June 15, 2016 Show with Scott Lively PLUS David Kupelian on “The Snapping of the American Mind: Healing a Nation Broken by a Lawless Government & Godless Culture”

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This is Chris Ornson, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron, wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this

15th day of June 2016 and I'm delighted to have back on the program

Dr. Scott Lively for the first hour.

He is founder and director of Abiding Truth Ministries.

He is probably most well known for his very controversial book co -authored with an Orthodox Jew

named Kevin Abrams titled The Pink Swastika, Homosexuality in the

Nazi Party and today we are going to be discussing more

in the aftermath on the Orlando massacre where over 50

lives were taken and over 50 more were wounded seriously in a nightclub

featuring or should I say frequented by those heavily

involved in homosexual activity and also those who support that

lifestyle who just join those who were identified as

homosexuals in dancing and leisure time and

celebration and all that kind of thing and in addition to that the nightclub where

this tragedy took place is also according to many reporters

on the secular news is a hub or a headquarters in Orlando

for leaders within homosexual activism.

So we're going to be talking more about that in the aftermath of that horrific event

with Scott Lively and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back Dr. Scott Lively.

It's great to be back with you Chris and I'm speaking with you from Brasov,

Romania where I'm on a fact -finding, you know, personal fact -finding

tour of Eastern

Europe.

Well that's fascinating.

I gotta have you back on when you return to the states after that trip

but why don't you, if you could, just give us a little bit more description about exactly what that is you're

doing.

Scott, hello Dr. Lively.

Yes, hello, you can hear me?

Yes, now I can.

We broke up there for a minute.

Can you just give us a little bit more of a.

Description about what you're doing there in Romania?

Yes, well, as most people are aware, there is

involved

an open border strata

promotion of

people.

Actually, it's been

triggered

in eastern

Trump

in

the

United

States.

And why

don't

you

tell our

listeners also

about the letter you.

Recently wrote to the Prime Minister of Hungary, which I reposted on my own Facebook page.

Yes, well,

Prime

Minister

in

2011, he led a,

and

then more

recently, he has stood up to the open borders of his country,

is where, is

not, just not going to go back to

me and any of

the elitists called

a hate monger like they do with anybody.

Tremendous courage.

And then a couple of weeks ago, Bill Clinton,

Hungary and Poland, we

Americans shed blood in

Europe and maintain the Cold War to liberate your country.

And I guess democracy is too much trouble for you.

And so, and much of my letter to the Prime Minister saying, you know, don't listen

to none of these people have the generation of Americans that

are here in Europe because, and

they did not shed their blood

in order to, and

it was...

Yes, when you use the

phrase, a buzz, I

was reminded

that

I

failed

to.

Introduce you to my co -host, Reverend Buzz Taylor.

Why don't you greet our guest, Scott Lively.

Well, he was trying to get me introduced, see Chris.

Very good to be on the show with you.

Yeah, I'm with you, Buzz.

And that's an interesting name.

That could have been my nickname years ago.

I spent a long time smoking pot.

Well, I hear more people who think that's.

The reason I got the name, but actually I got it as a child because

my middle name is Busby, B -U -S -B -Y, an old English name.

And they called my father, John, they called me Buzzy.

Well, we had a neighbor, a neighbor named Buzzy Palmer.

I remember back in those days, nobody knew that that meant anything other than just a nice guy.

Of course, you're giving away your age too now.

Yeah, well, you know, I'm actually probably older than that even, but still.

Well, our listeners could probably see that letter that you wrote to the Hungarian Prime Minister at

defendthefamily .com, I'm assuming, your website.

Yeah, that's there.

And also, WorldMedDaily, you're going

to have that.

Yes.

June 15th, you know, 12 -15, when

the foundation of institutional law, really, human rights

grounded in that document.

And this is the anniversary.

And I did a, on that,

liberation of England from the European Union, which is another example

that, that's

the most, it's the most

important aspect, second most

European Union, and the European Union is

model for the one world government.

It's the, it basically, it's, they've been creating the framework.

It's going

to be the

freedom that we, that we have.

Great.

Well, let's, before we even get into the main discussion that we intended you to

address, why don't you let our listeners know something about Abiding Truth Ministries and

defendthefamily .com?

Well, I started Abiding Truth, well, defendthefamily .com is just the name of the website, and I use the name

Defend the Family International when I travel outside the U .S., but Abiding Truth Ministries is a pro

-family organization that I started while I was in law school.

I considered myself to be a missionary to the global pro

for a quarter of a century, and abiding

through

my newsletter to be able to do travels like I am right now, and to

just go wherever the Holy Spirit opens the doors, to do whatever it is the work is that needs

to be done, to help to encourage, and really,

I've had some tremendous, that

this marks, actually, Romania marks the fifth, and I'm

here in the dining

room, which is also

really

pale.

Some people already know that, you know,

bulwarks against the Islamic invasion into Europe, this line that we're on.

Well, actually, I was in Hungary before, and now I'm here in Romania.

