June 15, 2016 Show with Scott Lively PLUS David Kupelian on “The Snapping of the American Mind: Healing a Nation Broken by a Lawless Government & Godless Culture”

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This is Chris Arntzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this 15th day of June 2016 and I'm delighted to have back on the program

Dr. Scott Lively for the first hour. He is founder and director of Abiding Truth Ministries.

He is probably most well known for his very controversial book co -authored with an Orthodox Jew named

Kevin Abrams titled The Pink Swastika, Homosexuality in the

Nazi Party and today we are going to be discussing more in the aftermath on the

Orlando massacre where over 50 lives were taken and over 50 more were wounded seriously in a nightclub featuring, or should

I say frequented by those heavily involved in homosexual activity and also those who support that lifestyle, who just join those who were identified as homosexuals in dancing and leisure time and celebration and all that kind of thing.

And in addition to that the nightclub where this tragedy took place is also, according to many reporters on the secular news, is a hub or a headquarters in Orlando for leaders within homosexual activism.

So we're going to be talking more about that in the aftermath of that horrific event with Scott Lively and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back

Dr. Scott Lively. Great to be back with you Chris and I'm speaking with you from Brasov, Romania where I'm on a personal fact -finding tour regarding the conservative sort of counter -revolution that's going on here in Eastern Europe.

Well that's fascinating. I gotta have you back on when you return to the

States after that trip, but why don't you, if you could, just give us a little bit more description about exactly what that is you're doing.

Scott? Hello Dr. Lively? Yes hello, you can hear me?

Yes now I can, we broke up there for a minute. Can you just give us a little bit more of a description about what you're doing there in Romania?

Yes well as most people are aware there is a really a worldwide reaction to the globalist campaign that's been going on that's involved the open border strategy of George Soros, the promotion of the far -left agenda including homosexuality and abortion, and people are fed up with it across the world and they're reacting to it.

Especially it's been triggered by the invasion, the third world invasion, into the countries of the

West. It's not just the United States, it's all through Europe, other countries, and so in Eastern Europe it's been very significant because this is the line, this has always been the line that has protected

Christian Europe from extremist, violent, jihadist

Islam going back all the way back to the you know 1000 AD. And so this current iteration involves countries like Hungary and Austria, should be yeah

Austria and Romania and other countries along this front, basically saying we are not going to put up with the open border strategy of the

EU, we are not going to put up with this continuous effort that showed the

LGBT agenda down our throats, and so they've been rising up in large numbers. In France the phenomenon with Le Pen and their political party, and you know

Trump in the United States, various different parties here in Europe. So I came to basically see what's really going on for myself.

And why don't you tell our listeners also about the letter you recently wrote to the Prime Minister of Hungary, which

I reposted on my own Facebook page. Yes, well Prime Minister Viktor Orbán of Hungary is a genuine stalwart conservative

Christian, and it's amazing that this is happening in Europe. You know the EU is even worse than the

Obama administration leftist agenda, if you can believe it. And here is this

Christian man that came into power, and in 2011 he led a change, amendment, revision to their constitution to declare that life begins at conception, that marriage is between one man and one woman.

And then more recently he has stood up to the EU open border strategy and said this country is not a welcome for Islamists and Muslims, this is a

Christian country and we are just not going to go along with it. And of course they've been attacking him like they attack me and anybody else who stands up on these issues.

The EU media, the elitists all across the continent here have been bashing him as a fascist and a hate monger like they do with anybody.

But he's shown tremendous courage. And so I wrote a, and then a couple of weeks ago

Bill Clinton singled out Hungary and Poland for criticism saying hey you know we

Americans shed blood in Europe and maintain the

Cold War to liberate your country and I guess democracy is too much trouble for you anymore.

Really obnoxious. And so my letter to the

Prime Minister is basically saying don't listen to this disgraced

US President or Obama or Hillary Clinton.

None of these people have the right to speak for the generation of Americans that died on the battlefields here in Europe because that generation was

Christian. And they did not shed their blood in order to open

Europe's door to homosexual marriage and jihadist

Islam. And so I put that letter out and actually it got picked up by some leaders of the

Christian Democrat Party and other people knew the Prime Minister. Apparently his supporters were actually really abuzz about the letter and it was very well received at least from the second tier.

I haven't heard anything directly about whether he actually saw it or how he responded. But we need to stand up for people who are showing courage in the face of all this ridiculous political correctness.

Yes when you use the phrase abuzz I was reminded that I failed to introduce you to my co -host

Reverend Buzz Taylor. Why don't you greet our guest Scott Lively. Well he was trying to get me introduced see

Chris. Very good to be on the show with you. It's great to be on with you

Buzz and that's an interesting name that could have been my nickname years ago.

I spent a long time smoking pot. Well I hear more people who think that's the reason

I got the name but actually I got it as a child because my middle name is

Busby. They called my father

John and they called me Buzzy. I had a neighbor named

Buzzy Palmer I remember. Back in those days nobody knew that that meant anything other than just a nice guy.

Of course you're giving away your age too now. Yeah well you know I'm actually probably older than that even but still.

Well our listeners could probably see that letter that you wrote to the Hungarian Prime Minister at defendthefamily .com

I'm assuming your website. Yeah that's there and also WorldNetDaily you're going to have its editor on next hour

David McFarland a wonderful guy. They've published another piece that I put out.

I mean I've just been, Lord's just been giving me all kinds of material but I did a piece. You know this is the anniversary of the

Magna Carta June 15th. 1215 was when the foundation of constitutional law really human rights grounded in that document and this is the anniversary and I did a letter on that calling people to pray for the liberation of England from the

European Union which is another example that Brexit vote that's going on where the

British are deciding whether they're going to remain captives to the new feudal system of the

EU or whether they're going to break free. That's the most important vote that's going on this year.

It's the most important aspect of the conservative counter -revolution that's going on in the world because England is the second most powerful economy of the

European Union and the European Union is a model for the one world government. It's basically they've been creating the framework for the infrastructure of this socialist global order using the

EU and if the Brits vote to leave it's going to be the biggest positive step for the freedom -loving nations in the world that we've had for a very long time.

So I put out a letter for that calling people to pray for the liberation of England.

Great. Well let's before we even get into the main discussion that we intended you to address, why don't you let our listeners know something about Abiding Truth Ministries and DefendTheFamily .com.

Well I started Abiding Truth, well DefendTheFamily .com is just the name of the website and I use the name

Defend the Family International when I travel outside the U .S. but Abiding Truth Ministries is a pro -family organization that I started while I was in law school.

