Can A Christian Vote Democrat? with Guest Jonny Root

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Podcast Introduction and Guest Welcome

Your Calvinist Podcast is filmed before a live studio audience. Welcome to Your Calvinist Podcast with Keith Foskey. My name is Keith Foskey, and as always, I am your Calvinist. I want to welcome you today to the show, and we're going to be talking about a subject that I don't get into a whole lot.

We're going to be talking about the subject of politics, and we're going to do so with my friend and fellow believer, fellow brother in Christ, Johnny Root. John, thank you for being a part of the show today.

Well, I talk about politics probably a little too much, so probably the good person to be on here. Thanks for having me, Keith.

Absolutely, and I'm looking forward to having you because of that very thing. This is an area that you are schooled in, that's educated in. You're able to have a conversation that will hopefully be edifying for everyone, but I do want to mention to the people who are watching that I wore a special outfit just for you.

Some people who don't know you, I want you to introduce yourself, but I want you to also tell the story because I'm currently wearing a hoodie and a blazer. Last year at the G3 Conference, you were doing interviews.

You had a hoodie and a blazer, and it kind of created a little bit of a firestorm. Well, I say firestorm, not really. It just created somewhat of an online back and forth, and then everybody was wearing hoodies and blazers at the Fight Laugh Feast in your honor.

So tell us about what happened, and tell us a little bit about your story.

John Root's Background and Hoodie-and-Blazer Controversy

Yeah, before I get into hoodie and blazergate, which is just another fun thing that happens on Twitter slash X, we just have the stupidest little conversations or debates. But before I get into that, my name is John Root.

I grew up in a Christian home. I really believe that Christ saved me in college. I don't think it's because I went to an unbelievably theologically sound university. I went to Azusa Pacific. I do feel like I grew in my faith there, was able to play football, and then I got into sports media for a long time.

Everybody's got a cancel story now, so I ended up getting canceled during 2021 because I went to the gym without a mask the day that our Arizona governor said, decide for yourself. I took a gym mirror selfie.

Keith, those never look good, and I even put that in the caption. But from there, God meant for that door to close in sports media. I still cover sports. I got an outlet right now called Christ First Sports, so it's sharing a lot of athletes, coaches, and broadcasters that share their faith.

I spent about two and a half years at Turning Point USA, a conservative media and grassroots organization based out of Phoenix, Arizona, where I live now. That was a crazy thing to not just get a peek behind the curtain, but fully be behind the curtain of conservative politics and try to understand what is everybody's motivation here.

Is it just dollars and cents? Is it money, power, and influence? Is it a combination between all those things? I think I started to really realize that conservative politics and conservatives are just as lost as liberals at times.

They need to be evangelized just as much. God led me down that path. I still covered sports from a non-woke angle, a different side of sports outside of ESPN. But it definitely gave me a very interesting and thorough view of what conservative politics looks like, government in general, and other sides of the aisle.

I went to the swim meet where Leah Thomas competed against all those biological women. I've talked to people that have defended that stuff. I was outside the Supreme Court when Roe v. Wade got overturned interviewing people.

That's pretty much where I am now. I'm just covering those things online, trying to get people's cultural topics filtered through scripture. And now to Hoodie Blazer Gate, what everybody's been waiting for.

I think for me, it's always the funniest thing. I think in these reformed circles, Keith, I don't really feel like I'm much of a younger guy now. I feel like I'm 32 now. I'm not just a Gen Z-er that's up and coming in these reformed circles.

But I like wearing something that's not just a super buttoned up shirt and tie and blazer, sports coat, or whatever. For a long time, I've worn a hoodie underneath my blazer, which I felt was kind of just a casual but still clean-cut look.

A lot of people are just like, look at this big Eva guy over here, trying to find his way into these reformed circles. Virgil Walker is the man. I love him over at G3. He and the rest of the team, Josh Bice and the rest of them, invited me to be the host of their livestream for G3.

Because I've done a lot of on-camera work, and that's what I was doing in sports media. I was a host and reporter. So I wore a hoodie and a blazer every single day when I was on camera. That's the fit that I like.

I think it's comfortable. It makes me a little bit more relaxed. And then we had somebody online, especially after Owen Strand just really dropped some nukes, some major bombs in that pre-conference speech.

