Babies Saved! Be Apart of The Mission! EAN Live Special

Hi, I'm Pastor Jeff Durbin with End Abortion Now. You can get more at endabortionnow .com. I want to start this by giving you my greatest thanks for all that you have done over the years by standing with us prayerfully and financially.

Because you have participated with us in this ministry, countless thousands of lives have been saved.

We've been able to, at End Abortion Now, raise up churches globally to go out and to save lives at the abortion mills.

We've been able to do this because of your giving, absolutely for free, with no cost, to all these churches.

About a thousand churches have been raised up who are out saving lives. We've been able to start this movement in Northern Ireland, the

Republic of Ireland, and now in Germany. So I wanted to thank you. These thousands of lives that have been saved have been saved because we've worked together as the church to bring the gospel to where they are actually taking lives.

Through your partnership with us in this ministry, we've been able to educate Christians globally as to what the real issues are.

Now, because Christians have gotten involved in this with faithfulness, dozens of bills of abolition have been presented across the country.

We're getting so close. Next session, we have more bills of abolition coming in across many states in this union.

And so please be in prayer for that. Countless lives saved and bills of abolition happening across the country.

Will you stand with us again in 2025? We need your support more than ever. Not only do we have more churches to raise up to save lives, not only do we have more work to do to educate and equip the

Christian church across this nation, and not only do we have all these bills of abolition happening across the country, but we have to face now what

I think is the worst of all, and that is these ballot measures happening across the country. The ballot measures and propositions that would update the constitutions, the state constitutions that would allow abortion from fertilization through nine months.

You heard that right. In many ways, we are about to face the bloodiest and most brutal part of this

Holocaust we have seen yet. Go to endabortionnow .com. Go to get your church signed up to get the free training, the free resources to be a part of saving even more lives outside those abortion mills.

And please give at endabortionnow .com. Help us to meet our budget goal. Help us to match these large donations, get to our budget goal, establish justice, and then close up shop.

Never do this again. We are not trying to create an industry at endabortionnow .com. We are trying to establish justice and to walk away from this.

Help us to meet our goal. We are facing an enemy that has tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars that we have to overcome.

Help us to overcome this injustice. Help us to meet this financial goal. 2025,

I think, is going to be in many ways our toughest year yet, but also the year where we are closest.

I am confident that God is going to establish justice very soon in one of these states.

Help us to get there. Endabortionnow .com is where you go. That's where you can give, and I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving and being a part of this ministry with us.

I am very, very lucky. They slept great through the night, great through the day.

Well eaters. I have no complaints. He loves to be cuddled and held.

Barely ever cries. I feel like I was blessed, and because I made a really positive and good decision, that God blessed me with a really good baby.

My name is Devine, and then this little guy right here is Oliver, and he is seven months old.

Initially what took me out to the abortion clinic was with my last pregnancy. I was diagnosed with hypermesis gravidarum, and that is just like excessive throwing up and being really, really, really sick while you're pregnant, and it put me out of work, and we were already struggling and trying to recover with our finances, so it was really probably money issues,

I would say. What I remember when I pulled in that day was there were a whole bunch of people standing at the road protesting, and I felt very overwhelmed and uncomfortable, because I did already have a daughter, and I also was adapted, so I knew every option and other road that I could possibly take on, and when

I saw them, I also felt like a sense of relief when I got there, too. That day

I was experiencing a lot of over emotions, and I was overwhelmed, stressed, and I just didn't really know which way to turn.

Probably also a little numb, I want to say, just because I didn't fully believe in that decision, having an abortion, so I was conflicted, and when

I went there that day, I already knew that I didn't really want to go through with having the abortion, and so when

I got out of my car, I did go into the office, but it told me that you needed to do walk -in appointments only, and when

I got there, they said they told me you needed to call and make an appointment, so they actually had no walk -ins available, and it was about an hour drive from my house, so I would have to go home and find another way to come back.

So it felt, in a way, like it wasn't something that I was supposed to do, and then as I was pulling away, they came up to my car window, because there was a lot of traffic, and asked me to roll my window down, and I did, and then we had a nice conversation about why

I felt the way I did about having an abortion, and where in life, and what it was

I was struggling with. They ended up giving me money that day on the spot for groceries, because we were short on rent and stuff, because I was already getting sick, and I was only like eight weeks pregnant, and they helped me out that week with groceries, and then they also gave me their phone number, and told me that I should call them, and get in touch with them, and so it was more me being adopted, and just talking about the other routes that I could take, that really led me to be like, hey, someone else saved me, and showed me a route of love, that I know, no matter the struggle, and mine was only with money, that I could still keep my son.

It's hard to imagine if the church wasn't there that day, because I don't know what the outcome would have actually been.

I don't know if I would have gone through it with how bad we are struggling, but ultimately,

I would have come to the decision, I think, that I would have kept him anyway, but the way my life is going right now, with work, and family, and still living in this state, and having full custody of my kids, turned out beneficial, because if it would have went any other way, he wouldn't be here, or I wouldn't be blessed with the job opportunities, and everything that has come my way, since I was able to keep him.

I could not honestly imagine life without Oliver. He is perfect. He resembles a lot of his sister.

They both took on the date the 12th of the year, so he didn't want her to be the only star in my life, and then he copied her with the helmet.

He's moving and growing so much, and then I get to see him, and work with him every single day, so I couldn't imagine life any other way.

He is actually the first boy in my family, on my side, from my grandparents, so my dad is thrilled.

He now has a fishing buddy, and everybody else just loves him.

Everybody's squishy. What I would say to a mom who is leaning towards getting an abortion, is to personally wait, and to look into resources in your community, in your churches, that can offer you some help, no matter what the issue is, whether it's not being with the father anymore, being young, that you have to tell your parents, or your grandparents, or your guardian, whether in and out of trouble, alcohol issues, whatever it is, your kids love you from the moment they are made inside of you, and you can feel that love before you even take a test, and everything through them is brand new, and it just reminds you of all the little things in life, whether you didn't have a family growing up, your parents weren't around,

I was adopted growing up, my birth parents were in and out of jail, but there's nothing more empowering than overcoming your struggles, and making a change, and we can't make a change without actually stopping the wrongs, and doing what's right, and what's right is saving lives, and making a positive, impactful change amongst them and yourselves.

My name is Kenya, I'm 23 years old, and I have two twins, Malik and Jabril.

I grew up in California, kind of part of my life story, brought back out here to Arizona at a young age, went through high school, then, you know, have my kids, got my four kids, nothing special.

But I would say the initial circumstance that really made me want to go to an abortion clinic is, I found out that I was pregnant, and it sucks because I just found out that the dad's going to prison in a couple months, you know, prior to me finding out that I was pregnant, so that was one thing that made me want to do something like that, because why am

I gonna do this for X amount of whatever length of time, and do it alone?

Not only am I struggling with my two kids, just got fired from my job, too, haven't graduated high school, and then

I go to my first appointment, and then they're like, there's two of them, so I was like, wow, and I was on birth control with both of them, too, so that doesn't always work, obviously, clearly, and so I ended up going to this abortion clinic, and they did a consultation and everything, and they told, it was funny, because they're the ones who told me that my pregnancy wasn't viable, actually.

It was a really sad day for me, because then, again, they told me that it wasn't, there was, it wasn't really viable, and they're like, so, and within their same questions, they're like, pushing on with this, do you really want to do this, or how can we accept payment, and when are we scheduling it for, and not, how do you feel about this, or do you have questions about what's going on, and then, yeah, so I just,

I was there that day, and then I remember, I walked outside, and there was these pro -life people outside, and then they took me back to their little, little camper van thingy, and then we did an ultrasound, and then that's when

I found out I was having twins, so that's what was crazy. I didn't even tell nobody at that point, it's just me who knows that, so I found, it was like a roller coaster,

I found out a bunch, like the abortion clinic says this might not be a viable pregnancy, to finding out that it was twins, so it was, it was a lot.

He, my baby daddy, he turned himself into jail 10 days before I went into preterm labor, and so I really do blame stress, and depression on me going into labor early with twins, because I just had a baby about, like, like, literally a year ago at that point, almost, after he turned himself into jail, my son ended up having a seizure,

I had to take him to the hospital, my job at the time terminated me at that point, and then I ended up, a couple days later,

I went into preterm labor when I was by myself in the dark, and thank

God I called 9 -1 -1 in time, because the babies were, both of the babies weren't more breathing, so I feel like if I would have had them at home, or just prolonged something, something worse would have maybe happened, they had an extended

NICU stay, baby A was in there for 60 days, and baby B was in there for 50 days.

Pastor Zach and everyone else at the church, they, they were there for me, asking me, again, how, if I need anything, they would bring the baby's gifts in the hospitals, like little blankets and stuff like that.

They were still there for me, and my other two children as well, as the two twins in the hospital.

They were in contact with another pro -life organization, helping me get things, like set up a baby registry for me.

I got a lot of stuff, you know, like, for the twins, and again, my other two kids, and I don't have very much family support out here.

Their dad is in jail already, so they were, they were there as much as they could be, you know, checking in on me again, giving me, like, things that I needed from all my kids, offering to come visit me in the hospital, because I know how sad and depressed

I was at the time, and just always being there, open ear, checking in, seeing how my son was doing after this episode.

What did you see that caused the change of heart? There was two of them.

I mean, even if there was one of them, I was still having doubts, like, is this something that I want to do? Because it's a permanent decision.

Um, I think that gave me a little bit of change of heart, you know, two, that's crazy.

But, because I know I had other kids, and not even the fact, it's not even the fact that I had two other kids, or any kids at all.

It's still something that's been a lot, that's alive, you know, and something that I would have, like, you know,

I would have murdered, basically. You know, it makes me want to cry, because I love them so much, but, um, yeah.

Um, it could have, you know, like, they could have been gone right now, or they wouldn't be a thing.

I just love them so much now. They wouldn't be here if I actually did that.

And it's just like, how could I think, why would I want to do that? My name is

Marchelle, and this is Anthony. I grew up on a farm, um, on 35th and Baseline.

I don't know if you know where that's at, but my grandpa was actually my dad. He, uh, supplied everything.

My mom was, she was pretty strict on us, all of us. Uh, I have five other siblings.

I'm the youngest, and it was, I would say it was pretty hard, like, they were really hard on us.

When I found out I was pregnant, I didn't, I was already five months. I wasn't showing.

Um, I had just went in for a checkup, and the lady came back, she's like, you're pregnant, and I was like, oh no.

By that time, he had arms and legs and a heartbeat, so I just, I just needed, um, some kind of support, because I wasn't getting that at home.

My mom just kept saying, like, you can't do it, don't do it. But just taking on that responsibility, being so young, she just didn't think that I had all the necessary tools that I needed to have him.

I didn't know too much about dad. It was like a one -time thing.

But once I reached out to him and let him know, like, hey, I went to get a checkup, and they actually told me that I was pregnant.

Um, he also wanted to do abortion as well, because he already has four daughters, and he's living with his mom, has no means to be on his own.

At first I was with him, I was like, yeah, you know what, you're right. I can't do it, you can't do it. Let's just go, uh, the abortion route.

But I was full of emotions. I, it was, my hormones was going crazy, and it was just, um, it was, it was emotional.

Sometimes I cried, like, what am I gonna do? Like, it was, it was a lot.

I had got in contact with a youth pastor that, um, he was really involved with us growing up as well.

I reached out to him for advice, and, uh, he ended up getting me in contact with Zach. And the first meet, meeting we had,

Zach, um, he pretty much told me, like, he gave me the confidence that I needed.

