Reaching Zoomers

Generational Differences Among Zoomers

Everyone, welcome once again to the Conversations That Matter podcast. I am your host, John Harris. As always, here for another exciting, informative and beneficial conversation with a first-time guest.

We have Matthew Pearson with us. How you doing, Matthew? I'm doing good, John. How are you doing today? Doing very well. I think you're our probably third Zoomer, I'm trying to think. Third Zoomer?

Who was first? I know Turnip Seed was one of them. Yeah, right. Who I got to meet, I got to meet him a few days ago. That was fun. Oh, did you?

Yeah, I've never met him in person. So, there's an, I can't remember his name. I think I had someone on months, or now it might be over a year ago, to talk about, they had, I think they were at like a Pride rally or something and they were, if I remember correctly, they were attacked.

I can't remember the details of it even that well. I just know that the guy I was interviewing was a Zoomer, I'm pretty sure.

Gotcha. Well, I'm happy to be your third Zoomer, John. The third Zoomer. I'm happy to help you become cultured, on Zoomer culture, if you want to endure that.

That's what we're going to talk about. And we were having a conversation, Matthew and I, a few weeks ago about this. And Matthew had some really interesting things to say about Zoomers. And as a millennial, this is kind of weird for me, I thought I was young, but now I'm not.

And Zoomers are very different than millennials in many ways. So we're going to talk about those generational differences and then how, as Christians, we can approach Zoomers, how we should think about Zoomers, how do they think.

And if people want to reach out to Matthew after the podcast, if they have any questions, they can go to at underscore Matthew Pearson on Twitter, or they, well, I guess they can't contact you through this, but they can listen to the podcast you're on called the Irenic Protestant Podcast.

Yep, that's right.

That's on, I guess, iTunes? It's on like Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, probably anywhere you can find podcasts, but I'm not the editor,.

But I know for sure it's on those three. So, yeah. Okay. And as a millennial, I'm still saying iTunes. All right, well, so let's get into this subject a little bit, Matthew. I know you from writing for American Reformer and just your online activity on X.

And, you know, you're a really sharp guy. You understand Protestant theology, reform theology. You're also a pretty politically astute. And one of the things that I've noticed just before I even talked to you is that younger guys, younger millennials and Zoomers in particular seem to be more open to right-wing ideas.

And very, they seem to be more on the Trump train and they're willing to be loud about it online, especially. And it's a curious thing to me. I know a few years ago, there were some predictions about Zoomers being the most conservative generation.

And I thought, oh yeah, right. Like they don't even know what gender they are. And of course that dynamic is also in the water. So it's a really weird thing. Like it seems like Zoomers are super, at least on a political level, different.

Like you got really hard left Zoomers, you got really hard right Zoomers. And I don't know if there's a lot in between. It's just kind of like balkanized. So is that an accurate read?

Three Types of Zoomers: Indifferent, Far Left, and Far Right

Yeah, John, I think that is a largely accurate read. And I was actually just thinking about this today before I came on the cast while I was at work. A thought just kind of hit me is that there's really three types of Zoomers, I'd say regarding politics.

I'd say the first is just indifferent because a common trait with Zoomers is just oftentimes like an indifference to things. And I think of like TikTok and how like we all have such short attention spans.

You go up and you talk to people and you're like, you know, that's basically destroying your brain. You know, that's frying your dopamine receptors. And what does everyone answer? They're like, I don't care.

That's like very common. And you see this in like the political realm as well with some people is that there's a common thing where Zoomers just don't really give a rip about what happens and they just kind of live.

So that's one type of Zoomer. The second type of Zoomer is like, I'd say this is pretty prominent, just very far left, like fully bought into, you know, like, I don't know if I can say this on your show, but like gay race communism, just like the whole shebang, you know, all of them, like, you know, they may have been slightly moderate, but then summer 2020, you know, the Floyd Summer of Love happened and they all posted the black square.

