Thomas Fleming Explains Self-Hating Europeans

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But we're live now for some of you. This means your lunch break for some of you. You're just getting up. But good morning, America. We have a special guest with us today who has not been on before Dr. Thomas Fleming, thank you for coming on the podcast.

Dr. Fleming really appreciate it. Well, it's a pleasure John and I know we met what now a year and a half at least something like that ago and You you have quite the pedigree and I can't read all of it.

But dr. Fleming is president of the Fleming Foundation. He served as the editor of Chronicles magazine from 1984 to 2015. He is the president of the Rockford Institute or was the president from 97 to 2014 and has written many works and We're gonna talk about a topic that I know you you're very well versed in today.

You told me before we started recording you've been thinking about this for about 20 years and that is why I answer the question Why is it that? Europeans white people Westerners seem to have an affection for Foreigners and hate themselves at least our elites seem to have that and the simplistic explanations out there I've heard don't seem to make sense of it.

And I know you've thought very deeply about this. So I appreciate you coming on to share your thoughts and help us explain the world. We're living in.

The Roots of European Self-Dislike in Christian Morality and the Renaissance

Well, you know it it it is an odd phenomenon because if you went around the world say Two or three hundred years ago and even today if you go to rural areas If you I spent a lot of time in Italy and if you go to an Italian village Not only do they know Italy is a better country than every other country and their region of Italy whether it's Lombardia In the north and I covered their separatist movement for years or down or in Sicily.

They know that their really region is the best and not only that they know that their village is the best and that they're part Of their village is the best. I used to know a Marxist political theorist that he lived in the Abruzzo and he said in my town.

We not only knew a foreigner or an alien like somebody from northern Italy. But we knew a guy who walked into our neighborhood from the other side of town because even though he was wearing the same clothes He wore his hat a little differently and we hated it now.

Okay hatred isn't nice. But the fact is if you really love who you are and who you belong to and you love your your family you know the Maybe the greatest Christian poet of all time Dante. He refers to relatives and friends as a me.

My folks my people mine. Now this is this is normal. This is how we're constructed by our creator to love our own. And so when you have a whole civilization which for about 500 years has been teaching It's it's best and brightest to despise themselves and to look elsewhere whether to primitive societies in Africa and South America or else to Asia as superior this is this is Extraordinary and it begins like so many things begin In our world it begins in the Renaissance when people wanted to escape the power of Christianity because you know priests and Lutheran ministers and Calvinists they agreed they disagreed on a lot.

But they agreed that we have a moral nature and moral obligations. For example one man one wife. Well, if you're a rich playboy, this isn't very attractive. So for a variety of reasons they began looking at alternative cultures which they celebrated and.

And.

Held up for example the great French essayist Montaigne wrote an essay on the cannibals in which basically he says people who eat their Grandmothers are morally and culturally superior to French Christians.

Now this is you would think preposterous see the fact that even calls it the essay on the cannibals, but it's one of the most Influential essays ever written in the past 500 years. So it begins in the rebellion against against Christian morality.

Edward Said, Post-Colonial Theory, and the Long Anti-Western Tradition

Now one of the things I've seen what one of the explanations that seems a little more sophisticated. It says that this all started with post-colonialism and Edwards I say AIDS if I'm pronouncing his name correctly his essay orientalism, but you're saying no.

This goes back way farther.

Yes, he's Syed with his side comes up with this theory, which is a very derivative theory. He was not an original thinker at all that that Western man has an inferiority complex. So we have to go around beating up other people yellow people black people brown people.

It's in his case, you know, he claimed to be Palestinian though. He had never actually lived in Palestine. Very funny, but his arguments and then before that it was largely a question of anti white cologne colonization of Africa and bringing slaves to the new world and This this was the dominant idea before Syed before that if you go back to the 1920s even.

There a group of surrealist intellectuals. They were mostly communists in in France. They denounced Paul Claudel great Christian poet and playwright who was ambassador to China. Claudel had made a statement saying that it was object was to defend Christian civilization and everything in the West.

The surrealist about in the 19 late 1920s came up with a manifesto saying there is nothing good in the West.

I've never heard this. Wow.

Christianity is a poison and it needs to be eradicated and Western civilization is nothing but Exploitation of people who are better than we are now. The thing is these surrealists were coming in a very long tradition.

But unfortunately the idea that poor Edward Said, you know is responsible. He has he was just one the the most recent in a very long chain that goes back hundreds and hundreds of years.

