"Let's talk theology, BLM, and politics" with guest Pastor Ken Fontenot

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Can you show me because we're gonna use some hermeneutics Can you show me anywhere in the Old Testament where that word perpetual is not perpetual because again,

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I understand you're appealing again Sure Wait a minute,

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I thought I was gonna get to have a talk you asked a question. Hang on a second, sir Be quiet. Okay. Well, listen, there you go.

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I will mute you because it's not your show you asked a question I'm gonna give you the answer Genesis 6 for the word

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Olam is used referring to those who are of old Deuteronomy, I'll get just rattle off all the ones where it's used not referring to perpetual

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Genesis 6 for Deuteronomy 32 7 Joshua 24 to 1st

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Samuel 27 8 Job 22 15 Psalm 247 24 9 25 6 41 13 77 9 90 verse 2 103 verse 17 106 verse 48 119 52 1 feet of 43 3rd verse 3

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Proverbs 8 23 Proverbs 22 28 Proverbs 23 10 and Ecclesiastes 110 should

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I go on for more? blah blah blah blah blah To answer your questions your host from striving for eternity ministries

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And we are live apologetics live here and who's in the house

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We got a dr. Silvestro here All right, we are together. It's only because I got the lights on now that I got light in this room

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He wanted to come and see it. So So we're we are live together.

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Yeah get closer your mic down So tonight we're gonna have a little bit of a different show we're gonna talk politics

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Like we've never talked about that before but we're gonna have a very interesting guest and you know

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I don't know. Should we should we before we bring him in? Should we show what he his his dress code? Oh, yeah, you should show you should show um, you should show something from his dress.

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Yeah from his closet We should what we'll do a team one first Okay So for those who are watching here

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Here's our guest in he and his wife in a nice blue blazer. That doesn't that doesn't look too

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You know striking where it's no. No, that looks kind of team but I'm sure later on we're gonna have some more suits that he wears and preaches in that might be um,

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Flashy. Yeah. Yeah, I I can't pull off what he can pull off. I admit it but This is

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I we should actually introduce ourselves. I'm Andrew report. Dr. Anthony Silvestro striving for eternity

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This is a politics live. If you have any questions on what we talked about tonight or just anything

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I just I just saw I just saw a comment six feet y 'all We don't have quite yeah, we don't have coronavirus so it's okay.

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Oh, oh, you know what? I think I have a mask here somewhere. I could wear no

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Yeah, this is this is the mess mostly like okay. I'm wearing my mask I haven't worn a single mask

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Yeah, he's a rebel Yeah, John is saying that we're not wearing masks, how dare you

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John if I did have coronavirus, I would want to be right if I if I had to fight chickens all day

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I might wear a mask. Yeah. Yeah scares me more than coronavirus. So The the tonight show we're gonna talk politics

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But you can feel free to go to apologetics live comm and we'll look to answer any question that you have

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Because I don't know is a perfectly good answer so I can answer any question that you have but let's bring in We got two pastors here.

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First. We'll bring in the guest pastor Ken formal

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Fun well, no, he's got you gotta have the French accent. I think you know So pastor

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Ken, how are you? I am doing great Glad to be here with you guys always a good time

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No, it's been too long since we've seen you I think it would back in April's last time we were all together in person, right?

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Yeah Wow, it's been way too long.

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Yeah longer because this whole kovat thing is coronavirus brain. Yeah No Someone wants you to eat the microphone

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Anthony No notice I just want for the record

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Anthony still got a microphone that matches his shirt. All right, just for So he probably purposely wore black just for that all right, so maybe we want to talk politics and and lots of things lots of things we

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Will give people warning though. You do have just a couple of kids running around in your house. So your things

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They're energetic so So what for folks who you know introduce where you're from?

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The I keep looking this way because that's where the camera used to be. Now. I gotta look over here.

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So if you could introduce yourself for folks your church you pastor and you know, you're now you you used to be a had a different job as well as pastoring so you found if you want to mention that what you used to do and How you used to do that and some of your degree and things like that go forth cool

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Well, my name is a camp on though. I'm the pastor of Bethel Baptist Church in Wilson, North Carolina I became a born -again believer in August 18th, 2004

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Shortly thereafter. I felt God's leading me in the United States Marine Corps where is a really

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I gained a lot of the basic skills for leadership in life and In 2010

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I was called to the ministry in 2014 is when

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I took over and was ordained into the current ministry. I'm at been here about seven years so what started off as a small ministry, we still are and maybe 10 to 14 members now, we're like 40 ish and Was a bivocational ministry so up until July of this year.

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I worked as a sixth grade social studies teacher I've got bachelors of history bachelors in pastoral study masters and public administration masters in teaching and learning masters in counseling and doctoral studies in education

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So a little bit about myself married with three kids and some people are thanking you for your service here atomic pleasure

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Humble clay, so so it sounds like you have more initials after your name than letters in your actual name

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Yeah, I was a glutton for punishment for a long time, I'm finally no longer in college But that's fine because I'm becoming more productive

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With other things. So I think I'm good with the degrees for now. Yeah, absolutely

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Well, I mean you certainly have a lot of credentials. So Well, you know it takes a certain it does take a certain man

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Anthony to be able to preach at a pulpit Dressed like that. That's right Look at this folks

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Right yellow. So this is you know, it just almost looks like anything. I don't remember the century 21.

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Oh Yellow jacket that stood out but he's actually preaching at a pulpit with that suit on Why Master can forgot to say he has a master's in fashion design.

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Yes, so we're gonna Cuz he can pull it off today. I Pull that off.

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Yeah, it's great. So, you know, can I what I wanted to start off with? Thank you for coming on today

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I was I was so excited in reaching out to you to be able to get you on the show We should have had you on a lot sooner, honestly but I We met for any for Yeah, we've met in California at a at a

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Academy. Yeah. Yeah, so you were on my team and so, uh, you know in Andrew and I we both help lead teams

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And we combine our teams at our best Academy so people can see the best of both of us 90 % me 10 %

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Andrew and and the reason for that is because my 10 % equals his 90 % so That's that's keeping it equal that's common core math right there

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No, it all serious, you know, you know, we want people to be able to see both of our styles and and have

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Just get more experience that way and so, you know, can you were on my team? But of course you benefited from from everybody

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Potomac apologetics just what read that Love it for folks who are listening on the podcast

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You're gonna have to go to the YouTube channel for this one just to see the suits. But but yeah, that was a bright yellow suit

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Yeah But so so that's where we met and and I remember actually

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Talking to you by phone because we are we're supposed to I don't think everybody does this but I actually call every one of the

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Guys has been my team and talk to him. I talked about expectations all that kind of stuff and you just you floored me

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Stories You explained it more thoroughly while we were actually together in person one thing that really impressed me about you is is that you evangelize and Look when a pastor

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Okay, let me let me start here a church It a pastor's responsibility for his church is to disciple his church train his church up but the number one responsibility for that church when they walk out those doors is to go evangelize the world and there's a disconnect between Good preaching even in good churches, right good preaching

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Versus what is going on in terms of their members going out in the rest of the world and doing other evangelism and And I've often said the only way you get your church to actually on evangelize is when you have a pastor who's willing to go

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On to evangelism and not every night. It's not even once a week You know get out a few times a year and then talk about it from the pulpit

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So that you're setting the stage and you're setting the example for the rest of your congregation Well, you go far above and beyond What?

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Every pastor does and really with all the work that a pastor has to do It's amazing to me that you're able to get that much evangelism in so so, okay

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That's for the first story. You have got to share with Is is the one time you know what

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I'm talking about? That the ones that we're going through the the good person test on the street

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So so please share that story with the listeners. This is hilarious Okay, so I think it's actually got

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I know the guy's name and I ran into him again I'm not gonna drop his name right here, but I was out early.

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I don't know mid -morning ish and My philosophy was simple. Nobody was at the door.

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I'll leave a gospel track if I can't somebody outside. I'll start a conversation I mean, it's very easy, right?

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very black and white either someone will be available to talk or someone won't and most of the morning you catch at least one or Two to talk to you and a lot of times because you're there they will so one day

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I was talking to this guy You know, I always ask people my jump -off question. Do you believe in heaven? And then of course,

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I'm in a religious area So most people say yes, then I say well, you know, how do you get there and After they give you whatever answer they give, you know death

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Be a good person blah blah blah this baptism, whatever. I usually say well, are you familiar with the verse that it's appointed unto men once a die and after this a judgment and Almost 100 % of the time they're gonna say.

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Well, no, I'm not then I'll say well, you know Eternity is a long time

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Do you mind if I share with you how you will be judged wouldn't you want to know and of course? They're typically gonna say yeah sure go for it.

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And then I will just go from there into the same commandment So I'm going to this guy, you know, have you ever lied?

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Yes, I lied to you. What would I be a liar? So what are you gonna be in God's eyes?

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He's like well liar and then finally we get to that should not kill Usually I almost always get people and say no

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I've never killed anybody Then I explain how Jesus said hey man hatred is murder

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So yes, you have but in this day I said hey, have you ever killed anybody? He paused briefly said yeah

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I'm like, okay He's like, well, you know man, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do

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Okay I said so bro based on that for you when you die and God judges you according to his righteousness

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Are you gonna go to heaven or hell? And what's interesting is despite all this confesses.

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He's like well heaven I said whoa Oh How do you please give me that back?

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You just said you're a liar even blasphemer and you actually have killed somebody like you took their life Why are you going to have it?

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Do you please explain that and you know we get we hit right there that most common theological area that you know

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God is just going to forget my sins, you know where people forget the payment that Jesus made and that the only reason the only way to accept that payment of Christ that he made for us on our behalf is

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You know by faith and that is through Christ alone

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So it was a interesting conversation Well, you know,

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I think I told you this in California when we met was I had a similar thing though it was a little different I was evangelizing the mall and Stopped the guy asked, you know, do you consider yourself to be a good person?

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Are you good enough to go to heaven sound like that? And he said I'm an awesome person

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You know I'm going through Right, and I said have you ever murdered someone just like you waiting for the no so I could say well

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God's God's standards so high judges our heart. He says if we're even angry with someone he judges as murder the heart

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That's where I was planning to go. He says yes So now I'm thinking maybe he does he's confusing murder and killing

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And so I I turned to him and I said, you know Are you in law enforcement or military thinking, you know

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Maybe he did it in line of duty and and he turns to me and says they weren't legal killings Plural now granted part of me wanted to take a couple steps back

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But I don't know why I did but the Lord did I guess put it on my heart to turn to him and said

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Let we go back to that very first question And I said when I asked if you think you're good enough to go to heaven and he goes

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Yeah, I guess it's not sounding too good right now You know what though someone said they missed the picture of him in his yellow suit

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KT that's that's for you so you could see him preaching in his yellow suit I mean you and I think actually

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I were eyewitnesses to that suit in at the pulpit I think so You you've done you did two of them

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I think I think we saw we might have saw the yellow I know I did the red. Yeah, cuz I had the red and blue.

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Oh look red white blue day. Yeah Angie is saying that your sunshine so we had a question for you from from John atomic apologetics

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Does pastor Ken do precept? And you talk about pre and the words my famous doctor friend here preceptional presuppositional apologetics

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Actually, no Longer than the other one knew it. I'll let you figure out

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Never personally gotten into it. I'm not reading books on it. Honestly, I Simply when

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I talk to people start off with the law Here where I'm at You don't get ever into apologetics really because everybody believes in God they say

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Really what I discover is that content of the Bible is lacking like for instance of Ten Commandments one time

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I was out. I had a guy dealing drugs in front of my church, right? So I go to this guy the holy

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I'm complaining in my heart and God says well Why don't you go talk to him instead of sitting there running your mouth? So, okay,

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I walk out and I go talk to the guy kick up a conversation We talk start talking about spiritual things he's willing to talk to me.

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I was like, okay Are you going to have when you die? He says he was I go through the Ten Commandments again, and then he's he's convinced

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He's forgiven So then the Lord brought to me Matthew 7 21 through 23

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I said, can I ask you a question man? Cuz you just told me you're lying thieving blasphemy you're doing all this stuff.

