"Let's talk theology, BLM, and politics" with guest Pastor Ken Fontenot

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Can you show me anywhere in the Old Testament where that word perpetual is not perpetual because again, I

understand you're appealing again.

Sure, you know.

Wait a minute, I thought I was gonna get to have a talk.

You asked a question.

Hang on a second, sir.

Be quiet.

Okay.

Well, there you go.

I will mute you because it's not your show.

You asked a question I'm gonna give you the answer.

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To answer your questions.

Your host.

From striving for eternity ministries.

And we are live apologetics live here and who's in the house.

We got a dr. Silvestro here.

All right, we are together.

It's only because I got the lights on now that I got light in this room.

He wanted to come and see it.

So.

So we're we are live together.

Yeah get closer your mic down.

So tonight we're gonna have a little bit of a different show.

We're gonna talk politics like we've never talked about that before but we're gonna have a very interesting guest

and you know I don't know.

Should we should we before we bring him in?

Should we show what he his dress code?

Oh, yeah, you should show.

You should show.

Um, you should show something from his dress.

Yeah from his closet.

We should we'll do a team one first.

Okay.

So for those who are watching here Here's our guest in he and his wife in a nice blue blazer.

That doesn't that doesn't look too.

You know striking where it's no.

No that looks kind of team but I'm sure later on we're gonna have some more suits that he wears and preaches in that might

be um, Flashy.

Yeah.

Yeah, I can't pull off what he can pull off.

I admit it but This is I we should actually introduce ourselves.

I'm Andrew report.

Dr. Anthony Silvestro striving for eternity.

This is apologetics live.

If you have any questions on what we talked about tonight or just anything.

I just I just suck.

I just saw a comment.

Six feet y 'all.

We don't have quite yeah, we don't have coronavirus so it's okay.

Oh, oh, you know what?

I think I have a mask here somewhere I could wear no.

Yeah, this is this is the mess mostly like okay.

I'm wearing my mask.

I haven't worn a single mask.

Yeah, he's a rebel.

Yeah, John is saying that we're not wearing masks, how dare you John.

If I did have coronavirus, I would want to be right if I if I had to fight chickens all day.

I might wear a mask.

Yeah.

Yeah, that scares me more than coronavirus.

So.

The the tonight show we're gonna talk politics.

But you can feel free to go to apologetics live comm and we'll look to answer any question that you have.

Because I don't know is a perfectly good answer so I can answer any question that you have.

But let's bring in.

We got two pastors here.

First.

We'll bring in the guest pastor Ken.

Formal.

Fun.

Well, no, he's got.

You gotta have the French accent.

I think you know.

So pastor Ken, how are you?

I am doing great.

Oh glad to be here with you guys always a good time.

No, it's been too long since we've seen you.

I think it yeah.

Back in April's last time we were all together in person, right?

Yeah.

Wow, it's been way too long.

Yeah longer because this whole COVID thing is coronavirus brain.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No.

Someone wants you to eat the microphone Anthony.

Notice I just want for the record Anthony still got a microphone that matches his shirt.

All right, just for.

So he probably purposely wore black just for that all right, so maybe

we want to talk politics and and lots of things lots of things we.

You will give people warning though.

You do have just a couple of kids running around in your house.

So your things.

They're energetic.

So.

So what for folks who you know introduce where you're from.

The I keep looking this way because that's where the camera used to be.

Now.

I got to look over here.

So if you could introduce yourself for folks your church you pastor and you

know, you're now you used to be a Had a different job as well as pastoring so you found a few I

mentioned that what you used to do and How you used to do that and some of your degree and things like that go forth.

Cool.

Well, my name is Ken Fondo.

I'm the pastor of Bethel Baptist Church in Wilson, North Carolina.

I became a born -again believer in August 18th, 2004.

Shortly thereafter. I felt God's leading me in the United States Marine Corps Where is a really

I gained a lot of the basic skills for a leadership in life and In 2010, I was

called to the ministry in 2014 is When I took over and was ordained

into the current ministry.

I'm at been here about seven years so what started off as a small ministry, we still are and

maybe 10 to 14 members now, we're like 40 ish and Was a

bivocational ministry so up until July of this year I worked as a

sixth grade social studies teacher.

I've got bachelors of history bachelors in pastoral study

masters in public administration masters in teaching and learning

masters in counseling and doctoral studies in education.

So a little bit about myself.

Married with three kids and some people are thanking you for your service here.

Atomic pleasure.

Humble clay.

So so it sounds like you have more initials after your name than letters in your actual name.

Yeah, I was a glutton for punishment for a long time.

I'm finally no longer in college.

But that's fine because I'm becoming more productive.

With other things I Think I'm good with the degrees for now.

Yeah, absolutely.

Well, I mean you certainly have a lot of credentials.

So.

Well, you know, it takes a certain it does take a certain man Anthony to be able to preach at a pulpit.

Dressed like that.

That's right.

Look at this folks.

Right yellow.

So this is you know, it just almost looks like anything.

I don't if you remember the century 21.

Oh Wow.

Yellow jacket that stood out, but he's actually preaching at a pulpit with that suit on.

Master Ken forgot to say he has a master's in fashion design.

Yes, so we're gonna.

Cuz he can pull that off today.

I.

Would pull that off.

Yeah, it's great.

So, you know, can I what I wanted to start off with?

Thank you for coming on today.

I was I was so excited in reaching out to you to be able to get you on the show.

We should have had you on a lot sooner, honestly but.

We met for any for.

Yeah, we met in California at us at Academy.

Yeah.

Yeah, so you were on my team and so, uh, you know and Andrew and I we

both help lead teams.

And we combine our teams at our best Academy so people can see the best of both of us.

90 % me 10 % Andrew and.

And the reason for that is because my 10 % equals his 90 % so.

That's that's keeping it equal.

That's common core math right there.

No, I don't seriously know, you know, we want people to be able to see both of our styles and and have

Just get more experience that way and so, you know, can you were on my team?

But of course you benefited from from everybody.

Are you doing apologize atomic apologetics just what read that?

For folks who are listening on the podcast You're gonna have to go to the YouTube channel for this one just to see the suits.

But but yeah, that was a bright yellow suit.

Yeah.

But so so that's where we met and and I remember actually Talking to you by phone because we are we're

supposed to.

I don't think everybody does this but I actually call every one of the guys in my team and talk to him.

I talk about expectations all that kind of stuff and You just you floored me.

Some of your stories.

It's what you explained it more thoroughly while we were actually together in person.

One thing that really impressed me about you is is that you evangelize and.

Look when a pastor.

Okay, let me let me start here.

A church is a pastor's responsibility for his church is to disciple his church train his church up.

The number one responsibility for that church when they walk out those doors is to go evangelize the

world and.

There's a disconnect between Good preaching even in good churches, right.

Good preaching.

Versus what is going on in terms of their members going out in the rest of the world and doing other

Evangelism and and I've often said the only way you get your church to actually on evangelize is when you have a pastor who's Willing to go

on to evangelism and not every night.

It's not even once a week, you know.

Get out a few times a year and then talk about it from the pulpit.

So that you're setting the stage and you're setting the example for the rest of your congregation.

Well, you go far above and beyond.

What almost every pastor does and really with all the work that a pastor has to do.

It's amazing to me that you were able to get that much evangelism in so so, okay.

That's for the first story.

You have got to share with.

Is is the one time you know what I'm talking about the ones that we're going through the the good person test

on the street.

So so please share that story with the listers.

This is hilarious.

Okay, so I think it's actually got I know the guy's name and I ran into him again.

I'm not gonna drop his name right here.

But I was out early.

I don't know mid -morning ish and My philosophy was simple.

Nobody was at the door.

I'll leave a gospel track if I catch somebody outside.

I'll start a conversation.

I mean, it's very easy, right?

Very black and white either someone will be available to talk or someone won't and most of the morning you catch at least one or

Two to talk to you and a lot of times because you're there they will so one day I was talking to this guy.

You know, I always ask people my jump -off question.

Do you believe in heaven?

And then of course, I'm in a religious area.

So most people say yes, then I say well, you know, how do you get there and After they

give me whatever answer they give, you know death be a good person blah blah blah this baptism, whatever

I usually say well are you familiar with the verse that it's appointed unto men once a die and after this a judgment and

Almost 100 of time they're gonna say well, no, I'm not then I'll say well, you know

Eternity is a long time.

Do you mind if I share with you how you will be judged wouldn't you want to know and of course?

They're typically gonna say yeah sure go for it.

And then I will just go from there.

It's a thing commandment.

So I'm going to this guy, you know, have you ever lied?

Yes.

I lied to you.

What would I be a liar?

So, what are you gonna be in God's eyes you like well liar and then finally we get to that should not kill.

Usually I almost always get people and say no I've never killed anybody.

Then I explain how Jesus said hey man hatred is murder.

So yes you have but in this day I said hey, have you ever killed anybody?

He paused briefly said yeah.

Okay.

Well, you know man sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

I'm like, okay I said so bro based on that for you when you die and

God judges you according to his righteousness.

Are you gonna go to heaven or hell?

And what's interesting is despite all this confesses.

He's like well heaven I said, whoa.

How do you please give me that back you just said you're a liar thieving blasphemer and you actually have killed somebody like you

took Why are you going to have it you please explain that and you know.

We get we hit right there that most common theological area that you know, God is just going to forgive my sins.

You know where people forget The payment that Jesus made and that the only reason the only way

to accept that payment of Christ He made for us on our behalf is.

You know by faith and that is through Christ alone.

So it was a interesting conversation.

Well, you know, I think I told you this in California when we met was I had a similar thing though it was a little

different.

I was evangelizing the mall and.

Stopped the guy asked, you know, do you consider yourself to be a good person?

Are you good enough to go to heaven sound like that?

And he said I'm an awesome person.

I'm going through.

Right and I said, have you ever murdered someone just like you waiting for the.

No, so I could say well God's Godstandards so high judges our heart.

He says if we're even angry with someone he judges as murder the heart.

That's where I was planning to go.

He says yes.

So now I'm thinking maybe he does.

He's confusing murder and killing.

And so I I turned to him and I said, you know.

Are you in law enforcement or military thinking, you know.

Maybe he did it in the line of duty and and he turns to me and says they weren't legal killings.

We're plural now granted part of me wanted to take a couple steps back.

But I don't know why I did but the Lord did I guess put it on my heart to turn to him and said Let we go back to that

very first question.

And I said when I asked if you think you're good enough to go to heaven and he goes.

Yeah, I guess it's not sounding too good right now.

You know what though someone said they missed the picture of him in his yellow suit.

KT that's that's for you so you could see him preaching in his yellow suit.

