ERLC Chaos, SBTS still pushing CRT

We are live now on the conversations that matter podcast. I'm your host John Harris boy.

What a weekend, huh? so the ERLC and the SBC more broadly is in chaos and so is the country especially the

DNC and it's the Jokes being made about the parallels between Biden being ousted and then

Russell Moore being ousted are just too much I can't handle it this morning. It's just Over -the -top, so we already have people filtering in to the chat if you have questions or comments in fact,

I'm sure as the podcast is Happening. We will probably have developments. Please feel free to post your comments in the chat and I will get to them as I can

So we're gonna start off today with the obvious I suppose and that is that Joe Biden is

Not the well, I was gonna say he's not the president of the United States. So that might not be all that far off He is not running to seek the presidency of the

United States, of course any longer and he threw his support between to Kamala Harris as did

Hillary Clinton and a number of other big Democrats and This happened on Sunday I think that was the thing that annoyed me the most was on a

Sunday and I remember Ron DeSantis did the same thing He ended his campaign on a Sunday and I'm just like he's the

Lord's Day sacred You know, I was actually at a church the one my wife grew up at and There's a beautiful spot.

You can take a walk. And so after church, we went and took a walk with our newborn and I was getting all the updates right and I'm like it man church just ended it

I'm getting all these texts and and so I I go on my phone and my wife says hey you're gonna be with us and Trust me.

I I know when my wife says that it is time to be with them And I'm just like Danielle.

This is crazy, though I mean Biden just stepped down apparently and there's all kinds of developments and I put it away though I said no, it's the

Lord's Day. There's no reason for me to be doing this and why is this happening on a Sunday? so there's my little vent my frustration about that, but There's so many

I've never seen so much Mistrust in our institutions. There's so many theories about what happened with the shooter

This morning. I don't know if you saw a Heritage Foundation posted a Street well, it was a it was really a

Twitter thread I suppose but it was a Investigation it was information from an investigation that they did on Devices somehow connected to the shooter.

I don't know how they did this how they had the access to do this, but Cell phones, I suppose would be the devices and where these devices had been and Things like hey this person was in proximity or this device was in proximity to the shooter.

And What do you know? It seems to awfully frequently go right near the

FBI building What's that about but up, you know before the shooting and there are all kinds of things like that in this tweet thread you should really go check it out and so people are just They don't trust the government

They don't trust what they're being told and they're wondering what in the world is going on and I think in a age this was inevitable in an age of so much mass communication cameras everywhere eyes everywhere and with the added

Inability of the deep state to Suppress the kind of information that's out there because of outlets like X Let's face it that changed everything when

Elon Musk bought X it made it so all the other social media companies also had to kind of lessen their strict anti -disinformation rules because they had to compete with X and That's really the effect of that is even on YouTube.

There might be a little Blurb at the bottom of even this video who knows Warning you that if I mentioned the word abortion, this is where you should get your information about abortion

Don't listen to that guy who's talking listen to us There's things like that, but it's nothing like it was after the 2020 election.

Do you remember parlor parlor got shut down? I was shocked Parlor was attracting everyone all the conservative people and even people who just were moderate and didn't want the left

Narrative we're going to parlor and it got shut down because they relied foolishly on Amazon servers to host their particular social media platform well

We have come a long way since then and I think a lot of it does have to do with the fact that Elon Musk Bought X or Twitter at the time.

And so they have to compete with him and in an age like that It's hard to keep your story straight.

I was watching videos last night of the director of The Secret Service who was supposed to be protecting

President Trump in Congress and you had both Marjorie Taylor Greene and AOC asking very difficult questions that she simply could not answer.

It was frankly embarrassing and Anyone who watches that hearing is left thinking they're lying

Something's off. How do you have a perimeter? That's a hundred and fifty yards

Any hunter knows I know this and I'm in the east Okay We don't take long shots in the east out west when you're shooting at a deer

Sometimes you take really long shots hundreds of yards in the east 50 to 100 yards

Depending on what you're looking at But you make sure that you're ready with your rifle for a shot, especially if you're in a field or something that's 150 200 yards and 200 yards no problem for someone who knows how to shoot and their perimeter was only 150 yards not even

That's insanity. That's a level of negligence that almost seems planned

It's hard to believe someone could be that negligent, right? And and this is where a lot of the theories and Even the idea that there's two gunmen and many eyewitness testimonies

Saying that some of the Expert testimony that now is online because where else are you gonna find it?

Saying that it looks like camera evidence seems to suggest this and then you have a flat -out denial from the head of the

Secret Service all of this stuff is Coming to a head it's to a point now

And I think this is what's happening Even on the left is a lot of people who were quote -unquote moderates or center left

Who would have been in Biden's camp even a few years ago are now so mistrustful of their

Institutions that they're willing to join Trump in some way and I don't know whether that's gonna be enough to overcome all the illegal migrants will likely have

Be registered to vote. That's not that's not cynical. By the way, that's reality

Especially if you're someone who lives in a border state, I I had this experience earlier this year.

I was in California My grandfather passed away and we've known this is happening for a long time. My family is from California.

I was born in, California we've known Exactly what's happening there because it's local news.

It's and even if it's not in the local news It's just what everyone knows locally that the

Democrat Party registers illegal migrants to vote They give them Social Security cards. They hook them up with the benefits.

That should be really the Sole property of the American citizen who has sacrificed and worked hard sometimes for generations to achieve

They'll give them those benefits. I was in California and there was a billboard It was in Spanish, but I took a picture of it and did the you know translate thing

And it was a picture of a Social Security card. I still have it. I probably should have queued it up I didn't know I was gonna go on this rant, but it was a picture of a

Social Security card and this was in but right outside of Los Angeles in the valley and The caption on it said something like we can get you the documents that are even hard to get

You're not seeing that in places that don't have major migrant issues, but there's a lucrative business

It's to the benefit of lawyers to make money to get people these documents and you say that's impossible

I remember I posted it people say that's not happening. That's impossible. It can't happen. And I said, well it is it is So that's really one of my main questions about the election

I'm pretty positive about the fact that Yeah, there's a lot of exposure going on the call that Biden made to the campaign headquarters

Sounds I'm not saying it's not Biden I don't know but it's just like so weird that Kamala Harris almost called it a recording at one point and It doesn't sound like the

Biden from a week ago, and he's supposedly more sick now than he was back then But he sounds better on the phone, but he can't make an appearance there's too much that's just weird about all of this and people are

I think naturally suspicious and so it's all coming to a head and It's gonna be interesting to see what happens this election are the

Democrats able to get enough illegal migrants signed up I think that's the real question or at least enough names in Swing states in major cities to even if Donald Trump gets the popular vote to push it to Whoever I don't know if it's gonna be

Kamala or whoever but whoever's on the Democrat side. That's gonna be the question so People aren't buying the narrative

They can't look at the situation and say Donald Trump is a threat to democracy when they're looking at what the

DNC is currently doing To their nominee who was healthy as a horse up until a week ago, huh?