Rousseau, Noble Savages, and the French Fashion for the Exotic

Does that chain start with Rousseau because some people will say it's Rousseau's noble savage that really got this going.

Rousseau's noble savage is important, but he is not the first Frenchman to celebrate savages. I mentioned Montaigne a several hundred years earlier and between Montaigne and Rousseau the more and more of these French intellectuals heard stories usually phony stories about how Wonderful it was to be an Indian in North America or South America.

They dropped the cannibalism bit that they found that that was a little upsetting to people and so but writer after writer and and so it would either be American savages or there's all these plays in say 17th and 18th century French plays poems books in which a Persian or Chinese comes to Paris and they write witty ironic things about how crazy the lives of Western Christians is and this was a very, you know popular form of literature.

Voltaire did it Montesquieu did it. I mean it was just a way you could show you were very clever. Some of the books like the Persian letters are actually pretty funny because it's it's a two-edged sword but usually the sword only cuts one way our world is absurd and stupid and Everyone else is smarter than smarter better more moral more creative than we are and the defense of Indians that that is that that is mounted.

I have I have no I have no animus against against the native peoples of North America. I when I was growing up in northern, Wisconsin. We we had friends who were tribal. Ojibwe was a fishing guide who took us everywhere.

Wonderful man but the fact is that they were almost all cannibals in the old days and it was quite a Quite a primitive miserable world. They had not advanced very far in agriculture they had very few skills.

And to celebrate this as superior to an advanced civilization it It is simply It's the beginning of this host self-destructive impulse that that we now see everywhere. I mean, it's the it's the it's the ideology of the Democratic Party.

Enlightenment Skepticism, Descartes, and the Attack on Tradition

So then. Would you say this is a French project. Then to? This self-hating European like that it spread from France to other places.

What explains it? What are the origins of it? It it doesn't start in France actually. But since France was the dominant cultural force in in European civilization from say the 16th century to the early 20th century.

Anything that was getting popular in France would be spread to England and then to North America. And so the French were it if you do if you couldn't speak French in 1850. You might as well hang it up because you're not gonna you're not gonna go anywhere do anything.

The French have never got over this idea that they are not only like the home not young the great nation but also that they are the culture bearers of Western Europe and They deserve it. I mean they but they became the great sort of spearhead first of the Renaissance and then of the Enlightenment and Basically the the the Enlightenment project as it's sometimes called says that you can't take anything for granted.

Everything is open. It's up to you as the individual thinker to first of all eliminate all tradition all faith all moral givens and then you then Systematically build up the world according to what you see it as and this is this is Descartes.

This is this is the entire project of Western philosophy down to the present philosophy has become a very Destructive discipline because it teaches children to doubt with their parents and grandparents tell them.

Before you can go through a period of doubt. You have to have a period of certainty before you can study other cultures. You have to be at home in your own so that you have a place to stand. But there were really I that where it really begins.

I think it's in in Florence in the 15th century.

Where.

Florentine intellectuals began to study the occult and when they studied the occult like Writers, these were writings that were supposed to be by ancient Egyptians ancient Persians and Babylonians. They're really in late in the Roman Empire.

They're they're fraudulent documents Hermes Trismegistus the Chaldean Chronicles. There's it's a whole lot of junk and They began to this has the wisdom of the universe and and they joined it with sort of neo Platonic Speculation but it gave them a wisdom whatever is true in the Bible they would say It's true because it's imitating Moses was in Egypt and he talked to the Egyptian priests and they taught him everything he knew the same thing is true.

They would say of Plato so everything come goes back to the Egyptians the builders of Solomon's Temple and to the ancient Babylonians and therefore our traditions are sort of bogus and derivative and it's a very very dangerous and evil Project because basically what it taught you is if you learn magic mumbo-jumbo.

You can escape the demons that you have to pass that you have to get past if you want if you don't want to burn In hell forever. So it's a it's a get out of hell free card if you if you learn this this system and how it could take over the most brilliant intelligent people of the period it's a it's it's sort of amazing but it does and Florence propagates it and then when the when the daughter of Of the of the of Lorenzo the Magnificent the great ruler of Florence he marries his daughter to the king of France.

Then I mean to the the heir to the French throne that these that these these Florentine ideas Flood into France in the in the late 15th early 16th century. So if you're looking for an origin and by the way the same tradition this occult tradition.