He's like, you can do this, like, we, I don't think that, that's the way you should go about it.

Um, you're young, this is your first one, um, give it a try. And I would say that that was the best decision that I've pretty much ever made, because this is, like, my best friend now.

Like, he, he, uh, keeps me, he keeps me on my toes, though. He does.

I would say they pretty much saved me. Saved him, too. Just the thought of, like, having an abortion, it was like I was killing something that's already been developed, growing.

Um, and that kind of hit home real hard. Like, it hurt to think that I created something, not intentionally.

But I would say Zach, like, he really opened my mind up, like, this isn't right.

You, there's other options for you. There's help out here. There's resources and things like that out here to help you, where I don't have to choose that route of having an abortion.

The church alone was half of my support. They got the bed, the crib, the diapers, the wipes, the clothes, the car seat, the stroller, they provided everything.

And also, they had Amazon packages delivered, and in those packages, there were also notes that came in them.

Um, a lot of them had, gave me good advice and scriptures from the

Bible as well. I actually still have them in a box, but, um, they've, they've helped me a lot with him, just giving support and everything, just everything.

I probably wouldn't be the same if I chose a different route.

I probably would not. I probably, it's like he's, he saved me from doing what

I would normally do. Like, I can't go out, I can't go partying anymore.

I can't just, now all my time goes to him, and I'm trying to raise him to like, become something.

And to me, that's, that's worth it all. Hi, I'm Pastor Jeff Durbin with End Abortion Now.

You can get more at endabortionnow .com. I want to start this by giving you my greatest thanks for all that you have done over the years by standing with us prayerfully and financially.

Because you have participated with us in this ministry, countless thousands of lives have been saved.

We've been able to, at End Abortion Now, raise up churches globally to go out and to save lives at the abortion mills.

We've been able to do this because of your giving, absolutely for free, with no cost, to all these churches.

About a thousand churches have been raised up who are out saving lives. We've been able to start this movement in Northern Ireland, the

Republic of Ireland, and now in Germany. So I wanted to thank you. These thousands of lives that have been saved have been saved because we've worked together as to bring the gospel to where they are actually taking lives.

Through your partnership with us in this ministry, we've been able to educate Christians globally as to what the real issues are.

Now, because Christians have gotten involved in this with faithfulness, dozens of bills of abolition have been presented across the country.

We're getting so close. Next session, we have more bills of abolition coming in across many states in this union.

And so please be in prayer for that. Countless lives saved and bills of abolition happening across the country.

Will you stand with us again in 2025? We need your support more than ever. Not only do we have more churches to raise up to save lives, not only do we have more work to do to educate and equip the

Christian church across this nation, and not only do we have all these bills of abolition happening across the country, but we have to face now what

I think is the worst of all. And that is these ballot measures happening across the country. The ballot measures and propositions that would update the constitutions, the state constitutions that would allow abortion from fertilization through nine months.

You heard that right. In many ways, we are about to face the bloodiest and most brutal part of this

Holocaust we have seen yet. Go to endabortionnow .com. Go to get your church signed up to get the free training, the free resources to be a part of saving even more lives outside those abortion mills.

And please give at endabortionnow .com. Help us to meet our budget goal. Help us to match these large donations, get to our budget goal, establish justice, and then close up shop.

Never do this again. We are not trying to create an industry at End Abortion Now. We are trying to establish justice and to walk away from this.

Help us to meet our goal. We are facing an enemy that has tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars that we have to overcome.

Help us to overcome this injustice. Help us to meet this financial goal. 2025,

I think, is going to be, in many ways, our toughest year yet, but also the year where we are closest.

I am confident that God is going to establish justice very soon in one of these states.

Help us to get there. Endabortionnow .com is where you go. That's where you can give. And I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving and being a part of this ministry with us.

Don't run for the worth of life. You're running for the worth of life. You're going to the door of death, ma 'am. This is the door of death, ma 'am.

This is the door of death. Come to life. We can take you to a place that will show life in your life.

You're not dead. This will show death in your life, ma 'am. The Bible says, have mercy on this baby and have mercy on your soul.

Hey, ma 'am, you want a water? Can we talk? Can we talk? Yeah? We can talk?

All right. I appreciate that. This is my wife. So you have an option.

You can talk to a male or a female or both. Both? What will bring you to this place, ma 'am?

Because I got a four -month -old baby, and right now I just can't deal with another one. So it's based on your circumstance, right?

Okay. So you have one baby? Oh, yeah. Well, I understand that.

We're not saying that raising kids is puppies and pancakes. It's definitely a responsibility. But the child is here and presented as a gift to you.

I just don't think you have the eyes to see it that way. You see your other child as a gift, right? What's that child's name?

Liam? I know it's hard, ma 'am, but you know what? We love you and we care about you, and we want to walk through this with you.

That baby's here? The baby's here, and doing this is like, it's unnatural.

In this world, it says go ahead and do it, but you know it's wrong. So we want to scoop you up and point you to right, because think about this.

We live in God's world, right? We live in God's world. So He makes the rules, and He says that all children are a gift, and He gives them, and some of these gifts test our hearts.

Yes, they will. He's showing you what's inside you right now, what you're capable of. Now His answer is to trust

Him, to repent, turn away. Repentance, it's a Christianese word, right? But what it means is it's going to have a result of you turning away from doing darkness and turning to God who is light.

So we want to swoop you up and point you and care for you. I'm speaking about your family today.

The one that's outside of the womb, you say you have needs. We all have needs, and I'm not to make anything light of that.

Today, usually there's only a few ministers out here, me and my brother. Right now, we have a national organization here that's fully funded by churches, and we want to save your child.

We want you to unwrap that gift that God has given you, right? And I guarantee you

I've never spoken to a woman who's changed her mind, and many have, who have regretted changing their mind.

In fact, one of them comes out Saturday, and she serves with her baby in her hand, and she made three attempts here on that child's life, but God, each time, arrested her.

Arrested her desire to murder her baby. That's what it is, right? You know it is, and we're not going to play games with you.

We want to help you to see that and trust in Him. You have a soft heart right now, but I want you to have a soft heart for God.

God is a rich provider. He provides to provide to those people. He provides through strangers. He'll move people's hearts to come alongside you.

What seems impossible, God will make a way, and He'll make it so that you know that it's from Him.

So your heart and mine are being tested, and I know that this is hard because you're being tempted by the world. See, the issue here, what's your name?

Shaniqua. Shaniqua? That's pretty. The issue here is not what's in your wallet or how many apartment rooms you have.

It's what's in your heart, and God's got to deal with you first. The center, the main issue is your heart.

Heal that heart. Make you be born again, and then you'll have affections to do what is right, and when you're in that circle of obedience, you'll see

God. He'll open your eyes. Oh, God provided for me. God provided me. It doesn't come all at once, but when

I came to Christ, it came pretty frequently. You know, being obedient to God is an outward expression of what you believe.

I believe God can save you. I believe that God can make things right. I believe that God is a faithful God who's faithful in His promises, and I'm here just to bear light to that, and to swoop

Shaniqua off and say, come away from the devil's house because he comes to steal, kill, and destroy, lock you into guilt and shame, leave you there.

He's not for you. He's against you, but God, He's the one who provides for us ultimately.

Trust in Him. Turn away today. Well, I'm Jeff, and the sign says men are responsible for 100 % of unwanted pregnancies.

We can't contract a solo. Stop punishing women for it. Okay, so that's a very different sign than we've seen mostly today.

Why would you come up with this sign? Well, it seems that these laws will directly affect women and our well -being, our futures, and our health care, and there's no accountability for men in this, when in fact it does take two to tango, you would say, but it's not that women trip and fall and we become pregnant.

I didn't get pregnant because I forgot to wash my hands. There's always a man. A man is where the interaction starts.

It doesn't just happen on a solo, yet we are the ones who suffer at the hands of these laws, so I just wanted to change or try to get people to think on the other side of this.

Right. There's many sides of it. Absolutely. No, I agree. I think my perspective, I would disagree with you on the issue of abortion, but I think that men need to also be accountable in the entire situation, so I thought that was a unique sign.

I was a little confused at the 100%, though. It would be more than 50 -50, right? Women and men sort of 50 -50 responsible?

Yes, so in the case of rape, you think that the victim is responsible? Well, no, in that case, is a tremendous violation.

It's an abomination, and in that case, yeah, she's the victim and he's the perpetrator. She's still thrown in jail or in Texas if the victim is still the one who's held accountable.

Yeah, I think those laws in both Mississippi and Texas are both erroneous.

I think they're fallacious. I think that they show partiality because they basically say, you can kill all the humans that are 15 weeks and below, but you can't kill the ones that are 15 weeks and higher, so I would say

I'm not supportive of those. I think they're inconsistent, but I believe that the rapist deserves to die.

You believe the child deserves to die, correct? No, I believe that the woman should have autonomy over her life and her decisions, whether it's in the case of rape or otherwise.

You're putting more value on the unborn sack of cells than the living, breathing, taxpaying woman.

But you're a sack of cells yourself, though, correct? Yeah, that's what typically happens.

No legs on their position. As soon as it's remotely challenged, they walk away, and there you go.

Ma 'am, are you only for abortion in the case of ectopic pregnancy?

No, I don't want you to say that. I'm for abortion rights for every woman.

So you were saying it was about ectopic pregnancies, but really it's for abortion.

I'm trying to clarify what you're saying because you were talking to me and having a pretty normal conversation until you just shut down.

So I was just trying to understand your position better. So you said this is about ectopic pregnancies, and then you said no.

Because I said this is not about ectopic pregnancies, and you said yes, it is. It is about the government telling women what they can and can't do with their bodies, where it's my decision, it should be my decision, and my doctor's decision, and my family.

Any politician should have no say in that. Should the government be able to tell rapists what to do with their penises?

Hey, a quick way to solve it is to vasectomize every boy alive, and then when you want to have kids...

I don't think you answered the question. You said the government should stay off of your body, but don't you believe the government should tell rapists, men rapists, what they can do with their penises?

I think that the government should tell you, in your point, if the government tells me what to do with my body,

I think they should do the snip -snap on every guy. Where's the court here? Isn't the court this way?

Isn't the court over there telling people every day they're going to jail for what they did with their body to others? So the government can tell people what they can do with their body in terms of limitations.

Like, you can tell somebody you can't murder another human being. The government does tell people that, right?

Right. And so that's what we're saying here, is that what's in the womb is a human being. No, but it's health care.

So if I go over there to that gentleman and I dismember him, disembowel him, and decapitate him, and I say

I was caring for that man, wouldn't you refute that? No, you didn't care for that man.

You murdered that man. You called the disemboweling and decapitating of a baby in the womb health care.

You said it was health care. No, I said abortion is health care. Okay, so that's disemboweling, decapitating, dismembering a baby.

Now we're changing the subject. I'm speaking to the issue of, well, helping a life would be protecting the preservation of human life in the womb, so I'll answer that.

But I was saying you called it health care. Do you know what fetus means?

What's it mean? It's a Latin word that means baby.

It means baby. So you're using a euphemism for baby. So you can just say baby.

So are you. You're a group of cells. Do you have any children?

Are you married? Oh, I was just curious. Have I had an abortion? No. So if it was up to you when you were making the decision, so when are you comfortable?

It is up to me. When do you think it's okay for someone to have an abortion? Up until birth? I'm asking when you think, when is your limitation?

That would end human civilization. When is your limitation? Are you okay with up until birth? Are you 15 weeks?