And was was never better and and of course after the debate that line started faltering and now we're we're in a snowball

It's a it's a snowballing effect with everyone calling for Biden to drop out until He did so who's really in control

The deep state is in control. The managerial class is in control And those have always been

I think the mechanisms in our lifetime that have Essentially done most of the made most of the decisions in the government

It's managerial elites James Burnham was right about all of this Go read what he said during the 1930s and 40s about managerial elites and what was happening?

It wasn't a shift towards socialism Which is how still so many of the neoconservatives interpret what happened under FDR and I understand why they do that But James Burnham made the point this isn't so much socialism as it is managerial ism

It's not socialism where the people are owning the means of production and making decisions It's not democracy that socialists like to talk about this is an elite class a new elite class that have now ascended to gain

Provident position where they're running essentially everything and they're very Ingrained there.

It's a very stable system and in some ways and so it's very hard to root them out once they're in and They will survive

Republican presidencies Democrat presidencies and other institutions that aren't quite as big as the government

But also have a scale to them start mirroring mirroring this kind of thing Businesses, I mean

James Burnham talked about that too big business also does the same thing It's not just government and I would like to suggest you also big ministry the regime and then evangelicals the big

Eva Evangelical industrial complex whatever you want to call that has the same dynamics at work managerial elites running these institutions and There's a stability to it and They will be there when the

SBC president starts his term and they will be there when the SBC president leaves because they are there for the long haul and They will support their interests and the interests of their class and that's the main reason they're there

It's not to support just like with the deep state. We call it They're not there to represent the interests of the

American people the Denominations and Christian organizations that exist at this scale are naturally going to function in such a way that the people running these things are going to More be about their own interests and the interests of their class

Then they are the people who actually pay the bills or the denominations and that's why it's so hard to get accountability audits information answers questions

All right. Well if you have questions or comments put them in the chat I haven't really even begun to talk about the issue that I want to talk about today

But I wanted to enter with a bang there. That's What I'm seeing and that's what you're seeing and I just want you to know

I'm seeing what you're seeing Well, we're we are going to talk about the Southern Baptist Convention we are are also going to talk about the

ERLC and I want to really start there I suppose so Let's start.

Let's see. Is that the beginning it is with what happens I guess I mean already gone over some of this but National politics,

I guess so we won't start with the ERLC we'll start with just some some evangelical reaction to the national politics that I just described and then we'll quickly get into the

ERLC, but Russell Moore the right call for our country. Thank you. Mr. President in response to Joe Biden's resignation on June 21st

That was two days ago two days ago Wow feels like a Week has happened in those two days or more

Mike Pence president Joe Biden made the right decision for our country and I thank him for putting the interests of our nation ahead of his own after the assassination attempt on President Trump and Biden's decision to end his campaign now is a time for leaders in both parties to protect to project calm and send a message of strength and resolve to America's friends and enemies alike that whatever the state of our politics the

American people are strong and our military stands ready to defend our freedom and our vital national interest anywhere in the world Definitely not striking the right tone there but this is

Something he's saying nicer things about Biden than he says about Trump and he was Trump's VP Michael Byrd Thank You and Michael Byrd theology professor in Australia Ray the way

I know about him is because a lot of the progressive evangelicals in the Southern Baptist Convention and Evangelicals and more probably seem to love

Michael Byrd and when I was a student at Southeastern he came and did some speeches at the school as well as a some podcast episodes

I think it was more than one if I'm not mistaken with Walter Strickland at the Center for Kingdom diversity at Southeastern and so that's how

I was introduced to him But for those who don't know I realize not everyone's on X but Michael Byrd, that's where he's big.

I suppose he's big In that world and he said thank you to President Joe Biden for his service not only to America, but to the free world

Including supporting the cause of democracy in Ukraine. So again, I mean these people they're showing their cards is what's happening

Biden is more revered than President Trump to them Even though Biden supports policies that are pretty monstrous and He's been a lousy president.

They don't really see it the way that most of you see it David French says if it's

Harris vs. Trump, it's a prosecutor versus felon and you can just hear them excited about this

I mean, it's but the media and Abuela Wasn't on X for I think years. It was a while and all of a sudden he's back and He said a lot of us miss it we know now we now know to miss it and prayerfully we'll see it return

And what's he talking about? the pre -trump political world the pre -trump political world so Trump's not gonna get back in and You know, there's a nostalgia.

It seems like they have they want the defeat of Trump and they want Harris to win and They're not saying it necessarily directly but You know, look at what they're not saying compare it to what they are saying and that's certainly the direction they're pushing the needle

Samuel Perry who wrote a book about white Evangelical white

Christian nationalism, so he's one of the big anti -christian nationalist guys he said after Biden's Withdrawal a cue and cue the racism in three two one

Micah Edmondson who writes for the gospel coalition many black women and men in majority white church

Spaces are carefully listening to how their fellow church members speak about VP Kamala Harris some questions

They ask themselves do these folks value representation even if it doesn't fit their partisan box so we are seeing

I think a Return of some of the people some of the cast of characters that I haven't really seen as prominent

For a while like the BDN of wheel a or even Micah Edmondson I mean he's been saying stuff, but he's it's now gaining a little bit more traction or no people are noticing more and it's the same narrative that we had in 2020 and I think it's because now you have a

BIPOC Candidate potentially who's gonna be the Democratic nominee for president.

It's not no longer an old white male So they had a hard time playing the race card right against Trump when it was

Biden a little bit and now Well, they can just go to town any criticism of Kamala Harris now is gonna be the n -word

In fact, I saw someone on X say something completely stupid that if you say minority higher or not minority higher

Sorry diversity higher ie if you're saying that they were hired because of their diversity not because of their competence or some other factor diversity higher

Then that is the n -word that is the n -word This rhetoric wouldn't have been there not as strongly at least if it was

Biden who still had the Democratic nomination secured But now that it's a woman and a quote -unquote person of color

This is going to be one of the main attacks, I think and you're gonna see evangelical People who claim to be that at least on the left carry that water now there were there was some dissent on this and I want to just acknowledge that and I want to frame this for you

So Andrew Walker said I dissent from the Biden that this from the idea that Biden Man let me let me start over there.