They all posted the BLM things. They all started referring to racism as, you know, like a systemic oppression of people of color done by white people. They started buying into that whole frame. So that's the second.

And then the third is, it's gonna mainly be a lot of online guys that are very right wing. Like I wouldn't just say conservative, I would say right wing. You see a lot of these guys online and you see there's a lot of energy behind them and the things that they're doing.

And it's just, it's weird. It's something in the air. You can just kind of see it. You can feel it. You run into guys at like these, you know, like a TPUSA event or just any other event. You talk to them for like 15 minutes, you know, like, wait, these guys are not normies.

These guys are like tapped in like a lot. You know, they've really, they approach certain things from a very right wing angle. And so I'd say, sorry to take up all that time, but I'd say like those are your three options basically.

Politically indifferent, very far left or very far right. Those are your primary options. And most of the like somewhat moderate zoomers, you talk to them long enough, you spend enough time with them and they eventually end up one or the other.

So that's kind of what I've noticed at least.

Yeah, I don't apologize for taking up time. We're here to listen to you speak. And if I can help facilitate that by asking questions, that's why I'm here.

Oh, I just try and be as succinct as I can. So I just don't want to ramble, but yeah.

No, that was good. So when we talk about zoomers, who are we talking about? Like often people wonder like what years, like, cause for millennials, I think it stops at what 1994 or five or maybe it's more than that.

I don't remember. Yeah, I don't remember when. So zoomers weren't usually like after 2000. That's what I thought.

No, so some zoomers, I think zoomers actually started in 1997, if I'm remembering rightly, but usually late nineties, those are zoomers. Cause like, yeah, those are zoomers. That makes sense.

And if millennials end in 95 or six, then yeah, okay. So we're talking about people who have been engaged in technology their entire lives. They have smartphones since the time. I don't know. Do you remember when you like didn't have a smartphone or when smartphones weren't around?

Yeah, no. So, I mean, there was a time when I was, I think I was in maybe third grade and I started doing fencing and my mom would drop me off at the fencing place and then in case I needed to call her.

So she got me a little flip phone. That's what she got me. But then the next, at the same time, I had like a little iPod. And then I think in fifth grade, I got my, it was my dad's old iPhone. I got that.

And it didn't really have much service on it. But then by middle school, by sixth grade, I had a phone that could call and do things. So like a cell phone, Apple phone and everything. So literally like one of these were much shorter and smaller.

Wow. Yeah. So for me as a millennial, I didn't have a phone and it was not even a smartphone. It was like a flip phone till I was, I think 15. Oh wow. Yeah, no, I had it really early. Yeah. Yeah. So it's totally different.

And even something like that, I think changes. Why don't we start there with technology? So what, how do Zoomers think about technology and how has technology impacted the way they think?

Technology, Social Media, and Zoomer Community

Yeah. So technology actually has a, I mean, as we were just discussing before my whole connection went kaput, ironically. But Zoomers have a pretty, technology has shaped them a lot in that technology is a primary way that they actually build a lot of community because, you know, every once in a while there's this pastor online who, you know, he's a bit of a squish.

And he tweets like, oh, friendly reminder guys, Twitter's not real life. And while to an extent that's true, especially pertaining like our niche theology debates and whatnot. Regarding Zoomers, this is not fully the case.

And John, you and I were discussing this a few weeks back, but there actually was a study I looked at from November of 2022, I believe. I could send the study and you can maybe link it or something. And it showed that I think 85 of Zoomers if I'm remembering rightly, spent about four hours on social media every day.

So Zoomers have large communities online. They very frequently will be in these group chats with people they either know or people they've never met before. And so like technology really has shaped them because it kind of like connects them with their communities and they're on it so much.

And I mean, that's kind of how I like got connected with so many people I know. The person that I'll be like rooming with once I move up to Orlando in a few months, he's someone I know from social media.

I met him, we started hanging out, we became friends and now I'm gonna be his roommate. So like there's a lot of ways that Zoomers connect with people through technology and from their build communities.

