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We are now live on the conversations that matter podcast. I'm your host John Harris We have someone who's been on the podcast once before Seth Gruber Seth.

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How you doing? Good brother good to be with you, man So for those who don't know Seth has a new documentary coming out.

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That's what we're actually gonna be discussing and a book right the 16 Or I was gonna say the 1619 project.

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That's not your project the 1916 you did that on purpose to trick people I did

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Yeah so they're gonna go looking for the 1619 project and they're gonna find yours and think it's that and then they're gonna what

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I don't know what's gonna happen at that point but Anyway, that's right. We got to figure out some of the

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SEO stuff John cuz Right now everyone that Google's the 1916 project

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Google pulls up the 1619 I noticed that we got to flip it and we got to figure out the SEO on Google so that people actually go to our

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Webpage, but but bro, it's gonna be with you again And thanks for having AJ Hurley on for that really fascinating debate the other day.

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That was super fun AJ's my national coordinator of activism and honestly one of my one of my dearest friends and so we appreciate your voice

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John Yeah, likewise and if people want to check out the white rose resistance, where can they go? Yeah, you can go to the white rose dot like we actually just launched our brand new website right before the launch of the the film

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Screening tour that we're doing in the book and so now praise God because of support like meant for men like you

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John We're now the fastest -growing pro -life organization in America And we're we

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I can't hire fast enough. God's wow We're really super.

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Yeah. I mean last time I spoke with you, bro. I had one employee I think I remember you had me on I think we're at like 14 now

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He's God and we have two or three more positions. We need to hire four before the fall full -time positions

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And so now we've launched in Boise. We're launching in Denver this summer We're launching in California in like two months and we're launching in Fort Worth in the fall

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And we're gonna keep launching these white rose chapters We're hiring regional coordinators that we're interviewing for right now all around the country

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We're a digital media activism organization John and so we're not in this just to feel good about expressing orthodox positions and making you feel more confident in your pro -life beliefs so you can lambast the culture of death and call them bail

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Worshippers, that's not why we're in this we're in this to put ourselves out of a job, bro I don't want to be doing this at 42 years old

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I want to be rebuilding Christendom not tearing down another high place And so that's kind of the mantra at that all of our teams say at the ministries.

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We're trying to put ourselves out of a job We want the church getting back to doing what she should have been doing all along Saving children stopping this

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Holocaust ending abortion rebuilding the family structure in America. Yes That means contending politically, although we're not a 501c4, but it means contending culturally

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It means that your church needs to be adopting this as an actual ministry And so everything we do is to awaken inspire mobilize and equip the church to get back involved in the culture of death

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Opposing that culture of death and actually rebuilding a culture of life where they live And so we do media training activism courses curriculum films documentaries books

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But it's also that you get clarity on why what's happening in this country how we got here so that you'll live differently and so uh

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That's who we are bro And and I appreciate all that you do to bring clarity to the abortion Holocaust to the culture of death

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And kind of how this happened. Yeah, praise God. I didn't realize it was growing that fast

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I know you're on Instagram and I'm not a big Instagram guy I probably should be because I hear that's where the cool kids are

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Right, so I have like 86 followers and I post pictures of flowers and mountains sometimes, you know

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It's not I'm not really promoting myself much on it. But whenever I do go on it I see your stuff and it's got a lot of traction and I thought wow, like I don't

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I don't know what he's doing but he's got some ingredients right because there's just a lot of Support and an energy with what you're doing

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So praise God for that if people want to check it out and and look people are looking for jobs right now

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So you just said you're three jobs open. I would how cool would that be right working to stop and end abortion?

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So I I guess they can find out more about that at the website then yep go to the white rose

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I like the white rose life I think we just added those and then we you can also send for email lists and we notify you all about that and then

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At the end of the show I'll tell you how you can actually kind of support the ministry and what we're doing to actually equip and mobilize our donors because Like I said, this is a ministry that was birthed by and for the church

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John and so I believe that this is a Holocaust Giving 35 or $50 a month to a pro -life ministry is not all that a

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Christian should be doing for goodness sakes Like yes help equip the fighters, right? Maybe you're an insurance guy, you know, maybe you're a salesman

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I don't know. Maybe you work at Walmart like obviously, you can't just leave your Job to provide for your children and trying to start volunteering for pro -life ministry and make no money

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I get it. You may not be called full -time into the culture war But if this is a Holocaust we as a church need to do a lot more

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John than just giving a 25 a $20 a month Give to a ministry And so we do a lot to equip and pour back into our donors

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To be the resistance so that they're actually equipped to speak powerfully against the culture of death understand the ideologies and events happening around us and how that how that kind of all happened and really

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Empowering them to be able to to be persuasive gracious. I'm starting to sound like Russell Moore over here and bold voices

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To those in their lives who need the truth and for too long Christians have kept their opinions to themselves

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And they didn't want to rustle any feathers at the workplace And we are we are way way past the point of comfortable

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Christianity in the cold Yeah, so yeah, I don't feel bad about sounding like more because I think a lot of the things

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Russell Moore says are actually true He just doesn't actually believe them Yeah, we should be winsome.

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What does that mean? And then he's like that means we like neutralize ourselves And so yeah, anyway

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Here's the website for people who want to check it out. It's 1690 did you say the wrong thing the 1916 project comic 1916 project calm and Super spiffy website here.

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You can order the documentary You could actually attend a screening or host a screening if you're a church or another organization

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So first question here for you Seth because I've seen a lot of this From pro -life groups various ones

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I can't even like count because there's so many different ones that have popped up some of them have gone away over the years

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And it seems like one of the things that I often see is they have a documentary or some DVD that they're trying to get churches to promote at least

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I know because my dad's a pastor he gets these things free Sometimes I'll just send them in the mail. So what makes what you're doing different than some of the other

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Exposes of Planned Parenthood that have been put out there before Yeah, yeah, so I touched on the answer to that question earlier

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John, but let me repeat it because it's really really really important Okay, unless the church flatulent

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Becomes the church militant. It will become the church irrelevant And by militant,

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I don't mean like picking up arms and going in to kill Democrats. Okay. No one's calling for that Okay I mean,

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I mean as an analogy for militant and righteousness right militant in your zeal for righteousness in the public square and for for being

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Unapologetic in accruing power For good as the other side does John do accrue power for a wicked agenda, right?

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But but if you try to get power at the political level and you're a Christian and you're like, this is insane We're lopping off the genitals of kids and we're murdering third trimester babies that you know

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Yeah, then, you know, Rick Warren and David French call you a Christian nationalist and Phil Vischer appears in Rob Reiner's new documentary

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I mean, it's like no. No, it's like listen as Bonhoeffer said power is to serve Responsibility.

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Okay. It's a beautiful line from Bonhoeffer power is to serve responsibility Yes, we want to get power because we want to use it for good means

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John to stop this insanity that's happening And so this ministry was worth by and for the church I I guess what makes us different than some of the other ministries, which

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I'm not gonna attack any ministries or name any names I mean these ministries do wonderful work to save save a lot of babies

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And if you're saving babies you're doing you're doing some good work, even if there's other issues going on But what makes us unique is that we're a ministry completely for the church

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Now listen, I won't even hire someone as a w -2 employee. That is not aligned with our statement of faith

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We're actually a Christian organization John so I can actually hire and fire based off of the Religious statement that you have to agree to and sign and you would love it

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It's like very good and so that was important to me because I didn't want to have any mission drift or I didn't want to have any plans that Ended up getting in the organization and causing trouble.

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This has happened to a lot of ministry So we are an unapologetic evangelical Protestant organization

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John But I'll work with Catholics I'll work with I'll work with pagan atheists if they're like, hey

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Let's save babies and stop abortion, but we are a ministry by and for the church So everything we do whether it's the films the books the curriculum the courses

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Activism events in the public square the call to action is is is host a screening of the film and launch a white rose chapter

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In your city. So what we're doing with the growth of this film John That's already like we have hundreds of churches lining up for screenings and we only launched two days ago three days ago

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For the church tour that we're doing so I'm doing 11 mega churches around the country God doesn't care about numbers, but I have to prioritize the biggest opportunity

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So I'm doing 11 big churches around the country starting two days ago or Friday June 5th,

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June 14th through the end of August all around the country You can if on that website if you press attend a screening you'll actually see my dates

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But we've got hundreds others now lining up to host it themselves at their own church and we're gonna have a white rose rep at most of the screenings to invite people to join the white rose resistance as an ally at $35 a month and that just helps fund the creation of documentaries and the creation of activism kits that we actually send donors

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So that they're equipped all to start launching these chapters around the country And so these chapters will be served by our national organization

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With the training and equipping to do activism to do educational events in the public square

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And and this is a word the church has not been comfortable with right John activism Right, that's I mean years ago

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You remember with Operation Rescue a lot of churches didn't want to support some of the the people that were engaging in civil disobedience

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Because the the church is not comfortable with with activism. It doesn't they thought it wasn't very Christlike It wasn't very nice right

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John And so we're not calling for people to break the law But we are calling for for the church to get involved in activism events in the public square

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We'll probably to undercover reporting there's a lot of things we're building a white rose resistance also that the church is pushing back against the culture of death and Planned Parenthood's agenda for both pre -born and born children in the in the city and community that God's given them

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Dominion. So I would say that's what makes us unique, bro Is that is that actually I actually won't even hire a Catholic as a w -2

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And we actually we have a Catholic as a contractor like I love my Catholic brothers and sisters and I believe so many of them

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Are saved and they're doing good work. Yes, I believe some Catholics can be saved Okay, guys, it doesn't mean they all are just like not every

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Protestant who says they're a Protestant is saved We're gonna work with these people, but we are an evangelical

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Protestant organization to get the church back engaged in the culture war, which was always a proxy war for a far deeper spiritual war

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Yeah, so so here's a follow -up for that. So the documentary itself I've heard for years in some of these other films and materials have been put out there

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Margaret Sanger pit terrible person right to just summarize and And then there's a line that's usually like Nazi Germany and then today's

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Planned Parenthood and a Democrat Party, right? So this is an a narrative that's been weaved many times.

