. What kind of Childhood that you had in regard to a religious atmosphere if any and what providential circumstances The Lord brought about in your life that drew you to himself and saved you and then later actually Placed a call upon your heart to enter into the ministry.

If you could tell us about those things.

Sure, Chris, I'd be happy to tell you about that. You know, I was I'm a very blessed man. I had a very happy childhood. My mother and father were both and I suspect I was in church from and to all the services on the Lord's Day and Wednesday night and I thought much to my soul.

Until one particular day and I need to put in parentheses here. I did grow up on a farm in North Central, Iowa and And My father and I worked together from the time. I was very very young. And when I was probably about eight or nine years old, I'm guessing while we were cleaning up the chicken house, my father began to talk to me about my soul and He he took me to John chapter 3 wonderful gospel verse for God so loved the world That he gave his only begotten son that whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Amen, he told me I yeah, he told me that I could put my name in there and that God loved me Gordon and that if Gordon would believe I'd ever for a lasting life and That struck a chord in my heart and I knelt with my father On the floor of that chicken house, and I would add it was the part that we'd already cleaned.

And I asked the Lord to save me. I've often wondered I often wondered whether or not I was really converted that day. I didn't have any great conviction of sin. Necessarily, but I did desire Christ, but it was shortly after that and that I Am I did have a conviction of sin?

I was playing with my sister upstairs in the bedroom on a Sunday afternoon when we were supposed to be resting and my mother and father Resting downstairs, and I suggested she climb in the top drawer of a dresser.

And I Or know the bottom drawer and I were climbing the top drawer. Well, I didn't understand fit and the dresser came tumbling over and made quite a racket and I and but she wasn't hurt. I told her quit getting your bed.

I went in my room got on my bed. My father came up talked to her then to me and said well. What happened Gordon? I said well nothing and I expected that he would discipline me as was his practice to my benefit, but he didn't he just kept talking and finally I wept and and then he assured me that Christ would forgive liars if I confess my sin and That was a very important event in my life forgive sin, I think I was converted then the Reformed doctrine of That was many years later.

But and that was a such a wonderful revelation to me. But I thank the Lord that he Put me in the home that he did love the Lord and love the gospel as well.

And then now what if you don't mind me asking what was the Specific kind of a theological background that your folks were from. And and then. Also how did you eventually? Specifically come to the doctrines of Sovereign Grace.

Yes, I grew up in a church that was part of a fundamentalist. The or the the association that the church was a part of had Calvinistic beginnings. But the local church I was in not taught or probably even believed until The pastor my senior year came so I grew up in a in a church where I wore the Christian life were greatly emphasized and Most people are people godly people and I and I loved them to this day but coming to the doctrines of grace happened when I went to what is now Cedarville University and I had a senior and a sophomore as well as a freshman as a roommate.

It was a crowded year and We would often talk theology and one night My senior unconditional election and I told them I said, well I can easily disprove that they said well how I Said well, the Bible says that we're elect according to the foreknowledge of God and All they said to me rather than arguing with me and today.

I'm still amazed at this. They said well Gordon, maybe you should just study that word foreknowledge and So I didn't know took out. I don't know whether it was a strong or young concordance and I looked up that word and followed the Greek word through the New Testament and It wasn't it foreknowledge there on first Peter one that I was quoting Really meant for ordained for list immediately.

I saw and I embraced it and then from there I went on to these it took me a long time to come to an understanding of particular redemption but that came and So the Lord did you just open my heart that my freshman year of college.

Amen, and when did you Realize that God had placed a call upon your life to enter into the ministry. Well, that was a slow.

Development. There was a time in my senior year of high school when I really rebelled against the Lord Said I'd never be a preacher. But that was the Lord rescued for me that after I. And then It was during college that I had a growing interest.

I my sophomore year I had to declare what foreign language I wanted to take and I knew that I wanted to know more about the Bible. So I decided to take New Testament Greek and I ended up minoring in New Testament Greek at it and my study of the Greek New Testament where the increasing desire for the ministry came.

And especially from dr. George Lawler who was on my Greek professor. And then I'll never forget the day when we were in and Translating preach the word and He leaned over the desk He pointed his finger at us and he said men preach the word.

Preach the word that came to my soul with my home church shepherded me like I wish they would have. They agreed with my calling they actually licensed me after I got out of college before I went to seminary and.

But but they didn't really. Even while I was in seminary and even after I was called to my first pastorate and after a number of years I thought you know what? I'm doing this people are listening there and the Lord's blessing.

So I guess is what the Lord had me to do Amen and.

When you entered into the ministry did your pastoral? Life began in a confessional reform Baptist Church, or was it some other kind of a church?