It infects the whole world because you it I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist. But but basically that's the heart of Freemasonry in other words that the builders of the pyramids have a secret wisdom and that could that has been passed down to the Masons and and and eventually.

If you went up all the degrees of Freemasonry in the 18th century. You realize that all all rulers were evil all priests were evil. All all all Christian religion was evil and you repudiated it. And so essentially you became a kind of pseudo Egyptian.

Identity, Family, and the Human Need to Love One's Own

Hmm.

That that's fascinating. I just have so many questions I don't even sure where quite to start and just a reminder for those who are streaming if you have questions get them in On X on YouTube on Facebook, and I will try to ask Dr. Fleming what you have?

So I'm gonna ask my questions first though since it's my show. There does seem you know, there's a natural Proclivity people have in fact someone Keanu Keanu Shaw. But I say that my high school is the best my class was the best same with my college and major, right?

This is a natural human instinct. That's right say on Father's Day, my dad's the best dad unless you had a really terrible childhood, I suppose and That seems to be have been some Disconnected from our elites in Western countries.

So that what I'm wondering I guess is if you're saying this stems from a religious impulse that The religions of these other places are superior. Two questions wrapped up in this why not go back to if you're gonna do that your own pagan Roots, right because Europeans pre-christian.

They have their own paganism that they could appeal to and there were people obviously who did that. And and why why does that also have to affect? Your view of your own people. So, you know disconnected from a religion.

Why can't you say? Well, we got religion wrong. Hypothetically, but you know I still love my people and I want what's best for them because the situation right now just like where We're gonna like give all this money to Haitians, but we can't protect the people in Appalachia.

It doesn't make any sense to people.

Yeah, no, it doesn't and it doesn't make any sense that the a lot of this is related to the the notion of of Primitive man being superior to the man of advanced civilization. Now the thing is none of these people knows the slightest thing about how primitive people live.

Or about how ancient Greeks and Romans lived or how the Egyptians live they they they invent peoples that don't exist the for example. The ancient Greeks were very religious, you know say Paul goes to Athens and he says I can see you're the most religious people of all because you have a you have a Statue to all the other gods and here's one to an unknown God.

Now Paul actually got it, right these were very Religious to the point of fanatically Faithful people into their own religion. Families were attacked. Parents were respected all of this and it's and it's just also true primitive societies.

But see these people reconstructed and so originally don't all fathers don't have any control over their children after the age of 12. You can do anything you want to do so they invent us as other Societies that is a model for them and the model is everybody's equal to everybody else.

Everybody's the same as everybody else. There's no difference between father and son. There's no difference between man and wife. There's no difference between male and female. And you can make you can be anything you want to become.

It's like there's an old Clint Eastwood movie called Bronco Billy and and they you could and in Bronco Billy's West Wild West show you could be what you want to be. Well if we live in a society where we think people could change their identity tomorrow and.

And so in such a view and you and again you attribute it to everybody else in the world. But us we have these hang-ups about mom and pop and grandparents and tradition and loyalties. No, no, we're the ones who are breaking all the rules primitive peoples are much in this sense are much smarter than we are.

They honor their parents. I Saw a dumb TV show it was. It was Red Fox and it's and his son play is becoming Entranced with after everything African and so he insults his father in front of an African friends.

And he's oh to be African. You must respect the elderly. Well, that's largely true. We we what our schools are designed to teach you to despise your parents to despise authority to despise Hierarchy that that no and yet on the other hand we create this artificial group we call experts.

So if you pick up a daily newspaper today, hi, I'm an expert on nutrition or I'm an expert on relationships. It is so total goofball. Who's all he's an influencer and and he invents a resume and and he starts saying Preposterous things, you know.

If you ate 50 eggs every day, you would you would live to be 300 years old and people accept this at face value.

The Myth of the Blank Slate and the Destruction of Family, Church, and Culture

So what you're saying it sounds like is The grass is greener first of all there there's this. When you don't understand something and you have a romanticized view of it. You tend to think it's better and superior and it sounds like almost the dynamic that the North had after The Civil War or the war for southern independence, I know.

I think you use that term or. But you know. They you had that novels like gone with the wind that Northerners were buying up because they felt they had lost something in their own civilization and we're looking for it.

So that's kind of what you're saying is there's this lost this lostness that we have in the West. That may be as a result of modernity and we're looking in these primitive societies for what we've lost.

We have but every it's not so much that we lost that we destroyed it. Classes did everything they could for example if you just look at family legislation from say the American Revolution down to World War two in every generation.

