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“The BROKENHEARTED EVANGELIST”
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I'm so delighted to have returning to the iron sharpens iron radio program Jeremy Walker who is pastor of the Maiden Bower Baptist Church of Crawley in West Sussex England, and he's an author and blogger at Reformation 21 and the Rondeur the Wanderer.
And we are addressing one of his books today The broken-hearted evangelist and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you to iron sharpens iron radio pastor Jeremy Walker. Hello Chris, thanks for having me back good to be with you.
Oh, it's great to have you on the program again pastor Jeremy and What I'm gonna do is I'm going to read a product description that the publishers reformation heritage books have provided us with and This is no doubt going to be a fascinating interview with a Gutless orthodoxy.
Christians today quickly affirm biblical truth regarding evangelism and mission. But author Jeremy Walker reminds us we cannot pretend that we know and believe the truth about men souls Heaven hell and salvation unless it is making a difference in the way.
We think feel praise speak and act. How do Christians develop this sense of urgency to see lost sinners saved? What motivates our evangelism? We must have the character of the broken-hearted evangelist the the The cat we must have the character of the broken-hearted evangelist the David of Psalm 51.
Who recognizes the greatness of his own sin looks to God for forgiveness? Then recognizes his undeniable obligation to teach transgressors God's ways in an engaging style with pastoral Warmth Walker urges Christians to exercise their obligation and privilege to teach transgressors God's ways providing both spiritual truth and practical guidance for carrying out this necessary Gospel duty.
Now, I'm going to read some very profound and remarkable commendations for this book by folks who have been Guests here on iron sharpens iron radio. Such as dr. John MacArthur of grace to you ministries in Recent years.
Providence has brought a number of people into my life and ministry who are passionate about evangelism. Some of them are especially keen to win friends fellow workers and Family to Christ. Others are engaged in various kinds of open-air evangelism.
Bringing the gospel to people they have never met before. I thank God for all of them and the passion that drives them. This excellent book by Jeremy Walker Explains the biblical principles that underlie and provoke such passion.
Reminding us that time is short. The need is urgent. The laborers are few and the fields are white unto harvest. That was as I said Dr. John MacArthur, my friend Conrad and Bayway a pastor of Kibwata Baptist Church in Lusaka Zambia Africa.
Says Jeremy Walker's book is in the tradition of the Puritan classic Joseph Elaine's alarm to the unconverted. This is more Jeremy Walker's alarm to the To the converted it is a pleasant surprise coming as it does from a part of our world where Christianity has largely entered a garrison a bunker mode.
The book based on psalm 51 13 is not meant simply to teach us about Evangelism it demands a verdict. He enlists the help of the great soul winners in history to reinforce his appeals. Even before I finished reading the book I was already asking myself whether my heart was truly broken about the lost around me and if it is What am I doing about it?
And that is I said that was Conrad and Bayway of Kibwata Baptist Church, Lusaka Zambia Africa and then Rob Ventura who I've had on this program pastor of Grace Community Baptist Church in Rhode Island.
The broken-hearted evangelist is a challenging call to our great Responsibility and glorious privilege of personally sharing the gospel of Christ with others in this book pastor Jeremy Walker does a superb job of showing us from the life of David that mercies received from God are to be a key-motivating factor for us telling others about him filled with much practical instruction and Penetrating insight.
This book is very helpful in teaching us how to become wise and winning souls for Jesus. Would we live up to such a high biblical calling in our lives? Would we do our master's bidding as he calls us to do?
May the Lord be pleased to use this stirring work To these holy and blessed ends and now I'm going to let someone who I have not yet had on this program as a guest Paul Washer world-renowned evangelist and author.
He is going to in his own words now tell you something about this book, which he obviously Loves tremendously and has had a great impact on his life. Here's dr. Paul. Here's pet. Here's Paul Washer with his own words about this now.
The next book is Really?
Well, it's become a part of my heart. It's the broken-hearted evangelist by Jeremy Walker. Now this this is an exceptional book on evangelism, and I don't say that lightly. I'm involved in missions and I'm involved in evangelism and I feel that one of the greatest responsibilities.
If not, the greatest responsibility of the church is to reach the lost to preach the gospel to every creature but sometimes Even men like me who are involved in missions. We we lack the motivation the zeal that we need and that's what this book talks about now.
Let me read to you just the some introductory statements. How do Christians develop a sense of urgency to see lost sinners saved? What motivates our evangelism? We must have the character of the broken-hearted evangelist.
The David of Psalms 51 who recognizes the greatest the greatness of his own sin looks to God for forgiveness. Then recognizes his undeniable obligation to teach transgressors God's ways.
Now.
This is a very very unique book in that. After reading it I wanted to go out and witness to everybody that I came in contact with. But I wasn't driven by the whip of a master or the whip of a guilty conscience, but by what God had done for me.