No, I began in them. I was part of churches and That's what I grew up in. That's where all my education was my friendships and that was my first church.

And I.

Did hold to the doctrines according in my Second church. I was there. I was in Calvary Baptist Church, Green Isle for about six years and The second church second more Baptist Church East Moline, Illinois where I ministered for 33 years was also in that association.

And by the way, they're just some there were some excellent men in that and and some men who really did hold at five points of doctrines of grace. But it was while I was at my mind Regard that church by God's kindness.

We we led to a place where They adopted the confession of faith in 168 in in 1987 to 1689 confession and became a reform Baptist Church in 87.

Well, praise God. And. Well, tell us something now about the reform Baptist Network. What is unique about it? How is it different from some other? Reform Baptist fellowships, and I know that there are even some reform Baptist churches that have such a strict view of independent autonomy that they Take it to the level of not believing in fellowships at all other than perhaps in some kind of an informal level.

I mean outside of their own body, of course. But if you could tell us something about specifically the reform Baptist Network.

Sure, I'll be happy to do that Chris. We are a network of church. The purpose of our network is to glorify God through fellowship and Cooperation and fulfilling the Great Commission to the ends of the earth.

So we're focused only on missions. We're not doing anything else. There are many other things that are very valid and very good we acknowledge but we wanted to form a network that was related specific and.

So we are cooperating for that purpose. In fact Six founding churches and of those 26 founding churches, there will be 15 missionaries. That will be presented to the churches this year for a free endorsement with the network.

And then there are many other ministries and some other missionaries, but that is what is attracted. I think churches. We have churches that have been in other associations. Some are many of them are in other associations even as we speak.

But.

Desired this kind of association with a robust confession to be able to worldwide evangelism.

So I.

Suppose that's one way that we differ from others is that we're we're very narrowly focused on missions and plan to remain and stay that way and then also. We have attracted a number of churches that were never a part of any association Who have become founding members and there will be more churches at least six more that will be added this year.

And I and I know there's interest in more churches in the future as well.

Great and you have coming up the 2017 Reform Baptist Network conference in Grand Rapids, Michigan. That's November 6 through the 9th. Tell us something about that conference that's coming up.

Sure. I'll be happy to we have. We'll have devotional messages each morning. We have preaching sessions. We're kicking off on Monday night with dr. David Murray Who's the professor of Old Testament and practical theology at Puritan Reform Seminary?

Yes, I know dr. Murray.

Well, and I've had him on the program a number of times and I consider him a precious brother in Christ and he really showed me a lot of compassion actually. Personally after my wife had passed away and entered into eternity and Sent me his book on depression that he wrote and he's a dear brother really loved him.

Yes, he is. I've heard him speak once that a pastor's fraternal in Grand Rapids and I just greatly profited from his ministry and. We look forward to having him speak on on Monday night on how to foster a burden and a vision for missions in the local church.

Because our theme this year is local evangelism the foundation for world missions and we're so glad that he's willing to cross the street as it were and And then preach for us on that Monday night. And then we have Jeff Smith one of our Arbynette founding member churches from Emanuel Baptist Church in Coconut Creek, Florida.

Will speaking on be speaking on Tuesday and Wednesday evenings. Dr. Jim Adams grizzly we call him. I don't know if y 'all know grizzly, but he is just a stellar.

Missionologist. Well, if it's the same Jim Adams that wrote the the booklet on decisional regeneration I know who he is and I met him once. Is that the same brother? Yes, it is. Yes. In fact, I met him briefly at the Gospel coalition conference in Indianapolis, Indiana, and I have been Discussing having him on this program to to actually address the issue of decisional regeneration, which is Something that we would deem as a heresy or as a very aberrant understanding of regeneration and and of course Jeanette Jim Adams Booklet is really a superb treatment of that.

Yes, it is. Friendship has grown deeper and deeper all the time and the more I get to know him the more I respect him. He he is just. He has a huge reservoir of respect in Latin American and South America.

In fact, he's down in in Chile right now.

In fact the last time I called him to be on my show because somebody had postponed. That's where he was. He was somewhere in neither Central or South America.

Yeah, he goes there quite a bit now since he's been able to. Well, they have a they have in Mesa, Arizona.

So.

So Jim is able to give himself a lot more To the ministry in South America, which is very very good. I mean he was a missionary in Columbia in his early years his early years of ministry but had to come back to the health reasons of his wife and So he's advantages.

He can go down there and preach link up with those speaking as well. Really the heart of our conference is Is the missionary presentations. We have five sessions where there'll be missionary presentations.

I don't know if you want me to go over all of them or not.

Yeah, sure. We have we have a little less than or should I say a little more than an hour and a half left? So you can definitely.

