November 30, 2021 Show with Jon Harris on “Christianity & Social Justice: Religions in Conflict”

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He is the co-author of a couple of books and the one we are addressing today is Christianity and social justice religions in conflict. It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron John Harris.

How it's great to be with you Chris. Always thank you so much and.

Action there. I'd like to go look at those pictures. Yeah, it's it's just such a joy. It is. It's actually such a rebuke to me for being so anxious and fearful that I would not find An adequate facility when I found out that my landlords my current landlords are selling their historic House where this program has been broadcasting since we relaunched in 2015 and contrary to Christ's admonition to us to be anxious for nothing.

I was anxious about everything in regard to finding a new place for a reasonable cost in a nice neighborhood and The Lord gave me abundantly more that which I even had hoped for. So I'm looking forward.

I'm looking forward to broadcasting from there for many years. God willing.

And.

I thank all of you who have been praying for this. But. You have written a previous book Social justice goes to church. Tell us how Christianity and social justice religions and conflict is different from the previous book.

Social Justice as a Religious Movement

Yeah, I did it backwards. I should have probably written Christianity and social justice first. So Christianity and social justice the new one. But I just is something doesn't feel quite and doctrinal and you read the new one Christian.

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Hey, you know Chris I'm on the same page with you and John Harris and all the other guests you've had on the program opposing the social justice movement critical race theory Woke ism in general, but come on man.

You've had Probably more than a dozen interviews on this subject. Why don't you give it a rest enough is enough? Well, I don't think enough is enough because I have just been astonished as Time progresses to see who is coming out of the word work as they say When it comes to this topic when it comes to people who embrace A social justice as it is defined by those in the woke movement who are coming from Conservative and confessionally reformed churches.

I'm my mind is spinning. I can't even I can't even comprehend How some people who have been members in good standing and even in leadership positions? Especially in reformed Baptist Circles confessional reform Baptist circles.

I've heard about it Being fairly unfortunately rampant in such denominations as the PCA and I have and I have to be quick to say there are a multitude of very fine outstanding PCA churches and pastors who are equally as opposed to this movement as I am.

But it seems to be amongst reformed people the place where you most commonly find The the woke advocates the social justice advocates, but it is something that is typically unheard of in Old school confessionally reformed Baptist churches, and now I'm finding it Even existing amongst members there.

I haven't heard of any churches yet in that category That are identifying the entire congregation that way but have you experienced the same thing and that I am experiencing.

Well, I'll say this every time I go to a church to speak about this and I last month I've probably been to six churches. I always ask or had a strained relationship because of the social justice movement and 75 to 90

Yeah, I had a friend Recently who Gave me a subtle chastisement in social media when I referred to social justice critical race theory and woke ism as heresy and This individual who is not in favor of this movement or these ideologies said well Heresy is an inappropriate term because this is not a religious movement.

I said, oh you could not be more mistaken. Why don't you? Get a little bit more detail than why this is actually a religious movement.

Sure, yeah, there's a judgment in the here and now it's not born again, which is really the political action. Hey, maybe we'll get to it. It's a parallel to everything like they have their own saints those in ones which are the social justice warrior Canon of woke brooks.

I mean, there's so many things that are pretty ignorant or or just religious crusade. Yeah, in fact.

Atheists and agnostics are blind to the reality that their Ideology is religious even if they claim to deny The existence of God first of all we know in reality from Romans 9. There are truly no atheists.

But those that claim to be those that convinced themselves that they are atheists. Their rhetoric is equally religious. In fact, there are atheists who talk more about God. Albeit in the negative fashion and deny his existence, but they talk more about him and are offended more by him.

Very often than sadly even Christians speak of God.

Well.

This this comparison that you have here in the very title of the book Christianity and social justice religions and conflict. How do you respond to those that are actually professing Christians even those that profess To be confessional reformed conservative and believers in scriptural inerrancy.

How do you? Respond to them by. Would respond to them when they in varying degrees of boldness sometimes just Timid acquiescence and sometimes fire and fury comes from their mouths and their writings in bold advocacy of this movement and its ideologies as being Completely not only compatible with Christianity but a primary theme in Christianity that they speak and write often as if if you're if your understanding of the Christian faith does not include these concepts and boldly and unashamedly and unabashedly Defend and proclaim these concepts your Christianity is false.

I mean some of them go that far. So, how do you respond to these folks?

Yeah, it depends. Like you said there's a speck responding. Better than to depending on how. Address the very inequality that you'll never find. Pelagian is a Martian. Is the foundation. Look at God's word.

Effort necessary. You need to have a epistemology. Well, which my book does go into. Let's get more involved.