I consider myself to be a missionary to the global pro -family movement. This has been my primary emphasis for a quarter of a century and Abiding Truth is basically the vehicle through which

I attract supporters and I'm funded through my newsletter and have the freedom to be able to do travels like I am right now and to just go wherever the

Holy Spirit opens the doors to do whatever it is the work is that needs to be done to help to encourage and equip pro -family activists and leaders wherever they might be and really

I've had some tremendous exciting adventures that this marks actually Romania marks the 50th country that I've been able to travel to and I'm here in the dining room of my host and hostess here in Brasov, Romania which is actually where the

Dracula's castle is which is also related to the you know really want to get some history here

Dracula is actually a literal historic figure is Vlad the

Impaler who you know some people already know this but a lot of people don't that he was one of the key you know bulwarks against the

Islamic invasion into Europe this line that we're on I'm actually I was in Hungary before and now

I'm here in Romania this is the line that were the ancient Christian kings who had real genuine menace to Christianity that where they held the line that was all that stood between Islamic conquest of the world and Christianity and they had not been able to stop those barbarous armies along this frontier then we would not be having this conversation and they didn't have to bring their troops and Vlad the

Impaler was I mean he was over the top and unfortunately he adopted the tactics of the adversary and got pretty far off base but he was one of a whole line of both you know the menace frontier during the last

Islamic invasion. Yeah let me just apologize to our listener that our guest

Scott Lively is cutting in and out on occasion but he is calling from Romania so we can cut him some slack in that regard and he is revealed

Vlad the Impaler is still revered by many people in Romania is he not? Well it's you know we visited the

Brian Castle which really I've been to castles all over isn't it a beautiful one

I've ever seen it was built in the 1400s and yeah they have pictures of him there

I don't know that he would necessarily be revered but they acknowledge the historical significance of what he did now actually and this is something

Bill Fetter I don't know if you've ever had Bill on your program but he puts out the American Minute who's really a tremendous historian.

Yes I have had Bill on about three times yes and he's done some tremendous work on all this he did a piece regarding what he said and I got this from him that Vlad the

Impaler learned the tactics that he used as a captive of the

Muslims and that the Sultan at that time was so powerful that Christian countries of Europe had to pay him a tribute every year and part of that tribute was 500 boys that were given to the

Sultan for homosexual sodomy and they were essentially male sexual slaves of the

Islamist roots and Vlad the

Impaler I don't know if he was one of the 500 but he was in their prisons during that that time period and that he witnessed the

Muslims using impaling as a method of torture and then when he escaped later he became a warlord and he used that tactic to drive the

Muslims back and he impaled something like 30 ,000 captives Muslim captives impaled the impalers as he fell back under the

Muslim advance along the road for miles and miles along the road as he impaled all of these impalers and then the the

Sultan eventually turned back he was it was too overwhelming even for him and stopped the advance of the

Muslim army. I know it's horrific but that's the history.

Okay well the main topic that we wanted to discuss with you today is in light of the horrific events that took place in Orlando this past Sunday morning where a nightclub frequented by those involved in homosexual activity in fact it's

I believe designed specifically for people of that inclination and and in fact as the as I was mentioning earlier news reporters have even called it a primary hub or headquarters of homosexual activists and we had obviously a man claiming connection with ISIS who murdered in cold blood over 50 of these people injured more and was himself shot to death and the secular society around us will attack

Christians evangelical Christians for both our opposition to Muslim terrorists by by bringing into question a religion that has helped spawn that kind of atmosphere in addition to the victims of this crime and they will try to perpetuate a lie that we by opposing radically opposing homosexual activity that we hate these people and delight in their death now it doesn't help it doesn't help matters when you have very evil people like Stephen Anderson and others who profess to be

Christians and are actually pastors of churches and of course we all know about the

Westboro Baptist Church and so on the God Hates Fags group but that doesn't help matters there are obviously charlatans not only within Christianity but within every other group but that doesn't help matters for us so we are left with a very delicate situation when we publicly speak as Christians in the aftermath of such a horrific

I don't think it's Chris I don't think it's all that delicate really I mean this is let's just speak plainly about what's really going on this was a gay on gay uh it's it's come out that the uh that Omar Mateen was himself homosexual uh he he was contacting people on a gay dating site uh he asked out his high school classmates romantically uh his ex -wife talked about his homosexual inclinations and uh and he had he had gone to this nightclub on numerous occasions and was uh this was a guy who was who was himself struggling with homosexuality quite obviously and that this is not uncommon at all uh in fact the the the latest if you if you actually just look in the news that homosexuals who have been murdered news stories about that invariably the secular media will treat this a homophobic hate crime uh hoping that it's going to turn out to be some

Christian activist or something and it almost always turns out to be another homosexual who's done it gay on gay violence and we're reminded that uh

Matthew Shepard who is the who is the symbol in fact he's named that the hate crimes act is the

Matthew Shepard hate act uh that was enacted by our congress uh that it came out 10 years after the fact by a gay journalist that Matthew Shepard was killed by his former sex partners uh and the you know this is one after another that the person the the the uh the leader of sexual minorities

Uganda in Africa uh who is it's part of the lawsuit that by uh these

Marxist law firm out of New York uh that the key point in their in their of their suit is that the murder of David Cato uh which and they don't reveal to the court that uh that the that the man actually killed in prison in Uganda having confessed to the crime and it turns out to be a gay prostitute

Cato you know out of jail to be his living lover and houseboy you know and it's just one after the other after the other of uh of these gay on gay uh murders and that's that's what's going on it's absolutely horrific

I have tremendous sympathy empathy for people who are victimized by this no one deserves to be attacked like this and uh you know

I pray that every one of those people that died had come to the saving knowledge of Christ in their life

I don't want anybody to have to suffer but we don't have to be to pass around this uh this is a uh this is demonic really you want to get right down to the bottom line this isn't about a crazy person doing something well this is this is demonic activity and uh and and so I and it's an opportunity to point out to the world around us that the spiritual world is real that demons are real but they can possess human beings and when they do that they engage in this type of behavior that's one of the one of the ways that you recognize that it's demonic is the gross evil that's involved in it

I agree with you 100 percent and I guess perhaps I misspoke in the way I phrased that we have a delicate situation what

I mean is that uh we have to be careful in the way we speak publicly because there are obviously uh those encircled around us ready to pounce and twist our words and so on we have to be very clear what we mean when we speak and we have to well and you know they're going to do that anyway yes that is true of course and they don't care what the facts are when it when it came out about Matthew Shepard nobody changed not only in the left changed the rhetoric one bit right uh they just pretended that that it hadn't been revealed and the same thing with this they don't care that the that the that the that the shooter uh was himself gave air and there's a story being covered right now by the

BBC regarding the Jamaicans being very upset the

U .S. Embassy in Jamaica has flown the rainbow flag in uh in Jamaica at the embassy in reaction to the uh the uh the slaughter the

Orlando slaughter and the Jamaican saying it's completely inappropriate uh to do that in our country we do not support this and uh uh but that's but this is an example of these people who use any opportunity any pretext to advance their agenda and uh and it doesn't matter what the facts are yes and uh it is a shame that even

I mean when I watch Fox News on occasion it even appears that some of those uh pundits and so on on Fox News who are coming from allegedly a conservative worldview they even seem to uphold the victims in this horrific tragedy as some kind of heroic figures

I mean we we obviously uh want to have compassion uh with the the not only the surviving victims of this attack but also the families who are grieving deeply we may have many brethren in Christ who are grieving deeply over the slaughter of their children or their siblings or their parents even uh but uh the uh it is it is a it is a tragedy a double tragedy when wickedness is upheld as some kind of a noble heroic virtue in the aftermath of something like this that's that's exactly right and that point is it's very important to recognize that the analogy to this to that is what happened in France when the latest big terror attack there in France I mean the big one there was another one just the other day these are going on all over the world all the time of these

Muslim radicals but uh but the big one uh against Charlie Hebdo Magazine uh and then all of a sudden all across Europe these just we

Charlie right I am Charlie well Charlie Hebdo Magazine was obnoxiously atheistic and profane magazine that uh that no you know uh right thinking person no

Christian person would ever uh be be applauding uh and yet the that the leftist mindset is the way that we respond to these things is not to learn the spiritual lesson that uh you know to bring back