And I sat down with him, and then I just knew that was going to be the conversation about Christian nationalism. And then everything blew up. There was a YouTube video that somebody sent my way. And then people are trying to tell me that, yeah, the big Eva stuff.

People are trying to tell me that Owen was telling me what to wear, that I was oozing white privilege. At first, I was just like, oh, I'm sick and tired of the Christian nationalist tough guy online. So I was like, all right, this is stupid.

This is not edifying to anybody. Have your thoughts about Owen, and you can debate those statements or whatever it is. And then it turned into a meme where I know a few of the other people in these reform circles kind of jumped in.

Christian nationalists, quote unquote, people jumped in. And then I put that photo on a Halloween costume cover. So it was like spirit Halloween. And that said, it's just like something like white privilege guy.

And then it's like what's included in the costume package, a blazer and a hoodie and all these things. And then when I was at the Fight Left Feast conference, the guy that ended up kind of having to tussle with, he was wearing a hoodie and blazer.

I know you were wearing one and so many others. And it's like something that kind of irked me from the beginning. That was like, I just, I mean, I can take a joke, but it just kind of felt like somebody was trying to hit me below the belt.

And it just turned into a really funny joke. And I'm glad that it turned into that. And then it's like, here, let me take a photo with a few of these guys. And now it's even people at Shepard's conference are like, dude, I was wearing my hoodie and my blazer.

Maybe this is what can bring everybody together, the hoodie and the blazer in these Christian circles. And, you know, it's caught the world by storm.

What a blessing.

Well, that's it's funny. And like I said, I just see it as as one of those things where, you know, somebody just said something. It was ridiculous. And then the ridiculous became a parody of itself. Yes, this was this was dumb and it shouldn't it shouldn't have been said.

But once once it's out there, you roll with it. And that's cool. And that's good. It shows you got a good a good spirit. And, you know, you don't don't take yourself too seriously. And I think that's great.

You look great. You look great, by the way. You rock that. Well, you should wear more often.

Well, I'll try. So on the subject of politics, you know, you said you comment a lot on politics. You said you were outside of the Supreme Court on Roe v. Wade. I didn't know that. That's really cool that you were able to be there.

And in having this background in entertainment and media and being a person who has been a part of this now and you're 32, you say you feel old. I'm I'm I'm 44 in a week or two weeks. So so I'm a little bit senior of you, but but I haven't been around a lot of that stuff.

I mean, I've been I've been in pastoral ministry for 18 years. I became a pastor at 26 and been in the same church ever since. And so I, you know, I see the politics. I listen to the news and I see the things going on.

But I but I I haven't been engaged like you have. So I do have some things that I want to talk about. And that's why I asked you to come on today, particularly you put a tweet. It was February 3rd, 2nd, somewhere around in there.

You posted a tweet. And as soon as I saw it, I said, you know what? I need to have Johnny come on and talk with me. You had been a part of a church suit episode, which I was very thankful for. You're very gracious to participate in in my foolishness.

But but I was thankful for that. So the tweet that you put out and I'm having a little technical difficulty, but I should be able to bring it up. The tweet that you put out initially just said there's absolutely zero biblical justification for voting Democrat in 2024.

And then you reinforce, you said zero. And and I know that that I believe where you're coming from. I know where you're coming from. But I know when a lot of people hear that, they would immediately backlash and fire back.

And well, what about this? Well, what about that? And what about this, that and the other? I want to ask you a simple question to begin with, and then we're going to layer it out and maybe some more more nuance.

But the first question that I would ask when I see a tweet like that, like I said, I agree with you. But if I was if I didn't agree with you, my first question would be, why would you say that? Why do you feel that's necessary to say?

Do you think that's helpful in establishing discourse? You know, that's kind of question people would ask. Right. So what are your thoughts as to if somebody says, well, that's not the way to win friends and influence people?

You're not going to get people to listen to you, Johnny, if they're on the other side. If you say that, they're going to see you as a creep. Why even say it? And, you know, that's my first initial question.

And again, I'm not saying that I'm asking you from the perspective of somebody who might be on the other side and say, you know what, that's not helpful.

Why He Said There Is No Biblical Justification for Voting Democrat

Yeah. And usually with this kind of stuff on on X, I'll throw something out there that's not exhaustive. And then also, of course, people are people are going to be like, well, what about the other side?

It's like, well, I know we're going to get into that, Keith. Like I've talked about the other side ad nauseam, probably more than any other Christian conservative content creator that most people have seen.