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You should convince you're gonna go to heaven But I said, did you know? that Jesus said in Matthew 7

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There are gonna be people Who on judgment day will come to him. They will have cast out demons.

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They will have done Miracles, they will have worked in ministry all their life and he's gonna look at them and say depart from me.

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I Never knew you Then I said, how would that feel if he were talking to you?

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And as soon as I said that man that guy flushed white he turned pale his like whole countenance changed and he looked at me and he said

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Horrible, and he turned around walked away. I never saw him in front of my church again. Never saw him doing drugs again

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He literally disappeared don't know what happened to him But I just know that the Word of God did what you said he would do so I typically stick in Those verses where Jesus talks about that certainty of salvation

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The law leading to grace what is grace that basic thing?

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I never get any anywhere anywhere outside of that room Yeah, so One thing

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I found fascinating in in terms of your your story and your evangelism is is that For a while you were bifurcational as a pastor and you spent years doing teaching

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So tell us a little about your experience teaching is okay So so just for the listeners understand Wilson, North Carolina, this is

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Bible Belt, right? This is like like if you look at the belt, it's like the center of the Bible Belt So this is why it doesn't matter if you've you know

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Unfortunately kill some people that you still somehow think that you are Christian, you know as a result of your your upbringing

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Right. So how is it being in school as a as a teacher because you had some really unique ways in order to be able to share

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Christianity with with people Yeah So first and foremost, you know when

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I got my teaching job the Lord told me very plainly and clearly hey I brought you here and When you're done,

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I'll take you away so I never Took to me. I find a lot of Christians who are in education

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Live like their Christianity has to be separated from their job, which is absurd

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That's absolutely ridiculous If God gave you that job doesn't keep the job for you, right and your job as a

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Christian is to do excellent So first and foremost, I did my job excellently for those that doubt it 42 % of my kids passed their end -of -year test when

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I took the year I took over By the first time I had my first year 96 % passed, right?

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So first and foremost because I was good at my job. Nobody bothered me. Okay, I taught 6th grade world history and religions

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Which I'm supposed to teach Christianity along with Buddhism Hinduism Islam Mormonism, you name it.

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I had to teach it so Very simple philosophy we live in an all -christian area.

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I had some Hindus and a few Islamist Islamist What I would do is very simple every time

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I preach a world history Opposite of Christianity, I would compare it to Christianity and preach the gospel.

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I was like, okay, there are two religions folks There's a religion of works. These people say you've got to be a good person

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This is how you get there. You got your five pillars. You got the fourfold path, whatever And then there is the religion of grace.

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Let me tell you what the Bible says and then I just I let her rip in class This was amazing because I mean

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I kid you I don't see the Holy Spirit all on these kids They would start off up here and then as more of that priest, it was just like you could see

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It's sinking in like kind of like contemplation was happening Captive audience and was amazing is

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I would do question and answer time any questions about anything I said and Automatically every time

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I did that class would go over we would make it beyond the bell what people like Oh, I got a question about the

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Bible. What about this? What about that and these kids would just rip off all these questions about the Bible awesome questions

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And it was it was amazing. So honestly, I just taught what the Bible said That's it and walked the wisely did my job.

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Well, and God really blessed it I've seen a lot of kids converted that way a lot of kids who never been to church finally hearing what church is about and I had good relationships with all of them and Even it was an amazing time.

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Yeah, I was gonna say that it's almost like that was your church growth methodology because when we were done both time most of the

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Most of the students more most of the congregation were like your students Yeah, yeah we saw a lot of kids come to church through that and even to the day like when

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I go around Wilson because I was in For so long, I know so many people so if you were to look at my network through this town

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Man, I've got a pretty deep network. There's almost nowhere. I can't go and almost no one I don't know in some way shape or form

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Well, which allows me to make a big difference and do a lot of things here Maybe because you did something else that you're trying to do career wise

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Well, well before before we get to that though Important concept here.

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I want to make sure that that gets highlighted and I'm gonna share a quick story on my own In my own dental practice when we had still owned it.

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Wait, you're a dentist. Yeah. Yeah at one time Still am still am but so When we were on the practice, you know,

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Julie had after Julie and I got married She started the office working front desk and within a year or so She's like, you know,

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I want to start putting scripture up on the wall And I was I was a little more nervous about it right

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I'm like, how do we do this without offending, you know Again, this is completely wrong the way

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I was thinking at the time, right? But it's where I was at. So, you know you know, what are people gonna think and this and that and and She says, you know,

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I think about doing it this weekend putting just a couple things up and and I wasn't really too thrilled about it and and Finally okay, you know what you should do it the reality.

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She's probably gonna do it anyway But you know it was she put up scripture on the walls and Next thing we know first person that comes in Monday morning

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Notices the change and as he's walking in the back says I'm never coming back here again

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Mm -hmm 13 years ago now 12 13 years ago. Never come back here again.

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So first patient my worst fears come true, right? And other people noticed it throughout the morning.

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I had another patient first thing in the afternoon so the exact same thing never coming back here again, and We stuck the course we left left the things up and what was interesting is that God continued to actually bless our office after that Sending lots more patients over the years a lot of Christians but the thing that that we should always

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Make sure we understand really well is is what you said about doing your job. Well, right and so People will respect you when you are a respectful person when you do the right job and and Those are things that that help gain your and not to be pragmatic

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Right, but just just in the sense that you do it you walk the walk that you are talking.

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Yeah You know, the Bible is very clear, you know, whatever your hand finds to do do it with all your heart mind and soul

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I mean that means go above and beyond and that was my what I was known for I was the only teacher

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I did home visits. I tried to visit every kid in my class A lot of times I couldn't do it because I taught like a hundred kids, but man every one of those kids

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I was on their doorstep, you know, I would call kids I would call parents not just when the kids were good or when their kids were bad

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But when they were good and the parents are like shocked. Why are you calling me? My kid didn't do it They know he did a great job.

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I just wanted to let you know and That went so far. So when you distinguish yourself as a believer

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To be the light in the salt meaning that you shine you're bright and your salt you add something to the environment, right?

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You make it taste better It opens the door for the gospel through excellence

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How many people that were hostile to the gospel in our office kept coming back though because we gave great service as in dental office

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But you know how many times some of those people that were hostile or or at least not wanting to hear it

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Two years later three years later six months later when they had an issue in their lives Guess what? They're doing picking up the phone calling

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Julie my wife and to ask her questions about Janity It was actually honorable to watch that ministry over the years in our office

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So so yeah, it's it really really is cool So, you know, I I had remembered that about you and you're in your teaching and everything.

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So great stuff Okay, so let's let's start getting some more some meat type of stuff.

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I'm done. Hey Andrew wants what? I was just gonna say before we go to the next topic. I think we should put up another picture.

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Oh, yeah Let's let's save this one for last We should show his family so here's

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Family his wife is wearing a red dress which you know looks fine

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But check out the red suit and matching time Looks like he's got vendors.

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They're Great looking kids. It's good that they take after mom, but but check out

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There you go. He's even matching the almost matching the red door behind him Actually your kid your wife and kids are very sweet We've yeah the last time

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I was able to take my wife and son down and they just had a blast hanging out with your Wife and kids so, you know, we're looking forward to coming down again and visiting you guys.

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So yeah We're we're planning everything for what we've been talking about with a Institute take our guys their next level.

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We're working on it. Here's I actually have some more for you probably by tomorrow That's great. We'll talk by phone tomorrow then so cool

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So as Andrew, I think Andrew wanted to ask the next question about some other aspirations you had.

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So oh Oh those aspirations. Yeah, so so let's get it. So there's another way that you kind of got to know people in the community

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Because not only were you pastoring a church Not only were you teaching full -time and doing more than most teachers and doing home visits and things like that but You know, oh wait, look at what he's referring to the suit.

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That suit is red -hot Only all of that But you decided you were gonna try your hand in something else and for folks who are listening on the podcast

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You have a little bit of melanin in your skin And you were you were doing something that most

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Would think you wouldn't do especially with a certain party. What were you?

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What were you trying to do career -wise there? so 2018

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I ran my first time for public office. I ran Or the

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North Carolina State House of Representatives Which for here is an election every two years.

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I ran as an independent conservative with North Carolina Republican Party backing for here and it was a

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You know, honestly, it was a wonderful learning experience and it you know, it went really well. I ran against a nine -term incumbent extremely liberal

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Democrats who I almost beat Because I lost by 400 votes and this was 30 ,000 votes cast now

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This is where I say I did win Because one we weren't able to do an audit of the votes because there are a lot of dead people that voted and a lot

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Of people's votes were stolen. I saw this at the poll myself But whatever she had a budget of $100 ,000 given to her by ex -husband whose congressman

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GK Butterfield and He's the leader of the Congressional Black Caucus another liberal organization and I had a $20 ,000 budget so dollar -for -dollar

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We crushed her dollar -for -dollar. I shouldn't have come close But we absolutely positively nailed her.

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And so, you know what my political future looks like We'll see, you know, there's always something on the horizon

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It's every two years and really once you do the first time it's scaling up after that and deciding What do you really want to do in the long term?

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But it was a phenomenal experience Well, and I know Anthony's got some questions for you. But you know, the the reality is in our current political market people assume or think that If you are black

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You're by default Democrat Yeah, well the even have a guy running for president who says if you're black and you're not

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Not really black so yeah, well, you know, I'm not surprised that People think that because you know what?

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The one thing we learned from history is that people never learn from history and especially our current

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Democratic nominee Joe Biden I'm pretty sure he's pretty ignorant history because you know what people will say

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Oh the Democrats have given so much to the african -american community. Well, I would agree in this sense

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Yeah, you know the Democrats gave us the KKK the Democrats gave us Jim Crow laws

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The Democrats filibustered the first civil rights bill which came out in Dwight Eisenhower's administration

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It was a Democratic governor who stood at the University of Alabama said segregation now segregation forever

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It was a Democrat gave us a 1964 Great Society bill which destroyed the black family

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You know as Democrats they gave us Roe v. Wade and now Democrats gave us a new

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Militant wings of their party Antifa and Black Lives Matter wish to show you that if you do it disagree with them

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They're gonna try some way to kill you or burn down your neighborhood True I think

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I'm gonna cut that into a clip. Yeah promo is one of the greatest rants

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And we're seeing from different people online that they're they are very thankful for the for that because you know

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That's the thing and I dealt with that on my most recent rap report podcast where I asked the question

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Think of who is the first woman woman female justice and most people think it's

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Ruth Bader Ginsburg Right, but it isn't it's actually Santa De O 'Connor a

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Republican appointee and and and that's the whole thing. They end up Making a narrative as if like if you're black you you have to vote

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Democrat and yet the party That's actually supported the liberties for black people has been the

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Republicans In fact, that's the very the very reason that the Republican Party started Was over the issue of slavery and frames that way this party was created for so it's so interesting that The blacks would support the people

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Bless you, and I think he's keeping them enslaved in a different way. They're enslaved thing on welfare

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They're enslaved by keeping them uneducated to keeping them in broken families all for their vote

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Yes, exactly. And that's 100 % you follow the scheme, you know I think what the Democrats have done well is what they always do well, and that's be kleptocrats.