God to ask God to protect our society by by restoring our relationship with them that's not the only thing that this stuff is going to get fixed if it ever does so but instead of doing that you know we just sort of have to engage in this you know uh you know collective uh reassurance of each other by doing this lame response of I am

Charlie oh in America and plays right into the political agenda they want everybody to now in response to this to say oh

I am gay right I'm going to you know we're all going to fly the rainbow flag in in response to the

Orlando tragedy uh and that you actually are supposed to show you over us no absolutely not that we we have sympathy for the people that were murdered we acknowledge the great tragedy that took place those people were innocent uh they were not they did not deserve to be shot down in cold blood uh in that dating bar they didn't deserve that at all but that does not the fact that they were murdered doesn't legitimize sodomy right that's that's the wrong answer and but that's what's going on so all the

American embassies flying the rainbow flag is is a is really a cynical uh opportunistic uh act it's a it's an act of it's a it's a gross violation of of the lives of the people that were killed basically saying we're going to use your as a way to advance our our uh our political uh to our political advantage that is obscene yes and we're going to be going to a break right now if you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own our email address is chris arnzen at gmail .com

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and we apologize that the phone connection isn't as clear as we would like but he is calling from romania so i want you to keep that in mind and we thank him so much for taking the time out of his busy schedule in romania to call especially since it's very late at night there we do have uh let me uh get my uh co -host question before i go to a listener reverend buzz taylor just to put this in perspective um scott you talked about how it it's demonic the the uh the behavior and so forth of trying to take uh tragedies like this and use it for your political agenda and all and and i'm just you know i was thinking of the name of your ministry abiding truth ministries and i just think you know we ought to throw this in perspective that uh truth is more powerful than than error and uh we do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against principalities powers and you know spiritual wickedness and high places and all those things that we're told about and you know we understand that satan is the father of lies would you at least address the fact that uh just because satan is the father of lies doesn't mean that lies are more powerful than the truth well you know uh unfortunately for for us and of course we know how the the end of the book comes out but unfortunately you know the the devil is the prince of this world until the lord comes back and and claims his throne and uh and we have to to to deal with the fact that uh that we're surrounded by uh we we exist in a spiritual realm and and demons actually exist angels can take human form and walk among us the scripture says but demons can't do that uh they can influence and in some cases possess human beings like ride them like a horse and uh and that happens and anyone who doesn't have christ uh protecting him in fact i had a romanian cab driver the other day that uh uh coming back from the train station and it was in broken english talking about how much he likes reading the occult materials and and uh in new age and all that and and i know he wouldn't that didn't understand very well so i just wanted very simply to say listen my friend that don't go wandering in the spiritual realm without jesus or you might be taken by demons and that's you know that this day and age with christianity sort of being so material materialistic and and not focused on spiritual things that sounds you know sort of old world uh archaic that's the bible and that's the truth and when people uh when people open their their hearts to wickedness the demons are are there ready to take advantage of that and then someone like this uh you know omar mateen that if that if omar had repented and accepted christ uh he would be able to sit around the table with us and have a wonderful enlightened conversation but he didn't he went another direction he opened his life to the demonic realm and and and they used him like he's a zombie they used him in order to be able to rob kill and destroy that's the satanic agenda and it isn't just him you know i did another article that they just put out recently that only jesus is stronger than the isis demons and we're not going to stop incidents like this by by you know community awareness or candlelight vigils or you know chanting your sweet charlie uh or or more police state surveillance and cameras that's not going to stop this you can't stop the demons uh in any of those ways they're stronger than any human efforts it's only jesus has the authority over the demonic realm and if you don't belong to christ and if your nation doesn't belong to christ then you better get ready because it just gets worse from here yeah i mean people uh often wonder how a an entire nation like germany in the early part of the 20th century could have been captivated and hypnotized by somebody like hitler but i think that the demonic realm is the perfect explanation of how a whole whole community of people a whole nation of people could could follow you know you know i'm about to publish a prophecy book i wasn't going to get off into this but but a big part of it is about the the history of the anti -christ and uh society and uh and one you know small portion of it deals with the fact that germany excavated the seat of in pergamos uh the uh the turkish city or as you know it was the kingdom of pergamum in revelation i think it's chapter two basically it says i talked about where satan dwells whereas his seat and throne is well the germans found that they dug it up and brought it back to germany and in the process that was actually when friedrich nietzsche arose in germany started declaring that god is dead and uh and introduced that whole demonic philosophy into germany and then and then from that point forward germany was just captivated by a demonic uh influence and and actually and still today and i've actually i actually received a a personal biblical tour of berlin by colonel eugene bird who had been the commandant of spandau prison where the nazi war criminals uh were kept after the number of trials and uh he took me to that to the pergamum museum where the seat of satan and the the isis the isis gate from babylon which the jews called the gate to hell it's got 337 dragon figures on it the the gematra of that is the is hell it's called the both of those things are still there in germany uh today uh the uh those two are and you know hitler arose in the midst of all that and of course he was one of the most the clearest anti -christ figures uh in all of human human history and so when you see people like hitler arise or or or stalin or a pole pot or a jeffrey darmer or omar mateen you should be able to unless your mind is completely clouded over with with false thinking you should be able to recognize that that the spiritual warnings of the bible are true and take appropriate action the appropriate action go to the only source that has the power to protect you which is jesus christ who died on the cross and rose from the dead to pay the price for us as a ransom for us he's the only one who has the authority over the demonic realm and uh and so uh that should be that should be the lesson from the orlando slaughter every single person that survived that every single family member that's mourning the loss should be waking up and and saying i will turn from my secular false thinking i will receive jesus christ as my savior and i will ask for him to come back into authority into the united states of america so we can have the kind of security and prosperity that we used to have when we were a christian nation we do have a listener in mastic beach long island new york tyler who says would you say that the waving of the rainbow flags in the embassies across the world is also a violation of the political relationships we have with other nations who do not agree with their agenda and i'm assuming when he says do not agree with their agenda the agenda of the rainbow flag i'm assuming that's what he means by that yeah yeah well there's two problems with with the rainbow flag first of all it doesn't belong to them the rainbow belongs to god uh the the rainbow is the symbol of the authority and presence of god's peace in places in scripture uh where that's made crystal clear uh of course the where god you know uses it as the promise of his covenant and then in ezekiel 128 uh where it uh is uh it's identifying that the presence of god is in the rainbow and then in revelation i think it's four uh three that uh where basically that the that the rainbow emanates from the throne of god so it's it's intimately associated with the person of of god the father so it's absolutely no connection in fact it's an affront to god for people who are engaging in practices that god has called an abomination and then he incinerated sodom and gomorrah over for that for people who identify with that lifestyle to be using the rainbow is absolutely blasphemous uh and wrong uh so but that's that's one problem but then the second problem is that the fact that it is associated with sodomy uh in in the minds of most people of the world now uh for the for the u .s