And so I don't know if that was the exact question you were asking, but I do know that like technology and then specifically through technology, social media plays like a large role.

With Zoomers and shaping them. I've noticed in doing evangelism outreaches that Zoomers seem pretty open to spiritual things more so than millennials. I don't know if that's across the board or just my experience, but they don't seem to be as receptive from my limited vantage point, I suppose, to like the traditional like gospel literature or like the traditional approaches.

They really want a very genuine conversation, it seems like. And I know some of these same things were said about millennials, that millennials want authenticity and so forth. But I actually think it's more true for Zoomers.

I don't know if you agree with that or not, but maybe the question would be, how do you see Zoomers wanting to be approached? What kinds of things as a Christian are they more receptive to? And what would you like to see churches do in their ministries if they're trying to reach Zoomers?

Zoomers, Religiosity, and the Search for Stability

Yeah, so I would definitely say that there's somewhat of an increase in religiosity among Zoomers because we kind of grew up as like, I think it was more with the millennials, there was like the new atheism thing.

Right. The kind of trend that someone like a Richard Dawkins embodies and who in the aftermath left us James Lindsay. So thanks Dawkins. But there was kind of the millennials who went through the new atheism thing.

And what, meanwhile, the Zoomers were largely like just little kids growing up. And they're like, I remember the memes, but like back in 2008, I was seven. So like, I was just like, oh, stay away from that because it's not Christian or whatever.

But yeah, there's like a large, there's a lot of spirituality and religiosity among Zoomers, I would say. I don't really have the statistics to like back this up yet. I have some stats for some of these things, some other things, but not this in particular, but just from what I've seen, like among people I know on social media, even if they're not Christian, they all believe in like astrology or they're all about getting in touch with their chakra or something, or their, I don't know, the divine feminine energy, or I don't know, something like that.

That's pretty common. And among like Christians, at least, there's a large draw among Zoomers to more like traditional forms of Christianity. There's like an attraction to high church and liturgy and things like that, or just something to kind of ground you.

And I can tell you that except for like one, except for one of them, one of my best friends, everyone except him has basically, that I know in real life, has basically become Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholic, like all of them.

Meanwhile, I'm the one who doesn't budge because I'm petty and think that God's word is sufficient and clear. And I firmly believe in Protestant principles and doctrines and I will to the day I die. But it's very common in my friend group that a lot of these guys have done that because they're being drawn to these more traditional stable values, because I think a lot of people feel that evangelicalism has kind of given them a sense of rootlessness.

So a lot of guys kind of wanna feel rooted and grounded in something bigger than themselves. And I also think that that's part of why a lot of these non-Christian, but like spiritual girls kind of go to like, whatever it is they believe in, because they wanna feel like they're a part of something bigger than them, even if they don't believe in Christianity, that if you do believe in Christianity, a lot of these guys are going to Rome or the East.

So that's a common trend I've noticed. And part of that has to do with a very effective, propaganda through like TikTok, because TikTok is, when I say propaganda, by the way, I don't mean that in like a bad way.

Well, it's bad in that I disagree with like what they're propagating, but propaganda in and of itself is not like something bad necessarily. It just has to be truthful and clear with reality.

So Zoomers are

So like they're just Eastern Orthodox and Roman. Oh, sorry, you go ahead.

I think there's a delay, sorry. So Zoomers, it sounds like are somewhat unstable and they come from a background that wants to find that stability in something else. And so they'll root themselves into religions even if it means that they can find stability.

Yeah, no, I would say that's partly true, yeah. But again, a lot of it, this is gonna get big, yeah. Okay, so a lot of this has to do with just the fact that Zoomers don't really have anything they're grounded in.

They're largely a rootless people. And this ties into so many different things. In regard to religion, many Zoomers that are Christian at least belong to an evangelical church that doesn't really have many strong roots or connections to the past.