They weakened marriage they weak and they weakened the authority of parents over children. They you know things like school attendance laws. Imply that parents don't want to do what's best for their children.

The same thing with the employment laws for children, but divorce laws by the 1880s foreign observers were saying of the United States. They have divorce on demand. Now we think divorce on demand was invented in the 1960s.

No, no. You realize all the northern states had basically you could say my husband drinks, I don't approve of that I wanted to get a divorce. So the we destroy all our fundamental institutions. We destroy the family we destroy the influence of the church.

Oh churches are fine. As long as they don't meddle in politics. That's that's utterly preposterous. We've destroyed forms of art and music that used to give joy and they're replaced by things that nobody in his right mind would you know you go to it you go to the Museum of Modern Art in New York and it's it's a nightmare of Horrors that they want you to look at and say oh that's beautiful.

So you we destroy everything and then naturally you you you yearn for something now. This means there is an opening there is an opening for people who are Christian or conservative or have a tradition especially in the south.

Which is the last place where we have these traditions in the United States and you know gone with the wind maybe in some respects. A silly book, but it's a very accurate book. That is the the I once I gave gave some lectures on this her Depiction of the way southerners live their attachment to kith and kin the way they thought of things.

It's all dead on and so it's actually a nice book to give to people. So they can read such a book or read some of Faulkner's novels or read, you know the literature of the world gives you an image of how human life can and should be lived and Guess what?

That's why they don't teach it in schools and universities. If people grew up reading the Bible the Iliad and the Odyssey Greek tragedies Shakespeare Dickens if they had a good dose of that. They'd have they realized that just about everything they're taught about human life in school is wrong.

That's the literature can play but we can't so it's very interesting for about the past 25 years. All the Ivy League schools in America complain and and and and all the all the best universities. They can't get students to read finishable.

Not not a single book. When I was an undergraduate. This was some time after they say during the Punic Wars when I was an undergraduate I I took a lot of French classes and in my 19th century French novels class.

We had to read a four or five hundred page novel in French a week. Do you know you couldn't get somebody to read a 400 page novel a month at Yale?

Cultural Amnesia, Education, and the Loss of Literary Formation

So.

It's a lost art. It's it's a lost skill. I'm going back and I'm sure it's worse now, but you know 15 out of more than that now I guess 16 or 17 years ago in undergrad and I took an 18th 19th century literature course.

It was a community college. That's where I started and and we didn't read hardly any classics. It was all they tried to pick the trashiest novels from that time. You know, we were reading like Moll Flanders we were we were deconstructing Pride and prejudice and making Frankenstein a gay novel and I mean it was just terrible.

It was just terrible.

But uh, that's why I tell people don't don't take English courses. Yeah English literature is great. I my father was a great reader and so I was reading this stuff when I was 10 years old and. So when I went to college and I had to take a one or two English courses just to for me to requirement.

I can't believe people are sitting around Gabbing about about books that you should just read and enjoy and then move on and and study something else. But now English literature and all literatures are used if if it's what you might call a book with traditional Conservative values if it's Jane Austen or Walter Scott you either show that the author actually was meaning the opposite of what right or that the author is a moron.

And these people are very evil and those are your those are your choices. The idea that you would read pride and prejudice and and and. Understand that this is a beautiful depiction of social and moral relationships.

Oh, that's impossible. These people didn't know anything.

Yeah, yeah, I think we were told it was a feminist novel because women at that I remember specifically my professor said women at that time Were just killed and left in the gutter and everyone would pass them by and no again.

I was like where there's no source. It's just yeah, you know Jane Austen though. She could see she wrote against it.

The teachers who say this probably believe it because they themselves were raised in a system where they never had to learn anything about human reality.

Yeah.

Okay, so so we've talked about France and French intellectuals and an enamoration that some of them had with the occult or at least these ancient religions and this leading to this depiction of the West as inferior and then also this.

Longing for things that we've destroyed in other cultures and so magnifying them. One of the observations though I had. I want to get your take on this. During 2020 when all the monuments were coming down, especially in the South, but it wasn't just the South I mean Lincoln even came down in Boston and there are Columbus statues coming down and all the rest.

I noticed that that controversy seemed to be unique or at least it was more prevalent in British and in British derived Colonies former British tribe colony. So in the United States and Great Britain in South Africa, I think even in Australia Canada, you know, there were these problems and yet France I remember I think it was the president of France.

