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Webcasting around the world from the desert metropolis of Phoenix, Arizona. This is the dividing line. The Apostle Peter commanded Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us.

Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James White director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

If you'd like to talk with dr. White call now. It's 602 973 4602 or toll-free across the United States. It's 1 877 7 5 3 3 3 4 1. And now with today's topic here is James White. Oh Good morning. I guess it's time to do this.

I've been up since 1 10 in the morning, you know, I was sitting on my It's great. These are these are the memories of life, but Sitting in my front room this morning at 2 30 cuz Allison realized Okay, if this is happening and we're gonna be we're gonna be gone right now.

We're gonna be we're you know, we're dressed We're ready to rock and roll and then I realized oh no car seat. Oh It's still in the box and I've looked at this thing and it looks like it requires a PhD in engineering.

It's all the thing and it does. Oh my goodness how things have changed. It's been 20 years Since since I had a car seat in my car and there is a car seat in my car now I did manage to get it properly Installed I will point that out but still It almost sounds like a PDF of instructions, it's just it's just ridiculous and you know, it's anyways, I got it figured out but I felt really dumb by the time I got done figuring it out and Maybe the fact that was 2 30 in the morning had something to do with it.

I don't know. That's a that's a possibility but anyway So we I've got the car seat and Here's the phone seat to the phone. Oh don't look at that the phone cover and my microphone cover are the same pretty much same color anyways.

Interesting observation due to sleep deprivation. Anyways, if that goes off During the course of the program I'm going to point at rich and he's gonna play a commercial one of those awesome commercials that you've heard for almost most of summer's life and We are just so on the cutting edge of this stuff, let me tell you and Then Depending on what what it what I am told That will that will tell us whether we're gonna be able to finish the program or whether it'll be one of those short programs.

It's not a mega. It's not a jumbo. It's not a normal. It's a mini. We've got we've got mini iPads now iPad minis. We might have a mini dividing line today because we're sort of sneaking this in. And Ralph says you could call my cell phone.

Just see what happens which really isn't Really that's that's not that that's not appropriate. But Anyway, yes, sir. I I've queued up a couple of samples here of commercials, I might run like I should have found a sound well, what would the sound of Lightning that would be draw man be I would say a match strike I think we're close with this or some type of a flame explosion type sound.

You know something like that, that's what we should have found and us guys we're good at making sounds. Oh, yes, the girls can't make sounds. That's true. She didn't she didn't appreciate that. I really made her upset.

Yeah, so I doubt she's listening right now. I could have some fun with us. No, no. That would confuse me but I'm looking for the one where she actually did a Little girl, my daddy will be right back daddy.

All right, if you can find my dad He'll be right back and just play that a couple times while I get I can find out what's going on on the phone. Yeah, that would be fine. That would be I would expect I would accept that.

Yes so anyways, I did Pass out on the couch for a little while after that, but you know what couch sleep is like it's not real sleep. Especially when people are moving around and and there's noises and stuff like that.

So I I am hereby Not guaranteeing or affirming the Orthodoxy of I stay on the dividing line today. Hey, you know the rookie Wrote to me this morning. I He wants you to good. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that's the study that I did on Look background information here for you.

If you're interested in such things. I Decided to do the study that I did in Bible study Sunday morning, which is on sermon audio .com. I put on the blog I decided to do that during the opening exercises which at PR BC Involves Reading from Proverbs right now.

It's actually Ecclesiastes. Yes, sir. You have something you'd like to comment about that, too I was you since you mentioned that I help me out because I'm incoherent today. You'd asked me Sunday Yes to put that into the iTunes rotation.

Yeah, I never got around doing it. I forgot to do it. I will Grab it from the blog. Okay, it's on the bar. I think we're good. I think we're good. I Did a Bible study it's not it's not a Bible say it's a sermon.

It really is but it's not three points in a poem that's for sure and during during the Opening Exercises we're reading from Proverbs. Actually, it's Ecclesiastes. I decided to do the study that I did and went to Luke chapter 13.

So zero preparation in that sense, but not in the sense that you know Sometimes having no preparation is a good thing. Sometimes having no preparation is a bad thing and in this case obviously, I had been thinking about these things all weekend and I they just sort of coalesced as on the on the drive down and I went to the Material from Luke chapter 13 and if you've listened, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna reiterate it I'm not I'm not gonna redo it now.

