Pastors' Panel Podcast- Perseverance of the Saints

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Sorry. What mug are you drinking from tonight? It's yet to be seen.

It's yet to be seen. Maybe we'll come up with a good coffee mug theme tonight. What was the first one? The Armenian coffee mug?

The Trinitarian coffee mug? In the synergistic coffee mug. That was last week, I believe.

So maybe we'll come up with a good one tonight. Let's see, tonight we are going to, we're gonna finish up TULIP tonight. We've looked at total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and what TULIP is, is just an easy way to help us remember the doctrines of grace.

And tonight is P, which is perseverance of the saints. And I'm thankful for the insights and the input that these guys have had. Dan and Claude, and tonight's gonna be no different, I'm sure. We've got two more in March.

We're going to look at next week, the sufficiency of scripture. And then the following week, I want us to look at how to know we're saved. And there's a good test that we can look at in 1 John, how to know that we are saved.

And I hope you will share the video and be with us yourself. And we love any input that you have and any questions that you have. Is the music too loud for you guys?

Is it okay? How do you feel about it? Did I get caught dancing and bobbing and weaving?

I didn't know if it was too distracting for you guys. You're okay? I was enjoying it. Okay. It's nice.

Fantastic. I'll leave it the way it is. I think it'd be good. I'm not jacked up on Krispy Kreme donuts or endorphins. So it'll probably, I'll probably fall out here shortly. So by the way, for your audience, Rob's jacked up on Krispy Kreme donuts for his daughter's birthday.

Dan is jacked up on endorphins from going to the gym.

And now caffeine, we're in trouble. Oh yes. Oh, so let's jump into this perseverance of the saints. If you want to know what we're talking about more, to get more help in understanding what we're talking about, I would encourage you to go back and look at the videos.

We started with the sovereignty of God. And then like I said, total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace. And I'd encourage you to look at those again and share them if you would like to.

We would really appreciate it. So perseverance of the saints, what's a good definition? Help us understand what perseverance of the saints means.

And anybody can start off. Well, perseverance of the saints really is good. It's helpful to define that one. And another word starts with a P, preservation. Okay. Put them both together, helps you see kind of a couple angles of it.

Perseverance of the saints means that the saints, those who run back through the acrostic, through TULIP, those who Christ has chosen, died for and called to himself, those will continue in their faith until the end of their life or until Christ returns to call them home.

So they will persevere in their faith. Another way of looking at that is from the other direction is the preservation of the saints, being, you know, since all the other letters having, except for T, we kind of did that one.

All the other letters had to do with God doing something, God electing, God providing atonement, God calling, then God will preserve his people until the day of judgment, where they will pass through the judgment unscathed, as well as those who are hidden in Christ, their sins will be completely done away with once and for all, even though they've already been forgiven, now they'll be completely separated from their sin forever on the coming judgment.

So if you look at it that way, those who are saved truly will continue to be, because their faith will not falter, and that all happens because God is preserving his people until that final judgment, where he will finally fully, completely separate them from their sin forever.

And I'm really glad that you emphasized and included the fact that this is God persevering with his saints. That would, it would just take us in a totally different direction than where we were with T-U-L and I, you know, because we're

We got there in a whole row. Yeah. Yeah. Oh goodness. So, yeah, that's absolutely right. It's all of God, it's all for his glory. And that's, of course, why we started off, you know, the acronym is TULIP, begins with a T, but we started with the sovereignty of God.

And that's why, because that sets us on the right path and helps us understand the rest of the doctrines of the grace, doctrines of grace. So this is pretty interesting, this next question called, I grew up hearing it stated in a different way.

And there's a preference, I think there's a preference in our circles on which one we use. And I think there's a reason why we use the terms that we do. But I grew up using a phrase, hearing a phrase, being taught a phrase that is similar to this doctrine, very, very similar, I think, but it's not exactly the same.

So the phrase that I heard was, once saved, always saved. And of course, you know, that's similar. And there's truth to that. Once God saves us, we're always saved. But why do we prefer the term perseverance of the saints over once saved, always saved?

So I would say because of the doctrinal truth, right? The content of the doctrine is what truly is important there. And sure, it's saying bigger words strung together, but the idea behind once saved, always saved versus or over against perseverance of the saints or the preservation of the saints, that was a wonderful distinction that Dan made there.