I know that I have had guests address this on a number of occasions. But I think as I already mentioned at the outset all of this bears repeating. Give us the history of social justice, please and obviously in abbreviated form since this is a two-hour program.

The Intellectual Roots of Social Justice

Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, I'm gonna get quick as I can. I start with Jean Jacques Rousseau carrying an ideal by dismantling social scripture Justice in their ranks. I mean Rousseau claimed to be a Calvin. Are you further development from Karl Marx?

Who saw everything in terms of economics? Inequality was around because in disparities because there was economic disparities and then Antonio, Gramsci dependent web of how Gemini. And the ultimate goal of all these movements I think it's to destroy Orthodox Christian need to be aware of this.

Which has tried to compromise us it over and over and every time it ends up in the same place. The Christian denominations like well one of the major themes that we've been hearing.

Even before a full-blown social justice Ideology has dominated the the media. We've been hearing for quite a long time about Redistributive justice if you could get a little bit more into that.

Redistributive Justice and Egalitarian Equality

Yeah, sure. So.

Redistributions the mechanism by which we're by equality. I mean an egalitarian equality. It's not equality before the law. It's not equal, right?

It's.

Essentially it ends up as egalitarian that they see as marginalized. They try to guilt people and do giving to it. They need to because of their white privilege or something like that or it could be. And you need to make sure that the monuments you're in too much of a prominent space and represent oppression and We need to erect bring about.

Well, we have to go to our first break right now.

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If you would like to Submit your own question. My email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. If you want to know John. If you want to know why. I started to get tongue-tied there for a second.

I was looking over at your cover and I almost had a coronary arrest because I thought that it said forward by Russell Moore.

I'm sorry.

I said I confused them once too on my podcast. It was kind of embarrassed.

If anybody is wondering why we're laughing it's because Russell Moore Happens to be one of the strongest advocates of this movement coming from within a professedly conservative and reformed perspective within the Southern Baptist Convention.

We.

Have a listener in Ada, Ohio David who says Does the movement you're talking about? Actually have a God that they worship and identify as such. If so, would that mean they are worshiping demons? Ie all false gods are demon worship or are they just a.

Or are they just identify parallels? I don't know if that is just the typo there. Or are they just maybe he meant?

Identical parallels.

To the Christian Church without identifying a god that they pray to. Well, it's a multifaceted movement, isn't it? I mean you have people that make no profession of Christianity and you have those that are pastors of Christian churches that Identify with this movement.

So I'm assuming this is not a cookie cutter answer.

Yeah, it's a little more complicated. Francis Schaeffer said that Marxism is that I just pointed that piece of God manifested in Nature's. Even just got out of you. Well, thank you David. And make sure you give us your full.

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Heresy. Regarding redistributive justice, there may be those that are either Christians professing Christians or Leftists who love to rub cherry-picked Bible verses in the face of Conservative Christians thinking that they have a gotcha moment when they are completely misinterpreting The text.

But there are there are some that may use the whole Story of Zacchaeus, for instance the tax collector who was very dishonest and basically robbing people. And when he came to Christ in saving faith He made restitution For those that he had robbed.

And and not only just gave them back what he had robbed but much more so. How do you respond to those folks that try to use something like that as a defense? I?

Think the answer is in how you framed it. It was those who he had robbed in the Zacchaeus decision. Compare his which goes right in the face of by the way.

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He's great. I was very kind and.

So, what about this whole idea of socialism and Marxism. Obviously some of the movers and shakers in this ideology like those that founded the Black Lives Matter Organization are openly Marxist, but right I I had a conversation with a friend Who I have a lot of high regard for.

I've actually had this brother Preach at my pastor's luncheon a number of years ago. And I have arranged other speaking engagements for him. I have even Highly recommended him to Candidate for a pastorate of a prominent Long Island Church where I used to live.

But I've become saddened that he has Become somewhat warm towards this ideology and Basically said that He sees problems Amongst those that are for it and those that are against it, but he finds More problems with those that are against it, but he said to me That the Christians that he knows personally those especially claim to be reformed he says none of them claim to be Marxists or none of them want to promote the ideology of Marxism and Socialism and communism.

So, how do you respond to folks who say things like that?

Yeah, that's not to be shameless. And plugging the book. How many Democrat though members of Congress would say that they're Marxist, you know. Try to get them to define their worldview those modern things.

Be adopting some you point out in the book Evangelicals you really do have to be on your toes. They want to make that. You're not. I just want to know. In fact much of it is no different than the Galatians.

You're hearing that Galatians people that are. I try to start a little well.

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