ERLC Chaos, SBTS still pushing CRT

Biden, the Deep State, and the Collapse of Trust

We are live now on the conversations that matter podcast. I'm your host John Harris boy. What a weekend, huh? So the ERLC and the SBC more broadly is in chaos and so is the country especially the DNC and it's the the jokes being made about the parallels between Biden being ousted and Then Russell Moore being ousted are just too much.

I can't handle it this morning. It's just Over-the-top, so we already have people filtering in to the chat if you have questions or comments in fact, I'm sure as the podcast is Happening. We will probably have developments.

Please feel free to post your comments in the chat and I will get to them as I can. So we're gonna start off today with the obvious I suppose and that is that Joe Biden is Not the well, I was gonna say he's not the president of the United States.

So that might not be all that far off. He is not running to seek the presidency of the United States, of course any longer and he threw his support between To Kamala Harris as did Hillary Clinton and a number of other Big Democrats and this happened on Sunday I think that was the thing that annoyed me the most was On a Sunday and I remember Ron DeSantis did the same thing.

He ended his campaign on a Sunday And I'm just like he's the Lord's Day sacred. You know, I was actually at a church the one my wife grew up at and There's a beautiful spot. You can take a walk and so after church, we went and took a walk with our newborn and I was getting all the updates right and I'm like it man church just ended I'm getting all these texts and and so I I go on my phone and my wife says hey You're gonna be with us and Trust me.

I I know when my wife says that it is time to be with them And I'm just like Danielle. This is crazy, though I mean Biden just stepped down apparently and there's all kinds of developments and I put it away though I said no, it's the Lord's Day.

There's no reason for me to be doing this and why is this happening on a Sunday? So there's my little vent my frustration about that, but There's so many I've never seen so much Mistrust in our institutions.

There's so many theories about what happened with the shooter This morning. I don't know if you saw a Heritage Foundation posted a Street well, it was a it was really a Twitter thread I suppose but it was a Investigation it was information from an investigation that they did on Devices somehow connected to the shooter.

I don't know how they did this how they had the access to do this, but Cell phones, I suppose would be the devices and where these devices had been and Things like hey this person was in proximity or this device was in proximity to the shooter and What do you know?

It seems to awfully frequently go right near the FBI building What's that about but up, you know before the shooting and there are all kinds of things like that in this tweet thread you should really go check it out and so people are just They don't trust the government.

They don't trust what they're being told and they're wondering what in the world is going on and I think in a age this is inevitable in an age of so much mass communication cameras everywhere eyes everywhere and with the added Inability of the deep state to Suppress the kind of information that's out there because of outlets like X Let's face it that changed everything when Elon Musk bought X it made it so all the other social media companies also had to kind of lessen their strict anti-disinformation rules because they had to compete with X and That's really the effect of that is even on YouTube.

There might be a little Blurb at the bottom of even this video who knows? Warning you that if I mentioned the word abortion, this is where you should get your information about abortion. Don't listen to that guy who's talking listen to us.

There's things like that, but it's nothing like it was after the 2020 election. Do you remember parlor parlor got shut down? I was shocked Parlor was attracting everyone all the conservative people and even people who just were moderate and didn't want the left Narrative we're going to parlor and it got shut down because they relied foolishly on Amazon servers to host their particular social media.

Platform well.

We have come a long way since then and I think a lot of it does have to do with the fact that Elon Musk Bought X or Twitter at the time. And so they have to compete with him and in an age like that It's hard to keep your story straight.

I was watching videos last night of the director of.

The.

Secret Service who was supposed to be protecting President Trump in Congress and you had both Marjorie Taylor Greene and AOC asking very difficult questions that she simply could not answer. It was frankly embarrassing and Anyone who watches that hearing is left thinking they're lying.

Something's off. How do you have a perimeter? That's a hundred and fifty yards. Any hunter knows I know this and I'm in the east. Okay. We don't take long shots in the east out west when you're shooting at a deer.

Sometimes you take really long shots hundreds of yards in the east 50 to 100 yards. Depending on what you're looking at but you make sure that you're ready with your rifle for a shot, especially if you're in a field or something, that's 150 200 yards and 200 yards no problem for someone who knows how to shoot and Their perimeter was only a hundred and fifty yards not even.

That's insanity. That's a level of negligence that almost seems planned it's hard to believe someone could be that negligent right and and this is where a lot of the theories and even the idea that there's two gunmen and many eyewitness testimonies saying that some of the Experts testimony that now is online because where else are you gonna find it?