That's very, very important. The distinction is this, that in the idea of once saved, always saved, it's about what the work that one person has done at some point or some time in their life. And they're saying because they did this, that they could never be lost or never ultimately, as the doctrine says, they can never ultimately and finally fall away.

The challenge with the idea of once saved, always saved is people's basing it on a decision or something that they did at a point in time. For example, again, common probably for all of us, we've heard people, I've got one of the elders at our church.

He said, he said he don't know how many times he's been saved because he was saved at least six times in six different Bible schools as a child. So sarcasm, of course, but that's the idea and the idea that folks have because the scriptures haven't been taught in church to the people of God as they should be is they figure, well, I prayed a prayer, I walked an aisle, I said this when I was seven, eight, nine, six, five, whatever, however old they were, that's not pertinent.

The pertinent and important truth or question to ask is have you been born again? So once saved, always saved is true that once God saves you, once you're regenerated, you've made a new creature, you can never ultimately and finally fall away.

But just because you said you've been saved and then nothing has been different from that moment forward, that's the danger of that idea. Once saved, always saved.

Oh, we've got a new brother with us. Phillip Reed, thank you for the comment, brother. We appreciate it. Amen, redemption. Hallelujah. So let me ask you guys if you have experienced this to go along with the once saved, always saved, because I'm assuming that you all heard that growing up, that terminology.

We're laughing at the comments. If you're watching from a different platform, we can see all the comments coming from the different platforms, but I know not everybody can. So, all right, so the attack from those that don't believe in this doctrine, they attack this doctrine, the once saved, always saved doctrine.

And they say, you become grace abusers. Have you ever heard that attack? So you believe that God has saved you and you can't lose your salvation, so therefore you can sin and do whatever you want to. How do you respond to those folks?

I would say, number one, we go to the scripture. There was that, I'm looking for it right now. You all may know it right off the top of your head, but in Romans, right? Paul actually anticipated this argument.

Should I sin that grace? Because he said, basically some of you are probably asking, should I just go ahead and sin since grace is so amazing? And he said, no, God forbid, God forbid. We should not, eternal redemption and salvation in Jesus Christ is not a license to sin in any way, shape, form, or fashion.

And so that is, like you said, that is an actual abuse of grace. Anything to add on that, Dan?

Yeah. Yeah. Our camp's not the only ones who have to ask that question. But, I mean, it's a different question, but it's kind of like the other side of the coin. Could those who believe that once you are saved, you're always saved, those who are going to be persevered or preserved by God to the end, do they have a license to sin?

Or could they think they have a license to sin and then abuse grace in the process? So the question can go back the other direction. Since you think you have a possibility of losing your salvation, do you then rely upon doing good deeds and work and preserving your own faith and therefore work your way towards salvation and abuse grace in that moment?

There are ways that we should be careful. It's absolutely true that you could say, hey, I've been saved, so let's live it up. You know, eat, drink, and be merry because tomorrow I'm going to die and then we'll all be forgiven and it'll be okay.

Paul's like, no, we're not doing that here. He also says that you can't work your way to heaven. Right. So, yeah, it's kind of a cheap accusation because the abuse of grace is happening for those who either neglect it in order to work their way to heaven or abuse the grace by taking it for granted.

The abuse happens from both directions.

Yeah, and the abuse that happens on the taking it for granted side that you mentioned, that would be antinomianism. Folks that are saying, they'll say, I'm not under the law anymore. I'm under grace, correct?

Is that where you was going on that?

100%, yeah. And the flip side is that other, you know, a hundred dollar word, legalism. Yeah. Where you think you can do something, work something in order to merit your own salvation. Both of them are errors.

There's a middle road, and the middle road is that God done it.

Amen, and our reconciliation was paid for in Christ Jesus, our Lord. By the way, try the antinomian approach next time you get pulled over for speeding or something. No, officer, I cannot accept the ticket.

I'm not under the law, but I am under grace.

Yeah, and Becky makes a good comment here. She says, big words. And I wanted to define antinomianism, and I'm thinking to myself without law or a law unto yourself. Is that what we're talking about.