In regard to just identity, many Zoomers, like particularly white Zoomers have no sense of ethnic or racial consciousness and no sense of heritage at all. They kind of just think of themselves as belonging to some universal people.

So they don't really feel any strong identity in that area. Many Zoomers don't have any heroes to look up to really. Every person they look up to is like a Marvel character or a social media influencer.

They're not like, they're not growing up in the collapse. They are, yeah, no, they're not bringing about the collapse but they're kind of growing up in the aftermath of it. Someone who has done a great video on this is a Zoomer you've had on your show before, Ryan Turnipseed.

He made an excellent video on Gen Z as well. You just type in his name on YouTube and then Gen Z and you should find it. But he's made a lot of these similar points as well in that it just largely stems from a whole entire on both the religious and just like political or just not even political, but just like a conception of who you are as a person in the world.

There's just a large sense of rootlessness and that's a lot of what drives Zoomers.

Hospitality, Stable Homes, and Reaching Zoomers

So in reaching Zoomers with the gospel and even I suppose this would go beyond just evangelism but also trying to just get truth to them so that they can live stable lives and be contributing members of society and making sure they're not going down the woke movement or anything like that.

Would the approach be to offer some kind of stability? Like where have you seen success in this arena? I'm wondering if couples who open up their house and say, look at the way we're living, we'd like to have you over for dinner and then providing that example of stable living is maybe the best thing to show Zoomers to maybe attract them or get them to realize that the things that are being offered mostly in the world are not actually good things and that what they're looking for, what many of them I should say are looking for is provided in a stable Christian household.

No, absolutely. You're right. I do think it is kind of effective to show Zoomers a healthy family lifestyle of having them over, like you were just said, just hospitality or having them over for dinner or something or giving them something to look up to basically because a lot of Zoomers kind of feel, they grew up with a sense of either they don't care, like I mentioned with the three types of Zoomer political people.

They either don't care or they're kind of just hopeless about everything. They have despair. They're like, oh, all these prices are high. A lot of them resent boomers as well or Gen X maybe even, but honestly just showing them like, hey, these things are possible.

That gives a lot of hope to them. And I can give you a good example of this. So I'll be going to seminary in a few months. I'll be starting. And my assistant pastor, before he was the assistant pastor there, he was basically like the director of something, so he could have a job there basically.

In the meantime, before he became an official pastor, he was going to seminary while doing that. And he had six kids and a wife, obviously. That's where he got the kids from. But, and he would drive back and forth like two hours to the seminary and back and things like that.

And that was just inspirational because it showed me like, okay, I'm gonna go to seminary as a single guy. I only have to worry about this thing. So if he can do it, surely I can. And so like, that's just like a brief, like particular example for me.

But what I would say that shows is like, if you and interacting with Zoomers, you'll need to try and be cool, but just show them that like the good life that they wanna pursue is possible. Like that should be helpful to them, I would say.

And I know that doesn't like particularly like relate to the gospel. I think in regards to like preaching the gospel to them, it's just, I mean, you know, there are particular ways you can do that, but really what would just be as like the classic stuff, like, you know, preach the law of God, show them that they're sinful.

And look, there's a lot of things to point out about Gen Z and sin, because we've embraced many heinous and wicked sins, especially in like the realm of LG barbecue and all that. So there's a lot to work with there, I would say.

College, Status, and the Economics of Zoomer Life

Yeah, so when Zoomers are thinking about their lives and what their lives look like, I'm wondering if it's different than millennials. So millennials were, we were all told, and just like, I think Gen X and to some extent boomers, that we need to get an education.

Millennials the most, especially perhaps though, that you need to get a college degree because our parents were boomers and the boomers really valued the certifications, right? And if you don't get a college degree, then you're basically, you're gonna, it's not gonna go well for you.

Your life is going to be being a ditch digger and you're not gonna make any money. And so money kind of becomes the key to living the good life in a way. And Zoomers, I think have been blocked in some ways that millennials have not.