I don't know if I'm not reading this, right? I dissent from the idea that this was there we go an act of valor by President Biden.

Okay Had he not acted defiantly against the after the debate or made it clear months ago that he would not run

That would have been respectable but let's call a spade a spade the Democrats want power democracy is an obstacle

So he's saying what everyone's thinking handful of the ultra -powerful just took control of things every current and future officeholder should fear the precedent set in today's announcement and Clint Presley who is the

President of the Southern Baptist Convention said sounds right now I don't need to go over it for people who have listened to the podcast for a long time but Andrew Walker has certainly over the last five years been one of the obstacles in the way of holding

SBTS accountable and I would ask you With the information

I present at the end of this To assess whether Andrew Walker or even other people that you think are conservative at SBTS Denny Burke usually gets brought up whether or not they actually

Help the cause of Conservatism whether theologically or politically at their institution when in their own backyard they're unable to Say much about the things that they have more control over Now, I don't expect

I should probably say this I don't expect every single person at an institution in every position to commit career suicide

Not everyone's gonna be a Russell Fuller and sign the Dallas statement Even though the president of the institution puts a target on your back and I'm talking about Al Mohler for doing it

People seem to forget that Al Mohler was doing that even though now he's mr. Christian nationalist and all the rest

No that the same Al Mohler who pumped in CRT and me to stuff is the same Al Mohler that just a few years later is

Now saying how he's a Christian nationalist and shares a stage at Natcom with Doug Wilson and all this kind of thing

The interpretations of that I think are pretty interesting and some of them in my opinion are kind of wild I don't think

I Think certainly there's a shift going on. There's no doubt I think there's multiple shifts to be on quite honest with you going on and realignments and that's politics but to Say that someone who believed in same -sex orientation and said it was a sin for him not to believe in it and he repented at least of Denying it and now to see him

Shifting his position back to what it had been previously without even Not even a sense of the fact that hey, he held a different position for the last decade

Right seeing Al Mohler do that on multiple issues The conclusion that you can draw is

I guess you could say. Oh, he just he's getting more right -wing. That's one conclusion I suppose you could draw if you wanted to there's another conclusion that actually makes more sense of someone like an

Al Mohler over the Course of the last 40 years though, and that is he's a chameleon He's what the Liberals said about him in the early 90s that he's gonna shift with the winds

Just like a flag shifts with the winds. That's who he is That's I think consistent with his character more than anything else.

And so here's the question you have to ask yourself in this managerial elite Paradigm that we live in the people who are under him who signal their approval of him for job security

Who are pics of his? Who rely on him for their bread and butter and any clout that they might enjoy

What are they going to do when he makes these kinds of shifts? Well, the logical thing if you're someone who is about preserving yourself is you're going to shift with him

You're going to make the same kinds of shifts And so I would just ask you in this audience be careful

Okay, I think we can be cautious optimists we can look I've tried to frame it in private chats with guys who are on the right in the

SBC by saying look If molar or one of the guys at Southern does something good then the way to frame it is hey look even they

Agree with us the way to not frame it is follow them, you know, don't let them near the steering wheel

They've already proved they can't drive. They'll crash your car It just got pulled out of the ditch supposedly

We're trying to pull it out of the ditch and You don't want to put them back in the steering wheel.

That's foolish, right? So I would just encourage you the same Cynical attitude or just healthy suspicion.

Let's say that you have about the government apply that to these other arenas, please just have a little bit of a healthy suspicion there and And so when

I see Andrew Walker do that knowing that Andrew Walker was Publicly counter signaling Russell Fuller heavily when

Russell Fuller tried to hold sbts accountable for critical race theory Knowing that clint presley was advocating strongly for the dream act hired an illegal migrant at his church

Knowing that these are who those guys were not that long ago and they have not come out and said we were wrong about those things

You have to be a little bit suspicious and I think that suspicion would drive you to seeing it this way

And this is how I see it There are multiple competing factions in the southern baptist convention as well as evangelicalism more broadly and and also our nation

Or our country I should say There are multiple competing Factions, you can look and see a broad left and a broad right.

That's true. But within those there's there's always been competition, but there's there's also uh

There's groups that I that we could call a co -belligerent group but They are after power or they are after uh

They're after perhaps different objectives And in a different paradigm, they might look differently, you know

If if right now crt was the hot topic and you had a lot of advantages from being pro crt

There are people who with their weak character would find ways to justify that And remain in their positions at their institutions and accept all the prestige that comes with that in other words

I'm saying there's people that you have to see them as maybe not as principled as you would hope or at least be open to that possibility

And that's how I see some of this It is not unreasonable to ask people who have made bad calls in the past that were not just bad on a private level or small in scale, but major public blunders

To come forward and retract and apologize or at least admit and own that they made these errors when called out

Uh on them. I don't think that's an unreasonable assumption at all and I know there are those who do because i've gotten into discussions even with those that would agree with Many of us who are more conservative in this listening audience.

They they say well you can't expect someone to retract what they've said or To start saying, you know,

I was wrong when I said that years ago and i'm thinking Yeah, you can the issue with Not apologizing to the media or to a cancel mob or those kinds of things

I think has more to do with giving them authority. They don't have the authority to Squeeze an apology after you and you don't apologize to them.

They're not your they're certainly not god and if to pick a catholic analogy They're not your priest. They're not uh someone who

You know, you don't owe it to them and you don't want to put them in that place of authority that doesn't belong to them

But you should Probably since people listen to you If you're a public figure and took your advice and it wound up wrong or bad and maybe hurt them

You should probably own that there's nothing that's Weak about that.

In fact, I think that's a strength when you're able to do that and say i've learned since then i've gained wisdom And I hope you can trust me now because I am someone who gains wisdom when

I Look at the results of actions. I took that were wrong And one of those actions on the part of andrew walker was trying to block russell fuller's

Accountability from holding sway at the school so More could be said but I just I need to talk to you about this.

I've been having a number of conversations over the last Uh day really this urlc Urlc thing hasn't even been a day

And I I know there's a lot of frustration out there all over the place It doesn't mean you can't be cobelligerence

With a clint presley with an andrew walker With even an al moeller doesn't mean you can't be a cobelligerent if they're going to support a position that you support or a candidate

That you support or yeah. Hey We we could use all the help we can get but look i'm not letting you near the steering wheel

I'm not going to run cover for you and just ignore the damage you've done right that seems reasonable

But hey, i'll accept the support great uh, so All right.