I mean you and I think actually I were eyewitnesses to that suit in at the pulpit.

I think so.

You you've done you did two of them.

I think I think we saw.

We might have saw the yellow.

I know I did the red.

Yeah, cuz I had the red and blue.

Oh look red white blue day.

Yeah.

Angie is saying that your sunshine.

So we had a question for you from.

From John atomic apologetics.

Does pastor Ken do precept?

And you talk about pre and the words my famous doctor friend here priest up a little priest supposition of

apologetics.

Actually, no.

Longer than the other one knew it.

I'll let you figure out.

Never personally gotten into it.

I'm not reading books on it.

Honestly, I Simply when I talk to people start off with the law.

Here where I'm at.

You don't get ever into apologetics really because everybody believes in God they say.

Really what I discover is that content of the Bible is lacking like for instance of Ten Commandments one

time I was out.

I had a guy dealing drugs in front of my church, right?

So I go to this guy the holy I'm complaining in my heart and God says why don't you go talking instead of sitting there?

Running your mouth.

So okay.

I walk out and I go talk to the guy kick up a conversation.

We talk start talking about spiritual things.

He's willing to talk to me.

I was like, okay Are you going to have when you die?

He says he was.

I go through the Ten Commandments again, and then he's he's convinced He's forgiven.

So then the Lord brought to me Matthew 7 21 through 23 I said, can I ask you a

question man?

Cuz you just told me you're lying thieving blasphemy you're doing all this stuff.

You should convince you're gonna go to heaven.

But I said, did you know? that Jesus said in Matthew 7 There are gonna be

people Who I'm judgment they will come to him.

They will have cast out demons.

They will have done Miracles, they will have worked in ministry all their life and he's gonna look at them

and say depart from me.

I Never knew you.

Then I said, how would that feel if he were talking to you?

And as soon as I said that man that guy flushed white he turned pale his

like whole countenance changed and he looked at me and he said

Horrible, and he turned around walked away.

I never saw him in front of my church again.

Never saw him doing drugs again.

He literally disappeared don't know what happened to him.

But I just know that the Word of God did what you said he would do so I typically stick in

Those verses where Jesus talks about that certainty of salvation.

The law leading to grace.

What is grace that basic thing?

I never get any anywhere anywhere outside of that room.

Yeah, so.

One thing I found fascinating in in terms of your your story and your evangelism is

is that For a while you're a bifocational as a pastor and you

spent years doing teaching.

So tell us a little about your experience.

Teaching is okay, so so just for the listeners understand.

Wilson, North Carolina.

This is Bible belt, right?

This is like like if you look at the belt, this is like the center of the Bible belt.

So this is why it doesn't matter if you've you know.

Unfortunately kill some people that you still somehow think that you are Christian, you know as a result

of your your upbringing.

Right.

So how is it being in school as a as a teacher because you had some really unique ways in order to be able to

share Christianity with with people.

Yeah.

So first and foremost, you know when I got my teaching job the Lord told me very plainly and clearly

hey I brought you here and When you're done, I'll take you away so

I never Took to me.

I Find a lot of Christians who are in education Live like their Christianity has to

be separated from their job, which is absurd.

That's absolutely ridiculous.

If God gave you that job doesn't keep the job for you, right and your job as a Christian is to do excellent.

So first and foremost, I did my job excellently for those that doubt it 42 of my kids

pastor and the year test when I took the year I took over.

By the first time I had my first year 96 % passed, right?

So first and foremost because I was good at my job.

Nobody bothered me.

Okay, I taught 6th grade world history and religions.

Which I'm supposed to teach Christianity along with Buddhism Hinduism Islam

Mormonism you name it.

I had to teach it so very simple philosophy.

We live in an all Christian area.

I had some Hindus in a few Islamist Islamist.

What I would do is very simple every time I preach a world history Opposite of Christianity

I would compare it to Christianity and preach the gospel.

I was like, okay, there are two religions folks.

There's a religion of works.

These people say you've got to be a good person.

This is how you get there.

You got your five pillars.

You got the fourfold path, whatever.

And then there is the religion of grace, let me tell you what the Bible says and man I just I let her rip in

class and it was amazing because I mean I kid you I don't see the Holy Spirit all on.

These kids they would start off up here and then as more of that priest it was just like you could see.

It's sinking in like kind of like contemplation was happening captive audience and was

amazing is I would do question and answer time any questions about anything I said and

Automatically every time I did that class would go over.

We would make it beyond the bell what people like.

Oh, I got a question about the Bible.

What about this?

What about that and these kids would just rip off all these questions about the Bible awesome questions.

And it was it was amazing.

So honestly, I just taught what the Bible said.

That's it and walked the wisely did my job.

Well, and God really blessed it I've seen a lot of kids converted that way a lot of kids.

Who'd never been to church finally hearing what church is about and I had good relationships with all of them and.

Even it was an amazing time.

Yeah, I was gonna say that it's almost like that was your church growth methodology because when we were

done both time most of the Most of the students more most of the congregation were like your

students.

Yeah, yeah.

We saw a lot of kids come to church through that and even to the day like when I go around Wilson.

Because I was in that class for so long.

I know so many people so if you were to look at my network through this town.

Man, I've got a pretty deep network.

There's almost nowhere.

I can't go and almost no one I don't know in some way shape or form.

Well, which allows me to make a big difference and do a lot of things here.

Maybe because you did something else that you're trying to do career wise.

Well before before we get to that though Important concept

here.

I want to make sure that that gets highlighted and I'm gonna share a quick story on my own In my own dental

practice when we had still owned it.

Wait, you were a dentist.

Yeah.

Yeah at one time still am still am but so When we were

on the practice, you know, Julie had after Julie and I got married.

She started at the office working front desk and within a year or so She's like, you know, I want to start putting scripture up on

the walls.

And I was I was a little more nervous about it right I'm like, how do we do this without offending, you know.

Again, this is completely wrong the way I was thinking at the time, right?

But it's where I was at.

So, you know you know, what are people gonna think and this and that and and She says, you know, I think about

doing it this weekend putting just a couple things up and and I wasn't really too thrilled about it

and and Finally okay, you know what you should do it the reality.

She's probably gonna do it anyway.

But you know it was she put up scripture on the walls and Next thing we know

first person that comes in Monday morning Notices the change and as he's walking in the back

says I'm never coming back here again.

Mm -hmm 13 years ago now 12 13 years ago never come back here again.

So first patient my worst fears come true, right?

And other people noticed it throughout the morning.

I had another patient first thing in the afternoon so the exact same thing never coming back here again, and We

stuck the course we left left the things up and what was interesting is that God continued to actually

bless our office after that.

Sending lots more patients over the years a lot of Christians but the thing that we should always

Make sure we understand really well is is what you said about doing your job.

Well, right and so People will respect you when you are a respectful person

when you do the right job and Those are things that that help gain

your and not to be pragmatic.

Right, but just just in the sense that you do it you walk the walk that you are talking.

Yeah.

You know, the Bible is very clear, you know, whatever your hand finds to do do it with all your heart mind and soul.

I mean that means go above and beyond and that was my what I was known for.

I was the only teacher I did home visits.

I tried to visit every kid in my class.

I a lot of times I couldn't do it because I taught like a hundred kids.

But man every one of those kids I was on their doorstep, you know, I would call kids.

I would call parents not just when the kids were good or when their kids were bad.

But when they were good and the parents are like shocked away, why are you calling me?

My kid didn't do it.

They're like no, he did a great job.

I just wanted to let you know and That went so far.

So when you distinguish yourself as a believer.

To be the light in the salt meaning that you shine you're right.

And your salt you add something to the environment, right?

You make it taste better.

It opens the door for the gospel through excellence.

How many people that were hostile to the gospel in our office kept coming back though because we gave

great service as in dental office.

But you know how many times some of those people that were hostile or or at least not wanting to hear it.

Two years later three years later six months later when they had an issue in their lives.

Guess what?

They're doing picking up the phone calling Julie my wife and to ask her

questions about Janity.

It was actually honorable to watch that ministry over the years in our office.

So so yeah, it's it really really is cool.

So, you know, I I had remembered that about you and you're in your teaching and everything.

So great stuff.

Okay, so let's let's start getting some more some meat type of stuff.

I'm done.

Thank Angie wants what?

I was just gonna say before we go to the next topic.

I think we should put up another picture.

Oh, yeah.

Let's let's save this one for last.

We should show his family so here's Family.

His wife is wearing a red dress which you know looks fine.

But check out the red suit and matching time.

Looks like he's got vendors.

They're Great looking kids.

It's good that they take after mom, but but check out.

There you go.

He's even matching the almost matching the red door behind him.

Actually your kid your wife and kids are very sweet.

We've yeah the last time I was able to take my wife and son down and they just had a blast hanging out with your Wife and

kids.

So, you know, we're looking forward to coming down again and visiting you guys.

So yeah.

Where we're planning everything for what we've been talking about with a Institute take our guys their

next level.

We're working on it.

Here's I actually have some more for you probably by tomorrow.

That's great.

We'll talk by phone tomorrow then so cool.

So as Andrew, I think Andrew wanted to ask the next question about some other aspirations you had.

So oh.

Oh those aspirations.

Yeah, so so let's get it.

So there's another way that you kind of got to know people in the community.

Because not only were you pastoring a church.

Not only were you teaching full -time and doing more than most teachers and doing home visits and things like that

but.

You know, oh wait, look at what he's referring to the suit.

That suit is red -hot.

Only all of that.

But you decided you were gonna try your hand in something else.

And for folks who are listening on the podcast.

You have a little bit of melanin in your skin.

And you were you were doing something that most Would think you wouldn't do especially

with a certain party.

What were you what were you trying to do career -wise there?

So.

2018 I Ran my first time for public office.

I ran.

Or the North Carolina State House of Representatives.

Which for here is an election every two years.

I ran as an independent conservative with North Carolina Republican Party backing

for here and it was a.

You know, honestly, it was a wonderful learning experience and it you know, it went really well.

I ran against a nine -term incumbent extremely liberal Democrats who I

almost beat.

Because I lost by 400 votes and this was 30 ,000 votes cast now.

This is where I say I did win.

Because one we weren't able to do an audit of the votes because there are a lot of dead people that voted and a lot Of people's votes were

stolen.

I saw this at the poll myself.

But whatever.

She had a budget of $100 ,000 given to her by ex -husband.

Who's congressman.

GK Butterfield and He's the leader of the Congressional Black Caucus another liberal

organization and I had a $20 ,000 budget so dollar for dollar.

We crushed her dollar for dollar.

I shouldn't come close.

But we absolutely positively nailed her and so, you know what my political

future looks like.

We'll see, you know, there's always something on the horizon.