When we're saying antinomianism? Anti meaning against or in opposition of. Nomian coming from nomos in the Greek law. Ism, believing about it. So it would be a belief that you are against or that the law no longer applies to you because of whatever reason that you put in there because I've been saved so I don't have to worry about it anymore.

Or I don't know, you see it a lot where people will take the law of God and think that it doesn't apply to them for whatever reason. I live a different time, like somehow God has changed who he is or his character, his holiness or something.

Yeah, somebody once said that the most misinterpreted page in the whole Bible is that one between the end of Malachi and the first one in Matthew that little page that says New Testament. That's the most misinterpreted page in the whole Bible.

If all sorts of stuff happens on that page that you just don't know about. That's the truth.

Yeah, absolutely. So am I correct in saying that Matthew 24, 13 is where we get the wording for perseverance of the saints?

Is that what you guys are familiar with? Matthew 24, 13. But the one who endures to the end shall be saved? Yeah. Well, I can see how folks get that but contextually when you read it in context that doesn't have anything to do.

That goes back to the eschatology.

Yeah, exactly, exactly. I know that's the, I remember that wording, the phrasing that we use and I saw it in Matthew 24 there. And that, like you said, it takes us back to eschatology and the context is those things happened and culminated in 70 AD.

So it has a similar, I guess, similar meaning but that part is speaking of those in Israel that will endure to the end of the age and Christians. And we're speaking of enduring to the end, God preserving us.

Go ahead. Philip brief asked, are you streaming on YouTube as well? What's the page link? Once I ask the question and let these guys answer, I will post that link for you on YouTube. So, yeah, so that was speaking of those enduring to the end that were Christians in Israel, Judea.

We're talking about enduring salvifically, spiritually to the end and not being able to lose our salvation. So here's some proofs and some proofs of this doctrine of perseverance of the saints. And the first one, Claude, if you wanna start, just give me your thoughts and while you're giving us some thoughts and Dan, you can jump into, no issue.

I wanna try to get Philip the link to YouTube. So the first one is salvation is from God and by God. He is able to do all he wills to do or all he wants to do. So how does that relate to this perseverance of the saints?

Salvation is from and by God. He's able to do all that he wills.

I would say going to Philippians chapter two, it's where I was going right before that. If you go to Philippians chapter two and in verse 12 and 13, Paul talks about, he gives the great hymn of praise, let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus.

But when you get down to verse 12, he says, therefore, my beloved brethren, as you have always obeyed, so now also not only in my presence, but much more in my absence. And then he says, work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

If we were to stop there, then certainly the onus would be on us to maintain our salvation by our good works. But Paul makes it clear in the next statement, he says, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

I mean, he makes it plain that this idea of persevering, by our own power and by our own will and by our own means, is a foreign idea to the scripture. For scripture from beginning to end is the sovereign work of God in the lives of men.

Absolutely. So Dan, here's the second one, the second proof that I've got on here on our notes. God is the creator of all. He has power over all and is the author and finisher of our faith. How does that relate to the verses of the saints?

True. True.

I was going straight out of Hebrews, wasn't it? Hebrews at some point, he's the author and finisher of our faith. What it's saying is that since God is the one who said, salvation is coming and he said, you're going to be the beneficiary of salvation.

Then he went and died for that person and then used his word, either through the mouth of a preacher or through reading of the word or however the word of the gospel came to the person there. And then called that person through the ear and the heart to himself, that that person will be preserved.

The faith will be started and then it won't be a rocky or weedy soil, but it's going to end up done, complete, full flower and bloom and producing fruit in the whole nine yards. So it's going to be all the way till the end.

The hail storm won't come and tear it down. You're going to have fruit at the end and it's going to be ripe for the picking. It's going to be good. So what he began, it says that in the Bible. I don't know where, somewhere in the Bible.

New Testament. He who began a good work in you will finish it. Now that's paraphrased too. That's Philippians 1 .6. Yes. There you go. Yeah. Well, God started, he's going to finish. So he's the author, he's the finisher.

He preserves what is his. He won't let it fall away. Even though sometimes we, let's say make it work. I mean, everything's easy for God, but we, yeah.