Being the tremendous sinner that I was when the Lord Jesus Christ Saved me and how he's changed my life how his forgiveness Has transformed my life. It causes me to want to go out to other men women children and tell them about Jesus.
Also, I know that like David if God could forgive a sinner like me Then he is capable able to save all those who come to him. I wrote a recommendation for this book and I put the broken-hearted evangelist will refresh strengthen and equip the most timid saint for the work of soul winning.
Jeremy Walker's consideration of evangelism from the perspective of Psalms 51 is like fresh water drawn from a well. He does not merely exhort us to greater faithfulness in evangelism and then leave us bewildered and guilty.
Instead he takes us to the very fountain from which all true motivation and strength for evangelism springs forth The gospel and its glorious impact upon our lives. So I really recommend this book to you the broken-hearted evangelist.
Well, that was Paul Washer.
Giving obviously a very heartfelt Commendation for this book and now I can tell people that Paul Washer has been on iron sharpens. I'm ready. Just kidding. In fact we should all be praying for Paul Washer because he is Recovering from a heart attack that he had recently.
And do you have any updates on that brother Jeremy?
He seems to be recovering well. My sense from Speaking to mutual friends is that he's already trying to get back in the saddle. Whether or not that's the wisest thing is not something to judge. I'm sure he's his wife and is Taking good care of him giving him wisely and it is under in any kind of sense.
Yes, and I had the privilege of meeting brother Paul for the first time when I was at the g3 Conference in Atlanta, Georgia back in January before he had his heart attack and he was actually feeling very under the weather back then.
So I ask of all my iron sharpens iron radio listeners to pray For a Paul Washer that he is restored to fullness of strength and vitality that he may Continue to bless the body of Christ And even the lost whom he evangelizes.
Very soon and we are all a better Church to have Paul Washer a part of it by God's grace and mercy and look forward to a Sunday Having him on the program as well. I know that the people that he works with have expressed interest in scheduling an interview with him, but he has just been so busy and Battling health problems on top of it that it's been difficult.
But hopefully that will come about at some point in the near future and I will let you know Without a doubt if Paul can be on the program with us. What were the circumstances in your own ministry and life that led you to say?
I've got to write a book about the broken-hearted evangelist and why a broken heart is a required element of Genuine and biblically successful evangelism not success in the way the world defines success, but success the way the.
Scriptures would define it because I was 51 and When I came to time, I think holy spirit and because of me of the and others like it biblically defined and manner of evangelism of the Men who saw an unusual there were church plantings into the 19th century men like and then on to turn and then To the Apostles themselves and we applaud it.
I Was not sure or we?
What do you think are some of the root causes of the apathy and the lack of genuine heartfelt heartbroken Concern and passion that Christians have in regard to evangelism because this unlike the accusation of many of our Anti-calvinist brethren or friends and acquaintances or dare I say enemies?
The the accusation is this is really the the the backyard of the Calvinists that we are the ones Exclusively who are guilty of this lack of heartbroken evangelism and Although I would not hesitate to admit That there are many Calvinists who are guilty as charged in regard to this and I'm also willing to admit Sadly that I am often guilty of this but it is not exclusively obviously a Calvinistic problem because there are Arminians who behave like hyper Calvinists Either just because they are lazy or They are self-righteous and do not want to commingle with people who are overt sinners.
People who are perhaps even scandalous sinners. They don't even want anything to do with them. But there are all kinds of reasons why we have this apathy and lack of passion in evangelism. But what what are some of the things that come to your own mind?
Well, it's I think it's probably only fair that I speak with regard to my own tribe as it were. Sometimes hard to dispute the charge at least based on the evidence. We can say that we don't believe it, but practically.
We can act like those who freely preached and sinners invited to come. So why is that? Why where where does the disconnect between our? Doctrine and our practice. Creeping level. You could raise a number of questions a number of.
There is earth man that that holds us back. There's for some the church in the modern West is. And they've got what? Conrad and Baywick. It's called a developing bunker mentality. Well, we just need to have a large pieces.
It may be creep out from under the rock and hopefully. But I think fundamentally. Chris and you're talking about unbelief. Salvation but I believe that. And act the Lord would stamp them and that said of necessity.
Myself. Well, I'm gonna give our.
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Do you think we as reformed Christians often use the sovereignty of God as an excuse?
For the lack of evangelism in our lives. I think that can become a very convenient Excuse for doing nothing, but it actually ought to be our reason for doing anything because Ordained to evangelism or not to have comes our reason to do.
In the use of these Appointed means I can go with confidence and I can speak this good news Any man or woman boy or their state Condition that might be and I can do so to evangelize or a break upon our evangelizing Actually is the great with regard to the preaching of the gospel.