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They still extremely well I think Democrats have infiltrated a public school system and Democrats have definitely infiltrated college

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I mean everybody knows you go to university for the most part. It's gonna be a liberal wing of Ideology and what they've done is lie to people that the

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Democrats have somehow helped African Americans Well, you know if what they have done is helped me then, you know,

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I don't want their help anymore You look at 1964 after Lyndon Johnson passed a

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Great Society Act. What happened? Well black families suddenly instead of having out of wed births out of wedlock births 20 % of time

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It became 80 % of time African -american incarceration went up 300 % and look at our current

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Democratic now Pass a three strikes law which increased black incarceration by like 100 % or more

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So yeah, this is nonsense. I mean the only way you become a Democrat as black is Ignorance or you know intellectual pride because you don't want to admit that what you're doing is wrong has never really benefited you and that It is wrong

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So Atomic apologetics says this the biggest threat for the

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Democrat Party is the male black vote message of changing thoughts on that pastor,

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I think the male black vote is Swinging more conservative for instance that crazy chick

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Stacey Abrams who ran for governor of Georgia People didn't put put it out there, but she lost because the male black voters went for camp

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That's why she lost when you look at it It was a long party lines as they expected But there was someone they swung and he swung successfully male black votes in Georgia And now you look at more male black conservatives

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CJ Pearson Kingface the rapper from New York. You look at Patrick Hampton. You look at the

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Hodge twins. You look at myself the the male black Conservatives is rising because it doesn't take

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To have you to have a PhD in Political science to notice that there's a different narrative on TV then it's going on a social media where you can't control it necessarily and Definitely a different narrative what you hear in people's homes

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We're not idiots and when the media continually spins a story

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I think it has the opposite effect than they attend they intended to try to oust

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Trump I think they only entrenched in my opinion. They are gonna get killed or lose in a landslide this coming

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November Because people aren't stupid get out of here. I mean Summoner logic is ridiculous.

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And so yeah, I think the male black vote is gonna destroy the Democratic Party. I think I think the only thing

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I'll keep them from having a landslide is all the eating that they'll do. Yeah built -in

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Right, well, that's why I think that why they want mail -in ballots, but you know Every time they try to do the mail -in ballot scam, they somehow don't get them signed properly

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Notarized I think a lot of them are gonna be thrown out. So we'll see how that goes Wow, so What do you think it's gonna take within within the african -american community to be able to continue to educate?

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voters going forward Because that seems to be the issue right it is is What they're singing and we're all seeing on TV.

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I'm watching that vice presidential debate Well, I think so too but she lied the entire time yeah

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And and and the thing I found interesting with that debate was the fact and you and I talked about this Earlier tonight was the fact that the the every time

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Pence was gonna say like a zinger She's like time time time time time time time time

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And when Harris is over time she's like time and Harrison, right? I I mean Oh, you need 45 seconds to respond to a one -minute thing, okay,

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I'll give you a double the time Yeah, and then then when he makes it she's like well, you know,

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I should get equal time Okay, we'll give you equal time. Like hello. Are you keeping track of the time? That is your job?

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You know Clinton you know, my parents did not vote

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Bush They didn't vote Reagan. They voted Democrat because that's what they all came from based on his ignorance when

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I became a believer. I God is the

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Lord of all my life. I don't need to leave God outside the polling booth because my family lineage Sorry doesn't work that way and then when you look at it from there the

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Bible talks ad nauseum about politics For anybody it just wants to sit there and take this political

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Or take this convenient bow out of this the contention, but oh the Bible's all political get out of here

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No, it's not. I mean the Bible has politics running or all through it I'm in preaching expository through the book of Luke been there for a year in Luke chapter 3

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What happens at the end of the book John the Baptist is thrown in jail by a politician Oh surprise surprise, right and Jesus didn't exactly have kind things to say about him.

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He called him a fox We don't think that's very serious, but that was a pretty strong blow from the

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Son of God John the Baptist almost Generation of vipers. So for you to people tell me

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I don't belong politics at the pastor. Well They got to gather with that that's just false So what we need in the black community where I see the deception at large and in the

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American community where unfortunate Boats Evangelicals who are on the fence about certain things is like look

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What how do you believe the gospel informs your life? You know when you look at it the

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Bible is clear we should Philosophically and always have an advantage over everybody around us because the

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Bible we the unbeliever sees this world for what it is They see nothing beyond that and they cannot the

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God of this world has blinded their eyes The believer though should be able to see the scene what's going on?

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And then the unseen the spiritual warfare that happens behind the scenes, right? We wrestle not against flesh and blood principalities power spiritual weakness and high places.

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We should be able to correlate Jeremiah where God was so upset that he says, you know what?

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I'm so sick of these people and their abominations that they burn children in fire that I'm gonna take their valley where they do it

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I'm gonna fill it with their dead bodies and not only that I'm gonna leave them there Uncovered so that birds of the air can pluck their eyes out of their dead skulls and that dogs will eat their guts

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That's how strongly God felt about killing the unborn I Don't know how we don't catch this correlation except biblical ignorance.

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Could you try to be a little more graphic? That's the second clip. I've got a 34 42, okay

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Yeah, so so I mean it's I think for some refreshing to hear you

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Speak as I'm reading the comments But I mean, this is the thing that people don't expect to hear and Especially coming from someone who's who's black

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This is the this is the thing. I've been noticing is more and more black conservatives are starting to rise

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When you speak like this How do other blacks respond to it do you do you find people are

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Typically more likely to listen to you get explained conservative values or do they not like that very much

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You know what? I Was blessed to actually have a following so when

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I ran for office and then explained this from a biblical and conservative perspective because I never cut the two out

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I Like really like how Pence did that last night. He said look I am this the end So when

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I would do that what you'll find when you run our polling record is okay in the county where I ran there are 8 ,000 independents 8 ,000

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Republicans 15 ,000 Democrats and so technically speaking

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I should have lost by 8 ,000 votes right because it's 8 ,000 independents if you just go down party lines and 16 ,000

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Democrats. Well, what you discover is I snatched several thousand

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Democrats from her side to my side Voting with a conservative independent aligned with the

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Republican Party. Why because they were hearing truth That's why you know ignorance you would think in the information age people would be so unknowledgeable

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But they are and I've discovered you cannot assume what people should know

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We need to ask them questions a lot of times. I just say that I did a video once I said What party gave us

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Jim Crow laws what party gave us this that and the other and then when I said Democrat I mean man that video went viral

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Because people didn't say it wasn't true. They were just blown away by what? You do the research and it speaks for itself.

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So I get typically good reception a lot of times But why is everybody in the community and everybody?

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Why have so many people in the african -american community bought into it then why they? Yeah I would say they bought in one

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Okay, so let me explain the what I the way I think Bible teaches How to develop a culture, right?

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So if you look at the biblical blueprint for a culture you have a family and the family is responsible for the education of that generation

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First and foremost the education of who Joe Jehovah is and what he's done psalm 78. Okay Then you also from that education have the basics right reading writing and reference it

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We as the Puritans would say you teach all these things for the glory of God and in teaching those things for the glory of God you cannot study the

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Word of God if you cannot read it, right and your mind needs to be sharp You cannot discern if you can't do these other things that go along with it well

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What you discover is the Democrats have destroyed both of those pillars in the black community first They destroyed the black family with 1964

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Great Society Act where they incentivize welfare through Incentivize or they gave welfare through incentivizing single -parent homes in essence they said we will gladly give you food stamps and a place to live and Allow you to live that way for years if in depth or even indefinitely, but you can't get married well now what you're saying is that you know what you can have government benefits, but you cannot have a husband and most of them follow that which is

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Or In this category with fatherlessness. So what's the result happening there?

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We'll see you've destroyed the family So can education really take place? No, what you'll discover is that after the

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Great Society Act not only was a black family destroyed but also the education of African Americans fell you look at post -civil -war education

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African Americans were brilliant in their field George Washington Carver Booker T Washington you look at him.

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I mean, yeah the Tuskegee Airmen. I mean man black education was amazing despite the disparaging differences in financial situations

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Why because you were taught with the basic discipline of a father and a mother in a household you take away the father though What happens that basic discipline disappears?

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So then when you start destroying the education system, can you really pass on religious values?

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Can you really pass on the gospel? I would argue you cannot of course you can get saved being illiterate

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Yes, you can but as Paul says in Romans 2 it's every advantage to have the oracle to God But in order to reap that advantage, guess what?

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We've got to be literate and because we're lacking basic literacy in the black community They are like sheep gone astray being destroyed in a state in the pasture of Satan with no one to lead them it is impossible or Nearly impossible.

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I would say to really work with people whose educational attainment has been in the dumps through public schools

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Which is why the Democratic Party doesn't want school choice has nothing to do with Equality it wants to be what has to do with keeping a whole swath of the population ignorant.

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I'm just kind of speechless I just want to say I kind of like it when you get him speechless.

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I Facebook that people will not want to miss this show You did not want to miss this show

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I Just gotta ask this question because you've used both terms now Ken hand does this really well he goes

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I'm not white, right? Black Yeah, obviously we have just different amounts of melanin in our skin and in different different layers within the skin

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But but I am tan You know, obviously the

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Bible teaches one blood one race yeah, and you know one of the things that gets me just It gets my blood boiling with all this

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Black Lives Matter stuff. Is that when Christians are using the terminology of the secularists?

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Doing there is not multiple races. There is one blood one race and stop kowtowing to what the secularists keep saying their narrative

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Yeah, so I don't know if you can speak to that at all in terms of What you see within like I are we making headway cuz okay

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I'm a Genesis guy right and you know, we've taught really church in it, right? I didn't know you know of any other

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Bibles, you know, there's 60 other books of the Bible They say that okay. I Give Anthony a job.

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Can you please preach it? No Colossians 1, you know where he ends up? Yeah You preach the

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Romans Genesis We're doing a conference on family he ends up in Genesis I mean

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God established marriage and having kids in Genesis It's hard to miss that one. It's kind of right in your face, right?

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Like, you know part of the Dominion Mandate go out multiply subdue the earth He's a theonomist, yeah,

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I Think unfortunately for Christians is this, you know when

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I first became a believer There was this whole issue with evolution and I really do think people like Ken Hovind Ken Ham Ray comfort really

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Brought around a lot of doubt to the evolutionary theory now First off as a believer should be no doubt as to the origin of man.

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Look it says six days man Okay, it's a literal creation Jesus referred to it as such the

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New Testament refers to as a such it's just over and over it's there, right? It's there you look at the genealogy of Jesus, right?

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It goes to Adam Prior to the problem of why so many Christians are so off in how they

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Engage culture is they're unsure of their own culture, which is why they don't believe all nations are of one blood

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You know and what I find Disappointing it's like man the material against evolution has never been better now

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I will not say the church has encouraged me in this regard I will say secularists have I'm meeting more and more secularists who just admitted to me up front

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I don't believe in evolution. It just doesn't work. You know when I look at it I was like, wow, yeah, no doubt which you could tell that to my church ridiculous so I would say the biggest

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Secularist or Christians not engaging culture appropriately. It's like they have no grasp of the Bible, you know

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It's one thing to have a sword the Word of God it's another thing to use it appropriately, right?

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Biggest example is anybody remembers the movie the ghost in the darkness Val Kilmer fighting off these two crazy female

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Lions that are absolutely nuts You know, you'll recall the part where like he has to take a shot at this line

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It's charging him right and he misses because like that lion Was moving pretty quickly

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Hey, right and the correlation for the Christian is like look you're not going to take on Satan or his adversaries

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If you can't use a sword of the Word of God, it's the problem Not the Word of God is he's lazy servants who have in their hand who cannot wield it appropriately and just lay it out there

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And leave it there because it does what it says it will do and it always Accomplish this purpose.

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So the biggest problem is Christians in the Word of God. I think I was sound clip number three Taking now

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So a time We shouldn't get into that yet. Okay, that's gonna be our next topic. So let's hold off.

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Let's hold off on that one Well, no, I gotta find that question in there Okay, but but you know that that gets me going to though because how do we answer as Christians?

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How do we answer homosexuality? What does the Bible say about it

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How do we answer homosexual marriage? Well, what does the Bible say about marriage one man one woman?

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How do we answer this these issues of transgenderism gender fluidity and all this other nonsense

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Bible says God created the male and female period like we can go back to these things and in this issue of race is

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Is unbelievable because clearly it's one blood one race. We are all from Adam and Eve He was named

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Eve because she's the mother of a live all the living right? Everybody came from Eve and And the reality is that it's only in secular evolution

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That we get racism when you have the different monkeys Deep species protos, whatever you whatever the scientists want to call them nowadays that somehow develop different characteristics some of all better than others and of course all the books say that the the caucasoid, you know, better than these

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Mongoloid the Negro, so that's the thing that always told me when I hear people that are black arguing for evolution.