Saying that it looks like camera evidence seems to suggest this and then you have a flat-out denial from the head of the Secret Service all of this stuff is Coming to a head it's to a point now. And I think this is what's happening even on the left is a lot of people who were quote-unquote Moderates or center-left who would have been in Biden's camp even a few years ago are now so mistrustful of their institutions that they're willing to join Trump in some way and I don't know whether that's gonna be enough to overcome all the illegal migrants will likely have Be registered to vote.

That's not that's not cynical. By the way, that's reality. Especially if you're someone who lives in a border state, I I had this experience earlier this year. I was in California. My grandfather passed away and we've known this is happening for a long time.

My family is from California. I was born in California. We've known Exactly what's happening there because it's local news. It's and even if it's not in the local news. It's just what everyone knows locally that the Democrat Party registers illegal migrants to vote.

They give them Social Security cards. They hook them up with the benefits. That should be really the Sole property of the American citizen who has sacrificed and worked hard sometimes for generations to achieve.

They'll give them those benefits. I was in California and there was a billboard. It was in Spanish, but I took a picture of it and did the you know translate thing. And it was a picture of a Social Security card.

I still have it. I probably should have queued it up. I didn't know I was gonna go on this rant but it was a picture of a Social Security card and this was in right outside of Los Angeles in the valley and The caption on it said something like we can get you the documents that are even hard to get.

You're not seeing that in places that don't have major migrant issues, but there's a lucrative business. It's to the benefit of lawyers to make money to get people these documents and you say that's impossible.

I remember I posted it people say that's not happening. That's impossible. It can't happen. And I said, well it is it is.

So.

That's really one of my main questions about the election. I'm pretty positive about the fact that. Yeah, there's a lot of exposure going on the call that Biden made to the campaign headquarters. Sounds I'm not saying it's not Biden I don't know but it's just like so weird that Kamala Harris almost called it a recording at one point and.

It doesn't sound like the Biden from a week ago and he's supposedly more sick now than he was back then but he sounds better. On the phone, but he can't make an appearance there's too much that's just weird about all of this and people are I think naturally suspicious and so it's all coming to a head and It's gonna be interesting to see what happens this election.

Are the Democrats able to get enough illegal migrants signed up? I think that's the real question or at least enough names in swing states in major cities to even if Donald Trump gets the popular vote to push it to.

Whoever. I don't know if it's gonna be Kamala or whoever but whoever's on the Democrat side. That's gonna be the question.

So.

People aren't buying the narrative they can't look at the situation and say Donald Trump is a threat to democracy when they're looking at what the DNC is currently doing to. Their nominee who was healthy as a horse up until a week ago, huh?

And was was never better and and of course after the debate that line started faltering and now we're we're in a snowball it's a it's a snowballing effect with everyone calling for Biden to drop out until He did so who's really in control.

The deep state is in control. The managerial class is in control. And those have always been I think the mechanisms in our lifetime that have Essentially done most of the made most of the decisions in the government.

It's managerial elites. James Burnham was right about all of this go read what he said during the 1930s and 40s about managerial elites and what was happening. It wasn't a shift towards socialism. Which is how still so many of the neoconservatives interpret what happened under FDR and I understand why they do that.

But James Burnham made the point. This isn't so much socialism as it is managerial ism. It's not socialism where the people are owning the means of production and making decisions. It's not democracy that socialists like to talk about.

This is an elite class a new elite class that have now ascended to gain Provident position where they're running essentially everything and they're very Ingrained there. It's a very stable system and in some ways and so it's very hard to root them out once they're in.

And they will survive Republican presidencies Democrat presidencies and other institutions that aren't quite as big as the government. But also have a scale to them start mirroring mirroring this kind of thing.

Businesses, I mean James Burnham talked about that too big business also does the same thing. It's not just government and I would like to suggest you also big ministry the regime and then evangelicals the big Eva Evangelical industrial complex, whatever you want to call that has the same dynamics at work.

Managerial elites running these institutions and there's a stability to it and They will be there when the SBC president starts his term and they will be there when the SBC president leaves because They are there for the long haul and they will support their interests in the interest of their class.

And that's the main reason they're there. It's not to support just like with the deep state we call it they're not there to represent the interests of the American people the denominations and Christian organizations that exist at this scale are naturally going to function in such a way that the people running these things are going to More be about their own interests and the interests of their class.