embassies and other people both i wrecked uh challenge and contradiction to the values of the countries where the embassies are established that's the second problem you know it's interesting how uh much of society believes that they are not violating uh or promoting i should say they're not they're they're not promoting a religion or violating anyone else's religion when they for instance in a secular news broadcast will affirm homosexuality as a completely acceptable lifestyle if not a wonderful lifestyle not only to be tolerated but to celebrate but whenever you have someone in any role of the secular society uh taking a posture like that there really aren't they teaching a religion because they are saying they're teaching the tenets of a religion because they're saying that christianity is wrong about that so if you're saying that a religion such as christianity or even orthodox judaism uh or even islam uh if if you are saying that all these collective religions who have stood against homosexuality for centuries are wrong about this issue you are taking a religious position aren't you one of the first books that i read in uh in law school in uh my constitutional law class i had tremendous uh he was actually the dean of the school at the time also con law professor david llewellyn uh one of the first books he had us read was uh was titled the myth of religious neutrality that uh that there is no religious neutrality that all conclusions that you can hold uh rest on an ultimate position uh you know all of our all the things we can we can conclude is a whole stack of bricks that that that hold them up of presupposition upon presupposition and the very ultimate presupposition has to be about where everything begins about origins and that's it that is by by nature by definition that is a religious concept and and so there is there is a genuine uh non -sectarian secular perspective all they're all it's all religious and that's that's important to recognize especially when you think about the founding fathers the secular society that they gave us they didn't they didn't uh have a definition of secular that we do secular to them was a was a a christian stewarded society that assumed the the truth of the ten commandments and the bible those were those were presuppositions of the founding documents themselves but they called it secular because it wasn't theocratic and it wasn't denominational and that is uh that's the big difference today what they call what they mean by secularism is atheism which is the it's anti -religion anti -biblical christianity it's anti uh torah -based judaism uh it's anti all the other religions of the world too but but it is a religion yes and uh in fact i was even having a discussion with somebody on the internet who was saying in light of the the events in orlando that all religions are messed up and he didn't use the phrase messed up and i i responded to him that he had his own religion because he is a specific theological position on god that god does not exist and therefore people are wrong for even assembling and gathering around something they believe to be religiously or theologically or doctrinally true that is a doctrinal and theological position yeah so it is it is and and that that is actually secular humanism is really i think the better rather than atheism secular humanism is really the better definition of what they're at what they espouse i actually think secular humanism is the religion of the anti -christ in the end times that uh it it it uh it is the a religion that's really what our what our supreme court did education 1947 uh that uh uh justice hugo black a member of the ku klux klan and a uh uh and really who is roosevelt's uh fdr's agent on the court to make changes in the direction of of marxism uh that he adopted thomas jefferson's metaphor separation of church and state as a constitutional law principle never was never was one it still isn't today but the court adopted and established it as a constitutional law principle and said that all religions have to be treated equally by united states government from that point and what they did effectively was second thessalonians chapter two they adopted the anti -christ agenda and the court itself took up upon itself the authority uh uh to declare uh itself above god and everything worshipped as god putting it under the feet of the court the court made itself the arbiter of religions and said that all these religions are now equal and equally subservient to the secular humanist court that was the beginning of the of the end that's the beginning of the unraveling and the dechristianization of in 1961 little black dropped the other shoe in which he declared that atheism officially by the by the by this particular ruling was a religion toward which the united states government must be neutral in effect giving every milton atheist in america the legal power to go out into the world find the emblems and and uh and and practices of christianity wherever they could be found and to drive them out of public life using the courts uh that was you know and of course the biggest domino to fall immediately was prayer of the public schools in 1963 and the rest is history but that's what really that's what we're facing here and all these people that you know the person you're referencing the people that were sending me hate mails all day you know saying oh you're responsible for this because you speak against homosexuality uh these people are they they have a secular humanist religion that is that theology is is based on its opposition to christianity and these very same people even though they don't like islam and things that it does they are so hateful toward christianity that they want to flood america with islamic radicals as a way to to neutralize christianity that they're that they're willing to allow that you know without it's very short -sighted obviously but that's a large part of what's going here and in europe these are secular humanist anti deists and it is ironic because if uh this nation that we live in were to become an islamic theocracy with sharia law the liberals would have their heads on the chopping block before any of the first ones maybe the first ones killed right and then actually that's and they are in a lot of these places where are the where are the are the islamist terrorists going they're going to places where they're populated mostly by secular eminence the very people that are that are rolling out the red carpet for them are the ones being slaughtered now of course not all liberals or atheists or agnostics are in favor of that kind of agenda you even have people as much as i despise much of what bill maher has to say he is openly critical of islam and actually mocks he mocks his liberal colleagues and friends for being protective of them while being critical of christians and then of course you know you have people like the late christopher hitchens and others that were would never be in favor of any kind of islamic overrun of the country but um i guess it comes down to whose ox is being gored i think bill maher has uh his allegiances that make him more sensitive to uh islamic radicalism than other lefties uh but uh but he's he is he's being a hypocrite completely inconsistent in uh in his position against islam and uh you know being against christianity when christianity has protected the world from islam wherever it has prevailed and uh and you know radical uh secular humanism is incapable of protecting anyone from it yeah and of course you have people like bill maher who are so much uh invest have so much invested in the freedom of speech that even a liberal like him despises the thought police controlling every word that is spoken in the public arena so you do you do occasionally have you know there's also there's also just one more thing chris on that point is that um there is actually a fair amount of overlap and you see this with the trump sanders uh phenomenon going on there that there is on both the left and the right there is a there is a uh a rebellion against the globalist agenda uh and uh and there's some common ground in this that i i am i speak very forcefully against predatory corporatism and in that i stand shoulder to shoulder with a lot of hard leftists and uh and there are other things where we have uh but the real where the rubber meets the road though and uh is that uh both sides in fact i think the polarization the liberal conservative polarization is uh is actually orchestrated i think the elites keep us divided british empire always divided up every nation that it conquered and moved people around to keep them so they couldn't organize i think the whole population of america is divided right left on purpose uh but but when it comes down to it the globalists will always go they believe in a collectivist approach and uh you know and then you know they may they may throw rocks and things uh through bank windows but uh but as it just as a philosophy uh general philosophy socialism is easier to uh to get people to uh yeah and individualism of conservatism and so that's why hillary clinton uh the okay you know what's really interesting is that i was having dinner here with uh some people here in romania and this man who barely speak a word of english just blurts out in the middle we weren't even talking politics and he said hillary clinton is a communist this is a man who lived under communism yeah you know but but so but clinton is it clinton is a is a is a communist but she also has the globalist she she's she's the one that the elites are going to ride with because she represents the half of the split this this polarization it's easier for them to control well well illicit comment yeah well hillary clinton herself in especially when the the race was closer between her and the openly socialist bernie sanders she wasn't saying how can you american citizens even consider voting for a socialist she wasn't saying that she was saying oh there is not much difference between us at all she kept saying that over and over again in fact still does uh well you know she was a student of uh saul alinsky and you know rules for radicals