It's every two years and really once you do the first time it's scaling up after that and deciding What do you really want to do

in the long term?

But it was a phenomenal experience.

Well, and I know Anthony's got some questions for you.

But you know, the the reality is in our current political market people

assume or think that If you are black You're by

default Democrat.

Yeah, well the even have a guy running for president who says if you're black and you're not.

Not really black so yeah, well, you know, I'm not surprised that

people think that because you know what the one thing we learned from history is that people never learn from history and especially

our current Democratic nominee Joe Biden.

I'm pretty sure he's pretty ignorant history because you know what people will say.

Oh the Democrats have given so much to the african -american community.

Well, I would agree in this sense.

Yeah, you know the Democrats gave us the KKK the Democrats gave us Jim Crow laws.

The Democrats filibustered the first civil rights bill which came out in Dwight Eisenhower's administration.

It was a Democratic governor who stood at the University of Alabama and said segregation now segregation

forever.

It was a Democrat gave us a 1964 Great Society bill which destroyed the black family.

Then it was Democrats that gave us Roe v. Wade and now Democrats gave us a new

Militant wings of their party.

Antifa and Black Lives Matter wish to show you that if you do it disagree with them They're gonna try some way to kill you or burn

down your neighborhood.

True.

I think I'm gonna cut that into a clip.

Yeah promo.

This is one of the greatest rants.

And we're seeing from different people online that they're they are very thankful for the for that because you know.

That's the thing and I dealt with that on my most recent rap report podcast where I asked the question

Think of who is the first woman woman female justice and most people think it's Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Right, but it isn't.

It's actually Santa De O 'Connor a 20 and and and that's the whole thing.

They end up making a narrative as if like if you're black you

you have to vote Democrat and yet the party that's actually Supported the liberties for

black people has been the Republicans.

In fact, that's the very the very reason that the Republican Party started.

Was over the issue of slavery and freeing slaves that way this party was created for so it's

so interesting that the blacks would support the people that Bless you, and I

think he's keeping them enslaved in a different way.

They're enslaved.

Yes thing on welfare.

They're enslaved by keeping them uneducated to keeping them in broken families all for their vote.

Yes, exactly.

And that's 100 % you follow the scheme, you know.

I think what the Democrats have done well is what they always do well, and that's be kleptocrats.

They still extremely well I think Democrats have infiltrated public school system and Democrats

have definitely infiltrated college.

I mean everybody knows you go to university for the most part.

It's gonna be a liberal wing of Ideology and what they've done is lied to people that the

Democrats have somehow helped African Americans.

Well, you know if what they have done is helped me then, you know, I don't want their help anymore.

You look at 1964 after Lyndon Johnson passed a Great Society Act.

What happened?

Well black families suddenly instead of having out of wed births out of wedlock births 20 of

time.

It became 80 % of time.

African -american incarceration went up 300 and look at our current Democratic now

Pass a three -strikes law which increased black incarceration by like 100

or more.

So yeah, this is nonsense.

I mean the only way you become a Democrat as black is Ignorance or you know what intellectual pride

because you don't want to admit that what you're doing is wrong has never really benefited you.

And it is wrong.

So Atomic apologetics says this the biggest threat for the Democrat Party is

the male black vote message of changing thoughts on that pastor, I.

Think the male black vote is Swinging more conservative for instance that crazy

chick Stacey Abrams who ran for governor of Georgia.

People didn't put put it out there, but she lost because the male black voters went for camp.

That's why she lost when you look at it.

It was a long party lines as they expected.

But there was someone they swung and he swung successfully male black votes in Georgia.

And now you look at more male black conservatives CJ Pearson Kingface the rapper from

New York.

You look at Patrick Hampton.

You look at the Hodge twins.

You look at myself the the male black Conservatives is rising because it

doesn't take To have you to have a PhD in Political

science to notice that there's a different narrative on TV then it's going on a social media where you

can't control it necessarily and Definitely a different narrative what you hear in people's homes.

We're not idiots and when the media continually spins a story I think it has

the opposite effect than they attend.

They intended to try just oust Trump.

I think they only entrenched in my opinion.

They are gonna get killed or lose in a landslide this coming November.

Because people aren't stupid get out of here.

I mean some of their logic is ridiculous.

And so yeah, I think the male black vote is going to destroy the Democratic Party.

I think.

I think the only thing I'll keep them from having a landslide is all the meaning that they'll do.

Yeah built -in.

Right, well, that's why I think that why they want mail -in ballots, but you know.

Every time they try to do the mail -in ballot scam.

They somehow don't get them signed properly.

Notarized.

I think a lot of them are gonna be thrown out.

So we'll see how that goes.

Wow, so What do you think it's gonna take within within the african -american community to be

able to continue to educate?

Voters going forward.

Because that that seems to be the issue right it is is.

What they're singing and we're all seeing on TV.

I'm watching that vice presidential debate.

Well, I think so too but she lied the entire time

yeah.

And and and the thing I found interesting with that debate was the fact and you and I talked about this Earlier tonight was

the fact that the the every time Pence was gonna say like a zinger She's like time time

time time time.

And when Harris is over time she's like time and Harris is like I I need

All you you need 45 seconds to respond to a one -minute thing, okay, I'll give you a double the time.

Yeah, and then then when she's like, well, you know, I should get equal time.

Okay, we'll give you equal time.

I'm like, hello.

Are you keeping track of the time that that is your job?

You know, that was.

You know, the only thing that's gonna turn around this is a return to the gospel.

Yep I realize I grew up a liberal Democrat.

My mom voted Clinton, you know, my parents did not vote Bush.

They didn't vote Reagan.

They voted Democrat because that's what they all came from based on his ignorance when I became a believer.

I Discovered a very basic principle that one God is the Lord of all my life.

I don't need to leave God outside the polling booth because my family lineage Sorry doesn't work that way

and then when you look at it from there the Bible talks ad nauseum about politics.

For anybody it just wants to sit there and take this political.

Or take this convenient bow out of this the contention, but oh the Bible's all political get

out of here.

No, it's not.

I mean the Bible has politics running or all through it.

I'm in preaching expository through the book of Luke been there for a year in Luke chapter 3.

What happens at the end of the book.

John the Baptist is thrown in jail by a politician.

Oh surprise surprise, right and Jesus didn't exactly have kind things to say about him.

He called him a fox.

We don't think that's very serious, but that was a pretty strong blow from the Son of God John the Baptist almost

Generation of vipers.

So for you to people tell me I don't belong in politics at the pastor.

Well, they got to get out of it that that's just false.

So what we need in the black community where I see the deception at large and in the American community

where unfortunately Evangelicals who are on

the fence about certain things is like look.

What how do you believe the gospel informs your life?

You know when you look at it the Bible is clear we should Philosophically and always

have an advantage over everybody around us because the Bible we see the unbeliever sees this world for what it is.

They see nothing beyond that and they cannot the God of this world has blinded their eyes.

The believer though should be able to see the scene what's going on?

And then the unseen the spiritual warfare that happens behind the scenes, right?

We wrestle not against flesh and blood principalities power spiritual weakness and high places.

We should be able to correlate Jeremiah where God was so upset that he says, you know what?

I'm so sick of these people and their abominations that they burn children in fire that I'm gonna take their

value where they do it.

I'm gonna fill it with their dead bodies and not only that I'm gonna leave them there Uncovered so that birds of the air can

pluck their eyes out of their dead skulls and that dogs will eat their guts.

That's how strongly God felt about killing the unborn I Don't

know how we don't catch this correlation except biblical ignorance.

Could you try to be a little more graphic?

That's the second clip.

I've got a 34 42, okay.

Yeah, so so I mean it's I think for some refreshing to hear you

Speak as I'm reading the comments.

But I mean this is the thing that people don't expect to hear and

Especially coming from someone who's who's black.

This is the this is the thing that I've been noticing is more and more black conservatives are starting to

rise.

When you speak like this How do other blacks respond to

it.

Do you do you find people are Typically more likely to listen to you

get explained conservative values or do they not like that?

Pretty much.

You know what.

I Was blessed to actually have a following.

So when I ran for office and that explained this from a biblical and conservative perspective because I never cut the two out.

I like really like how Pence did that last night.

He said look I am this the end.

So when I would do that what you'll find when you run our polling record is okay.

In the county where I ran there are 8 ,000 Independents 8 ,000 Republicans 15

,000 Democrats and so technically speaking I should have

lost by 8 ,000 votes right because it's 8 ,000 independents if you just go down party lines and 16 ,000

Democrats.

Well, what you discover is I snatched several thousand Democrats from her

side to my side.

Voting with a conservative independent aligned with the Republican Party.

Why.

Because they were hearing truth.

That's why you know ignorance.

You would think in the information age people would be so unknowledgeable.

But they are and I discovered you cannot assume what people should know.

We need to ask some questions a lot of times.

I just say that I did a video once I said What party gave us Jim Crow laws.

What party gave us this that and the other and then when I said Democrat I mean man that video went viral.

Because people didn't say it wasn't true.

They were just blown away by what?

You do the research and it speaks for itself.

So I get typically good reception a lot of times.

But why is everybody in the community and everybody.

Why have so many people in the african -american community bought into it.

Then why they?

Yeah, I would say they bought in one.

Okay, so let me explain the what I the way I think Bible teaches How to develop a culture, right.

So if you look at the biblical blueprint for a culture You have a family and the family is responsible for the

education of that generation.

First and foremost the education of who Joe Jehovah is and what he's done Psalm 78.

Okay.

Then you also from that education have the basics right reading writing and written we as the

Puritans would say you teach all these things for the glory of God and In teaching those things for the glory of God

you cannot study the Word of God if you cannot read it.

Right and your mind needs to be sharp.

You cannot discern if you can't do these other things that go along with it well.

What you discover is the Democrats have destroyed both of those pillars in the black community first.

They destroyed the black family with 1964 Great Society Act where they incentivize

welfare through Incentivize or they gave welfare through incentivizing single -parent homes in

essence they said we will gladly give you food stamps and a place to live and Allow you to live

that way for years if in depth or even indefinitely, but you can't get married.

Well now what you're saying is that you know what you can have government benefits.

But you cannot have a husband and most of them follow that which is.

Or In this category with fatherlessness, so what's the result happening there?

We'll see you've destroyed the family so can education really take place.

No, what you'll discover is that after the Great Society Act not only was a black family destroyed, but

Also the education of African Americans fell.

You look at post -civil -war education.

African -americans were brilliant in their fleet in their field.

George Washington Carver Booker T Washington you look at him.

I mean, yeah the Tuskegee Airmen.

I mean man black education was amazing.

Despite the disparaging differences in financial situations.

Why.

Because you were taught with the basic discipline of a father and a mother and a household you take away the father though.