This is

Christians

all that stood,

and they

did that.

Yeah, let me just apologize to our listener that our guest Scott Lively is cutting in and out on occasion, but he is calling from

Romania, so we can cut him some slack in that regard.

And he is, Vlad the Impaler is still revered by many people in Romania, is he not?

Well,

it's,

you know,

we visited

Brian Castle, tremendous

historian.

Yes, I have had Bill on about three times, yes.

And he's done some tremendous work on all this.

He did a piece regarding Vlad.

He said, and I got this from him, that Vlad the Impaler

learned the tactics that he used, and that

the countries of

Europe had to pay him a tribute every year, and part of that tribute was 500 boys that

were given to the sultan for homosexual sodomy, and they were essentially

male sexual slaves of Islam,

and I don't know if he was one of the 500, but he was in their

prisons during that time period, and that he witnessed the Muslims

using impaling as a method of torture, and then when he escaped later, he

became a warlord, and he used that,

and he impaled something like 30 ,000 captives, Muslim

captives, for miles and miles along

the road, and then the

sultan eventually turned back.

It was overwhelming even for him.

Okay, well, the main topic that we wanted to discuss with you today

is in light of the horrific events that took place in

Orlando this past Sunday morning, where a nightclub frequented by

those involved in homosexual activity.

In fact, it's, I believe, designed specifically for people of that

inclination, and in fact, as I was mentioning earlier, news

reporters have even called it a primary hub or headquarters

of homosexual activists, and we had obviously a man -claiming

connection with ISIS, who murdered in cold blood over 50 of these people,

injured more, and was himself shot to death, and the

secular society around us will

attack Christians, evangelical Christians, for both our opposition

to Muslim terrorists by bringing into question

a religion that has helped spawn that kind of atmosphere, in addition

to the victims of this crime, and they will try

to perpetuate a lie that we, by opposing,

radically opposing, homosexual activity, that we hate these people and delight in their death.

Now, it doesn't help matters when you have very evil

people like Stephen Anderson and others who profess to be Christians and are actually pastors of churches,

and of course, we all know about the Westboro Baptist Church and so on, the God Hates Fags group, but

that doesn't help matters.

There are obviously charlatans, not only within Christianity, but within every other group,

but that doesn't help matters for us, so we are left with a very delicate situation when

we publicly speak as Christians in the aftermath of such a horrific event.

I don't think it's, Chris, I don't think it's all that delicate, really.

I mean, this is, let's just speak plainly about what's really going on.

This was a gay -on -gay it's come out

that Omar Mateen was himself on

people on a gay dating site.

He asked out his high school classmates romantically, his ex -wife talked about his

homosexual inclinations, and he had gone to this nightclub on numerous occasions.

He was a guy who was himself struggling with homosexuality,

and that this is not uncommon at all.

In fact, the latest, if you actually just look in the news,

that homosexuals who have been murdered, news stories, the

secular media will treat this as a homophobic hate crime, hoping that it's going to turn

out to be some Christian activist or something, and it almost always turns out to be another homosexual

who's done it, gay -on -gay violence, and we're reminded that Matthew Shepard, who is

the symbol, in fact, he's named that the hate

crimes act.

Ten years after the fact, gay journalists,

former sex partners, and the, you know, this is one after another.

The person, the leader of sexual minorities Uganda in Africa,

part of the lawsuit that

I'm out of

New York, the key

point in

their

suit is that

no

one

deserves,

demons are real, but they can possess human beings.

I agree with

you a hundred

percent,.

And I guess perhaps I've misspoken the way I phrased that we have a delicate situation.

What I mean is that we have to be careful in the way we speak publicly,

because there are obviously those encircled around us ready to

pounce and twist our words and so on.

We have to be very clear what we mean when we speak.

And you know they're going to do that anyway.

Yes, that is.

True.

And they

don't care

what

the facts

are.

We do not support

agenda.

Yes, and it is a

shame.

That even, I mean, when I watch Fox News on occasion,

it even appears that some of those pundits and so on on Fox News, who

are coming from allegedly a conservative worldview, they even

seem to uphold the victims in this horrific tragedy

as some kind of heroic figures.

I mean, we obviously want to have compassion

with not only the surviving victims of this attack, but also the families who are

grieving deeply.

We may have many brethren in Christ who are grieving deeply over the slaughter of their

children, or their siblings, or their parents even.

But it is a tragedy, a

double tragedy, when wickedness is upheld as some kind of a noble, heroic

virtue in the aftermath of something like this.

That's exactly right, and that point is.

Very important to recognize.

That analogy to that is what happened in France,

and all over the

world.

Heptomagazine, and then all of a sudden all of

a sudden Charlie.

Charlie Heptomagazine was an

obnoxiously

atheistic

and

profane

magazine

that

they

want everybody to.

Now, you know, we're all

going to fly the

rainbow flag.

It's a great tragedy that does

not deserve to be shot in

that day.