Well, uh, well we got a A lot of people let me answer some questions that we'll get into the urlc stuff

I can't believe i've been podcasting for almost half an hour well, I should I should be able to believe it people know that this is my my tendency sometimes and I haven't gotten to some of the main topics, but Uh too legit to quit says what source of punishment what sort of punishment public admonition or more

I think he's responding to this comment should not the russell moore's david french's and the whole sbc lot be branded heretics

And be punished under a proper christian theocracy thought experiment wise okay, well

I I don't know if I'd frame it in those terms, but I I can dig the Desire to hold people accountable, which

I think is what him fong is getting at uh, and Uh, I think too legit to quit ask a good question.

What does that mean? I think it mean it does mean We have to assess the institutional power that we as orthodox

Theological conservative political christians have and that really is public opinion more than anything else.

We have very little representation in the halls of power Uh, we should we're seeking that in various ways.

Uh, in fact, I I talked to i'll just give a shout out real quick I did talk to the head of the institute for uh biblical theology down in florida and you know

This is one of the the things that they're trying to do in some way and there's there's a lot of groups trying to figure out what the formula is for producing or inspiring and uh betting and and getting leaders out there into churches and other places that are actually going to be

Orthodox and solid and principled and all the rest So, uh at this point, the main thing we have is public opinion

So that's what we It's the court of public opinion. I mean god's going to judge everyone, uh in the end, but uh, that's what we have

All right, so I don't see too many other Questions a lot of comments, uh keep

Bringing those comments and those questions as we get into the erlc which is one of the main things

I wanted to talk about so the urlc And here's a screenshot for those Who are watching not only is this a or sorry?

I'm still reading brent leatherwoods, but this is actually going to the urlc. I'm still reading brent Leatherwood's reaction to the kamala harris, uh endorsement and I should say the biden resignation really is what he's talking about here

But this flows right into what we're about to talk about. So i'll just read it the urlc Brent leatherwood said not only is this meaning biden's resignation a historical decision.

It is the right decision for our nation Despite what some partisans will say to walk away from power is a selfish act the kind that has been all too

Rare in our culture and this is what andrew walker dissented from He was dissenting from what everyone's saying the democrat talking points, but He was dissenting from what the urlc which is a southern baptist entity

Ethics and religious liberty commission supposed to be representing the interests of southern baptists in the public square.

They have money to do it They have legal briefings. They file they get behind certain political initiatives.

They are represented at gatherings of Different faith groups to represent southern baptists in the political sphere

And this is what the president of their organization had to say About biden's resignation and it goes along with what we just saw from russell moore and others that They want to frame it as if biden is this really great upstanding person and It doesn't match the reality.

We're seeing obviously it doesn't match What we're? uh the sudden shift from i'm as healthy as a horse to i'm

Resigning the dishonesty that seems to be accompanying that with the actual condition that biden's in Which the evidence that keeps coming in seems to be this guy must be pretty sick

It must be pretty bad Uh, yeah, we'll see we'll see. I mean, but i'm just looking at some obvious things like he didn't call in in a zoom call he had to If it was him some people are saying now that you know, they're figuring out that this was ai generated voice stuff, but You know whether or not it was

I mean they couldn't show him on camera something's off something's very off um and there seems to be a lot of less than honest approaches to Telling us what's actually going on This was a some are calling it a coup, but this was a an overthrow of biden.

He didn't have a choice in this matter Uh, that's the bottom line and so to start lionizing him as this great figure who stepped aside

And It doesn't match reality this I think there is a point to be made that yeah,

I mean months and months and months ago Years ago If he would have stepped aside and and he's still going to serve out his term.

What does that say about you? Where's the honor there? I'm not qualified to run for president. But boy,

I am qualified to serve as your president. Yeah real honorable uh, you know, thanks erlc for using our southern baptist money to signal approval for that So some are saying that this was the thing that got brent leatherwood in trouble

Because the executive committee for the southern baptist convention, which as I understand it is composed of six people

There's a board of trustees that has like 30 people or something, but the executive committee makes the decisions essentially and uh

There is you know those people somehow we're not exactly sure how this all happened why there's you know

No, it doesn't seem to be accountability in the spc They without any reason just said he's out

He is, uh, we have booted him. And of course here are the reactions from some prominent.

Uh, southern baptists Michael bird, I don't believe is a southern baptist, but he's loved by the left in the southern baptist convention

But you have karen suala prior the lord has given the spc over to its sinful desires

May he have mercy on them and on us all All right, so their sin.

It was a sinful desire to boot brent leatherwood Uh, and then you got michael bird when hatred is a virtue civility becomes a crime

So, yeah, it's hate that caused this and that's it's a people who think hate is a virtue And they went after brent leatherwood because man, he's just so civil

And then russell moore shameful and disgraceful a great christian man who lived through his children

Barely surviving a school shooting Southern baptist how much more of this? Are you going to let go on?

You cannot pretend not to see what is happening in your name Well, I think that's the issue actually they are saying what's happening in their name brent leatherwood's the one that's doing it in their name anyway

Russell moore then says sometimes the venn diagram of evil and stupid Is a perfect circle

Now I want you to just you just sit with this for a moment. You look at that real good what russell moore just said

Absorb what he just said because there is a real problem on That side uh, the institutional leadership on the evangelical left has a problem with really

Hating I would say I don't know what other word to use but They have there's an anger issue there of some kind and that's why it's rich that michael bird is saying

It's the haters are are the people who booted? Brent leatherwood last night or yesterday afternoon, but where do you see real seething hatred coming from?

Russell moore is angry about this. I mean and he left the sbc He's no longer part of it.

I thought you know, this wasn't his uh, this wasn't his Thing to care about but he really does care and I said to you at the time

I said Russell moore leaving the sbc leaving the erlc as the president slamming the door behind him

Doesn't mean his influence is gone. Everyone was saying, uh, you know Ding dong, it's it's over great.

He's gone We win and I said, I don't think you win because here's the deal I mean i'm saying it's good.

