November 8, 2022 Show with Dr. Joe Morecraft on “A Christian Looks at the Elections Through the Eyes of the Bible”

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Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy election day, and at least

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I hope it's going to be a happy election day, on this Tuesday, November 8th, 2022, and very timely for election day.

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We have Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III on the program, and he has become not only one of my very favorite guests to interview, but it seems as a growing, a rapidly growing number of folks in the

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Iron Sharpens Iron Radio audience very enthusiastically share that opinion.

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So I am not alone in that assessment, that he is one of the best guests that we have on this program, and that is why we have him on the program so frequently.

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Today we are going to be addressing a very timely subject, a Christian looks at the elections through the eyes of the

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Bible, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr.

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Joseph C. Moorcraft III. It's good to be back with you, Chris, too.

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And Dr. Moorcraft is an author, and he is the pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia.

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Why don't you, for the sake of our listeners who have not yet heard you on this program, inform us about Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia.

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Gladly. Heritage Presbyterian Church is in Cumming, Georgia, which is just north of Atlanta, Georgia, and it is in the

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Reformed Presbyterian Church, Hanover Presbytery, which is a conservative and thoroughly reformed, very small denomination of congregations from California to New England.

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We are a small congregation. Our people come from all kinds of backgrounds, but they know why they're there.

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They're not there out of ignorance. They're there because they want to hear the word of God pure and unmixed.

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They want to hear biblical Christianity in its purest human expression, which is the

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Reformed faith, as expressed in the Westminster Confession of Faith and larger and shorter catechisms.

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Our people are dedicated to raising their children in the nurture and admonition of the

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Lord. They are dedicated to carrying out the Great Commission.

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We just commissioned and paid for a team of five men twice to go down to the border, the southern border, where we have such an invasion, and to spend a week, two times, spending a week preaching the gospel to the migrants that are down there.

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And so they went to Mexico, and they preached back in February, and then last week to thousands upon thousands of people and had many positive responses.

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And so maybe in the Lord's will, we'll send them back in the future, but we believe it's the responsibility of the church to bring the discipline of the word of God to bear upon all the nations of the world by baptizing them in the name of the

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Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and teaching them to observe all that he has commanded us.

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Amen. And if anybody wants more details about Heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming, Georgia, my, well, there,

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I should say, website is heritagepresbyterianchurch .com, presbyterianchurch .com.

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And I want to thank Dr. Moorcraft for being so willing to be a fill -in guest today at the very last minute.

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We had a previously scheduled guest on the program who could not be with us today because of a matter involving a hospitalization of a family member.

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So we will let you know when that guest will be back on the program. And for anyone who had heard of that guest being promoted as our guest today.

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But thank you, Dr. Moorcraft, for being so willing to bail us out at the last minute.

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My privilege. And we are speaking about a very controversial theme that amazingly divides professing

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Christians You know, I had a Lyft driver today.

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For those of you unfamiliar with Lyft, it is the competitor to Uber. And my

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Lyft driver today, his name is Ruben from San Juan, Puerto Rico.

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Ruben made it clear during our conversations that he was not a born -again believer, although he seemed to have a high level of respect for Christians.

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And he said that there are members of his family that are Baptists and involved in Christian music and so on.

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But Ruben, very enthusiastically, told me that he was voting

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Republican today. And he told me that he thinks the

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Democratic Party stands for a lot of crazy stuff, as he put it.

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And he said, these liberals are doing a lot of crazy things in his very thick

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Puerto Rican accent. And the thing that is very amazing to me is that you can have a man who is not even regenerate, does not even have the indwelling of the

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Holy Spirit, and he sees the truths of the fallacy of the

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Democratic Party or the Democrat Party, excuse me, and the insanity that those who are the leading candidates, the platforms that they stand on, the grotesque, satanic things.

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It used to be that universally, even liberals were horrified over late -term abortion.

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Now they celebrate that. They don't care if the baby is nine months old. They don't care if the baby is born accidentally after an attempted abortion.

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They still believe a woman has the right to murder that child. And the platform of giving so -called rights to children, even prepubescent children, to be sexually mutilated surgically and through pharmaceutical means to so -called change their gender, which that is never accomplished.

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That is an impossible thing to attempt to accomplish. And this person, as I said, this cab driver or this

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Lyft driver, immediately recognized there's no way

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I can vote for people who stand for things like that. And yet there are regenerate people who have the

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Holy Spirit in them. It's hard for me to believe that they are genuinely regenerate, and perhaps most of them are not, but only

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God can know. But there are Christian or professedly

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Christian people out there who say that the good outweighs the bad in voting for the liberal

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Democrats because they think that the policies of these politicians who are liberal

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Democrats, even if they believe in things that these Christians personally reject, they think that they are more

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Christ -like in their concern for the underdog, for the poor, for the persecuted, and on and on.

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Do you share my bafflement over this, how you can have people who have very little education, who don't have the benefit of a new heart from Christ, do not have the benefit of the

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Holy Spirit to enlighten them in regards to biblical truth, and yet they can still plainly see something that is very serious, has eternal consequences here, that these professing

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Christians cannot see? Praise the Lord for His common grace. That happened to me when

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I ran for the United States Congress back in 1986. A woman who was an atheist,

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I mean, she professed to be an atheist, had nothing to do with Christianity, spent hours and hours every week working in my campaign trying to get me elected to Congress.