Obviously, I really wouldn't have the the strength really to do so. But here's here's the text and As I read this just ask yourself the question in light of the fact that in our society now Public opinion Feeling Emotion are The most important thing there is nothing more important than we don't want to offend and what might someone think.

This is not only political correctness, but this is the new Style of thought truth. Doesn't matter whether something will have will have be beneficial in the long run whether it's good for the society as a whole.

All that stuff is now Completely irrelevant. It's it's passe. It's what feels good is what makes people feel loved and warm. In light of that listen to what listen to how Jesus the real Jesus not the not the guy with the long hair that looks like he's from Norway carrying the the lamb Jesus.

But the real Jesus of history. Listen to what he said Luke chapter 13 verse 1 now on the same occasion. There were some present who reported to him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices and Jesus said to them do you suppose these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered this fate.

I tell you no. But unless you repent you will all likewise perish. Or do you suppose that those 18 on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them were worse? culprits than all the men who live in Jerusalem.

I Tell you no, but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. Now you have two horrible events here one might be called a tragedy and I don't consider the massacre in Newtown a tragedy. A tragedy is.

Well when the tower in Siloam fell and and killed 18 people. Now, I don't know if it was what was being constructed or if it's just bad construction or a windstorm or you know I I don't know. We might know The answer to that but I call that a tragedy in the sense that It was not the direct result of the malice of men but what Herod did in mixing the blood of the Galileans with their sacrifices, that's just.

That's just human evil and I don't think the term tragedy accurately describes that but my point was. My point was Jesus does not respond. The way that many in churches today are saying we should respond because well, it's what our society expects.

I mean I've been hearing people saying. And look I realize some. Everybody's politicizing everything and Primarily I think in one side but be it as it may there's a lot of politicalization going on. But I've heard a lot of people saying well We shouldn't be talking about abortion and we shouldn't be talking about this or the other thing.

We should just be weeping with those who weep. There's a time to weep and there's a time to laugh and a time for debate and blah blah blah blah. Um Jesus took the quote-unquote opportunity of These quote-unquote tragedies and I know there's those things that unquote don't worry about.

To do what to say and unless you repent you shall all likewise perish. There's nothing here about how bad Herod was. There's nothing about you know Natural disasters or needing to improve on building standards or any of those things.

Jesus addresses the fact that there was a there was a horrible misunderstanding in the part of people that if God's judgment fell upon you that meant that you were a sinner and if it didn't then then you weren't and Jesus says nope God's judgment could fall on any one of you at any time because you are all Sinners and you all need to repent and I believe it was the BD on your wheelie.

I think it was the BD it might not have been but a couple of years ago. I saw a video clip and I'm pretty sure it was the BD talking about being on a university campus and someone Raising the question of why do bad things happen to good people?

And he said I won't discuss that with you because you're starting at the wrong place. There are no good people. We need to start at the right place. And that is why does anything good ever happen to bad people?

Why does anything good ever happen to bad people and basically one of the issues that I raised in the Bible study slash sermon slash. I Don't know Elder talking to his people because they're probably be talking to other people over the course the next couple weeks about this issue and therefore We need to think about it and have some guidance.

Whatever that that's a very long title. It's almost a Puritan title there actually anything about but What I raised was the fact that we really really really in our heart of hearts. Don't believe what we say we believe About the sinfulness of man and the justice and holiness of God we talk about innocent children.

There is no such thing Biblically, there is no such thing read Romans 5. There isn't we're all the fallen sons and daughters of Adam. We all fell in him and if you don't like the federal representation of Adam.

Then you probably shouldn't like the federal representation of Jesus as your head in righteousness and salvation eternal life either. We don't like it. We don't think that way. It was all about How we need to think as Christians because if we're not thinking clearly about it, then we're as my church history professor.

So well said and as I have repeated so many times on this program what is a mist in the pulpit is a fog in the pew and What is unclear in your thought will be much more unclear in the thought of the person to whom you are speaking if you seek to attempt to Really address this issue in our culture today what we see in our sick secular culture.

Are people who have been cut free from the moorings of their recognition that they are creating the image of God and therefore that there is transcendent value to human life and That therefore evil really is evil and that what we should do is what is best for the large majority of people.

Instead what you've got are knee-jerk reactions of people saying we've got to do something. Even if the something we do is a useless and B will result in more deaths in the long run. But see that's the knee-jerk reaction.