I was able to buy a house in 2016 and my house is now, it is more than two times, it would cost more than two times the amount I paid for it. I couldn't afford my own mortgage. I couldn't afford to buy the house that I'm in if I was starting out now.

And I don't think the same opportunities would have been afforded to me. And so I know Zoomers are going through this and I wonder whether or not that affects their dreams of pursuing success. And I don't think the millennial example is the best example at all.

I think it was compromised in many ways. But you still had people that wanted to, maybe after they achieve their success, have a family and then enjoy children and then retire and have all these experiences.

That's what millennials like to do, right? We're gonna have, we're gonna travel, we're gonna eat all kinds of different foods. And Zoomers just don't have the same opportunities. And so how does that make them feel or think about life?

Well, it's like I said earlier, it's either indifference or it's resentment. I think that, I don't know if I have too much to say on that topic, really. I think some of it is just a little bit obvious.

But yeah, no, there is a sense of resentment, I would say, for Zoomers. And especially, I'm gonna keep coming back to social media with the rise of social media, there's a bit of a space to air out your resentment.

So you can have these white girls crying in the car about how bad their boomer dad is or something like that. And sometimes what they're saying online is valid and it should be brought to awareness. Because look, as much as I love the boomers because they do vote R, I'm not gonna be the boomer defender on everything.

I definitely do think that there are things, there are faults in all generations and there are ways to call those faults out in a way which is honoring to our forefathers and to those who are alive right now.

So I think that's fair game, basically. But there is a sense in which if you don't do it well, you can breed resentment. And I think that's how a lot of Zoomers feel. And especially when like, Stephen Wolf has spoken about this as well, when a lot of these people are, they're crying because they can't afford anything or whatever, and they just so happen to be a girl that's liberal or whatever.

And these stupid big right-wing accounts are like, huh, stupid libtard girl doesn't, pick yourself up by your bootstraps or whatever. And it's like, you're not helping at all. You're giving like, you're just giving older people online something to laugh at, but you're not by any means like raising cause or like what is actually driving the resentment behind it.

And so I think that's actually like a problem on the right wing a little bit is, it's fun to laugh. It's fun to have fun. And that's a good thing too. But sometimes you can't make your entire political platform owning the libs, you know?

Like if you're just laughing at liberals, which is good to do, and you should continue to do that, to demonstrate that their perception on things is ridiculous. But if that's the only thing you do, you just have a poll, like, then you're just as unserious as them.

And so, yeah, no, that's kind of what I think is I think a lot of resentment gets built up because of the things that you mentioned, John.

But does that change their goals in life? And so for, I think millennials, the goal was to get the certifications, to achieve the success and to have the esteem of your peers and financial stability, which is, I realize millennials want to be different than the boomers, and there's many things that make them different.

But that is one thing that is more similar between millennials and boomers than I think Zoomers. I wonder whether Zoomers are thinking through like, college doesn't make sense. The certifications don't.

I'll get a blue collar job and the goal is survival because I can't really hope to afford a house. And maybe if the good luck has it, maybe a TikTok channel will propel me into being a internet star. And in that sense, it's the esteem of your fans that really matters.

It's not like general society esteem in the form of certificates and social respectability. It doesn't seem like Zoomers care as much about that.

No, yeah, you're right. And it comes down to, I think, the indifference as well. I keep coming back to this, but yeah. They're either indifferent or they're just planning like, how do I survive basically?

And you're right, there is a bit of a little movement among Zoomers where it's just like, screw college, I'll just work blue collar. I'm kind of doing that right now because I currently work in restaurant construction, but that's just to save up money for seminary before I go off there and I just graduate college.

But no, that is common. A lot of Zoomers are just, the ones that are at least growing up now and out of college or whatever, it's kind of just, they're just floating. A lot of them don't really have goals.

I'll give you kind of an example of this. There was this one time where I found this guy on YouTube. I don't remember what his channel's called, but he was basically a masculinity, self-improvement guru channel.