Then they are the people who actually pay the bills or the denominations and that's why it's so hard to get accountability audits information answers to questions. All right. Well if you have questions or comments put them in the chat.

I haven't really even begun to talk about the issue that I want to talk about today, but I wanted to Enter with a bang there. That's What I'm seeing and that's what you're seeing and I just want you to know I'm seeing what you're seeing.

Evangelical Reactions to Biden’s Withdrawal

Well, we are we are going to talk about the Southern Baptist Convention. We are are also going to talk about the ERLC and I want to really start there. I suppose so Let's start let's see, is that the beginning it is with what happens I guess I mean already gone over some of this but National politics, I guess so we won't start with the ERLC we'll start with just some some evangelical reaction to the national politics that I just described and then we'll quickly get into the ERLC, but Russell Moore the right call for our country.

Thank you. Mr. President in response to Joe Biden's resignation on June 21st. That was two days ago two days ago Wow feels like a Week has happened in those two days or more Mike Pence president Joe Biden made the right decision for our country and I thank him for putting the interests of our nation ahead of.

His own.

After the assassination attempt on President Trump and Biden's decision to end his campaign now is a time for leaders in both parties to protect to project calm and send a message of strength and resolve to America's friends and enemies alike.

That whatever the state of our politics the American people are strong and our military stands ready to defend our freedom and our vital national interest anywhere in the world. Definitely not striking the right tone there.

But this is.

Something he's saying nicer things about Biden than he says about Trump and he was Trump's VP Michael Byrd. Thank you and Michael Byrd theology professor in Australia Ray the way I know about him is because a lot of the progressive evangelicals in the Southern Baptist Convention and Evangelicals and more probably seem to love Michael Byrd and when I was a student at Southeastern he came and did some speeches at the school as well as a Some podcast episodes.

I think it was more than one if I'm not mistaken with Walter Strickland at the Center for Kingdom diversity at Southeastern and so that's how I was introduced to him. But for those who don't know I realize not everyone's on X but Michael Byrd, that's where he's big.

I suppose he's big In that world and he said thank you to President Joe Biden for his service not only to America but to the free world Including supporting the cause of democracy in Ukraine us. So again, I mean these people they're showing their cards is what's happening Biden is more revered than President Trump to them even though Biden supports policies that are pretty monstrous and He's been a lousy president.

They don't really see it the way that most of you see it David French says if it's Harris vs. Trump, it's a prosecutor versus felon. And you could just hear them excited about this. I mean, it's but the BDN of wheel a Wasn't on X for I think years.

It was a while and all of a sudden he's back and He said a lot of us miss it. We know now we now know to miss it and prayerfully We'll see it return and what's he talking about? The pre-trump political world.

The pre-trump political world.

So.

Trump's not gonna get back in and You know, there's a nostalgia it seems like they have. They want the defeat of Trump and they want Harris to win and They're not saying it necessarily directly but You know, look at what they're not saying compare it to what they are saying and that's certainly the direction they're pushing the needle.

Samuel Perry who wrote a book about whites Evangelical white Christian nationalism, so he's one of the big anti-christian nationalist guys.

He.

Said after Biden's Withdrawal a cue and cue the racism in three two one Micah Edmondson who writes for the gospel coalition many black women and men in majority white church Spaces are carefully listening to how their fellow church members speak about VP Kamala Harris some questions.

They ask themselves do these folks value representation even if it doesn't fit their partisan box. So we are seeing I think a Return of some of the people some of the cast of characters that I haven't really seen as prominent For a while like the BDN of wheel a or even Micah Edmondson.

I mean he's been saying stuff but he's it's now gaining a little bit more traction or no people are noticing more and it's the same narrative that we had in 2020 and I think it's because now you have a BIPOC Candidate potentially who's gonna be the Democratic nominee for president.

It's not no longer an old white male. So they had a hard time playing the race card right against Trump when it was Biden a little bit and now. Well, they can just go to town any criticism of Kamala Harris now is gonna be the n-word.

In fact, I saw someone on X say something Completely stupid that if you say minority higher or not minority higher. Sorry diversity higher ie if you're saying that they were hired because of their diversity not because of their competence or some other factor diversity higher.

Then that is the n-word. That is the n-word. This rhetoric wouldn't have been there not as strongly at least if it was Biden who still had the Democratic nomination secured. But now that it's a woman and a quote-unquote person of color.