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So is are you reweaving it in a better way? Are you saying something different in this particular documentary that hasn't been said before like why should people go attend your screening for your film?

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Yeah, so so I John I've been I've been fighting abortion since I was about 18

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Really since I was a fetus because my my mom was pregnant with me while leading a pregnancy center So, um,

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I've been I've been a pro -life. I didn't know that Wow. I was a fetus Yeah She my mom was Directing a pregnancy center in the late 20s in Los Angeles County before she got married and then

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Continued to after she got married and I was the firstborn So I've been swimming in these waters quite literally for a long time.

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So I'm aware of all the projects you're talking about There's Mafa 21. Yeah, there's yeah, that's the one everyone thinks of that That's more of a history of sort of racism and black genocide

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And so it touches on Planned Parenthood and Sanger, but it touches on other issues as well. It's incredible by the way, it's incredible It's a bit older And so there's not as much sort of 21st century animations and Artistic bent that unfortunately you have to to get the attention of young people today

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Okay, I'm telling you it's a wonderful documentary I'm not I would never say anything negative about Mafa 21

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It's just it was a long time ago. And then so so we wanted to make more up -to -date animations and really sort of High high quality film for the 21st century and beyond that most people in the church

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John actually have not learned much about that. They hear the claims, right? They like like Margaret Sanger inspired

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Hitler, you know, or it's like as I go Well, can you can you like back that up or you know prove that or are you get you get the conservative

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Christians on Facebook? right who were like Margaret Sanger had a board member.

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There was a KKK It's like no one brings any like history or proof or receipts to back these things up And then the only other major project would be

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George Grant in the late 1980s who published the book Grand Illusions The legacy of Planned Parenthood and then later he published a small biography on singer called killer angel

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And if you're listening to this and you listen to John Harris regularly, you may you probably know the name. Dr. George Grant John I found almost no one does today.

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And so I am answering your question I'm taking longer because I think it's really really important to answer your question with a lot of power because We're living in insane days.

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And I'm 32 years old John and I I don't know how this happened

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I do it's a god thing, but I'm saying I don't know how this happened But I've spoken to more pulpits on Sunday mornings not not to share about my ministry

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I'm talking like to preach for 50 minutes I've preached in more pulpits in the last three years on the issue of pro -life and the unborn than anyone in the world

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That I'm aware of I don't know how God has opened these churches and opportunities to me.

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I feel kind of spoiled I feel really honored. I'm not a pastor. Okay, I I didn't go to Ed Stetzer seminary

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Talbot Sorry talk about that other time. I thought you might take a shot Megan Basham's coming on my show next month finally and and and it's about time

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I have that a long overdue conversation with her and have her just bless my listeners with what she knows and what she's revealing

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Anyways, I digress so I I didn't I didn't get an MDiv. I I went to Westmont Santa Barbara I'm a religious studies major, but I didn't

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I didn't do higher education learning But I I'm a I read a lot, okay, probably not as much as you

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But I read a lot and I found that the church in America today doesn't know very much about those warriors and heroes of The the late 20th century that was doing the work on some of these issues that I am now

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That the how did we get here questions, right? The ideas have consequences bad ideas have victims questions, right the exposés on on cultural

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Marxism and the sexual revolution You know, you got the Francis Schaeffer's obviously, but I found that almost nobody knows

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Who dr. George Grant is he's become a friend an advisor to me and a mentor and he's actually the one

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Featured the most on screen other than myself in this film the 1916 project

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And so nobody has taken dr. George Grant's work from the late 80s and early 90s

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And kind of presented it on a digital silver platter for the next generation

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The heat at one point Grand Illusions John was the best -selling book in the pro -life category ever at one time and Most people

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I meet don't even know who he is And George Grant's probably the smartest human

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I know and that I've ever met And so it was really important for me to to to take his learning his citations his receipts his proof his research on the history of Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood and Really present it to the next generation in this beautiful documentary

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For all ages, but really to make sure we captured those significant pieces of how we got here for my generation in the next generation and so What makes it unique?

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Well one, I don't think I actually don't think there's been a project that's captured the disgusting sordid history of the culture of death and the abortion industrial complex

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And in a sort of on a silver platter all the disgusting pieces in one place But in a way that's digestible with up -to -date animations and film and cinematography so that was one reason and then the second is we don't just tell the stories of bad evil people and Just just do a historical throw -up of like all these evil people do an evil crap for 50 years

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We've we finish with the stories of heroes of those of the heroes of the white rose resistance in Nazi Germany Who were who were fighting the same ideology and the same ideas and and and by the time you watch the film?

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It's very clear to the viewer that it is the same ideology. It is the same philosophy It is the same view of human beings that both

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Sanger and Hitler had right? Maybe Sanger had more of a scalpel approach to eugenics while Hitler had more of a sledgehammer approach to eugenics

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But they believed the same things and they were animated by the same kinds of ideologies And so we finished the film with the story of hope and with the story of the heroes of Christian resistance

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To rebuild Christian resistance in America before it's too late. And so we can talk more about why did

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I do 1916? What is 1916? Yeah, I sound like 1619, but but just to answer your first question, that's what makes it unique And so we just we just did our red carpet premiere and we just kicked off our first church tour on June 14th

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And now I'm going to jeez. We're doing San Clemente, Atlanta San Jose Phoenix Albuquerque Where else at Denver and a couple in Southern California, yeah, they're all right there

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So those those are the the megachurches that are having me out in person to screen it but any church in America can screen it and and I might

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I might be able to zoom in live and chat with the pastor On zoom after a screening or one of my team can be there, but this is gonna be huge This is gonna be massive.

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So we kicked off with Allie Bestucky It's my special guest a few days ago and some of these screenings you might see people like Brandon Tatum David Harris jr

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Eric Metaxas Abby Johnson, dr. George Grant Frank Turek. You might see some some fun guests on the road.

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So All right, sounds good. Thank you for Giving us a full picture of what people can expect

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So for viewers who are streaming right now, if you have questions, you can leave a comment on YouTube Facebook I believe you can also do it on X and I will ask

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Seth as we go through some of the history and the message that he's conveying in this book and documentary

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So the obvious question to ask first before we get into any of the other history is the title because 1916 in fact someone already in chat is asking is this any relation to the

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Irish Easter Rebellion of 1916? Which I was assuming it's probably not. No. Okay.

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All right. So why 1916? No, I think it was another one of those cool moments of Providence John.

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I was with my team April of last year so April 2023 and we were at a creative writing retreat to plan our big projects and I was explaining this idea

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I had which is the 1916 project I just didn't have a name for it yet. And I was explaining this project and my chief of staff said

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You know what? You're explaining sounds a lot like the New York Times 1619 project but like the right way like the good like the good version like it sounds like it sounds like the 1619 project as it should have been if the

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New York Times wasn't filled of gay communists That that sounds like what you're explaining and I and so I paused and then

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I had that that moment of revelation and I freaked out and I said guys Margaret Sanger opened her first clinic in 1916

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That's that's the event. That was this sort of Massive spiritual political and cultural stake in the ground

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To which we can trace most of the evil junk Unfolding before us at such a rapid rate in America John and so let me let me prove that um

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Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in the world They're also the largest provider of that pornographic comprehensive sexuality education in the public schools, bro

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That's bringing all those angry mama bears and papa bears to school board meetings And if you watch John Harris guys,

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I'm sure you know what I'm talking about I mean, we're talking like gay sex cartoon drawings and an anal and let me just stop there

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It's basically they leave no sexual stone unturned Because they believe that like Kinsey that children have sexual rights

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And so if they have sexual rights Then they also have the right to all of the information that comes along with exercising their quote -unquote sexual rights

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Every groomer and pedophile believes this it all goes back to Kinsey. We reveal that in the book and film as well well, guess what

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Planned Parenthood claims on their own website John that they're the largest provider of Comprehensive sexuality education, which is not about the birds and the bees.

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It's it's one of the liturgical arms of the religion of humanism It's it's it's libido dominandi

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Sexual liberation is political control and we have to we have to sexualize the next generation break down their innocence and mores first And then they'll be easier to control.