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And I said, Ms. So -and -so, why are you an atheist trying to get me, a

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Christian, elected to the Congress of the United States? She said, because you will preserve my wealth and they will rob me blind.

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That's right. So, God's common grace can keep an unregenerate person from being as sinful as he can possibly be.

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If God wasn't merciful to the whole human race, the whole human race would be far worse than Charles Manson.

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And I think there's reasons, on the other hand, I think there's several reasons why professed

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Christians, people that would surprise you, people that you would think should know better, people who go to evangelical churches and reform churches, there are reasons why they throw away their vote on election day.

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And today was a very important day in the history of the United States, a very important day.

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It wasn't as important as some people think. I mean, it's not going to be the end of the world if the

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Democrats get elected. But it is a very important day. But Christians make mistakes on election day.

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That's why we lose a lot. And the mistakes are made for several reasons.

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One, because when they go in the voting booth, they vote out of ignorance and fear and not faith.

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They're afraid we've got to vote for the lesser of the two evils, because if the worse the two evils get elected, things will be worse.

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So we vote out of fear, and then they easily manipulate us. We vote out of fear.

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We know they know we'll do it again and again and again. But also, there is abysmal ignorance among Christians when they vote.

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For instance, you have both parties saying today, saying the other party is destroying our democracy, and we must work hard to defeat the opposition to save the democracy.

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The only problem is this country is not a democracy. It was not founded to be a democracy.

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Constitutional republic. Yeah, the word democracy does not occur in the Declaration of Independence, the

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Constitution of the United States. It is a republic, and most

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Christians don't even know the difference. You know, I don't understand. My favorite political talk show host, not saying he's a brother in Christ, he makes it fairly clear that he's not, but my favorite political talk show host is

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Tucker Carlson, and yet he constantly refers to the United States as a democracy.

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I don't understand it, because he's a brilliant guy. So why is it that people keep repeating that mistake?

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He went to public schools, probably. But the word democracy is made up of two

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Greek words, mob, rule. And a democracy is a nation where the majority of people govern and control things.

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The majority of people maneuvered and controlled by people of power.

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All democracies degenerate into tyrannies. You see that all the way back in the ancient

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Greek democracies, they eventually became tyrannies. A republic is not a democracy.

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It's not a nation governed by the people. It is, as you have said, a constitutional republic, a nation governed by constitutional law, administered and enforced by men elected by the people to enforce that law.

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That is the ideal principle of the United States Constitution that makes us different than many of the other nations in the world.

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For instance, we have a thing called the Electoral College, which most people don't know about or don't understand or don't like.

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But it's the Electoral College that preserves this country from being a democracy where the majority rule.

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They just had an election in Brazil, and the

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Christian incumbent president, Bolsonaro, was defeated.

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Sadly. There may have been fraud. Brazil is exploding.

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There are thousands and thousands of people protesting in all the big cities of Brazil. The man that won was a man named

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Lula da Silva. Lula da Silva is a socialist who has been in prison for 500 days.

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But he got his buddies in various courts. He used to be president to get rid of the various charges against him.

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And he barely won. And here's why he won. Brazil has, I think, five provinces.

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The biggest one is the poorest one. And that's the only province that voted for Lula da

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Silva. The other provinces did not, so that the president of Brazil is elected by plurality.

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If he can get the most votes, he wins. And so there was one province where he got the most votes, and so they'll get the most welfare money.

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But in this country, that's not the way we were founded. We were founded by men who understood what a republic was.

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There is a great book that I recommend to your listeners called The Hebrew Republic by a man named

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Wines, W -I -N -E -S. And he's talking about Israel in the

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Old Testament, which most people don't even know is a republic.

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In Old Testament Israel, they had the separation of church and state. In Old Testament Israel, they were governed not by the majority vote, but by the

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Constitution, which was the law of God. In Old Testament Israel, kings had to be chosen by the people, as well as called by God.

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And so all the kings of Israel were chosen by the people of Israel, unless they were appointed by some petty dictator, because Israel was under their thumb.

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So it is amazing how the various political principles of not just the

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Old Testament, but the whole Bible, shaped and influenced the formation of our

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Constitution. So when people go into the... Democrats go into office, they want to save our democracy.

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When Republicans go into the voting booth, they want to save our democracy. And so it's easy to manipulate people that are ignorant.

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And then also there's another reason why. Christians, professed

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Christians, make mistakes when they vote. And that's not because of fear, or because of ignorance.

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It is because of sin. Now what do I mean?

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Well, everybody knows, you hear it on every talk show, you hear it on every newscast, that the two...

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Republicans believe that the two worst problems in America are the economy and crime.

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And that the worst problem, as far as the Democrats are concerned, is abortion.

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And what they mean by that is that there's the fear that the Republicans are going to put some limits on abortion, because the

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Democrats want abortion up to birth and after birth. And we, as conservative

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Christians, know that that's terrible. That's a sinful attitude. But I'll tell you what else is a sinful attitude among conservative

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Republicans. The two most important issues among conservative Republicans are, number one, inflation, i .e.,

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the preservation of my money, and crime, that is, the preservation of my personal security.

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Me, me, me. That's the primary concern of conservative Republicans. Whereas the primary issue in conservative

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Republicans should be abortion. They should stand wholeheartedly, enthusiastically against the murder of unborn babies.