We're going to

use your

deaths as a

way.

Yes, and we're

going to be

going.

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This is Chris Arns.

And if you just tuned us in, our guest today for the first hour is Dr. Scott Lively, who is

the founder and director of Abiding Truth Ministries.

And then on the second hour, we are going to be joined by David Kapelian.

And he is going to be discussing the snapping of the American mind, healing a nation broken by a

lawless government and godless culture.

And that will be from 5 to 6 p .m. Eastern Time.

But right now we have a Dr. Lively on through 5 p .m.

And we apologize that the phone connection isn't as clear as we would like, but he is calling from Romania.

So I want you to keep that in mind.

And we thank him so much for taking the time out of his busy schedule in Romania to call,

especially since it's very late at night there.

Let me get my co -host's question before I go to a listener.

Reverend Buzz Taylor.

Just to put this in perspective, Scott, you talked about how it's demonic,

the behavior and so forth of trying to take tragedies like this and

use it for your political agenda and all.

And I was thinking of the name of your ministry, Abiding Truth Ministries.

And I just think we ought to throw this in perspective that truth is more powerful

than error.

And we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, powers and spiritual

wickedness and high places and all those things that we're told about.

And we understand that Satan is the father of lies.

Would you at least address the fact that just because Satan is the father of lies doesn't mean that lies are more.

Powerful than the truth?

Well, you know, unfortunately for us, we

know how the end of the book comes out.

But unfortunately, you know, the devil is the prince of this world until the Lord comes back and

claims his throne.

And we have to,

we exist in a spiritual realm and demons actually exist.

Angels can take human form and walk among us, the scripture says, but demons can't do that.

They can influence and in some cases possess human beings, like ride them like a

horse and that happens.

And anyone who doesn't attack him, in fact, I had a Romanian

cab driver the other day that coming back from the train station and it was

in broken English talking about how much he likes and

in new age and all that.

And I know he wouldn't, didn't understand very well.

So I just want to very simply

spiritual realm, you know, that

this day and age with Christianity sort of being so material, materialistic and, and not focused on

spiritual things that sounds, you know, sort of old world, archaic,

the Bible, and that's the truth.

And when people open that

someone like

this, you

know,

Omar

Mateen,

a wonderful

belong

to

Christ.

And if

your nation doesn't belong to Christ, then you better get

ready.

Yeah.

I mean, people often wonder how a,.

An entire nation like Germany in the early part of the 20th century could have been

captivated and hypnotized by somebody like Hitler.

But I think that the demonic realm is the perfect explanation of how a whole,

whole community of people, a whole nation of people could,.

Could follow, you know, I'm about to publish a prophecy book.

I wasn't going to get off into this, but, but a big part of it is about the history of the antichrist

and society.

A small portion of it deals with the fact that Germany excavated

the seat of

Satan

in part, he

started to clear and, and

introduced that whole demonic philosophy into Germany.

And then, and then from that point forward, Germany was just captivated by a demonic influence.

And, and, and actually, and still today, and I've actually, I actually received a, a personal

by Colonel Eugene Byrd, who had been the commandant of Spandau prison where the Nazi war criminals were kept

after the Nuremberg trials.

And he took me to that, to the Pergamon museum where the seat of Satan and

the, the Isis, the, the Isis gate from

Babylon, there's 37 dragon figures on it, the,

the gematria of

that is

the, in

Germany, in

all of

human, would be able to,

unless your mind is completely clouded,

spiritual warnings of the Bible are true,

and take appropriate action, the appropriate act on the

dead.

He's the only one who

has the authority over the demonic realm.

And, and so, you know, that should be, that should be the lesson from the

Orlando slaughter.

Every single person that survived that, every single family member that's mourning the loss

should be waking up and, and, and saying, I will turn from my

secular false thinking, I will receive Jesus Christ as my Savior, and I will ask for

him to come back into authority into the United States of America, so we can have the kind of security

and prosperity that we used to.

Have when we were a Christian nation.

We do have a listener in Mastic Beach, Long Island, New York, Tyler, who says, would you say

that the waving of the rainbow flags in the embassies across the world is also a

violation of the political relationships we have with other nations who do not agree

with their agenda?

And I'm assuming when he says, do not agree with their agenda, the agenda of the rainbow flag, I'm assuming

that's what he.

Means by that.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, there's two problems with the rainbow flag.

First of all, it doesn't belong to them.

The rainbow belongs to God.

The rainbow is the symbol of the authority and presence of God.

It places in Scripture, of course, where

God, you know, uses it as the promise of his covenant, and then in Ezekiel 128,

where it is identifying

that, and then in Revelation 3, the

rainbow emanates from the throne of God.

So it's intimately associated with the

purpose for people who are engaging in practices that God

initiated, and that he incinerated Sodom and Gomorrah over.

For people who identify with that lifestyle to be using the rainbow is absolutely blasphemous

and wrong.

So one problem.