Great. I'll be happy to do that. Well, I'm going to be speaking it with one of these presentations. I only have about 20 minutes but I'm to give an overview of my mission trips to Italy and Zambia this past summer and then also and ministries trees of our member churches and.

This includes ministries Latin America South America East India Virgin Islands, France, Russia, Far East India.

I.

Assume that to your trip to Zambia. This is a guest but I'm assuming it had something to do with my friend Conrad and Bayway a pastor of cobata Baptist Church in Lusaka, Zambia.

Yes, it did. In fact Zambia was just a Great great trip for me and and one of the highlights was preaching at Cub water Baptist Church on Sunday evening that I on a Sunday evening. I was there. Conrad wasn't there that Sunday evening, but he did he was in New Zealand but he I did get to spend some time with him because he came back and During the week, but they asked me to do to preach an evangelistic message on Sunday night they said there'd be university students and I thought well, that's good and I got to the pretty much full and.

I.

Just thought that probably it'd be the church members and and some university students but much to my surprise I found out that the church people weren't there and They just simply opened it up to the university students and there were 300 of them that they came.

And and I said, well, how did they all? They all come. Well, they just put up a notice that some universities close by and they showed up. I thought wow. If we put up notices there might be one or two that come not 300.

Wow. But there were 300 that came and I got to preach the gospel to them and The singing was just fantastic. I mean it was and then afterwards that they gave literature and to all 300 in the court as they left wonderful outreach that kabwada had.

On that in Zambia. Yeah, he is. Dr. Conrad in Bayway, I believe.

Is one of the most powerful preachers of the gospel on the planet Earth today? I mean he is just extraordinary and I've known him since 1995 when he first came over to the United States and one of his primary places that he preached was the church where I was formerly a member Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island and Merrick where I was a member before relocating here to Pennsylvania and I'm so glad that the Lord was pleased to develop a friendship between Conrad and I and we've kept in touch all all these years since 1995 and he has been on this program a number of times and and I just really enjoy his fellowship.

He's such a humble brother and So extraordinarily gifted at the same time when those two things don't necessarily go hand-in-hand a lot.

Yeah, I agree with you. Well, they call it the Spurgeon of Africa right now not without reason. I've heard him preach as well and Just it's amazing the gifts that God has given him. I.

Yes, when I when I was a member there at Grace Reformed Baptist, I was working for a radio station there that covered the tri-state area of New York and We when we had Conrad come to preach at the Grace Reformed Baptist I developed an a radio ad campaign and I put a 32nd clip of him preaching this really powerful clip of him preaching about Christ's redemption and and the fact that we have been rescued from hell and so on.

And it was so powerful that over the three-day period we had over 500 visitors over those three days that had that. And and that is not including the people who are actually members of Grace Reformed Baptist.

And a lot of those people that came after hearing that clip of Conrad preaching were african-american Pentecostals and charismatics and The Thing that I kept hearing over and over again because the phones were ringing off the hook for four days.

But people kept saying that man has the anointing. And that he certainly does maybe not in the way that they think but he certainly does have an anointing of God for for preaching in the pastoral office.

He really does and She did. Conrad. Now what one of the reasons I was. What were the basic reason? I was there. 15 lectures on the dock for the Holy College is one in Andola and the second one in Lusaka.

But and his church really sponsors the Lusaka Ministerial College.

But.

One of the most impressive things about the Reformed Baptist movement in in Zambia. There are 25 or 26 Reformed Baptist churches that have adopted the confession of faith. But they have 40 church plants.

It's just amazing what the Lord is doing and I appreciated Conrad so much. I mean he made it a point see me and we had some conversations. But he truly is a Man of God who's greatly used and I trust the Lord will continue to use him greatly.

And you know his church isn't even the largest church in Lusaka. Roland Califunga ministers at another Reformed Baptist Church and.

I.

Think he has probably has about three or four hundred maybe five hundred. I don't know. And. Then there are a number of other. I think there's eight or nine Reformed Baptist churches in the city of Lusaka plus a number of church plants.

I spoke at one of the church plants as well.

So that.

It's just Zambia is a bright spot and all of what I hear and and then and we also we have a.

Regular listener in the Iron Sherpins iron radio audience who's from an area of Africa that is not so rich with reformed theology. And that's Nigeria. Lagos, Nigeria, we have a listener Oh Sinachi who sends in questions quite often to our listeners and He I believe he said to me that he is a member of the only Reformed Baptist Church in Nigeria if I'm not mistaken.

Perhaps, you know, but better than I do if that's the case, but.

Well now we do have a church ma 'am pastor Nick Kennecott Who has started a basically a training program and oh wow interview because the Lord is blessing that work and and taking Pentecostal churches and wild churches and.