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Now, praise the Lord, we have a bunch of Republicans and officeholders that believe that we should have no abortions and that abortions should be outlawed without exception.

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In fact, the Republican running for the United States Senate in Georgia, Hershel Walker, said the other day, and I heard him say it, that he was against all abortions with no exceptions.

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Except that the pragmatic Republican leadership said, if we emphasize abortion, everybody's going to think we're a bunch of radicals, so let's don't talk about abortion.

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Let's don't play it up. The Democrats say, let's play it up, because we don't want to have any restrictions.

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And then the Republicans, once again, cower and play the part of a coward, and instead of saying, the

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Lord honors those who honor Him, we're going to stand against the murder of unborn babies, they refuse to say anything.

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So that abortion, among Republicans, is about the third or fourth or fifth issue that they're concerned with.

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Now, crime is a big issue. The economy and inflation is a big issue.

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Border security is a big issue. All those things are important. I'm not downplaying them at all.

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But when you say that you're conservative and constitutional and Christian, and abortion is the fourth or fifth issue that concerns you, it's not ignorance.

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It's sin. It's cowardice. So I pray that this year, and the election's not over in Georgia, it's time to go vote.

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And so if you haven't voted, I would encourage you to go on and vote. But make sure you're not voting out of fear.

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They can manipulate you and maneuver you if you are. Make sure you're not voting out of ignorance.

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They can manipulate you if you are. Make sure that you're not voting because of sin in your life, of putting your own wealth and your own personal security above the murder of unborn babies.

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Now, voting is a precious thing. But Christians can't leave the Bible out of the voting booth when they enter the voting booth.

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They must be as biblical in the voting booth as they are outside. What does the

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Bible say are the standards for somebody elected to office? For somebody who's a president or a judge, what are the standards?

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Does anybody know what the standards are? Does anybody know where to go in the

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Bible to find out what the standards for a president or a judge should be?

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Most people don't even know that there are clear standards in the Book of Deuteronomy. And that they say, well, that's

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Old Testament. Well, that is the Word of God. And not one jot or tittle of the

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Word of God, including the Old Testament, will pass away until everything God has planned is fulfilled.

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So understand what the standards for an elected official are.

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Understand, this is another thing, understand what the standards for a voter should be.

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In America today, because we've been brainwashed over the past 150 years, we think it's everybody's right to vote.

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So we should make voting accessible to everybody about 18 years and above.

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Well, remember several things. There were several amendments to the

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Constitution that made that possible. There was an amendment to the Constitution, as originally written, that made it possible for slaves to vote, freed slaves.

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There was an amendment that made it possible for women to vote. But if anybody's checked your

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Constitution recently, it says that mature men should vote.

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That is, in the Bible, the people that were responsible for government of a nation were mature, godly heads of families who owned property.

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Now that's pretty much heresy to everybody today. But there was a time in which that was the standard belief in the

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United States. It's in the Constitution, part of that is. And you can see it even more thoroughly in the

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Scriptures. So it's not just the Democrats that have destroyed this country in the past two years.

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It's all Americans who have forgotten what we were meant to be over the past many decades, who gradually have surrendered the

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United States to the enemy out of a desire for personal safety and personal wealth.

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And it's only during the Democrats that things have greatly accelerated.

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The destruction of America didn't start with them. It goes all the way back.

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So let me encourage Christianity. If you're a Christian, if you're listening and you're one of those people that voted out of sin or fear or ignorance, none of those are unpardonable sins.

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You can be forgiven for those things. But to receive forgiveness from God, you first of all must be convicted over your sins.

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You deserve his condemnation. And your only hope is sovereign mercy and the free grace of God.

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So the place we got to start to this election day is Americans, particularly conservative

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Americans, crying out to mercy for God, to God, for the way we voted for the past many decades and generations.

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Amen. Amen. And we're going to go to our first break right now. If anybody has a question for Joe Moorcraft, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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We are addressing the theme, A Christian Looks at the Elections Through the Eyes of the

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Bible, on Election Day 2022. If you have a question, send it in to chrisarnzen at gmail .com

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Now, you mentioned earlier that the most crucial issue that a politician should stand upon and that a voter should be looking for in what candidate he will support and vote for is the protection of the most fragile and helpless humans on the face of the earth, unborn children, who are in what should be the safety of their mother's womb, and yet it could be one of the most unsafe places a human being can be in this day and age because not only does the world legalize the gruesome, barbaric butchery of these children who are torn to pieces while alive and vacuumed out of the womb like garbage, but it's celebrated.

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It's enthusiastically celebrated by not only individuals but politicians.

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But you'll hear people say, well, voting for a president, for instance, doesn't matter if he's pro -abortion because he has no real say in that issue.

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Or you could go on to other politicians running for office and the person will say the same thing.

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They'll say, I just like this candidate's fiscal policies better than the conservative, better than the pro -life candidates.

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So I'm voting for the Democrat over this issue and that issue and the other issue even though he or she is pro -abortion because they're not going to do anything to affect that issue anyway.

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How do you respond to that? When we vote for somebody, we are voting not for just an individual person detached from other people.

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We are voting for a political party. If you are going to vote for Biden, you're voting for the

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Democrat party. If you vote for the

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Republican, you'll be voting for the Republican party. We're not just voting for individuals.

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We are voting for parties and their platform and what they want to put into effect and how they want to govern this land.