So I do try to call the balls and strikes. But when I say this, I believe this wholeheartedly. Like I mentioned earlier, my friend Virgil Walker, I know we had a viral video that was at the end of twenty three.

No, it's at the end of 22, December 2022. And that was a part of the rapid fire questions I asked him. Do you believe that there is a biblical justification for voting Democrat? And in the modern day, I don't believe so.

I think when it comes to the straight up abortion stance, you have the entire house on the Democrat side that says babies should not get any sort of care from a botched abortion. Just let just let them die.

They voted wholeheartedly. They don't stand true to there's two genders. They want a border completely wide open and a litany of other things where they're trying to push this radical race and gender ideology.

And it's not saying, again, we're going to get into the other side.

So I know there's a lot of people like, wait, wait, wait.

I know this stuff I'm hearing from Trump or I saw this stuff from Warren Boebert. Or what about Nancy Mays at the prayer breakfast? I called it all out. But right now, when we look at the specific Democrat platform, does any part of that align with scripture?

And maybe if we find bits and pieces of it, like I know we can get into the aspects of social justice. Social justice has been completely redefined. Now, social justice is not the same as biblical justice.

You know, that comes from critical theory that came out of the Frankfurt School, which is stemming out of Marxism. You know, this is completely different ideologies that have absolutely. What it what it does do is it's rooted in postmodernism that now makes the individual or this group a god of their own making.

There's no that we have a sovereign God. There's no that we need to live up to God's commandments and his rules and his regulations that are clearly spelled out in the Bible. I just don't see anything on the Democrat side right now that lines up with scripture whatsoever.

It's become so unbelievably radical. And yes, I know this is a long answer. I'll finish off with this, Keith. People talk about the Overton window. So we used to like when we start here, it's just like you have the middle and it's just like to the right.

You have conservative. Now you're going to get to the right. There's like the alt right where it's just, you know, that's that's wrong, too. You can swing way too far right. And but the left, it was like we used to disagree just on like taxes and and little little things like that.

Now the Overton window is shifted. So now it's shifted to the left. So pretty much anything now in that middle point, which probably a decade ago, we'd say that's that's liberalism is now considered conservatism.

That's why you're going to see now there's an acceptance of even aspects of gender ideology. And you'll see the GOP give up on the clear definition of marriage. Marriage was instituted by God. It was designed by God.

But now, because that Overton window shifted, we're seeing those things and we can have that conversation. But I mean, the people I have asked justify as a Christian voting Democrat. There is no solid justification they can find for any sort of foundational standpoint that each candidate in the entire DNC is running on.

Generational Shifts in Democratic Politics

You know, there are people that and I'm thinking particularly of people who maybe were strongly Democrat in a previous generation. You know, our parents and their parents who who would even argue that maybe there has been a inversion of what was once Democratic values is now Republican values or vice versa.

You know that there has been somewhat of a changing of sides. And some of those people would. Be almost traditionally Democrat. And so, for instance, I have a I have a person that I know he's a an acquaintance who said he called himself a blue dog Democrat.

And what he meant, what, according to him, was he would vote for a blue dog before he voted for anybody other than a Democrat like like like like that. I don't know what that means, but that's what he said.

And and but it was because this was the tradition with which he grew up. And and so for a moment, I want you to speak to what makes a Democrat today maybe different than 50 years ago or even even when I was a kid, you know, 40 years ago.

Do you see a difference and do you think that it's fair to say it's not what it once was?

Yeah, and that's where I think there's aspects of when people bring up social justice. Now, there was social justice, basically campaigns or government run social justice organizations. We can call them now.

It's obviously I will always get back to. I think the church dropped the ball and the church should be the one that's, you know, caring for the lost and the needy, the orphan and the widow. And then now we're expecting daddy government to take care of that.

I think what the left now has done compared to 10, 20, 30 years ago is they want government to completely. Take care of them. Completely, that's what I think we saw during the pandemic, and that's also to again, we're going to get into the Republican side of things for sure.

But now it turns into I believe that government is the ultimate authority. They can show aspects of an authoritarian rule. We the people is been completely redefined or completely taken out of our system, like aspects of free speech.

We're now seeing censorship that's now being applauded. Yes, we're going to see some censorship and aspects of that on the right side. But there's been a complete totalitarian shift on the left where it's like, all right, now we have these social justice organizations that are totally radicalized.