I'm glad he's gone But he is going to be now more powerful and maybe even more influential on the sbc in some ways than he was before and he doesn't represent the sbc with Money going to him and him being an official spokesperson, but hey, it's going to be his protege and it was brent leatherwood

And that's exactly what happened you just got someone just like russell moore into that position someone who wants to advocate for red flag laws

On the local level but can't seem to advocate for you know This is the same erlc. I should say brent leatherwood was there at the time

That can't advocate for a heartbeat bill, you know this is the same erlc that Wants to cover up the as and use about southern baptist resources to cover up the shooting manifesto from the transgender shooter

They're in nashville, uh, audrey hale and This is what southern baptist wanted right this is not what they should be getting from the erlc

And so, uh, tom askew kind of dressed him down last convention and tried to abolish the erlc

It was defeated, but it was a little too close for comfort and I talked to someone I would consider a friend and an insider to the southern baptist convention after that and he told me that He expected brent leatherwood to resign

After that to and he didn't give me a time frame, but brent leatherwood is likely going to resign Because he's a liability to the sbc he

And this didn't mean That the right was going to oust him by the way this didn't mean that a move to the right was going to be responsible for Getting brent leatherwood out of there.

It meant that brent leatherwood was not careful enough Brent leatherwood was too overt

In signaling left and he needed to be smarter about it It meant that brent leatherwood had already lost too much public faith to remain in that position and so I Didn't know

I didn't think that would happen. I was kind of skeptical to be quite honest. I saw that I said, I don't think I don't think this guy's gonna resign. He just fought tooth and nail for his position

I don't see it happening But I was open and then when I saw that happen yesterday that kevin smith the chair of the executive committee for the erlc

Announced that he was ousted Apparently sent an email to the trustees minutes before Making the announcement public

I thought well, okay. This is it And the way it was interpreted initially by a lot of people on our side of things who don't want to see social justice

Who want to see the urlc advocating for more biblical? Priorities in their minds that happen to be more conservative

Uh, the the interpretation was great. He's gone which I get I totally get and this was this was the right this was the flex of the right this was

How things have shifted and the sbc is shifting right as well And there is perhaps some evidence to indicate that in some ways you have some shifts going on I think a lot of it's a cobelligerency.

I think the southern seminary crowd Is has banded together with the actual conservative crowd

Who I would consider to be Probably like center for baptist leadership, uh the group that shows up for cbn events

Founders those guys that's who I would consider to be the real the conservative the genuine article But the southern seminary crowd, you know found common cause and the nine marks crowd, right?

And even some gospel coalition people because remember the law amendment was also Edited or I should say, uh, that's not the word they use it was

Amended by juan sanchez who's on the board for the gospel coalition, right? So you got people from nine marks

From the gospel coalition or from southern seminary all of whom pushed The needle on all these organizations at least pushed the needle on crt on uh

Me too towards the left and they're some of those guys are breaking off and forming a cobelligerency with Actual conservatives to try to get something as basic as the law amendment passed, right?

So that's how I see the shifts happening uh, there there may be there's a shift in the country certainly with a lot of mistrust of the government and The racism accusation doesn't have the same potent power.

In fact, I said earlier this week I don't think it's going to work to try to call people racist for disagreeing with kamala harris they're just so worn out about that, right, so there are shifts but I I wouldn't be so optimistic to say like hey, this is this is the right

This is because clint presley is really conservative or something, you know Yeah, he disagreed with what the url

Said or what brent leatherwood said in? In the name of the urlc i'm sure that has an effect

But you have to ask yourself how much of this is disagreement with substance? How much of this is?

Brand management Uh optics that fashion that kind of thing How much of this is this guy's a liability to us just like joe biden was a liability to the left

Ousting him right wasn't the the right Shift in the democrat party.

It was because hey biden's a liability. We got to get rid of this guy Right and and so that's that's what i'm encouraging you to see consider the possible parallel and Don't just jump to Necessarily.

This is a right -wing shift. Maybe there is some of that. I'm not saying i'm not discounting it but Believe what your eyes have seen over the past five years, right?

And don't don't be so quick I know we're hungry. We want to be optimistic. We want to be so We want to win and uh

And I get it. I do get it. So one of the reasons I say what I just said is because of this

Kevin smith who is the chair of the executive committee for The erlc uh

Is on the left Perhaps just as much if not more on the left politically than russell moore is

How can that be john? Well? I don't know if you remember I talked about on the podcast This was from only

I believe this was actually at a southern baptist convention. It was a nine marks event I think it was two years ago and I'm hesitant to play the audio because I think it might not come through well

But i'm going to try and if it doesn't i'll just read for you some quotes, but here's kevin smith asking a question of a panel that includes

Matt chandler pastor in texas mark deborah the head of nine marks and some others

I I I think it's impossible guys. I I wanted to see if it was possible to play that but I I think it's just hard you have to Get it in like a editing program to figure out what he's saying

Let me read for you an article that was about what he said. So Uh The This is uh from there's a number of articles actually about this, but I'm going to read the one from protestia

Uh, so I I spoke out of turn. I said nine marks event Uh, I thought it was

I thought it was nine marks But this article is saying it was southeastern baptist theological seminary where I went so they hosted the event

So the panelists were mark deborah danny aiken Aaron, uh menik menikoff and then jonathan lehman

Along with matt chandler. So kevin smith. Uh And matt chandler weren't listed on the promo

So anyway, kevin smith who was on the panel randomly walked up to the stage while another panelist was still talking and whispered something in deborah's ear

And then smith sat on the edge of the stage until the panelist was done talking once finished ever gave the mic to smith

So smith could offer his answer to whatever the question was Uh, it just this is someone's testimony

Just seemed really strange and awkward because apparently he inserted himself into a panel That he was not part of and then asked a question at the end of the panel

In the audience mic, too And he said i'd love to know what this is a quote from smith

I'd love to know what some white brothers think about this white And then it's unintelligible.

You mentioned 10 years as a window And i'm less hopeful 10 years later.

So I guess 10 years as a window to diversify the sbc I think some southern baptists lost their minds when a black man was elected president.

Not all but some I think some southern baptists were loving to black people beginning in 2012

With the killing of trayvon martin I don't mean agree about politics or policy I just mean giving a darn that somebody else is hurting who is supposed to be your brother or sister in christ

And I think some southern baptists just went uh bent over and became political whores with this whole trump stuff

That's the line Uh, and if black inerrancy city goes on let me just skip ahead.