This is going to be one of the main attacks, I think and you're gonna see evangelical People who claim to be that at least on the left carry that water now there were there was some dissent on this and I Want to just acknowledge that and I want to frame this for you.

So Andrew Walker said I dissent from the Biden that this from the idea that Biden Man let me let me start over there. I don't know if I'm not reading this, right? I dissent from the idea that this was there we go an act of valor by President Biden.

Okay Had he not acted defiantly against the after the debate or made it clear months ago that he would not run. That would have been respectable. But let's call a spade a spade the Democrats want power democracy is an obstacle.

So he's saying what everyone's thinking handful of the ultra-powerful just took control of things every Current and future officeholder should fear the precedent set in today's announcement and Clint Presley who is.

The.

President of the Southern Baptist Convention said sounds right now I don't need to go over it for people who have listened to the podcast for a long time but Andrew Walker has certainly over the last five years been one of the obstacles in the way of holding s BTS accountable and I would ask you With the information I present at the end of this To assess whether Andrew Walker or even other people that you think are conservative at s BTS Denny Burke usually gets brought up whether or not they actually Help the cause of Conservatism whether theologically or politically at their institution when in their own backyard, they're unable to Say much about the things that they have more control over.

Now I don't expect I should probably say this I don't expect every single person at an institution in every position to commit career suicide. Not everyone's gonna be a Russell Fuller and sign the Dallas statement Even though the president of the institution puts a target on your back and I'm talking about Al Mohler for doing it.

People seem to forget that Al Mohler was doing that even though now he's mr. Christian nationalist and all the rest.

No.

That the same Al Mohler who pumped in CRT and me to stuff is the same Al Mohler that just a few years later is. Now saying how he's a Christian nationalist and shares a stage at Natcon with Doug Wilson and all this kind of thing.

The interpretations of that I think are pretty interesting and some of them in my opinion are kind of wild. I don't think. I think certainly there's a shift going on. There's no doubt I think there's multiple shifts to be quite honest with you going on and realignments and that's politics.

But to.

Say that someone who believed in same-sex orientation and said it was a sin for him not to believe in it and he repented at least of Denying it and now to see him shifting his position back to what it had been previously without even Not even a sense of the fact that hey, he held a different position for the last decade.

Right seeing Al Mohler do that on multiple issues. The conclusion that you can draw is I guess you could say. Oh, he just he's getting more right-wing. That's one conclusion I suppose you could draw if you wanted to.

There's another conclusion that Actually makes more sense of someone like an Al Mohler over the course of the last 40 years though. And that is he's a chameleon. He's what the Liberals said about him in the early 90s that he's gonna shift with the winds.

Just like a flag shifts with the winds. That's who he is. That's I think consistent with his character more than anything else and so here's the question you have to ask yourself in this managerial elite Paradigm that we live in the people who are under him who signal their approval of him for job security.

Who are pics of his who rely on him for their bread and butter and any clout that they might enjoy? What are they going to do when he makes these kinds of shifts? Well, the logical thing if you're someone who is about preserving yourself is you're going to shift with him.

You're going to make the same kinds of shifts. And so I would just ask you in this audience be careful.

Okay.

I think we can be cautious. Optimists we can look. I've tried to frame it in private chats with guys who are on the right in the SBC by saying look. If molar or one of the guys at Southern does something good Then the way to frame it is hey, look.

Even they agree with us the way to not frame it is follow them. You know, don't let them near the steering wheel. They've already proved they can't drive. They'll crash your car. It just got pulled out of the ditch.

Supposedly.

We're trying to pull it out of the ditch and You don't want to put them back in the steering wheel. That's foolish, right? So I would just encourage you the same Cynical attitude or or just healthy suspicion.

Let's say that you have about the government apply that to these other arenas, please just have a little bit of a healthy suspicion there and and so when I see Andrew Walker do that knowing that Andrew Walker was Publicly counter signaling Russell Fuller heavily when Russell Fuller tried to hold s BTS accountable for critical race theory.

Knowing that Clint Presley was advocating strongly for the DREAM Act hired an illegal migrant at his church. Knowing that these are who those guys were not that long ago and they have not come out and said we were wrong about those things.

You have to be a little bit suspicious and I think that suspicion would drive you to seeing it this way. And this is how I see it. There are multiple competing factions in the Southern Baptist Convention as well as Evangelicalism more broadly and and also our nation or our country.

I should say there are multiple competing fat Factions you can look and see a broad left and a broad right? That's true. But within those there's there's always been competition, but there's there's also.