Well, and that, this kind of answers and goes back to what we were saying in the beginning that this is all God from beginning to end. And these are verses that point to that. This verse, he's the author and finisher of our faith.

And then the verse that you were telling us about Philippians 1 .6, he who began a good work will be faithful to complete it. So we, you know, we have scripture telling us God initiates, starts, works it, and finishes it.

So it's all of him.

And that idea of an author gives you the idea of him writing something. So it takes my mind to the book of life where it says that our names are written down in the book of life. It's not like she hadn't read the book or he didn't, like she wrote it.

She wrote the book. It wasn't a book where, you know, it was like a Nostradamus just guessing at something. Amen. Him not writing down what had already happened like recorded history. This was God writing in the book and it coming true.

No, was it the never ending story? He changed what happened in the book and then the story changed. Maybe I'm remembering that wrong. But same idea, what God wrote down, what God decreed, what he authored.

Yeah.

The never ending story quote, I think is what we were laughing at there. Preach brother, preach. You're saying truth.

Right. Say on. Sorry, the only thing that I can remember from that movie is the guy, the boy flying on a dog or a dragon. Yeah. He's a dog dragon. He's got scales and everything. I apologize for interrupting you.

He's got to get away.

So that nothing doesn't take care of him. He's preserved from the nothing eating him up. I'm taking this analogy too far, but you get what I'm saying. Did you want to finish your thought?

I was, I rudely interrupted you. I don't remember what my thought is. I'm sorry. Never ending story in my head. Let's, let's go on to the next one then. Claude, when God says everlasting, he means it.

True. True. Next. You know, these, yeah, these things are absolutely true. And you know, we can check the box. Absolutely. It is true. But you know, words have meaning. Yeah. And we, we can't look at scripture, read text and make it say what we want to say.

And here's, you know, another big word that we use. I said, Jesus, we can't read into the text or put into what we wanted to say. Words have meaning. God carefully chose not only us, but the words that he used in scripture to teach us about who he is and his character.

And you know, when he uses the word everlasting. Now, I will say this, you know, something that I learned along the way that I would encourage everyone to be careful because I've heard other preachers and teachers, you know, say these very things that we're saying that words have meaning.

And so when you see the word all, all means all, all the time. And it goes back to some of those opposition verses that we've looked at in the past where we've seen from scripture, how God has chosen, he has elected certain people, certain men to be saved.

And we've looked at verses that seem to be in opposition to that. And you have one of those verses that said, God desires that all men everywhere that they would repent, come to repentance.

It's the epistle of Peter, 3rd chapter, yeah. Right, right.

And so you have verses just like that as an example. And I think there's a couple others that use the word all that would seem to point to us to God having a desire to save all men or that Jesus, you know, died for all men.

But here's the lesson that we learned is that you have to read, you get the meaning of the word, not just from the definition, but the context. Amen.

And to go to context for your question there about, you know, everlasting, what did God mean when he says everlasting? It means perpetual, continual. It's used in Isaiah 61, eight, for how the Lord loved justice.

I hate robbery and wrong. I will faithfully give them their recompense and I will make an everlasting covenant with them. Jeremiah 32, I will make an everlasting covenant that I will not turn away from doing good to them.

And I will put the fear of me in their hearts that they may not turn from me. There's a perseverance of the saints text. Jeremiah 50, verse five, they shall ask the way to Zion with faces turned toward it saying, come, let us join ourselves to the Lord in an everlasting covenant that will never be forgotten.

Ezekiel 16, yet I will remember my covenant with you in the days of your youth. And I will establish with you an everlasting covenant. The importance when we see this term used, everlasting covenant, that's an everlasting agreement and it's a unilateral agreement.

It's one way. So we can't even snatch ourselves out of his hand.

I was just looking for a question that I meant to put in here, but I don't think that I did. So I'm gonna ask it when we finish this last one. We're on the last one, Dan. The last proof that I wrote down in our notes, there are some that appear to be saved but are not and never were.

Can you explain what we're talking about there?

Right. There are those who, for whatever reason, seem to have salvation and then not have it, or seem to have a faith and then not have that faith. They seem to like the things of God, even love the things of God, seem to enjoy the fellowship of the saints and go on for a while.