Are you six weeks? What is your opinion? Even up until birth.

Is it up until birth? Okay, so a baby that can live completely on its own outside of the womb the day before their scheduled c -section, they're 40 weeks, you think the mom should be able to murder that child?

I don't think any woman would do that. It happens.

Oh, it happens? Yeah, it happens a lot. Did you sign the petition? All over the country. Did you sign the petition? Yeah, it happens all over the world.

Did you sign that petition? So you know the petition that you signed today actually argues for abortion up to birth.

Do you know that? Yeah, I'm down with it. So you said that nobody would choose that, women don't do that, but you signed a petition for it.

No, the petition you signed says abortion. I've studied the petition,

I've studied the background of it, and it says viability. That's your fictitious

God. That's an idol. Typical response. Hi, I'm Pastor Jeff Durbin with End Abortion Now.

You can get more at endabortionnow .com. I'm going to start this by giving you my greatest thanks for all that you have done over the years by standing with us prayerfully and financially.

Because you have participated with us in this ministry, countless thousands of lives have been saved.

We've been able to, at End Abortion Now, raise up churches globally to go out and to save lives at the abortion mills.

We've been able to do this because of your giving, absolutely for free, with no cost, to all these churches.

About a thousand churches have been raised up who are out saving lives. We've been able to start this movement in Northern Ireland, the

Republic of Ireland, and now in Germany. So I wanted to thank you. These thousands of lives that have been saved have been saved because we've worked together as the church to bring the gospel to where they are actually taking lives.

Through your partnership with us in this ministry, we've been able to educate Christians globally as to what the real issues are.

Now, because Christians have gotten involved in this with faithfulness, dozens of bills of abolition have been presented across the country.

We're getting so close. Next session, we have more bills of abolition coming in across many states in this union, and so please be in prayer for that.

Countless lives saved and bills of abolition happening across the country. Will you stand with us again in 2025?

We need your support more than ever. Not only do we have more churches to raise up to save lives, not only do we have more work to do to educate and equip the

Christian church across this nation, and not only do we have all these bills of abolition happening across the country, but we have to face now what

I think is the worst of all, and that is these ballot measures happening across the country. The ballot measures and propositions that would update the constitutions, the state constitutions, that would allow abortion from fertilization through nine months.

You heard that right. In many ways, we are about to face the bloodiest and most brutal part of this holocaust we have seen yet.

Go to endabortionnow .com. Go to get your church signed up to get the free training, the free resources to be a part of saving even more lives outside those abortion mills, and please give at endabortionnow .com.

Help us to meet our budget goal. Help us to match these large donations. Get to our budget goal, establish justice, and then close up shop.

Never do this again. We are not trying to create an industry at End Abortion Now. We are trying to establish justice and to walk away from this.

Help us to meet our goal. We are facing an enemy that has tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars that we have to overcome.

Help us to overcome this injustice. Help us to meet this financial goal. 2025,

I think, is going to be, in many ways, our toughest year yet, but also the year we are closest.

I am confident that God is going to establish justice very soon in one of these states.

Help us to get there. Endabortionnow .com is where you go. That's where you can give, and I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving and being a part of this ministry with us.

I've seen how abortion has saved a lot of women. I don't think I... It killed a lot of children though, right? But you know,

I've seen... What does it have to do? What does it have to do when you say do something? It exists. It's existing inside the womb.

No, it's not. What do you mean it's not? You have a right to your opinion. I don't want to go back... Are we just questioning her gender?

Let me give you some pushback on that. Okay. I'll listen to that. Okay. Wait, what about her makes you think she's not a woman?

Okay, so I think you're allowed to have an opinion.

Sorry, I'm laughing because of how your response to seeing this. I'm going to be honest.

I don't know if you're doing this like ironically or not. I think I'm going to end up on a

YouTube channel. But seriously though, you said it helped a lot of women, but it's also killed a lot of children.

Over 60 million in America. They're all dead now. Okay. I respect you.

I don't respect the opinion of like say plantation owners who engage in the slave trade. I respected them as humans, but I have no respect for their system that actually enslaved our black brothers and sisters.

I don't respect the position that says we can take the life of the most innocent and defenseless among us because we want it.

I think it comes down to a difference of opinion.

Truly. It always is though, right? I think you were right.

I agree with you and Austin did as well. You said it's a moral issue. You're right.

I agree with you there. So it's a different but it's about a moral question. Well, I think it's, yeah,

I think it's moral differences. I think if you think it's a murder, I could argue with you all day and we could go at it.

But I think at the end of the day, it depends what we consider as murder. Can I ask you what your opinion is on it?

What do you think is murder? Well, I think, you know, at the end of the day, I think murder, I think it's a harsh, because we could really say anything.

I think it's murder is such an intense word.

I think that it's kind of hypocritical. I understand when you say it's murder.

I think you're going, you went with a very accusatory word because I don't want to say you're trying to get a reaction, but it makes people look at your cause more to be like, this is murder.

Well, can I just say like this, maybe to show you that I'm not trying to manipulate the unjustified taking of human life, right?

So we have a human life. It's, there's no question biologically and biblically, it's a human life from fertilization.

That's indisputable. You and I can't overcome the evidence. You say, I think I would rather have it go down to biologically.

And I think if, so biologically it's human from fertilization. But I think if you were to take a human, like if it was a person, a child, like a infant, right?

And put it next to a fetus and try to say that their life is, if you had the opportunity to only save one of those people,

I think any of us would save the infant. Well, fetus is a Latin word that means baby. So you said infant and baby.

You just spoke Latin. But can I share something with you? Very personal. When you say, take an infant and put it next to something like in the womb, you would just choose to save this over that.

I just spent two, two and a half months basically in between two hospitals in a different state with my twin girls that were born,

I've adopted them, twin girls that were born premature at 29 weeks. So I sat there next to their incubator with tubes in them and everything else for two months while doctors worked around the clock to save and preserve their lives.

I don't think we should be able to murder them. But I think that they should have, I think they have a right to live. I'm not saying that they should die.

Did you sign the ballot measure? That ballots to put, whether or not you agree with abortion or disagree with abortion, why would you want to be able to vote?

Do you know what it said? Hi, I'm Pastor Jeff Durbin with End Abortion Now. You can get more at endabortionnow .com.

I want to start this by giving you my greatest thanks for all that you have done over the years by standing with us prayerfully and financially.

Because you have participated with us in this ministry, countless thousands of lives have been saved.

We've been able to, at End Abortion Now, raise up churches globally to go out and to save lives at the abortion mills.

We've been able to do this because of your giving absolutely for free with no cost to all these churches.

About a thousand churches have been raised up who are out saving lives. We've been able to start this movement in Northern Ireland, the

Republic of Ireland, and now in Germany. So I wanted to thank These thousands of lives that have been saved have been saved because we've worked together as the church to bring the gospel to where they are actually taking lives.

Through your partnership with us in this ministry, we've been able to educate Christians globally as to what the real issues are.

Now, because Christians have gotten involved in this with faithfulness, dozens of bills of abolition have been presented across the country.

We're getting so close. Next session, we have more bills of abolition coming in across many states in this union, and so please be in prayer for that.

Countless lives saved and bills of abolition happening across the country. Will you stand with us again in 2025?

We need your support more than ever. Not only do we have more churches to raise up to save lives, not only do we have more work to do to educate and equip the

Christian church across this nation, and not only do we have all these bills of abolition happening across the country, but we have to face now what

I think is the worst of all, and that is these ballot measures happening across the country. The ballot measures and propositions that would update the constitutions, the state constitutions that would allow abortion from fertilization through nine months.

You heard that right. In many ways, we are about to face the bloodiest and most brutal part of this holocaust we have seen yet.

Go to endabortionnow .com. Go to get your church signed up to get the free training, the free resources to be a part of saving even more lives outside those abortion mills, and please give at endabortionnow .com.

Help us to meet our budget goal. Help us to match these large donations, get to our budget goal, establish justice, and then close up shop.

Never do this again. We are not trying to create an industry at End Abortion Now. We are trying to establish justice and to walk away from this.

Help us to meet our goal. We are facing an enemy that has tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars that we have to overcome.

Help us to overcome this injustice. Help us to meet this financial goal. 2025,

I think, is going to be in many ways our toughest year yet, but also the year where we are closest.

I am confident that God is going to establish justice very soon in one of these states.

Help us to get there. endabortionnow .com is where you go. That's where you can give, and I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving and being a part of this ministry with us.

The ballot measure basically says that you could kill my daughters in Arizona. That's what it says.

It's not saying. It wouldn't be. You need to go look it up. Strike your name from it. I'm sorry, but I feel like you're misunderstanding.

I'm not saying that somebody should go and kill your daughters. Forgive me.

I think maybe I miscommunicated. My daughters are in the category of children. You can kill on the ballot measure.

The ballots about voting on whether or not you are supporting the ballot measure.

It's just giving a constitutional right to kill your child. The ballot measure is on the ballot.

If Arizona doesn't want to legalize abortion, that's we'll find out after the election.

I want you to know there's two things happening right now. One is that we have a bill going in to protect all humans from fertilization to abolish abortion.

You signed the measure that actually says if the child requires medical intervention and extraordinary medical means to preserve, you can kill that child, which means basically up to birth.

For example, my friend's baby was just born, basically a term, but had to spend a couple weeks with medical intervention to survive.

You could kill him too, according to that ballot in terms of he needed medical intervention.

I'm assuming somebody has carried a baby to death and wants a child. What makes you think that they would have them killed?

Wanting a child is what makes it valuable. I don't think it's wanting a child that makes it valuable.

I think you're worrying about the wrong kids.

I think that there are kids in the foster care system. How about what's happening in the Middle East? Have you done anything?

Are those kids dying? Because there are injustices over here, we should allow them over here?

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that you're wasting a lot of your resources saying that we should end abortion, right?

When is it considered abortion? Do you think it's somebody who takes care of them because that's abortion?

Do you think if that baby's a week old, that's abortion? I think you're drawing a bad parallel between something that's before, and I get it.

I'm not saying that people should abort babies. If somebody's nine months pregnant,

I'm not saying that. Why not? That's the ballot measure you signed. It is.

You should read the language. It defines it as if the baby will require this extraordinary medical attention, then you can kill it.

They define viability as it will require extraordinary medical intervention, which means NICU babies are up for grabs.

If you're going to be born at 32 weeks, that will require an incubator and medical intervention. You can kill that baby.

I'm having this conversation with you. I think you're misunderstanding. I'm trying to understand you.

I'm not going to change your opinion. Can I show you a picture of us? I have a younger sibling, too.

His name is August. His mom tried to kill him twice. We adopted him. Should she have killed him?

I have younger siblings. I have younger cousins. I have baby cousins.

I'm not trying to say that she should have killed that child. Should she have had the right to kill

August? Should she have had the right to have an abortion? To kill August. August was in her womb.

She tried to kill him twice. It was a Christian who stopped her. She was trying to abort him twice, is what you're trying to say.

Abortion is the unjustified taking of human life. That is your religious opinion.

It is the ending of human life. There's no question. You're religious, and I'm religious. There's no question.

Religion would have a view of an ultimate. It would have an ethical system. It would have sacrifice and offerings like you're doing here today.

My religion says that we shouldn't judge people. I have no intention of judging people. Should men be able to rape women?

You said your religion teaches you not to judge people. Should men be able to rape women? I am saying

I shouldn't judge people, and this morally... Well, can I ask you to answer that? Should men be able to rape women?

Of course not. Amen, right? So you do judge, don't you? Okay, let me reword this, right?