That's the that's what happens when law and civilization no longer have a divine foundation. And that's what we're staring at. That's what we're gonna be dealing with so that little 42 minute sermon slash whatever Over the past 48 hours is the most downloaded thing on all of sermon audio .com don't know how that happened.

Yesterday Johnny Mac was number one. Yeah, so It's getting around. I hope that it's useful to folks. I've had a few people comment on it it's not like it's something if people aren't gonna pop in a jail going wow just really love that because it's you know Tough subject it's not an enjoyable subject, but I felt like I needed to address it so that's what we did and so that's available on the blog and I would sort of challenge you to to think through what I what I said there and Hopefully it will be of some assistance.

It's a interesting passage Luke chapter 13 the Jesus of that Text is not a politically correct Jesus. Yes, sir I just looked you are at twenty one hundred and twenty downloads and The closest one to you is Phil Johnson at 710.

Yeah, well, so it's it's screaming. Well, and I'm sure that Phil's Presentation is an excellent presentation to look at as well. I only heard from Phil. It was good to hear from Phil. We have missed Phil.

Phil is a great guy, and I'm glad to have heard from him. All right well I have something queued up to go back to and a probably safest for me but John and Fredericksburg has a question that hopefully I can answer fairly quickly and hello John.

Hi. How you doing? Uh-huh. You would you would have to you'd have to quote Dan on that because that doesn't make much sense to me In the sense that The only difference between Five and eight case is that when you use an eight case system you're importing more study of syntax into first year than if you use a five case because all it is is making a further step which I Was taught the eight case initially.

Then when I started using mounts as the text that I taught from then went to went to the five. But All you're doing is taking an extra step. That's normally second year syntax stuff and recognizing the various syntactical categories under the dative of locket of instrumental and under the genitive of the ablative so I Don't see how that would impact anything because once you get into second year Topics where you're doing Syntactical categories you're looking at the twelve different kinds of genitives or really more than that depending on which grammar you're looking at I'm not sure how many Dan has but The grammar I had had twelve different kinds of genitives.

And then you've got you know, five to seven different kinds of ablatives. Well, if if if you have a five case, you're just gonna learn those all as different kinds of genitives. And all you're doing is just just making that that Slight syntactical or You know study part of first year rather than second year.

So I I don't understand how it could result in a in a difference in interpretation any more than well, let me illustrate I Remember very very clearly many many moons ago when I was Skinny had big glasses and lots of hair I was teaching an adult Bible study class at a large Southern Baptist Church and one of the Folks who likewise taught there was a man by the name of dr. J. Niles Puckett a dr. Puckett Studied under dr. William Hersey Davis who stayed under dr. AT Robertson.

Dr. Puckett was an elderly man and He had taught Greek at Grand Canyon College Since the 1950s maybe 1949 when it was founded. I don't remember anyway a revered man and obviously one who had taught Greek for decades.

I on the other hand was I believe at the time a third-year Greek student and We happened to encounter each other in the hallway During Sunday school after we had taught our our lessons and dr. Puckett did me a huge honor by approaching me and Asking me the question.

He said let me ask you a question. He was from Mississippi and He had a very thick Southern drawl and he says let me ask you he says How do you understand? Paul's statement that God was in Cristo Reconciling the world unto himself.

How do you understand in? Cristo and I said well, I I would I would understand that primarily as as Communicating the means. You wouldn't take it as a locative Of of place and I said no. No, I wouldn't I would I would I would take it as means most definitely I I don't think that Paul's point is that is the spatial location of God?

In Jesus and there I've heard Christians who've used it that way God was in Christ. That means you don't know God was by means of Christ reconcile the world to himself. He says that's exactly how I understand.

Thank you very much. And he did me great great great honor by even knowing who I was that he would ask a Greek Syntactical question in the hallway during Sunday school, but the point is How you answer that?

Would you know you you might talk about a a locative of means or a locative of of place or You could just do that under the dative so Once you're in second year, I can't see how that's how that's relevant to the interpretation.

I mean, it's you've got the same categories whether you're whether you're breaking them down to locative of Means or locative of sphere or etc Etc or using dative and then breaking those down to locative and instrumental categories or something like that.

I I don't see how that's. I don't I don't see how that would actually impact interpretation the fact that I've taught both five and eight case and.

It hasn't impacted interpretation for me. I I don't follow that part. Well, I would disagree that that.