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I Asked them like do you not understand that what they're teaching is that you are less evolved and more like an ape than me

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Yes, it's absurd. I mean it absolutely kills me I think the biggest irony of one guy that recently is filming for a loop man is

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Seeking Steven Spielberg. I mean, this is a guy who did Schindler's List because he's

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Jewish. He adopted a black kid. He did Lincoln, right? And it's like what you

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Back Nancy Pelosi and Planned Parenthood, which only is able to kill these infants, which most of them are in black neighborhoods

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Because you dehumanize them through evolution Same argument different day and it's like how do you miss that correlation?

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So yeah, when african -americans get on this garbage of evolution, it's like man. Did you even read the book? Did you go back to Darwin's book and actually even know what he's saying?

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Because if you did you wouldn't be espousing this garbage Preparation of favored races

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Right in the title of his book Incredible. Okay. So here's a here's an awful lot question

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Wait, this is gonna be off the wall. I know I know Many his stories that I mean folks you don't understand you and you know, and by the way pastor there there is

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Someone if I could find out where it was again. Someone wants you to come to Gaston County Cal North Carolina there.

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So it sounds like you might get a speaking invite maybe at a church there Folks you definitely want to reach out to a pastor

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Ken here. This guy's got stories and I Can't wait to get that North Carolina So, okay, so here's a question a little off the wall, but it but it's serious too because Okay, so in my in my lifetime 43 years old

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I remember growing up and in the term black and I again I hate these terms.

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I Terms I'm just I'm trying to make sense of what's going on The term black was used for years, right and then it became politically wrong.

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So then became African -american Well, and now before that it was colored there was colored in there before that's right.

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He's colored black Like what's the deal

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I don't I just I don't understand this I couldn't tell you man, you know, my biggest issue with black lives matter

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Look at this if you were to compare interracial violence

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White against black black against Hispanic Asian I don't know that you see that very often because most

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Asians don't intermix Versus intra racial violence. It is black on black.

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It is Disproportionate and you ask yourself. What's the agenda?

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You know, for instance, let's say just defund the police Well, you know look at where what has happened where look where that took place,

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New York defunded a place and murders up 176 % in black neighborhoods

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So, you know for the secularists well What's happening is they're being deceived.

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They think they're helping African Americans and they're hurting them Yeah, go figure somebody from the government shows up and says

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I want to help you better run the weather way But for the Christian African American That says oh, let's defund the police.

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What has happened is we're falling right in the trap of Satan Right, because what's happening is you look at his work in 1960s took prayer out of school

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He destroyed the black family and then what happens after that we destroy black education What happens after that we go ahead politicize the black make them slaves on a

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Democratic plantation and then what happens to that now let's get rid of police out of black neighborhoods and We continue to destroy

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African Americans as a whole And so what happens we're getting hoodwinked Satan is doing what he's always done and people are being fooled into backing agendas that are ultimately destructive to African Americans and It's a downright sham and most people don't see it

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I am encouraged in times like when people like Shaquille O 'Neal and Charles Barkley see it how that happens

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I mean, that's I don't know but I think it's interesting that they would call light to this which tells me like, okay

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People aren't Ignorant. This is somebody's got to see the logic of our fallacies and it's easy

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Yeah, but then on the other side of you got LeBron James who is probably a billionaire now, right and he's like black lives matter

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I've been oppressed all my life. I'm like You know what? I'm gonna say

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I wish he shut up and play basketball because he's not informed He backs China which has concentration camps on the new year

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Muslims. Okay, I'm not Islamic I don't believe in Islam but I do not believe you should oppress them and I do not believe that they should be

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Treated the way China is treating them and not to mention China's Violations of religious liberty and personal liberty get out of here man

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LeBron James is getting paid off the back of other people and not to mention all the sweatshops where they make his shoes for five

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To ten dollars and then send it here and sell it here for two to three hundred dollars. Yeah, right. No moral hero I don't hear about it.

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No offense. Sorry Amen clip number five We got some clips that we're gonna

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Know I just want it. I want everyone to know we've gone an hour in this show Pastor Ken has lit it up for an hour.

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Yeah Yes, yes trouncing all this junk out there. I mean

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Yeah, and but I have to point something out he didn't have to curse This is true, right?

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I mean he was able to To really hard on things really make his points

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Well, but but didn't have to curse in doing so. What are you trying to say?

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I'm just I'm just saying I mean, I know there's this guy out there recently who you know you know, it's skinny jeans and tatted up and you know, all that kind of stuff and Feels like you know, he's not like a ninja turtle.

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Is he might be yeah No, you know, there's a pretty well within reformed circles, he's well -known when you get out of reformed circles, just really tiny

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Christianity nobody knows who he is. I mean I this is what cracks me up is you know when

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I speak with Andrew I Get into really good churches, right and we get into really good churches and we speak and so everybody knows the big names and reformed circles

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Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's I speak with my griddle and other people like that which is the most of christianity right outside of reforms reform circles you go to these circles like Who's white?

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john macarthur Who's the list goes on nobody knows who these people are we all look at them as different celebrities and I don't

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Have some people look at them as different celebrities. Nobody knows who they are. I think it's incredible And yeah, please send me that guy whoever he is that i'd be interested it's like man sometimes

01:00:06

I don't know who people are but I try to be Yeah Acquainted with people, you know, I thought we went through this with triple

01:00:12

I mean didn't we already go through this where it was the in thing to do to use foul language but I guess the problem

01:00:18

I have with this this Conference speaker because that's what it was.

01:00:24

Was that a conference? Was he spent like three minutes saying how he doesn't allow foul language in his house

01:00:30

His kids are not allowed to use foul language And then he goes right into rattling off foul language

01:00:36

He said if anyone wants to hear me use foul language, it would you know, they would know that's not me and then goes and does it like wait

01:00:43

You know what? You were just about to say so it says it was on purpose You know, I I I get really irked with pastors

01:00:52

Who mm leaders who can't lead You know, I mean I was the united states marine corps.

01:00:59

Okay And like were there officers that curse? Yes, but on the most part when you spoke in front of people

01:01:07

You didn't do that and it's not acceptable even at large corporations So why would it be acceptable in the house of god?

01:01:14

And why are we going into trash cans to and dumpsters to bring this garbage ideology into the house of god as if The english language is not expansive enough to allow us to properly speak with power to certain issues

01:01:28

It's just it's just nonsense. You know, I really like martin lloyd jones who I think uh, you know shows us man

01:01:35

You don't need to be hip to be relevant or powerful You know, you need the spirit of god. You need the word of god.

01:01:41

It does what it's supposed to do You don't have to be reaching people like that. I think are lacking in what the bible calls biblical leadership

01:01:49

Well, and and as uh, brian says he's saying that that jeff durbin was saying that jesus used foul language

01:01:57

Oh, okay. Yeah Examples of jesus using strong language, but you know what?

01:02:03

He didn't make the case very well because he was he was using terminology that When it is translated into the way that people try to use it today

01:02:15

They try to make it sound like foul language But he didn't make the case that it was actually foul language in that day.

01:02:21

In other words, you know, there are certain terms That are not foul language

01:02:27

It's right So, you know, what what's a faggot? Well, it depends what you ask at one point in time.

01:02:33

There's a bunch of sticks Yes, another derogatory term for someone that practiced homosexuality right two very different meanings

01:02:42

Because the culture changed the terminology so you can have something

01:02:48

That was not considered foul language, but descriptive and then later is used for foul language

01:02:53

And that was one of the words that he ended up using fits into that category one wasn't foul language at all

01:02:59

So, you know, but but you know, it's like to justify His use of foul language

01:03:08

Let me twist the scripture to justify the sinful behavior

01:03:13

I want to do Don't need for you know, I I will say this. I I agree with john macarthur. He said

01:03:19

If he's the last preacher alive to not use foul language He still won't

01:03:26

You know And and that was went back when driscoll was doing it. But I mean we already knew this face.

01:03:31

Why did you bring this up? Anyway? It was on my mind, okay, well, you know, I mean I just It's a relevant topic.

01:03:38

I mean the biggest What really killed me about american christianity and I say american because all these issues you're talking about homosexuality this this actuality this that and the other

01:03:48

These are american issues because when you have a gun to your face You're not going to be thinking about how you can please people to by cursing

01:03:56

When you have someone who really might want to chop your head off, you're not going to be thinking about these things You know, it's it's it's an american issue when you get down to it

01:04:04

One of the things that we absolutely ignore biblically that jesus said He says, you know what?

01:04:10

The kingdom of heaven is like three loaves where a woman hid three leavens right and it grows and then after that He doesn't finish the parable

01:04:19

And the only really way to kind of track down what he was saying is to start looking at every time he said beware of the leaven up And he's pharisees.

01:04:26

I just see serotians And what's the moral of that story, you know just because something is popular or someone is popular doesn't mean they're popular with god first and foremost and it's easy to become popular by taking

01:04:39

Some aspects of bible and accentuating them to the point where you've just created

01:04:45

Division as well as a bunch of heresy And unfortunately, we look at people like oh he's got

01:04:51

The metro center. Oh, he's got the compact center. He's got this center. He's the best -selling author and Are you telling me that is?

01:05:00

Approves him in god's eyes. It doesn't and I think we we suddenly Don't realize that Yeah, no, that's right.

01:05:08

So sorry to get us, uh, that's all You know what because because one of the biggest

01:05:14

In turn they try to justify biblically The cursing but they also said well he was just being powerful in his preaching and powerful and the point he's making i'm like You know what?

01:05:23

We just had pastor cannon for an entire hour making even more powerful points than what he was making at his conference

01:05:28

And we didn't hear some recursive, you know, here's the thing and I know I know you obviously you you spun up the other pastor

01:05:35

It's been in the background the whole time Because he wants to But you know before you get to pastor.

01:05:42

Justin, here's here's the thing anthony is What what is mind -boggling to me with with this case with jeff durbin is the fact of the people who and there's several people who

01:05:55

You know would be against foul language a guy like You know james white who actually

01:06:02

You know was at a conference many years before and someone used foul language and he called him out publicly from what

01:06:08

I understand But he was very much against it Is now in this church and what's he doing?

01:06:13

He's justifying it Oh what he's doing is not bad Okay, pastor.

01:06:19

Justin. I guess you're gonna he's gonna rant. You just had to spin him up. That's what you did That's why

01:06:25

I just want to say that the reason that somebody does this is to to elevate their position to give it weight from uh misapplying scripture, uh

01:06:37

Pastor kent said that just a minute ago You're misapplying scripture so that you can give what you're trying to say

01:06:43

Your argument you're trying to give it weight and the problem with that is is It is such a bad argument.

01:06:50

It is absolutely an un An uncouth and a bad argument to try to take even the word scooby -lon

01:06:58

Out of context like that to take it to mean that it is a a filthy vile word

01:07:05

Like somebody would say, you know something, you know, very bad like he tried to try to use it to justify his language

01:07:12

And the problem is here's the biggest problem As a pastor you are called to be above Not better than but but above You're called to be the example

01:07:24

You set the example in everything you do your character your conduct your con your conduct everything you do

01:07:30

And so when you stand in a pulpit and you justify When you justify that type of sin the problem comes that You what you do is is you end up opening the door up for other people

01:07:45

To then piggyback on that and justify their sin as well. They say well.

01:07:50

Hey, uh, jeff durbin did it Hey mark driscoll did it now if you notice mark driscoll did it and he ended up destroying thousands of people over it and when you when you justify that your sin

01:08:02

And you make way for it other people are going to piggyback on it and say hey I can

01:08:07

I can do one better Watch me. He said this I can say this so that that's that's why

01:08:14

I see it as as such a A terrible use of the pulpit and your your ministry and such a bad, uh example there

01:08:24

Yeah, that's right So, uh Let's transition now.

01:08:30

I guess how are you going to transition from that to the other topic? easy Wait, here's my transition

01:08:39

Oh, yeah, we should we if we're going to transition to this topic, let's put this here's the last picture we have of and we we save the best for last because Only certain men can pull this off Only a real man can pull this off.