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Oh, and by the way, then they'll have a ton of sex Which means I'll probably need abortions So Planned Parenthood largest abortion provider in the world largest provider of that porn sex that in the schools and Bro, as of last year,

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I have a leaked memo from Planned Parenthood admitting this to one of their own

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Really? They are now the second largest provider second largest provider in America of cross -sex hormones and puberty blockers

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So how is it that one organization John is? All three of those things the largest provider of baby killing in the world the largest provider of porn

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That calls itself sex ed in America's public schools, and they're now almost

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They're almost the largest provider of chemically castrating drugs for America's gender -confused youth.

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So what are the major issues in the culture right now that have parents and godly laypeople lay

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Christians like concert I Would say probably let's see transgenderism killing babies and the sexualization of children in America those not the three minutes

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Yes, we can talk about critical race theory and some of this other stuff. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, and and medical apartheid we can talk about in home and we talk about but that but the three major issues

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Are those three men are those three issues? All the Democrats are saying that 2024 is gonna be a referendum on abortion

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That's right. So so I think we have to go like well then how the hell did we get here?

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And so then here's where it gets interesting When I realized it's 1916 not 1619

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I Then realized that it was the disciples of the 1619 project that tried to cancel the legacy of 1916

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Let me say that again It was the disciples of the 1619 project that tried to cancel the legacy of 1916 and here's what

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I mean by that in summer of 2020 after you know during the mostly peaceful somewhat fiery BLM arson riots protests

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You had the canceling of anything that the liberal establishment claimed was

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Racist you remember this John right and Jemima Remember all the things we had to cancel

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And you had all BLM right and which was by large mansions

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You know BLM and Candace Owens exposing all the fraud and how that money was actually used Anyways, they go they go do these shakedowns of corporate

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America or or institutions or companies that that may be in some way BLM can say, you know back in the heritage and history of your company

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You had a racist writer or you did some racist things or you disenfranchised black black

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Americans And so silence is violence, you know Shut up do the work and and you gotta you gotta you gotta you gotta do something to make up for that racist heritage

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So so give us a ton of money right or we had to cancel all these people. Okay? Well, it was in that heated cancel culture

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BLM Marxist environment of 2020 that the revolution started to eat its own John you're the real historian in the room.

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It's not me You're the real historian, you know that revolutions always eat their own and so in July of 2020

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BLM put Planned Parenthood in their crosshairs It was one of the least covered news stories by conservative news media in my opinion in a long long time because of its significance

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And then what did they call those riots in 2020? They called them the 1619 riots.

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Remember this People dubbed them the 1619 riots because they're saying it's because of the legacy of 1619 when the first black slaves come to American shores, that should be our they said that should be

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America's birthday, right? You know this they said not 1776 1619 should be America's birthday and so then they started saying we got to cancel anything that's racist and then it was the disciples of the 1619 project and BLM that said in July of 2020

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Margaret Sanger was a racist and a eugenicist And this is hilarious

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John because conservatives have been saying this for decades. Yeah, and they ignored our critiques and attacks

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They whitewashed their witch they defended her and I mean Barack Obama got the

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Margaret Sanger Award guys Nancy Pelosi got the Margaret Sanger Award for goodness sake Kamala Harris has been featured but still has yet to secure the

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Margaret Sanger Award But they canceled the Margaret Sanger Award and in July of 2020 because of pressure from the pro abortion

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Marxist left Karen Seltzer the director of Planned Parenthood of Greater, New York said

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We're done making excuses for our founder and the damage that she did to communities of color

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They called her a racist and then they took her name off of their flagship

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Manhattan, New York City Sanger mega center was called the Margaret Sanger Health Center.

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They took her name off the building They said she was a racist and then New York City where you know Sanger got her beginning

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John Margaret's they have the Margaret Sanger Square on the corner of that Margaret Sanger Health Center Yeah, the city got rid of the sign called the

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Margaret Sanger Square. So the city canceled Sanger Planned Parenthood canceled Sanger They're patron saint and we're supposed to go about John like nothing just happened

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This is one of the most interesting news stories in decades because I could show you

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New York Times articles CNN MSNBC ABC Washington Post Democracy Dyes in Darkness for decades

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Carrying water for Margaret Sanger and then they canceled her. So this leads to a very interesting question

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What was so cancel worthy about her because you defended her for decades and now out of nowhere

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What so what changed what's the real story? Behind the patron saint of feminism and one of the largest 501c3s in human history

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Planned Parenthood if they've lied to you about their Patron saint what else are they lying to you about and so in 1916

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Margaret Sanger opens her first clinic That is the beginning of one of the largest best -funded and most profitable 501c3s in human history the largest abortion provider in the world the largest provider of porn sex that in the schools and the second largest provider of chemically

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Castrating transgender drugs for America's gender confused youth. Yeah, it's not 1619 that explains our current cultural moment

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It's 1916 from which we can trace most of the rot unfolding before us in America. Yeah.

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Yeah good Presentation there and Framing of the whole issue. It's interesting because I was down there.

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I lived like two hours north of yeah We and I was with some a pro -life group or anti -abortion group that Was doing some sidewalk counseling and prayer outside that clinic and this was back

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I don't want to a few months ago It wasn't that long ago and I remember Walking to the clinic and the guy who was taking me goes.

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Oh, yeah they just changed the name of this not long ago because of the connection with racism and I had a

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Famous Christian historian. I will not say his name But I remember he had emailed me when the same thing

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I think happened in Boston It was in another city in the Northeast where they had taken down I don't know if it was a statue or a plaque, but it was something honoring

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Margaret Sanger and he thought yeah Hey, this is this is great. Actually, like maybe we should

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Re -evaluate some of our history and stuff and I remember my first thought was Like, you know,

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I get it as far as like Sanger's a bad person. We've been trying to expose Hey, like eugenics wasn't good.

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The progressive movement wasn't good and a lot of things that now modern liberals and leftists think are somehow acceptable or Institutions that we're still with that they're still operating in like they're out of sequence

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They're they're out of touch with some of the foundation. And so it's it's a battle I think we've wanted to see at the same time though.

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I just think it's ironic that like oh wait, hold on She let's just say murdered and and set the tone to murder millions and millions of people like a genocide that Stalin could not have even imagined and yet it's because she said some insensitive things about black people at one time that were like What does that say about us?

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Right? That's right. Like that's ridiculous. Like what she said about minorities Hasn't like it is nothing compared to the havoc that she is.

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Yep I make that point in the chapter one of my book and you just you kind of made my point really beautifully

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I almost wish I had quoted you instead of me. You said that beautifully John But I make that point in chapter one of my book I said basically they acknowledged in 2020

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John that the roots were racist and bad But the tree would continue to grow unfettered is basically what they said, right?

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But she was a racist and super evil and and she harmed communities of color But also also we we murder more black people every 14 days

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Than the KKK. Yes. Yes. We're gonna continue growing and watering the tree that she planted

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But we've acknowledged that the roots are bad now, but nothing will change. Okay, America That's basically what

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Planned Parenthood said in 2020 and and and here's the irony right? Here's where it gets funny By the way, you know, what's that saying? If the left didn't have double standards

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John they wouldn't have any standards at all and it's like ha ha ha ha It's so funny. We all see how true that statement is

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But but let me just bring a little bit of kind of rigor to that What was what was sort of the philosophical basis of the 1619 project?

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I mean, you probably know better than me as a historian John the claims of critical race theorists right as it pertains to the race issue is that If something can be traced back to a heritage of racism, then you can't redeem that thing right that the seed is so bad

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That you can't change the seed It has to be burned down.

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The thing has to be ripped out actually and and and Everything rebuilt from the ashes.

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I mean if you don't believe me just just read Ibram X Kendi Okay, just read the claims of BLM's website before they made it less inflammatory

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Just listen to people like Alicia Garza But you know one of the co -founders of BLM it is how these people speak all the time literally the 1619 project was called a new

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Founding don't you remember that was the subtitle of the 1694 a new founding? So 1776 isn't our birthday

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Our real founding was 1619 when the first black slaves came to Eastern Shores because we're so racist and horrible

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That that's our real birthday. Our birthday is racism And so what what was what did they do with the 1619 essays you remember

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John they they they they attempted to Trace the legacy of 1619 to everything today to met to medicine to doctors to the law to police and Black women's health right if black women are fat it's because of racism

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Yeah, exactly disparities equals inequity. It equals inequality, right? That is what they did with everything

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So they're acknowledging that you can't redeem a thing That's allegedly birthed in Racism the whole thing has to be rebuilt to which

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I then said now start with Planned Parenthood, right? We see the double standards, right? They're not willing to apply those that same sort of ethos or belief to their own sacred cows

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If what they believe is true in the 1619 project then Planned Parenthood has to not only be defunded

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The entire company has to be shut down Okay, John and and after you read my book and watch my film

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You will walk away saying the same thing By the way, if you don't if you don't believe me now, just go post a screening at your church right now

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Or go pre -order the book. It's shocking shocking stuff. Maybe in the next few minutes. I'll share a couple of those shocking things, but Wait, are you telling me

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John that it was never about philosophical consistency that that CRT and 1619 and racism is just a cudgel used

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To hit their political opponents over the head, but they don't actually believe or apply any their their same premises So their same side of the political aisle

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Yes, okay Yeah And so this project and book kind of rips the cover off of the hidden the hidden History of the secular moral revolution and here's the last statement on that John Again, why did

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I do this? Because I have I have not yet found a more powerful way to awaken the moral and spiritual intuitions of Christians and get them to Live differently then then explaining how we got here

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I don't I don't know if that's just our current cultural moment or if that's a God thing But I dude I've been a pro -life speaker since I was like 18.