Um I just wonder if white brothers think this has been Kind of crazy black white stuff going on asian hispanic

Just people who aren't white feeling like they're tolerated, but not really embraced and so Uh, he later on let's see

I guess this is also him. I feel that uh, Like maybe the last eight to ten years the insensitivity indifference concerning the supposed pain

Of brothers and sisters has not been a good testimony of christianity When a black man is licensed or wounded incensed or wounded about racial injustice in the us or excessive force used by police

Because someone is black. We can't be indifferent to that if we say we are the family and household of god uh, so uh, this is

And and I guess there's more let's see, uh During the baptist 21 panel, so this was another panel at the southern baptist convention in 2021

Uh smith arrogantly suggested that accusations of liberalization of the spc is coming from a few pastors

From small insignificant churches and they ought to be routedly ignored roundly ignored so Um, this is kevin smith.

This is the guy who supposedly just fired brent leatherwood uh, and then now resigned so this morning the news was kevin smith resigned his position as the chair of the uh board or the trustee board at uh, and the um, i'm trying to It's hard to you get confused because there's the board of trustees and there's the executive committee

So I guess the executive committee, but he resigned that position This morning and This is a guy who is clearly on the left in the spc by spc standards clearly buying this crt narrative stuff

Called people who supported trump in the spc, you know whores for trump The this is not a guy

That is firing brent leatherwood because brent leatherwood is too on the left Is that fair to say is that a reasonable assumption?

Unless he made a big turnaround so that changes the way I think you look at this a bit and Um, and so some people were saying well, you know, kevin smith wasn't happy like he was he must have been forced to do this

He just resigned guys I I don't see how he was forced to do this something else

I think is going on That's bigger or more important to the people who have an interest in this than just left right stuff and I I think you just got to see it that way and I don't mean to be the uh, the rain cloud here, but Let's have a little sense.

Okay um Now, uh megan basham pointed this out and i'm glad she did

Because you had all these guys come out immediately like karen swallow pryor and russell moore and they were so upset about brent leatherwood being booted from the erlc and who boosts

The post from russell moore being angry about this. Well a number of people juliette kham

George conway alissa farrah griffin jeffrey evan gold and who are these people?

Well one is at cnn uh juliette kham george conway um is a contributor at the atlantic alissa farrah griffin

Is a co -host cnn political commentator uh, the view co -host, uh, jeffrey evan gold attorney legal analyst on cnn um

This should tell you everything you want to know about who's Who who's russell moore's friends are who has a vested interest in the sbc?

Continuing on a leftward trajectory And it's those people in the media. It's the people that you look at that are totally pro -abortion that are totally, you know for open borders that are for Lgbtq Normalization in the worst ways.

I mean, these are the people that support russell moore These are the people that want someone like a brent leatherwood in charge of the erlc

And so why russell moore reacted the way he did I don't 100 % know i'm not in those discussions uh, there's a lot of possibilities it could be that there was a you know, he thought that There was something going on where maybe the right was flexing and getting rid of brent leatherwood

That seems to be the case. At least that's the reaction you see from karen stall prior to they seem to believe that They're ousting a good man for nefarious purposes

Right, and I think that's enough to excite us. We think oh man like that's uh That if they're upset then you know that and I would agree actually if they're upset that there's probably something good happening but just think through all the

Come up with a paradigm that fits all the things that we're seeing And if that doesn't that paradigm does not fit everything that we're seeing

So, um, this gives you all the information you need to know though about who's actually has a vested interest in pushing the sbc left

And then you had uh, bob smiatana at religion news service Saying that brent leatherwood

Um did the right thing and that he attributes They or that brent leatherwood saying biden did the right thing is the reason he was ousted

That's what he attributes it to melissa brown from the tennessean Uh does the same basic thing they blame it on his tweet

About biden and and we don't know if that was the thing that might have been the opportunity Could have been

I I don't know. Um, the tennessee holler a far -right faction of the southern baptist convention

Just pushed out their policy arm leader for commending biden Yeah, kevin smith far right

Far right faction is kevin smith, right? Yeah, I don't buy it. I don't buy that. That's exactly what's going on John whitehead who is a trustee at the erlc said well i'm having trouble understanding how this is a poss is possible

If smith didn't have two supporters There was no action But the erlc's first african -american board chair appears to be out and the six -person committee is at four baptists deserve transparency who's in charge

And this is a good question because the ethics and religious liberty commission just made a statement and they talked about their four uh, their their four committee um board

Members, I suppose and uh, why aren't there six? I mean, this is someone who's a trustee asking this question

A trustee of the institution, uh, that's crazy trustee doesn't even know what's going on And Smith I think it's important to note that because of the fact that these are the same people who want

Diversity and are gonna accuse you of racism if you criticize kamala harris they're the same people who just counter -signaled in the strongest terms kevin smith who is black and pushed him to the point of Resigning, uh, so you just got the first black uh chairman chair chair of the erlc's

Board out So it's less diverse now, I guess um and uh, and I guess he's the one that russell moore was talking about who was incompetent and evil and You know, this is the funny thing like they'll say all these things.

Who are they really talking about? I mean kevin smith's the one that made this announcement He says this kevin smith the trustees of the erlc

Steward the entity on behalf of the southern baptists in leading them. I made a consequential procedural mistake

The executive committee and other trustees are christ honoring volunteers who give much the mistake was mine. I apologize.

So he's taking the fall for it He's taking responsibility and saying it was him Brent leatherwood says

I deeply appreciate everyone who Reached out especially our trustees who were absolutely bewildered at what took place yesterday and jumped in to set the record straight

More to come so more to come brent. Leatherwood's I guess gonna they're gonna have to explain I mean, I don't know. How do you build trust back up again?

You've just lost it and at the same time everyone's losing trust in the democrat party our political system the deep state

I mean, it's within a week and a half period Who said like some days or weeks some weeks or years or something like that?

I mean, we've lived through a year in the last week and a half So the ethics and religious liberty commission reinstates, uh brent leatherwood now

Let's get to some other things. I want to talk a little bit about the southern baptist theological seminary because Crt is still being taught there.

I mean jarvis williams, I believe is still a professor there um And and of course his writings are consistent with critical race theory but It's more than just jarvis williams.

And so I want to show something to you before we get there though any questions We've been going over 50 minutes Uh, tina says, how can you praise biden and be a christian

I don't understand at all. Well, you have a serious Serious moral judgments. I said aaron red tried to do this where he praised biden for things that you know seem praiseworthy,

I suppose but uh You can't give like a an you can't look at his character and be like hey, uh

I'm gonna praise that I mean I would say even you know with trump trump's character itself There's there are things like bravery would be one there are things to praise but there are also things

Like he doesn't seem to have a self -control over his mouth and what he says. There's there's a lot of problems there

And so I would say, you know, we need to be fair about everyone. But yeah When it comes to the big picture the battle that's being waged.