01:08:53

But here you go No less

01:09:01

Someone asked me about that one. Is that a big like Big big like lipstick with a monkey on the on the top or something behind you.

01:09:09

What is with that thing? But yeah, what is that? Oh, okay. So that is

01:09:15

A teddy bear my wife gave me but it's in A win chun dummy in the top of it.

01:09:21

That's what that is. Yeah. Yeah Look at him pointing and all that that that that's that's the the power move right there.

01:09:30

Look at that. Yeah All right, man Someone asked me do I feel manly on that? I said well, you know considering that I know how to shoot machine guns sniper rifles use knives sticks

01:09:40

I have a couple black belts and i've seen combat. I said, yeah, I feel pretty manly. Yeah You know one thing i'll say on that is though is it takes a serious man

01:09:50

You have to be very comfortable in your manhood to wear pink And and the brighter and the more hot the pink is the more manly you really are

01:09:58

And i'm gonna tell you something if you put that that picture up there you notice that the two men in that picture are seriously manly

01:10:08

Seriously manly so let's From uh atomic apologetics and a question he asked earlier to pastor ken

01:10:15

What are your thoughts on and I don't know who this is, but jim jamar Tisby and others like him who twist the gospel to apply critical race theory

01:10:27

Well, I don't know who jamar tisby is personally. I don't care When I see the word critical

01:10:32

I already know it's communist right critical theory I studied it with my doctorate degree, you know, and the problem with critical theory is that one

01:10:43

Typically the only way you ever believe it is brushing flushing the brain down the toilet but For those that want to look at it seriously, okay

01:10:51

What is critical theory it takes the truth that we do see that you know what yes human beings do get over on other human beings

01:10:59

But it totally destroys the resolution They then hold that the way

01:11:04

We take Corrupt twisted human beings who are subjugating each other to all this garbage is through the government

01:11:13

And that will solve the problem is where I say they flush their brain down the toilet If you take politically corrupt people

01:11:20

Or you take corrupt human beings and you put them in position of power They do what they've always done and that is subjugate and destroy other people

01:11:30

Our founding fathers had it right when they understood that you know what? People are corrupt. We do need the savior and the only way to maintain liberty is checks and balances

01:11:41

Checks and balances is across both aisles checks and balances between the judiciary the executive and the legislative

01:11:48

And not only that people forget the fourth checks and balance which I think liberals have thrown their brains on a train on this one

01:11:54

It's the military because military officers and Non -commissioned officers take a commission and that is to stand against all enemies foreign and domestic and they have a charge

01:12:04

That if they ever feel the constitution is being threatened they can Legally take over the government

01:12:11

And it's funny because I think liberals are talking about this hostile takeover and they don't think military will jump but when you look historically at When people are overthrown it has been the military that's also brought things back into balance

01:12:25

So critical race theory is flat out garbage. It makes government the savior instead of god and no government has not ever saved anybody

01:12:32

It will never save anybody Communism didn't work in russia communism doesn't work in china, and it certainly is not working over here

01:12:40

Economically china is doing well because they operate by capitalistic principle But socially and spiritually religiously china's in a dumps

01:12:49

And there's a lot of unrest Um, so critical race theory is flat out nonsense for anybody who wants to run with that Well, you know feel free to throw your brain away

01:12:58

Amen You know, I really wish you'd make your points known and stop beating around the bush could you could you possibly be clear in I mean

01:13:10

You know, you're almost sounding like, you know harris in the debate, you know, just not saying your points really You know one thing that you gotta think about on tisby is uh, the reason he's getting such a big name right now

01:13:23

Is because um, he's actually teaching uh critical race theory, um

01:13:29

Uh the sword in the trowel. They actually have been talking about tom askew on those guys Uh, and uh, john harris says too that they've been talking about dr

01:13:37

Martisby he's been bringing in this critical race theory the critical theory which comes from the frankfurt school

01:13:44

It uh comes out of marxist Teaching and it's actually start it starts from a a business model

01:13:51

You know and it goes from the from the financial realm To the to the human realm where where the crossover is is everything is white and everything white is evil

01:14:05

And everything white is evil and must be destroyed in order to in order to make everything.

01:14:11

Uh equality Uh come to bear and so tisby and these others have brought in um, if you guys saw um

01:14:20

By what standard the video that came out that tom askew and the guys put together they actually uh talked about this that it came on um proposition nine at the southern baptist convention when they

01:14:33

Forced that in They actually taught critical race theory and intersectionality As tools to interpret the bible

01:14:42

This is how you interpret the bible. Everything is seen through the lens of marxist, you know communist

01:14:47

Theory and thinking and i'm gonna tell you We all know every one of us here will strongly affirm that you don't interpret the scripture, but how?

01:14:56

Through the script yourself. You do not go through, you know, this type of hoop jump uh mentality of of starting out with your theory that Um everything white and and let's define what white means

01:15:11

That white means anything not black and it doesn't matter what race what what group you're in and I know we're only one race but It it doesn't matter what race you're talking about if you're not authentic You know black culture.

01:15:25

You are not Uh, you're you're not part of the the oppressed culture so you don't have a voice

01:15:31

You know, you know what kills me about that is like it's empirically just not true Like you cannot glance take an overview of history just a glance

01:15:41

To see that it doesn't stand that it doesn't stand. I mean you look at for instance, rwanda

01:15:47

Is that somehow not? Black that's obviously stupid

01:15:54

You look at right now how the islamic state and boko haram have some of the largest slave holdings through jihad in the world

01:16:03

Yeah, and these are middle easterners some of them yes are africanist africans enslaving other africans

01:16:10

The only way critical race theory stands is if you put it in this little test tube of a college classroom

01:16:16

You don't read books. You don't investigate and you don't go deeper And that's what we have too many people go to classes to simply be told what to believe they treat it like I don't know

01:16:28

And suddenly they walk away worse than they were when they walked up the first time You know

01:16:34

It's a problem Think about how terrible it is that we have went from being a culture that that valued education to Being parents who think valuing education means that you send your children off to any indoctrination camp

01:16:52

That's around. Oh, you know and whatever you want to go to Look, I mean We have you know

01:16:59

Etsu right down the road Uh, we have you know northeast state down the road. We have a bunch of other Colleges in the area and Every one of them are teaching, you know this this type of stuff, but the worst part is it's being taught in You know life way materials.

01:17:16

It's being taught in And in churches all over the place And you know charlie charlie kirk and all these guys are trying to warn against it for the longest time tom askell

01:17:24

You know so many different guys are trying to to beg and plead people to to see it for the evil that it is because You said it at the very beginning

01:17:34

It destroys the gospel. It replaces the gospel with this. It's really a works righteous system that that that It changes sin

01:17:46

Not from what the scripture says sin is but from your your ethnic background Your generational curse your generational background, uh, and therefore you can never actually atone for sin and you're never actually sure um

01:18:01

In the critical race theory model, you're never actually sure when you've been declared to be righteous You know and that's that's a terrible uh position to be in with pastor.

01:18:12

Yeah nonsense Okay, so this one here. Yeah, so we got a question for you.

01:18:18

Okay, so this is again You know john should just come in here and ask these questions How would you how would you approach another black person who

01:18:31

Uh who would hear what you're saying and call you an uncle tom

01:18:37

If they wanted to dialogue, oh like because you know, some people don't want to dialogue

01:18:43

No, no dialogue If they wanted to dialogue I would just ask some very basic questions because you know what if you really are able to defend your false philosophies of liberalism

01:18:56

Then we need to talk for instance We I would go to the question. I would go down my democratic line.

01:19:02

Hey, man Who gave us this who gave us this law who gave us that law? And you know what?

01:19:08

Why is Planned Parenthood placing 80 of their clinics in low -income african -american neighborhoods?

01:19:14

Okay, let's you don't want to focus on america. Let's look at africa Let's look at a country that's mostly black and see how well they're doing under critical theory and all these other garbage

01:19:23

You know because if you die the problem with america right now Is that like we saw in the debate people don't want to dialogue because that garbage doesn't stand

01:19:34

Right in the light of truth Now if someone's on a dialogue the truth will be known but if they don't want to dialogue, there's nothing you can do

01:19:41

You shouldn't even worry about it, but I will say sometimes it's surprising Who's listening to what you're saying?

01:19:48

Because sometimes the most unsuspecting person could hear what you're saying And be converted or change their political philosophies and obviously spiritual philosophies when you start talking about the gospel

01:19:58

So it would all depend on if they wanted to dialogue Yeah, so as we're here, we've got about 40 minutes left on the show for anybody listening uh, please come in to stream yard and And ask questions live about pastor ken's ready to get asked or to answer whatever you have to ask him

01:20:18

Subjects to do that. Just go to apologetics live .com You just scroll down till you see the stream yard duck.

01:20:24

Click on the duck. That's all you got to do So so that should transition us into um, like the last major topic

01:20:31

I wanted to get into and which is not fashion Which is not No, maybe that'll be uh, the second time we have them on the show.

01:20:38

We can uh talk fashion That's so and and by the way any other stories you want to share please, uh, just just throw them out at us because uh,

01:20:47

I love I love all your stories, but Blm It's all it's all so ridiculous,

01:21:00

I mean How did so many people get behind blm?

01:21:07

How are so many people buying into blm and and watching the looting and the rioting going on and just Ignoring it.

01:21:15

I mean we had we had Got kamala harris on yesterday, you know yesterday in the in the uh debate, right?

01:21:21

No, I thought you meant on the show And uh, and and she she said peaceful protests

01:21:29

No, but the same same thing peaceful protest that's because they now blame trump For the protests somehow trump is the one causing the rioting and looting his followers.

01:21:39

Just trying to give blm a bad name even They were saying that the rioting and looting is reparations

01:21:47

Yeah, I just what what's going on there, I mean What what insight you have for us here?

01:21:54

Well, it's spiritual darkness first and foremost. I speak to christianity first because you know,

01:21:59

I for me to speak To the unbeliever without first hitting the spiritual is skipping a step right so to the believer first black lives matter is responsible uh for death mayhem murder

01:22:19

Destroying whole neighborhoods and for a christian to endorse an organization that makes

01:22:29

People that were mentally insane martyrs And that takes the heinous and make them heroes is sin

01:22:37

Now I cannot tell you you're safe or not safe, but I can tell you that you should know matthew 5 And see very plainly that jesus never said if you hate if someone does one thing go ahead.

01:22:47

You could hate them No, he said love your enemy Jesus furthermore was said bless those that persecute you, you know, wherever people are with martin luther king

01:22:56

It's pretty clear. He did not do what we are seeing Wherever you're at with him But focusing on black lives matters.

01:23:04

We have an organization that's satanic atheistic and demonic

01:23:11

For the longest time The way I would deal with black lives matters for is like don't read their mission statement read their mission statement

01:23:19

I'm talking about christians non -christians. Just doesn't matter read the mission statement. They said they're against Fatherhood.

01:23:26

Whoa. Wow, that's an idea that came from god. They're against the nuclear family Oh, that's another idea that came from god

01:23:33

They were against Um, or they're for homosexual marriage and against traditional marriage

01:23:38

Oh, look, there's another idea that came from god And then they also said they wanted to take children and make them available for riding loonies to participate in their activity

01:23:47

So jesus said, you know, you take a child And you hurt that child or what you do He says, you know what put a millstone on your neck because on judgment day

01:23:54

It'd be better for you to be take that most and go to the bottom ocean and run Than to see me. That's how bad it's going to be

01:24:01

So you look at black lives matter they blatantly and openly put out their anti -god philosophy

01:24:09

More recently though. They did change their mission statement. They simplified it Now I don't care what they did with their mission statement their works.

01:24:17

Jesus said show them for who they are Jesus said by their fruit you shall know them So you tell me how is it the pastor?