I don't judge people. LGBTQ, I would never judge anybody. When I'm saying

I'm not going to judge women for aborting kids, I'm not saying, oh, I would be co -murder.

I'm saying I would simply not judge because I wouldn't consider this murder. You believe it's permission.

Your judgment is that it's not murder, so they should be permitted. That's your judgment. Well, it's my opinion. That's where we can...

It's your judgment. You have a difference of opinion. I could go back and forth with you for hours about this, and I don't think it would get anywhere.

Let me ask you this way. How do you know anything that you know? How do you know anything?

The Word of God. God has spoken in history. We have certainty because God that created you and me has walked among us, and he's told us about himself.

I'm not a Christian. No, it's okay that you're not a Christian. It doesn't change the fact that Jesus is God, and he walked among us.

In my religion, Jesus is a prophet. In Scripture, where we know about Jesus, the only place that we know about Jesus, he called himself

God, and he said that if you don't believe that he's God, you'll die in your sins. He said he was the only way for salvation.

That's how we know about Jesus, from the Gospels. And what he said about himself is that if you don't turn to him in faith, or I don't, we will die in our sins.

And that's okay if that's your... That's what the text says. But you have to understand that you can't make a biblical argument to somebody who does it.

I think you have a right to believe in what you believe. I'm never going to tell you that God is or isn't real, but I simply...

At the end of the day, it's a belief. I don't hold the same belief as you. So, I think

I'm hearing you. You're saying, if I don't accept the authority, it doesn't apply to me. That's what you're saying.

Well, okay, I'm a Muslim. If I start... I could speak on... I could say duas.

Are you going to agree with me? Because I'm like, oh, well, Allah... I would love to have that conversation.

It's a different language. Well, can I ask? Can I... I mean this very humbly to you. The way that I would respond to you as a

Muslim would be with respect and love and point out to you that Muhammad came with the Quran hundreds of years after the time of Christ and the apostles, and he altered the message of the

Gospels and the Christian message. This is important because Muhammad acknowledges,

Allah says, that the books that came before were the words of God. But then

Muhammad comes later with a different message that contradicts those books. So, it's the word of God, but we don't believe what it says.

So, Islam collapses on its own premises. I think that when

I read the Quran and when I look at the teachings, I could talk to you why the

Quran is correct and how it makes them up. For example, the Quran talks about the big bang.

It predicts what's happening right now with Israel. But I go back and forth with this. At the end of the day, when it's a religious...

You're not going to change my religion. I respect you enough to listen to you. I respect your religious opinions, but I would never try to change them.

I think it's ignorant to try to change them. In Islam, and help me understand this, because I've talked to a lot of different Muslims who believe some different things.

There's some differences between Muslims. And I'm not criticizing it.

I'm saying I want to know what you believe. Don't you believe in Islam that Allah creates all human beings in the world?

Hi, I'm Pastor Jeff Durbin with End Abortion Now. You can get more at endabortionnow .com.

I want to start this by giving you my greatest thanks for all that you have done over the years by standing with us prayerfully and financially.

Because you have participated with us in this ministry, countless thousands of lives have been saved.

We've been able to, at End Abortion Now, raise up churches globally to go out and to save lives at the abortion mills.

We've been able to do this because of your giving absolutely for free, with no cost, to all these churches.

About a thousand churches have been raised up who are out saving lives. We've been able to start this movement in Northern Ireland, the

Republic of Ireland, and now in Germany. So I wanted to thank you. These thousands of lives that have been saved, have been saved because we've worked together as the church to bring the gospel to where they are actually taking lives.

Through your partnership with us in this ministry, we've been able to educate Christians globally as to what the real issues are.

Now, because Christians have gotten involved in this with faithfulness, dozens of bills of abolition have been presented across the country.

We're getting so close. Next session, we have more bills of abolition coming in across many states in this union.

And so please be in prayer for that. Countless lives saved and bills of abolition happening across the country.

Will you stand with us again in 2025? We need your support more than ever. Not only do we have more churches to raise up to save lives, not only do we have more work to do to educate and equip the

Christian church across this nation, and not only do we have all these bills of abolition happening across the country, but we have to face now what

I think is the worst of all. And that is these ballot measures happening across the country. The ballot measures and propositions that would update the constitutions, the state constitutions that would allow abortion from fertilization through nine months.

You heard that right. In many ways, we are about to face the bloodiest and most brutal part of this

Holocaust we have seen yet. Go to endabortionnow .com. Go to get your church signed up to get the free training, the free resources to be a part of saving even more lives outside those abortion mills.

And please give at endabortionnow .com. Help us to meet our budget goal. Help us to match these large donations.

Get to our budget goal, establish justice, and then close up shop. Never do this again.

We are not trying to create an industry at endabortionnow .com. We are trying to establish justice and to walk away from this. Help us to meet our goal.

We are facing an enemy that has tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars that we have to overcome.

Help us to overcome this injustice. Help us to meet this financial goal. 2025,

I think, is going to be, in many ways, our toughest year yet, but also the year where we are closest.

I am confident that God is going to establish justice very soon in one of these states.

Help us to get there. Endabortionnow .com is where you go. That's where you can give. And I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving and being a part of this ministry with us.

Don't you believe that Allah is the creator of life? I'm not allowed to have that. Well, he does create everything.

Right, and don't you believe, don't Muslims believe that we're created in the image of God? I, yes.

So what's in the womb is created by Allah in the image of God, and you're advocating to be able to kill it.

Well, you know, I, my aunt's a Muslim. She's a doctor. She believes in God. I also understand that these are not, you could choose how you want to interpret the

Bible. There are many people who interpret the Bible differently. If you want to beat it and take it out and face battle you, I think

I don't interpret the Quran like that. And there are many Muslims who are poor choice.

I'm not, just because they, I believe in protecting the autonomy of women.

Like there's so many women who die. You believe in bodily autonomy? I do. For who? Is life not valuable?

I'm not going to go back and forth with you. I feel like we're not getting anywhere. Not for the human in the womb though, right? I don't think we're getting anywhere.

That's the thing. Can you see this? And I don't mean this to get over on you. I think the reason you can't answer is because it's a reputation.

It's because, no, I think it's because at the end of the day, and I've said this before, it's coming, it's boiling down to a difference of what we consider, like,

I'm not saying, like, I personally, and I've seen, I don't know if it's you guys specifically, but I've seen,

I go to ASU campus. I've seen the posters. I've seen the, this is what you're killing. The graphic pictures and everything.

I see that, right. And you're allowed to have that opinion. Because at the end of the day, it just boils down to a difference of opinion.

So there's no truth. Everyone has their own truth. Well, everybody has their own philosophies.

So we can't know anything is true. Well, you know, a great philosopher once said,

I think therefore I am. How do you know anything's real? How do you know I'm real? How do you know he's real? That's a good question. That's why I was asking you, how do you know anything at all?

Because you're arguing from a position where you have no foundation. You're saying everyone's truth is their own truth.

So what if the rapist comes along and says, my truth is that it is a good, moral, happy thing to rape women.

I like it. That's his truth. But you know, the US government goes for their own truth and he would be prosecuted.

But the US government also used to say it was right to kidnap and enslave black people. Were they right?

So were they moral then? It was their truth at the time. It was what they believed at the time.

Was it good to enslave black people? Of course, it's my opinion that it's not good. But you know, there are a lot of people who still think it's okay. But they thought it was.

But that's, but it's my belief. There are a bunch of people who still believe that. Do you know what ended it? Do you know what ended it?

The Christian gospel and the Christian scriptures. It was Christian abolitionists with the Christian worldview that ended it. We ended it with the scriptures.

It was that black brother and sister is in the image of God. He was made by God. He is equal to me.

And they actually argued this, that in the Old Testament scriptures, to kidnap and enslave somebody was a death penalty.

Should I also, okay, the KKK is also a Christian organization. To what now? The KKK is a Christian organization.

How would we define the KKK as a Christian organization? They disagree with what the

Bible says. You know, it's so easy to try to, to try to give you credit for something just because, because if they identify themselves as a

Christian organization, even if you feel like they go against the Bible and that's not fair, that's still how they identify themselves.

Well, what if I said, what if I said I'm Muslim and I eat pork and I think

Mohammed, forgive me for saying this, but just to tell you, I think Mohammed was a pedophile. And I think the

Quran is not really true. But I'm Muslim. Would you say I'm Muslim? But am

I really a Muslim? But you know what? It's not my job to tell you whether or not you, it's you and your God at the end of the day.

If I tell you, I don't really believe the Quran is true and I'm Muslim. For example, you identify as a

Christian, you know, because I believe what the Bible says. When you look at the Bible, there are so many things like if it says you shouldn't eat pork, and how

Muslims interpret not getting tattoos is the same way. It says one should not harm oneself. Same thing is said in the

Bible. You have a tattoo. I might have very strict opinions. I might interpret the

Bible a different way and be like, I don't think you're a Christian. You have tattoos, you eat pork, you wear mixed linens.

I don't think you're a Christian. What I would do is I would take you to the Bible itself, like the passage in Leviticus you're referring to about tattoos was about cutting and marking your dead, your body for the dead.

It was ancestor worship out of context. The context of the tattoos passage was against cutting and marking your body for the dead.

It was ancestor worship. None of these were done as ancestor worship. If somebody was

Christian and they were like, oh, I never got a tattoo because I believe it touches on putting that.

I would say, let's go to the verse. It says cutting or marking your body for the dead.

Okay. How about with the, they say you can't mix? Yeah. The apostle Paul answers that in Ephesians chapter two.

Can I answer the question? In Ephesians chapter two, he answers it that now in Christ, because God has brought Jew and Gentile.

I don't tend to be educated on the Bible. Well, you brought it, you brought up a point. Jesus said,

Jesus said we can eat pork. Okay.

So can I ask you to answer this then? Hi, I'm Pastor Jeff Durbin with End Abortion Now. You can get more at endabortionnow .com.

I'm going to start this by giving you my greatest thanks for all that you have done over the years by standing with us prayerfully and financially, because you have participated with us in this ministry.

Countless thousands of lives have been saved. We've been able to, at End Abortion Now, raise up churches globally to go out and to save lives at the abortion mills.

We've been able to do this because of your giving absolutely for free with no cost to all these churches.

About a thousand churches have been raised up who are out saving lives. We've been able to start this movement in Northern Ireland, the

Republic of Ireland, and now in Germany. So I wanted to thank you. These thousands of lives that have been saved have been saved because we've worked together as the church to bring the gospel to where they are actually taking lives.

Through your partnership with us in this ministry, we've been able to educate Christians globally as to what the real issues are.

Now, because Christians have gotten involved in this with faithfulness, dozens of bills of abolition have been presented across the country.

We're getting so close. Next session, we have more bills of abolition coming in across many states in this union.

And so please be in prayer for that. Countless lives saved and bills of abolition happening across the country.

Will you stand with us again in 2025? We need your support more than ever. Not only do we have more churches to raise up to save lives, not only do we have more work to do to educate and equip the

Christian church across this nation, and not only do we have all these bills of abolition happening across the country, but we have to face now what

I think is the worst of all. And that is these ballot measures happening across the country. The ballot measures and propositions that would update the constitutions, the state constitutions that would allow abortion from fertilization through nine months.

You heard that right. In many ways, we are about to face the bloodiest and most brutal part of this

Holocaust we have seen yet. Go to endabortionnow .com. Go to get your church signed up to get the free training, the free resources to be a part of saving even more lives outside those abortion mills.