There's groups that I that we could call a co-belligerent group. But they are after power or they are after. They are after perhaps different objectives and in a different paradigm they might look differently.

You know if if right now CRT was the hot topic and you had a lot of advantages from being pro CRT there are people who with their weak character would find ways to justify that and Remain in their positions at their institutions and accept all the prestige that comes with that.

In other words I'm saying there's people that you have to see them as maybe not as principled as you would hope or at least be open to that possibility and That's how I see some of this it is not unreasonable to ask people who have made bad calls in the past that were not just bad on a private level or small in scale.

But major public blunders to come forward and retract and apologize or at least admit and own that they made these errors. When called out on them I don't think that's an unreasonable assumption at all.

And I know there are those who do because I've gotten into discussions even with those that it would agree with. Many of us who are more conservative in this listening audience. They they say well. You can't expect someone to retract what they've said or to start saying, you know I was wrong when I said that years ago and I'm thinking Yeah, you can now the issue with not apologizing to the media or to a cancel mob or those kinds of things I think has more to do with giving them authority.

They don't have the authority to squeeze an apology after you and you don't apologize to them. They're not you're they're certainly not God and if to pick a Catholic analogy, they're not your priest. They're not someone who You know, you don't owe it to them and you don't want to put them in that place of authority.

It doesn't belong to them. But you should Probably since people listen to you if you're a public figure and took your advice and it wound up wrong or bad. And maybe hurt them. You should probably own that there's nothing that's Weak about that.

In fact, I think that's a strength when you're able to do that and say I've learned since then I've gained wisdom. And I hope you can trust me now because I am someone who gains wisdom. When I look at the results of actions, I took that were wrong.

And one of those actions on the part of Andrew Walker was trying to block Russell Fuller's Accountability from holding sway at the school so More could be said but I just I need to talk to you about this.

I've been having a number of conversations over the last day really this URL see you're all see thing hasn't even been a day and I know there's a lot of frustration out there all over the place. It's.

It doesn't mean you can't be co-belligerence. With a Clint Presley with an Andrew Walker. With even an Al Mueller doesn't mean you can't be a co-belligerent if they're gonna support a position that you support or a candidate that You support or yeah.

Hey We we could use all the help we can get but look I'm not letting you near the steering wheel. I'm not gonna run cover for you and just ignore the damage you've done, right? That seems reasonable. But hey, I'll accept the support great.

So.

All right. Well, well, we got a lot of people cut. Let me answer some questions. I will get into the URL. See stuff I can't believe. I've been podcasting for almost half an hour. Well I should I should be able to believe it.

People know that this is my My tendency sometimes and I haven't gotten to some of the main topics but Too legit to quit says. What source of punishment what sort of punishment public admonition or more?

I.

Think he's responding to this comment. Should not the Russell Moore's the David French's and the whole SBC lot be branded heretics and be punished under a proper Christian theocracy. Thought experiment wise.

Okay, well, I don't know if I'd frame it in those terms, but I can dig the Desire to hold people accountable, which I think is what him Fong is getting at. And I think too legit to quit ask a good question.

What does that mean? I think it mean it does mean. We have to assess the institutional power that we as.

Orthodox.

Theological conservative political Christians have and that really is public opinion more than anything else. We have very.

Little.

Representation in the halls of power. We should we're seeking that in various ways. In fact, I talked to you. I'll just give a shout out real quick I did talk to the head of the Institute for biblical theology down in Florida and You know this is one of the things that they're trying to do in some way and there's there's a lot of groups trying to figure out what the formula is for producing or inspiring and Vetting and getting leaders out there into churches and other places that are actually going to be Orthodox and solid and principled and all the rest.

So at this point, the main thing we have is public opinion. So that's what we it's the court of public opinion I mean God's gonna judge everyone in the end, but that's what we have. All right, so I don't see too many other Questions a lot of comments keep Bringing those comments and those questions as we get into the ERL see.

The ERLC’s Public Praise for Biden and the Fallout

Which is one of the main things I wanted to talk about. So The URL see and here's a screenshot for those who are watching. Not only is this a sorry I'm still reading Brent Leatherwood's, but this is actually going to the URL see I'm still reading.

But rather woods reaction to the Kamala Harris Endorsement and I should say the Biden resignation really is what he's talking about here. But this flows right into what we're about to talk about. So I'll just read it the URL see Brent Leatherwood said not only is this meaning Biden's resignation a historical decision.

