The 1916 Project: Interview

We are now live on the conversations that matter podcast. I'm your host John Harris. We have someone who's been on the podcast once before Seth Gruber. Seth. How you doing? Good brother good to be with you, man.

So for those who don't know Seth has a new documentary coming out. That's what we're actually gonna be discussing and a book right the 16. Or I was gonna say the 1619 project. That's not your project the 1916 you did that on purpose to trick people.

I did. Yeah so they're gonna go looking for the 1619 project and they're gonna find yours and think it's that and then they're gonna what. I don't know what's gonna happen at that point but anyway we got to figure out some of the SEO stuff.

John cuz. Right now everyone that Google's the 1916 project. Google pulls up the 1619. I noticed that we got to flip it and we got to figure out the SEO on Google so that. People actually go to our web page, but but bro, it's good to be with you again.

And thanks for having AJ Hurley on for that really fascinating debate the other day. That was super fun. AJ's my national coordinator of activism and honestly one of my one of my dearest friends and so we appreciate your voice John.

Yeah, likewise and if people want to check out the white rose resistance, where can they go? Yeah, you can go to the white rose dot life. We actually just launched our brand new website right before the launch of the the film screening tour that we're doing in the book.

And so now praise God because of support like meant for men like you John. We're now the fastest growing pro-life organization in America. And we're we. I can't hire fast enough. God's wow us. We're silly super.

Yeah, I mean last time I spoke with you, bro. I had one employee. I think I remember that had me on. I think we're at like 14 now. He's God and we have two or three more positions. We need to hire four before the fall full-time positions.

And so now we've launched in Boise, we're launching in Denver this summer. We're launching in California in like two months and we're launching in Fort Worth in the fall. And we're gonna keep launching these white rose chapters.

We're hiring regional coordinators that we're interviewing for right now all around the country. We're a digital media activism organization John and so we're not in this just to feel good about expressing orthodox positions and making you feel more confident in your pro-life belief so you can lambast the culture of death and call them bail Worshippers, that's not why we're in this we're in this to put ourselves out of a job, bro.

I don't want to be doing this at 42 years old. I want to be rebuilding Christendom not tearing down another high place. And so that's kind of the mantra at that all of our teams say at the ministries.

We're trying to put ourselves out of a job. We want the church getting back to doing what she should have been doing all along. Saving children stopping this Holocaust ending abortion rebuilding the family structure in America.

Yes. That means contending politically, although we're not a 501c4, but it means contending culturally. It means that your church needs to be adopting this as an actual ministry. And so everything we do is to awaken inspire mobilize and equip the church to get back involved in the culture of death.

Opposing that culture of death and actually rebuilding a culture of life where they live. And so we do media training activism courses curriculum films documentaries books. But it's also that you get clarity on why what's happening in this country how we got here so that you'll live differently and so uh.

That's who we are bro. And and I appreciate all that you do to bring clarity to the abortion Holocaust to the culture of death. And kind of how this happened. Yeah, praise God. I didn't realize it was growing that fast.

I know you're on Instagram and I'm not a big Instagram guy. I probably should be because I hear that's where the cool kids are, right? So I have like 86 followers and I post pictures of flowers and mountains sometimes, you know.

It's not I'm not really promoting myself much on it. But whenever I do go on it I see your stuff and it's got a lot of traction and I thought wow, like I don't I don't know what he's doing but he's got some ingredients, right because there's just a lot of Support and an energy with what you're doing.

So praise God for that if people want to check it out and and look people are looking for jobs right now. So you just said you're three jobs open. I would how cool would that be right working to stop and end abortion?

So I I guess they can find out more about that at the website then or yep go to the white rose I like the white rose life. I think we just added those and then we you can also send for email lists and we notify you all about that and then At the end of the show I'll tell you how you can actually kind of support the ministry and what we're doing to actually equip and mobilize our donors because Like I said, this is a ministry that was birthed by and for the church John and so I believe that this is a Holocaust.