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I've been speaking on stages since I was 19. I For years. I had a hard time figuring out how to get people to live differently like okay

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They went to their pregnancy center to volunteer and package up diapers Okay, that's that's very sweet But like I'm talking about actually doing something in your community to stop the killing of babies and I have so far

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I have been able to mobilize thousands of Christians in Southern California We've launched love life chapter. Love life is a dear ministry partner of mine.

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That's who I was in Manhattan Yeah, I well I brought love life to Southern, California, but and I love but I'm not trying to my own horn

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I love Justin reader and love light in the whole team. I would die on the field for them I adore them But before I launched my own ministry

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I I brought love life to Jack Gibbs Pastor Jack Gibbs and that became the first church partner for love life in the entire

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West Coast I did a love life conference with 1 ,200 people pastor Jack Gibbs Church And that led to dozens of love life church partners across Southern, California Like that that's what

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I want people to I want people to live differently and get involved and so far the most powerful way I found to do that from pulpits being a communicator and a speaker is

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Explaining how we got here giving giving the theological but also the political and historical details behind The culture of death and and what was the seed?

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What was the seed of that culture that how did we really get here? and so most Christians walk up to me after a sir after a

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Sunday John and this is really sad, but but they say Seth I've never heard any of that before about Lothrop stoddard

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Madison Grant Leon Whitney And Antonio Gramsci Pete Buddha judge

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Who else Ernst Rudin Thomas Malthus, I mean most

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Christians have no idea about the the sort of the architects of the culture of death and How much they wanted to replace

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Christendom with something fresh and new Most Christians don't realize how regressive

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Progressivism is and once they see how spiritual and fundamental fundamentally theological that culture war is

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John They want to get involved it's amazing like and I think post 2020 people are just more willing to fight because they see what time

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It is and so I've just been blessed to be able to be able to mobilize people like I've never seen anyone else do before and Christians are hungry to act and they want to do something on this issue more than ever before And so it's the what it is is it's the sons of Issachar actually

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John The men who understood the times So they knew what

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Israel ought to do That's the only line about the sons of Issachar in First Chronicles.

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But what what's the flip side of that statement if you don't understand the times Then you won't know what the people of God ought to do

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We need men and women who understand the times we live in so that we know what to do Yeah, good word.

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So I want to get to some questions because we already are almost 40 minutes in and There are people leaving questions.

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Some of them have some pushback in them So I'll just pitch them to you and then if we have time Maybe you can reveal some of those things that you talked about or and I have a million questions and things

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I'd love to ask which we don't have probably time for but Let's start with Anita Smith who says money pro -life orgs portray the abortion mother as a victim thought so Seth Do you agree that the mother who chooses to have an abortion is a victim?

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Yeah, so so parents who kill their own children are not victims as it turns out

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But also let's add a little bit of nuance to that. Okay, I I'm not like some of the other pro -life organizations that say the woman is the second victim

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And so she should and so when abortions illegal Parents should never be criminalized. I do not believe that I think that the law is a teacher and if you don't punish those who kill babies, you'll never stop it

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Making it illegal and then never punishing the lawbreakers Turns out you're teaching the culture that you can break the law.

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Nothing will happen Okay, so like so I don't believe that but but also we do need to acknowledge

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Okay, that that that the abortion industry has been lying to women for a long long time now now some people will say but Seth Eternity is written on the heart of man common grace the conscience

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Deep down women know what they're doing. They know it's a baby Okay, I tend to agree with that.

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I think most women know that it's a baby But I've also met enough women who are post abortive obviously being in this movement

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John Who have said that you know They got an abortion at four or five weeks right after they found out they were pregnant

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And that this was in the 70s and 80s and they they believed the lie and I know these women well enough to know that that that that they're not lying to provide

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Philosophical cover for their sins. It's not it's not an act to seek to justify the behavior. These are women who have repented

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And had to go through a lot of healing But they say that they believe the lie of five weeks that it wasn't a baby yet and turns out we weren't teaching very very

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Good embryology or the science of human development in public schools shocker And that they just believe the lie and they didn't know so We also can't say that that's not real

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So, I think I think some women have bought certain lies a lot of people have been deceived

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What's what's one of those lies? They say that abortion is four times safer than childbirth Did you know that's like a super common phrase in the abortion is we planned parented parents at all?

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Yeah, they say giving birth is four times more dangerous than ripping your child out of your uterus through an abortion

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And so what are you teaching women you're teaching them that if they have a high -risk dangerous pregnancy They should always abort because that's way safer for them than giving birth

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So there are lies that have been very damaging and so women have been victimized Oftentimes by the abortion industry

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But no when you when you pay someone to kill your baby or when you order poison pills online called are you for 86?

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Which by the way came from kind of the Nazis which I can talk about that you're and you want to kill your baby Yeah, yeah, you're not a victim.

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Okay, so we need but we obviously we need to have love We need to come at rally around people the pregnancy centers already do that But abortion does need to be banned and made illegal at the federal level and there has to be

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Punishments for if you kill your baby or else everyone will just keep killing their babies. Yeah. Yeah good. So the next question is from Lynn and she wants to know about your opinion of the

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ERLC and others letters to Louise Louisiana legislatures against making women liable for abortion

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Which that was good. Yeah, I think a year. Yeah, maybe more than that. Maybe it's two years ago Yeah, you probably know more about that even than me.

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But yeah, Brent Leatherwood is who CS Lewis meant when he said men without chests Okay, let me just say that that man is a pathetic excuse for a human and for a male he should step down in disgrace and he should apologize to his wife and children for being a coward and to the rest of the

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Church that he led astray and all of the SBC churches that tied to which allows the the Southern Baptist Convention in the year

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I'll see to exist in the first place for betraying his constituents That's what he should do And why the heck was he behind trying to make sure the manifesto of the trans?

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Nashville shooter didn't get released what the heck is going on at the ERL see well I can provide a little answer to that.

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It was right. It was led by Russell Moore Okay so bad seed bitter harvest bad seed bitter harvest if the year

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LC is just Reaping the harvest of the bad seed that they had through their president Russell Moore for years Okay, so so that was disgusting what they did why in the world would the year

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LC oppose an abortion ban is ridiculous So yes, did I did I speak clearly enough?

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That's good. I think we're good on that one next one from I don't even know how to pronounce this civ civis

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Lee minded the cancellation is so they can take so I think he's talking or She's talking about Canceling Margaret Sanger is so that they can take her off the label as a cudgel for the right and they can act like they agree

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So they agree now. Yeah, so that I answered that already, right? It's like it's yeah. Okay. Yeah, she's racist Well, then well then if she is due to Planned Parenthood what you insisted every other racist corporation

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Allegedly should do in 2020, which is like actually get brand new leadership and replace everything completely cancel the heritage

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But notice they don't apply that to Pam One of the things I don't care I'll jump in and add this because I saw this before the show

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I just took like five minutes I wanted to I would specifically wanted to look this up to see what Planned Parenthood was saying about Margaret Sanger and whatever legacy she had especially on Eugenics race

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Nazism all those kinds of things and they do have still on their website a fact sheet that is intended to answer

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Claims against her and and some of it I mean I think you mentioned before that there's people who will ignorantly go online for the pro -life or anti -abortion cause who will sometimes say things

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That just aren't they don't square with what we know historically. And so I think

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Planned Parenthood likely does take advantage of those situations when We overstate our case when we say things like, you know,

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Margaret Sanger. There's a direct line. She inspired Hitler Well, not exactly. It's not like a direct line in the sense that like she was there

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Rocking Hitler. Yes, they were they were they weren't writing letters to me. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. So John. Yeah, let me be clear Okay, there's no proof or evidence that Margaret Sanger ever

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Exchanged letters with Adolf Hitler There's no proof that they communicated and that he thanked her for founding the

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American Birth Control League later renamed Planned Parenthood But what if I told you this? It's almost that bad

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It's actually it's actually almost that bad. Okay. Well, I was about to say their eugenics program was modeled after Sanger though That's yeah, but I know the connection.