and all that same as obama so you know that's that's going on and but but along that same track and this is a point that i've been making that uh i think that uh over a large extent marxists have defeated the christians in america and that uh we and that what we used to be comfortable with this sort of relatively civilized liberal versus conservative paradigm is morphed into nationalism versus communism which the christians have much less influence and uh and and the and stage is now in the and in the field it has has two teams on it that you know we have been that we you know what who you choose right and the way things are are have shaped up and that is that's happening around the world also with uh with all these countries that i'm traveling through right now this that what used to be liberal conservative is now nationalist versus communist and uh and uh and things are very different it's a whole new ball game this is like 1932 germany there's nothing like this ever we've never had an election like this in american history we have it in world history in germany and it's it's the same i'm not saying that that donald trump is a nazi uh by any stretch of the imagination or any of his followers he really has a sort of a nationalistic populism which is very different than what hitler had but that's what it is nationalism versus communism not liberal versus conservative anymore and uh you know i don't know what we're gonna we're gonna see happen uh as a result of the coming election well i just am thankful that i believe in a sovereign god and i'm not to put my trust in princes and no matter what the outcome is as a christian i know that romans 8 28 will still be in effect for amen for those of us who love the lord 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forward slash iron sharpens today welcome back this is chris arnson and our guest for the next hour is david kapelian an award -winning uh journalist vice president and managing editor of world net daily an editor of whistleblower magazine and widely read columnist he is also the best -selling author of the marketing of evil which i interviewed david on a number of years ago and today we are going to be discussing the snapping of the american mind and i'm very excited to discuss this book the subtitle is healing a broken uh healing a broken healing i'm sorry healing a nation broken by a lawless government and godless culture and let me just read a couple of the endorsements that this book has received by people that most of you probably have heard of uh sean hannity top -rated radio and television host and author says david kapelian is one of the most thought -provoking and iconoclastic writers i know agree or disagree david is a must read if you really want to understand the world we live in and where it's headed dinesh d'Souza who is another individual that many of us recognize david kapelian's the snapping of the american mind chronicles the decline and fall of america and shows that it is no accident but rather a direct result of progressive misrule an eye -opening scary and galvanizing book and finally david barton historian author and founder of wall builders says many writers have chronicled the far left's destructive influence on america her culture institutions and government but in the snapping of the american mind david kapelian makes it crystal clear that the left's first and ultimate target is none other than the american mind itself in an era when our nation's judah judeo -christian foundation is coming under increasingly open and brutal attack kapelian's powerful and redemptive book couldn't have come at a better time well with all those accolades this is obviously a a book that is well worth our attention and we welcome you back after a long absence to iron sharpens iron david kapelian hey chris good to be with you yeah sorry i'm a little tongue tied today but uh hopefully that will be ironed out during the midst of the rest of the program and uh my co -host that i'd like to introduce you to at this time is the reverend buzz taylor greet our guest david kapelian buzz greetings david good to have you on the show hey buzz good to be with you and before we even go into the main subject of the snapping of the american mind tell us about world net daily uh for those of our listeners who are discovering you for the first time in the world net daily organization well the most interesting thing maybe for your audience about world net daily which now goes by the name wnd kind of like kentucky fried chicken is now kfc everything is the corporate three letters but but we've been around for 20 years which is a like a millennium in internet time um but um wnd is actually the largest christian content site in the world wow uh and more than any ministry more than any other uh news site uh it has got a huge traffic on it and even though it does not say you know you're a christian source for news pretty much everybody here is a christian a lot of homeschoolers among the staffers here and uh the the worldview that informs the uh the all you know professional journalists we have people from you know cnn at msnbc associated press all over but these are all people that were round pegs and square holes and they could not fit in the increasingly crazy um uh you know media the new york times this morning came out with an editorial saying that that republicans were responsible for the orlando uh isis um uh you know um uh terror massacre okay so you know we we have a problem with the press in this country so you have fortunately a a um an alternative press has come about that it comprises mostly the internet and talk radio uh you can put fox news in there if you like i do i i think they're they're they're a couple cuts above anything else on on tv um but uh wid in particular has been out there as long as the drudge report since you know 20 years basically 1970 uh 1997 um and uh it's uh you know founded by joseph farah who's a well -known mainstream journalist but he is a a uh he's a an arab american christian um and a and a terrific journalist uh and so he's the founder i'm the vice president and managing editor and uh we've been doing this and trying to save the country for for 20 years and uh we're going to continue pedaling as fast as we can for as long as we can well uh this book that is hot off the press the snapping of the american mind healing a nation broken by a lawless government and godless culture the the title itself is very self -explanatory but if you could anyway give our listeners uh your motivation behind writing this book in light of the fact that you have addressed this main theme here before even in the marketing of evil and so on if you could what what makes this book unique well chris i mean i'm i'm in my 60s i grew up in the real america i remember vividly i mean i was i was in the news media during the reagan uh years i i i remember uh vividly what it was like to have the greatest strongest most unified uh judeo -christian nation in the history of the world it you know it was like just scarcely more than 25 years ago that reagan was president we're not talking about something like in the civil war era and this nation has changed rapidly over the years and and the marketing of evil i basically show how we were sold on all these uh wild uh changes that have really just destroyed they destroyed the family marriage our country our culture our economy everything um and how evil works was the follow -up to that but the snapping of the american mind is really focusing on the kind of the end game of what the left has done and is doing to america and we have to understand when we say the left the right these are really code words you know what does this mean the left it's just a four -letter word and what what is encompassed in that it's almost like you know i'm driving down the road i turn right i turn left it's like a moral equivalent some people believe this some people believe that no it's a lot more like right and wrong right the uh i i wrote a a column that recently about how the left cannot operate cannot even exist without constantly violating all of the ten commandments and i went through the ten commandments one by one and i showed thou shalt not kill okay or commit murder if you want to take it more properly um so we have three thousand little babies that are killed every single day in the womb that's the same number of people that died on 9 11 thou shalt not steal well what is wealth redistribution but but a really annoying euphemism for stealing thou shalt not commit adultery the the entire sexual revolution which includes this ever -growing lgbtq whatever the next letters are a revolutionists keep unfolding and now we get you know the most important thing in america to barack obama right now is that that men be allowed to pee in the in the girls bathroom okay this is this is this is what we have we have come to but the the sexual revolution which is completely a creature of the left okay that is based on on basically adultery on on breaking the bounds of of you know look biblically sex is sacred period full stop sex is sacred and is confined to a marriage between a man and a woman that's the core of morality if you want to put the whole all of leviticus and everything else into one sentence that's really what it's about and if we were to follow that common sense says we would eliminate all kinds of horrible problems and and and aids and immorality and illegitimate children and abortion and all the rest of it but uh you know 50 60 70 years ago the left said you know what these judeo -christian morals that have done america very well for hundreds of years and western civilization for thousands of years they stink there let's throw them out the window let's create our own reality okay and so today that has metastasized into basically not just gender fluidity but reality fluidity reality is whatever you want it to be so what i'm saying in the snapping of the american mind basically is that this is this is in full bloom now we're not talking just about oh well we're breaking our traditional morality and we have new we have you know same -sex weddings and so forth i'm saying