Giving 35 or $50 a month to a pro-life ministry is not all that a Christian should be doing for goodness sakes. Like yes help equip the fighters, right? Maybe you're an insurance guy, you know, maybe you're a salesman I don't know.

Maybe you work at Walmart like obviously, you can't just leave your Job to provide for your children and trying to start volunteering for pro-life ministry and make no money I get it. You may not be called full-time into the culture war.

But if this is a Holocaust we as a church need to do a lot more John than just giving a 25 a $20 a month. Give to a ministry. And so we do a lot to equip and pour back into our donors to be the resistance so that they're actually equipped to speak powerfully against the culture of death understand the ideologies and events happening around us and how that how that kind of all happened and really Empowering them to be able to to be persuasive gracious.

I'm starting to sound like Russell Moore over here and bold voices. To those in their lives who need the truth and for too long Christians have kept their opinions to themselves. And they didn't want to rustle any feathers at the workplace.

And we are we are way way past the point of comfortable Christianity in the cold. Yeah, so yeah, I don't feel bad about sounding like more because I think a lot of the things Russell Moore says are actually true.

He just doesn't actually believe them. Yeah, we should be winsome. What does that mean? And then he's like that means we like neutralize ourselves. And so yeah, anyway. Here's the website for people who want to check it out.

It's 1619 or so you did say the wrong thing the 1916 project comment 1916 project comm and Super spiffy website here. You can order the documentary. You could actually attend a screening or host a screening if you're a church or another organization.

So first question here for you Seth because I've seen a lot of this. From pro-life groups various ones I can't even like count because there's so many different ones that have popped up. Some of them have gone away over the years.

And it seems like one of the things that I often see is they have a documentary or some DVD that they're trying to get churches to promote at least I know because my dad's a pastor he gets these things free.

Sometimes I'll just send them in the mail. So what makes what you're doing different than some of the other Exposes of Planned Parenthood that have been put out there before. Yeah, yeah, so I I touched on the answer to that question earlier job.

But let me repeat it because it's really really really important. Okay, unless the church flatulent. Becomes the church militant. It will become the church irrelevant. And by militant, I don't mean like picking up arms and going in to kill Democrats.

Okay. No one's calling for that. Okay I mean I mean as an analogy for militant and righteousness right militant in your zeal for righteousness in the public square and for for being as Unapologetic in accruing power.

For good as the other side does John do accrue power for a wicked agenda, right? But but if you try to get power at the political level and you're a Christian and you're like, this is insane. We're lopping off the genitals of kids and we're murdering third trimester babies that you know.

Yeah, then, you know Rick Warren and David French call you a Christian nationalist and Phil Vischer appears in Rob Reiner's new documentary. I mean, it's like no. No, it's like listen as Bonhoeffer said power is to serve responsibility.

Okay, it's a beautiful line from Bonhoeffer power is to serve responsibility. Yes, we want to get power because we want to use it for good means John to stop this insanity that's happening. And so this ministry was worth by and for the church I I guess what makes us different than some of the other ministries, which I'm not gonna attack any ministries or name any names.

I mean these ministries do wonderful work to save save a lot of babies. And if you're saving babies you're doing you're doing some good work, even if there's other issues going on. But what makes us unique is that we're a ministry completely for the church.

Now listen I won't even hire someone as a w -2 employee that is not aligned with our statement of faith. We're actually a Christian organization John so I can actually hire and fire based off of the Religious statement that you have to agree to and sign and you would love it.

It's like very good and so that was important to me because I didn't want to have any mission drift or I didn't want to have any plans that Ended up getting in the organization and causing trouble. This has happened to a lot of ministry.

So we are an unapologetic evangelical Protestant organization John. But I'll work with Catholics. I'll work with. I'll work with pagan atheists if they're like, hey Let's save babies and stop abortion, but we are a ministry by and for the church.