It was not Andrew Tate. I do remember that. But he had to tell people, oh yeah, make sure you set goals for yourself. Women like that or whatever. And I just remember sitting there hearing that and thinking, this guy said, tell me to set goals?

I was already setting goals. But apparently after talking to a few acquaintances and friends about this, it's very common for Zoomers to not set goals for their life. They just exist and live and don't strive for anything, which is, it's weird.

And that's kind of why before I came on here, I talked to a few Zoomers about things because some of these things are just foreign to me. Like I really don't get it. What did your Zoomer friends tell you?

I mean, they expressed a lot of these things, like kind of talking about how many of them just like, many of the people they know just don't have ambitions or anything like that. And something I was also reminded of is a lot of Zoomers don't read.

Despite being a Zoomer on Twitter, most Zoomers are not on Twitter. They're actually on either Instagram or TikTok because you can just scroll and watch video, don't have to read words or anything. So yeah, anyways, I've said a lot there.

Pornography, Drugs, and the Blackpill

You're scaring all the Boomers right now with no hope for the Zoomer generation because these are all things that we're I think there's hope though. Well, no, there is. And that's where I wanna get to that because I think that's important.

Before we get to that though, I do have to ask another kind of Blackpill question here. So drugs and pornography. Zoomers, I tend to, well, we talked about this a little and from what you said and what I've observed, they're on a different level.

Like it's super sad to me what's happened with just the birth rate is plummeting, marriage plummeting, all kinds of sexual dysfunctions at early ages, drugs, of course, suicides, all these things seem to be wreaking havoc in your generation.

So what can you tell us about that? Yeah, no, so I can't really say much on the drug front. I mean, I know we're kind of growing up in like the legalization of drugs. A lot of them, you know, some of them like to smoke weed or whatever.

I don't really know any of the statistics on it just cause like drugs are just, I haven't been around drugs a whole lot. I'm a good, I'm a good old boy. You know, I just don't hang around people that do drugs a lot, I guess.

Well, there's some guys at work that are questionable. What was that? I thought you did Zen. Don't tell my mom that. Okay. She may watch this. Anyways, something that I do know though is that Zoomers have, like I said, they grew up with technology.

So because of that, like things like pornography, I've always been just super easily accessible. And, you know, for the most part, most Zoomers get exposed either in middle school or at a younger age.

And it's horrible. You know, it's awful. It's like a plague, like basically afflicting them. So, and because it's just so easily accessible, you have to take like the necessary steps to prevent like any access to things like that.

So yeah, it's very prominent among Zoomer men is pornography and then especially with like the culture of OnlyFans where these girls will like pay to, or have you pay to get like particular things from them because at this point your dopamine receptors are so fried.

You've looked at these, like you've looked at pornography so much that the only thing that can actually get you excited now for a woman is if it's particularized, like catered to you and you pay her money.

Like it's terrible. It's disgusting. And that's something a lot of these guys deal with. Like, and I'll talk with guys about this and like, they'll tell me what they did. And I'm just like, you paid money for that?

And I don't know, like I'm blackmailing myself. You've been talking about this, man.

Reprobate Minds and the Desire to Escape Degeneracy

Is there a hope in the sense that they want to escape? They just don't know how, and maybe that's a place that Christians can step in since they're

Yeah, no, there's like a good chunk of them that they're not even Christian, but they like, they realize something's wrong. Some of them are so far gone that I just, I think of Roman's one where it's basically says, you know, God's given them over to a reprobate mind.

It really does seem that way with some, but there really are some guys like, I know like there was one guy who wasn't a Christian. He's like, I got to stop, man. This is not good for me. And then another guy at my work, he was like, he was really just like breaking down, talking to me about it.

And I was like sharing the gospel with him. And that was a really good experience. I got to connect them with my pastor as well. But yeah, no, there is like a lot of hopelessness that comes with that as well.