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Yeah. Yeah, it goes really really really bad. Okay, and worse than that Is it more close than even that? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely

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So I can I can give a little one or two stories right now unless you want to do more questions. No, it's fine Yeah, so so so one of them

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Okay, here we go. I'll give away this Easter egg Okay and by the way if you want if you really want the In -depth if you're if you're kind of like John and you like to research and study and know more my book is only about a hundred

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And seventy five pages, but it has two hundred and twenty or thirty citations Because I wanted to make sure that I provided all the receipts to back up my claims and and so that you the

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Christian who Reads this can back up your claims as well And so so what I'm about to share with you you can find proved and point to with the receipts in my new book

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You can pre -order that book right now at the 1916 project comm Don't go to Amazon. Okay, they hate babies and they hate our beliefs

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And so go to the 1916 project comm to pre -order your copy right now One of these you're saying by the way,

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I appreciate that so not not yeah Not to knock every author who uses Amazon, but thank you.

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So go ahead. Sorry so Margaret Sanger's first board member one of her founding board members

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Like I'm talking like the first like board members in 1921 when the organization was founded. His name was

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Lothrop stoddard John Lothrop stoddard was a high official of the

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Massachusetts Ku Klux Klan He was actually their Grand Wizard so Founding board member of Planned Parenthood was the high

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Grand Wizard of the Massachusetts KKK He wrote a book called the rising tide of color against white world supremacy

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He wrote another book called the revolt against civilization the menace of the under man the menace of the under man

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His writings on eugenics were featured in German school textbooks

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He was so influential on many high -ranking officials of the

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Third Reich that Lothrop stoddard was invited to Nazi Germany in 1939

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By the Third Reich And he went he met with Himmler He met with he actually had a brief meeting with Hitler He met with Hans Gunther and Robert lay and He's the only

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American on record To have had a one -on -one meeting with Hitler after he rose to power the only

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American to have been given that level of access to the Third Reich and A one -on -one meeting with the

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Fuhrer Was the founding board member of Planned Parenthood, bro. Okay then

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Hans Gunther a German race anthropologist and actually One of Hans Gunther's books on eugenics was was some of Hitler's prison time reading

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Okay so remember he has this failed coup attempt in Munich and he spends nine months in prison and during those nine nine months

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Hitler's pouring over the writings of several of singers Very good friends

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Some of whom which he shared office spaces with Because the American Eugenics Society used to share office spaces with Planned Parenthood when it was founded

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John Okay, it's like so gnarly. I'll get a history. So Hans Gunther one of Hitler's henchmen and his favorite authors

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Referred to Lothrop stoddard as one of the spiritual fathers of Nazi Germany.

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I Have that citation I have that German article where he referred to Sanger's board member as one of the spiritual fathers of Nazi, Germany the other man

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He called a spiritual father of Nazi Germany was Madison Grant The co -founder of the American Eugenics Society who wrote for singers magazine

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Fundraised with her shared office spaces with her and spoke at each other's conferences Madison Grant whose book in 1916 bro.

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Sorry, I accidentally get that but we'll get to that Hitler called his his Bible Okay, so so his

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Madison Grant's assistant Leon Whitney tried to get Sanger to merge her organization with the

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American Eugenics Society She said let's just make them the same company the same organization Leon Whitney's boss is

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Madison Grant and one day they both got letters from Adolf Hitler Thanking them for their writings on eugenics

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One of which was Madison Grant's book the passing of the great race also published in 1916, which

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Hitler called his Bible And saying you're like endorsed the Buck versus Bell decision

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Which was a mandated sterilization of those considered a threat to the gene pool in America, which that which the

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Nazis? Cited in their defense at the Nuremberg trials as if to say you

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Americans were doing eugenics before us So that's just a little bit of that. Yeah, I didn't in time.

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No, I'm paranoid in the Third Reich Yeah, I didn't know about a lot of those connections But yeah, it definitely sounds like there was some sharing of notes there on and a shared understanding of racial dynamics and And you know one of the solutions to what they saw as their problem

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Anthony Faba asked a question and this is related. I do you have to go soon or no? Yeah, we've been going about 15 minutes here, so I'm gonna try to get through a number of these questions

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Anthony Faba asks, so is this just a left are the real racist Nazis? argument, so Which yeah,

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I'm assuming you're familiar with that kind of line of argumentation and the people who kind of get sick of that So what do you what do you say to someone who's like?

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are you just trying to portray the left as the real racist or Nazis and in so doing kind of like For frame our side as like the anti -racist

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Crusaders the real anti -racist Crusaders and and then kind of buy into the left's framing on this or right and Yeah, so yeah, go ahead.

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Whatever you have to say the right has done for a long time, right? It's because we're so sick and tired of being called racists

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And then so so what you're what this guy's referring to is that like that guttural response of like, you know? Oh, yeah, you know then tell me about you know

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The Rockefellers and Matt and Madison Grant and Margaret Sanger it turns out you're the real racist, right?

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And it's this whole like you're racist. No, you're racist. No, you're racist. I'm exactly you so so no, that's not what this is

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I just followed I just followed the evidence where it went. And so GK Chesterton's best friend

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Hilaire block has this really good line he says to comprehend the history of a thing is to unlock the mysteries of its present and More to discover the profundities of its future

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In other words, we don't study history purely to know what happened then we study history to understand what's happening now and What will continue to happen moving forward if nothing changes and good people don't stand up To comprehend the history of something tell unlocks the mysteries of that ideology now in the present bad seed bitter harvest

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That's a biblical concept. And so obviously as a pro -life organization John and as a pro -life activist and speaker

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Obviously, I want to expose the sort of discussing history of Planned Parenthood in the abortion industry But it was always bigger than that, right?

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And and this is why many people actually get upset with me saying Seth you need to stay in your lane You know, why are you talking about other cultural issues?

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You should just stay in your lane and try to save the baby Well, but the culture doesn't work that way John It's not like I it's not like you can stay in the pro -life lane and just say we love babies and we shouldn't kill them

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Okay, praise God. We all love babies, but that's not how the architects of the culture of death operate It's not how the liberal establishment operates and it's not how the culture war works in America where everyone just stays in their cute little

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Lane and what's proof of this by the way Planned Parenthood? They're all like it there in 2020 They're all talking about how they're in bed with BLM Black Lives Matter They're all in bed with the trans stuff turns out the cultural revolutionaries who created this culture

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John don't stay quote -unquote in their lane To so much of the staying in your lane Approach to Christians has actually hamstringed us and it's hurt us because we're not understanding how the culture war operates and and how our opponents

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See their role in the culture war. And so, um, yes, I understood

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We needed to do the history of Planned Parenthood, but it was never just a history of Planned Parenthood It was the history of the attempt to turn over the standards of an entire civilization

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To tear down Christendom and replace it with something new. These people were all cultural

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Marxists. Okay They were all atheists. They all hated God Margaret Sanger once said

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John that the marriage bed is the most like perverted Thing in the social order.

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I mean this woman hated marriage. Yeah, she hated the Catholic Church She hated Christians hurt the mast of her first magazine said no gods and no masters

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So did I go into this just to say you're the real racist? no, of course not but but what but I just followed the evidence and when you see the history of the sexual revolution and Really what we should call the secular moral revolution

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It was not a movement of Christians. It was not a movement of conservatives Of course, you always had your useful idiots, right?

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You're Mitt Romney's and stuff. It was a movement of secular progressive Atheist God -hating

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Marxist revolutionaries and they told us what they were gonna do and they did it John and here we are

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Yeah, yeah, you know one of the things too. I figured I would mention this and maybe get your take on it It's not one of the questions in the list, but since I'm posting the podcast

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I get to ask my own So One of the things and I understand that connection to the

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Nazis which it's there, right? It's there and the left needs to give you a lot more to I'm sure

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I'm sure The thing is though to though that there's I could probably set up for you

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And maybe you've already done this in the book So you can talk about that if you have but you could set up all the civil rights leaders and you can show all the nice Things they said about Margaret Sanger and how she inspired them

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You could talk about how Dubois was on the advisory board for Planned Parenthood. Even the Negro Project Yeah, I mean and this is he is viewed as one of the big

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You know proto civil rights kind of leaders black power leaders and so, you know, there is this and it might even be a stronger or a since it's

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American a a larger group of people that you could potentially point to to say look at all these

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Quote -unquote civil rights guys who all seem to like Sanger up until 2020, you know, even just the

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Jesse Jackson's and Al Sharpton's and stuff. They're all praising Margaret Sanger so So that's also present there and and there's and there's also

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Disconnection I would think between Nazi Germany and Planned Parenthood in a sense that like Hitler. Yeah He was the what you talked about with eugenics is totally there and abortions and stuff

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But Hitler also wanted to cancel some of the sexual degeneracy because he thought it was bad for Germans in Berlin so like the first By some accounts the first transgender surgeries were in Berlin in the

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Weimar Republic And these so and Planned Parenthood seems to have taken a different, you know So so it does seem like it is a complex story, but you can see strong inspiration for what the

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Nazis did in eugenics strong inspiration Flowing into the civil rights movement

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I don't know if you have anything to say about that complexity because I'm wondering if that's what that question was kind of getting at was like hey, it can't just be like a one -on -one like Planned Parenthood Nazis bad, which is like how

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I think a lot of conservatives have tried to portray it It's like well, it is bigger than that.