And please give at endabortionnow .com. Help us to meet our budget goal. Help us to match these large donations, get to our budget goal, establish justice, and then close up shop.

Never do this again. We are not trying to create an industry at End Abortion Now. We are trying to establish justice and to walk away from this.

Help us to meet our goal. We are facing an enemy that has tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars that we have to overcome.

Help us to overcome this injustice. Help us to meet this financial goal. 2025,

I think is going to be in many ways, our toughest year yet, but also the year where we are closest.

I am confident that God is going to establish justice very soon in one of these states.

Help us to get there. Endabortionnow .com is where you go. That's where you can give. And I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving and being a part of this ministry with us.

People can interpret the scriptures however they want. So if it says, love your neighbor as you love yourself, and I say, no, that actually means to beat my neighbor.

Are they interpreting it correctly? When you say love your neighbor as you love yourself, right? Do you think that applies to people?

I've seen so many things where people identify as Christian and they hate on their neighbor, maybe because they have different, maybe because they're part of the

LGBTQ community, maybe because they have different religious views. I think that people are loud. I don't want to go back and forth with you.

I feel like we're not getting anywhere. I see your friends recording. I get it. I'm having a great conversation with you.

I respect you. I wanted to hear what you had to say. No, if you want to have a better insight on what this is about, you can talk to the organizers.

Well, I just want to point out to you, and I mean this with as much humility and gentleness as I can. As we've been talking here,

I hope you can maybe later think about the fact that the foundation you're standing on doesn't work.

Every time that you were asked to take a look at what you're standing on and what you're saying, it collapsed.

I should abandon those positions too. I know you think that we're not educated on it, and you think

I'm not educated on it. No, I just think you're holding to a fallacious system. It doesn't benefit me.

Or the children that are being murdered. You're right. I'm saying that it doesn't benefit me to be...

Of course, it benefits my followers, but for example, let's say, personally, would I ever get an abortion? I don't think so.

Why would I come here and support pro -choice? It's not because I'm like, I would want to get an abortion tomorrow, because in case

I'm in that situation, I'll get an abortion in a heartbeat. It's not because of that. So give me the burst.

You're here to support this because? Because I see I'm a woman.

I want to support other women. I've seen their pain. It's very easy. If you want to empathize with...

I get it. You've adopted kids. You're like, oh, if these kids were aborted,

I wouldn't ever have adopted them. But we could do something. I could be like, oh my God, what if I was aborted and I never was here?

We could think about that all day long, back then, today. Hold on now, I respect you. So I want to hear your position.

You're here to support this because? I'm here to support this because I think women have the right.

I think people have the right to choose whether or not, what they do with their bodies. By the way,

I agree with you. And I agree with you, but what's in their body is not their body. Okay, but there are so many women who are raped.

There's so many women who are forced to have these kids. How about... And then you don't even... There are so many people who are putting their life at risk.

So you believe we should kill the children of rapists. But I'm saying what makes you think that these kids are more important than the person who's holding them.

I don't think you realize... I believe they're equal. Actually, I believe they're equal. It's me that believes that all humans are equal.

The child and the woman are both equal. But I think that when you have...

You don't understand. It's not like abortion is like, oh my God, I'd love to do this. Abortion's good. A lot of women are saying that over there.

They're very proud. Have you heard them? I'm saying that you don't realize how much abortions ruin somebody.

I have friends who have gotten abortions. It destroys your body. It makes it really hard to have kids in the future when you're in a better position.

There's a lot of consequences for killing your child. That's right. Yes. But this isn't people's first choice.

They usually think through their choices. Have you talked to some of these women? They're bragging about it. They love the fact that they can kill their children.

Similarly to how you guys love to be like, this is murder, put very graphic photos. You go to the extreme because you're trying to make a point, okay?

Have you seen the pictures of the black slaves and their whipped backs and everything else? Do you think we should show that?

Or how about the Holocaust? You know the images of the Holocaust? Should we show those images? I think correlating those issues is...

Similarly to how I wouldn't correlate slavery in the Holocaust because I think that's ignorant. Well, what

I mean by this is this. There's examples in history where human beings have drawn a circle around their group and they've dehumanized others.

You're doing that here with the defenseless, innocent humans in the womb. With our black brothers and sisters, they did it with them.

White people said, circle around us, oppress this class of people.

That's what they said. And so it is the same thing. It's just a different class of victim.

Look, if you think you're on the right side of history, we will find out. I'm sure in the next decade...

I think I'm on the right side of truth because God has spoken and we know what he says about this. He calls it murder. And that's okay if that's what you believe.

Not everybody's religious. Not everybody's a Christian. Everybody is religious. Everybody knows the same God. All of us, our problem is sin and rebellion.

And I wanted to just leave you with this. I want to leave you with this. You brought the most important thing here for me to communicate to you with love is just that point you made earlier about Jesus.

He said that he's the way, the truth, and the life, and no man comes to the father but by him. He said that if you don't come to him for life, you'll be condemned.

He said he was coming to die for the sins of his people and to rise again, and that only through faith in him we can have peace with God.

And he is God incarnate walking among us, and he spoke. And that's how we can know things with certainty because God has spoken.

I asked you how you know anything at all. I don't mean this offensively. I didn't get an answer. But how

I know is God has spoken, and that's how I know. So how do you know that? Okay. I don't have a plan.

What was your name? I got up this morning. I don't think I know. That's okay. I'm Jeff. I'm Jeff. Nice to meet you.

It was a great conversation. Hi, I'm Pastor Jeff Durbin with End Abortion Now.

You can get more at endabortionnow .com. I want to start this by giving you my greatest thanks for all that you have done over the years by standing with us prayerfully and financially because you have participated with us in this ministry.

Countless thousands of lives have been saved. We've been able to at End Abortion Now raise up churches globally to go out and to save lives at the abortion mills.

We've been able to do this because of your giving absolutely for free with no cost to all these churches.

About a thousand churches have been raised up who are out saving lives. We've been able to start this movement in Northern Ireland, the

Republic of Ireland, and now in Germany. So I wanted to thank you. These thousands of lives that have been saved have been saved because we've worked together as the church to bring the gospel to where they are actually taking lives.

Through your partnership with us in this ministry, we've been able to educate Christians globally as to what the real issues are.

Now, because Christians have gotten involved in this with faithfulness, dozens of bills of abolition have been presented across the country.

We're getting so close. Next session, we have more bills of abolition coming in across many states in this union.

And so please be in prayer for that. Countless lives saved and bills of abolition happening across the country.

Will you stand with us again in 2025? We need your support more than ever. Not only do we have more churches to raise up to save lives, not only do we have more work to do to educate and equip the

Christian church across this nation, and not only do we have all these bills of abolition happening across the country, but we have to face now what

I think is the worst of all. And that is these ballot measures happening across the country. The ballot measures and propositions that would update the constitutions, the state constitutions that would allow abortion from fertilization through nine months.

You heard that right. In many ways, we are about to face the bloodiest and most brutal part of this

Holocaust we have seen yet. Go to endabortionnow .com. Go to get your church signed up to get the free training, the free resources to be a part of saving even more lives outside those abortion mills.

And please give at endabortionnow .com. Help us to meet our budget goal. Help us to match these large donations.

Get to our budget goal, establish justice, and then close up shop. Never do this again.

We are not trying to create an industry at End Abortion Now. We are trying to establish justice and to walk away from this. Help us to meet our goal.

We are facing an enemy that has tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars that we have to overcome.

Help us to overcome this injustice. Help us to meet this financial goal. 2025,

I think is going to be, in many ways, our toughest year yet, but also the year where we are closest.

I am confident that God is going to establish justice very soon in one of these states.

Help us to get there. Endabortionnow .com is where you go. That's where you can give. And I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving and being a part of this ministry with us.

I am very, very lucky. They slept great through the night.

Great through the day. Well eaters. I have no complaints.

He loves to be cuddled and held. Barely ever cries. I feel like I was blessed and because I made a really positive and good decision, that God blessed me with a really good baby.

My name is Devine. And then this little guy right here is Oliver. And he is seven months old.

Initially, what took me out to the abortion clinic was with my last pregnancy, I was diagnosed with hypermesis gravidarum.

And that is just like excessive throwing up and being really, really, really sick while you're pregnant. And it put me out of work.

And we were already struggling and trying to recover with our finances. So it was really probably money issues,

I would say. What I remember when I pulled in that day was there were a whole bunch of people standing at the road protesting.

And I felt very overwhelmed and uncomfortable because I did already have a daughter and I also was adopted.

So I knew every option and other road that I could possibly take on.

And when I saw them, I also felt like a sense of relief when I got there too.

That day, I was experiencing a lot of over emotions and I was overwhelmed.

Stressed. And I just didn't really know which way to turn.

Probably also a little numb, I want to say, just because I didn't fully believe in that decision, having an abortion.

So I was conflicted. And when I went there that day, I already knew that I didn't really want to go through with having the abortion.

And so when I got out of my car, I did go into the office, but it told me that you needed to do walk -in appointments only.

And when I got there, they said they told me you needed to call and make an appointment. So they actually had no walk -ins available.

And it was about an hour drive from my house. So I'd have to go home and find another way to come back.

So it felt in a way like it wasn't something that I was supposed to do. And then as I was pulling away, they came up to my car window because there was a lot of traffic.

And asked me to hold my window down. And I did. And then we had a nice conversation about why

I felt the way I did about having an abortion. And where in life and what it was

I was struggling with. They ended up giving me money that day on the spot for groceries because we were short on rent and stuff because I was already getting sick.

And I was only like eight weeks pregnant. And they helped me out that week with groceries.

And then they also gave me their phone number and told me that I should call them and get in touch with them.

And so it was more me being adopted and just talking about the other routes that I could take that really led me to be like, hey, someone else saved me and showed me a route of love that I know no matter the struggle and mine was only with money that I could still keep my son.

It's hard to imagine if the church wasn't there that day. Because I don't know what the outcome would have actually been.

I don't know if I would have gone through it with how bad we are struggling. But ultimately,

I would have come to the decision, I think that I would have kept him anyway. But the way my life is going right now with work and family and still living in this state and having full custody of my kids turned out beneficial because if it would have went any other way, he wouldn't be here or I wouldn't be blessed with the job opportunities and everything that has come my way since I was able to keep him.

I could not honestly imagine life without Oliver. He is perfect.

He resembles a lot of his sister. They both took on the date the 12th of the year.

So he didn't want her to be the only star in my life. And then he copied her with the helmet.

He's moving and growing so much. And then I get to see him and work with him every single day.

So I couldn't imagine life any other way. He is actually the first boy in my family on my side from my grandparents.

So my dad is thrilled. He now has a fishing buddy and everybody else just loves him.

Everybody's squishy. What I would say to a mom who is leaning towards getting an abortion is to personally wait and to look into resources in your community, in your churches that can offer you some help no matter what the issue is, whether it's not being with the father anymore, being young, that you have to tell your parents or your grandparents or your guardian whether in and out of trouble, alcohol issues, whatever it is, your kids love you from the moment they are made inside of you and you can feel that love before you even take a test.

And everything through them is brand new. And it just reminds you of all the little things in life, whether you didn't have a family growing up, your parents weren't around.

I was adopted growing up. My birth parents were in and out of jail. But there's nothing more empowering than overcoming your struggles and making a change.

And we can't make a change without actually stopping the wrongs and doing what's right.

And what's right is saving lives and making a positive, impactful change amongst them and yourselves.

My name is Kenya. I'm 23 years old and I have two twins, Malik and Jabril.