I think it was still Macron at the time. He he basically said we're not doing any of that here. Yeah, and of course they have churches burning all over the place so maybe that's their version of that but it just struck me that the this British Empire Was I don't know if it was something intrinsic to the fact that they were an empire at one point.

But they seem at that time to be more enthusiastic to take down their own traditions and their own heroes.

What explains that that's it. That's an excellent point what I think one of the reasons for it is that the the And the English the Anglo-American tradition, which is also then the same as Australia and elsewhere Early on it developed a kind of Rational revolutionary view of human society and Which by the weak party and it became known as classical liberalism now I have a lot of friends who consider themselves classical liberals libertarians and what they believe in is that human freedom is More important than anything else and so in order to gain human freedom You may have to overthrow the king overthrow churches overthrow the authority of family.

Yes, the the wealth differences. Everything has to be made a level playing field. Now that means that traditions are really just a record of oppression and of people denying Freedom to others and of course, this is ridiculous.

I I used to spend a lot of time During the during the wars in the Balkans when the break during the breakup of Yugoslavia I was there a lot as a journalist and I got to meet the man who claims to be king of Serbia and he was given back his palaces and things and I went To visit him in in in his palace and he is he is the legitimate.

He's the he's the son of the last king and he's he's now given an honorary title of crown prince. And I was there with a few friends and there were still communist monuments on his property. And of course, it was the communists who overthrew his father destroyed Serbia.

And so they asked they asked him. Well, why do you allow those common those communist monuments? He said I can't change history history happened. It's real and that's part of that's part of my life and it's part of the life of my people.

I can't eliminate it, even though I hate it.

Now.

It's he's maybe not the most brilliant person I've ever met. But the crown prince Alexander is not a moron and he realizes that yes. History is something that if you try to overthrow it and say it never happened.

You can't learn anything from it. And you also it means you can't honor any of your ancestors. During the French Revolution. They not only destroyed some and blew up some of the most historic churches in Paris they also went in to to one of these churches the Church of St. Dennis and.

They defaced all the monuments of the early French kings because they were good. They're gonna they're gonna start with a blank slate. No more history. And in fact, they repudiated the very idea that they were French.

They said the Franks were German invaders of a Celtic nation and we're gonna wipe out every again. The aristocracy are Franks and the rest of us are Gauls. You know, we're even like the ancient people that Julius Caesar conquered.

I mean, this is first of all, it's preposterous history because they because they fused about a thousand years ago or more so. But the the goal was to wipe out the past. Entirely so that they could build a new future.

They did the same thing during the Russian Revolution. They wiped out all these monuments of Russian history. They killed the czar and his family including including children and and and the systematic it was actually it was Stalin who's who stopped it because he realized that if you you couldn't continue this and Fight World War two at the same time and you had to bring the Russian Orthodox people back into supporting the country.

I mean he had at least a lick of sense. He had more sense than our leaders. Who. Who they think you could run around first and destroy all these southern monuments. Years ago I was asked by the Washington Post to write an article with my friend Mike Hill who started the League of the South and basically, the article was on why the destruction of southern monuments is defined by international law as cultural genocide and.

That's what we're doing and I said in the article if look some of some of the evil southern slaveholders are named George Washington Thomas Jefferson James Madison James Monroe. The founders of this country that we if you want to honor the United States you can't go around destroying monuments to the south and that I said your day the day will come when Everybody's monuments if you ever if you ever had a house servant or if you ever got into a quarrel with an Indian.

You're going to be over you're going to be Dismissed from the historical record and of course it happened, but it's this hatred this hatred of the past. It's you can write a if you have a blank slate.

That means you can make people do anything you want to do. You reinvent human nature. That's what Mark said Mark said man is the only creature who makes his own Essence. In other words, we we other creatures are determined.

A bear grows up to be a bear a dog is a dog. But we can be anything we can redefine ourselves. And so in the Soviet Union, that's what they tried to do. They redefined human society human nature. You don't need extended family.

You don't need property. You don't need social hierarchy and in the end a tiny part of the population. Like one tenth of 1 owned and controlled everything and that is exactly what goes on when you destroy your past in the name of Liberation of minorities no minority is getting anything out of this.

It's only Pete the people who own the country. They're the one who get everything. Yeah.

Jewish Involvement, Conspiracy Theories, and Shared Responsibility

Well on that note, I would like to ask another question of you because this is another narrative That I hear sometimes and I see some people in the comments In fact, one person said that Montaigne was Jewish.