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Like there's a lot and you said even Marxist which right? That's not fascist so like there's a mark there's a progressivism component in this so like Choosing 1916,

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I guess I'll I have to get to a question here. I'm making my points but getting to 1916 That's that's the genesis of something super and this is

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I want to see if you disagree with this in my mind super liberal like it is the manifestation of this two things autonomous

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My body my choice I can do whatever I want You shall never limit me in what

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I want to do and a baby's not gonna hang me up because I want pleasure, right? So this autonomous man,

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I am God and then the and I see that as like a big overarching thing And then number two and the government should enable me to pursue that So I want to see what you think about that because I see that as like the big thing

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We're still stuck with from right from the Planned Parenthood Progressive Era Margaret Sanger stuff.

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So yeah Well, it's it's not either or it's both and it's both but the history of the secular moral revolution and I'm talking about the really influential people right the people that we might call the

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Architects of the culture of death today, which by the way, there's a whole book called the architects of the culture of death It's a very good book Sanger has a whole chapter to herself

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Kinsey has a whole chapter to them. But but you know the the Hugh Hefner's the

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Alfred Kinsey's the Mary Calderon's the Margaret Sanger's Okay, some of the other men of the

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American Eugenics Society. Okay All of these people shared very similar beliefs.

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Okay, and and there's probably three I can name off the top of my head Not everyone is fit

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So so there are people that are there they're better. Actually, they're just better people They have better genes and We should have more of those people in America and we should have less of the people that we call unfit

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That's very constant. That's eugenics. Okay, it's very common belief system of most most of the revolutionary progressives of the 20th century whose fingerprints on today are very easy to trace a

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Second belief would be if it feels good do it Have a ton of sex

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And you don't want a baby to hamstring your lifestyle, so so Sanger's first publication

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Was called a woman rebel woman rebel and with the headline no gods and no masters actually she said that our ultimate objective is unlimited sexual gratification

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Without the burden of unwanted children and quote there you go The first publication by Sanger, is that not a statement that represents the entire culture today

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I want to do what feels good and I don't want to be held responsible for my sexual choices and that third belief system

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Probably shared by all these progressives Would be a hatred of Christianity in the church and along with that would come this belief in sort of this occult agnosticism right this this sort of like That this but your body's kind of a prison for this for the soul and there's this there's this bifurcation

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There's this like difference between a body And and the person and the soul and that eventually brings us to gender theory

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And and actually their support of abortion as well because they say that the baby doesn't have moral characteristics

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Yet in the uterus that ground personhood. So it's a body but not a soul and that's that's narcissism again as well so the

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I found that those are kind of probably the sort of the demonic Trinity if you had to pick three that unites most of The the leftist revolutionaries of the 20th century, so it's not either or it really is both and but yes again there are there are nuances in terms of Progressivism and eugenics and that's the thing about eugenics, right

59:25

John. It's hard to kind of pin down because it always shapes and shifts Right, whoever the power class and elite are they tend to kind of define?

59:32

What are those characteristics that we believe are the uber mention right the Superman the superhuman and and what are those characteristics that define the?

59:40

Intervention right the subhuman which by the way, I forgot to say they got that phrase subhuman from Lothrop Stoddard's book

59:47

The menace of the under man, so Sanger's first board member. He wrote he wrote the menace of the under man Alfred Rosenberg the the

59:54

Nazi Party's chief racial theorist appropriated the German term Intervention in the in the

59:59

German translated version of Lothrop Stoddard's book about the threat of the under man

01:00:04

That's the first time we see the phrase subhuman as to refer to the Jews So yes, you heard me correctly Christian the

01:00:09

Nazis got the phrase subhuman from Margaret Sanger's first board member But it seems to me that's fascinating It seems to me that the one of the major things that's shifted and it is a big shift

01:00:20

Is that the people holding us back the under man? That this has become instead of based on a

01:00:27

Darwinian kind of genetic frame Is now based on more of an idealistic critical theory kind of infused social power dynamics frame

01:00:39

And so, you know the people who are holding us back now are not the racial minorities

01:00:44

In fact, they have a wisdom to share with us because of their oppressed experience. It's it's the white Christian males, right?

01:00:50

they're the ones that are really so it's like the class has changed as far as It's like with the finger shifted from we're pointing at an hour a point.

01:00:58

You just gotta prove my point Yeah It's very hard to attack to nail down because it's always shapes and shifts turns out when you don't ground

01:01:05

Morality and objectivism in God's order John it becomes a little bit difficult to figure out how it operates

01:01:11

It's all seems to be chaos funny how that works. And so that's true. So to your point John What are they doing now in America?

01:01:17

They're doing the same thing, dude You think it's a coincidence Christian that Planned Parenthood is sterilizing children through through cross -sex hormones and puberty blockers.

01:01:24

What why is why? Do you think that's a coincidence Planned Parenthood? Was birthed out of the sterilization eugenics movement

01:01:31

Margaret Sanger once said eugenics without birth control Seems to us a house built upon the sands.

01:01:36

It is at the mercy of the rising streams of the unfit end quote So she that's that's a verbatim quote.

01:01:42

I have unfortunately memorized these disgusting things for you So so she said I'm a eugenicist and we're trying to build a house called eugenics, right?

01:01:49

But she said eugenics without birth control is a house built on the sand which by the way She's using a biblical metaphor there bro the house built on the rock and the house built on the sand

01:01:57

So she said I I'm a eugenicist I'm building a house called eugenics actually, but I'm building it without birth control.

01:02:03

And so it's a house on the sand So I have to build my rock solid house of eugenics on the foundation of birth control

01:02:08

Which by the way is a coin sheet is a term Margaret Sanger coined the term birth control and she didn't mean helping poor black and brown women plan their parenthood.

01:02:17

She meant birth Control we want to control what kind of people are birth birth control was a tool in the eugenicist movement

01:02:24

And and she celebrated the sterilization laws in America that led to the forced sterilization of over 70 ,000

01:02:30

Americans Between California and New York in the in the years following the 1927 Supreme Court decision buck versus Bell So Planned Parenthood has been in bed with all the sterilize the poor people for ages and ages and ages

01:02:42

So, why do you think it's a coincidence that they're now sterilizing people who are chemically castrating transgender drugs? They're they're doing the same thing and now today the left is smearing

01:02:50

Christians is what the real threat to freedom and democracy And in this frame, you know homosexuality is such it's a great thing

01:02:57

You can do whatever you want and you don't actually produce any offspring from that relationship

01:03:02

So it's like you don't even have to do the eugenics because you're not producing anything It's that's why Kinsey John was an advocate for every form of sexual acts except heterosexual intercourse

01:03:16

Because Kinsey was also a eugenicist and he didn't want unlimited

01:03:24

Reproduction by those that he didn't like so it's interesting when you look at some of these weird sexual weirdos of the 20th century

01:03:30

It's like oh you were literally a cheerleader for all forms of sexual experimentation Except God's way

01:03:37

And so anyway, so there's a lot of crossover between all of this But but yeah eugenics always rears with always kind of rears its head with a different mask if you will

01:03:45

And so today Planned Parenthood is doing the same thing. The left today is doing the same thing Except now as you've rightly pointed out

01:03:50

It's it's they're now saying that the real heroes of the Republic are the people that they used to discriminate against right the minorities the poor and and Anyone that can trace a history of victimization, but it's like well, but you guys were the people behind victimizing those same people

01:04:06

So now they're saying that those people are the heroes and it's it's white Christian males or female Christian males

01:04:11

That are the real threat which kind of reveals what they've always believed. Yeah Christianity they hate the church and they want you to go away and if you won't go silent into that good night

01:04:20

Maybe we'll set up Bernie Sanders Re -education gulag camps again, and I'm actually kind of not kidding

01:04:25

Jordan Peterson's going through a digital kind of re -education He's being forced to do right now for saying things that are not politically correct.

01:04:32

I haven't heard about that. Really? Yeah, okay. Yep our evil top hat that's probably 20 years ahead of us in Canada's in America.

01:04:38

That's right in Canada He's being forced to go through re -education And so my question for American Christians John is how much longer until that digital required re -education?

01:04:48

Yeah is set up in a physical camp called a gulag again. And why would you believe that could not happen again, by the way?

01:04:54

Why would you believe that there's a pro -life gal from DC that just got four years and nine months in federal prison and bro

01:05:00

Next month in July John next month Gabe wrench is gonna go speak there in Nashville the Nashville 10 on the federal government's pushing 11 years for for allegedly blocking access to an abortion clinic door by singing psalms and hymns out loud

01:05:14

What why would you think they wouldn't continue to widen the net of the kind of Christians that they go after?

01:05:19

For opposing the secular moral revolution and standing for righteousness and faithfulness in the public square this stuff is happening

01:05:26

Really fast and we can trace it as part of the same movement the entire time I do think and if we had more time, maybe we could talk about you know

01:05:34

How IVF would you build a baby is factoring into this and I would love to so, you know

01:05:39

HR We have a gulag at every place of employment. That's major. It's called the HR department

01:05:44

I was about to say In our modern, you know, we think we're so enlightened we don't have gulags

01:05:51

We don't have slavery and it's like every major store you buy clothing at has sweatshop labor

01:05:57

Look at your iPhone like it's just we are so arrogant and we don't realize Most of the things we complain about from the past we are doing that thing and far worse.