And then at a certain time, they no longer. This is described in a couple of different ways. One of them, well, Johnny, he kind of uses a tongue twister. He says that they went out from us because they were not of us.

For, I don't know. Basically he says that if they were of us, they would have stayed with us, but they went out from us. So that way they would prove that they were not really of us. So there's a real sense in which they were a part of the us, at least externally.

They were there. They were engaging in sacraments. They were praying with people. They were talking about the Bible. And yet their faith was not one that was brought about by God. It was a false faith.

It was a faith that was generated from somewhere in the deceitfulness of their own heart. Maybe they enjoyed a certain aspect of it, or maybe they wanted to believe. And they turned from that faith and left it fully and finally.

And the reason why they did that is because their faith was not a faith that was authored and finished by God. It was a faith that had something else to it, either a parable of the seed. He said that some people would have the cares of this life choking out.

Life got too much for them to make God a priority, which I don't understand because he created the world. But when we fall into our sins, sin deceives us and we forget that. And it's easy when sin is there deceiving you.

Also he talks about the rocky soil where a little bit of hardship comes by and you're like, I'm out, I quit, I'm done. Because you didn't have any root, like there wasn't any skin in the game. You didn't count the cost before you entered into that relationship or that commitment to being a Christian and you fell by the wayside.

And it's sad to see, but like Claude was saying before, those who are gods are not going to leave God. We can't jump out of his hand. It says in that same passage where you're talking about from John 10, it says, I give them eternal life and they will never perish.

Two things happen and then the third I didn't mention yet. One, he gave them eternal life. Two, it's effective. They will never perish. And three, no one will snatch them out of my hand. Now, are they, am I a someone?

I'm a someone. Can I snatch me out of my hand? He says, no one will snatch me out of my hand. Me, you, you down the street, nobody. So this is, there's a lot there. We can get into different. I mean, look at the whole Old Testament.

Look at the prophets. The prophets were a call from God to a people that were God's people. Yeah. To say, hey, you're sinning. Turn from your wickedness or you will be destroyed. Not just physically, but eternally.

Yeah. And some turned, some had faith, others did not. And sometimes it looked bleak. Isaiah thought he was it. Isaiah, somebody, thought he was it. Said, no, I've got 7 ,000 other folks. Don't worry about it.

I've got my people and they're not falling away. Man. Yeah, that's a sad one. Like Becky said, we see this a lot in the deconstructionism that's happening today. Now, if you don't know what deconstructionism is, deconstructionism isn't in and of itself a bad thing-ish.

Let me explain. The idea behind it, right? The idea behind it is that you take everything that was handed to you and you break it down into pieces and parts and then rebuild it, you know, based on the facts.

What usually happens is they throw out so much of the structure that they would see that they don't have the tools to actually rebuild anything in substance. So what they do is to mix metaphors, they throw the baby out with the bathwater.

They don't just tear down the scaffolding. They tear down the whole building to the foundation, try to build on no foundation at all, and say, look, this doesn't work anymore. No, you just destroyed the foundation of it.

I tried. God has spoken to us. So what ends up happening is a lot of people who deconstruct their faith, deconstruct it to a point where they try to start with themselves. And when you start with yourself, you make yourself God.

Amen, Dan. And I think that's why a lot of, it looks different for folks all over the world, but that is why you see people falling away because the God that they thought they were worshiping, when you broke it down, like Scooby-Doo.

No, Fred goes up at the end and says, now let me see who this God really is. And they pull the thing off and hit the mirror. They're looking at the dead. Yeah. That wasn't the God you were worshiping.

You're worshiping a God of your own imagination, which it's easy to do. We're finite creatures. We need the powerful creator who has revealed himself to regenerate our hearts and minds, to wash us with the Holy Spirit, renew us, and bring us to life.

I don't wanna dishearten anybody though, because the one who has left the church, who has left the faith, we believe that they were not saved in the first place because those who are gods are brought to be brought.

So if you're one of those people and you're listening to me, I don't want you to think that we look down on you or we think you're less than, or you're some other class over there, because what we really believe is that you're in absolutely no different situation than the rest of us.