Like something like BLM. BLM is quintessential Marxism that is applauded by the left. You even had one of the leaders of BLM say that like we are trained Marxists and the left pushes that. And that's where people that are going to be more on the Democrat side, they will try to justify people parading through the streets for someone that was unfortunately killed by a police officer acting as if that was killed out of cold blood, which was false.

They can parade in the streets, but you can't go and spend time in the hospital with your dying grandmother. You can't have a wedding in person. Those kind of things, I think we're seeing a totalitarian shift in an aspect of social justice that's totally changed.

And I think that's probably just a few things that I see. And again, there's people that could explain that way better. And I think people could understand too that from what I've seen, that's what I understand, especially in these Christian circles.

That's where people have a real heart for people in need. But if it starts getting to a place where we're going to dissolve our rights as individuals, the Bill of Rights is almost now just like chopped up or completely disregarded.

And we now need government to completely take over. We know that it can't be trusted. It's unbelievably corrupt. And I think what the left now is doing is they want to rule with an iron fist, which, of course, people on the other side, they've tried to say the same things about Trump.

And I think that's just mostly media fearmongering. But those are a few of the things I see on the left.

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The word gospel means good news. And that good news has to be preceded by some bad news. And the bad news is this, that we are all sinners. Sin is breaking God's law. So we stand guilty before the Lord of the universe.

But the good news is God sent his son into the world to pay the penalty for everyone who would believe in him. Jesus came into the world, lived a perfect life, and he died a substitutionary death for everyone who will believe.

And he calls us all to repent of our sin, to turn from our unbelief, and trust in him as Lord and Savior. And if you've never done that, I encourage you to do so today. Now back to the show. So would you say, and this is a total opinion, I'm just thinking about like statistics, right?

Would you say that in general, Republicans are more likely to be people who identify as Christians? Or would you say that there's sort of an equal amount or what? And my reason for asking is I do know that there are some or many Democrats who would identify themselves as Christian.

And we're saying that that's not really right or possible. But do you think it's just two different versions of Christianity? Is that what we're seeing, is one that's focused on one thing or one that's focused on the other?

Christless Conservatism and Progressive Christianity

Yeah, I definitely believe there's multiple forms of Christianity that people are trying to justify. So that's where people are going to be like, well, so if you tell us if we vote Democrat, we're essentially not Christian.

So if you vote Republican, does that make you Christian?

No.

There is, I've spoken at length about Christless conservatism. I talked on Alisa Childers podcast about that specifically, the dangers of it and how we identify Christless conservatism. So people can check that out for a little bit more exhaustive talk of Christless conservatism.

But specifically now, people that consider themselves Christians, that identify as Christian and vote Democrat, the vast majority, you would find that they are progressive Christians. There's maybe a sense of deconstruction there.

But I would probably maybe grant the classical liberal Democrat. So when we talk about people, it's like, well, you know, I do agree the Democrat Party is changed a little bit. But like people that probably wouldn't be informed completely.

I don't know how you couldn't be informed and still vote for someone like Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and Gavin Newsom and all these people. So I feel like they I don't feel like but I know, you know, even when we look at the Barna study right now, it's just the they're saying maybe as little as 4%.

Of self-professed Christians, adults that vote actually have a biblical worldview. So what's our main issue? Our main issue isn't we don't have enough Republicans in government. Our main issue is we don't even know what God says about these things.

So when people actually challenge like me that say, hey, in 2024, there is no biblical justification for voting Democrat. And if you can't come back and show me how their abortion stance, gender ideology, LGBTQ, open borders, government now has authoritarian powers to censor speech that they deem as hateful.

You can't you cannot justify these things at all. And then on the other side, you're going to have people like these MAGA Republican Christians. It's, you know, we've seen the nonsense that's out there, like everything is prophetic.

And, you know, Trump's our savior. He's a King Cyrus or he's a King David or they love using all these biblical terms. And then I'll also call out and say, literally look at everybody that is part of Trump's faith advisory board.

I did a video on this on my YouTube where it's like, let's dive deep into what Trump actually believes when it comes to his faith. But also knowing that is that just a Trump issue or does that bleed into the whole GOP?

There's a lot of people that start idolizing conservatism over Christianity. And they almost want you're going to have people like General Michael Flynn that's going to speak at a church and says, maybe some of your pastors should close the Bible and start reading the Constitution.