What happens that basic discipline disappears?

So then when you start destroying the education system, can you really pass on

religious values?

Can you really pass on the gospel?

I would argue you cannot.

Of course you can get saved being illiterate.

Yes, you can but as Paul says in Romans 2 It's every advantage to have the Oracle to

God.

But in order to reap that advantage guess what?

We've got to be literate and because we're lacking basic literacy in the black community.

They are like sheep gone astray being destroyed and a Satan the pasture of Satan with no one

to lead them.

It is impossible or Nearly impossible.

I would say to really work with people whose educational attainment has been in the dumps through public

schools.

Which is why the Democratic Party doesn't want school choice has nothing to do with Equality it wants

to be what has to do with keeping a whole swath of the population ignorant.

I'm just kind of speechless.

I kind of like it when you get him speechless.

I.

Facebook that people will not want to miss this show.

You did not want to miss this show.

I Just gotta ask this question cuz you've used both terms now.

Ken hand does this really well he goes.

I'm not white, right?

Black.

Yeah, obviously we have just different amounts of melanin in our skin and and different different

layers within the skin.

But but I am tan.

You know, obviously the Bible teaches one blood one race.

Yeah, and you know, one of the things that gets me just It gets my blood boiling with all this black

lives matter stuff.

Is that when Christians are using the terminology of the secularists?

Doing.

There is not multiple races.

There is one blood one race.

And stop kowtowing to what the secularists keep saying their narrative.

Yes, so I don't know if you can speak to that at all in terms of What you see

within.

Like are we making headway cuz okay?

I'm a Genesis guy right.

And you know, we've taught really church in it, right?

I didn't know you know of any other Bibles, you know, there's 60 other books of the Bible.

They say that yeah I.

Give Anthony a job.

Can you please preach it?

No.

Colossians 1, you know where he ends up?

Yes.

You preach on Romans Genesis keep.

We're doing a conference on family.

He ends up in Genesis, I mean God established marriage and having kids

in Genesis.

I'm gonna miss that one.

It's kind of right in your face, right?

I'm like, you know part of the dominion mandate.

Go out multiply subdue the earth.

I Think unfortunately for Christians is this, you know

when I first became a believer.

There was this whole issue with evolution and I really do think people like Ken Hovind Ken ham

ray comfort really Brought around a lot of doubt to the evolutionary

theory now.

First off as a believer should be no doubt as to the origin of man.

Look, it says six days man.

Okay, it's a little creation Jesus referred to it as such the New Testament first was as such

it's just over and over it's there, right?

It's there you look at the link genealogy of Jesus, right?

It goes to Adam part of the problem of why so many Christians are so

off in how they Engage culture is they're unsure of their own culture,

which is why they don't believe all nations are of one blood.

You know and what I find Disappointing.

It's like man the material against evolution has never been better now.

I will not say the church has encouraged me in this regard.

I will say Secularists have I'm meeting more and more secularists who just admitted to me up front.

I don't believe in evolution.

It just doesn't work.

You know when I look at it, it was like wow.

Yeah, no, duh, which you can tell that to my church ridiculous.

So I would say the biggest Secularist or Christians not

engaging kosher appropriately.

It's like they have no grasp of the Bible, you know.

It's one thing to have a sword the Word of God.

It's another thing to use it appropriately.

Right biggest example is if anybody remembers the movie the ghost in the darkness Val Kilmer

fighting off these two crazy female Lions that are Absolutely nuts.

Yo, yo, we're called apart.

We're like he has to take a shot at this line.

It's charging him right and he misses because like that lion Was moving pretty quickly.

Hey, right and the correlation for the Christian is like look You're not gonna take on Satan or his

adversaries if you can't use a sword of the Word of God.

It's the problem not the Word of God.

It's these lazy servants who have in their hand who cannot wield it appropriately and just lay it out there

and leave it there.

It does what it says it will do and it always Accomplish this is perfect.

So.

In the Word of God, I think that was sound clip number three.

I'm taking now.

All right.

So a time.

Well, we shouldn't get into that yet.

That's gonna be our next topic.

So let's hold off.

Let's hold off on that one.

Well, no, I gotta find that question in there.

Okay, but but you know that that gets me going to though because how do we answer as Christians?

How do we answer?

Homosexuality.

Very well, what does the Bible say about it?

Yes.

How do we answer homosexual marriage?

Well, what does Bible say about marriage one man one woman?

How do we answer this these issues of transgenderism?

Gender fluidity and all this other nonsense.

Bible says God created the male and female.

Period like we can go back to these things.

And in this issue of race is Is unbelievable because clearly it's one blood one

race.

We are all from Adam and Eve.

He was named Eve because she's the mother of a live all the living, right?

Everybody came from Eve and.

And the reality is that it's only in secular evolution.

That we get racism when you have the different monkey.

Deep species protos, whatever you whatever the scientists want to call them nowadays that somehow develop

different characteristics some of all better than others.

And of course all the books say that the The caucasoid, you know better than these.

Mongoloids and Negroes, so that's the thing that always told me when I hear people that are black

arguing for evolution.

I Asked them like do you not understand that what they're teaching is

that you are less evolved and more like an ape than me.

Yes, it's absurd.

I mean it absolutely kills me.

I think the biggest irony of one guy that recently is filming for a loop man is Seeking Steven

Spielberg.

I mean this is a guy who did Schindler's List cuz he's Jewish.

He adopted a black kid.

He did Lincoln right and it's like what you Back Nancy

Pelosi and Planned Parenthood, which only is able to kill these infants, which most of them are in black neighborhoods.

Because you dehumanize them through evolution.

Same argument different day and it's like, how do you miss that correlation?

So yeah, when African Americans get on this garbage of evolution, it's like man.

Did you even read the book?

Did you go back to Darwin's book and actually even nobody's saying because if you did you wouldn't be espousing this garbage.

Preparation of favored races.

Right in the title of his book.

Incredible.

Okay.

So here's it.

Here's an off -the -wall question.

Wait, this is gonna be off the wall.

I know I know.

Many his stories yet.

I mean folks you don't understand you and you know, and by the way pastor there there is

Someone if I could find out where it was again.

Someone wants you to come to Gaston County Cal

North Carolina there.

So it sounds like you might get a speaking invite maybe at a church there.

But folks you definitely want to reach out to a pastor.

Ken here this guy's got stories and.

So, okay, so here's a question a little off the wall, but it but it's serious too because.

Okay, so in my in my lifetime 43 years old I remember growing up and in the

term black and I again I hate these terms.

I hate these terms.

I'm just I'm trying to make sense of what's going on.

The term black was used for years, right and then it became politically wrong.

So then became.

African -american.

Well, and now before that it was colored.

There was colored in there before there's this right?

He's colored black.

Now we're back.

Like what's the deal I don't know I just I don't understand this I.

Couldn't tell you man, you know, my biggest issue with black lives matter.

Look at this if you were to compare interracial violence.

White against black black against Hispanic Asian.

I don't know that you see that very often because most Asians don't intermix.

Versus intra racial violence.

It is black on black.

It is Disproportionate and you ask yourself, what's the agenda, you know, for

instance, let's say just defund the police.

Well, you know look at where what has happened.

We're look where that took place, New York defunded a place and murders up 176 in

black neighborhoods.

So, you know for the secularists well.

What's happening is they're being deceived.

They think they're helping African Americans and are hurting them.

Yeah, go figure somebody from the government shows up and says I want to help you better run the weather way.

But for the Christian African American That says oh, let's defund the police.

What has happened is we're falling right in the trap of Satan.

Right because what's happening is you look at his work in 1960s took prayer out of school.

He destroyed the black family and then what happens after that we destroy black education.

What happens after that we go ahead politicize the black make them slaves on a Democratic plantation.

And then what happens to that now?

Let's get rid of police out of black neighborhoods and we continue to destroy African Americans as a whole

and so what happens we're getting hoodwinked.

Satan is doing what he's always done and people are being fooled into backing agendas that are ultimately destructive to

African Americans and It's a downright sham and most people don't see it.

I am encouraged in times like when people like Shaquille O 'Neal and Charles Barkley see it.

How that happens?

I mean, that's I don't know but I think it's interesting that they would call light to this.

Which tells me like okay people aren't ignoramuses.

Somebody's got to see the logic of other fallacies of these.

Yeah, but then on the other side we got LeBron James who is probably a billionaire now, right.

And he's like black.

Lives matter.

I've been oppressed all my life.

I'm like.

You know what?

I'm gonna say I wish he shut up and play basketball because he's not informed.

He backs China which has concentration camps on the Uyghur Muslims, okay, I'm

not Islamic I don't believe in Islam.

But I do not believe you should oppress them and I do not believe that they should be Treated the way China is treating

them and not to mention China's Violations of religious liberty and

personal liberty.

Get out of here man LeBron James getting paid off the back of other people and not to mention all the sweatshops where they make

his shoes for five to $10.

Yeah, right.

No more.

Amen.

Flip number five.

We got some clips that we're gonna Know.

I just want it.

I want everyone to know we've gone an hour in this show.

Pastor Ken has lit it up for an hour.

Yeah.

He is he is trouncing all this junk out there you mean.

Yeah, and but I have to point something out he didn't have to curse.

This is true, right?

I mean he was able to to really hard on things.

Really make his points.

Well, but but didn't have to curse in doing so.

What are you trying to say?

I'm just I'm just saying.

I mean, I know there's this guy out there recently who?

You know it, you know, it's skinny jeans and tatted up and you know, all that kind of stuff and.

Feels like.

And you know, he's not like a ninja turtle.

Is he might be.

Yeah.

No, you know, there's a pretty.

Well within reform circles, he's well known when you get out of reform circles just really tiny little in Christianity.

Nobody knows who he is.

I mean, I this is what cracks me up is, you know, when I speak with Andrew.

Um, I get into really good churches, right.

And we get into really good churches and we speak and so everybody knows the big names.

And reform circles.

Yeah, I speak with my griddle and other people like that which is the most

of Christianity right outside of reforms.

Reform circles you go to these circles like White John

MacArthur.

Let's goes on.

Nobody knows who these people are.

We all look at them as different celebrities and say I don't.

People look at them as different celebrities of nobody knows who they are.

You know, I thought we went through this with triple.

I mean didn't we already go through this where it was the in thing to do to use foul language.

But I get the problem I have With this this Conference speaker because

that's what it was.

Was that a conference?

Was he spent like three minutes saying how he doesn't allow foul language in his house.

His kids are not allowed to use foul language and then he goes right into rattling off language.

He said if anyone wants to hear me use fouling it would you know.

They would know that's not me and then goes and does it like wait, you know.

You were just about to say so it says it was on purpose.