But then the second problem is that the fact that it is associated with sodomy

in the minds of most people of the world now, for the U .S. embassies and other people,

it's in contradiction to the values of the countries.

You know, it's interesting how much of society

believes that they are not violating

or promoting, I should say.

They're not promoting a religion or violating anyone else's religion

when they, for instance, in a secular news broadcast, will

affirm homosexuality as a completely

acceptable lifestyle, if not a wonderful lifestyle, not only to be tolerated but to celebrate.

But whenever you have someone in any role of the secular society taking a

posture like that, there really aren't they teaching a religion because

they are saying, they're teaching the tenets of a religion because they're saying that

Christianity is wrong about that.

So if you're saying that a religion such as Christianity or even Orthodox Judaism

or even Islam, if you are saying that all these collective

religions who have stood against homosexuality for centuries are wrong about this issue, you are

taking a religious.

Position, aren't

you?

Khan Law Professor Booksy had us read was

titled The Myth of Religion.

That

is by

nature

recognized

the founding fathers society that

they gave us,

society that

they called it secular and it wasn't denominational.

Yes, and in fact I was even having a discussion with somebody on the internet who was saying

in light of the events in Orlando that all religions are messed up and he

didn't use the phrase messed up and I responded to him that he

had his own religion because he is taking a specific theological position on

God that God does not exist and therefore people

are wrong for even assembling and gathering around something they believe to be

religiously or theologically or doctrinally true.

That is a doctrinal and theological position.

So it is and that is actually secular humanism is really I think the

better rather than atheism secular humanism is really the better definition of

what

they're.

I

actually

think Thomas

Jefferson's metaphor a

constitutional still isn't today but the court adopted

and said that all religions have to be

treated equally by United States government and what they did effectively

itself

declare odd and everything worshipped as God

and said that all these religions are

now equal and equally subservient

to in America

the legal

power to go

to be found and

to drive them out of public life using the

courts.

That was you know

they were sending me hate

mails all day

that

is that's

hateful.

They want to fit

radicals as a way to

Christianity

and

it is ironic because if.

This nation that we live in were to become an Islamic theocracy with Sharia law the liberals would

have their heads on the chopping block before anybody.

The first ones right maybe the.

First ones killed right and then actually that's and they are in a lot of these places.

Where are.

Now of course not all liberals or atheists or agnostics are in

favor of that kind of agenda.

You even have people as much as I despise much of what Bill Maher has to say.

He is openly critical of Islam and actually mocks.

He mocks his liberal colleagues and friends for being protective of them

while being critical of Christians.

And then of course you know you have people like the late Christopher Hitchens and others that were would never be in favor of

any kind of Islamic overrun of.

The country but I guess it comes down to whose ox is being gored.

I think Bill Maher has

Islamic radicalism and other lefties but he's he is.

He's being a hypocrite completely inconsistent in and

you know being against Christianity when Christianity has protected the world from wherever it has

prevailed and

humanism is in.

Yeah and of course you have people like Bill Maher who.

Are so much invest.

Have so much invested in the freedom of speech that even a liberal like him

despises the thought police controlling every word that is spoken in the public arena.

So you do.

You do occasionally have.

You know there's also there's also just one more thing Chris on that point is that there is actually a fair amount

of overlap and you see this with the Trump Sanders phenomenon going on there that

there is on both the left and the right there is

rebellion

predatory corporatism and then in that I stand shoulder to shoulder with a lot of hard leftists

and and there are other things where we

have in fact I

think

the poll keep them so they couldn't organize.

I think the population of America is divided.

Right.

Left

globalists

will all.

Yeah.

And in

Romania and this man

out in the middle we

weren't even talking politics and he said Hillary

Clinton is a communist.

This is a man who lived under communism.

Yeah you know.

But.

But.

So.

But Clinton is it.

Clinton is a well well

elicited comment.

Yeah.

Well Hillary

Clinton herself.

In especially when the the race was closer between her and the

openly socialist Bernie Sanders she wasn't saying how can you American

citizens even consider voting for a socialist.

She wasn't saying that.

She was saying oh there is not much difference between us at all.

She kept saying that over and over again.

In fact still does uh so well you know she was a student of uh Saul Alinsky and.

Rules

for

rather

than

world

history

in Germany

well I

just

am

thankful that

I believe

in a.

Sovereign God and I'm not to put my trust in princes.

And no matter what the outcome is as a Christian I know that Romans 8 28 will still be in effect

for amen for those of us who love the Lord.

Well I want to repeat your website it is defend the family .com.

Defend the family .com.

Thank you so much for taking time out of your schedule and calling us all the way from Romania during your trip there and I

pray that you safely return here to the states.

Brother thank you God.

Bless you both and all your listeners and we'll talk to you next time all right.

Well God bless.

You and once again we apologize to our listeners that our phone connection with Dr.

Lively was breaking in and out but he was calling as I kept repeating from

Romania and that probably had something to do with it.

I think he was using a cell phone so we apologize for that.