that tens of millions of americans are addicted to mind -altering mood -altering drugs let me put a number to that 50 million america there's 330 million americans men women and children all together of them 50 million are dependent on mind -altering psychiatric drugs and another 25 million are taking some of the same drugs illegally okay getting them from dope pushers instead of from doctors 60 million are abusing alcohol you have 110 million million not thousand 110 million with sexually transmitted diseases i mean it sounds like all the grown -ups are are are addicted or are behaving in grossly immoral ways so we have a very very broken country which just the top tier statistics show uh a murder has gone up in major cities doubled this year uh the suicide rate we keep hearing about suicide and opioid and heroin addiction in in the middle class the white middle class not just the suburbs this is you know these are the headlines we've been hearing for months and i'm here to say there's a reason for all this it's not just people are suddenly going crazy for no reason at all they are being driven by the the fundamental transformation quote unquote of america by the hard left which has given us the sexual promiscuity has given us the idea there is no god there's no right and wrong you can screw around with anything that moves you can basically live like an animal and and we and but the fact is there is a god and we do have a conscience and we do have conflict when we break his laws okay and that's why we get up addicted to drugs and all the rest of it and so to put it in one sentence the left is literally driving the rest of the country stark raving mad into suicide into drugs into all the things you see in the and i go and i point i may sound like i'm ranting right now but this is a serious prosecutorial indictment with you know 400 end notes full of peer -reviewed studies uh in the book that basically show prove i will use the word prove that the left is destroying the mind and the sanity and the happiness of regular americans we do have tyler again in mastic beach long island he has been very uh faithful in and sending in questions every day practically uh tyler in mastic beach long island new york says would you say that the consequence of our modern society being dependent on the thoughts of fallen men in adam is the result of our ignorance of truth and biblical literacy well yeah the the you know who is it um some of famous scientists like newton and galileo um they said look we we have god's the testimony to god in basically two places okay we have it in in in nature we have it in the revealed word in the holy scriptures okay uh but you know god himself and the bible says i will write my laws in their hearts so therefore partly it's a lack of biblical literacy and that certainly is what has been you know look the ten commandments were basically the core of of of western uh judeo -christian western civilizations morality law uh it's just a sensibility about how we treat fellow souls okay that that's that we don't steal right away the idea of don't stealing means there is private property so there goes socialism and communism okay they could from the very get -go they conflict with the ten commandments okay um so so uh partly it's biblical literacy but partly it's it's we have been seduced away from the understanding of really we we call it common sense i wish it were more common but common sense is a conscience is a gift from god if if you're a little kid and somebody steals from you you know that was wrong even if your parents don't have a ten commandments plaque on the wall somewhere oh there it says right there thou shalt not steal i thought it was fine until i saw that no it's written in your heart we know right from wrong in fact that's what conscience means conscience conscience means with knowing okay so we have a knowing of right and wrong that's why lie detectors uh polygraph machines work because they detect the conflict we have when we lie it registers in our body um so yes your your the tyler's question is correct but it's it's partly that uh the the bible is what like keeps us in the straight and narrow it's it's the it's it's the guidebook uh but the thing is that how do we know the bible is true the quran says it's true okay so how do we know it's not the quran because there is an inner testimony you hear the story of jesus the greatest story ever told and there's something in us that says that resonates true because god put a little bit of himself a little bit of a conscience just to just to drop and each of us so that we could recognize truth uh when we hear it so um yeah that's that's a good question and romans 1 basically said that men know the truth but suppress it uh so we right there's no excuse because we we we do have a testimony to truth we know right from wrong within us arguably even if we never had a bible okay uh it we we there's and i believe there are people that live in parts of the world where there's not many bibles and evidence but still there's a good soul that's being led by god and eventually they get led out of that hellhole where they are and they go and find a place where they can live free and and read the bible and so forth so god has a ways of working with us directly and not just through the bible but he does lead us there because that's the one place where the the truth is sort of all there under one cover it's essential yeah well that's where the gospel is clearly stated and it's uh it is uh inerrant and and god breathed and so on and uh we do have a listener uh who uh this is jeff in clinton township michigan i am currently reading mark jones book on antinomianism and its increase in popularity i'd like to know if you think this general trend of lawlessness both within the church and in our society will lead to the apostasy apostasy mentioned in second thessalonians i don't know if you have an eschatological view on that but that's just what jeff from clinton township michigan asked yeah i i'm sorry that's over my head okay i don't know i don't know how to answer that one i'm just a poor uh uh i'm a journalist who's a christian and i i look at the world through a a christian worldview um but i'm i'm not as as well read and sophisticated in some and many of the uh look there's a whole world of church doctrine which is you you have the bible and then you have what men have done with it for 20 centuries okay and we have hundreds of varieties of the i'm talking just in the christian church now okay uh we have not just you know protestantism and catholicism we have every type of variety and even when it comes to prophecy uh there's there's every type of of possible uh interpretation of what the prophecies including revelation mean and uh whether they've come to pass or what and what you know is are we going to have a thousand years of jesus here on the earth or is it going to be this or where do we die where do we go when we die do we go to sleep do we go directly to heaven do we go somewhere and pass go and collect two hundred dollars it's like uh and all those things are are are worthy to think about but my i guess my view is more like what did jesus talk about the first word he used and recorded ministry is repent we we we are meant to be introspective be honest to repent of our to forgive that's huge we're meant to forgive others i mean it says in the you know lord's prayer forgive us as we forgive those who trespass against us and after he's over he says by the way let me pound this home again if you will forgive others your heavenly father will forgive you if you don't forgive others neither will your heavenly father forgive you that that's kind of the level that i am okay we're meant to live this this life where we are humble and we're not judging other people you know we're not we're not resenting and hating other people we're living like one of my favorite people is richard wormbrand the road tortured for christ okay he was being tortured by these communist jailers 30 feet underground in romania and he said they don't have any room for god in their heart i'm not going to have any room for hate in my heart okay so i'm i'm more on living on that uh that level of what of what is important to me as a uh as i like to think of myself as a christian believer um and so i'm a little lightweight when it comes to all of the you know the the the the theories and the speculations about the prophecy i'm not really a student of it i appreciate it um and with wnd books we publish a lot of books on it and i read some of them but it's not really where my role my passion is i guess i'd say right so we do have harrison in mechanicsburg pennsylvania who says i know a number of friends who have ceased to call themselves conservative not because they've become liberal but because they believe that the term is inadequate and in fact no longer relevant or correct even if the book that we are discussing today the snapping of the american mind healing a nation broken by a lawless government and godless culture what is there really to conserve isn't this an oxymoron well i'm not using the word conservative to describe the book um the in fact wnd world net daily conspicuously does not ever i i repeat ever describe itself as conservative other people do because it's sane it's not left -wing liberal it's not blaming donald trump and republicans for the the the crazy jihadist that killed 49 people in orlando okay um but conservative is not my favorite word it does sound a little contractive uh it's an okay word because you are conserving you're basically you're holding to judeo -christian values you're conserving what's good from the past that that's how people try to explain it it's not my favorite word but you know you sometimes you have to use words because if i'm describing somebody who says look a conservative talk radio you know uh versus the few liberals i mean it's it's a useful word because you have to have you have to use words but they don't always they're not perfect all right so say it's my answer to that and we have to go to a break right now if you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com