I get really irked with pastors who and leaders who can't

lead.

You know, I mean I was the United States Marine Corps.

Okay, and like we're officers that curse.

Yes, but on the most part when you spoke in front of people You didn't do that

and it's not acceptable even at large corporations.

So why would it be acceptable in the house of God and why are we going into trash cans?

To and dumpsters to bring this garbage ideology into the house of God as if the English language

is not Expansive enough to allow us to properly speak with power to certain issues.

It's just it's just nonsense.

You know, I really like Martin Lloyd -Jones who I think You know shows us man.

You don't need to be hip to be relevant or powerful.

You know, you need this fear of God.

You need the Word of God.

It does what it's supposed to do.

You don't have to be reaching people like that.

I think are lacking In.

Well and and as a Brian says he's saying that that that Jeff Durbin was saying

that Jesus used foul language.

Examples of Jesus using strong language, but you know what he didn't make the case very well

because he was he was using terminology.

That when it is translated into the way that people try to use it today.

They try to make it sound like foul language.

But he didn't make the case that it was actually foul language in that day.

In other words, you know, there are certain terms.

That are not foul language.

It's right.

What's a faggot.

Well depends what you ask.

At one point in time, there's a bunch of sticks.

Yes, another derogatory term for that's when I practice homosexuality.

Right two very different meanings.

Because the culture changed the terminology so you can have something that was not

considered foul language.

But descriptive and then later is used for foul language.

And that was one of the words that he ended up using fits into that category one wasn't foul language at all.

So, you know, but but you know, it's like to justify his roots of foul

language.

Mm -hmm.

Let me twist the scripture to justify the sinful behavior.

I want to do.

Don't need for you know, I will say this.

I agree with John MacArthur.

He said if he's the last preacher alive to not use foul language.

He still won't.

You know and then that was went back when Driscoll was doing it, but I mean we are this face.

Why did you bring this up?

Anyway?

It was on my mind.

Okay.

It's a relevant topic I mean the biggest.

What really killed me about American Christianity and I say American because all these issues are talking about homosexuality.

This is this actuality this that and the other these are American issues because when you have a gun to your face

You're not going to be thinking about how you can please people to by cursing when you have someone who really might want to chop

Your head off.

You're not gonna be thinking about these things, you know.

It's it's an American issue when you get down to it.

One of the things that we absolutely ignore biblically that Jesus said He says, you know what?

The kingdom of heaven is like three loaves where a woman hid three leavens, right and it grows and then

after that he doesn't finish the parable and The only really way to kind of track down what he was saying is to start looking at

every time He said beware of the leaven up and he's Pharisees.

I just sees Herodians and What's the moral of that story, you know, just because something is popular or someone is

popular doesn't mean they're popular with God first and foremost and it's easy to become popular

by taking some aspects of Bible and Accentuating them to the point where you've just

created well division as well as a bunch of heresy and Unfortunately, we look

at people like oh, he's got a Metro Center.

Oh, he's got the compact Center.

He's got this Center he's the best -selling author and Are you telling me that is?

Approves him in God's eyes.

It doesn't and I think we suddenly don't realize that.

Yeah, no, that's right.

So sorry to get us.

You know what.

Because because one of the biggest Intern they try to justify biblically.

They're cursing but they also said well.

He was just being powerful in his preaching and powerful and the point is make him like, you know What we just had pastor Ken on for an

entire hour making even more powerful points.

Conference.

You know, here's the thing and I know I know you obviously you spun up the other pastor.

It's been in the background the whole time.

You know before you get the message up then here's here's the thing.

Anthony is what what is mind -boggling to me with with this case with Jeff Durbin is the fact

of the people who and there's several people who You know would be

against foul language.

A guy like, you know, James White who actually You know was at a conference many

years before and someone used foul language.

He called him out publicly from what I understand, but he was very much against it is now in this church.

And what's he doing?

He's justifying it.

Well what he's doing is not bad.

Okay, mr. Justin, I guess you're gonna he's gonna rant.

You just had to spin him up.

That's what you.

Hear.

And I just want to say that the reason that somebody does this is to elevate their

position to give it weight from misapplying scripture.

Pastor Kent said that just a minute ago.

You're misapplying scripture so that you can give what you're trying to say your argument.

You're trying to give it weight and the problem with that is is it is such a bad argument.

It is absolutely an An uncouth and a bad argument to try to take even

the word scooby -lon out of context like that to take it to mean that it is a

filthy vile word.

Like somebody would say, you know something, you know.

Very bad like he tried to try to use it to justify his language.

And the problem is here's the biggest problem as a pastor.

You are called to be above.

Not better than but but above you're called to be the example.

You set the example in everything you do your character your contact your con your conduct everything you do.

And so when you stand in a pulpit and you justify When you justify that type of

sin the problem comes that you what you do is you end

up opening the door up for other people to then piggyback on that and Justify their

sin as well.

They say well, hey Jeff Durbin did it.

Hey, Mark Driscoll did it now if you notice Mark Driscoll did it and he ended up destroying thousands

of people over it and when you when you Justified that your sin and you make

way for it other people are going to piggyback on it and say hey I can I can do one better.

Watch me.

He said this I could say this so that that's that's why I see it as

such a Terrible use of the pulpit and your your ministry and such a

bad example there.

Yeah, that's right.

So, uh, let's transition now I guess to how are you gonna transition from that to the other topic.

Easy.

Wait, here's my transition.

Oh.

Yeah, we should.

If we're gonna transition to this topic let's put this.

Here's the last picture we have of.

We say the best for last because only certain men can pull this off.

Only a real man can pull this off.

But here you go.

Big like lipstick with a monkey on the on the top or something behind you.

What is with that thing?

Oh, okay, so that is a Teddy bear my wife gave me but it's in

a wind chun dummy in the top of it.

Look at him pointing and all that that that that's that's the power move right there.

Look at that.

Yeah.

Do I feel manly in that.

I said, well, you know considering that I know how to shoot machine guns sniper rifles use knife sticks I have a couple

black belts and I've seen combat.

I said, yeah, I feel pretty good.

Yeah.

One thing I'll say on that is though is it takes a serious man?

You have to be very comfortable your manhood to wear pink.

And the brighter and the more hot the pink is the more manly you really are.

If you put that picture up there you notice that the two men in that picture are Seriously

manly.

So let's Atomic apologetics.

And a question he asked earlier to pastor Ken.

What are your thoughts on.

And I don't know who this is, but Jim Jamar Tisby and others like him who

twist the gospel to apply critical race theory.

Well, I don't know what your mark is.

B is personally.

I don't care.

I see the word critical.

I already know it's communist.

Right critical theory.

I studied it with my doctorate degree, you know, and the problem with critical theory is that one.

Quickly, the only way you ever believe it is brushing flushing the brain down the toilet, but for those that want to look at it

Seriously, okay.

What is critical theory?

It takes the truth that we do see that.

You know what?

Yes, human beings do get over on other human beings.

But it totally destroys the resolution.

They then hold that the way we take corrupt twisted human beings who are

subjugating each other to all this garbage is through the government's and

That will solve the problem is where I say they flushed your brain down the toilet if you take Politically

corrupt people or you take corrupt human beings and you put them in position of power.

They do what they've always done and that is Subjugate and destroy other people.

Our founding fathers had it right when they understood that you know, what people are corrupt.

We do need the Savior and the only way to maintain Liberty is checks and balances.

Checks and balances is across both aisles checks and balances between the judiciary the executive and the

legislative and Not only that people forget the fourth checks and balance which I think liberals have

thrown their brains on a train on this one.

It's the military because military officers and non -commissioned officers.

Take a commission and that is to stand against all enemies foreign and domestic and they have a charge.

If they ever feel the Constitution is being threatened, they can't legally take over the government.

It's funny because I think liberals are talking about this hostile takeover and they don't think.

Military will jump but when you look historically at when people were overthrown it has been the

military.

That's also brought things back into balance.

So critical race theory is flat -out garbage.

It makes government the Savior instead of God and no government has not ever saved anybody.

It will never save anybody.

Communism didn't work in Russia.

Communism doesn't work in China and it certainly is not working over here.

Economically China is doing well because they operate by capitalistic principle.

But socially and spiritually religiously China's in a dumps and there's a lot of unrest.

So critical race theory is flat -out nonsense for anybody who wants to run with that.

Well, you know, feel free to throw your brain away.

You know, I really wish you'd make your points known and stop beating around the bush.

Can you could you possibly be clear in I mean?

You know, you're almost sounding like, you know Harris in the debate, you know, just not saying your points really.

You know one thing that you gotta think about on TISB is the reason he's getting such a big name right now is

Because he's actually teaching critical race theory.

The sword in the trowel they actually been talking about Tom asked on those guys.

And John Harris says to that they've been talking about your Martis B.

He's been bringing in this critical race theory the critical theory which comes from the Frankfurt school.

It comes out of Marxist Teaching and it's actually start it starts from a

business model you know and it goes from the from the financial realm to the to the

human realm where where the crossover is is everything is white and

everything white is Evil and everything white people must be destroyed

in order to in order to make everything Equality come to bear

and so TISB and these others have brought in if you guys saw.

By what standard the video that came out that Tom asked all the guys put together.

They actually talked about this that it came on Proposition 9

at the Southern Baptist Convention when they forced that in.

They actually taught critical race theory and intersectionality as tools to interpret the Bible.

This is how you interpret the Bible.

Everything is seen through the lens of Marxist.

You know communist theory and thinking and I'm going to tell you we all know every one of us here I will

strongly affirm that you don't interpret the scripture, but how.

Through the script yourself.

You do not go through, you know this type of hoop jump.

Mentality of starting out with your theory that.

Everything why and and let's define what white means.

White means anything not black and it doesn't matter what race what what group you're in and I know we're only

one race.

But it doesn't matter what race you're talking about.

If you're not authentic black culture you are not.

You're you're not part of the the oppressed culture.

So you don't have a voice.

You know what kills me about that is like it's empirically just not true.

Like you cannot glance take an overview of history just a glance.

To see that it doesn't stand.

That it doesn't stand.

I mean you look at for instance, Rwanda.

Is that somehow not?

Blacks that's obviously.

Stupid.

You look at right now how the Islamic State and Boko Haram have some of the largest

Slave holdings through jihad in the world.

Yeah, and these are Middle Easterners.

Some of them.

Yes are African is Africans enslaving other Africans.

The only way critical race theory stands is if you put it in this little test tube of a college classroom.

You don't read books.

You don't investigate and you don't go deeper and that's what we have.

Too many people go to classes to simply be told what to believe they treat it like I don't know and

Suddenly they walk away worse than they were when they walked up the first time, you know.