That is such nonsense. It's so flipped upside down. So that's where I'll call the balls and strikes. But yeah, there's multiple different Christians. And then you'll see people like you and I and other great brothers and sisters in Christ that have some sort of platform on X or Instagram or social media in general that talk about these things and say, Hey, we're going to call balls and strikes, but we're voting for a lesser of two evils.

Yes. But also at the same time, we don't see any sort of biblical redeeming qualities, statements, or a platform in general on the Democrat side that lines up with what we stand for. And I still to this day, I mean, I've asked so many people and it always comes back to it's like, well, Trump this or Trump that.

So all they're doing is deflecting and they're not actually answering the question because we're not going to go up to heaven. And, you know, it's not going to be like, you know what, Keith, we're looking at your voting history here.

And, you know, this is going to determine whether you get through those pearly gates or not. It's like that there is an aspect of, yes, we may essentially be voting for the death of the most vulnerable of our society through something that's called a human right.

You know, that's something that's pushed on the left quite a bit. And I think we're going to have to give an answer for those kind of things. But there's also on the right where it's like, no, we're not going to go up to heaven.

And our voting history is going to determine whether we get in or not. But I think that does determine our fruit. And I don't believe it's bearing good fruit if you're going to be considering yourself a Christian and voting Democrat.

Abortion, Gender Ideology, Marriage, and the Image of God

Gotcha. Gotcha. A few years ago, our church does open air preaching. And so we go out and preach and we chose to go and preach and hand out tracts at a Trump rally. It was in Jacksonville, Florida. I don't remember if it was the 2016 or if it was the 2020 election, but I know it was leading up to the election.

And I remember them there being Republicans in line waiting to see Donald Trump. And we're just walking by handing out gospel tracts. We're not you know, we had one of our guys was preaching sort of a distance away, but I was handing out gospel tracts.

And I remember several people saying to me, why are you here? We're Republicans. Therefore, we're all Christian. And it was like, that's not how this works. And there was a great moment in that because, well, it wasn't a great moment, but it was a good moment to show why that's wrong.

Because a man began to challenge me, saying, if you believe the Bible, you're brainwashed. If you believe the Bible, you don't think for yourself. And this is a guy standing in line to see Trump. And so I began to share the gospel with him.

And a woman behind me who was selling T-shirts, she began to scream, we're all energy. We're all energy and spinning in a circle like a weird hippie. And I was like, wait a minute. Isn't this the Trump rally?

You know, I mean, like I'm surrounded by a hippie lady and guy who doesn't believe anything about the Bible is true. So it just it was a good reminder that not all Republicans are Christian. But when we talk about the Republican versus Democrat divide, you've keyed in on a few specific issues that I think really are the dividing line.

And for me, when somebody says, what's the major dividing line, it's the murder of children. It's the murder of infants in the womb. And if somebody says, well, you're a one issue voter. Yeah, well, when the issue is murdering babies, I think I'm allowed to hold that as a very important standard.

But it's not only that. It comes from a worldview. And the worldview is what gives birth to that idea of abortion. So in that, I want to go back over what you said, because you said it's not just abortion.

But you said it's abortion, gender ideology, the sanctity of marriage. And you did mention borders a few times. And I want to bring that up later. I want to come back to the border issue, because I think there's a conversation that can be had there.

But on the three other things, is this not the image of God that we're really addressing is how we understand human beings. When we say abortion is the destruction of human life, gender ideology is the destruction of identity.

For God made them male and female. And the third one, which was, goodness, I forget now. But those things all go toward the idea of God making us in His image at the very foundation of our faith. And so are there other issues or do you think it is really boiled down to the smallest denominator and these are the things?

So does it go further than that?

Border Security, Law and Order, and Christian Responsibility

Yeah, I mean, I think those would be the three and four things that we can really ride and die on. There's plenty of people that would consider themselves one issue voters. And, you know, when I was outside the Supreme Court, people would say that too.

It's just like, all I care about is now we're talking about federally. You know, what is a president? What's his stance on abortion? And that determines how I will vote. There's people like that, but I think it stems from that.

And I think what we see on the Republican side, which is very, very, very flawed in many ways, there's still going to be, I think maybe like 10 years from now, like conservatism is just going to be totally redefined.