So Half Jewish, okay, so you talk about Communism and this ideology and I I guess my own opinion which maybe doesn't matter since I have you on the show. But just for people who are listening who care.

I think there's an ideological angle to this that's not Specific to necessarily even Marxism, but more broadly speaking ideology itself does this kind of flattening and Eliminates tradition in the past.

But anyway, people will say if you're talking about communism Marxism, you're talking about a Jewish project if you're talking about European, you know anti white hatred or whatever. You're also talking about a Jewish project.

These things are linked and it's because Essentially Jewish people lived as minorities in these places and There's a lot of resentment and they want revenge because of the way they were treated and so they're going to become the elites.

They have strong in group preferences. They're gonna control things and then that explains a lot of guys online think that explains all the anti white hatred that exists. Which I don't necessarily see that but I wondering okay.

So is that a contributing influence though? Are there Jewish people who feel this way and are trying to fuel this kind of thing?

Yeah, you know, it's it's a it's an interesting question. And it's easy to go to go to go off the deep end on any question because there's no There's no area of human life where you could say. And it's the trouble with conspiracy theories.

They make things very simple, right? The fact that the fact that the fact that Montaigne was half Jewish probably is important to his dislike of Christianity and he Supported King Henry the fourth who was who it was indifferent to religion.

He was a he was a Protestant who what he said they'd said look Become Catholic and your king and he said well Paris is worth a mass, you know I mean a complete cynic. I found a reference to of an English travelers that I spent I spent the Christmas I spent Easter with The King we celebrated the Eleusinian mysteries.

I'm gonna think I was an occultist so anyway, my point is that The movement was not primarily started by Jewish people however, it is also true that Some of what people say is right I mean that Jews feel uncomfortable in societies run by non-jews.

Just as Christians would feel uncomfortable in a society run by Muslims say Middle Eastern Christians really have access to grind both against the State of Israel and against and against Islam and So they've been recruited Over and over but they are they are you they are not the intellectual leaders who created this.

These are largely Ex-christians who we have to accept we have to learn to accept the Responsibility ourselves. Sure Jews have been recruited. I mean Marx was Jewish Lenin was at least partly Jewish Trotsky was Jewish, but then you have to look at all of the great lefty revolutionary thinkers of the past 300 years and Jews are only a small minority and by and by the way Not the most important thinkers.

Marx is a very derivative Second-rate thinker he you can see where he gets all his ideas from and it's not from Jewish people. So the There's an interesting man in Russia great mathematician was a friend of Solzhenitsyn Igor Shafarevich.

I went had the pleasure of having dinner with him in Moscow and Shafarevich is hated by the CIA. They claim he's an anti-semite because he wrote a book called Russophobia and Russophobia is about in Russia the same thing that we're talking about today Russian self-hatred of their own traditions and he wrote a book very smart book of Tracing it and you know about a third of the people he talks about are Jewish and so he's accused.

I've read the book and it's funny because they don't they don't publish a translation. But a friend of mine of the CIA gave me a copy of the book so I could read it in English. And in fact, it's a very sober sensible book and he never blames the Jews.

He just but he points out that this tradition of Russian liberalism. Means we Russians don't come from this like we're not French. We have our peasant traditions. We are deeply Orthodox. We have all sorts of patriarchal traditions and If you compare us to France and England while we're very primitive people and so this the writer after writer intellectual after intellectual political leader after political leader.

Adopted this point of view which makes the Russians seem petty and stupid and primitive. And of course there were there were Jewish writers who subscribe to it. The Jews didn't invent Russophobia they latched on to it, but they didn't they didn't invent it and it's time to quit.

Yeah, hold everybody responsible for what he does. But but there's no point in trying to shift the burden off ourselves because we're responsible.

Post-christians have done this to us. Yeah, I actually there was a Twitter thing a few weeks ago Where people were saying basically all the immigration problems or it's all Jewish. It's a Jewish project in America.

And so I just asked a simple question. Who let these Jews in? Yeah, you know because at the beginning there was. I think I was looking at a census from 1790 and I think it said 500 probably. Sephardic Jews probably in South Carolina mainly were in the country and I'm thinking.

You know, obviously the immigration Policy was crafted by Anglos, you know from the beginning. So.

And by the by the way, you know a lot of the South Carolina Jews were very loyal during the war. You know Bernard Baruch who is the richest man in America in the 1930s a big advisor of Franklin Roosevelt.