I grew up in California, kind of part of my life story. Brought back out here to Arizona at a young age, went through high school, then, you know, have my kids, got my four kids, nothing special.

But I would say the initial circumstance that really made me want to go to an abortion clinic is I found out that I was pregnant and it sucks because I just found out that the dad's going to prison in a couple of months, you know, prior to me finding out that I was pregnant.

So that was one thing that made me want to do something like that because why am I going to do this for X amount of whatever length of time that I do it alone?

Not only am I struggling with my two kids, just got fired from my job to having graduated high school.

And then I go to my first appointment and then they're like, there's two of them. So I was like, wow.

And I was on birth control with both of them too. So that doesn't always work, obviously, clearly.

And so I ended up going to this abortion clinic and they did a consultation and everything.

It was funny because they're the ones who told me that my pregnancy wasn't viable, actually. It was a really sad day for me because then again, they told me that it wasn't, there was, it wasn't really viable.

And they're like, so within their same question, they're like pushing on with this. Do you really want to do this?

Or how can we accept payment? And when are we scheduling it for? Not how do you feel about this?

Or do you have questions about what's going on? And then, yeah, so I just,

I was there that day. And then I remember I walked outside and there was these pro -life people outside and then they took me back to their little camper van thingy and then we did an ultrasound and then that's when

I found I was having twins. So that's what was crazy. I didn't even tell nobody at that point. It's just me who knows that.

So I found, it was like a rollercoaster. I found out a bunch, like the abortion clinic says this might not be a viable pregnancy to finding out that it was twins.

So it was, it was a lot. He, my baby daddy, he turned himself into jail 10 days before I went into preterm labor.

And so I really do blame stress and depression on me going into labor early with twins because I just had a baby body, like, like literally a year ago at that point almost.

After he turned himself into jail, my son ended up having a seizure.

I had to take him to the hospital. My job at the time terminated me at that point. And then it ended up, a couple of days later,

I had went into preterm labor when I was by myself in the dark. And thank

God I called 911 in time because the babies were, both of the babies weren't born breathing.

So I feel like if I would have had them at home or just prolong something, something worse would have maybe happened.

They had an extended NICU stay. Baby A was in there for 60 days and baby

B was in there for 50 days. Pastor Zach and everyone else at the church, they, they were there for me asking me again, if I need anything, they would bring the baby's gifts to the hospitals, like little blankets and stuff like that.

They were still there for me and my other two children as well, as the two twins in the hospital.

They were in contact with another pro -life organization, helping me get things, like set up a baby registry for me.

I got a lot of stuff, you know, like for the twins and again, my other two kids.

And I don't have very much family support out here. Their dad is in jail already. So they were, they were there as much as they could be, you know, checking in on me again, giving me like things that I needed from all my kids, offering to come visit me in the hospital because I know how sad and depressed

I was at the time. And just always being there, open ear, checking in, seeing how my son was doing after this episode.

What did you see that caused the change of heart? There was two of them.

I mean, even if there was one of them, I was still having doubts. Like, is there something that I want to do? Because it's a permanent decision.

I think that gave me a little bit of change of heart, you know, the two, that's crazy.

But because I know I had other kids and not even the fact, it's not even the fact that I had two other kids or any kids at all.

It's still something that's been a lot, that's alive, you know? And something that I would have, like, you know,

I would have murdered basically, you know, it makes me want to cry because I love them so much.

But yeah, it could have, you know, like, they could have been gone right now or they wouldn't be a thing.

I just love them so much now. They wouldn't be here if I actually did that.

And it's just like, how could I think, why would I want to do that? My name is

Marchelle and this is Anthony. I grew up on a farm on 35th and Baseline.

I don't know if you know where that's at, but my grandpa was actually my dad. He supplied everything.

My mom, she was pretty strict on us, all of us. I have five other siblings. I'm the youngest and I would say it was pretty hard.

Like, they were really hard on us. When I found out

I was pregnant, I was already five months, I wasn't showing. I had just went in for a checkup and the lady came back.

She's like, you're pregnant. And I was like, oh no. By that time he had arms and legs and a heartbeat.

So I just needed some kind of support because I wasn't getting that at home.

My mom just kept saying like, you can't do it, don't do it. But just taking on that responsibility, being so young, she just didn't think that I had all the necessary tools that I needed to have him.

I didn't know too much about dad. It was like a one -time thing. But once I reached out to him and let him know like, hey,

I went to get a checkup and they actually told me that I was pregnant. He also wanted to do abortion as well because he already has four daughters and he's living with his mom, has no means to be on his own.

At first I was with him. I was like, yeah, you know what? You're right. I can't do it. You can't do it. Let's just go the abortion route.

But I was full of emotions. My hormones was going crazy and it was emotional.

Sometimes I cried like, what am I gonna do? Like, it was a lot.

I had got in contact with a youth pastor that he was really involved with us growing up as well.

I reached out to him for advice and he ended up getting me in contact with Zach. And the first meeting we had,

Zach, he pretty much told me like, he gave me the confidence that I needed.

He's like, you can do this. We, I don't think that that's the way you should go about it.

You're young. This is your first one. Give it a try. And I would say that that was the best decision that I've pretty much ever made because this is like my best friend now.

Like he keeps me on my toes though. He does.

I would say they pretty much saved me. Saved him too. Just the thought of like having an abortion, it was like I was killing something that's already been developed, growing.

And that kind of hit home real hard. Like it hurt to think that I created something, not intentionally, but I would say

Zach, like he really opened my mind up. Like this isn't right.

There's other options for you. There's help out here. There's resources and things like that out here to help you where I don't have to choose that route of having an abortion.

The church alone was half of my support. They got the bed, the crib, the diapers, the wipes, the clothes, the car seat, the stroller.

They provided everything. And also they had Amazon packages delivered.

And in those packages, there were also notes that came in them. A lot of them had gave me good advice and scriptures from the

Bible as well. I actually still have them in a box, but they've helped me a lot with him.

Just giving support and everything. Just everything.

I probably wouldn't be the same. If I chose a different route, I probably would not.

I probably... It's like he saved me from doing what

I would normally do. Like I can't go out. I can't go partying anymore.

I can't just... Now all my time goes to him and I'm trying to raise him to like become something.

And to me, that's worth it all.

Hi, I'm Pastor Jeff Durbin with End Abortion Now. You can get more at endabortionnow .com. I want to start this by giving you my greatest thanks for all that you have done over the years by standing with us prayerfully and financially.

Because you have participated with us in this ministry, countless thousands of lives have been saved.

We've been able to, at End Abortion Now, raise up churches globally to go out and to save lives at the abortion mills.

We've been able to do this because of your giving absolutely for free with no cost to all these churches.

About a thousand churches have been raised up who are out saving lives. We've been able to start this movement in Northern Ireland, the

Republic of Ireland, and now in Germany. So I wanted to thank you. These thousands of lives that have been saved have been saved because we've worked together as the church to bring the gospel to where they are actually taking lives.

Through your partnership with us in this ministry, we've been able to educate Christians globally as to what the real issues are.

Now, because Christians have gotten involved in this with faithfulness, dozens of bills of abolition have been presented across the country.

We're getting so close. Next session, we have more bills of abolition coming in across many states in this union.

And so please be in prayer for that. Countless lives saved and bills of abolition happening across the country.

Will you stand with us again in 2025? We need your support more than ever.

Not only do we have more churches to raise up to save lives, not only do we have more work to do to educate and equip the

Christian church across this nation, and not only do we have all these bills of abolition happening across the country, but we have to face now what

I think is the worst of all. And that is these ballot measures happening across the country. The ballot measures and propositions that would update the constitutions, the state constitutions that would allow abortion from fertilization through nine months.

You heard that right. In many ways, we are about to face the bloodiest and most brutal part of this

Holocaust we have seen yet. Go to endabortionnow .com. Go to get your church signed up to get the free training, the free resources to be a part of saving even more lives outside those abortion mills.

And please give at endabortionnow .com. Help us to meet our budget goal. Help us to match these large donations.

Get to our budget goal. Establish justice and then close up shop. Never do this again.

We are not trying to create an industry at endabortionnow. We are trying to establish justice and to walk away from this. Help us to meet our goal.

We are facing an enemy that has tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars that we have to overcome.

Help us to overcome this injustice. Help us to meet this financial goal. 2025,

I think is going to be in many ways our toughest year yet, but also the year where we are closest.

I am confident that God is going to establish justice very soon in one of these states.

Help us to get there. Endabortionnow .com is where you go. That's where you can give. And I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving and being a part of this ministry with us.

I'm Leterica Thomas. I'm Kirstana. I'm Lauren Davis. Keishon Stinson and Kingston Stinson.

My two sons. She's three. Her name is Navy Kyle White. She is sassy, but she loves trucks and dirt and dirt bikes and everything like that.

I am due January 28th, 2021. And I'm going to name her

Savaria. Pray that I can be everything that I need to be for her and be a good mom and not have her to struggle or to go without basically.

Me and my little girl, we have like a special kind of bond because I think, you know,

I know that I was going to have an abortion with her. But he's a happy baby. Like he's so happy.

Everybody loves him. He likes to eat and he's already walking. Like he walks real good.

I thought I didn't, I couldn't afford it. There's something I can't do. I didn't really see myself being a parent to begin with.

So I was like two babies. And then the father was also pushing the issue.

So it kind of helped just for me to go ahead and try it. I had just had

Kingston. I think he was about nine, 10 months when I found out

I was pregnant and I was scared. I didn't have no help. So I was feeling like I was going to be raising two babies by myself with no help.

We was staying in a hotel, didn't have nowhere to go. I was paying a high car note. I just had a lot already on my plate that I was dealing with.

And I felt like I wasn't ready to deal with no second baby. I felt like that I could not have another baby.

And that's just that. I feel like I couldn't take care of another baby. I feel like I didn't have time for another baby. This, that's just it, you know.

When we got here, I heard him and he was telling me that he can help me.

And there's, you know, don't worry about anything. I'm helping you. And I just didn't have the heart to.

So when I went in there and I seen everybody getting ready for everything. And yeah, the place even gave me weird vibes itself.

So I changed my mind. And when I came out, yeah, he got upset, kind of pulled off and I left me in the parking lot.

And he was there saying, hey, I'll give you a lift, whatever you need, I can help you. And I took his information.

The day that I did pull in, I was, me and my grandma had scraped up on enough money for me to make the first appointment, which was $2 .75.

But once I pulled into the parking lot, I think I was the only one in the parking lot and Pastor Scott and they all was trying to get my attention and pray with me.

I was thinking maybe I should just go listen to what they had to say. I mean, I always believed in God. And at that time

I felt like I needed prayer. So I went over and talked to Pastor Scott and Mike and they talked to me about the history of Planned Parenthood.

He prayed with me. He told me how he would be able to help me out the situation that I was in and also help me raise my child.

And then I ended up talking to Ms. Kathy, which is, she's with Operation Saving Life.

So I talked over the phone with her for a long time about everything that had happened.

And right over the phone, like she made me like fall in love with her just like that. Just seeing her arms and her legs, like I honestly think that that's, that had a lot to do with it.

I was like, I cannot, it just made it more real, you know? Like, cause when you're in a situation like me, you're thinking, oh, at the time it's nothing.

It's just a little seed, you know, it's nothing. You know, you're going to take the pill and you just, you know what I'm saying? Whatever, whatever. But then when you actually like see like a whole human and granted

I do have a little boy and I know what it was all about, but I don't know. I was just thinking, you know, it's just that little seed.