It's a problem think about how terrible it is that we have went from being a culture that

that valued education to Being parents who

think valuing education means that you send your children off to any indoctrination camp.

That's around.

Oh, you know and whatever you want to go.

Look, I mean we have you know ETSU right down the road.

We have a Northeast state down the road we have a bunch of other Colleges in the area

and Every one of them are teaching, you know this this type of stuff, but the worst part is

it's being taught in You know life way materials.

It's being taught in Send in churches all over the place and you know Charlie Charlie Kirk and all these

guys were trying to warn against it for the longest time.

Tom Askell You know so many different guys are trying to beg and plead people to to see it

for the evil that it is because You said it at the very beginning It destroys the gospel.

It replaces the gospel with this.

It's really a works righteous system that that that It

changes sin not from what the scripture says sin is but from your your ethnic background.

Your generational curse your generational background and therefore you can never actually atone for sin

and you're never actually sure In the critical race theory model, you're never actually

sure when you've been declared to be righteous.

Hmm, you know and that's that's a terrible position to be in with.

Okay, so this one here yes, we got a question for you, okay, so this is again.

You know John should just come in here and ask these questions.

How would you how would you approach another black person.

Who.

Who would hear what you're saying and call you and uncle Tom.

If they wanted to dialogue.

Oh, like, you know, some people don't want to dialogue.

No, no dialogue.

The dialogue.

I would just ask some very basic questions because you know what if you really are able to defend your

False philosophies of liberalism then we need to talk for instance.

We I would go to the question I would go down my Democratic line.

Hey, man.

Who gave us this who gave us this law.

Who gave us that law and you know what?

Wire is Planned Parenthood placing 80 % of their clinics in low -income African American neighborhoods.

Okay, let you don't want to focus on America, let's look at Africa.

Let's look at a country That's mostly black and see how well they're doing under critical theory and all these other garbage.

You know because if you die the problem with America right now is that like we saw in the debate

people don't want to dialogue.

Because that garbage doesn't stand right in the light of truth.

Now if someone's on a dialogue the truth will be no, but if they don't want to dialogue, there's nothing you can do.

You shouldn't worry about it, but I will say sometimes it's surprising who's listening to what you're saying

because sometimes the most unsuspecting person could hear what you're saying and Be converted or change their

political philosophies and obviously spiritual philosophies when you start talking about the gospel.

So it would all depend on if they wanted to dialogue.

Yeah, so as we're here, we've got about 40 minutes left on the show for anybody listening.

Please come in to stream yard and and ask questions live about pastor Ken's ready to get

asked or to answer whatever you have to ask him.

I just subjects to do that.

Just go to apologize live comm you just scroll down till you see the stream yard duck.

Click on the duck.

That's all you got to do.

So so that should transition us into like the last major topic.

I wanted to get into and which is not fashion, which is not.

No, maybe that'll be the second time we have them on the show we can talk fashion.

That's it.

And and by the way, any other stories you want to share?

Please just just throw them out at us because I love I love all your stories, but

BLM.

It's all it's all so ridiculous, I mean.

How did so many people get behind BLM.

How are so many people buying into BLM and and watching the looting and the writing going on and just

Ignoring it.

I mean we had we had Kamala Harris on yesterday, you know yesterday in the in the debates, right?

No, I thought you meant on the show.

And and she she said peaceful protests.

Mmm, no, but it's the same thing the same thing peaceful protest.

That's because they now blame Trump for the protests.

So somehow Trump is the one causing the rioting and looting.

His followers are trying to give BLM a bad name.

Even though they were saying that the rioting and looting is reparations.

Yeah, I just what what's going on there.

I mean what what insight.

Yeah for us here.

Well, it's spiritual darkness first and foremost.

I speak to Christianity first because you know what for me to speak.

To the unbeliever without first hitting the spiritual is skipping a step, right?

So to the believer first black lives matter is responsible

for death mayhem murder.

Destroying whole neighborhoods and for a Christian to endorse an organization

that makes people that were mentally insane martyrs

and That takes the heinous and make them heroes is sin now I cannot tell you you're safe or not safe,

but I can tell you that you should know Matthew 5 and See very plainly that Jesus never said if you

hate if someone does one thing go ahead.

You could hate them.

No, he said love your enemy.

Jesus furthermore was said bless those that persecute you, you know, wherever people are with Martin Luther King.

It's pretty clear.

He did not do what we are saying.

Wherever you're at with him.

But focusing on black lives matters.

We have an organization that satanic.

Atheistic and demonic for the longest time.

The way I would deal black lives matters for is like don't read their mission statement read their mission statement.

I'm talking about Christian non -christian.

It just doesn't matter read the mission statement.

They said they're against Fatherhood.

Well, wow, that's an idea that came from God.

They're against a nuclear family.

Oh, that's another idea that came from God.

They were against.

Or they're for homosexual marriage and against traditional marriage.

Oh look.

There's another idea that came from God and then they also said they wanted to take children and make them available for riding

looting to participate in their activities.

So Jesus said, you know you take a child and you hurt that child through what you do.

He says, you know what put a millstone on your neck because on Judgment Day It'd be better for you to be taken Wilson and go to the bottom ocean in the

run Than to see me.

That's how bad it's gonna be.

So you look at black lives matter.

They blatantly and openly put out their anti God philosophy.

More recently though.

They did change their mission statement.

They simplified it now I don't care what they do at their mission statement their works.

Jesus said show them for who they are.

Jesus said by their fruit you shall know them.

So you tell me how is it the pastor of a large affluent Church the leader of the Southern

Baptist Convention?

Marches of black lives matter is flat -out ignorance.

That's what it is.

And what a shame for anybody to back this organization and to think you're right with God.

But you know, I'm not surprised because that's our Americanism.

Yeah, we have just have it your way Christianity we have this McDonald's Christianity.

Where you can go ahead and remove the pickles and do all those other garbage people want to do with Christianity and just make it.

What you want it to be but you know what my friend?

I think we're gonna find that we're gonna discover what Jesus said is that a lot of people on Judgment Day.

We're gonna stand before God and realize they never were walking with Christ because they never were converted.

There are a bunch of false converts and backing groups that are doing evil things if we can't do it as

believers.

We certainly can't endorse people that are Yeah, black lives matters is full of garbage

and I've said so I've made video posts on it and I've continued to speak publicly about it.

And I always will because you know what they're a bunch of Satanist running running amok.

Yeah, I agree completely with you.

You.

Know the thing is is that The reason I think it works is because the slogan and this is

true with every Marxist Organization they come up with a slogan that is

worded in such a way that to disagree with the slogan Makes you the evil person.

So when they say black lives matter if you say you disagree with black lives matter, then you want to kill

blacks.

Yeah, and if you say all lives matter somehow you're saying black lives don't matter.

Because you're not saying that there's the one that matters.

So like either way they set it up with such a way where it's the slogan.

Everyone's afraid to speak out against the slogan now and yet and the organization are two different

things.

Organization is a Marxist socialist political party.

They've admitted that and so.

That's not the what's behind the slogan black lives matter.

This is the difference.

Yeah, and I think Jonathan Isaac the Player for the Orlando Magic did an excellent job of saying why I'm

not wearing a black lives matter t -shirt.

Why that's not going to change anything and how the gospel does that.

Or a pro athlete that did what he did man.

That was mind -blowing.

If you haven't seen it, please watch the clip.

He did a great job.

Yep, I saw it.

Yeah, it was good.

So, you know going back to your your teaching days a little bit were were you forced to be part of the teachers Union?

No, no, North Carolina is a non -union state.

We call it right the work state.

So you don't have to join in unions here.

Unions are pretty weak here.

Our state really works.

Well without them.

We have a very North Carolina is number one number two economy United States right now and we

have No union.

You can't have one like they can be there but you cannot be forced to join and as a result a lot of people don't.

Because you can just negotiate your own prices and right here the free market economy works extremely well in our state.

Which I think is anywhere where you get rid of you especially forced to join.

Yeah, absolutely.

Well, so the reason why I asked you because I've done a lot of research over the last almost two years now into

Social justice and the different components of it with with critical race theory, which is now

critical theory and intersectionality and deconstructionism and whatnot and some of the stuff.

When you look at the history of Marxism, you probably know a lot of this that goes, you know.

It goes back to the French Revolution Lightman period marked Karl Marx picked up some of the same terms of the Enlightenment philosophers.

Ran with that and and developed it more got the Frankfurt School and it made its way into America and

1905 upper room meeting in lower Manhattan is what started off an organization

called the intercollegiate society with the the Communist party at the

time that you know disappeared but really just folded into the Democrats back in the

1920 1921.

Now I The intercollegiate society and I talked about this on a podcast a few months ago.

They by the time from 1905 1917 they got themselves on to dozens of campuses especially

big -time colleges because their goal was to get on a campus as a student student organizations and

get students Involved teaching Marxist ideals and so when those students now became the future

teachers, they would flip schools and flip education.

Yeah, man works brilliantly now, here's what I find fascinating and my wife who loves garage sailing.

That's an understatement.

For anybody who knows her a huge understatement.

I Often I often crack the joke that when I'm teaching on

creation and Noah's Ark and I talked about how Noah's Ark was was like the size of a football

field and they take another little over half a football field and length and Type with a width and three decks and

you know, there's plenty of room for the animals.

You don't need about 12 ,000 animals on board and and food and stuff I said there's even enough room for my wife's entire wardrobe.

Just people cracking up but Go back to the garage sales by the way, she does not mind when I

say that joke, so None of this garage sale of a retired teacher and

There's all these books on the National Educators Association the NEA.

And go and it's ties to the Department of Education.

I've been reading through these books.

They're fascinating and then scary because yeah.

Well, I thought that this but I didn't know of this arm of it all these books that I have are

written in the early 80s and They were warning people about the Marxism

within those organizations and That they said the roots they could find to go back to the

1940s.

Of of the Marxist teachings within the NEA I don't call the any at the time or not.

But but whatever the predecessor was to it and and that is really what is change education.

So what they did is they nationalized education where it used to be that you had education within communities.

The parents voted on curriculum the parents knew what the curriculum was the parents took their time

to To make sure they knew what the teachers were teaching.

They would knock out the teachers if teachers weren't teaching what they were called to be.

G Right that the parents in the communities controlled all of that stuff.

But as the NEA grew in power, especially with the money they were getting from the from Department of Education the government.

That they were able to start to nationalize some of these decisions Over time taking away

Literally all the power at the local level to where they're at today.

And so now you've got the NEA and they've been doing this for decades.

They're throwing big -time money that government gives them money and they take this money and give it back to Democrat

politicians to push more Marxist.

Type laws.