There's no question. You can't You need to pick a side. You can't just be in the middle and trump uh is representing a the side that is opposing

Great wickedness and evil and biden has been the figurehead for that great wickedness and evil and allowing it to continue

I mean, he's an evil evil man Uh, all right more questions, uh, let me know there's a lot of comments coming in Praising biden cannot even be couched in romans 13

Uh the even the evangelical repugnant leadership club urlc. Thanks.

Thanks. Balaam Uh, all right, let's uh talk about this, uh for a moment here

I want to play i'm gonna play a short video for you And i'm going to uh show you some material being taught in A class at the southern baptist theological seminary now, uh some information about this class.

It's an ethics class actually at boys college Which is at the southern baptist theological seminary.

The professor is dr bays the program coordinator of worldview and apologetics and the co -director of the augustine honors, uh, call

If I could say it Collegium, the textbook is moral choice by scott ray

And the most concerning chapter in this is probably chapter 15 on race gender and diversity

Now this is what dr. Bayes had to say Uh, and there was no by the way, they're they're reading this they're being quizzed on this

There has been no Distancing or you know, like read this critically

Uh yet in the class So this this is what you have from dr. Bays of the boys college.

So i'm just going to play for you as part of this Well, congratulations you have made it to the final week

You can just go ahead and shut your laptop or your phone or your ipad or whatever you have off and we can just sell

Actually, we can't do that just yet. We've got I think it's important to say the final week. So Opportunities to go and correct all the the bad things that were just shoved into students heads.

It wouldn't be there This is the final week one more issue to discuss and it's uh, it's a really important issue that I think is

Extremely relevant to contemporary society and is one that christians have to think clearly

Carefully and patiently about so we're going to talk about race and immigration this week

Um the and and I put these together not because they are inherently in unison with one another

Whereas issues of immigration are always issues of great race and vice versa or anything I think they're just really important issues that I didn't want to choose one over the other

I wanted both of them to be together and I wanted them both to be in conversation because I think that they're both extremely relevant to issues contemporary

Conversations, especially in politics and just just writ large in general. Okay, so this week

So they're not really connected but they're both equally important and that no, come on they're

There's a reason that they're together. Uh, you're going to have some biblical passages again to look at and as you're thinking about race gender issues of diversity issues of immigration borders border control

All of that. I want us to have in the forefront of our minds when we reflect On race and immigration this week it is

Extremely important that we start to at least begin to understand

Issues of race and issues of immigration that we think through what it means for a nation to have borders

Is it good for a nation to have borders? This guy has mastered the art that al moeller is so good at of m russell moore, by the way of saying a lot of things

But not a lot of words But not a lot is being said here that they have borders. What does it mean for a nation to protect its borders?

What does it mean for? For us to see on the news or for us for us to see in the paper or for us to see in our social media feeds

Another minority young man who has been hurt or shot or or killed

By a police officer or or by something else. How are we supposed to think about these issues?

How are we supposed to think about them? How are we supposed to wrestle with these with these concepts? How are we supposed to wrestle with these experiences that we ourselves may never have but that brothers and sisters in christ have?

He just said the same thing four different ways and in casual conversations

Sometimes we can do that. In fact, sometimes it's important to say the same thing a little differently

To get the point across but he just said pretty much the same thing without a lot of inflection four times

Just want to point that out. I I know i'm being nitpicky I'm, just so annoyed at the state of education like this is a a video that you prepared for For a class that people are paying for.

I don't know. You can't just script it or Get some notes together, man how do we

Go about trying to understand them and trying to see them and trying to stand in solidarity with Those struggles and those battles.

How do we do that? How does the how does reflecting on the moral life help us to do that? There you have it.

That's what I that's the point of this and that's what I wanted to get to How does this we're going to talk about race?

Let me just summarize everything you just said we're going to talk about issues of race and immigration And we're doing this because we want you when you watch the news and you see these things in the news from a admittedly slanted leftist viewpoint where automatically

A police officer shooting someone who is a minority signals racism. We won't challenge that necessarily but We're gonna put that's part of this conversation.

We want you to see all that And then stand in solidarity figure out how you stand in solidarity with those people what people there's

The people who are on the losing end of I guess our border policies and police policies and those kinds of things that it's this is

Couched in all of this language, but when you strip it all back. It's about being an activist in some way shape or form and an activist slanted towards the left

How else do you interpret what you just heard? Okay, it's not as bad as it used and it's what

I have said for a long time southeastern. I know has done this It was overt from like 2017

Even 2015 but really from 2017 to 2020. It was overt At southeastern at southern crt being pumped in it's public.

I mean there's videos out there publicly for everyone to see It went underground students at southeastern weren't allowed to record in class anymore.

It went underground It's still there. I've said that it's still there That was a private video.

This wasn't public. This was well, I don't know private's not the word It's not probably it is it is a public link technically, but it's one that you you can only access

I guess If you are taking the course, so someone taking the course made it

Available more broadly or at least notified people more broadly that it was available because if you have the link it is public

It is available. It's on the internet. Sorry. It's it's available. I know that whenever I mean I did a whole, uh two hour presentation for My patrons, uh, you can go to patreon .com

forward slash worldview conversation. I should probably mention that I mean, I do another follow -up on this by the way, but it was on slavery and apologetics and um,

And and so I I did the same thing I put a link up there and I knew as soon as I put it up there i'm like this is public though This is public even though i'm sending the link to certain people.

It's going to be shared I know it's going to get out there and that's fine Um, but it I specifically made it for those people

And so that's where this came from so not revealing anything that wasn't technically public but uh, this is this is what you're getting at the southern baptist theological seminary and I want to show for you the textbook.

This is The textbook that they are using for this particular class at boys college um

And I got some quotes from it. I want to read for you. How about this one from page 339 those with gender dysphoria should accept their biological sex

As one of the givens of life and deal with the incongruity That their gender experience as best they can what seems clear is that the transgender person today would fit well in the category of the marginalized that jesus went out of his way to include leading with grace, but Without affirming things that were contrary to the truth.