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We have also Republicans, a great many Republicans in elected office who are so cowardly that they compromise even their own conscience and they say, oh yes,

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I'm against abortion. Oh yes, I don't like abortion except in cases of rape, incest, and the life of the mother.

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Well now what is abortion? Abortion is the murder of an unborn human being.

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You may not ever murder a human being unjustly.

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God told Noah that when you set up your political institutions, make sure they understand that if a man made in the image of God is killed unjustly by another man, the man that killed him must forfeit his own life.

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So we don't kill little babies because of the sin of the father or the sin of the mother.

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And Everett Koop used to be the Surgeon General of the

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United States under Ronald Reagan. Everett Koop was a great man.

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He was a Christian. He was an OBGYN. I met him years ago at 10th

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Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania where he was a member. Is that right? Yes. That's great.

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And he had been an OBGYN for many, many years and had seen countless numbers of pregnant women.

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And he said one time in a letter that in all of his career, he has never known a situation where an unborn baby had to be aborted in order to save the life of the mother.

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So as Christians, we've got to be consistent with the Word of God. Murder is murder.

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There are a lot of people out there and many famous people who were conceived in rape or conceived in incest and their mothers chose not to abort them and they have lived very happy and productive lives.

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So if we're going to be Christian, we must be Christian and not sell out when it becomes hard to be

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Christian. Now, all of what I've said so far does not mean at all that it doesn't matter to me who gets elected.

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It matters very much to me who gets elected. Even though I don't like all the

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Republicans that are running for office, I pray that the majority of those that get elected today will be

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Republican and not Democrat for two reasons. One, to break the back of a

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Democratic tyranny, which is far worse than the Republican Party. And secondly, to give us a little more breathing room so that we can have more time and more opportunity to preach the gospel, change people's mind and influence people.

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The Democrat Party is becoming more and more oppressive. It's making it harder and harder for Christians to speak openly the truth without persecution.

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At least with most of the Republicans that get elected, there will not be that degree of oppression.

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Now, some of the Republicans that are running for office are good people. There are some genuine

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Christians that are running. There are some genuine pro -lifers that are running.

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So make sure you know the candidates. My wife and I voted absentee ballot because I can't walk to speak of.

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And so we went down the list. We got a voters page and we went down the list and looked at all the candidates.

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And if they were Republican but they believed in aborting one baby, we didn't vote for them.

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If we didn't know them, we didn't vote for them. But that doesn't mean that a candidate has to be perfect.

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There's no such thing as a perfect candidate. But it does mean we must know the people that have asked us for our vote.

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And so we voted the way we always do, for the people that come closest to the standard in the

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Book of Deuteronomy. They can be mistaken about a lot of things and we'll still vote for them unless they believe in abortion to any degree.

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And you know, I know some of our listeners will say, here he goes again with that story, as I've told it a number of times on the program.

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I may have even told you. But I have or had a friend, he has since passed, since this occurred.

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This friend was a local black pastor and he seemed to, in spite of the liberal circles that he fellowshiped in, he seemed to personally understand the gospel and had conservative theological views.

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But he contacted me after I aired a rerun of an interview that I did with Dr.

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Clennard Childress, who is the former and the operator of a website called

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Black Genocide. It is an anti -abortion website.

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And I aired a rerun of that interview after Barack Obama was elected.

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And during that interview, this brother was speaking out against the candidacy of Barack Obama.

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And my friend contacted me and said he was so upset that I had this interview after the election, that I aired the rerun of this interview after the election, because the election was settled and now all

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I was doing was stirring up racial tension on Long Island, which is where I used to live.

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And I said to him, look, would you like to come back on the, or should I say come on the program?

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He had never been on the program before. Would you like to be a guest on my program so you can give a response to that interview?

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And he came on and I said to him, well, first of all, it's a mystery why you think

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I'm stirring up racial tension since my guest was black. That's Pastor Klenner Childress.

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And by the way, the specific website that he has founded and operates is blackgenocide .org.

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blackgenocide .org. And so therefore you have people, two people of different skin colors uniting over issues that we believe are essential for the

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Christian church. So therefore it's not trying to cause division, it's showing unity.

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But I said to him secondly, what is it that you have such a problem with over those evangelical

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Christians who are so adamant in their opposition to abortion? And he said,

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I don't personally believe in abortion, but the thing that bothers me so much is that white evangelicals such as yourself are very often one -issue voters and the abortion issue is the only thing you seem to be concerned about.

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And I asked him a question. I said, if you found out there was a political candidate, it doesn't matter what office, could be mayor, senator, could be president of the

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United States, and you found yourself agreeing with every position on this person's platform, and yet the candidate was a member in good standing of the

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Ku Klux Klan, would you vote for that person? He goes, absolutely not. I said, why?

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Because he's a member of the Klan, obviously. I said, so that's your one issue? And he was dumbfounded and after stuttering a bit said, but he's a member of the

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Klan. And I said, yes, but it's your one issue. And I said, and to be perfectly honest, brother, don't be offended by this, but being an advocate of the brutal, torturous murder of unborn children is far more satanic and grotesque than some moron being in the

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Klan and having ridiculous ideas and sinful and wicked ideas about the color of people's skin.

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As much as that's a grotesque position to have, to be a bigot and be a member of the

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Klan, as grotesque as that is, it doesn't come close to being an advocate of the murder of unborn children.