These men some of them have acknowledged that the Lord's working in Nigeria as well Amen.

We're gonna go to our first station break right now. If anybody would like to join us on the air with a question for Gordon Taylor. Perhaps you have a question specifically about Reformed Baptists what they are.

I know that some of you may Be hearing that phrase for the first time and you don't even really know what that is. I can comically remember a.

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Friend of mine. Dr. James R. White was being interviewed on The family radio stations which are much smaller a number of these days because of Harold camping going through a very serious stage of apostasy that drove that that network into the ground, but there was a time when that was a Bastion on the airwaves of solid teaching and preaching and my friend.

Dr. James R. White Was being interviewed by one of the local Representatives of a family radio affiliate and he was not himself reformed which is interesting. And he wasn't really up on the lingo and when he was interviewing James White He said so I understand you were a reformed Baptist.

What are you now? In other words, he thought he was reformed from being a Baptist like a a reformed alcoholic or something like that. So it was quite interesting to see that he didn't have a clue what that meant, but we're gonna be Coming back and just a short bit and your questions can be sent to Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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Today, we are discussing what are your church's core values Suggestions to be prayerfully considered for adoption. If you'd like to join us on the air with a question, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com and Gordon I understand that that these Core values are the main focus of an upcoming General Assembly gathering.

Yes, that's correct the core values document which all the One of our member churches last year said they thought it would be wise to develop something like this so a committee was was appointed to To write it and to look into it and the committee worked for a number of months and came up with this and then submitted the papers for comments very positive.

There were some slight editing no major changes and now the It's not a it's not like a position paper. It's nothing that the church joining has to say yes, but it's just an expression of who we are what we believe as a group of churches.

What holds us together? The cause of mission.

Amen, and I assume that since these are core values that you Would hope that your member churches Believe are very serious and have a high level of importance in their own churches lives I'm assuming that you would think that these would be important for For all churches because if you believe something is true You obviously want others to by God's grace Eventually wind up agreeing with those convictions.

Am I?

Yeah, yeah, that's very true. Chris we the papers divided into three parts. The first part is and it's not a long paper, I mean we're talking what three pages. The first part is our theological Center and.

Then the second part and then the third part the earth's mission, of course is what has drawn us together in the first place.

But.

It is it's spelled out there in some detail. So yes, this is I think. This is this is really an expression of Everything we've heard of every church as a member saying this is really who we are this is who we want to be and at least strive toward these very Important core values that are expressed in this paper.

Amen, and one of the things under.

The theological Identity in these core values is robustly confessional if you could explain that a bit.

Ashamedly those who second London Baptist Confession of Faith, which? As you know a word for word not quite word for word. It's a copy of the Westminster and and also formed faith of the congregationalist the same way Declaration in England, so we are unashamedly Christian Orthodoxy Received from our reformed forefathers and and it's not peripheral to our network.

It is it is foundational to our unity and our common our common beliefs so we we wish to maintain that as a network of churches now for those of our listeners who have.

No experience in being in a confessional church. At least one that identifies itself that way because I believe that all churches are confessional churches. They're either good confessions or bad. They're either biblical or they're not.

Because once you start explaining to people what you believe you're really you're really declaring a confession of faith, but The the London Baptist Confession of Faith that we adhere to it which is as you said before nearly identical to the Westminster, this is just a summary of Biblical teachings that Baptists in the 17th century gathered around as a Hallmark or as hallmarks of what they believed.

Were a summary of of Christian belief. These are things from the scriptures. These are not the the writings or thoughts of men, although they have been. They have been gathered together in a particular confession by men and.

They are just a summary of biblical teachings am I not right in the 31 chapter and so it covers. So I suppose many would think that it's a but it is just really a brief compendium of of the basic doctrinal teachings of the scriptures and Old to those and it's leave the Bible actually teaches.

The confession, of course does not have the same authority as the Bible the Bible is our sole authority and the confession itself dates that. But it is nonetheless What we believe the Bible teaches and an expression of what we do believe.

In fact, we have.

Our first listener with a question right now that is asking about confessional. Confessional Christianity. We have RJ in White Plains, New York who asks do you ever get afraid that being a confessional church may keep you stuck frozen in time and actually rob your church of.

Really pursuing one of the Reformation battle cries. Semper Reform and a always Reforming if you are not if you're always looking back to a 17th century document as the correct summary of biblical teaching.

May this not stifle you and really being Berean, you know.

We actually under the archaeological center under a heading called intentional humility and We do believe that a haughty Calvinist is a contradiction in terms. So we embrace Reformata Acknowledge our needs to the doctrines and we also acknowledge the reality and the necessity of the Holy Spirit's continuing work of illumination and.