So everything we do whether it's the films the books the curriculum the courses. Activism events in the public square the call to action is is is host a screening of the film and launch a white rose chapter In your city.

So what we're doing with the growth of this film John. That's already like we have hundreds of churches lining up for screenings and we only launched two days ago three days ago for Nice a church tour that we're doing so I'm doing 11 mega churches around the country.

God doesn't care about numbers, but I have to prioritize the biggest opportunity. So I'm doing 11 big churches around the country starting two days ago or Friday, June 5th June 14th through the end of August all around the country.

You can if on that website if you press attend a screening you'll actually see my dates. But we've got hundreds others now lining up to host it themselves at their own church. And we're gonna have a white rose rep at most of the screenings to invite people to join the white rose resistance as an ally at $35 a month and that just helps fund the creation of documentaries and the creation of activism kits that we actually send donors.

So that they're equipped all to start launching these chapters around the country. And so these chapters will be served by our national organization with the training and equipping to do activism to do Educational events in the public square and this is a word the church has not been comfortable with right John activism.

Right, that's I mean years ago. You remember with Operation Rescue a lot of churches didn't want to support some of the the people that were engaging in civil disobedience. Because the the church is not comfortable with with activism.

It doesn't they thought it was a very Christlike. It wasn't a very nice right John. And so we're not calling for people to break the law. But we are calling for for the church to get involved in activism events in the public square.

We'll probably see to undercover reporting. There's a lot of things we're building a white rose resistance also that the church is Pushing back against the culture of death and Planned Parenthood's agenda for both pre-born and born children in the in the city and community that God's given them Dominion.

So I would say that's what makes us unique, bro. Is that is that actually I actually won't even hire a Catholic as a w -2. And and we actually we have a Catholic as a contractor like I love my Catholic brothers and sisters and I believe so many of Them are saved and they're doing good work.

Yes, I believe some Catholics can be saved. Okay guys. It doesn't mean they all are just like not every Protestant who says they're a Protestant is saved. We're gonna work with these people, but we are an evangelical Protestant organization to get the church back engaged in the culture war, which was always a proxy war for a far deeper spiritual war.

Yeah, so so here's a follow-up for that. So the documentary itself I've heard for years in some of these other films and materials have been put out there Margaret Sanger pit terrible person right to just summarize and.

And then there's a line that's usually like Nazi Germany and then today's Planned Parenthood and a Democrat Party, right? So this is an a narrative that's been weaved many times. So is are you reweaving it in a better way?

Are you saying something different in this particular documentary that hasn't been said before like why should people go attend your screening for your film? Yeah, so so I John I've been I've been fighting abortion since I was about 18.

Really since I was a fetus because my my mom was pregnant with me while leading a pregnancy center. So, um, I've been I've been a pro-life. I didn't know that. Wow. I was a fetus. Yeah. She my mom was Directing a pregnancy center in the late 20s in Los Angeles County before she got married and then Continued to after she got married and I was the firstborn.

So I've been swimming in these waters quite literally for a long time. So I'm aware of all the projects you're talking about. There's Mafa 21. Yeah, there's yeah, that's the one everyone thinks of that.

That's more of a history of sort of racism and black genocide. And so it touches on Planned Parenthood and Sanger, but it touches on other issues as well. It's incredible. By the way, it's incredible.

It's a bit older. And so there's not as much sort of 21st century animations and Artistic bent that unfortunately you have to to get the attention of young people today. Okay, I know I'm telling you it's a wonderful documentary.

I'm not I would never say anything negative about Mafa 21. It's just it was a long time ago. And then so so we wanted to make more up-to-date animations and really sort of High high quality film for the 21st century and beyond that most people in the church John actually have not learned much about that.

They hear the claims, right? They like like Margaret Sanger inspired Hitler, you know, or it's like as I okay well, can you can you like back that up or you know prove that or or you get you get the conservative Christians on Facebook right who were like Margaret Sanger had a board member.

There was a KKK. It's like no one brings any like history. Or proof or receipts to back these things up and then the only other major project would be George Grant In the late 1980s who published the book Grand Illusions The legacy of Planned Parenthood and then later he published a small biography on singer called killer angel.

And if you're listening to this and you listen to John Harris regularly, you may you probably know the name. Dr. George Grant. John I found almost no one does today. And so I am answering your question I'm taking longer because I think it's really really important to answer your question with a lot of power because We're living in insane days.

And I'm 32 years old John and I I don't know how this happened. I do it's a God thing, but I'm saying I don't know how this happened. But I've spoken to more pulpits on Sunday mornings not not to share about my ministry.

I'm talking like to preach for 50 minutes. I've preached in more pulpits in the last three years on the issue of pro-life and the unborn than anyone in the world. That I'm aware of. I don't know how God has opened these churches and opportunities to me.

I feel kind of spoiled I feel really honored. I'm not a pastor. Okay, I I didn't Go to Ed Stetzer seminary Talbot, I'm sorry Megan Basham's coming on my show next month finally and and and it's about time I have that a long overdue conversation with her and have her just bless my listeners with what she knows and what she's revealing.

Anyways, I digress so I I didn't I didn't get an MDiv. I I went to Westmont Santa Barbara. I'm a religious studies major, but I didn't I didn't do higher education learning. But I I'm a I read a lot, okay, probably not as much as you.

But I read a lot and I found that the church in America today doesn't know very much about those warriors and heroes of The the late 20th century that was doing the work on some of these issues that I am now.

That the how did we get here questions, right? The ideas have consequences bad ideas have victims questions, right the exposes on cultural Marxism and the sexual revolution. You know, you got the Francis Schaeffer's obviously, but I found that almost nobody knows.

Who dr. George Grant is he's become a friend an advisor to me and a mentor and he's actually the one Featured the most on screen other than myself in this film the 1916 project. And so nobody has taken dr. George Grant's work from the late 80s and early 90s.

And kind of presented it on a digital silver platter for the next generation. The heat at one point Grand Illusions John was the best-selling book in the pro-life category ever at one time and Most people I meet don't even know who he is.

And George Grant's probably the smartest human I know and that I've ever met. And so it was really important for me to to to take his learning his citations his receipts his proof his research on the history of Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood and Really present it to the next generation in this beautiful documentary.

For all ages, but really to make sure we captured those significant pieces of how we got here for my generation in the next generation and so. What makes it unique? Well one I don't think. I actually don't think there's been a project that's captured the disgusting sordid history of the culture of death and the abortion industrial complex.

And in a sort of on a silver platter all the disgusting pieces in one place. But in a way that's digestible with up-to-date animations and film and cinematography so that was one reason and then the second is we don't just tell the stories of bad evil people Chuck and just just do a Historical throw-up of like all these evil people do an evil crap.

We finish with the stories of heroes of those of the heroes of the white rose resistance in Nazi, Germany. Who were who were fighting the same ideology and the same ideas and and and by the time you watch the film?

It's very clear to the viewer that it is the same ideology. It is the same philosophy. It is the same view of human beings that both Sanger and Hitler had right? Maybe Sanger had more of a scalpel approach to eugenics while Hitler had more of a sledgehammer approach to eugenics.

But they believed the same things and they were animated by the same kinds of ideologies and so we finished the film with the story of hope and with the story of the heroes of Christian resistance to Rebuild Christian resistance in America before it's too late.

And so we can talk more about why did I do 1916? What is 1916? Yeah, I sound like 1619 but but just to answer your first question, that's what makes it unique. And so we just we just did our red carpet premiere and we just kicked off our first church tour on June 14.

And now I'm going to jeez we're doing San Clemente Atlanta San Jose Phoenix Albuquerque. Where else at Denver and a couple in Southern California, yeah, they're all right there. So those those are the the mega churches that are having me out in person to screen it.

But any church in America can screen it and and I might I might be able to zoom in live and chat with the pastor. On zoom after a screening or one of my team can be there, but this is gonna be huge. This is gonna be massive.

So we kicked off with alley best ducky. It's my special guest a few days ago and some of these screenings you might see people like Brandon Tatum David Harris jr Eric Metaxas Abby Johnson, dr. George Grant Frank Turek.

You might see some some fun guests on the road. So All right. Sounds good. Thank you for Giving us a full picture of what people can expect. So for viewers who are streaming right now, if you have questions, you can leave a comment on YouTube Facebook I believe you can also do it on X and I will ask Seth as we go through some of the history and The message that he's conveying in this book and documentary so I the obvious question to ask first before we get into any of the other history is the title because 1916 in fact someone already in chat is asking is this any relation to the Irish Easter rebellion of 1916?

Which I was assuming it's probably not. No. Okay. All right. So why 1916? So I think it was another one of those cool moments of Providence John. I was with my team April of last year. So April 2023 and we were at a creative writing retreat to plan our big projects and I was explaining this idea I had which is the 1916 project.

I just didn't have a name for it yet. And I was explaining this project and my chief of staff said, um, you know what you're explaining sounds a lot like the New York Times 1619 project but like the right way like the good like the good version like It sounds like it sounds like the 1619 project as it should have been if the New York Times wasn't filled of gay communists.

That that sounds like what you're explaining and I and so I paused and then I had that that moment of revelation and I freaked out and I said guys Margaret Sanger opened her first clinic in 1916. That's that's the event that was this sort of Massive spiritual political and cultural stake in the ground.

To which we can trace most of the evil junk Unfolding before us at such a rapid rate in America John and so let me let me prove that. Um Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in the world.

They're also the largest provider of that pornographic comprehensive sexuality education in the public schools. Bro, that's bringing all those angry mama bears and papa bears to school board meetings.

And if you watch John Harris guys, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. I mean, we're talking like gay sex cartoon drawings and an anal and let me just stop there. It's basically they leave no sexual stone unturned.

Because they believe that like Kinsey that children have sexual rights. And so if they have sexual rights. Then they also have the right to all of the information that comes along with exercising their quote-unquote sexual rights.

Every groomer and pedophile believes this it all goes back to Kinsey. We reveal that in the book and film as well. Well, guess what Planned Parenthood claims on their own website John that they're the largest provider of Comprehensive sexuality education, which is not about the birds and the bees.

It's it's one of the liturgical arms of the religion of humanism. It's it's it's libido dominante. Sexual liberation is political control and we have to we have to sexualize the next generation break down their innocence and mores first.

And then they'll be easier to control. Oh, and by the way, then they'll have a ton of sex. Which means I'll probably need abortions so Planned Parenthood largest abortion provider in the world largest provider of that porn sex that in the schools and Bro, as of last year, I have a leaked memo from Planned Parenthood admitting this to one of their own.

Really they are now the second largest provider second largest provider in America of cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers. So, how is it that one organization John is? All three of those things the largest provider of baby killing in the world.

The largest provider of porn that calls itself sex ed in America's public schools, and they're now almost. They're almost the largest provider of chemically castrating drugs for America's gender confused youth.

So what are the major issues in the culture right now that have parents and Godly lay people lay Christians like concerned I would say probably let's see transgenderism killing babies and the sexualization of children in America.

Those not the three minutes. Yes, we can talk about critical race theory and some of this other stuff. Yeah, yeah, and medical apartheid we can talk about in hope and we talk about but that but the three major issues.

Are those three men are those three issues? All the Democrats are saying that 2024 is gonna be a referendum on abortion. That's right. So so I think we have to go like well, then how the hell did we get here?

And so then here's where it gets interesting. When I realized it's 1960 not 1619. I Then realized that it was the disciples of the 1619 project that tried to cancel the legacy of 1916 let me say that again.

It was the disciples of the 1619 project that tried to cancel the legacy of 1916 and here's what I mean by that in summer of 2020 after you know during the mostly peaceful somewhat fiery BLM arson riots protests.

You had the canceling of anything that the liberal establishment claimed was Racist you remember this John right and Jemima. Remember all the things we had to cancel. And you had all BLM right and which was a by large mansions.

You know BLM and Candace Owens exposing all the fraud and how that money was actually used. Anyways, they go they go do these shakedowns of corporate America or or institutions or companies that that may be in some way BLM can say, you know back in the heritage and history of your company.

You had a racist writer or you did some racist things or you disenfranchised black black Americans. So silence is violence, you know, shut up do the work and and you gotta you gotta you gotta you gotta do something to make Up for that racist heritage.

So so give us a ton of money, right or we had to cancel all these people. Okay, well, it was in that heated cancel culture BLM Marxist environment of 2020 that the revolution started to eat its own John.

You're the real historian in the room. It's not me. You're the real historian, you know that revolutions always eat their own and so in July of 2020 BLM put Planned Parenthood in their crosshairs. It was one of the least covered news stories by conservative news media in my opinion in a long long time because of its significance.

And then what did they call those riots in 2020? They called them the 1619 riots. Remember this people dubbed them the 1619 riots because they're saying it's because of the legacy of 1619 when the first black slaves come to American shores that should be our they said that should be America's birthday, right?

You know this they said not 1776. 1619 should be America's birthday and so then they started saying we got to cancel anything that's racist and then it was the disciples of the 1619 project and BLM that said in July of 2020 Margaret Sanger was a racist and a eugenicist and this is hilarious John because Conservatives have been saying this for decades.

Yeah, and they ignored our critiques and attacks. They they whitewashed their witch they defended her and I mean Barack Obama got the Margaret Sanger Award guys Nancy Pelosi got the Margaret Sanger Award for goodness sake Kamala Harris has been featured but still has yet to secure the Margaret Sanger Award.

But they've canceled the Margaret Sanger Award and in July of 2020 because of pressure from the pro-abortion Marxist left Karen Seltzer the director of Planned Parenthood of Greater, New York said We're done making excuses for our founder and the damage that she did to communities of color.

They called her a racist and then they took her name off of their flagship Manhattan, New York City Sanger mega center. It was called the Margaret Sanger Health Center. They took her name off the building.

They said she was a racist and then New York City where you know Sanger got her beginning John Margaret's they have the Margaret Sanger Square on the corner of that Margaret Sanger Health Center. Yeah, the city got rid of the sign called the Margaret Sanger Square.

So the city canceled Sanger. Planned Parenthood canceled Sanger their patron saint and we're supposed to go about John like nothing just happened. This is one of the most interesting news stories in decades because I could show you New York Times articles CNN MSNBC ABC Washington Post Democracy Dies in Darkness for decades carrying water for Margaret Sanger and Then they canceled her.

So this leads to a very interesting question. What was so cancel worthy about her because you defended her for decades and now out of nowhere what. So what changed? What's the real story? Behind the patron saint of feminism and one of the largest 501c3s in human history Planned Parenthood if they've lied to you about their patron Saint what else are they lying to you about and so in 1916 Margaret Sanger opens her first clinic.

That is the beginning of one of the largest best-funded and most profitable 501c3s in human history the largest abortion provider in the world the largest provider of porn sex ed in the schools and the second largest provider of chemically Castrating transgender drugs for America's gender confused youth.

Yeah, it's not 1619 that explains our current cultural moment. It's 1916 from which we can trace most of the rot unfolding before us in America. Yeah. Yeah good Presentation there and and framing of the whole issue.

It's interesting because I was down there I lived like two hours north of the equity and I was with some a pro-life group or the anti-abortion group that Was doing some sidewalk counseling and prayer outside that clinic and this was back I don't want a few months ago wasn't that long ago and I remember Walking to the clinic and the guy who was taking me goes.