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So how would you respond to that interaction? I would say that the worst crime that politicians pay today is they are for the murder of unborn babies right underneath their rebellion against God.

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And that's a sign of their rebellion. I think Christians must not be single -issue candidates.

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I mean voters. I think there's a priority to various issues.

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But like for instance, if there was somebody who was a devout communist and didn't believe in abortion, I wouldn't vote for him.

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So if there was somebody that believed this was a republic but believed that there should be a constitutional amendment legalizing homosexual marriages,

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I would not vote for him. Voting is a very important thing to me. And I'm not going to waste it by voting for God's enemies who are blatantly, overtly

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God's enemies. Now when you say you're not a one -issue voter, what you mean, and I'm having you clarify this,

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I believe from what I've heard from you that you mean there is one issue, and it's not only abortion, but it may be other issues like you said, same -sex marriage, legalization, and so on.

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But there are issues where that one issue would prevent you from voting for a candidate.

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But when you vote for a candidate, it can't be just because they're pro -life or just because they're against same -sex marriage.

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They could have a host of other issues. Yes, sir. That's what

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I would say, too. And so things are not settled simply by getting the candidates we want in office.

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I fully expect Republicans overwhelmingly tomorrow to be elected to office and to come into control of the

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Senate and of the House of Representatives. I expect that to happen.

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I'm not a prophet, but I expect that to happen. And Christians are going to be exuberant if it does happen.

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There's going to be celebrations. There's going to be all kinds of joy and happiness, and I will rejoice, too.

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But understand, if the Republicans become in control of everything today, that does not mean there's a revival in the

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United States. And nothing but a Holy Spirit -motivated revival will save this country from destruction.

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Republican politicians can't do it. They can't do it. Even if we elect them all, they can't do it.

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They don't have it in their power to do it. The church must repent of her sins and must totally submit herself to God.

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And so if the Republicans win tomorrow, I pray they do, that doesn't settle anything.

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It just means, number one, we're free from the Democrats, praise the Lord. It does mean we have a little more room to preach and to teach.

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But it is absolutely no indication of a revival starting to sweep the country with the red wave.

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As long as the Christians vote primarily out of fear, ignorance, sin, unbelief, guilt, even if they vote right, there's no sign that there's a great spiritual revival.

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So I hope Christians, when we hopefully rejoice tomorrow, when we hear the news of all the elections, that we still tremble in our boots for the future of the

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We have Matthew in Reading City, Pennsylvania. What is, in your opinion, the best ministry that a young married couple could pursue in light of either a red wave or a blue wave regarding election results?

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Would a blue wave instead of a red wave outcome impact that decision at all? So let me repeat that.

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It's an interesting question. In what opinion, what is, in your opinion, the best ministry that a young married couple could pursue in light of either a red wave or a blue wave regarding election results?

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When they say, perhaps Matthew if you could clarify what you mean because I'm not sure what he means by the best ministry that a young married couple could pursue.

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I'm assuming that means the couple themselves being involved in ministerial activity.

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Yeah. I preached on this Sunday morning. I preached to young married couples on how every young married couple must have a ministry.

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I performed a wedding one time for this Christian man and Christian woman. I thought they were great

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Christians. I thought they'd have a great marriage. And then after a year they couldn't stand each other because they spent all their time with each other and they didn't have any ministry outside the home.

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The reason God has you to get married is so that you can be more effective together carrying out the dominion mandate and building a

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Christian civilization and leading people to Christ. That's a very important question. My answer to it is that your ministry will be whoever gets elected.

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Your ministry will be two things. If you have children, three things.

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If you have children, bring them up in a nurtured admonition of the Lord. Train them from the earliest days.

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Make sure they know the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth from their very earliest days.

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Secondly, seek to influence other young adults your age with the truth.

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If they're Christians they probably go to a church where they need to be straightened out on a lot of things.

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You make sure you're in a church where you don't have to be straightened out on a lot of things.

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Take them out to eat. Have them over to your house. Train them and teach them to think and live consistently as a

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Christian. Then whenever you can, if you know a non -Christian couple, have that non -Christian couple over to your house.

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Or take them out to eat and little by little seek to lead them to Christ.

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So whoever gets elected, it's not going to affect what you do in your ministry.

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Your ministry is going to be the same. You're going to seek to win the hearts and minds of other people, particularly your age.

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Get in a church that is thoroughly reformed where the preacher is going to preach everything the

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Bible says and nothing but what the Bible says. And Chris knows a bunch of those churches.

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And then I tell young married couples there are several kinds of relationships to get into.

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Get into a relationship with another married couple that are farther along spiritually than you are so that you can share with them your various struggles.

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Then secondly, get into a relationship with a couple your age so that you can share the struggles you both face together.

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And then thirdly, get in a relationship with a young couple that's not as far along as you are so that you can bring them along and you can encourage them and you can teach them and take them to church with you.

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And fourthly, get in a relationship with a young couple that are not Christians so that by your life and by your testimony and by your instructions you can lead them out of darkness into light.

01:17:58

So that is an extremely important question. Amen. Well, by the way,

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01:18:40

We have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York. He says, one thing that troubles me is when

01:18:50

I see Christians or at least professed

01:18:55

Christians who are conservative and they are involved in political talk shows and they have warm, fuzzy conversations with those on the other side of the aisle politically, and it just seems like they're old friends and they are as friendly as could be with them, and yet those people on the other side of the aisle with whom they are conversing believe in child murder.