Many of the conversations That I recall with pleasant fondness in second third through seventh year Greek for me anyways Was on that very issue. Do I take that? It was we were never taught that because we had these cases that that means that you could not if you saw the possibility of a Instrumental that you also couldn't see the possibility of a locative.

So I I suppose I suppose what Dan might be saying is it is it's natural for us to think that way. It's natural for see and this is this is true. And I hope those who are studying Greek are aren't about to fall asleep here.

I'll try to be brief, but we do have to recognize that very frequently. We need to realize the Greek speaking person wasn't sitting there going. Well, I have categories of dative locative instrumental which am I gonna use they're not thinking that way any more than you and I are.

When we use the English language We're not thinking in those categories. And so there is a danger and I and this is probably I know Dan well enough personally that This is probably what he's referring to is that when we make those divisions that we then artificially enforce them upon our interpretation of the text and so the problem is from our perspective and If you're not taught to to if you're not taught well, and I was taught very well then yeah that that could happen, but we were always taught that just because you see the appropriateness of a Locative syntactical sphere for a term.

You also need to look at the possibility of the instrumental or something along those lines. Well, so we wish wouldn't fall into that type of a trap that he's he's referring to there because he's right.

The Greek speaker wouldn't be Functioning in the way of the English interpreter of the Greek is and yeah. The better you are at Greek the more you think like them rather than Forcing your categories upon upon the language.

So yeah. Oh, okay. All right. Well press on with your studies and Lord bless you. All right, that's uh. After after a few hours of sleep, it's great to go back to your whole day's teaching green. Yeah, I miss that.

I really miss that. I wish I had the opportunity to do it again. But now I'm seeing folks that I taught Greek. And that is I gotta tell you one of the most encouraging things in my life and I turned 50 yesterday.

So now I can reminisce anytime I want to is to see. I Hope I hope summer's not listening because I've got I've got Evan May in Twitter saying ah the waiting we were in label for labor for 30 plus hours and Then we now Deb Martin just said tell her to hang in there.

Same thing happened to me, too. The waiting is the worst. Yeah. Okay, we know we know. It's not it's not easy on grandma and grandpa either. Let me tell you you're just on pins and needles. But you know, we're we already went through all this once so it's I guess we're supposed to.

Well, no just being parents not we. I went through it twice, but I get once Kelly got to it, man. She just there's that was it she decided that we're gonna have a baby gonna have a baby and that's there was no stopping and starting.

It was just whoo. Here we go. So anyways, what was I talking about? Oh, yeah. What was? What what was that? One ping only of a silly. Let's see if that if that had happened In hunt for red October there would have been nuclear war.

So you're lucky that you weren't on that submarine and that you're not a Scottish Russian. Anyhow, what was I saying? It's always dangerous to do this on a couple hours or the sleep it is always very encouraging to Find out that some of my former students are now doing for others what I did for them.

So I think of this I had there was this one Greek class I had at Golden Gate back around. When was it? It was it was I don't know late 90s and I Just remember toward the end of the first semester I Mentioned to them, you know, they're gonna have to turn in this final and I said now, you know, I'm not saying That This has anything that I would could ever be bought off by a student, but I am only human and I love chocolate oranges and If I have many chocolate oranges Then I will be in a good mood and grading your Greek finals.

But if I have few chocolate oranges, I won't be in as good a mood. I don't know how many chocolate oranges I ended up with but I Ended up with some serious number of chocolate oranges. Let's just put it that way and It was just a sometimes just have certain classes that you remember and This group had some really really interesting interesting people in it and what has happened is one of the guys who I Don't know I I had a lot of Interesting interactions with he was he was the guy who struggled a lot and and made it public that he was I Think he just got his PhD in New Testament At a well-known seminary and I'm the one that got him through Greek and man that feels good that really really feels good.

It feels good this, you know, I'm seeing the next generation literally in my own life. But there's the next generation in ministry as well. So that's a That's a that's a real exciting thing to me. Anyhow, I better get back to something here that I can talk about and have some form where I'm just gonna keep meandering about the landscape Talking about this that the other thing now Nana and channel is talking about Chocolate covered orange sticks are my favorite candy and I actually managed to kick someone out of channel for mocking The chocolate oranges.

Do you know they have they have milk chocolate oranges. They have dark chocolate oranges and Then they have the absolutely should be illegal white chocolate oranges and Wow, wow, that's just that's why I never lose weight in December.