But coming up right now we are going to have uh David Kapilian.

Join us to discuss his new book hot off the press the snapping of the American mind

healing a nation broken by a lawless government and a godless culture.

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This is chris arnson and our guest for the next hour is david kapelian an award -winning

journalist vice president and managing editor of world net daily an editor of whistleblower

magazine and widely read columnist.

He is also the best -selling author of the marketing of evil which i interviewed

david on a number of years ago.

And today we are going to be discussing the snapping of the american mind.

And i'm very excited to discuss this book.

The subtitle is healing a uh healing a broken healing and i'm sorry healing a

nation broken by a lawless government and godless culture.

And let me just read a couple of the endorsements that this book has received by people that

most of you probably have uh heard of.

Uh.

Sean hannity top -rated radio and television host and author says david kapelian is one of the most

thought -provoking and iconoclastic writers i know.

Agree or disagree david is a must read if you really want to understand the world we live

in and where it's headed.

Dinesh d'souza who is another individual that many of us recognize.

David kapelian's the snapping of the american mind chronicles the decline and fall of america and

shows that it is no accident but rather a direct result of progressive

misrule an eye -opening scary and galvanizing book.

And finally david barton historian author and founder of wall builders says many writers have

chronicled the far left's destructive influence on america her culture institutions and government.

But in the snapping of the american mind david kapelian makes it crystal clear that the left's first

and ultimate target is none other than the american mind itself in an era

when our nation's judah judeo -christian foundation is coming under increasingly open and brutal

attack.

Kapelian's powerful and redemptive book couldn't have come at a better time.

Well with uh all those accolades this is obviously a uh a book that is well worth our

attention.

And we welcome you back after a long absence to iron sharpens.

Iron david kapelian.

Hey chris good to be with you.

Yeah sorry i'm a little tongue -tied today but uh hopefully that will be ironed out during the

midst of the rest of the program and uh my co -host that i'd like to introduce you to at this time

is the reverend buzz taylor greet our guest david kapelian.

Buzz.

Greetings david.

Good to have you on the show.

Hey buzz.

Good to be with you and before we even go.

Into the main subject of the snapping of the american mind.

Tell us about world net daily.

For those of our listeners who are discovering you for the first time in the world net daily.

Organization.

Well the most interesting thing maybe for your audience about world net daily which now

kind of like kentucky fried chicken is now kfc everything is the

quirk.

Wnd is action

content

site in the world.

Wow uh more than any ministry more than any other uh news

site.

Uh it has got a huge traffic on it and even though it does not say you know you're a christian source for

news pretty much everybody here is uh a christian a lot of homeschoolers among

the staffers here and uh the the forms

cnn at msnbc

all people that were around pegs increasingly

crazy.

Um uh you know media new york times this morning came out with an editorial saying

that possible for you

know a

problem with the press in this country.

So you have fortunately a this

is mostly the internet and talk radio uh you can put fox news in there if you like.

I do i think anything else on on tv.

But uh wid in particular has been out there as long as the drudge report since you

know 20 years basically 1970 uh 1997.

Um and uh it's uh you know founded by joseph farah

well -known mainstream journalist.

But and a

and a terrific the founder.

I'm the vice president and managing editor.

And uh we've been doing this and trying to save the country for for 20 years

and uh continue pedaling as fast as we can.

Well uh this book that is hot off the press the snapping of the.

American mind healing a nation broken by a lawless government and godless culture.

The the title itself is very self -explanatory but if you could anyway

give our listeners uh your motivation behind writing this book in light of the fact that you

have addressed this main theme here before even in the marketing of evil and so

on if you could do what what makes this book unique.

Well chris i.

Mean i'm i'm in my 60s i

remember vividly i mean i was i was in the news media during the reagan years.

I i i remember uh vividly what was strongest most

christian nation in the history of the

reagan was president.

We're not talking about something like in the civil war era and this nation has

changed over the years and and the marketing of evil i basically show how we

were sold on all these uh wild uh changes that have really just

destroyed they destroyed the family marriage our country our culture our economy everything

um and how evil works was the following snapping of the american mind

is really focusing on the kind of the end game of what the

left has done and is doing to america.

And we have to understand when we say the left the right these are really code words.

You know what does this mean.

The left it's just a four -letter word.

And what what is encompassed in that.

It's almost like you know i'm driving down the road i turn right i turn left.

It's like a moral equivalent.

Some people believe this some people believe that.

And wrong right.

The um that went fairly

cannot operate cannot even exist without constantly violating.

And i went through the ten commandments one by one and i

showed them thou shalt

not kill the same number of people that died

on 9 11 unfolding.

And now

we get

you know the most important thing

sexual revolution which is completely a creature of the left.

Okay that is basically adultery on the

sex is sex is sacred

and is confined to marriage between a man and a woman.

That's the core morality.

It's really what it's

about.

Common sense says we would eliminate all kinds of horrible

problems.

And said you know what

these judeo -christian morals that have done america very well for hundreds of years and

western civilization for thousands of years.