01:24:26

Of large affluent church the leader of the southern baptist convention marches of black lives matter

01:24:32

Is flat -out ignorance That's what it is. And what a shame For anybody to back this organization

01:24:39

And to think you're right with god, but you know, i'm not surprised because that's our americanism You know, we have this have it your way

01:24:46

Christianity We have this mcdonald's christianity Where you can go ahead and remove the pickles and do all those other garbage people want to do with christianity

01:24:54

And just make it what you want it to be But you know what my friend I think we're going to find that we're going to discover what jesus said is that a lot of people

01:25:01

On judgment day we're going to stand before god and realize they never were walking with christ because they never were converted

01:25:07

There are a bunch of false converts and backing groups that are doing evil things if we can't do it as believers

01:25:14

We certainly can't endorse people that are Uh, so yeah black lives matters is full of garbage and i've said so i've made video posts on it

01:25:22

And i'll continue to speak publicly about it and I always will because you know what they're a bunch of satanists running running amok

01:25:30

Yeah I agree completely with you Amen You know, the thing is is that The reason

01:25:41

I think it works is because the slogan and this is true with every marxist organization

01:25:47

They come up with a slogan That is worded in such a way that to disagree with the slogan

01:25:54

Makes you the evil person. So when when they say black lives matter if you say you disagree with black lives matter

01:26:01

Then you want to kill blacks Yeah, and if you say all lives matter somehow you're saying black lives don't matter

01:26:09

Because you're not saying that theirs are the one that matters so like either way They they set it up with such a way where it's the slogan.

01:26:17

Everyone's afraid to speak out against the slogan now and yet And the organization are two different things

01:26:24

Organization is a marxist socialist political party they've admitted that and so That's not the what's behind the slogan black lives matter

01:26:36

This is the difference Yeah, and I think jonathan isaac the Player for the orlando magic did an excellent job of saying why i'm not wearing a black lives matter t -shirt

01:26:46

Why that's not going to change anything and how the gospel does that for a pro athlete that did what he did man

01:26:51

That was mind -blowing. If you haven't seen it, please watch the clip. He did a great job Yep, I saw it

01:26:58

That was good So, you know going back to your your teaching days a little bit were were you forced to be part of the teachers union

01:27:06

No, no north carolina is a non -union state we call it right to work state So you don't have to join any unions here unions are pretty weak here

01:27:14

Our state really works well without them. We have a very north carolina is number one number two economy united states right now and we have

01:27:24

No union You can't have one like they can be there But you cannot be forced to join and as a result a lot of people don't

01:27:31

Because you can just negotiate your own prices and right here The free market economy works extremely well in our state, which

01:27:38

I think is anywhere where you get rid of the union Especially forced to join the union Yeah, absolutely.

01:27:43

Well, so the reason why I asked you because i've done a lot of research over the last almost two years now into social justice and the different components of it with uh,

01:27:54

With a critical race theory, which is now critical theory and intersectionality and deconstructionism and whatnot and some of the stuff

01:28:02

When you look at the history of marxism You probably know a lot of this that goes, you know It goes back to the french revolution lightman period marked carl marx picked up some of the same terms of the enlightenment philosophers

01:28:14

Um ran with that and uh and developed it more got the frankfurt school and it made its way into america in 1905 upper room meeting in lower manhattan is what started off An organization called the intercollegiate society with the the communist a party at the time that you know disappeared but really just folded into the democrats back in the 1920 1921 now

01:28:41

I The intercollegiate society and I talked about this on a podcast a few months ago They by the time from 1905 1917, they got themselves on to dozens of campuses, especially big time colleges

01:28:53

Because their goal was to get on the campus as a student student organizations and get students

01:28:59

Involved teaching marxist ideals. And so when those students now became the future teachers, they would flip schools and flip education

01:29:08

Their plan worked brilliantly now. Here's what I find fascinating my wife who loves garage sailing

01:29:15

That's an understatement for anybody who knows her a huge understatement

01:29:22

I I often I often crack the joke that um When i'm teaching on creation and noah's ark and I talk about how noah's ark was was like the size of a football field and they take another little over half a football field in length and Talk about the width and three decks and you know, there's plenty of room for the animals

01:29:41

You don't need about 12 000 animals on board and and food and stuff And I said there's even enough room for my wife's entire wardrobe

01:29:48

Because people cracking up but I thought it was going back to the garage sales By the way, she does not mind when

01:29:54

I say that joke, so um we go to this garage sale of a retired teacher and There's all these books on the national educators association the nea.

01:30:06

Oh, yeah. Yep And go and it's ties to the department of education I've been reading through these books.

01:30:13

They're fascinating and then scary because yeah Well, I thought that this could I didn't know of this arm of it all

01:30:21

These books that I have are written in the early 80s and They were warning people about the marxism within those organizations

01:30:31

And that they said the roots they could find go back to the 1940s in of the marxist teachings within the nea

01:30:39

Um, I don't know if you call the nea at the time or not But but whatever the predecessor was to it and and that is really what is change education

01:30:47

So what they did is they nationalized education where it used to be that you had education within communities

01:30:53

The parents voted on curriculum the parents knew what the curriculum was the parents took their time to uh

01:31:00

To make sure they knew what the teachers were teaching They would knock out the teachers if teachers weren't teaching what they were called to be right that the parents in the communities controlled

01:31:10

All that stuff but as the nea grew in power, especially with the money they were getting from the From department of education of government that they were able to start to nationalize some of these decisions over time taking away

01:31:24

Literally all the power at the local level to where they're at today And so now you've got the nea and they've been doing this for decades

01:31:31

They're throwing big time money government gives them money and they take this money and give it back to democrat politicians to push more marxist

01:31:41

Uh type laws and we should point out that if you go to antifa and I don't know if this is for black lives matter

01:31:46

As well, but if you go to an antifa's website And donate to them They send you right to the biden campaign.

01:31:54

Yeah, exactly Now that wouldn't be considered illegal because they're not taking your money and then giving you a campaign

01:32:00

But yeah, of course nearly clearly they want you to know who they want you to vote for and who they're supporting

01:32:07

And and being that they're a terrorist organization I actually think that there's only one proper solution now since the democrats have now

01:32:15

Made it clear that they're aligning themselves with a terrorist organization I think every democrat must be forced to resign from office immediately the democrat party

01:32:25

Expanded because it's a terrorist organization and we should just end this now Right before the auction would be great, but yeah

01:32:34

What happened Let me ask you guys a question have you guys heard the winston churchill quote

01:32:39

We got to deal with this everyone's saying what biden said antifa is not an organization

01:32:46

Yeah, okay I don't know how you define an organization biden said he's also worked in politics for 47 years

01:32:52

I would argue he didn't do anything for 47. Yeah He also said he's the smartest one in his class at his school

01:32:59

But the the thing is You know saying antifa is not an organization is like saying that dnc is not an organization.

01:33:06

It's just a political party Saying antifa is an ideology Well, it is And it's an ideology that is with a company.

01:33:15

I mean there is a a website for them they are an organization that collects money for joe biden's uh, joe biden's election, so We said

01:33:26

I heard the aha said the same thing they were an organization we had to go through that deal Yeah, we had to do that.

01:33:32

We had to prove that they were right Yeah What I was going to ask you is have you guys heard the winston churchill quote on the anti -fascist and fascist situation?

01:33:42

He actually said, um just the other day. I'm just kidding. It wasn't the other day. He actually said And people have argued and tried to go back and forth and say that churchill never made the quote

01:33:52

Of course, it's obvious that the the those that are supportive the democrats are supportive have said it

01:33:59

Uh that he never said the quote, but he actually did it's in History books are being rewritten quite a bit uh, he actually said that the the

01:34:08

In the next war next coming wars, uh, the fascist will call you

01:34:15

The fascists they will they will say they are anti -fascist And they will say that you are the fascist and that's what we were fighting in world war ii you know, that's where the fight came from the problem happened is is when we had all these intellectuals in uh in government that decided to to allow these these uh german basically, you know, uh

01:34:36

Bad people to come over as scholars and whatnot and we put them in our schools We put them in our teaching facilities and everywhere else we could find to put them put them at Um knowing that they would come in and they would indoctrinate our children

01:34:51

Yeah, yeah, it's a you know any system where you remove god Yeah, and the government becomes hope first off.

01:34:58

I would call you a mindless buffoon for believing that Because it doesn't take a long study of history to realize the government has never

01:35:05

Ever been the hope of mankind. It will never be the hope of mankind the reason why america has prospered as it has under the ideas of christianity

01:35:13

And you look at fascism and communism or yeah fascism communism two two same things really different extremes

01:35:21

Of the party, you know, you got commies over here fastest over here Same ideas different extremes and it's all garbage and nonsense

01:35:29

You know what kills me is you look at communists who like want to pretend like they love minorities It's like you have nothing but oppression and you like those who you can subjugate and that'll bow down your little communist plantation

01:35:41

That's all it's about they do like minorities. They they like minorities because they like having someone to take oppress

01:35:51

And those people to look and it's like, you know, it really is an abusive abuser abuser abusive relationship because You have the you have the abuser grooming

01:36:02

Training them to to accept their their lot in life. And what they're doing is they're as they abuse as the democrat party and the marxist abuse the poor and the black and the the underprivileged and the oppressed as They abuse them in other words as they oppress them they expect those people to thank them and blame themselves and and Hold on But I guess we've triggered mr.

01:36:28

John. He's he's done typing his his uh questions in Come in directly.

01:36:33

Mr. Atomic apologetics himself john Welcome. Hey, thanks a lot, man

01:36:40

Also mentioned he's also known as clock commander because there's usually a chicken somewhere in the room

01:36:47

They're they're put away right now it's getting darker now, so Anyway, uh, hey pastor ken,

01:36:53

I really appreciate what you've been doing and uh talking about the things that that are that are going on I've been kind of interested in this whole topic about you know, critical race theory the black lives matter movement

01:37:05

For I don't know for the past. I don't know six months or so just trying to get a lot of information from it and um

01:37:15

You know, I was I asked a question earlier in the chat, but I don't know if it got posted or not. But um

01:37:21

So the black lives matters movement that there really are pushing the whole thing about the idea of reparations or what they call ados ados, which is

01:37:32

Africa, no american descendant of slavery. Um Is this a practical thing

01:37:39

I mean coming from from a from a black man like yourself Uh, is this something that is well, first of all, is it biblical?

01:37:48

Which I don't think it is but and then secondly, um, you know, is this something that is a possibility?

01:37:54

Uh, how I mean, how would you think this would work? Uh in our in our country

01:38:02

Yeah I think the whole point of I reparations are one reparation is never gonna happen.

01:38:08

All right, so let's just say that there I think the whole talk Of reparations is to ensnare the politically ignorant, right?

01:38:17

I mean think about it I'm, sorry. I first voted in 2004 Bush versus kerry,

01:38:23

I think it was And they were talking about reparations then And it's been the same every year back

01:38:29

I can even tell you this speech fat al sharpton now. He's skinny because he got his stomach sir fat al sharpton gave on reparations and so So They bring it up every presidential election

01:38:42

To ensnare the ignorant at the hope of getting something for free That's the democratic party's line.

01:38:49

You saw kamala harris say it if you vote for us We'll give you two free years of junior college if you make less than 400 000 you get to go to university for free

01:39:00

If you get this we're going to reduce your student loan debt by this I mean, it's like we should call the party oprah you get money and you get money and you get money

01:39:08

That's all it is. It's garbage. I mean, I really don't take the reparations talk very serious because i've heard it Every year now and if you could follow back historically, it's something they've always thrown out

01:39:18

Okay, so here's here's some issues I have with reparations one How are you going to define who was?

01:39:25

An ancestor of slaves. Yeah, you're not proving that so It's it's been so long the records aren't going to be there to show that You're then what do you do with the blacks that own slaves?

01:39:38

And and the blacks that kidnap people and Sold them now that those people come over here.

01:39:43

Do they pay the reparations too? And then what do you do with the fact that all the whites that fought for freedom for the slaves?

01:39:51

Do they have to pay reparations because I think I think there's only one fair way to do reparations And I do support reparations.

01:39:57

I think we should do it fairly Those that party that supported slavery that fought to keep it legal

01:40:05

Literally fought to keep it legal to keep people enslaved the party of the klu klux klan the party that was

01:40:12

That was against the similarities. In other words the party that wanted to keep them enslaved the democrats

01:40:18

I think every democrat should pay reparations to every black american.