Because that's when they're available and then come January we get serious again and get back to it. And that's of course, that's when it starts warming up here again in Phoenix anyways because we well actually we schedule winter in between January 1st and 10th and Then we we get to spring after that and that's just sort of how it how it works, um.

Last week sometime whenever it was was the last week. Yeah last week last Thursday, I believe. Were we here Thursday? Yeah, I think we were here Thursday. Good. All right, that's that's good to know we started looking at some of these statements that Sammy is a toddy made and See Vicky and likes dark chocolate oranges, too, and I had a I had a I think possibly that that Clementine's coming because summer and Kelly together Baked me a birthday cake yesterday, but they used Vicky Ann's recipe and It turned out awesome.

Absolutely. Awesome. So I think that's probably why we're having a baby today is because the cake turned out so well yesterday, maybe Chocolate-covered bacon now, that's disgusting. That is that's just yeah.

No, no. Yeah. Oh, oh mrs Dave Hewitt is right chocolate is good and less on insects or coconut. I agree. I agree. I Cannot stand coconut even though mrs. Dave Hewitt misspelled coconut. But anyway, I Cannot stand so I hate biting into this time of year.

They've got those beautiful chocolates on the plate or something you bite into it and it's got Coconut in it and I'm trying to find some place to throw it out without looking like a complete idiot. What I'm just trying to figure out how I'm gonna describe this dividing line.

Um ramblings of Sleep the ramp on sleep was sleepless grandpa. That's right. I Just skip it just just just say You just have to listen to it to understand this that's the best way to put it you can. You wrote down what the caller was about the 8k system and there was an introduction to the to the sermon audio thing and now I'm gonna get back to Sammy's Autry eventually.

It just it's just it's just taking so toddy whatever his name is. We're get there anyways. Now somebody on Twitter is asking about mint chocolate oranges. That would be good I'll have to admit a mint chocolate orange should be really good.

I should stop looking at Twitter in the channel, shouldn't I? Because right now I have a really bad case of ADD. So which is better the five case or the eight case chocolate orange? That's that's how I'm going to describe.

This is just all muddled together and You see this is the one difference between me. There's many differences and many differences between me and RC sprawl John MacArthur John Piper. You would never hear them doing this that they're they're handlers.

Aren't you supposed to be my handler? Aren't you supposed to keep me from doing things like this? Isn't that your job? I just let you go and We see what happens. Yeah. Handling you is essentially the year five minutes before the show I ask you So what are we gonna talk about what I say?

The answer is religious stuff religious stuff. Yeah. We're gonna take calls. Maybe maybe You never know. That's there are times honestly that I that I walk in here with a Tremendous sense of purpose but most of the time nah, not really.

Not really. No, I did have these queued up. So I I can't say that completely. But I I really do need to turn this thing off. I got to turn the the channel off or something because every time I look over there, there's something else Turretin fans trying to get me.

He's now using color. Except he's miss misspellings a toddy. So that's really not good either. I can't Vicki and I can't be on a baby girl high yet because I haven't had a chance to hold her yet. But you know putting the car seat in the car.

It's getting close I mean once you get to that point you're there you're pretty much there and You have to put a 45 degree angle and all this so is the car seat actually locked into the car now. It is locked in.

And I found the key to getting the thingy through it. Was you got to be willing to lift all the frou-frou padding stuff up so you really find the frame. So you can get it through the right channel and get it locked down, right?

And then it just slips back on and and it's good that that's easy to remove because that's gonna get spit up. Oh Yes, the memories are coming back. My daughter's 23. It's been a while since we you know, you did stuff like this, you know and the the doula kept asking my wife that do you remember when this happened and and Did this happen to you and my poor Kelly's and they're going don't remember any of that.

It's like nope. Don't remember that. No so No, now he's misspelled Zatari the wrong way. It's ZAT AARI. That's that's it's the toddy We should play some. Oh, yeah. Okay. Why don't we do that? I've got queued up.

It says start here. I mean that's about is and you have you have the thing ready to go alright, that's the way we're getting anywhere is if I hit this button and get started and stop looking at the channel and just talking with folks so back to Sammy.

You know, you're the Jews you say you're better than us in following God. So shouldn't you judge your book and according to Jesus? Remember my opening. Even he said you made the book of God into nothing.

So the Quran is even using rhetorical device here when it's saying judged by your book. Showing their hypocrisy that they're not even judging by their own book. So they shouldn't even be trying to pretend to be all righteous.