Than any of us were before we came to true faith in Christ. That's right. And I wanna extend that grace to anybody who's hearing because I know my own heart and I know who God is. If I end up in the next year or two, fall away from the faith, I really want the grace of God to be extended to me in year three and four, and have it call me back into the world with the real, true saving faith.

Because there's so much at stake. I touched on a lot. Y 'all wrap up my loose end for me. No, that's okay.

And I would, I mean, I would cast that even further. And I would say that the grace that you talked about, that we're extending to folks in the gospel of Jesus Christ and that the grace that we need to show to other people, the scriptures teach us, Paul said, when you see a brother overtaken in a sin, you which are spiritual, right?

Go to such a one, restoring such a one in the spirit of meekness for considering yourselves, lest you also be tempted, right? So that's consideration there, but that comes, that grace, part of the grace of God is the means of grace.

And that is being a member of a local church, a local body, where when you do start to slip, right? Or my Paul, or Peter, or not Peter, or Paul, either one of them. But David said, the Psalmist said, my feet had wiped and I well slipped in the King James.

I just as good as fallen, right? But we Christians, we do slip, we fall, we sin regularly. We are not non-sinners once we're saved, we're sinners saved by God's grace. But the grace that God gives to the Christian is that being a member of the local church, that we've got the grace of having brothers and sisters alongside of us when we do sin, to call us to account for that sin.

That's a grace of God. Folks don't look at that, but that is a grace of God. And that is a means of persevering grace, because it is a continual reaching out, a continual helping, a continual caring for one another, enough to address the sin in our lives with one another.

Yep, yep. I definitely know that if I step out of line, if I've looked like I'm going the wrong direction, I real quick, I'm gonna have Ryan and John, I'm gonna have Bill, Jack, Bruce, probably Randy's gonna come too.

I don't know the other ones, I haven't even named them. They're gonna come over. Praise the Lord. They're gonna sit with me and they're gonna pray with me and they're not gonna leave until I'm set straight.

Yeah. I just couldn't, those guys, those are my elders. Elders in the ministry, they're going to make sure that, they're gonna care for my soul. Amen. And that's the good under shepherd. You know, the hireling runs away because he's afraid, but God has put people in his church that are not going to run away because they're really truly doing the work of the shepherd.

Amen.

Glory to God. It's good stuff. Amen. Y 'all, that was such a good word. It's his heart, Lord. I mean, that was such a good word. That's why I do this. That's why I want to do this. And, you know, I'm going to pray that God, God will allow somebody to hear what you guys just said.

He may intend it for just one person, but I wish so many people could hear what you guys just said and the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and how you guys explained it and what it means to be a Christian and the joy that's there and the help that's there and the bringing back of, oh my goodness, all that you guys just said.

It's such a good word. And I'm going to be praying, you know, this week that God will use the word that he spoke to you guys tonight because that was the gospel. That was the grace of God that he spoke to you guys.

Praise the Lord. I'm just going to keep repeating myself because it was so good. And I want to praise the Lord for what you guys just said. It was amazing. And I wish I could do something to share these videos more, to plead with people, to listen to the word of grace, the word of truth, but you know, it's in the Lord's hands.

And I know right now we're just, I know I'm living in the joy of the truth of what you guys just said. It's amazing. So thank you. Praise the Lord. One thing, as you were talking, Dan, one thing that I thought about was when I've listened to and heard deconstructionists or Christian deconstructionists, they did exactly what you were talking about.

They get to the point where they are the arbiter of truth. And so that what becomes true is what they decide is true. And if you try to have a conversation with those folks, it becomes very difficult because it goes against the grain of what they decided to be true.

And they only allow in their circles, those that, I mean, they don't have to agree with them, but they don't disagree with them. They let them comfortable in who they are.

At the same time, the reason why it rubs against the grain, it goes the wrong way. It's like sandpaper rubbing dog the wrong way. The reason why it's so gritty is because they do have a knowledge of the truth and that truth is witnessing to them.

And it'll make you angry if you're not wanting to hear it. And that's why we need the grace of God to regenerate our hearts and love. So with gentleness and grace, don't ever stop. Even if you take folks off, gentleness and grace, but that's the point at which God is breaking hearts in a good way, breaking the heart of stone, removing it and replacing it with the heart of flesh, just with the solid regenerated heart that he has.