01:19:29

One example is Harold Ford Jr., who is frequently seen on Fox News having these conversations where there is very often laughter involved and the live and let live kind of an attitude.

01:19:47

Now, many people will say that that is a far better thing than the hateful

01:19:52

Democrats who accuse us of being Nazis and have nothing good to say to us.

01:19:59

But at the same time, there's something that makes me sick to my stomach to see a subject like abortion being treated like it is a trivial issue.

01:20:09

Should we have these kind of relationships and conversations with those that believe in child murder?

01:20:16

I understand the nature of the question and I appreciate it. And I think, first of all, we must try to convert these people without letting them feel like that abortion is not a big thing.

01:20:31

It's very difficult for me to laugh and play with somebody that plays fast and loose with the lives of little babies.

01:20:39

I will try to convert them if I have an opportunity. I will try to change their mind.

01:20:47

To do that, I will be friendly with them as I can. But I understand there's a great divide between us.

01:20:56

And we must not, for instance, the preaching of the gospel is the saver of life unto life to some and the saver of death unto death to others.

01:21:05

So we're going to offend people. Jesus said, I came not to bring a sword.

01:21:13

I came to bring the sword of the word of God that will cut between families and friends.

01:21:20

So I can't have a close relationship with somebody that doesn't care whether babies are killed or not.

01:21:27

But I can be civil. I can be critical.

01:21:35

I can be strongly critical knowing that it's going to offend that person.

01:21:42

But there is an offense to the gospel. In fact, the book of Galatians, which talks about the offense of the cross, the word there in Greek is scandal.

01:21:52

The cross is scandalous to the unbeliever. And so many of the things that we believe the unbeliever is scandalized by.

01:22:00

He can't understand the thoughts of it. If we believe the things we believe, he sees it as racist or bigots.

01:22:09

And that's the way it's going to be. But we must not be bigots.

01:22:15

We must not be racists. We must be firm. We must be critical when that's called for.

01:22:25

And whenever we have the opportunity, we must firmly and patiently try to change that person's mind.

01:22:33

It's very difficult. And it can't be done apart from the power of the Holy Spirit.

01:22:39

But I appreciate the man's question completely. Well, thanks for the excellent question.

01:22:46

And you just said something that I'd like your clarification on. You said that we can't be close to these people.

01:22:53

But what if it's your spouse? There are people who have come to Christ after they were already married and their spouse may still have these horrific views in favor of child murder.

01:23:06

It could be your child, your adult child. It could be a sibling. It could be one of your parents.

01:23:12

How do you not have a close relationship with them? Well, you can love them and your heart can break for them.

01:23:20

But there will never be the unity and the oneness and the sense of oneness between you and that person as long as there's that elephant in the room.

01:23:33

And many times that happens. That's not an exception. There are times in which a husband and a wife are torn between each other because one believes in abortion and the other does not.

01:23:49

And many times that marriage doesn't last. But still by your life,

01:23:56

I'll give you an example, by your life and testimony, still try to convert the woman you love or the man you love.

01:24:04

I had a man come to me one time who was an officer in the

01:24:12

Navy. And I'd never met him before, but he came to church and he said,

01:24:19

Mr. Moorcraft, you don't know me but about six years ago I heard some of your sermons on sermonaudio .com

01:24:29

and God saved me. And he said, I'm growing as a Christian. But my wife, whom

01:24:36

I dearly love, is a witch. And my heart breaks for her. A real witch. And I'm not going to stop witnessing to her until she walks away.

01:24:48

So the next time I saw him, he was rejoicing that his wife was a Christian. You know, there were a lot of cases like that in the early church.

01:24:57

Only two grounds for divorce are adultery and irremedial abandonment. Just because your spouse is not a

01:25:05

Christian and believes many of the pagan thoughts of our culture does not mean that you can walk away from her.

01:25:12

There were a lot of situations like that in the early church when people would hear the apostles preach.

01:25:19

One spouse would be converted and the other wouldn't be converted at that same time.

01:25:25

So there are exceptions. There's no exception to the fact that you must love your enemy.

01:25:33

And what that means is that you must always treat your enemy in terms of the law of God.

01:25:39

But Jesus said also you must love your enemy. You must seek to change their mind if their thoughts and their ideas are destructive to the kingdom of God.

01:25:51

And if it's your spouse, every day of your life you pray for him or her. And every day of your life you love her and every day of your life you pray that through your testimony and through your life he or she would come to know

01:26:07

Christ. Or your child, the same with your child. Okay, we have a listener

01:26:14

Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island who says as Calvinists we know that God is in total sovereign control over all things that take place including the election of evil, wicked, and monstrous people.

01:26:34

After election day when we are watching with bated breath to see who has won these elections on the television how are we as Calvinist Christians to encourage fellow believers if one after another, unlike what we may be thinking will happen the evil are continually over and over again being elected into office and those that share with us biblical values are crushed.

01:27:10

How do we encourage them using the sovereignty of God in such cases?

01:27:16

He explained that very thing to them that God puts men in office and God removes them from office.

01:27:23

And Isaiah 3 says that sometimes God puts evil rulers in office to discipline his church as being unfaithful to him.

01:27:31

Isaiah 3. So you tell them, I'm sorry the good guys didn't win if they didn't.