01:40:24

Wouldn't that be nice? well if your party is uh has people in it that are the what do they call that the the giant one -eyed cyclops of Of the the klu klux klan i've never heard that before until just the other day

01:40:39

I mean, I didn't know that was a thing but if you if your party is that and and and the person that is supposed to be your your main spokesman is is is running and he's been been um praising this guy

01:40:56

And and all those groups i'm Wrong, that's wrong on so many levels Yeah, what do you think about this?

01:41:04

Like I think how many blacks voted for hillary clinton who said that margaret sanger the eugenics racist who wanted to wipe out the black

01:41:11

Population is doing a great job through Planned Parenthood. She said that was her hero You know when people's minds, you know, and this is going back to the gospel

01:41:20

Because I preach on politics regularly from the pulpit not to preach on politics as the herodians did but Right, you know for instance

01:41:34

Last week we did luke or two weeks ago. Luke three One through three you see luke go through all these pains of laying out the emperor to the governor

01:41:45

To the tetrarchs then to the high priest and then john is talking to these people who are oppressed who are going through it

01:41:52

But you know what john said is he says, you know What your problem is you're oppressed because you're a snake because you're a generation of vipers because you were at odds with god

01:42:01

Man is at odds with you and you are being oppressed by the government you have created. I mean like whoa

01:42:08

Go tell that to a black lives matters rally who just think oh, let's put it Let's put in another crook in office and everything will be solved.

01:42:15

No problem is not the people we have in office The problem we have the problem is the people in the mirror People who need to be saved because you need to be born again because you are at odds with god

01:42:25

You're working against his principles and unless you're regenerated by spirit of god, you will die burn in hell and his life will not matter

01:42:33

You know I hope you you picked that one more thing up. They said last week He was in luke three because if you listen earlier, he said last year he started luke so just for the record

01:42:43

After within a year, he's he is rapidly going through the book of luke but What it means to me is that you have blacks that will vote for biden a man who said

01:42:55

You know and just think about how derogatory this is to say if you don't vote for me. You're not black.

01:43:01

What did he say? he basically said that the that Black people are there to put food on the shelves for him

01:43:09

Yep, you know, so this is what he thinks of these black and then they're going to go vote for him He has he belittles blacks.

01:43:16

He thinks and he's the one that was part of a white supremacist group for the record But they want to ask the question of trump

01:43:25

Uh trump has never praised white supremacy biden Yeah, but the question

01:43:31

I want to ask you is Anthony has done here. He's he's uh, I can I can I can sense

01:43:36

I can I I think I you know, the lord is to me Is he whispering?

01:43:42

Yeah, grab that book right there. I I think he's whispering. Yeah. Is that what he's doing? Yeah, see god god doesn't whisper by jim osmond, but he clearly just Yeah.

01:43:51

Yeah, it could be that i'm looking at your computer with the article that you pulled up. Oh I wanted to ask you

01:43:58

Hold on I hear it. Yep. Yeah, what's what's that lord? Anthony's gonna give me 50 bucks.

01:44:04

Okay No us had to hurt him So it's okay so sidebar sidebar

01:44:12

I was with someone uh a a someone who was a lutheran pastor

01:44:19

And uh, she said that god she you got it Yeah Was telling her to be a pastor she was struggling with this for two years in prayer and uh, so she now realizes

01:44:33

That women can't be pastors So that presents a problem doesn't it and so I just asked her

01:44:39

I said, um, so You know, she's like what is this? You know, what you know, like I was having struggle.

01:44:46

I didn't want to be a pastor I said well, I can't tell you what it was, but I could tell you what it wasn't Yeah Um, you know

01:44:55

Good from an apologetic standpoint. Here's here's uh, what I will do when somebody says that they uh,

01:45:01

That they heard from god i'll say Give me an objective And give me an objective, uh test as to how you know, it wasn't satan

01:45:10

And not god How do you know, how do you know it was god because either way you have to go back to his words

01:45:15

So why does why does your? nudging feeling Voice of god count more than god's word itself, right?

01:45:23

Yeah No, that's right, and they won't contradict for sure or maybe it's just their split personality speaking to him

01:45:29

You know, I don't know but that's the point is how do you actually do you have no objective? You have no objective way other than to go to god's word.

01:45:36

Yeah, okay So, you know, I this whole reparations. I haven't done this in a while. But um,

01:45:41

I decided to bring this up So you guys remember the name david horowitz? I'm gonna take a quick break, right?

01:45:49

So finally I get the main I get the real chair David horowitz he he uh back in the election in 2000

01:45:59

The reparations talk was around we were all a lot younger than we probably don't Remember this a whole lot.

01:46:05

I remember it very little actually But I do remember this david horowitz guy took out because I was in dental school at the time

01:46:13

He took out ads in in all the major newspapers College newspapers across the country and printed this article said david horowitz's 10 reasons why reparations for slavery is a bad idea for blacks and racist too

01:46:29

So this has been an issue that's been around for a while and so anybody can go look this up and find this article

01:46:34

Um from literally 20 years ago, um online, but one thing that was fascinating to me is

01:46:41

And this is why I wanted to bring it back up again Um, he goes through like the 10 reasons and here's a couple of them all one

01:46:48

There's no single group clearly responsible for the crime of slavery two. There's no one group that benefited exclusively from its fruits

01:46:56

Three only a tiny minority of white americans ever owned slaves and others gave their lives to free them, right?

01:47:01

350 000 union soldiers that were white Died in order to give them freedom um

01:47:09

And the list goes on I mean People read it, you know, it's it's really good.

01:47:14

But you know when it comes to When it comes to the first one, there's no single group clearly responsible for the crime of slavery

01:47:22

Black africans and arabs were responsible for enslaving the ancestors of african americans

01:47:29

Islam one of the biggest proponents even today even today, right? Just like you had said earlier, there were 3 000 black slave owners in the antebellum united states

01:47:39

Are reparations to be paid by their descendants, too? You know and so, you know,

01:47:45

I know virgil walker daryl harrison have done a lot of research on this stuff granted The stuff's out there already anyway, and they did a nice job putting it together in their in their podcast

01:47:54

But um, this is this is nothing new I mean, I don't mean to simplify stuff but it's like I call it stupidity and nonsense

01:48:03

For people who have never experienced a crime To want payment from people who never committed the crime get out of here with that garbage.

01:48:12

I'm, sorry I just I just think this is stupid. I just i'm not trying to simplify it I mean for anybody who wants to go there.

01:48:17

I just think it's nonsense Doesn't the bible even say and I know

01:48:22

I know it does but i'm just Rhetorically then the bible even say that the the children shall not be punished or pay for the sins of the father

01:48:31

I mean You know, it's it's it's clear as a bell in scripture that this is an unbiblical practice, you know, it's

01:48:39

It's not something that that the scripture anywhere at all condones Right, you know as a you know and the only reason

01:48:46

I say that and I know that some of these guys aren't christians, but There are a lot of professing christian pastors that are teaching this

01:48:54

You know and and if they're teaching this I mean look We've got people at sbc like crazy that are teaching this

01:49:01

That are that are just jumping jumping, you know their entire churches Uh into this to where they should be running out and you know, forget the gospel

01:49:11

Let's go and do reparations and let's go atone Because if we're going to be really christians, uh one

01:49:16

I can't remember who it was But somebody just finished saying in one of his sermons that if you are truly born again

01:49:23

Then you should listen to the oppression language of the black man You you can't be a born -again christian if you're not listening to their their

01:49:33

What kills me about that is, you know, I I don't mean to sound racist when I say this, but I sometimes wish that well -meaning

01:49:41

But very ignorant white evangelicals would shut up And I mean Think about what has happened

01:49:48

We decried george floyd right only to watch that 20 minute video and then see well, you know what maybe a restraint hold

01:49:55

One better options just saying And then we went ahead and we got all upset

01:50:02

About the guy that went to stab the woman he raped And got shot in the back because the cop fell a threat because he wouldn't drop the knife

01:50:11

Or we get all upset about brianna taylor who now evidence has showed She was a key part of her ex -boyfriend's drug trade even to the days before the shooting

01:50:24

We have phone recordings of her talking about And text messages of talking about selling transporting drugs pictures of her with the m16 now

01:50:36

And all this other nonsense and what does the bible tell us about this as believers? You know, it's interesting proverbs chapter 7 does not endorse murder

01:50:45

But proverbs chapter 7 says if you commit adultery and you get caught and her husband kills you you deserve it

01:50:52

Think about that Right. God's not saying it's right to murder. He's not saying that guy should murder. What are you saying?

01:50:57

You know what if it happens, what did you expect? The way of the transgressor is hard And when we seek blood and do the things that the lord hates proverbs 6 lie

01:51:09

Feet that are swift to say to mischief a proud look a lying tongue hands that shed innocent blood

01:51:16

And why are we surprised when we end up on the bad end of a transaction? You know what all every church in the world in america needs is more personal responsibility through the preaching of the law

01:51:26

We need to stop pretending to tell people that they're bad because their environment's bad No, they're bad because our hearts are rotten

01:51:33

Jesus said we murder because it comes out of our heart We lie because it comes out of our heart We commit adultery because it comes out of our heart not because the way we're raised

01:51:41

And I wish pastors just get back to the gospel Amen I have a well -meaning but I just wish they shut up because what they're doing is making more trouble for people like myself

01:51:51

Who are preaching the word of god and who are teaching what the right counsels of the lord? Yeah, and you know one of the things is you know the way they play it off it's like oh but you know

01:52:01

Brianna taylor. She she wanted to be a nurse Michael brown he wanted to he was on his way to go to college and he was punching a cop in his cop car

01:52:13

Yeah, I'd have shot him too it's ridiculous, you know, I mean it's it this is the whole thing that you end up seeing and um,

01:52:21

I was looking I there we we got to get a meme made and I think it was uh, John here that put put the quote, you know, i'm now forgetting the the quote from uh that you had earlier about What was the quote john that that you had quoted pastor ken earlier?

01:52:38

That he kept saying something about oh, uh Something about throw your brain away or Okay, so we gotta do is

01:52:46

We gotta get a meme john with suit saying Throw your brain away, you know that So john wants us to play a 20 second clip from malcolm x

01:53:00

Here we go. Yeah It's malcolm x explaining how to fix the world first the white man and the black man

01:53:08

Have to be able to sit down at the same table The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that negro

01:53:15

And the so -called negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man

01:53:21

Then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table And take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved.

01:53:27

That's the only way that they'll ever do it Hey, man, you know what's so funny they got this picture that was made back in the 60s that was

01:53:38

Yeah That was quoted back in the 60s that guy Even though I know

01:53:44

I don't agree with every single view of this guy But he was much more right on than he was with mlk

01:53:51

I mean this guy knew how to Solve the problem between race between man between the black man and a white man this kid sounds what

01:53:59

I think that That quote was spot on You know what I always say is that You end up seeing that if you want to end racism, you have to end all

01:54:09

Racism, you will never end racism by by reversing it and saying calling calling

01:54:16

Something that's racist not racist because of a previous racism. It's still right

01:54:22

Redefining racism doesn't end racism. It just changes it But it's still racist.

01:54:28

What do you think about? biblical Biblical biblical philosophy toward ideology of the press right i'm gonna take you to matthew chapter 5

01:54:37

First off let me just rant real quick and for christians to say that jesus reinvented the law and made us Like totally just let us off the hook.