What i'm

saying in

the snapping of the

american mind basically just

about oh well we're breaking our traditional

same -sex weddings and so forth.

I'm saying that tens of millions of americans

altering mood altering drugs.

Let me put a number of that 50 million america there's 330 million americans men women and

children are dependent on mind altering

psychiatric drugs.

And another 25 million are

60 million 110 million million not

thousand 110 million with sexually transmitted diseases.

I mean it sounds like all the grown -ups

are are

addicted

or keep hearing about

middle class the white middle class not just the headlines we've been hearing for months

and i'm here to say it's not just people are suddenly going crazy for

no reason at all.

They are being driven by the the fundamental transformation

quote -unquote of america by the hard left which

has given us the right and wrong you can screw around

with anything that moves.

You can basically live like an animal.

And and we and but and we do have a contact

when we break is written

one sentence the left is literally what

you see in the

headline.

And i go and i point i may sound like i'm ranting right now but this is a serious

prosecutorial indictment with you know 400 end notes full of peer -reviewed studies.

Uh in the that basically show proof i will use the word proof.

And the sanity and the happiness of regular.

Americans we do have tyler again in mastic beach long island.

He has been very uh faithful in and sending in questions every day.

Practically uh tyler in mastic beach long island new york says.

Would you say that the consequence of our modern society being dependent on the thoughts of

fallen men in adam is the result of our ignorance of truth and biblical

literacy.

Well yeah the the.

You know who is it.

Um some of the famous scientists like newton and

galileo.

Testimony to god in basically two places.

In in in nature we have it in the re

the holy scripture.

But you know god himself and the bible says i

you know look

the ten commandments

of western uh traditions

morality

law.

Right away.

The idea of don't.

There goes social.

Ten commandments.

Partly it's biblical.

The understanding of really we.

We call it common sense.

I wish it were more common.

But common sense is the conscience is a gift from

god.

Even if your parents.

Some way.

Oh there it says right there thou shalt not steal.

I thought it was fine until i saw

that.

Okay so we have a

knowing of right wrong.

That's why machines work.

When we lie it registers in our body.

Quran

says

it's

something

in us that says

questions.

And romans.

One basically said that all men know the truth but suppress it.

Uh so we right.

There's no excuse because we we we do have a testimony to truth.

We know right from wrong within us.

Arguably.

Even if we never had a bible.

Okay.

Uh that not many bibles and evidence.

But still being led by god.

And eventually they get led out of

that.

And not just

yeah.

Well that's.

Where the the gospel is clearly stated and it's uh it is uh inerrant and and

god breathed and so on.

And uh we do have a listener.

Uh who.

Uh.

This is jeff in clinton township michigan.

I am currently reading mark jones book on antinomianism and its

increase in popularity.

I'd like to know if you think this general trend of lawlessness both within the

church in our society will lead to the apostasy apostasy mentioned in second

thessalonians.

I don't know if you have an eschatological view on that but that's just what jeff from clinton township michigan asked.

Yeah i i'm sorry that's over my head.

Okay i don't know i don't know how to answer that one.

I'm just a poor.

Uh uh i'm a journalist who's a christian and i i look at the world.

I'm i'm not as and and

many of the.

Uh you you have the

bible and then you have what men

and we have hundreds of

have not just

you know is

are we going

to hear on the

earth.

We go when we die go somewhere and pass go and

collect two hundred dollars.

My i guess my view

repent of our

sins

to forgive.

I mean it says in the

we're meant

to live or

not

we're not

resenting and hating other people.

We're living in

romania.

Let's see.

I'm not

really a

student of it.

I appreciate it.

Um and with wnd

books we probably we

do have uh harrison in mechanicsburg pennsylvania who says i

know a number of friends.

Who have ceased to call themselves conservative not because they've become liberal

but because they believe that the term is inadequate and in fact no longer relevant

or correct.

Even if the book that we are discussing today the snapping of the american mind healing a nation

broken by a lawless government and godless culture what is there really to conserve.

Isn't this an oxymoron.

Well i'm not using the word.

In fact.

Wnd world

net daily.

Other people do because it's sane.

It's not left -wing liberal it's not blaming donald trump and republicans

for the orlando.

Okay conservative is not my favorite word.

It does sound a little contractive.

You're basically serving.

What's good.

Explain it.

It's not my favorite word but you know you sometimes you have to use words because conservative

talk radio and we

have to go to

a.

Break right now.

If you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own our email address is chris arnzen at gmail .com.

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broken by a lawless government and godless culture.

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And we do have arnie in perry county pennsylvania who asked.

At times it seems that this nation has drifted so far to the left

that it is irretrievable from leftism socialism marxism

and a perverse disaster heading our way even more grotesque than

we've already experienced.

I cannot see america being rescued from this trend other than a

miracle of god himself.

Can your guest comment on that.

Well i it's a great question and i think had the the

answer there at the end.

Uh a miracle from god.