Well, we should point out that if you go to Antifa and I don't know if this is for Black Lives Matter As well, but if you go to in

Antifa's website And donate to them They send you right to the Biden campaign.

Now that wouldn't be considered illegal because they're not taking your money and then give campaign.

Clearly clearly they want you to know who they want you to vote for and who they're supporting and

in being that they're a terrorist organization, I Actually think that there's only one proper solution now

since the Democrats have now Made it clear that they're aligning themselves with a terrorist organization.

I think every Democrat must be forced to resign from office immediately.

The Democrat Party expand Disbanded because it's a terrorist organization and we should just end this

now.

Right before the auction would be great, but yeah.

Let me ask you guys a question.

Have you guys heard the Winston Churchill quote?

We got to deal with this.

No one's saying what Biden said.

Antifa is not an organization.

How you define an organization.

Biden said he's also worked in politics for 47 years.

I'd argue he didn't do anything 47.

Cities.

The smartest one in his class at a school.

He never went to but the.

The thing is, you know saying Antifa is not an organization.

It's like saying that DNC is not an organization.

It's just a political party.

Saying Antifa is an ideology.

Well, it is and it's an ideology that is with a company.

I mean there is a Website for them.

They are an organization that collects money for Joe Biden's real Joe Biden's election.

So we said I heard the AHA said the same thing.

Yeah, we had that they were right.

Yeah.

What I was gonna ask you is have you guys heard the Winston Churchill quote on the antifascist and fascist situation?

He actually said just the other day.

I'm just kidding.

It wasn't the other day.

He actually said.

And people have argued and tried to go back and forth and say that Churchill never made the quote.

Of course, it's obvious that the Those that are supportive the Democrats are supportive have

said it.

That he never said the quote but he actually did it's in history books have been rewritten quite a bit.

He actually said that the In the next war next coming wars the

fascist will call you The fascists they will they will say they are

antifascist and they will say that you are the fascist.

And that's what we were fighting in World War two you know, that's where the fight came from.

The problem happened is is when we had all these intellectuals in Government that decided

to to allow these these German basically, you know

Bad people to come over as scholars and whatnot and we put them in our schools.

We put them in our teaching facilities and everywhere else we could find to put a mitt put a mat.

Knowing that they would come in and they would have doctrine in our children.

So.

Yeah, yeah, it's a you know any system where you remove God, you know, and the government becomes hope.

First off I would call you a mindless buffoon for believing that because it doesn't take a long study of history

realize the government has never Ever been the hope of mankind.

It will never be the hope of mankind.

The reason why America has prospered as it has under the ideas of Christianity and.

You look at fascism and communism or yeah fascism communism to two same things really.

Different extremes of the party, you know, you got commies over here fascist over here

same ideas.

Different extremes and it's all garbage and nonsense.

You know what kills me is you look at communists who like want to pretend like they love minorities is like you have

Nothing, but oppression and you like those who you can subjugate and that'll bow down your little communist plantation.

They do like minorities.

They like minorities because they like having someone to

Oppress Those people to look.

And it's like, you know It really is an abusive abuse or abuser abusive relationship because

you have the you have the abuser grooming.

Training them to accept their their lot in life.

And what they're doing is there as they abuse as the Democrat Party and the Marxist abuse

The poor and the black and the the underprivileged and the oppressed as they abuse them.

In other words as they oppress them they expect those people to thank them and blame themselves and.

But I guess we've triggered it mr. John he's he's done typing his his questions in.

Come in directly.

Mr. Atomic apologetics himself.

John.

Welcome.

Hey, thanks.

Also mentioned he's also known as clock commander because there's usually a chicken somewhere in the room.

They're put away right now it's getting darker now, so.

Anyway, hey pastor can I really appreciate what you've been doing and talking about the things that better that are going

on.

I've been kind of interested in this whole topic about you know Critical race theory the black

lives matter movement here for I don't know for the past I don't know six months or so.

Just trying to get a lot of information from it and You

know, I was I asked a question earlier in the chat, but I don't know if they got posted or not, but.

So the black lives matters movement that there really are pushing the whole thing about the idea of reparations or

what they call Ados Ados, which is a American descendant of

slavery.

Is this a practical thing.

I mean coming from from a black man, you know like yourself.

Is this something that is.

Well, first of all, is it biblical which I don't think it is but and then secondly.

You know, is this something that is a possibility?

How I mean, how would you think this would work in our in our country.

Yeah, I Think the whole point of I reparations are one reparations never gonna happen.

All right, so let's just say that there I think the whole talk of reparations is to

Ensnare the politically ignorant, right?

I mean think about it.

I'm sorry.

I first voted in 2004 Bush versus Kerry, I think it was and they were talking about

reparations then and It's been the same every year back.

I can even tell you this speech that Al Sharpton now he's skinny because he got a stomach sir that Al Sharpton

gave on reparations and so They bring it up every presidential

election To ensnare the ignorant at the hope of getting something for free

Nested the Democratic Party's line.

You saw Kamala Harris say it if you vote for us We'll give you two free years of junior

college.

If you make less than 400 ,000 you get to go to University for free.

If you get this we're gonna reduce your student loan debt by this.

I mean, it's like we should call the party Oprah.

You get money and you get money and you get money.

That's all it is.

It's garbage I mean, I really don't take the reparations on very serious because I've heard it Every year now and if

you could follow back historically, it's something they've always thrown out.

Okay, so here's the here's some issues I have with the reparations one.

How are you going to define who was an ancestor of slaves?

So it's it's been so long the records aren't going to be there to show that.

You're then what do you do with the blacks that own slaves?

Mm -hmm.

And and the blacks that kidnap people and Sold them as now that those people come over here.

Do they pay the reparations too?

And then what do you do with the fact that all the whites that fought for freedom for the slaves?

Do they have to pay reparations because I think I think there's only one fair way to do reparations.

And I do support reparations.

I think we should do it fairly.

Those that party that supported it slavery that fought to keep it legal.

Literally fought to keep it legal to keep people enslaved.

The party of the Ku Klux Klan.

The party that was that was against the similarities.

And there's the party that wanted to keep them enslaved the Democrats.

I think every Democrat should pay reparations to every black American.

People in it that are the what do they call that the the giant one -eyed Cyclops of

Of the the Ku Klux Klan.

I've never heard that before until just the other day.

I mean, I didn't know that was a thing but if you if your party is that and and the person that

is supposed to be your your main spokesman is Is is running and he's been?

been praising this guy.

And and all those groups.

I'm Wrong, that's wrong on so many levels.

Yeah, what do you think about this?

Like I think how many blacks voted for Hillary Clinton who said that Margaret Sanger the Eugenics racist who

wanted to wipe out the black population is doing a great job to Planned Parenthood.

She said that was her hero.

You know what people's minds, you know, and this is going back to the gospel.

Because I preach on politics regularly from the pulpit not to preach on politics

as the Herodians did but.

Right, you know for instance.

Last week we did Luke or two weeks ago Luke 3 1 through 3 you see Luke go through all these

pains of laying out the Emperor to the governor to the Tetrarch's.

Then to the high priest and then John is talking to these people who are oppressed who are going through it.

But you know what John said is he says, you know what?

The problem is you're oppressed because you're a snake because you're a generation of vipers because you were at

odds with God.

Man is that I was you and you are being by the press by the government you have created.

I mean like whoa.

Go tell that to a Black Lives Matters rally who just think oh, let's put it.

Let's put in another crook in office and everything will be solved.

No problem is not the people we have in office.

The problem we have the problem is the people in the mirror.

People who need to be saved because you need to be born again because you are at odds with God you're working against his

Principles and unless you were generated by Spirit of God, you will die burn in hell and his life will not matter.

No, I hope you pick that one more thing up.

They said last week He was in Luke 3 because if you listen earlier, he said last year he started Luke 2 just for the

record.

Within a year.

He is rapidly going through the book Luke.

Is that you have blacks that will vote for Biden.

A man who said.

You know and just think about how derogatory this is to say if you don't vote for me, you're not black.

What did he say?

He basically said that the Black people are there to put food on the shelves for him.

You know, so this is what he thinks of these black and then they're gonna go vote for him.

He has he belittles blacks.

He thinks light and he's the one that was part of a white supremacist group for the record.

But they want to ask the question of Trump.

Trump has never praised white supremacy.

Biting me Anthony has done here.

He's he's.

I can I can sense.

I can I I think I.

You know, the Lord is to me.

Yeah, remember that book right there.

I think he's whispering in it.

Yeah, is that what he's doing?

Yeah, see God God doesn't.

Whisper.

By Jim Osman.

But he clearly just.

Yeah.

Yeah, it could be that I'm looking at your computer with the article that you pull.

Hold on I hear it.

Yep.

Yeah, what's it?

What's that Lord?

Anthony's gonna give me 50 bucks.

Okay.

Okay, so the sidebar sidebar.

I was with someone a Someone who was a Lutheran

pastor and She said that God she you got it.

Was telling her to be a pastor.

She was struggling with this for two years in prayer and So she now realizes

that women can't be pastors.

So the presents a problem, doesn't it?

And so I just asked her.

I said, um, so, you know, she's like, what is this?

You know what?

You know, like I was having struggle.

I didn't want to be a pastor.

I said, well, I can't tell you what it was, but I could tell you what it wasn't.

From an apologetic standpoint here is here is what I will do when somebody says that they that they heard from

God.

I'll say give me an objective.

And give me an objective test.

As to how you know, it wasn't Satan and not God.

How do you know how do you know it was God.

Because either way you have to go back to his words.

So, why does why does your?

Nudging feeling.

Voice of God count more than God's Word itself, right?

Yeah.

No, that's right, and they won't contradict for sure or maybe it's just their split personality speaking to him.

You know, I don't know but it is.

How do you actually do you have no objective?

You have no objective way other than to go to God's Word.

Yeah, okay.

So, you know, I this whole reparations they haven't done this in a while, but I decided to bring this up.

So you guys remember the name David Horowitz.

Finally I get the man.

I get the real chair David Horowitz he he back

in the election in 2000.

The reparations talk was around we were all a lot younger than we probably don't.

Remember this a whole lot.

I remember it very little actually.

But you remember this David Horowitz guy took out because I was in dental school at the time he took out

ads in in all the major newspapers a college newspapers across the country and printed

this article said David Horowitz is ten reasons why reparations for slavery is a bad idea

for blacks and Racist too.

So this has been an issue that's been around for a while.

And so anybody can go look this up and find this article from literally 20 years, you know.

Online but one thing it was fascinating to me as in this way.

I wanted to bring it back up again.

He goes through like the ten reasons and here's a couple of them all one.

There's no single group clearly responsible for the crime of slavery.

Too.

There's no one group the benefit exclusively from its fruits.