01:27:40

And I'm sad the good guys didn't win. That means as far as I'm concerned that we don't have any more breathing room.

01:27:48

It means it appears to me to mean that things are going to get more oppressive for the Christian.

01:27:53

It's not going to affect the way I witness. It's not going to affect whether or not I witness.

01:27:59

I'm not going to grieve as those who have no hope. God is sovereign. And I'm thankful if the good guys win.

01:28:06

I'm thankful they won if the bad guys win. I'm sorry they did because that means there's going to be more persecution and more oppression for the children of God.

01:28:19

But the seed of the martyrs the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church. So what these enemies of Christ have not yet learned is the more they persecute us the more they try to shut us up the more they try to mistreat us the more they shed our blood the more that blood affects the lives of other people.

01:28:46

There was an evangelist in Romania by the name of I can't think of it right now an evangelist during the

01:28:56

Soviet Empire and he had a very effective evangelistic ministry and the communists came to him and arrested him and said we're going to kill you.

01:29:12

And the evangelist said well that's okay as long as you understand the situation.

01:29:19

Killing me is the worst thing you can do. Killing me is the best thing that's going to happen for the church in Romania because they're going to see my martyrdom and my papers and my sermons and my tapes are going to be baptized in my own blood and there's going to be a greater spread of the gospel with me dead at your hands than there is with me living.

01:29:47

And they didn't kill him. So I think things,

01:29:52

I'm not a prophet I could be dead wrong. I think if the Democrats continue to control the federal government of the

01:30:02

United States we're in for a time, a period of real darkness and oppression that will not affect me, my faith, my hope in the future, my confidence that God is faithful because God is sovereign.

01:30:24

And if he brings the Republicans in it's because he wants me to have more time to witness and to preach and to testify.

01:30:32

If he brings the Democrats in it's because he wants me to witness and testify more zealously regardless of the persecution.

01:30:41

So that's the way I think. Well thank you. And I'm going to go to our final break right now just so I don't interrupt you mid -sentence.

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And Dr. Moorcraft, what do you think is the largest reason, before I go to any of our listener questions,

01:45:52

I just have to know this from your vast knowledge of the Scripture, what is the key reason that you believe that professing

01:46:04

Christians in America are seemingly so ignorant about the freedom to vote that they have been blessed with by God himself, and misuse or squander these opportunities?

01:46:20

What do you think that the largest reason is that a professing Christian does this? Ignorance, fear, or sin.

01:46:29

The regular Christian is not perfect. He can be intimidated by this culture rather than standing firm against it.

01:46:41

He can be ignorant of what the real issues are and thereby make mistakes because he's not in the church where the gospel is preached, and he is a sinner.

01:46:54

And so I don't think there's any one reason. I think there's several reasons.

01:47:00

And I think also, speaking of fear, I say this to your whole audience, don't be afraid of persecution.

01:47:13

I don't say that lightly. Don't be afraid of causing offense.

01:47:22

As long as you're not being persecuted because of sin in your own life, or as long as you're not causing offense because of sin in your own life, don't be afraid.

01:47:35

Blessed are you, if sin shall revile you and persecute you.

01:47:41

Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for so persecuted they that were the prophets.

01:47:47

Amen. We have an anonymous listener who has a very serious question.

01:47:56

Abortion is an issue that radically divides my own household.

01:48:04

My own bride believes in abortion. I married this dear but misguided woman before we were married.

01:48:13

Before we were Christians, I'm sorry. And now that we, that I am saved, we are in a constant disagreement over these political issues.

01:48:27

How does a husband fulfill the role of being a leader in the home when he allows his wife to vote as she pleases, even when it involves sinister and horrifically satanic things such as abortion?

01:48:46

Well, my heart bleeds for you. And my answer to this is that God can change the heart.

01:48:55

That's the one thing you'd never give up on. That God can move the heart as easy as He can move the channel of a river in whatever direction

01:49:06

He pleases. He can save the most hardened of sinners and the most blatant of sinners.

01:49:15

You can't, you can't change your heart. You can't reach down that deep as much as you'd like to.

01:49:23

But God can. So my advice to you is twofold. Pray, pray, pray.

01:49:31

Talk to God about your wife more than you talk to your wife. And talk to her a lot.

01:49:39

Wow, that's a great line. Did you just make that up? Yeah, I just thought of that. Wow, that's, that's great.

01:49:45

I got to remember that. And secondly, go to Ephesians 5 and you be everything a husband should be to her.

01:49:55

You live before her and serve her and love her as Christ loved the church.

01:50:03

And don't harp on her. Don't continue to get after her.

01:50:10

She knows what you think. Pray that she'll ask you questions. Go to a great church.

01:50:18

Go to a church where the gospel is preached and the whole counsel of God is preached. You're going to get nowhere without that.

01:50:25

But pray for her and also be a Christ -like husband before her and pray that God would change her heart.

01:50:37

Amen. And I sensed that a part of the anonymous listener's question had to do with, is a husband, a biblically faithful husband who is head of his home supposed to somehow control how his unbelieving wife votes?

01:50:58

Is that an overstep, overreach of one's role as head of the household?

01:51:05

Obviously, politically in America, it is a woman's legal right to vote any way she chooses.

01:51:13

And if she's an unbeliever, she may not be submissive to her husband anyway. I mean, he should encourage her.