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that's linbrookbaptist .org welcome back this is chris arnzen if you just tuned us in for the last half hour and the half hour to come our guest uh for the second half of iron sharpens iron today has been and continues to be david kapelian and we are discussing his book the snapping of the american mind healing a nation broken by a lawless government and godless culture if you'd like to join us on the air our email address is chris arnzen at gmail .com

chris arnzen at gmail .com and we do have arnie in perry county pennsylvania who asked at times it seems that this nation has drifted so far to the left that it is irretrievable from leftism socialism marxism and a perverse disaster heading our way even more grotesque than we've already experienced i cannot see america being rescued from this trend other than a miracle of god himself can your guest comment on that well i it's a great question and i think you're the questioner had the the answer there at the end uh a miracle from god i mean look i honestly i don't mean to sound trite but our whole lives are are a miracle i mean our heart beating our lungs breathing every this brain working it's all ongoing god sustains this we we you know people ask me this all the time is there hope and really because uh jesus said with god all things are possible how can i ever get to the point of saying no there's no hope that's like giving up on god and thinking that he cannot let god has blessed this country we have really screwed it up royally uh and and it's easy to think on some level you know if i were god i would give up on this country just look at the the abortion and the the uh we're you know look at the kind of people we elect and the kind of laws and the immorality and the insanity and the corruption uh but we're not god and we don't really know what his uh you know short -term plan is for us here and i guess in a sense it has to be okay either way we have uh many examples in the christian world going back to the first century where even if things are really rotten for us personally and we're in prison you can still find the joy and meaning of life and that's a great mystery but that that is possible paul wrote some of his best stuff from from jail the apostle paul um but i do think it's possible the fact is we have we have many millions of people in america right now there are simply appalled at what is going on in this country and they are just like your your questioner and you and me and probably most of your your listeners um they if they could make it different they would we we don't necessarily hold on to a lot of the the levers of power here but we do at the ballot box that's one place but but but really i i think there's so many people that have fought and and bled and and died for our country and there are so many even more to the point there's so many people that are alive today that that would do anything to return this country to anything like its its former uh virtue that uh i am in no way going to give up on this country uh it it looks bad but you know what i was around and during the the carter era and it looked pretty rotten then and uh and then we had reagan and it was morning in america so we i'm i'm not making a total comparison there's a lot more bad stuff going on now than there was then i'm just saying god is god is good at this stuff and uh so i'm not gonna i'm not gonna say it's not it's not possible and besides if we give up then we've definitely lost if you stop fighting for what's right you absolutely for sure are going to lose so how does it make sense to to give up uh we uh have christopher in suffolk county long island who asked have you ever heard of the book after the ball and how the homosexuals the homosexual agendas accomplishments for the cause of evil in this nation were not by accident but specifically planned and designed yeah as a matter of fact you mentioned earlier my first book the marketing of evil yes uh the first chapter of that book is all about after the ball this is a 1989 book written by two very clever harvard train marketers uh named uh marshall kirk and hunter madsen and uh these were very you know very smart very high iq guys gay guys and they basically said okay this is how we're going to mainstream homosexuality which remember a generation ago homosexuality was considered uh immoral and uh pathological or disordered and uh in certain circumstances a crime okay and now this is like the the hero class of america right so uh that didn't happen by accident it happened by design and the design is in that book and i deconstructed in the first chapter and i did a whole lot of media when that book came out in 2005 you know there's 10 chapters on 10 different subjects of having to do with the marketing of evil but that chapter i was all over you know fox news and hannity and and and cavuto and on all kinds of top level radio and tv because we had broke back mountain we had uh it was just the this burgeoning of the the lgbt movement um and the mainstreaming of it and that they needed somebody to explain how the heck is this happening and and uh it's it's very illuminating and the thing is they brag about it it's not something they hide they say this is these are the techniques one two three this is what we're going to do and they explain it and you look at what's happened in the last 20 years or so it's precisely what they said in the book so it's it's very illuminating read you don't have to get that book just get the marketing of evil and i've summarized it all and boiled it down to the the essence of it in in chapter one yeah it seems that the one of the greatest tools that the left has is appealing to the consciences of men and women uh that they are victims and the uh the fact that the homosexual movement has hijacked the civil rights movement they have virtually become identified in this day and age as an ethnic group or a nationality or a race and it is amazing that the how much of the christian community even has been it seems brainwashed by this and they will even borrow from the language of the left and refer to homosexuals as being a part of the gay community and things such as that so it's uh it's pretty remarkable how that has been you know you're right it's it's total emotional jujitsu emotional uh um manipulation the uh the you know you you appeal to guilt we had slavery in this country that was bad we're guilty for that in other words there's a look all the slaves and slaveholders have been dead for over 100 years okay but but still there is a certain national guilt or shame over that and so the left uses shame and guilt they say you know that's that's how they uh you know we don't want reparations and we have all this racial division going on which obama of course has has exacerbated because that's what leftists do and then when you get to the gay rights movement they say hmm how do we make this we're going to superimpose our paradigm on top of martin luther king and but you know being black is not immoral but but homosexual acts if you have any regard for what the bible says from beginning to end there's no escaping it it is immoral and so uh but but that hasn't stopped them the the the you know the the gay rights movement now the lgbtq rst from from superimposing their cause on top of the and but there are many uh many blacks who say how dare you yeah okay how dare you take your cause and use our cause which is real i mean there are people you know today a friend of mine jesse lee peterson who's on the radio he's a reverend he you know he grew up in jim crow south where uh you there were the you know that the two uh you know water fountains and bathrooms and there was overt segregation and all that which which is shameful and the the you know basically america changed its mind on segregation in one generation thanks to the civil rights movement and martin luther king which which is universally considered to have been a good thing left right whatever everybody agrees that was a good thing so now you you want to use that paradigm and you stick your thing now we want to have men be able to go and shower with with teenage girls and not just bathrooms it's the locker rooms and the showers that's what obama's uh transgender edict from a few weeks ago is about in case anybody didn't know okay they are saying that boys need to have to go in and be able to shower with your teenage daughter at school if they say i feel i more identify with the women this is outright insanity okay but they are saying they are superimposing that on the civil rights movement in fact the the charlotte observer one of the biggest newspapers in the carolinas said you know what girls have to get used this is a near this is a paraphrase have to get used to seeing male genitals in the shower room because we went through a lot of other discomfort previously with you know uh interracial marriages and with with the civil rights movement where people had to be put out of their comfort zone and so they're actually buying into this comparison uh and this hijacking of a noble movement the civil rights movement of the 1960s um so anyway that's one of the many techniques that the lgbt movement has used to mainstream their their agenda yeah a lot of people in the media have been using the smoke screen that what's the big deal about the unisex uh bathrooms because especially in a woman's room people are in women are in stalls they're not getting undressed in front of everybody but as you just said this is more than just that these are showers in schools and so on well if you heard about the aclu the head of was it georgia or alabama yes yes yeah who who quit her job because the aclu is at the forefront of pushing this this whole transgender bathroom shower room a locker room thing she said oh i have three daughters my two youngest daughters were in a bathroom and three men all of them over six feet tall with deep male voices who said they were transgender who were clearly men were in the bathroom and were freaking them out and therefore i cannot be part of this anymore and this is a a a black woman lawyer democrat aclu a person who's saying okay this you know just a famous expression the conservatives a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged there are many there are many feminist women who were anti -gun they got mugged literally mugged and they became and they sometimes like paxton quigley written books uh about the importance of women and carrying guns and so forth so it's not a metaphor it's it's a reality so here's a lady who was in a sense mugged uh in in the bathroom where children were and she said this is crazy i cannot support this and so this is you know this is uh but but the the agenda is becoming so just going back to my book it's getting to be so pathological so you know gender dysphoria the whole thing of men thinking they're women women thinking they're men has been considered a mental illness forever in the diagnostic and statistical manual that which is the uh the guidebook that psychiatrists use for for diagnosing okay they look up the symptoms of yeah this is what you've got this is the drug you need to take they treat everything with drugs today okay that got taken out of the dsm -5 the most recent uh edition of the psychiatrist's handbook it got taken out they've they've they have pathologized many things you have a little boy that doesn't want to sit still in school