Three only a tiny minority of white Americans ever owned slaves and others gave their lives to free them, right?

350 ,000 Union soldiers that were white.

Died in order to give them freedom.

And the list goes on.

I mean people read it, you know, it's it's really good but you know when it comes to When

it comes to the first one, there's no single group clearly responsible for the crime of slavery.

Black Africans and Arabs were responsible for enslaving the ancestors of African Americans.

Is on one of the biggest proponents even today.

Even today right.

Just like you'd said earlier.

There were three thousand black slave owners in the antebellum United States our reparations to be

paid by their descendants, too.

You know, and so, you know I know Virgil Walker Daryl Harrison have done a lot of research on this stuff granted the stuffs out there

already anyway.

And they did a nice job putting it together in there in their podcast.

But um, this is this is nothing new.

I don't mean to simplify stuff.

But it's like I call it stupidity and nonsense for people who have never experienced a

crime.

To want payment from people who never committed the crime get out of here with that garbage.

I'm sorry I just I just think this is stupid.

I just I'm not trying to simplify it.

I mean for anybody who wants to go there.

I just think it's nonsense.

Doesn't the Bible even say and I know I know it does but I'm just Rhetorically then the Bible even say that

the the children shall not be punished or pay for the sins of the father.

I mean, you know, it's it's it's clear as a bell in Scripture that this is an unbiblical practice.

You know, it's it's not something that that the scripture anywhere at all condones.

Right, you know as a you know, and the only reason I say that and I know that some of these guys aren't Christians, but.

There are a lot of professing Christian pastors that are teaching this.

You know and and if they're teaching this, I mean look we've got people at SBC like crazy that are teaching

this.

That are that are just jumping jumping, you know their entire churches.

Into this to where they should be running out and you know, forget the gospel.

Let's go and do reparations and let's go atone because if we're gonna be really Christians one I

can't remember who it was.

But somebody just finished saying in one of his sermons that if you are truly born again.

Then you should listen to the oppression language of the black man.

You you can't be a born -again Christian if you're not listening to their their.

What kills me about that is, you know.

I don't mean to sound racist when I say this, but I sometimes wish that well -meaning.

But very ignorant white evangelicals would shut up.

And I mean Think about what has happened.

We decried George Floyd right.

Only to watch that 20 -minute video and then see well, you know what.

Maybe a restraint hold.

Well, it's a better option.

Just pain and then we went ahead and we got all upset about the guy that went to

stab the woman he raped and Got shot in the back because the cop fell a threat because

he wouldn't drop the knife.

Or we get all upset about Brianna Taylor.

Who now evidence has showed?

She was a key part of her ex -boyfriend's drug trade even to the

days before the shooting we have Phone recordings of her

talking about and text messages of talking about selling transporting drugs pictures of her

with the m16 now and All this other nonsense.

And what does the Bible tell us about this as believers?

You know, it's interesting Proverbs chapter 7 does not endorse murder.

The Proverbs chapter 7 says if you commit adultery and you get caught and her husband kills you you deserve it.

Think about that.

Right guys not saying it's right to murder.

He's not saying that guy should murder.

What are you saying?

You know what if it happens, what did you expect?

The transgressor is harm and when we seek blood and do the things that the Lord

hates Proverbs 6.

Lie feet that are swift to say to mischief a proud look a lying tongue hands that

shed innocent blood.

And why are we surprised when we end up on the bad end of a transaction?

You know what all every church in the war in America needs is more personal responsibility through the preaching of the law.

We need to stop pretending to tell people that they're bad because their environments bad.

No, they're bad because our hearts are rotten.

Jesus said we murder because it comes out of our heart.

We lie because it comes out of our heart.

We commit adultery because it comes out of a heart now because the way we were raised and I wish pastors Just get back to the gospel.

But I just wish they'd shut up because what they're doing is making more trouble for people like myself.

Who are preaching the Word of God and who are teaching what the right counsels of the Lord?

Yeah, and you know, one of the things is, you know the way they play it off.

It's like oh, but you know, Brianna Taylor.

She she wanted to be a nurse.

Michael Brown, he wanted to he was on his way to go to college and he was.

You know, I mean it's this is the whole thing that you end up seeing and I was

looking there.

We got to get a meme made and I think it was a John here that put put the quote, you know,

I'm now forgetting that the quote from that you had earlier about.

What was the quote John that that you had quoted with Pastor Ken earlier?

That he kept saying something.

Oh.

Somebody throw your brain away.

We got to get a meme John with Saying

It's no John wants us to play a 20 -second clip from Malcolm X.

Here we go.

Yeah.

It's Malcolm X explaining how to fix the world.

First the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table.

The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro and the so -called Negro has to feel

free to speak in the mind without hurting the feelings of the white man.

Then they can bring the issues that are under the Table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem.

That's the only way but they'll ever do it.

Amen, you know, it's so funny.

They got this picture that was made back in the 60s.

That was Yeah.

That guy Even though I know I don't agree with every single view of this guy.

But he was much more right on than he was with MLK, I mean this guy knew how to

Solve the problem between race between man between the black man in a white man.

This kid sounds what.

I think that that quote was spot -on.

You know what?

I always say is that you end up seeing that if you want to end racism, you have to end all Racism.

You will never end racism by reversing it and saying calling calling

something.

That's racist not racist because of a previous racism.

It's still right.

Redefining racism doesn't end racism.

It just changes it, but it's still race.

Yeah, what do you think about?

Biblical biblical philosophy toward ideology of the press right?

I'm gonna take you to Matthew chapter 5.

First off.

Let me just rant real quick and for Christians to say that Jesus reinvented the law and made us.

Like totally just let us off the hook.

You've never read Matthew 5 and please shut up.

I don't care how pretty it sounds you're ruining what it's saying.

So That being said let's give you the backdrop of Matthew 5.

Jesus is speaking to a crowd who is being crushed under the heel of the Romans.

For anything we think of police brutalities where the Romans were the Romans were worse.

They had no due process.

You didn't get a lawyer the governor had complete power and a Roman soldiers can do what they wanted to you when they

wanted to and Jesus is standing before this crowd and then all of a sudden.

Instead of like decrying the horrible Roman Monsters and telling everybody how he is a

Messiah was going to destroy the world system and overthrow them.

No, what does he do?

He looks at them and he says you have heard it said do not commit adultery.

But I say unto you if you look at a woman to commit adultery you have done it already in your

heart.

He goes further.

He says you very said do not commit murder, but I say unto you who has hated his brother he's murdered him in his heart and

he just starts nailing these people and Laying it into them in essence saying you know

what you've got a problem with the Romans, but the problem is you because you

Blaspheme God you live according to your traditions.

You are the one where that do not doesn't love your enemy that doesn't pray for those that persecute you.

You're the one who brings this upon you and it's like whoa.

What a counter cultural message that God took his law applied it to these people that were oppressed

and you know He told said you're the problem.

You're the problem.

You want to change the world change yourself.

You want to change the way things around you you need to be born again.

You know what?

The problem is the problem is not the fact that your hands do all this wickedness if the problem is that your hearts do this wickedness and your hands

follow in action and It's like when are people gonna preach the gospel and stop trying to pat people on the

behind and tell them how bad they've been Treated and the truth is no man you are falling away from God and we have a

personal responsibility to be reconciled to God through the through the Jesus Christ is only he.

And to get ourselves together in the eyes of God.

That's the only way to transform society at all.

And so when people start talking about how to stop racism.

It's like look you stop it with yourself.

By being the believer that God's called you to be if you're not a believer by repenting and being born again.

Obviously, we know the Holy Spirit does that but for Christian pastors to treat it any other way than to look at what the

gospel plainly says in a situation that it's Very close if not a

wonderful parallel for what we're facing right now because they had it worse.

People that want to tell me I would exist when Jesus existed, please.

You think you'd be better than Peter and Paul and the other 11?

Yeah, right I would.

I'm glad to live in a century.

I live in they had a rough compared to what I have.

So I just think it's nonsense.

Well, Pastor Ken we appreciate you coming on here.

It's good having your insight and.

You drop bombs.

I know over the place.

We didn't get any good stories that's that I know so.

Well folks with this I'm gonna Put pastor Ken in the back and we're gonna close out with

a little bit of a lengthy.

Well, we should let pastor can give some contact.

Okay, because you know if there's any.

Want him to come and do some?

Actually, there was a church there or someone wanted him not just to go to hit.

There's wherever was in North Carolina.

They wanted him to move there.

So, yeah can.

How can people get a hold of you?

Honestly easiest way is a Bethel www. Bethel

Baptist Wilson Nc .com our website drop a comment or my Facebook

page, which is linked to this.

You can just send me a message on Facebook.

No, that's the easiest.

Those are two ways.

I respond pretty quickly to both.

Well, thanks, thanks for coming on and.

What one do for you folks is As Anthony I gonna go off want to we're gonna bring in an interview I

had earlier today about a conference that you would want to attend.

So give a listen.

Okay, so I'm here today with a fella who is running the cruciform

conference.

They may not have heard about this.

Why haven't you you should have been paying attention.

But in case you didn't we're gonna talk about a conference that's put on by cruciform ministries.

Brandon how are you today?

I'm good.

I'm very good.

There are some people I don't know why they haven't heard of this conference.

I don't know why.

They got to start paying more attention, huh?

I agree because you got quite a lineup here of speakers and before we get to that let's talk first about

the conference its goals its mission and then get into this year's topic and some of the

Topics some of the speakers.

So why do you create this conference?

I created this conference namely to help Indianapolis, Indiana.

There's at the risk of offending a Ton of people I'll say it.

There's just not a lot of good Churches that preach a lot of solid doctrine here.

And so I thought to myself how can I get people at least somewhat excited about the

Bible our churches here love?

Programs events so on and it seemed wise to me to Start a conference in

order to get good doctrine into the city and so last year was our first year and I wound up just

asking some friends if they would come and Teach the Bible for a couple days.

It's turned into a yearly thing and I don't know how long it will last.

But it's it's been fun so far and friends have been gracious to help out and then new friends that I make

have been Eager to jump in and help as well.

That's the primary reason I started it.

So tell me about cruciform ministries, what is it that you guys do?

What is the goal of it.

Cruciform ministries exists to equip disciples of Jesus with the gospel of Jesus?

And primarily we do that through conferences right now and we have some online Conferences.

We've done one on abortion.

We've done one on how to read your Bible my friend Kofi, which is really cool.

He did like a little three -day seminar.

He will not be back this year, but he will be back next year.

He says so he's a good guy.

And then we have another one coming up in December which might be somewhat polarizing to people on post

-millennial ism.

So for or against.

It's gonna be pro Realism, but we also plan to and I've talked to some friends who