01:06:06

Yeah, it's just we don't We've insulated Wow Anyway, alright, let's get to some of these questions because I know we're over an hour and I probably got to land the plane

01:06:15

But so this is some pushback and there's a number of comments like these from abolitionists.

01:06:21

So I'll just do this one Ask him that's you Seth If you didn't know why you refuse to openly speak in support of specific bill to abolish abortion in Kansas Where you're currently living so I guess you're in Kansas Why why are you?

01:06:36

I have no clue with the context of that. So I'll let you I Have called for the abolition of abortion at the federal level for years

01:06:44

And so I have supported it because I've been telling people we need to abolish abortion to be perfectly

01:06:49

Honestly, John some of your listeners don't like me and I don't like them I'm sick and tired of being told by some of the immediate tests that love

01:06:57

T. Russell Hunter I'm sick and tired of being told that What what if some of these people told me they delete all these comments by the way

01:07:03

T Russell hunters like deletes his stuff and his old comments and then he refuses to repent for it and then he says show me where I said that and it's like well, dude, you deleted it like but I'm Samuel say and I've talked about this

01:07:13

Okay, we remember what he was saying these things Hey, Seth and Scott Klusendorf. They don't want to abolish abortion because the loser speaking honorariums to which

01:07:21

I say screw you All my honorariums go to the ministry every church every conference.

01:07:27

It all goes to the ministry. I don't even take those anymore I believe abortion needs to be banned at the federal level

01:07:34

So does AJ Hurley? Who's been called nasty horrible things by many of the immediate tests on the

01:07:40

Jeff Durbin T Russell Hunter side of the aisle, by the way I have a ton of respect for Jeff Durbin ton of respect I haven't met him myself, but some of these guys have just turned out to be total a -holes and jerks

01:07:49

And I wouldn't even want to be your friend. Actually. I I spend my entire life trying to wake up the church to abolish abortion

01:07:57

I move my family to be closer to family so we could be healthier with how much I'm traveling birthing this ministry

01:08:03

I've called for the criminalization of abortion for years on the stages. I spoke at back to when

01:08:09

I was like 24 Fresh out of college I was giving talks and I would say that it needs to be banned and there has to be a punishment

01:08:18

What's wrong with a law that says if you kill an innocent human being there's penalties and you'll be punished And yet these people have continued to say that I don't support abolishing abortion

01:08:28

Simply because I'm willing to take incremental victories If you don't have the votes for an abolition ban right or an abortion ban for an apple here

01:08:36

I just want to make sure the questions answered So on are you saying that on the federal level you you would support an abortion ban but not on the state level or both?

01:08:44

Oh, well, well, well, you have to do the states to get to the federal level, right? We're not Yeah, we need that is it 38 states you're the historian is it 38 states for a constitutional amendment or 42

01:08:54

John I don't know if the top of my head actually for a convention of the states like Well, I don't think because you could do it through Congress or you could do it through a convention of the states

01:09:08

And I don't think a convention of the states things going to happen or that's a whole nother thing. But yes, yes Yeah, I can't remember.

01:09:14

I think it's yes every every state The church needs to wake up and ban. I've been saying this I don't know if these people don't listen to me or my to my podcasts, but I've been saying states have to ban abortion

01:09:24

I even before Roe v. Wade got overturned. I was saying that it's it's that it's it's

01:09:30

Immoral to ban abortion at the state level Although I have said in the past that I wasn't sure if that was gonna lead to civil war and the federal government going to civil war with a state that was

01:09:42

Abolishing abortion with a governor who signed it before Roe v. Wade got overturned. Yeah, I've raised concern before June 24th 2022 about how that would work

01:09:51

But but I've always believed it's the moral thing and now with the overturning of Roe v. Wade There are no excuses to ban abortion on the federal level.

01:09:58

So anyways, I'm sorry that I Answered your way, but bro. I I've been told that I I do this to make money off the blood of babies

01:10:05

That's on and that I don't want to actually ban abortion, you know, Seth Gruber he secretly doesn't want to ban abortion actually and why why because I Because I disagree with some of the immediate tests that that incremental victory is better than no victory, right?

01:10:20

Whereas they believe and I'm not misquoting them Okay, they've been they've some of them tried to pivot what they believe in but but Jeff Durbin T Russell hunter

01:10:27

These guys have been clear for years If if if if it is not a ban with no exceptions and if there's a rape or incest exception if there's anything like that John it's

01:10:38

Apostasy, I've been told by immediate test. It's apostasy for the Christian to vote for it They should be under church discipline if they vote for it

01:10:45

It's an abomination before the Lord and I have to repent they've told me For supporting an incremental bill if I can't don't have the votes for an abolition bill and if you believe that you're an idiot

01:10:57

And if you think I should be under church discipline go ahead call my local church here. I live in Kansas Go ahead and call my church

01:11:02

It's called Ottawa Bible Church. Go ahead and call them and go ahead and have the senior pastor put me under church discipline. Okay? All right.

01:11:08

Well, that was that was clear. I wanted to say you are right. We were both right actually it is two -thirds

01:11:14

So 38 states not not three -quarters and that's both in Congress and on the state level but more importantly maybe just briefly here, but Some people who aren't aware of this disagreement between some and I don't even know if it's all quote -unquote abolitionists but some organizations and what you're doing and Like they just and I have felt this way for a while kind of like like, okay

01:11:39

Why are we talking about this? Can't we just all get along? We all want to end abortion Do you see a way for this these disagreements?

01:11:47

He's very strong disagreements that exist in the anti -abortion movement To be somehow maybe put to rest with the greater common enemy, or is this just gonna be with us for a while?

01:11:59

I know it's gonna be with us for a while as long as long as it's long and listen like let me say it again I want to be I want to be as careful as I can

01:12:04

I I have so much respect for Jeff Durbin that guy's a warrior and I don't see him saying as much of the stuff as The t -wrestle hunter and free the state's crowd has said for a long long time

01:12:14

John But yeah, but that for the like you said for those who aren't familiar with it. It's basically like Should we only abolish abortion?

01:12:22

And accept no other kind of incremental victory legislatively Or should we take some incremental victories if that's the only win we could have in that moment on our way towards total abolition

01:12:33

But now there are some people who call themselves incrementalists and there are people Who feel like they're in a pro -life establishment and not a pro -life movement, huh?

01:12:40

There are like right -to -life groups and other pro -life groups where it's like well Why would you oppose the abolition of abortion at the state level?

01:12:45

Why would you oppose that right like that ER LC question? Like there are pro -life organizations who have opposed that John and you're like wait what right?

01:12:52

So so there are people who we should a lot of them and we should call out It's like they seem to be functioning more like like what these immediate tests think about me

01:13:00

They seem to be functioning as if they don't want to abolish abortion because they'll lose their job You do see pro -life or sometimes act like that that makes me sick

01:13:08

And I and I want to call and we call those people out anytime that we see that. Um so there are people like that right but that that debate is going to stay with us because The the radical immediate tests

01:13:20

John. Let me be very clear believe that I and my entire organization are in unrepentant sin

01:13:26

Okay, I'm using the words they use I'm trying I know it sounds intense But it's actually the words they say they believe that I am in unrepentant sin

01:13:34

For supporting an incremental approach Even though I'm gonna push for the abolition bill for the abortion ban

01:13:41

But but if you don't have the votes then let's say there's some babies right now. So if they believe

01:13:46

I'm in unrepentant sin The debates not going away Yeah, yeah.

01:13:52

Okay. All right switching gears here getting getting off the abolitionist topic real quick here Sabaton 288 says the eugenics program singer goes back to the

01:14:01

Theosophical Society of Helen Blatzky it is openly a cultic of agnostics or do you know anything about that because I know

01:14:08

The King of England right now King Charles is he is a theosophic as well

01:14:14

And I understand a number of elites adopt theosophy. I don't know how tight the connections there are but maybe you know more

01:14:22

Yeah, I have done some study on the theosophists and the theosophical society

01:14:29

And there there actually is some crossover to Margaret Sanger and some of the kooky sexual revolutionaries

01:14:35

There's a great book that exposes actually quite a bit of this in a book. It's a book called the

01:14:41

Sika Circle a Humanist revolution and I did a four -part series with the woman who wrote it.

01:14:47

She's in her 90s now She it was one of those books that kind of exposed it all right, right John Like all those dirty secrets of the sexual revolution in the 70s at the time and you're like, oh wow this woman did a research and I did a four -part thing with her on my podcast if you guys go to my youtube channel called the mom who exposed the sexual revolutionary cabal in 1976 and that's when she published her book in 1976.

01:15:08

And so yeah, there is so I can't speak too much to it But the the theosophical society I had actually operated the temple of understanding.