If we keep going down this route, if we keep compromising, and, you know, it's going to get to a point where like, unless we have some really legitimate Christian lawmakers from the state and federal level that start running, you're going to see both sides that continue to compromise on abortion.

They're going to continue to compromise on marriage. They're going to compromise at the border. And I think we can talk about that. I don't think there's been any nation, any sovereign nation, that has left their borders wide open and allowed an influx of people.

And knowing too, at the same time, people will listen to this and be like, well, John just doesn't care about the people that want to get away from poverty and the terrible situations that they're dealing with in South America and Mexico.

These people are coming from everywhere. I live in Phoenix, Arizona. There's literally a spot a block or two away from the airport where you're seeing people from Africa, South America, Mexico, all over the place.

They're coming through the southern border. They're shipped to a facility. They're put on a plane and they're dispersed across the United States. And we even saw during President Biden's State of the Union address.

You had a young woman that was killed by an illegal immigrant. If that person wasn't in the country, that young lady would still be alive. Fentanyl is just pouring through the southern border. These are kind of things we can have the legitimate conversation as Christians about.

How do we care for the needy? We can care for the needy without leaving it completely wide open. And then also, too, you have people like President Biden and Kamala Harris, who is the border czar. They are inviting these people.

And people have said that walking across the border.

Why'd you come?

Basically got an invitation from the Biden administration. And what's happened to young kids and women as they're making this journey? There's sex trafficking that's going on. I don't know if there's certain words that I can say on this podcast.

I don't want to get you demonetized, but just sexual interactions that are taking advantage of women and kids. These aren't good situations. And then also, too, we're getting to a place where a sovereign nation is not going to continue to be strong if you allow law and order to completely be disregarded when it comes to BLM riots.

And you're going to have a vice presidential candidate that just lets people go. And then people that just happen to be there. I'm not saying that January 6th was a good thing or should have been encouraged at all.

But those people rot in prison for a while. But the people that were literally burning and looting places. That's what the conversations we need to start having as Christians is how do we justify the way we vote?

And if people on the Republican side are going to be voting for someone like Trump, people like me, I'm going to call the balls and strikes. I want to have the best. If Donald Trump is elected, I want to have the best version, most God-honoring version possible of Donald Trump.

That guy does not show fruit of a Christian. He has done things that have been helpful to the Christian community in ways, no doubt. He's fought some very incredible fights. But also at the same time, you can't have those maggot Republicans that are just talking about energy and here's our workspace salvation.

That's what they really believe.

When I go back to almost checking off what your voting history was when you were ultimately judged, you don't get in because you're a Republican. Just like you don't stay out because you're a Democrat.

That's something that really needs to be defined as well is, yes, we still need to be able to justify biblically and not to Keith, not to John, like to the almighty God that I believe this is the most God-honoring way that I could show my right to vote.

And that's where I hope people would start holding people accountable, especially on the people accountable on the Republican side. Because, man, when I worked at Turning Point, I always hoped that it was righteous anger.

There were some times I got so incredibly pissed off for people that were using Jesus as just a trendy outfit, or using Christianity as just a nice slogan. It bamboozles so many people and makes them so much money.

It is such utter nonsense. And that's why I hope that Christians, you don't need to be so immersed in politics, but you should know enough and be able to recognize through solid wisdom discernment through the Holy Spirit that if this person is going to consider themselves a Christian or run on some sort of Christian platform, they're held to a totally different standard.

And they need to live up to that. So if Trump's going to consider himself a Christian, we hold them to the highest standard possible. And that's what I kind of hope that people see on those two sides of the issue.

Do you really think Trump considers himself a Christian, or do you think his overtures to the Christian church are political in nature? Do you really think he thinks he's a Christian? And I know you don't know his heart.

I know you can't judge his heart. I'm just saying based on, yeah.

Trump, Christian Identity, and the New Apostolic Reformation

Well, I mean, individually, I know, I could say from what I fully understand, and then the fruit that he shows, he's not a Christian. But I think he would maybe consider himself a Christian of some sort.

I don't know. It's almost like a Christianity of his own making. So that's why you're going to see a lot of the, you know, Paula White is his right hand woman. You're going to see a lot of people that are involved in the New Apostolic Reformation.

They're involved in Charismania, Prosperity Gospel that are surrounded around Trump. And he is a tremendous marketer. He knows how to play PR. And he has people around him that are literally saying, people like Paula White are saying just almost just like, you are godlike.