Then I seen like her legs and her arms and stuff. It was a whole fetus. And I was like, no,

I cannot do that. I just didn't have the heart to do it. And I figured if he was offering help and he was going to be there for me mentally, emotionally and however, you know, just being there for me, then

I was going to take him upon that. I was staying in a hotel, a ran down hotel for about a year.

And Ms. Kathy dropped me out there one day and she saw it and she was like, no, you would not be living here. So they helped me get into, based on income apartments in Smyrna.

They paid the first month rent deposit until I was able to pay it myself. They, someone donated a van to them and they gave it to me.

They signed the title right over to my name where I wouldn't have to pay my car note no more. So that was amazing.

And they help with my boys as much as possible. They buy clothes, diapers, milk, anything that I need, they help.

Gas card, grocery cards, whatever we need, basically they there. Like whenever I feel stressed out,

I call and talk and pray with Ms. Kathy. And then, but eventually like on down the line, they ended up getting me a vehicle and a car seat, you know what

I'm saying? Like all the little things I needed. Absolutely no strings attached. I was like, do you want me to clean the church or something?

Or what do you want me to do? And they was like, oh, nothing. We just want to help you get back on your feet so you can provide for you and your baby.

Scott told me that he would help me with whatever I needed. He'd throw me a baby shower. He also tried to get me a lift so I can get home safely.

And Scott has came through with all of his words. He helped me with rental assistance. He helped me on my car note and he put food in my house as well.

He's kept his word the whole time. I'm still in shock that someone helped that much. Operation Saving Life, they make me feel like I'm their family.

Like it's no like discrimination, you know what I'm saying?

Nobody talks about you. We dress however we want to dress. Nobody looking at you no certain way.

Everybody welcome you in. It's family. Everyone want to help you. I mean, whatever you need, I feel like there's somebody there that can help.

I would tell her to choose life, to understand that God put the baby there for a reason.

And if he didn't want you to have it, he wouldn't have given it to you. He wouldn't have gave you that blessing.

I would tell her to choose life. Keep your baby. There's so many support, you know, different support out here.

Like there's so many different things you can do to reach out for help. She could be blessing someone else that can't have kids if she would want to give it up for adoption.

There's so many options instead of, you know, going with abortion. You know, anybody who love you, that you love, if they can help, is there another way for you to go other than the abortion way?

I mean, it's lots of ways. I know God is always with us at all times. And if we talk to somebody and pray,

I believe they'll make the right decision. Even if you feel like you still do not want to keep your baby, give your baby up for adoption.

Don't abort your baby. I mean, you can go with adoption or you can choose like I did.

Raise your child with help of others. I'm glad that I did choose life other than getting an abortion.

I love everything about my son. I love the people that he brought into our life. Like he made me be a better woman and they also helped me become a better woman.

Good afternoon. Good to see everyone. Good to see your faces. I thought that sounded weird.

So things might get a little weird today. I'm still living a year with no sleep because of the twins we adopted.

And this week I've been in Kentucky and Ohio. Good news. We've got commitments for bills of abolition and equal protection in both states.

And so next session that'll be going. So I actually thought this week being away from home that I was gonna have sleep because the twins aren't there.

And I'm like, I'm gonna sleep this week. And I felt terrible for my wife, but I was like, yes. But because I've been without sleep for a year, my schedule is on their schedule.

So I was waking up every three hours looking for a baby to feed. And so pray for me that things don't get too weird right now.

So let's start with prayer. Father, thank you, Lord, for this privilege, the honor, Lord, to be able to speak to your people.

Lord, to speak about justice for these image bearers that you've created.

And we just pray, Lord, that you would move mightily by your spirit across this nation in your people, grant repentance, grant new strength.

We pray that you would expose the darkness, bring the light of your truth in your gospel. And Lord, blessed today by your spirit as I speak from your word,

I pray that, Lord, people would forget me, remember you and be transformed by your truth. We pray this in Jesus' name, amen.

So just briefly, and everyone knows my problem with time. Funny, I looked at the schedule and if you look at the schedule, you see everyone else's time, like half an hour, 45 minutes.

Bradley loves me, he put me at one hour. But I'm gonna do my best to even stay under that today.

So just by way of introduction, my story is not overly important in this whole discussion, but in terms of how

God used other men, other faithful ministers to convict us and to challenge us as a church.

As Bradley said, I was a full -time chaplain and pastor at a drug rehab, it was a hospital, around the clock, 24 -hour care, doctors, nurses, therapists, all that stuff, and they had a

Christian track. And so I was a pastor there, chaplain there, while I was also pastoring a church in Ahwatukee, Arizona.

And what God had done is he brought so many people to Christ at this hospital out of drug and alcohol addiction that it became very clear the

Lord was calling us to plant a church to care for them more full -time as they came out of the hospital. So the elders of the church that I was at and serving with laid hands on me and sent me, and that work began about 15 years ago.

And so we planted Apologia Church at the drug rehab in the family building. And the first night of worship, there were about 10 people present, most of them in halfway houses, lives completely destroyed, many of them still on detoxification medicine.

And so that was a context of how Apologia Church started. And God began to bless that work, and these baby

Christians started to grow and thrive in their faith in Jesus Christ. And so it was an interesting -looking church.

People would see our stuff online, they'd hear Apologia Church's content, and they'd say, oh, that's a solid reformed church.

And they'd come to visit, and they'd say, hey, we love the teaching here, but we won't be coming back. Because the church was filled with just a riffraff.

I mean, it was people all tatted up and gauges in their ears, and you had to walk through a cloud of cigarette smoke to walk through the front doors of the church.

And that's what we looked like. It was a very young, a very just fresh and brand -new church of baby

Christians, and passionate about their faith, passionate about the gospel. And we were challenged over time by the testimonies of some people who were going out to abortion mills to preach the gospel and to save children's lives.

I spoke to a woman on the radio program one day named Lisa Metzger, who was just, in my mind, a giant of the faith.

She saved so many babies. And in the process of talking to her, I found it so interesting that she goes out, preaches the gospel at this murder mill.

And she said something in the midst of the interview. And mind you, our whole church is listening to these interviews at the time.

My whole church, meaning all 12 of them, were listening to these interviews at the time. And Lisa said something during the episode.

She said, yeah, and we saved 360 babies or something like that. And she had been telling me she's doing it for like 15 or 20 years.

And so I was like, that's incredible. Like 20 years of ministry, you've saved 360 babies. And she said, no, this year.

And that completely challenged me and brought just tremendous conviction to our church that you can go to these places locally where they're murdering children.

Just go there, be a faithful Christian, bring the truth of the word of God, bring the gospel, and God saves lives.

It was very challenging to us. It was, of course, in our mind, we were, quote, pro -life. We wanted to see abortion ended.

And yet we were doing nothing ultimately about it. We were talking about it amongst ourselves.

It was obviously, you know, Sanctity of Life Sunday. We'd preach that necessary pro -life message on that Sanctity of Life Sunday.

But there was nothing really going on in terms of our efforts and our hands and our feet locally at all the abortion mills where they were slaughtering these children every single day, even on Sunday in Glendale.

And so there was that. And then the Lord used the film Babies Are Murdered here to completely bring us to our knees as a church.

It was the work of Russi Thomas in that and faithful pastor John Speed that God used to really challenge me as a pastor first.

And then, of course, our church. And so what we did as this very small church is we just said, we're going to go preach the gospel.

We don't know what we're doing. We're not professionals. We've never done this before. Nobody's taught us, but we know what's happening there.

We know what's wrong there. We know it's a problem of sin. And we know the gospel.

We know the only way that this can be transformed. And we knew we wanted to love these mothers and fathers and babies and help.

And so the very first day that Apologia Church went out to a Planned Parenthood in Phoenix, we went out, preached the gospel.

Within two hours, God saved and delivered two babies that first day. And so what we started to do is we went out to just go to the local abortion mills and to preach the gospel.

All we said was, Mom, please don't murder your baby. We brought the law of God to bear on the mother and the father.

Mom, please do not murder your baby. You can turn to Christ where there is forgiveness, there is peace, there is reconciliation with God.

We are here because we love you. We want to help you. We want to give you anything you need. We'll serve you in any way. We will even adopt your baby.

Please let us help you. And then the door shuts. 15 seconds from door to door is what we had in their lives.

And God began to save more babies. And so on Apologia Radio, we would just mention, hey, everybody, great news.

This week, God saved another baby in Tempe or he saved a baby in Glendale. And so other Christians started contacting us and asking us questions.

How are you doing what you're doing? And we'd say, okay, we don't know. We don't know what we're doing.

We're just going out to preach the gospel and God is saving babies. And so what became clear to us at that early stage was that God can transform this issue through his truth.

And we saw a marked distinction between what we were doing as a local Christian church and what these pro -life organizations were doing when they would send people to the abortion mill or they were talking around the issue.

We were saying then, they're not talking about Jesus. They're not calling people to repentance.

They're not calling it murder. They're coming out and they're standing out on the sidewalk and they're taping their mouths and standing there silently or they're walking around the abortion mill praying to Mary.

And we said, where's the church? It's the gospel that is the power of God for salvation.

So where is the church? This is a problem of sin. This is a problem of rebelling against the holy God. That's the heart of the issue.

So where's the church? And we of course recognize that the pro -life establishment at the time the industry was refusing to call it murder, that their worldview was antithetical to the

Christian worldview. They were not standing on scripture. They were not making it about the gospel. And so we knew that we needed to make sure that we alerted pastors and ministers and congregations to the fact that the pro -life establishment is actually working against the abolition of abortion.

And they also are not standing on Christ and the authority of Christ in their fights. And so what we started to do is as a church, we started equipping and raising up local churches across the

United States of America and around the world to simply do what we were doing. We said this, look, we just want to give everything away to these churches.

We wanna give them all the training and all the resources. We want nothing from these churches. We don't wanna take anything from them.

We would just wanna give to them. And we knew we needed to educate in the public square, unbelievers, bring the gospel to them.

And in particular, we needed to raise up and challenge pastors and churches to understand what the real issue is here in abortion.

And we of course needed to go to the legislature to preach the gospel, to stand on the authority of Christ there.

We recognize that we are, of course, saving lives. God is saving lives through this work at the abortion mill, but we're sort of at the end of the river trying to empty it out with buckets.

We needed to do something to stop where it was flowing from. And that was the legislature. We needed justice to be established.

And so that's where End Abortion Now came from. And through everyone as a church, you need to know this, through the work of faithful Christian ministries, churches across the country, organizations like End Abortion Now and this organization and many others,

God has in the last 10 years done such an incredible work. All the work of the pro -life establishment through the duration of Roe versus Wade hasn't come close to what

God has done when he has raised up his church to fight against this issue. The first bill of abolition was,

I think around 2015 or so with Senator Joseph Silk, faithful Christians in Oklahoma, worked with Senator Joseph Silk to get a bill of abolition and equal protection into Oklahoma.

That's what everybody had been praying for. One courageous legislator who would stand on the gospel, stand on the word of God, be consistent, be faithful, and God raised that up and it created no small controversy.

And it was a glory to God moment that there was one faithful legislator that would actually be courageous enough to put a bill of equal protection into the legislature.

And since that time, because of the work of the Christian church, there have been dozens of bills of abolition and equal protection now that have gone in across the entire country.

And this next session, many, many bills of equal protection are happening. Again, I was just in Kentucky and Ohio all this week working on specific bills and raising the church up in those two states.

That's what God has done. That's where we're at. And I wanna challenge everybody today as we talk about the fatal flaw.