01:51:20

There's no way he can control her. Encourage her.

01:51:27

And if she loves him at all, plead with her not to vote

01:51:32

Democrat. But then you can't go any farther.

01:51:39

You can't be an oppressive dictator. Or somebody said one time, you cannot be your

01:51:45

Holy Spirit. Yeah, that's great. So you can't make her do something, but you can do everything you can to encourage her.

01:51:57

Now, how about a Christian parent whose 18 -year -olds who can legally vote live under the roof of that parent, or parents,

01:52:08

Christian parents? Can they say, if you are going to live underneath my roof, you are not going to vote for Democrats?

01:52:19

Can a Christian do that? It all depends. Or should

01:52:24

I say, should a Christian do that? It all depends on how severe the rebellion of the child is.

01:52:33

How would encourage him, plead with him, cry with him, do everything he can.

01:52:41

But it would only have to be, in my opinion, the rarest of cases where you'd say, if you vote

01:52:49

Democrat, you're out of this house. Because there's other things in his life that he could say the same thing about.

01:52:56

I would love him. I would tell him that he's sorry the way he thinks. I would cry out to God for forgiveness for not being able to convince him.

01:53:06

But it would only be in the rarest of occasions. Now, I've told fathers to do it before.

01:53:15

I've told fathers to tell their child. For instance, I'm thinking of one young woman who was sleeping with this guy, and I told the father to tell her if she didn't quit sleeping with him, she'd have to leave the house.

01:53:27

So there are occasions when you say that. But it would have to mean that the child was extremely rebellious.

01:53:36

Before I would go that far, I would just teach him and encourage him. Ask yourself the question, why does he believe these things?

01:53:46

How come I haven't been able to teach him? Because if he doesn't, if he believes in abortion, and he's lived under your roof in your presence for 18 years, he's not the only one that's sinned.

01:54:02

Well, I'd like you for a few minutes to describe a book that you've written many years ago, but it's still in print.

01:54:09

A book that may be helpful with this whole conversation as people leave the live program.

01:54:17

It is, With Liberty and Justice for All, Christian Politics Made Simple. Why don't you tell our listeners about that?

01:54:23

That's a very short book. It has about a little under 200 pages. It's a paperback.

01:54:28

It's gone through I don't know how many editions. And most of it is basically a modern application of Romans 13 to the present situation and how a

01:54:42

Christian is to think and act as a Christian when it comes to politics.

01:54:48

And then there are other chapters. There's one chapter on racism. There's another chapter on voting.

01:54:57

And it is a readable book. It's a short book. God has used it many ways.

01:55:06

And you can get it, a paperback or Kindle at comprehensivechristianity .com.

01:55:16

comprehensivechristianity .com. Well, I'd like you now to conclude with a couple of minutes of summary over what you believe are the most important things that our listeners should walk away with that you want etched in their hearts and minds.

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Well, I think there's even an issue that's more important than the abortion that Americans saved and lost are guilty of.

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And until that's fixed, nothing else is going to be fixed. And that is the sin of not recognizing the absolute comprehensive

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Lordship of Christ over every area of life. As long as we're not committed to that, without flinching, and live in obedience to its implications, there's no hope for America.

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So that's the most important thing. Val Chuck, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is

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Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you shall be saved.

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So don't be afraid publicly. When you go to a restaurant, and you have your family there at the table, pray.

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Lead them in prayer, even if people think you're showing off, lead them in prayer. My wife and I have what we call for facetiously, a restaurant ministry.

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When we go out to eat, we've committed that if anybody gets within arm length of us, we're going to tell them something that's true.

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Waitress, another customer, we're going to tell them something that's true. We may not be able to tell them the whole gospel, but we're going to tell them something that is true, with the prayer that somebody else will build on that.

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So we must stand publicly in restaurants, in the town square, in politics.

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We have some young men in our church, I told you about one, Nathaniel Dinell, who is very influential in the

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Republican Party. And they're overt Christians, Calvinists. And they're not afraid to let people know it.

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And they're whenever they have devotions at any kind of assembly meetings, they get me to come and preach, not just to give a political speech, but to preach.

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They're not afraid to stand for Christ, people hate them for it. I just had a telephone call today where somebody was really criticizing this man.

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We're standing firm in the Republican Party. So when you are involved yourselves in politics, tell people what your real goal is.

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Your real goal is not getting conservatives elected to political places. Your real goal is to put men in office and have citizens that vote for them, that believe that Jesus Christ is the

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King of kings and Lord of lords, and that no law shall be passed in these states contrary to the revealed will of God in Holy Scripture.

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Tell them that's what you believe. That will separate the men from the boys, the women from the girls.

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Amen. Well, we're out of time. I want to repeat the website where you can purchase Joe's book,

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With Liberty and Justice for All, Christian Politics Made Simple, and also a host of other printed publications that Joe has written.

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It is comprehensivechristianity .com, comprehensivechristianity .com.

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Also the website for Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia is heritagepresbyterianchurch .com,

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heritagepresbyterianchurch .com. Thank you so much Dr. Morfergraf for living up and surpassing my expectations, for being such a superb guest today.

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I want to thank everybody who listened, especially those who took the time to write. I want to remind you to go out and vote if you haven't already, and prayerfully vote, and please do not vote for anyone that is in support of child murder, and in support of same -sex marriage, and all these other abominations.

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And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater