March 9, 2021 Show with Dr. Joe Morecraft on “The Forgotten Biblical Principles of Interpretation in the Westminster Confession & the 2nd London Baptist Confession of Faith”

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Health Update and New Doctor Recommendation

First of all, I just want to let our listeners know, those of you who don't know already, that I am celebrating my entering into my second week of being insulin free. I went to a new doctor last week, Dr. Joel Yeager.

Many of you may remember that I've interviewed Dr. Yeager twice on this program, along with Daniel O 'Rourke, another physician, and Ernie Springer, a Christian publisher. And they all together were on my program twice to discuss a book that they co-authored together about the coronavirus, and how they believed that the church was behaving in an unbiblical and irresponsible manner by shutting down and remaining unopened for months and months and months.

And some still are. Excellent book and excellent interviews. I'll be having them back on again. But Dr. Yeager at Heritage Family Health in Newmanstown, Pennsylvania, has told me that my blood sugar levels are not high enough for me to be taking insulin, and he said that I never should have been prescribed it at all to begin with.

So I am rejoicing that the Lord in his providence directed me to this excellent physician, and I highly recommend any of you who may live in Pennsylvania who want to travel there. I traveled an hour there, and I think it's worth it myself.

Definitely worth it being off insulin. But the website is heritagefamilyhealth .org, heritagefamilyhealth .org. And I hope that many of you who live in Pennsylvania will seek him out and pay him a visit.

And who knows, maybe that will become your permanent general practitioner as far as a physician is concerned. But we are now welcoming back to the program my dear friend Dr. Joe Moorcraft, one of my favorite guests to interview.

He is on quite often on the program because I love his interviews so much. He's an author and pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia. And today we are discussing the forgotten biblical principles of interpretation in the Westminster Confession and the Second London Baptist Confession of Faith, also known as the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Trumpet and Zion Radio, Dr. Joe Moorcraft. Well, as we always do when we have you come back on, for the sake especially of those who have not heard you on the program before, or even those of our listeners who have but they just forgot the details on your church Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia.

Why don't you tell us about that fine congregation?

Well, if anybody wants to find out more about Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia,.

Go to heritagepresbyterianchurch .com, heritagepresbyterianchurch .com. And by the way, I'm getting people asking me, what is the title of that book that you mentioned that your new doctor co-authored?

Okay, well, I forgot to mention the full title of the book, Coronavirus and the Leadership of the Christian Church, a Sacred Trust Broken. That is by Dr. Ernie Springer. I'm sorry, not Dr. Ernie Springer, by Ernie Springer, who is the publisher and co-author of the book.

Dr. Joel Yeager and Dr. Daniel O 'Rourke. So those three wrote the book together, Coronavirus and the Leadership of the Christian Church, a Sacred Trust Broken. And I will keep you updated as to when the three of those gentlemen will be back on the program.

Reformed Baptist Identity and the Use of Confessions

Well, I am delighted to be interviewing a Presbyterian who has a very high view of the Second London Baptist Confession of Faith. And obviously, every Presbyterian should, but since it's nearly identical, the framers of the Second London Baptist Confession of Faith, also known as the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith, intentionally duplicated their confession from the Westminster Confession with the exception of issues regarding church polity and the ordinance of baptism and perhaps a couple of other things.

But they are nearly identical purposely. And I know that some have jokingly said that it was one of the greatest examples of plagiarism in the history of the church. But it's not really plagiarism because it was open and out front what they were doing.

They weren't taking credit for work that wasn't theirs. But one thing that I really enjoy about you, Joe, and I would say this is true for most of my Presbyterian friends and brothers, but there is an element of snobbery, I've got to admit, amongst many of the Presbyterian folks, some of whom refuse to even call us Reformed Baptists.

They will say we have no right to that title, Reformed. And the irony is they'll say, well, you can call yourself Calvinistic Baptists. I always find that odd because we have more disagreement with John Calvin's personal views than we do with historic Reformed theology, which is much broader.

So that doesn't make much sense to me. But I believe that if our confessions are nearly identical, there is absolutely nothing wrong with using a helpful nickname like Reformed Baptist. What are your thoughts on that?

Well, Jim Renahan, he's a friend of mine, actually.

I've interviewed him many times, and he is the president of the IRBS Theological Seminary in Texas.

He, well, I...

Yes, anytime you have either spoken or especially written down what you believe, it is a creedal statement, no matter what you call it. To say that we only have the Scriptures as our one and only creed, that is a creedal statement.

It is.

And both of those confessions make it clear that they do not believe. Those writings in the confessions are on par with the Bible.

No, they do.

In fact, I have heard it said, and I believe it is very true, that if you are going to be logically consistent in condemning confessions, then your pastor, or if you are a pastor, when you ascend into your pulpit, you should just open up the Bible, read it, and then sit down without any further commentary.

I wish some preachers would just do that.

In fact, I had... He is still my friend, but we disagree on matters like this. He is also anti-Calvinist, but he was mocking the fact that the congregation where I'm a member is a Reformed Baptist church who adheres to the 1689 London Baptist Confession, and he said, oh, we don't need any man-written books like your Confession of Faith.

We just have the Bible. And I said to him, I was your advertising agent for the radio program that you host with about 10 other independent fundamentalist Baptists. The Fundamental Baptist Forum was a radio program that I actually helped create, and I was the advertising rep that placed that program on a radio station where I worked.

And I said, you have a manual that is very detailed in things that must be believed by any pastor that participates as a host. They had a revolving host. They had revolving hosts that would take turns hosting the program.

And I said, you have a very detailed manual on who is qualified to be a host of the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Forum. And this book of yours, this manual, is about 20 times the size of the second London Baptist Confession.

I said, this is your Confession of Faith, whether you call it that or not. And I even was at, years ago, I was at a Church of Christ congregation that was having a Bible conference, and the speaker was saying that we here at the Church of Christ, we have no creed but Christ and no confession but the Scriptures.

And I said, excuse me, during the question and answer session, I said, excuse me, I picked up a tract in your lobby, in your tract rack, and it lists a whole bunch of things that you believe, that you believe in exclusive a cappella worship, that you baptize by immersion of believers only, that your ministers do not wear clerical robes and collars but only wear business suits, and that you only have men in the ministry, and I could go on and.

On and on.

I said, I don't know if you folks realize this or not, this is your Confession of Faith.

It's exactly right. And you can find people...

Congregationalists? And Congregationalists.

Yes, sir. The Anabaptists, I should add the London Baptists, abbreviated, but... In fact, could you pick up right where you left off there? Yeah.

Because we have to go to our first break. I don't want to interrupt you mid-sentence. So if anybody would like to join us on the air with your own question about principles for biblical interpretation that we glean from the Westminster Confession of Faith and the Second London Baptist Confession of Faith, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

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And we are addressing the forgotten biblical principles of interpretation in the Westminster Confession and the Second London Baptist Confession of Faith. If you have a question, our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com, chrisarnzen at gmail .com.

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Uh, right before the break, you were warning Southern Baptists about their president, uh, John Greer, if you could, uh, continue. I'm sorry for laughing at that, but I just...

I know, but that shows you how far...

By the way, I need to make a very important correction. I called the president of the Southern Baptist Convention John Greer. That is not his name. It's J .D. Greer, which stands for James David Greer.

That was a, uh, flub because I have a very good friend named John Greer, who spells his name without the A in it, uh, and he is a really fine man of God, uh, an uncompromising man of God who happens to be a, uh, pastor in the Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster in Northern Ireland.

Oh, yeah.

And he's been on this show, and he's preached at my church on Long Island before I moved here to Pennsylvania, and I don't want to get those two mixed up, and I apologize...

Yeah, you don't want to do that at all.

And I want to apologize to everybody in the Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster and... and to Pastor John Greer himself for making that error. Sorry about that.

Yeah. Yeah, when you say, uh, and we will go into these principles, uh, any minute now, um,.

But when you say that these principles of biblical interpretation in both our confessions have been forgotten or largely ignored by many, if not most, Presbyterians and Reformed Baptists, are you actually speaking about those that openly affirm the confessions, or are you speaking about the general population...

General, in popular way, you know, we've been talking about...

And we have to pick up right where you left off there, because we have to go to our midway break.

Yeah.

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