This is the core issue. It's what the church needs to work against. I'm gonna talk about what the word of God says.

This is a particular text I always wanna start these talks with this section of scripture because it's one of the main sections of scripture that God used to convict me, to challenge me and to change my mind.

And I wanna give it to you. It's in Isaiah 1. My favorite prophet of the Old Testament, Isaiah.

So many glorious truths in Isaiah. So many different facets and portraits of Jesus, the

Messiah, His victorious kingdom, His conquering kingdom, His establishing justice in the earth and not growing faint or weary till He's done so,

Isaiah 42. And then of course Him as the suffering servant being pierced through for our transgressions. It's truly an amazing thing.

But Isaiah 1 opens, opens in such a powerful and interesting way.

As you open this revelation from God, this word from God, you see something that is so challenging to hear in God speaking to the covenant professing people.

And this is why this needs to be heard, I believe in our generation. This is where we all get to participate.

Do you believe that God is immutable? A couple people knew what that meant.

And it's just a fancy theological term. It just means that God is unchanging. So do you believe that God is immutable?

Now we're all in agreement. I only thought two of you did. So let's try that again. Okay. Do you believe

God is unchanging? Okay. It's important for me to announce that or ask that question as we start this conversation because we live in a time where the evangelical church in the

West has largely ecclesiasticized the Bible.

They've turned the Bible into specifically a church book. This is about the church.

This is for the church. This is for within the walls of the church. This isn't for out there in the public square.

We've taken the word of God and thrown away so much of it. You have, of course, heard even famous pastors saying things like we need to detach ourselves from the

Old Testament, right? That is no longer relevant any longer. There are whole theologies built today around the idea that there's much of the

Old Testament that is completely irrelevant. We say things today like, I'm gonna be about the gospel and not politics.

Well, I wanna just say very strongly, if you truly understand the gospel and the heart of the gospel and the kingship and the authority of Jesus Christ, there is no way for the

Christian church to not engage in the issue of politics. Because if Christ is

King and he is Lord over all, if he is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and that is not just a pithy slogan that we say as Christians, then that means that Jesus not only has something to say authoritatively to my life personally, to my family and to my church, he has something authoritative to say to every legislature in this nation.

And that's the truth. Scripture says all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

That's what Jesus announces when he tells the church to go and win the world. By the way, I don't think it was wishful thinking.

I think it's a command. That Christ intends to put every enemy under his feet and he is

Lord over everything. We tend today as Christians in the West, because of the pulpit problem in the

West, we tend to think of the authority of Jesus Christ as something that is merely over my personal life and my

Bible study in a basement. The authority of Christ is something that is over my life, but not necessarily over the president of these

United States. Now I wanna remind us briefly as we get to the text here and talk about the unchanging

God and what he says to his people, I wanna remind everybody what Jesus says there. All authority in heaven and where else?

And on earth. Now Jesus, listen, we might say, be tempted to say as Christians, I recognize it.

You might be tempted to say, it does not look like Jesus has authority today over these

United States. Biden, Harris, end of argument, right?

Doesn't look like he has authority. We are being ruled by those who hate us. We are being led by people who hate

God. Our nation has turned their backs completely on God. And so somebody might be tempted to say, it doesn't look like Jesus is king of kings and Lord of lords right now over these

United States. I'm gonna say, I believe that's because we are a nation that is under the judgment of God and we are right now in the midst of being dispossessed by God.

That's what I believe. But I wanna remind us, as we think about Isaiah 1 and the unchanging

God, I'm gonna remind us that Jesus said those words, all authority in heaven and on earth has been past tense given to me in the midst of the

Roman empire, essentially with an earshot of Roman authorities. And I wanna say, it didn't look like Jesus was the ruler of the world at that moment either, but he is the way and the truth.

And when he speaks, he speaks with authority and he speaks with the truth. Jesus had all authority at that point in heaven, not just there and on earth.

Then on that basis, Jesus says, because I have all the authority, therefore go get the nations, baptize them, disciple them, teach them.

And he says, teach them to what? Obey, that's what the Lord of glory says.

And so we've ecclesiasticized the Bible. It's a church book. It's not for out there.

That's wrong. That's not what scripture says about itself and its own authority. And we've turned the

God of the Bible into a God with two different faces. We have the God of the Old Testament who is so concerned with the fatherless, so concerned with the widow, so concerned with justice and only justice you shall do.

You shall show no partiality in judgment. Unequal weights and measures are an abomination in his sight.

That God so concerned with justice and statutes that are righteous. We say that, well, that God is really not important any longer because now we have the

New Testament and Jesus, the happy surfer God. He loves you, bro. That's what

Jesus wants for you. He just wants to love you, bro. He wants to be in this personal, intimate romance with you. And it's just all about love and grace.

Well, I'm going to say that the God of the Bible is one God, the triune God, and he is the unchanging

God. And what he says in his word, Old Testament or New Testament is true.

It is a reflection of his own character, his holiness and his righteousness. And proof that the

God of the New Testament, if you want to say that, is the same God as the Old Testament is that how concerned is

God about sin and his law? Our entire faith is wrapped around a cross that demonstrates that God is concerned with justice forever.

That cross that speaks about the grace of God for God's people is the same cross that speaks about God's anger and wrath towards sin and injustice.

You can't talk about the cross in any meaningful fashion if you remove the heart of God concerning justice from it.

And what God says here in his word is true today. Here's what he says. Hear the word of the

Lord, you rulers of Sodom. Give ear to the teaching of our God, you people of Gomorrah. Stop.

Who's God talking to? He's not talking to pagans. He's not talking to the unbelieving, professed unbelievers or humanists or skeptics, the atheists, the agnostic.

You might be tempted to think that if you crack this open and just set your eyes on it. God is not speaking to the unbelievers here.

He's speaking to the professing covenant people of God. These are the people who looked religious.

They are the people who said that they worship Yahweh. They're the ones that quote the Shema every morning.

Shema Yisrael Yahweh Eloheinu Yahweh Echad. That's the same prayer they're saying today in the morning and evening prayers in synagogues,

Jews around the world. These are the ones that say they know the true and living God. And God says to them, he says, hear the word of Yahweh.

You rulers of Sodom give ear to the teaching of our God. You people of Gomorrah. Here is

God speaking to the professing people of God. And he's saying the worst possible thing to them.

They know what Sodom and Gomorrah is. They know about the sin. They know about the lust. They know about the perversions that took place there.

They know about the injustices that took place there. And here is God, their

God, saying to them, the people of God, Sodom and Gomorrah. That's you.

What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? Says the Lord. I've had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well -fed beasts.

I do not delight in the blood of bulls or of lambs or of goats. When you come to appear before me, who is required of you this trampling of my courts?

Bring no more vain offerings. Incense is an abomination to me.

New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations. I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.

Your new moons and your appointed feasts, my soul hates. They have become a burden to me.

I'm weary of bearing them. When you spread out your hands, I will hide my eyes from you.

Even though you make many prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are full of blood.

So here's what God says to the professing church. Let's use that language.

Here's the church gathering, calling convocations, doing the worship.

It smells like worship. It sounds like worship. It looks like worship. They all say they know

Yahweh, the true God. This looks like the people of God. They're doing church. They've got the programs.

They have the schedule. They're gathering on the outside to the unbelieving world.

They would point to that as though those are the people of God. Those are the ones who worship Yahweh. They look like it, but inside is a different story.

Here is God speaking to the professing church. He says, my soul hates this.

Go ahead, pray. Pray lots of prayers. Pray lots of prayers.

I won't listen to one of them. I will hide my eyes from you.

This is the professing people of God. God's saying, I'm going to hide my eyes from you. Pray all you want.

I won't listen. Your hands are full of blood. And here's what

God says. Wash yourselves. Make yourselves clean.

Remove the evil of your deeds from before my eyes. There's the call to repentance. And then he says this.

Please hear this. The unchanging God. Is God unchanging? Is he unchanging? So this is the unchanging

God. Cease to do evil. Learn to do good.

Seek justice. Correct oppression. Bring justice to the fatherless.

Plead the widow's cause. Here is the one and only true and living

God saying to his people, turn from all this evil. And he tells his people, seek justice.

Correct oppression. Bring justice to the fatherless. We've been taught today in this wishy -washy evangelism.

We've been taught that God is no longer concerned with justice. We just need to be about the gospel. We just need to be about the gospel.

I want to say, if you're about the gospel and you actually know the Lord of glory and the King of kings, you will also be about the issue of justice in the earth because God commands his people, correct oppression, seek justice, bring justice to the fatherless.

That's what the word of God says to his church. And he's the unchanging God. Now, brothers and sisters,

I can think of no more fatherless child in this world than that child who is abandoned to be murdered in abortion.

What is a fatherless child? What is the orphan here, as some translations say? The fatherless child is a child who has no representation and no protection.

That's the duty of a father to represent that child and to protect that child. Here are these fatherless children abandoned by their fathers.

No representation, no protection. There is no more fatherless child in this world than that child abandoned in the womb by a father.

And so God commands his people, seek justice, correct oppression, bring justice to the fatherless. That is the heart of the abolitionist movement.

That's what it's all about, brothers and sisters. That's where we need to be broken. That's what God calls us to.

Hi, I'm Pastor Jeff Durbin with End Abortion Now. You can get more at endabortionnow .com. I'm going to start this by giving you my greatest thanks for all that you have done over the years by standing with us prayerfully and financially.

Because you have participated with us in this ministry, countless thousands of lives have been saved.

We've been able to, at End Abortion Now, raise up churches globally to go out and to save lives at the abortion mills.

We've been able to do this because of your giving absolutely for free, with no cost, to all these churches.

About a thousand churches have been raised up who are out saving lives. We've been able to start this movement in Northern Ireland, the

Republic of Ireland, and now in Germany. So I wanted to thank you. These thousands of lives that have been saved, have been saved because we've worked together as the church to bring the gospel to where they are actually taking lives.

Through your partnership with us in this ministry, we've been able to educate Christians globally as to what the real issues are.

Now, because Christians have gotten involved in this with faithfulness, dozens of bills of abolition have been presented across the country.

We're getting so close. Next session, we have more bills of abolition coming in across many states in this union.

And so please be in prayer for that. Countless lives saved and bills of abolition happening across the country.

Will you stand with us again in 2025? We need your support more than ever. Not only do we have more churches to raise up to save lives, not only do we have more work to do to educate and equip the

Christian church across this nation, and not only do we have all these bills of abolition happening across the country, but we have to face now what

I think is the worst of all. And that is these ballot measures happening across the country. The ballot measures and propositions that would update the constitutions, the state constitutions that would allow abortion from fertilization through nine months.

You heard that right. In many ways, we are about to face the bloodiest and most brutal part of this

Holocaust we have seen yet. Go to endabortionnow .com. Go to get your church signed up to get the free training, the free resources to be a part of saving even more lives outside those abortion mills.

And please give at endabortionnow .com. Help us to meet our budget goal. Help us to match these large donations.

Get to our budget goal, establish justice, and then close up shop. Never do this again.

We are not trying to create an industry at End Abortion Now. We are trying to establish justice and to walk away from this. Help us to meet our goal.

We are facing an enemy that has tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars that we have to overcome.

Help us to overcome this injustice. Help us to meet this financial goal. 2025,

I think is going to be in many ways our toughest year yet, but also the year where we are closest.

I am confident that God is going to establish justice very soon in one of these states.

Help us to get there. Endabortionnow .com is where you go. That's where you can give. And I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving and being a part of this ministry with us.