I mean look i honestly i don't mean to sound trite but

heart beating our lungs breathing every this brain working it's all ongoing.

God sustains this.

And really because things are possible how can i ever

get to the point of saying no there's no hope.

That's like giving up on god and thinking that he cannot this country.

And and it's easy to think on

some level.

You know if i were god i would give up on this country.

Just look at the abortion and the the uh we're you know look at the kind of people we elect and the kind of

laws and the immorality and the insanity and the corruption.

Uh but we're not god and we don't really know what

his plan is for us here.

And i guess in a sense it has to be okay either way.

We have uh many examples in the first century

where in

meaning of life also.

Paul.

Um but i do

think it's possible.

The fact is we have we have many millions of people in america right now there are

in this country.

And you and me and

probably most we

don't necessarily agree.

And there are so many even more to

the point there are so many people that are alive today that

return this country to anything like it's it's former.

I am in no way going to give up

around and

pagan.

And it

was more to give

up if you stop

fighting

for what's right.

You absolutely for sure are

we have christopher in suffolk county long island.

Who asked have you ever heard of the book.

After the ball and how the homosexuals the homosexual

agendas accomplishments for the cause of evil in this

nation were not by accident but specifically planned and designed.

Yeah as a matter.

Of fact you mentioned earlier my first book the marketing of evil.

Yes uh the first chapter a

1989 book written by two trained

marketers uh named uh marshall kirk and hunter madsen and uh

these guys and they basically said okay this is how we're

going to mainstream homosexuality which remember a generation ago almost

of america

right.

He constructed in the first chapter

and i did a whole lot of me 10 chapters on 10

different subjects streaming of

it how the

heck is

this happening.

And and uh it's the techniques one two three this is

what we're going to do and they explain it.

And you look at what's happened in the last 20 years the

marketing of.

Evil.

Yeah it seems that the one of the greatest tools that the left has is appealing

to the consciences of men and women uh that they are victims

and the uh the fact that the homosexual movement has

hijacked the civil rights movement.

They have virtually become identified in this day and age as an ethnic

group or a nationality or a race and it is amazing

that the how much of the christian community even has been it seems

brainwashed by this and they will even borrow from the language of the left and refer to

homosexuals as being a part of the gay community and things such as that.

So it's uh it's pretty remarkable how that has been.

You know you're.

Right it's it's total emotional jujitsu emotional uh um manipulation.

The uh the you know you you appeal to guilt we had slavery in

this country

certain national guilt or shame going

on

which.

Obama.

Of course.

And then when you get to the gay rights movement they say how do we make this.

We're going to superimpose our paradigm on top of martin luther king

and

but

you know.

But but now

the lgbtq

rst there are many

uh many blacks who say how dare you.

Yeah okay how dare you take your cause and use our cause which is real.

And you know he grew up in

bathrooms and there

was a

mind of segregation in one generation thanks to the civil rights movement and

martin luther king which which is universally everybody agrees.

You want to use that paradigm and you stick your thing.

Now we want to have men be able to go and shower with with teenage girls and not just bathrooms.

It's the locker rooms and the showers.

That's what obama's uh transgender edict from a few didn't know

go in and be able to shower with your teenage daughter at

school if i more identify with the women

they are saying the charlotte

observer or the you know what.

In the

shower room.

Because we went through a lot of other discomfort previously this

room where people

actually buying into this comparison uh and this hijacking of a

noble movement the civil rights movement of the that's one of the many

techniques that the lgbt movement has used to mainstream.

Yeah a lot of.

People in the media have been using the smokescreen that what's the big deal about

the unisex uh bathrooms because especially in a woman's room people are in

women are in stalls they're not getting undressed in front of everybody but as you just said this is more than just

that.

These.

Are showers and schools and so on.

Well if you heard about the aclu the head of was it georgia alabama.

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah who who quit her job because the aclu is at the forefront of pushing this.

This whole transgender bathroom shower room a locker room thing.

She said oh i have three daughters my two youngest daughters were in a bathroom and three men

all of them over six feet tall with deep male voices

anymore and this

is a a black woman lawyer democrat.

You know you're just a famous.

There are many there

are many feminist women who were anti -gun.

They got mugged literally mugged and they became.

And they sometimes like paxton quigley written books uh about the importance of women carrying guns and so

forth.

So it's not a metaphor it's it's a reality.

So here's a lady who in a sense my children were actually this is

crazy i cannot see.

The agenda is becoming

so it's getting to be no

gender dysphoria.

The whole thing of men thinking they're women women thinking they're men has been considered a mental illness forever in

the diagnostic of

the symptoms of yeah this is what you've got.

This is the drug you need

to take that got

taken by as many things you

have a little boy that doesn't want to fit some bloody

boring teacher.

Okay and put

something

where 43 percent of everybody who's a

time in their life many times after they've had the transgender surgery.

This is not well known.

Okay trillion

cells every

one of which is permanently and

you cannot change.