01:15:16

It was this futurist building in Washington, DC Does and it was designed to resemble the

01:15:21

Sun with with six rays Supposedly housing the religions of Buddhism Christianity Confucianism Hinduism Judaism and Islam And and so the the the the supporters of this temple of understanding that was run by the

01:15:39

Theosophical Society Called it a spiritual United Nations Right, so you kind of get that globalism right ecumenical.

01:15:46

Yeah. Yeah And so it was interesting Assisting in the operation of this temple of understanding was the

01:15:53

United Lodge of the Theosophists in New York Which used funds donated by the lucis trust to operate the temple of understanding and the lucis trust

01:16:03

Also maintained the UN's meditation room But the lucis trusts the lucis trust had a forerunner called the

01:16:10

Lucifer press But that published the Lucifer magazine John So Lucifer magazine was the official voice of the

01:16:17

Theosophical Society led by Annie Besant in 1891 Who changed the name to Lucifer magazine and then later changed the name of that magazine to the

01:16:25

Theosophist? And so there were a lot of these weird kooky sexual revolutionaries like Sanger Who had membership at the temple of understanding and and kind of who rubbed shoulders with some of these sort of demoniacs?

01:16:36

So that that's that's a little bit that I know about that. But yeah a little bit There turns out there's a lot of weird occult stuff

01:16:42

John turns out a lot of weird occult stuff Why did I had no clue they had a temple, you know in DC and stuff

01:16:48

So, you know a lot more about it than I do All right. Let me do this. There's two more questions

01:16:53

I want to get to and then I'll just give you the last word and we'll land the plane since we've been going For over an hour and 15 minutes, though I want to just get back to this real quick because and I know it might be an uncomfortable thing because we already talked

01:17:04

Already asked you this question, but the the abolitionist account wants to say that you dodged the question

01:17:09

So I'm gonna let you answer that whether you specifically I guess support and there there must be an individual bill in Kansas to ban

01:17:16

Abortion that there you didn't support enough or something So, I don't know if you you want to you don't have to but if you want to address that you can and then

01:17:24

I'll get to one last question okay, I Support the abolition of abortion.

01:17:31

I have recently moved to Kansas I've gotten to know the AG I'm doing all that I can to get to know people here

01:17:38

I travel nine to ten days a month on the road and I have three children under seven We recently bought our first house

01:17:45

I'm a member in my church Which I sadly hardly ever get to attend because I'm on the road trying to wake up the church around the country

01:17:51

I try to memorize the legislative bills on abortion all around The country because I have to speak in these states that I come into keynote banquets to speak at churches

01:18:00

So I have to know about the legislative landscape of the states that I'm speaking in and I have called for the abolition of abortion at every state level

01:18:09

Apparently, I didn't speak clearly enough to Kansas on my podcast And so now I'm a heretic and unrepentant sin from the immediate tests who didn't support it

01:18:17

Do you have three kids under seven and travel ten days a month on the road and have your kids tell you?

01:18:23

Please don't go on another work trip dad as you leave the house I'm very tired of being attacked by these people when

01:18:29

I'm trying to do what they're trying to do ban abortion at the federal level But yeah,

01:18:35

I just want to give you an opportunity. You can't make these people happy John So yeah, I just want to give you an opportunity to respond call my church put me under church.

01:18:42

Discipline. Yeah, I got it I think I thought under will be very happy. We all right. I think we had closed that chapter, but I Appreciate it.

01:18:49

All right. So yeah last question here that I want to get to is Let's just do this one because it's a it can flow right into promoting this particular documentary

01:19:00

Can you please leave a link to the four -part series? You mentioned Eureka Hope so you talked about a four -part series?

01:19:06

I'm trying to what yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I'll send it right now Yeah, put it on the

01:19:12

YouTube channel. We recently rebranded my podcast from unaborted to the

01:19:17

Seth Gruber show but here is Part three and I'll Drop it to you right now.

01:19:25

This is just the one I found by googling it But I think we've linked all of the other ones So or part we did on my audio podcast and on YouTube and I think it's on rumble as well and each conversation anywhere from 40

01:19:39

Anywhere from 25 to 50 minutes four parts Really interesting detail about kind of the

01:19:46

C kiss the sex ed revolution planned parenthood Some of the communists some of the

01:19:52

World Health Organization stuff. It's a really weird crazy history. There really is a hidden history And it's it's a book the author

01:19:59

I interviewed and it's called the C kiss circle a humanist revolution And C kiss was the

01:20:05

Sexuality Information Education Council of the United States founded by Mary Calderon Planned Parenthood's medical director with seed money provided by Hugh Hefner with a board member who was a pedophile

01:20:16

And so that's the history of the the sex of a that's where all of the comprehensive sex ed comes from and so she wrote

01:20:22

This book in 76 exposing the more global humanist revolution that was animating the the founding of C kiss

01:20:31

Which became one of those sort of like cultural linchpin? Organizations of that time and how the left was sort of seeking to upend the culture.

01:20:39

Yeah Well, there's a few encouraging comments Sharon says that she loves Seth Gruber one day for $4 .99

01:20:46

thanks, it's thanking me for the faithfulness and ministry and And there's some other comments in there also of support.

01:20:53

So Call the action here, you know, what do you want people to do? Obviously, we showed the website before that they can go to which is 1619 6 odd.

01:21:03

I keep saying that 1916 ah Yeah, because I've talked about it like hundreds of times it's like ingrained in my mind

01:21:12

Wonderful audience. You have a wonderful or base So many faithful Christians that I meet around the country who say they love conversations that matter.

01:21:21

It's really inspiring I have so much respect for your voice and your courage and frankly, you've been one of those kind of Watch dogs of Big Eva before people had a phrase to describe

01:21:31

Big Eva I mean I encourage you guys to go back and listen to some of John's old episodes like what happened to Tim Keller and what happened what?

01:21:37

Happened to John Piper your coverage of Al Mohler Russell Moore So some of this stuff you were blowing the whistle on before people knew that that a whistle needed to be blown

01:21:45

And so I just so appreciate you bro and your audience And so if you guys want to host this screening of this film at your church

01:21:50

I'm telling you most believers you meet probably have no idea of some of the claims we expose and the book

01:21:56

I really provide all the receipts so go to the 1916 project comm and if you scroll to the bottom there

01:22:02

John You'll see that people can watch the trailer But they can also press the button at the bottom of this landing page that says host a screening if you press host a screening

01:22:11

You fill out the form. My team will get back to you We drop ship you a box and you can literally pull off a screening at your church

01:22:18

Anywhere in the country between now and September before the film is released online for the world later this year

01:22:25

Although we'll probably still let churches do screenings after after the film comes out online And so we want thousands of churches screening this we're on pace to reach thousands of churches screening this and would love to have your support and and we'll get a rep for my ministry to be there if we can or I can zoom in live and chat with People in the pastor after the screening so this again

01:22:45

This is to mobilize churches to launch white rose chapters all around the country To get the church back engaged and and if they if they don't understand the culture of death

01:22:54

They're not gonna know what to do And so we tried to provide this educational film and piece to do that and then the book so the book you go to the 1916

01:23:01

Project comm forward slash book. So the same website but forward slash book And you can pre -order the book right now and thank you for pulling that up I appreciate that brother and the the subtitle is the lying the witch and the war we're in And so it's really the lies that created this culture the witch who mainstreamed those lies more than anyone else probably in the 20th century

01:23:22

Margaret Sanger John is probably the most influential leftist Revolutionary of the 20th century probably her impact on today's culture of death is probably greater than any other

01:23:31

Revolutionary on the left in the 20th century And the book is really for those even more hungry that want to know if you want the receipts if you want the proof

01:23:39

And if you want to learn more than I could put in a 75 -minute documentary pre -order the book Like we said pre -order it from us and not

01:23:45

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01:23:51

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01:23:57

I think John you and I sense that if something doesn't change soon in the culture Maybe maybe the next 5 10 15.

01:24:02

I'm not sure years Things are gonna get really really really dark in America. Hey, we went in the end

01:24:07

We've read the end of the book praise God the lamb is victorious the lion of the tribe of Judah is on his way

01:24:13

But hey, gosh Can we not kill the babies? Can we preserve the innocence of children? Can we give

01:24:19

God a reason to maybe show America mercy? And if we don't deal with the the child killing and the sexualization of children

01:24:25

I do not think that there will be renewal and revival in America I don't think God will pour his spirit out on America again unless we deal with these issues

01:24:31

And so this is a small little piece Attempting to wake up the church. So thank you for all your hard works.

01:24:38

Do you get any sleep ever? Being on the road difficult, but we take so hard with us a little more often

01:24:47

I used to not take the family But now sometimes we take the whole family and we stay another day or two in the city that I was speaking in to spend

01:24:54

Just having fun in the city that we're staying in Well, it is a lot of hard work.

01:24:59

I do not travel nearly as much as you do and I know And I don't have three younger kids either. So for me

01:25:06

It's not as big of a commitment. But even for me, it's like Man, I feel disconnected from my church and it's really hard so it's a big sacrifice that you're making and I'm glad to see that you're it's bearing some fruit and you're seeing a lot of Success and growth and may