It is the right decision for our nation. Despite what some partisans will say to walk away from power is a selfish act the kind that has been all too Rare in our culture and this is what Andrew Walker dissented from he was dissenting from what everyone's saying the Democrat talking points, but He was dissenting from what the ERL see which is a Southern Baptist entity Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission supposed to be representing the interests of Southern Baptists in the public square.

They have money to do it. They have legal briefings. They file they get behind certain political initiatives. They are represented at Gatherings of different faith groups to represent Southern Baptists in the political sphere and this is what the president of their organization had to say About Biden's resignation and it goes along with what we just saw from Russell Moore and others.

That.

They want to frame it as if Biden is this really great upstanding person and It doesn't match the reality we're seeing. Obviously it doesn't match what we're. The sudden shift from I'm as healthy as a horse to I'm Resigning the dishonesty that seems to be accompanying that with the actual condition that Biden's in.

Which the evidence that keeps coming in seems to be this guy must be pretty sick. It must be pretty bad. You will see we'll see. I mean, but I'm just looking at some obvious things like he didn't call in and a zoom call he had to If it was him.

Some people are saying now that you know, they're figuring out that this was AI generated voice stuff. But you know whether or not it was. I mean, they couldn't show him on camera. Something's off. Something's very off.

And.

There seems to be a lot of less than honest Approaches to Telling us what's actually going on. This was a some are calling it a coup, but this was a an overthrow of Biden. He didn't have a choice in this matter.

That's the bottom line and so to start lionizing him as this great figure who stepped aside.

And.

It doesn't match reality. This I think there is a point to be made that yeah, I mean months and months and months ago. Years ago if he would have stepped aside and and he's still gonna serve out his term.

What does that say about you? Where's the honor there? I'm not qualified to run for president, but boy I am qualified to serve as your president. Yeah, real honorable. You're you know, thanks ERLC for using our Southern Baptist money to signal approval for that.

So some are saying that this was the thing that got Brent Leatherwood in trouble. Because the executive committee for the Southern Baptist Convention, which as I understand it is composed of six people.

There's a Board of Trustees that has like 30 people or something, but the executive committee makes the decisions essentially and There is you know those people somehow we're not exactly sure how this all happened why there's you know.

No, it doesn't seem to be count accountability in the SPC. They without any reason just said he's out. He is we have booted him. And of course here are the reactions from some prominent Southern Baptists.

Michael Byrd. I don't believe is a Southern Baptist, but he's loved by the left in the Southern Baptist Convention. But you have Karen swallow prior the Lord has given the SPC over to its sinful desires.

May he have mercy on them and on us all. All right, so there's sin. It was a sinful desire to boot Brent Leatherwood. And then you got Michael Byrd when hatred is a virtue civility becomes a crime so yeah, it's hate that caused this and that's it's a people who think hate is a virtue and They went after Brent Leatherwood because man.

He's just so civil and then Russell Moore shameful and disgraceful a great Christian man who lived through his children barely surviving a school shooting Southern Baptist how much more of this are you going to let go on?

You cannot pretend not to see what is happening in your name. Well, I think that's the issue actually they are saying what's happening in their name. Brent Leatherwood is the one that's doing it in their name anyway.

Russell Moore then says sometimes the Venn diagram of evil and stupid is a perfect circle. Now I want you to just you just sit with this for a moment. You look at that real good what Russell Moore just said Absorb what he just said.

Because there is a real problem on that side. The institutional leadership on the evangelical left has a problem with.

Really.

Hating I would say I don't know what other word to use but They have there's an anger issue there of some kind and that's why it's rich that Michael Byrd is saying. It's the haters are are the people who booted?

Brent Leatherwood last night or yesterday afternoon, but where do you see real seething hatred coming from? Russell Moore is angry about this. I mean and he left the SPC. He's no longer part of it. I thought you know, this wasn't his this wasn't his Thing to care about but he really does care and I said to you at the time I said Russell Moore leaving the SPC leaving the ERLC as the president slamming the door behind him Doesn't mean his influence is gone.

Everyone was saying You know Ding-dong. It's it's over great. He's gone. We win and I said, I don't think you win because here's the deal. I mean, I'm saying it's good I'm glad he's gone. But he is going to be now more powerful and maybe even more influential on the SPC in some ways than he was before and he doesn't Represent the SPC with money going to him and him being an official spokesperson.