A man can

become

a

woman

or

woman become

a man

that they got

their stage in homosexual behavior and you have a

conscience and even though you have temper you

i'm saying if

you're in this one

that same it feels like hate.

This is the biggest lie.

These christians are not full of hate.

That's what they've

done.

Let me let me

help you that

are i mean i get more death threats and more hateful email

from from harder than anybody else

of conscience.

So they have to force people

agenda is

it has no end to it.

Okay.

They have to put the light out in other people because otherwise that light still

god smiles

in our

country and says

okay uh we have.

Tyler back from mastic beach long island and he has a question.

Uh since the left has a tight clinch on our country do you think that we will

see more instances of church persecution like that of the openly homosexual

houston mayor demanding transcripts of pastors sermons

and um.

I think that uh sometimes uh we may exaggerate what

we are experiencing here in america as persecution because of we have brethren in other lands that are little

really being crucified and uh set on fire and so on.

But there is definitely a a more subtle form of persecution going on.

And if you could comment on what tyler has to say.

Yeah i think you put it.

Very well and i'm glad the fact that so

inflating the uh you know kim

you know

burned and i mean unspeakable things going on at the hands of uh of isis and other

islamic groups about you know africa

but yes the answer to his question is yes exclamation uh

more of this if you are going

black or gay equals that persecution

in blacks.

Or then what you're saying is that a bible believing

christian

all those day

if we're going on which witnesses will accept the

consequence of that is that if we had churches that get a that

a that get a excuse me a uh a tax exam and they are

if they were teaching are evil and

black people are evil you might well say i'm not even comfortable with them getting that's not even a

real church that that's an abuse.

It's like saying well i'm the church of satan i want my tax exemption you and i might say and i don't think so i don't

think that's what the founders had in mind that's not what the framers of the religious tax exemptions to go way back

had and that's where we're heading if we if it becomes

the law of the the culture and the law of the sensibility of the land that that any criticizing

uh anything lgbt we're going to

jail you know

there was the 30 days in

teaching against homosexuality in the pulpit in his church he was not on some

street corner or going to some other gay function okay in his own church it was finally

overturned by the supreme court of that country but before that happened he was actually a 70 year old preacher

was sentenced to 30 days in jail for what the bible says about homosexuality in

his church and that was years ago to

keep going the way

they are because look at it

this tragedy what's coming after that is there any chance

that we're not going to

have read the

legal arguments all

those arguments men and a wastebasket want to be

married consensual and that that is very much preacher

and you don't want to perform the ceremony kim

davis uh but um you know

that so that's where we're headed so

you you know appeasement there's something about appease name me

an instance when that actually happens yeah

and as

i've said before on this program

that uh people are pushing for the.

Rights so -called of children to make decisions on sexual

reassignment surgery and what would be very

fast on the heels of that to me is obvious pedophilia will be legalized because if

children can make a choice on what gender they are they can make a choice on who they have

sex with.

And sometimes it's going to be adults.

Oh that's absolutely true.

Because remember it used to be morality.

Morality has been replaced consensual.

It's okay.

Never mind morality.

Did you consent.

So that is going to be coming down down.

Whether it's sexual reassignment surgery which is the modern euphemism.

It's not

just my opinion.

Look

why

are we denying

children 10

years ago.

County maryland.

I grew up there.

Unbelievable.

No one is ever going to go for this.

Now it's like holy writ and it's coming from obama and all over the country.

And you are a bigot and a hater.

And shower.

And i mean

isis and their corruption.

Yes.

And what seems to

escape the attention of a lot of people.

Even a lot of conservatives in the media is that the homosexual activists are in

essence really saying that they are morally superior because if

heterosexuals had demanded access into women's rooms heterosexual men

had demanded access into ladies rooms they would be looked upon as perverts and the feminists would be the first

to say it.

But because it is homosexuals and transgendered people and on and on that somehow

changes the whole thing.

That it changes the the whole uh debate when if a if an

adult man wanted to take girl scouts out into the woods and sleep into the same tents with them that would

be obviously wrong uh.

But because it's a homosexual he should be allowed to have little boys in a tent with him because he would never do anything

wrong.

Of course.

Uh that's that's the uh message i'm getting from the left.

I don't know about you.

But that's the way.

Well yeah the left is full of contradictions and and double standards.

They align with islam that that hates women and pushes gays off of cliff.

It's the death penalty uh.

But.

But the thing is that with the hard left the real enemy is christianity.

Yes.

And and and that is if you if you can hang on to that and realize that then they're double standard and they're

contradictions.

And why don't the feminists care when this is happening to women.

And blah blah.

You know

when things become confusing

you have to look where.

Where does god we call it the left.

But that's that's really what it is and your website is wnd .com wnd

.com.

Thank you for being a guest again and i want everybody listening to always remember for the rest of their lives that jesus christ

is a far greater savior than you are a sinner.

Thank you for joining us again on iron sharpens iron and we look forward to your questions next time for our guests.

God bless.