Pretending to be all righteous. Well, I Again, if since we are now having to shift gears here in case you had didn't listen on Thursday. This is all about a text that we have gone through many times before.

In fact, I am proud to say that my audience probably knows more about surah 5 44 through 47 than the vast majority of the Islamic community does. Because we have gone through it so many times before but the fact of the matter is that's Not what surah 5 is talking about.

There's nothing here about hypocrisy and all the rest of stuff. And Saying that you're pretending to be all righteous it's saying they have the Torah and they have the injeel and they are to judge by what is there found therein.

And David would had done an excellent job and laying out the Muslim quandary and this is what we finished the program with. Last time was I. Really wonder why? We have yet to see a meaningful exegetical hadith based companion based early tafsir based whatever interpretation of surah 5 44 through 48 that can Rehabilitate the modern Muslim apologetic that well known of the gospel had been Corrupted by then and and that's when they run off and start quoting various Gnostic Gurus from you know that are publishing books on Amazon to make money right now.

Because well the Gospels been destroyed. Well, that's not what surah 5 47 says. Let the people the gospel judge. But what Allah has revealed therein and whoever does not judge but Allah has revealed. Then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient those words if they had any meaning in Let's say approximately 630 AD they meant one thing and that is the gospel still existed and We know what the gospel looked like in 630.

We know what it was contained in. It was contained in the Gospels of Matthew Mark Luke and John. Which the writer the Quran never acknowledges never shows any knowledge of. You're exactly right. He doesn't because the writer the Quran was ignorant.

Now the Muslim goes that's impossible because God wrote the Quran. Therefore there must be something other there must be some other explanation but is that anachronistic way of thought that catches the Muslim apologist and turns this text on its head and This isn't a response to what David said as I think David will point out as soon as he gets to it and.

That's one that means we have a narration from a companion of the Prophet narrated by Ibn Abbas. Who quoted on one. And what did he say? He said why do you go to the Jews and Christians? Why do you go to their book when it has been revealed that their book has been corrupted and changed now?

It's interesting.

There are differing views amongst the companions and the early sources on This subject, but I would just point out Okay, saying Ibn Abbas is quoting from Umar Pretty strong hadith chain. Why isn't there anything from Muhammad?

Why isn't there anything from Muhammad? I would think Let's let's put this put this way. Let's let's let's put the the the shoe on the proverbial other foot for just a second just a moment. Why is it that the emphasis of modern Islamic apologists is not the emphasis of argumentation of those early companions.

Or Even more so and that's an area that I'm doing some work in and Hope to do much more work in the future is those those early encounters between Christians and Muslims but Let's ask it this way if the Quran is supposed to be the the final revelation then why is it that the emphasis the apologetic emphasis of the Quran against Christianity is a theological one say not three rather than a A.

What what it is with every Muslim you talk to your scripture bankrupt your scriptures have been corrupted. Even in places like surah 2 that these folks run to 79 places like that. Those are Ambiguous texts as to who's being spoken of you look at the context is talking about Unlearned people it's not talking about the Christian monks and the Jewish rabbis or things like that.

And and even then there were people who interpreted those words as referring to people who were writing a Jewish traditions and calling them Authoritative when they aren't weren't actually a part of the scripture and all that kind of stuff.

It's just seems to me that for most Muslim apologists there there would have to be some soul-searching To answer the question. Why is it that the apologetic of the Quran is not my apologetic? Now I think personally That my apologetic is the apologetic of the New Testament.

I am NOT saying That you have to limit yourself only to the questions that were addressed say by the Apostles because the Apostles never addressed partial birth abortion or genetic manipulation of fetuses but I think that the application of the worldview of the Apostles and their methodology is what we should do.

That's been one of my primary criticisms of a large portion of Christian apologetics William Lane Craig and others as I don't think that the Apostles ever argued for the greater probability the existence of a God.

I Have always argued that they they predicated the entirety of their presentation on the existence of the one true God and So I think I'm being consistent here in Asking my Muslim apologist friends those who would even take the time to consider what I'm saying.

And I will have to admit. I only know a very I know less than one hands worth of fingers Representing the number of Muslim apologists that I actually think might take the time to consider What I'm saying.

The Majority of the men that I have engaged in this subject. I just don't think would even Hear what I'm saying. A couple would and so it's for them that I ask Why is that that your apologetic is so fundamentally different than that of the Quran.