This is exactly the same as preston sprinkles teaching for crew same thing uh

You have this quote here from page 328 In applying these passages that address same -sex sexual relationships is important to make a distinction between same -sex attraction and same -sex sexual relations

This is particularly the case given that a person's sexual orientation is not normally something that is chosen

This is not to say it's necessarily genetic in its origin Which sometimes is what it is meant by the phrase

I was born this way it can emerge developmentally and similar to many other traits It is not a choice many same -sex attracted individuals maintain

That they have never known a time in their lives when they were not same -sex attracted which underscores the fact that the orientation is not

Usually chosen as a general rule people are held accountable only for those things that are conscious choices

Thus the attraction this is that's the key right there. You're only held accountable for a conscious choice

Thus the attraction is normally not something for which people are morally culpable Though the orientation is a departure from the original design

However, the behavior which is chosen is something for which someone is morally accountable So there you go soft peddling same -sex attraction

Same -sex attraction is not sinful. That's how you could summarize that entire paragraph and transgender that people who are transgender, uh are

Marginalized and jesus would treat them as the marginalized of his day. That's what you just got from that And then you have the crt stuff, so here's some screenshots, uh from the book itself

I'll just read for you some of this the black lives matter movement founded by three african -american women uh in the aftermath of the trayvon martin shooting the movement

Aims to build in connections between black people and our allies to fight anti -black racism to spark dialogue among black people

And to facilitate the type of connections that are necessary to encourage social action engagement It goes through some of the history ferguson um

And uh, they are working to build uh, rebuild the black liberation movements of the 60s and 70s They argue their movement is a response to anti -black racism

They began as a protest movement against unjust violence against black blacks by the police in some communities

But has grown to take on the ways black people are rendered powerless by the state and culture. So there's an admission here that There's a legitimate concern that they have with these cases and what the cases use ferguson and trayvon martin

Which we both know in both those cases This there's isn't proof that this was a racism directed, you know

I I should say I don't even like using the word racism a racially, uh, motivated

Reason for why these people were killed the various causes they have taken up include poverty incarceration rates

Okay, all these quote -unquote systemic things Uh, they refuse to speak out against the killing of police officers by black shooters in dallas and baton rouge

Their tactics are different from the earlier civil rights movement and they have drawn criticism for being overly Confrontational and divisive.

So I guess that's the problem with them, right? They're just too confrontational and divisive, but their analysis I mean, they're the problems they're reacting to Those are legitimate.

Here's another uh paragraph to be fair many Who use the term white privilege are not referring to economic privilege rather white privilege often renders the advantage that comes with being?

In the majority it refers to not having to be conscious of one's ethnicity into the majority culture being seen as the norm

It brings advantage because it the majority tends to be respected and trusted in ways that minorities often are not

Here's another section Um, it is helpful to distinguish between racism and racial prejudice since they are two somewhat different things

Racial prejudice refers to negative stereotyping on the basis of race Uh and or belief and the particular race ethnicities are inferior to others

Racism is the combination of racial prejudice and the institutions of power In any given culture that enables a group to perpetuate patterns of discrimination.

So There you go. That's the crt stuff. That's you know, racism is

Not racial prejudice. It's about systemic disparities essentially, that's what it is and There's a problem with uh, you know whiteness really white white people

Setting the default settings their culture their thinking european defaults so Uh, you're getting this right now currently today at the southern baptist theological seminary at least at boys college

And you're not getting pushback. In fact, you're getting encouragement from the professor there and uh

That's the way it is. It's still that way So what a shock, right? No, I I don't buy that.

That's a shock. I think things have been pushed underground But this is still there and it probably will be there for years to come

All right, and you know if you you can complain to al moeller, I suppose all day. I don't know but this is that It's his institution man.

It's his institution so in the light of current events

Take all the things i've shared with you into account and uh, be optimistic where you can but be cautiously optimistic and uh,

Yeah, that's I don't want to say anything more because i've already said it But I will say in closing, uh last chance by the way to get questions in but I will say in closing that if you are looking for a respite a solid place to be with brothers who love the lord who are committed to the fidelity of the word of god who uh

Connections that you can make with them and rest and not have to worry about the tense political debates and frustrations

That you're going to find at so many other places whether it's the arguments over christian nationalism Or I don't even know, uh, because I mean we're all christian nationalists, right?

Now i've never taken the term on myself. But at this point, I mean it's being applied to me so many times You're not going to have the debate at this particular

Men's conference and that is the fundamentals Conference, of course, that's what i'm referring to And if you go to fundamentals conference .com

You can register and there's a number of registration options For those who want to come but I would really highly suggest coming we're going to have a great time

Dr. Richard bargess is our main speaker ad robles is going to be there. I'm going to be there And uh, we just we have great food great fellowship great fun

And uh, you don't want to miss it. It's a great price too, by the way I mean we you know a lot of conferences

I'm finding this out now that i'm having to plan be part of the planning of conferences for truth script uh, i've

I've just found out it's so expensive You would not believe what it costs to rent out somewhere somewhere like the arc encounter, you know for a conference

It's insane in my mind. It's just it's incredible Um, but what happens with these big conferences is they charge vendors a lot of money

And then of course you get charged when you show up, you know, you to take it, you know your parking ticket, uh your uh, you know food some while you're at the conference you're being charged for that if they provide it or or you have to buy

Your own but you got transportation costs getting there Obviously, they're not covering that and then once you're there you got a ticket for admission uh, sometimes you get

I think the shepherds conference is one of the best deals because you get a whole bunch of books back and stuff And they got volunteers to offset some of that but you know ultimately, it is an expensive ordeal and one of the things we've done with this is

I only charge you for What the camp is telling me to charge? There's no nothing is covering the administration

Nothing nothing is conner covering honorariums for this um, I either pay that myself or You know, the church will pay that or help pay that um or a combination of the two

We want to get this as low as possible In fact, if you can't pay to come we want to get you there somehow. Let me know we can't pay for your plane ticket, but we'll give you a

Sponsorship, uh if we can't if you want to sponsor someone let me know My email address is on fundamentals conference .com

because we want people to be there. That's we want the encouragement. It's for you guys It's not where no one's making money

If anything, we're losing money when we do this kind of thing, but we want it for you because you need it and uh

It's just a wonderful gathering. We need it too We need it to i'm saying we I guess me and the speakers and and the church my church that's helping host it

So check it out Uh last call for questions. I only see uh, I see some comments.

I only see one question External Eternal vigilance is the price we pay for christian liberty

I don't know. I think i'm entering a discussion. I don't understand so i'm not even going to try But uh, maybe yeah,

I guess I can see that. Well god bless. Uh more coming Like I said, there's a truth script tuesday tonight 8 p .m

Live stream you can go on youtube to truth scripts Uh, I think it's just the channel's just true script or on itunes

It's true script live and you can check it out that way And i'm going to be talking about my review of the movie horizon i'm going to be talking about Oh, what else just some of the other events that we talked about today?