Oh, yeah they just changed the name of this not long ago because of the connection with racism and I had a Famous Christian historian, I will not say his name. But I remember he had emailed me when the same thing I think happened in Boston.

It was in another city in the Northeast where they had taken down I don't know if it was a statue or a plaque, but it was something honoring Margaret Sanger and he thought yeah. Hey, this is this is great.

Actually, like maybe we should reevaluate some of our history and stuff and I remember my first thought was Like, you know, I get it as far as like Sanger's a bad person we've been trying to expose hey like eugenics wasn't good the progressive movement wasn't good and a lot of things that now modern liberals and leftists think are somehow acceptable.

Or institutions that we're still with that. They're still operating in like they're out of sequence. They're they're out of touch with some of the foundation. And so it's it's a battle I think we've wanted to see at the same time though I just think it's ironic that like, oh wait, hold on.

She let's just say murdered and and set the tone to murder millions and millions of people like a genocide that Stalin could not have even imagined and yet, it's because she said some insensitive things about black people at one time that were like What does that say about us?

Right? That's right. Like that's ridiculous. Like what she said about minorities. Hasn't like it is nothing compared to the havoc that she is. Yep I make that point in the chapter one of my book and you just you kind of made my point really beautifully.

I almost wish I had quoted you instead of me. You said that beautifully John, but I make that point in chapter one of my Book, I said basically they acknowledged in 2020 John that the roots were racist and bad.

But the tree would continue to grow unfettered is basically what they said, right? Like she was a racist and super evil and and she harmed communities of color. But also also we we murder more black people every 14 days.

Than the KKK lynch. Yes. Yes. We're gonna continue growing and watering the tree that she planted. But we've acknowledged that the roots are bad now, but nothing will change. Okay, America. That's basically what Planned Parenthood said in 2020 and and here's the irony, right?

Here's where it gets funny. By the way, you know, what's that saying? If the left didn't have double standards John they wouldn't have any standards at all and it's like ha ha ha ha. It's so funny. We all see how true that statement is.

But but let me just bring a little bit of kind of rigor to that. What was what was sort of the philosophical basis of the 1619 project? I mean you probably know better than me as a historian John the claims of critical race theorists, right as it pertains to the race issue is that If something can be traced back to a heritage of racism, then you can't redeem that thing.

Right that the seed is so bad that you can't change the seed. It has to be burned down. The thing has to be ripped out actually and and and. Everything rebuilt from the ashes. I mean if you don't believe me just just read Ibram X Kendi.

Okay, just read the claims of BLM's website before they made it less inflammatory. Just listen to people like Alicia Garza One of the co-founders of BLM and this is how these people speak all the time literally the 1619 project was called a new founding.

Don't you remember that was the subtitle of the 1694 a new founding? So 1776 isn't our birthday. Our real founding was 1619 when the first black slaves came to Eastern Shores because we're so racist and horrible.

That that's our real birthday. Our birthday is racism. And so what was what did they do with the 1619 essays? Do you remember John? They they they attempted to Trace the legacy of 1619 to everything today to met to medicine to doctors to the law to police and Black women's health right if black women are fat it's because of racism.

Yeah, exactly disparities equals inequity equals inequality, right? That is what they did with everything. So they're acknowledging that you can't redeem a thing. That's allegedly birthed in Racism the whole thing has to be Rebuilt to which I then said now start with Planned Parenthood, right?

We see the double standards, right? They're not willing to apply those that same sort of ethos or belief to their own sacred cows. If what they believe is true in the 1619 project then Planned Parenthood has to not only be defunded.

The entire company has to be shut down. Okay, John and and after you read my book and watch my film you will walk away saying the same thing. By the way, if you don't if you don't believe me now, just go post a screening at your church right now.

Or go pre-order the book. It's shocking shocking stuff. Maybe in the next few minutes. I'll share a couple of those shocking things, but Wait, are you telling me John that it was never about philosophical consistency?