But also like, I don't want to discount that there are a lot of Zoomers that kind of just fully embrace the degeneracy and just go along with it.

Christianity, Church Attendance, and the Search for Roots

Yeah, so let's maybe do some hope here. So what, well, maybe this isn't hopeful. Maybe we're getting there, but what percentage of Zoomers are Christians and open or, and I don't know, I think you had the stats, Protestant, Catholic, whatever.

I'm pulling that up right now. So this is slightly black pilling. It is, but it's good to know though. So a little bit over half of Zoomers are, no, no, no, sorry. I'm looking at, I was looking at racial demographics about Zoomers, my apologies.

Oh, okay, here it is. A total of 56 of Gen Z identifies as Christian. So a little bit over half, but then like I'll break the stats down a little bit more though. The 56 number does not account for church attendance.

So 20 of Gen Z attends church at least once a week. So that's, yeah, that's the amount of Zoomers. So while over half identify as Christian, only 20 of Gen Z actually attend church once a week. And then 38 of Gen Z report never attending church.

And it just, the words are never attending church. I don't know if that means never been to church, but I would just assume that like, that just means they don't ever go. And then 14 only attend a few times a year and 18 quote, seldom attend.

Okay, so that is almost, yeah. I mean, it's the first post-Christian generation, I suppose. I don't know. It may be a little over half claim to be Christian, but I think the overall stats are something like in the eighties, right?

It's like for Americans, at least, that claim to be some variety of Christian.

Yeah, I think so. And it's especially low again, when you consider that like, even though 56%, only 20 of Gen Z attend church. And then if you want to think in political terms about lone bulwarks, only 10 of Gen Z are white evangelicals.

Okay, so that's gonna be a serious demographic shift and a political shift. And I don't really know what that means for the United States going forward. Are a lot of the right-wingers in your experience that we just talked about, the young men who are Zoomers and right-wingers, are they Christians or is there like a pagan right that's pretty strong in the Zoomer world or?

Pagan and Mystical Currents on the Zoomer Right

Yeah, I wouldn't know if they're strong. I can't really look at the statistics, but there's a large following. There's a good chunk of Zoomers that are big fans of, oh man, I can't believe I'm talking about this guy publicly.

I'm gonna get myself in trouble. But there's a large, there's a decent contingent of Zoomers that are a fan of this gentleman known as Bronze Age Pervert. I'm sure you've heard of him. Yeah. And he kind of like advocates this, a vitalist mindset, which is kind of grounded in Nietzsche.

And he also takes influence from some sources like Yukio Mishima, who I actually like a little bit. So he's actually good. You should read Mishima, specifically his Sun and Steel, but I disavow all the bad things about him because he was a pagan.

But yeah, so like there's like a certain contingent of them. And then I was just at the, I was just at a political event recently and I was talking to some people and like, it was mainly like, I like talk to a lot of Protestants, talk to a lot of Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, but there were some people who called themselves perennialists.

And perennialist is like a, it's like a 20th century. I might totally butcher this by the way, because I actually don't know a whole lot about them, but it's like a 20th century kind of like pagan, mystical pagan movement.

And like, they're kind of very far right. They ground themselves in the thought of individuals like Julius Avila and some others. It's a very weird aspect of like the mystical pagan, right? Which again, I don't really know a whole lot about, so I can't, if you ask me questions, I can't really tell you much, but I did meet a few of those guys like that.

And I had interesting conversations with them, of course. But yeah, there is a sense of like this weird paganism on the right, which some Zoomers have taken up. So, yeah.

Rootedness, Heritage, and Christian Stability

Okay, so let's go for the positive stuff now that we've identified some of the main problems. And to summarize, exposure to technology at early ages, pornography epidemic, potential drugs are normalized.

You have instability in the home because they come from broken homes. Their parents are probably divorced. They've moved around a lot. They lack identity. Some of them want stability, but don't really know where to look or how to find that.