for six hours a day and listen to some bloody boring teacher okay and because he wants to go out and climb trees and be in the playground he just wants to still so we diagnose him with add or adhd and give him drugs psychostimulants like ritalin okay so these things are pathologized they're made into a pathology into a disorder but something where 43 percent of everybody who's a transgender person attempts suicide sometime in their life many times after they've had the transgender surgery this is not well known okay so it doesn't solve any problems people who deeply believe they are the opposite sex which is insane because you are emblazoned every cell in your body a human adult male has about 37 trillion cells every one of which is permanently encoded with with with with male chromosomes and you cannot change that okay so it is it is literally insane delusional if you prefer to think that a man can become a woman or a that is what we're forcing now so the lgbt movement they got their supreme court ruling last june same -sex marriage people thought okay that's the end of it that's the holy grail they got what they wanted uh -uh it's going to go on and on and on as we're seeing now where you got to be able to have your daughter have to shower with some some weird guy okay because and here's the point chris it's not going to end because they have to put the light out of christian america and here's the reason why there's the most important thing i'm going to say today because there actually is a god it actually is wrong to be to engage in homosexual behavior and you have a conscience and even though you have temporarily put that conscience out the light of conscience out within you to allow you to go you i'm saying if you're the the act of homosexual uh if to to live that lifestyle what happens when that same light of conscience and truth pops up in other people okay you can't stand it it burns and it feels like hate this is the biggest lie these christians are not full of hate okay but but but if you hate the truth truth becomes hate to you okay so that's what they've done people who speak the truth say look this actually is sinful disorder behavior there is help you know then let me let me help you if i can okay uh that is considered the most vile hate by people that are i mean i get more death threats and more hateful email from from hardcore lgbt people than anybody else okay because there is a lot of hate down there uh and they they have to put the light out of conscience so they have to force people your five -year -olds to accept this that you know a man can be a woman and they can okay i guess he is so it's got that agenda it has no end to it okay it has no end to it will never be satisfied because it has to put the light out in other people because otherwise that light still burns and they feel they still feel uncomfortable and they blame the haters and the christians for all of their problems so it's don't think you're going to appease it and it's going to go away it's better to stand up to it with love and then at least you know we we then maybe god smiles on our country and says okay there's still a few decent people down there i'll spare this country uh we have tyler back from mastic beach long island and he has a question uh since the left has a tight clinch on our country do you think that we will see more instances of church persecution like that of the openly homosexual houston mayor demanding transcripts of pastor's sermons and i think that uh sometimes uh we may exaggerate what we are experiencing here in america as persecution because of we have brethren in other lands that are literally being crucified and uh set on fire and so on but uh there is definitely a a more subtle form of persecution going on and if you could comment on what tyler has to say yeah i think you put it very well and glad you you referenced the fact that so we're not sort of ignoring or or conflating the uh you know kim davis going to jail for five days with children being buried alive uh and and you know and and you know burned and i mean unspeakable things going on at the hands of of isis and other islamic groups not only isis throughout you know africa and and and and middle east and so forth um but yes the answer to his question is yes exclamation mark we we're going to see more of this because here's the thing if you are going to accept the equation that gay equals black or gay equals jewish you with me that the persecution of gays is the equivalent of uh of persecuting blacks or jews which is exactly what they believe and are pushing for then what you're saying is that a bible believing christian is absolutely no different from a ku klux klansman or a neo -nazi okay that that that follows like night follows day okay uh so so if we're going which with our culture has done this we've been over and we've said okay this is this will accept us accept us the the consequence of that is that if we had churches that get a that a that get a excuse me a uh a tax exemption from the federal government and they are if they were teaching uh that uh jews are evil and black people are evil you might well say i'm not even comfortable with them getting that's not even a real church i i believe they they shouldn't even have a uh that that's an abuse okay i don't it's like it's like saying well i'm the church of satan i want my tax exemption you and i might say and i don't think so i don't think that's what the founders had in mind that's not what the framers of the religious tax exemptions that go way back had in mind let's challenge that in court well that's where we're heading if we if it becomes the law of the the culture and the law of the sensibility of the land that that any criticizing uh anything lgbt is the equivalent of criticizing black or jewish uh we're going to jail you know there was this uh protestant uh preacher named uh ake green this was a few years ago in switzerland he was sentenced to 30 days in jail uh for preaching against homosexuality in the pulpit in his church he was not on some street corner or going to some other gay function okay in his own church it was finally overturned by the supreme court of that country but before that happened he was actually a 70 year old preacher was sentenced to 30 days in jail for basically preaching from the bible what the bible says about homosexuality in his church and that was years ago uh so we are we are not that far along as europe is uh in that but we're just a few years behind but yes if things keep going the way they are because look at it we have this transgender thing is sort of brand new on the horizon in the last year or so and it's already what's coming after that is there any chance that we're not going to have legalized polygamy and legalized incestuous marriages and so forth i'll tell you if if you read the legal arguments that were accepted to give us same -sex marriage all those arguments also apply to polygamy uh and to every other type of arrangement you're going to have you know five men and a wastebasket want to be married and we're going to say why not we're all it's all consensual and that that is very much where we're headed and if you're a uh you're a preacher and you don't want to perform the ceremony you're going to go the way of uh of of kim davis the uh the the county clerk that was the christian democrat by the way she's probably changed her party affiliation now uh but um you know that so that's where we're headed so you you can yell appeasement there's something about appeasement where we think well you know if i appease them they'll go away and go lay on me name me an instance when that actually happens it's always the opposite so appeasing is not a good idea but that's what that's what our nation basically is doing right now with the whole with this whole agenda yeah and as i've said before on this program that people are pushing for the rights so -called of children to make decisions on sexual reassignment surgery and what would be very uh fast on the heels of that to me is obvious pedophilia will be legalized because if children can make a choice on what gender they are they can make a choice on who they have sex with and sometimes it's going to be adults oh that's absolutely true because remember it used to be morality was the determined determinant factor morality has been replaced by consensuality if it's consensual it's okay never mind morality so it's going to be look the the age of consent varies all over the country and all over the world i think in spain it's 12 is the age of consent so that is going to be coming down down whether it's sexual reassignment surgery which is the for sex change operation um or pedophilia yes that is the direction that we are headed and there's it's not just my opinion that's that's the reason it is because it's consensual we're going to say look why are we denying children the rights to uh of you know of full citizenship and those are the arguments you're going to be seeing it's horrifying but our threshold our tolerance is dropping where we seem to be tolerating i mean this bathroom thing 10 years ago when this first came up in montgomery county maryland i grew up there most progressive county in the country it was like unbelievable no one is ever going to go for this now it's like holy writ and it's coming from obama and all over the country and you are a bigot and a hater if you don't want your your you don't want men in your daughter's bathroom and shower so there's again there's no lower limit to what human beings can fall to uh and i mean isis approves that okay uh and and their corruption and so we we should not just sit by idly waiting for it to hit bottom we need to be pushing in the other direction yes and what seems to escape the attention of a lot of people even a lot of conservatives in the media is that the homosexual activists are in essence really saying that they are morally superior because if heterosexuals had demanded access into women's rooms heterosexual men had demanded access into ladies rooms they would be looked upon as perverts and the feminists would be the first to say it but because it is homosexuals and transgendered people and on and on that somehow changes the whole thing that it changes the the whole uh debate when if a if an adult man wanted to take girl scouts out into the woods and sleep in the same tents with them that would be obviously wrong uh but because it's a homosexual he should be allowed to have little boys in a tent with him because he would never do anything wrong of course uh that's that's the uh message i'm getting from the left i don't know about you but that's the way well yeah the left is full of contradictions and and double standards they align with islam that that hates women and pushes gays off of cliffs it's the death penalty uh but but the thing is that with the hard left the real enemy is christianity and and and that is if you if you can hang on to that and realize that then they're double standard and their contradictions and well it's a feminist care when this is happening to women and blah blah blah it all becomes clear that what really threatens them is is is judeo -christian values is christianity look i'm sorry it's you know when things become confusing you have to look where where does god fit into all this okay there is a rebellion against god and his laws we call it the left but that's that's really what it is and your website is wnd .com