01:54:44

You've never read matthew 5 and please shut up I don't care how pretty it sounds you're ruining what it's saying so That being said let's give you the backdrop of matthew 5

01:54:53

Jesus is speaking to a crowd who is being crushed under the heel of the romans For anything we think of police brutalities where the romans were the romans were worse

01:55:03

They had no due process You didn't get a lawyer the governor had complete power and a roman soldiers can do what they wanted to you when they wanted to And jesus is standing before this crowd

01:55:14

And then all of a sudden instead of like decrying the horrible roman Monsters and telling everybody how he as a messiah was going to destroy the world system and overthrow them

01:55:26

No, what does he do? He looks at them And he says you have heard it said do not commit adultery

01:55:33

But I say unto you if you look at a woman to commit adultery you have done it already in your heart

01:55:39

He goes further. He says you heard that do not commit murder, but I say unto you who has hated his brother

01:55:45

He's murdered him in his heart And he just starts nailing these people And laying it into them in essence saying you know what you've got a problem with the romans, but the problem is you

01:55:57

Because you blaspheme god you live according to your traditions You are the one where that do not doesn't love your enemy that doesn't pray for those that persecute you

01:56:07

You're the one who brings this upon you And it's like whoa, what a countercultural message

01:56:14

That god took his law applied it to these people that were oppressed And you know, he told said you're the problem

01:56:21

You're the problem. You want to change the world change yourself You want to change the way things around you you need to be born again

01:56:29

You know what? The problem is the problem is not the fact that your hands do all this wickedness The problem is that your hearts do this wickedness and your hands follow in action

01:56:37

And it's like when are people going to preach the gospel? And stop trying to pat people on the behind and tell them how bad they've been treated and the truth is no man

01:56:45

You are falling away from god and we have a personal responsibility to be reconciled to god through the through the jesus christ because only he

01:56:54

And to get ourselves together in the eyes of god, that's the only way to transform society at all

01:57:00

And so when people start talking about how to stop racism It's like look you stop it with yourself

01:57:06

By being the believer that god's called you to be if you're not a believer by repenting and being born again

01:57:11

Obviously, we know the holy spirit does that but for christian pastors to treat it any other way Than to look at what the gospel plainly says in a situation that it's

01:57:21

Very close If not a wonderful parallel for what we're facing right now because they had it worse

01:57:28

People that want to tell me I would exist when jesus existed, please You think you'd be better than peter and paul and the other 11?

01:57:36

Yeah, right I would i'd be i'm glad to live in a century. I live in they had a rough compared to what

01:57:41

I have Uh, so I just think it's nonsense Well, pastor ken we we appreciate you coming on here if you're having your insight and uh,

01:57:51

You drop bombs. I know all over the place And we didn't hear any good stories that's that's no so well folks with this i'm gonna

01:58:03

Put pastor ken in the back and uh, we're gonna close out with a little bit of a lengthy Uh, well, we should let pastor ken give some content.

01:58:11

Okay, because you know if there's any Want him to come and do some talks

01:58:16

Actually, there was a church that someone wanted him not just to go to There's wherever was in north carolina.

01:58:22

They wanted him to move there So, yeah ken, how can people get a hold of you

01:58:29

Honestly easiest way is uh bethel www .bethelbaptistwilsonnc

01:58:37

.com Our website drop a comment or my facebook page which is linked to this you can just send me a message on facebook

01:58:45

You know, that's the easiest those are two ways. I respond pretty quickly to both Well, thanks, thanks for coming on and uh, what we want to do for you folks

01:58:54

Is is anthony and I going to go off want to we're going to bring in an interview I had earlier today about a conference that you would want to attend.

01:59:03

So give a listen Okay, so i'm here today with a fellow who is running the cruciform conference and you may not have heard about this

01:59:13

Why haven't you you should have been paying attention? But in case you didn't we're going to talk about a conference that's put on by cruciform ministries

01:59:21

Brandon, how are you today? I'm good. I'm very good There are some people

01:59:27

I don't know why they haven't heard of this conference I don't know why They gotta start paying more attention, huh?

01:59:33

I agree because you got quite a lineup here of speakers and before we get to that let's talk first about the conference its goals its mission and then get into this year's topic and some of the

01:59:46

Topics some of the speakers. So why do you create this conference? I created this conference namely to help indianapolis indiana.

01:59:54

There's at the risk of offending a Ton of people i'll say it there's just not a lot of good

02:00:00

Churches that preach a lot of solid doctrine here And so I thought to myself how can

02:00:05

I get people at least somewhat excited about the bible our churches here love programs events so on and it seemed

02:00:14

Wise to me to start a conference in order to get good doctrine into the city and so last year was our first year and I wound up just asking some friends if they would come and Teach the bible for a couple days.

02:00:26

It's turned into a yearly thing and I don't know how long it will last But it's it's been fun so far and friends have been gracious to help out and then new friends that I make

02:00:36

Have been eager to jump in and help as well. That's the primary reason

02:00:42

I started it So tell me about cruciform ministries. What is it that you guys do?

02:00:47

What is the goal of it cruciform ministries exists? To equip disciples of jesus with the gospel of jesus and primarily we do that through Conferences right now and we have some online conferences.

02:00:59

We've done one on abortion We've done one on how to read your bible my friend kofi, which is really cool

02:01:06

He did like a little three -day seminar. He will not be back this year, but he will be back next year

02:01:12

He says so he's a good guy. He is and then we have another one coming up in December which might be somewhat polarizing to people on post -millennialism, so for or against It's gonna be pro pro

02:01:26

Post -millennialism, but we also plan to and i've talked to some friends who shall remain nameless at this point doing one on amillennialism

02:01:34

So not everybody on the cruciform team shares the same eschatology. So we try to play nice Well, you know you should do one on pro -millennialism if there's a millennium we're all for it.

02:01:44

Yeah That's the first time i've heard an eschatology joke That wasn't just super cliche

02:01:52

I've heard that one before so you get Two thumbs up for that one. Usually people do the uh, the pan millennial

02:01:58

Which is why I don't see I don't like the things that everyone does You know, so let's talk about the the conference itself the motivation for this conference

02:02:07

Is it's it's very similar to why striving fraternity started our equip conferences We used to be our spreading the fire conferences across the country was the same thing the same motivation to disciple

02:02:17

To be able but we we were more on we want to train people up and because we didn't see a lot of good churches

02:02:24

Train people up and then get them out on the streets evangelizing. So We had we we used to have the conference really to gather people together

02:02:31

So we had people to go evangelize with but it is a problem in a lot of areas where churches are well

02:02:36

They've gone the way of the world. I guess the easiest way to say it which Really leads us into the topic for this year's conference

02:02:45

It's very different than the way of the world and not one that many people want to talk about Uh or have a conference on so what's this year's topic at the groups forum conference?

02:02:54

It's going to be on holiness the holiness of god our holiness and discipleship and then all these different kinds of We're just going to attack holiness from a myriad of different angles in god's case.

02:03:06

He's holy. He's separate from sin There's a whole lot of ways we can explain this there is the fact that we have to live holy

02:03:12

This is something the world doesn't want to talk about especially most of the churches I mean a lot of the churches what they want to talk about is jesus is your friend

02:03:21

Have a relationship with him Isn't he so nice? You know, he just wants everything for you

02:03:30

Holiness kind of flies in the face of all that Absolutely, so who do you have coming who who are some of the speakers and then we'll get into dates and location

02:03:40

Yeah, so god willing our lineup is uh, justin peters, uh your friend anthony methenia

02:03:47

Jeffrey johnson gabe hughes, so maybe I should slow down so in case you don't know justin peters does the clouds without water seminars and Many other things and i'm sure people are pretty aware of His ministry with john mcarthur and guys out there in california and anthony methenia does the media gratia videos

02:04:08

The behold your god stuff. He also pastors christ church radford And then we have jeffrey johnson who runs free grace press as well as grace bible theological seminary

02:04:19

And pastors grace church in conway arkansas, then you have the when we understand the text individual named gabe hughes

02:04:28

Justin huffman a pastor in canada, but we won't hold that against him cole dikey Who is a church planter in iowa who is just a young fiery preacher that everybody should listen to for sure

02:04:40

You can go back and listen to if you are a pastor or a preacher Or you aspire to be so his talk is going to be on holiness in the preacher and preaching so it's going to be good

02:04:52

And then russell st. John many people might not know who he is, but he is actually a pastor in st

02:04:58

Louis, missouri. He was my pastor actually while I was in seminary and uh, he is

02:05:04

Probably one of the best preachers i've ever heard so he will bless everyone for sure

02:05:09

And then we have of course myself jonathan hayashi Chris huff And then we have a few guys doing some breakouts

02:05:18

Duane from the bar podcast to be one and then my favorite breakout speaker besides you of course

02:05:26

Uh to talk about is michelle leslie, uh, so she's gonna come and she's gonna do both days

02:05:31

She's been with us since day one and she she does she sets up shop and does talks for the women both days and women only

02:05:39

She refuses to to let men in there for good reasons, so it's It's going to be a good time.

02:05:45

And then of course you've signed up to help us out as well Yeah, that was something we kind of worked out more last minute

02:05:50

I hadn't been doing too many speaking events covet everything got shut down and I had some things going on In my church that required attention.

02:05:58

So I had stopped speaking events until we could work through that I've talked about that on my podcast.

02:06:03

So let's let's talk about the dates location How people can get more information about this.

02:06:10

Yeah to get more information you can go to cruciform ministries .org That's the slow way

02:06:16

With many steps, but you could just go to cruciform conference .com and then you can click the get tickets

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So the price is going to be varied as of right now They are still in early bird prices, but we will shoot that up at some point the dates are october 23rd and 24th with a pre -conference being on the 22nd on the sanctity of human life or abortion

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And it's going to be in indianapolis, indiana At the church that I pastor in new hope church, which is 2240 east 106th street in carmel, indiana

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Yeah, so this is this is going to be it's coming up quick So get in your cars if you don't want to fly with a mask on because they just start driving.

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Yeah. Yeah This new way of travel. I mean one thing that I know i've been getting asked a lot

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Do I have to wear a mask? Do I have to be social distance from everybody? So for folks who who are thinking about coming?

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There's a big question nowadays What's what are we going to do with that? Well, we are not going to be requiring masks or demanding that people stand on dots in order to stay away from people

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However, we are going to be responsible and we will have hand sanitizer in many places

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We will be keeping the place clean and so we're going to be very cognizant, you know, they're being an illness about However, we're not going to get super worked up about it

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Our church specifically the congregation that I lead. Um, we we never closed our doors now that doesn't mean that every single person came all the time, but we have

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Refrained from shutting our doors because the church is in fact essential and so You know, we we don't get too worked up about it over And new hope and we hope that that's not alarming to other people the dates again are going to be october 23rd and 24th

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This is going to be in carmel indiana. If you're flying in you can fly into indianapolis. You can go to cruciform

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So that's c -r -u c -i -f -o r -m

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Ministries .org and if you go there, you're going to see the conference. I know you you gave them the cruciform

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Conference website, but the reason I want you guys to go cruciform ministries website is so you can see the other

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Conferences that they're putting together. So this the one on holiness the cruciform conference on holiness october 23rd 24th

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You can go check that out But they also have the purchase victory conference coming up in december that was mentioned

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Some other conferences that you'll see coming up on there So you want to get in touch with that with this ministry this website so you could track more of the events

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They got going on. I hope to see everyone there at the cruciform conference this october, which is coming up soon

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You you got all the planning done. There's nothing left for you to do, right? Yeah Uh There's always stuff popping up that I gotta deal with and everything's like that.

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Welcome to conference planning Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so so give folks an encouraging word.

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Why why should they come I would primarily say It'll just be an edifying time

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I mean we've been cooped up in our house for the better part of the year now is a time where I think we're

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Starting to uh get our feet back under us. We're starting to be brave enough to go to certain events

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You know, I think it'll just be good to just get in a room with a bunch of believers the family of god and to hear about jesus and hear about What he calls us to the world is is mad

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And we need now more than ever to arm ourselves with the correct weapons and the correct weapons against the world as it is is holiness and it is also

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Going to bring us closer to jesus And I don't think there is a better topic for the day than holiness with that folks again

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October 22nd is the pre -conference 23rd 24th cruciform conference in carmel, indiana

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The cruciform conference on holiness you do not want to miss this If you haven't heard some of the speakers that are there you are going to want to be here to listen if you haven't heard

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Guys like justin peters gabe hughes you you want to go and check this out.

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So Make sure you sign up register Registration you can do at the door, but it is better for planning purposes that you register online.