Amen. Yes, and of course every Calvinist worth his salt should be reminded or should remember or always be conscience conscious of the fact that not to evangelize is sin your disobeying God when you keep your mouth shut and Would rather enjoy an unbroken friendship with the world around you rather than have them flee from you in anger or.
Or.
Disappointment or even even the fact that they may mock you and think that you're weird or strange or bizarre.
And that goes with the territory Chris as you well know. Cited by what they have they they they cannot didn't they didn't they hear what our Lord said? I mean surely they could have followed it. And then you get to the point where Christ says now go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature and.
Somehow we think that that's the point of furthermore He made reference to a few minutes ago only faithful evangelists have been Calvinists, but it is notable Evangelical kind. Yes, and today it wasn't simply with their Evangelical and evangelistic marriage.
Amen.
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And We have another Question from a listener that actually is a perfect segue to what you were just discussing. This is Chris in Runnels, Iowa. I am convinced that there are many in the church who like I.
Who have a desire? I think there should be like who like me Chris and Runnels, Iowa. Who have a desire to see men and women converted to the gospel of grace? Yet far too often I and others am Certain are uncertain to find ourselves crippled by a sinful fear of man.
Thus preventing ourselves from sharing the gospel as we should does pastor Walker actually. Yes, pastor. What does pastor Walker have any encouragement or rebuke that would stir us to put aside this fear?
But it certainly sounds like this brother's already rebuking himself appropriately. I don't think I need to add anything and in a sense and I think what was the gentleman's name again, Chris.
Chris from Runnels, Iowa.
Okay, so Yeah, Chris, I think as we know it should be done. We want it to be done and yet from doing it and I think particular classicular gift a distinct gift and. And I don't want to take anything away from that because I think again historically Privately and and used in their immediate context and what we tend to do is to therefore this isn't something that I either have the opportunity to do about.
You're not about your qualifications natural charisma. Natural or innate, but we've got with the at one point Launches rotation to give them the fact good news in the place of his making known the person by your in nevertheless.
That the principle remains the same. It's my standing that makes this the God who's good. Amen.
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Welcome back. This is Chris Orns and if you just tuned us in our guest today for the full two hours with about 90 minutes to go Is Jeremy Walker pastor of Maiden Bower Baptist Church of Crawley in West Sussex, England.
He's an author and a blogger at Reformation 21 and the Wanderer. We are addressing one of his books the broken-hearted evangelist. If you'd like to join us on the air with a question, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com ch r i s a r n z e n at gmail .com and Please give us your first name at least Your city and state in your country of residence if you live outside of the USA.
You may remain anonymous if it makes you feel more comfortable if it's about a personal and private matter. And going back To what Chris in Runnels, Iowa asked you. Regarding the fear of men. Is it one of the powerful truths? that we Christians can hold to especially if we have an understanding of unconditional election and the doctrines of Sovereign Grace is that Christ's sheep will hear his voice.
There's no question mark there when we evangelize and we are being mocked. We are being Verbally and perhaps even physically abused that we take it for granted sometimes that When we live in a place of relative peace and safety.
That our brothers and sisters overseas in many areas of the world are actually being tortured and murdered for the faith but We are in relative Safety and tranquility in most of the places where iron sharpens iron has listeners and but whatever we receive from Those who reject the gospel whether it's words of hatred or even being fired from our jobs or Having spouses leave us or having children disown us.
We know that if they are of the elect Whoever is of the elect Christ's sheep will hear his voice and they will come to him and that should give us a Certain sense or a really deep sense of patience. And isn't it true that many of the the greatest missionaries the most patient of missionaries who have stayed in areas overseas for longer periods of time during many years perhaps Where little or no fruit that the eye can see? has been born from missionary evangelist efforts.
They know that every tribe and tongue and people in nation have a remnant who are God's elect and they continue and when they press on Even when it seems from men's standards, they have been a very unsuccessful.
Isn't that one of the truths that that should give us great hope and joy in the midst of evangelism?
It's vital to remember that the promise do that work. In fact the. And I think and yet we give up we Dare that. Well, it all we tell ourselves that it's unusually difficult in the place where we've mentioned even.
But yeah. Even in times and they never faced antagonism was even more intense and it still is today. Simply keep chipping away from where he could and easily the God has done with. You might know the wonderful John and.
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There is an interesting thing about evangelism that not only involves evangelizing the lost Jeremy. But although I think that too many reformed people are preoccupied preoccupied With winning people who are who are already regenerate.
But Arminian they're preoccupied with winning those people to the doctrines of sovereign grace or reformed theology or Calvinism. However, you want to label it? Yeah, although there is too many people doing that perhaps that is still something that is important.
Is it not because truth is truth. We should never be afraid to Explain the truth to our Arminian friends and loved ones and family members. We should be prepared to defend the truth. These truths are not Unimportant they're not something that don't have any impact on evangelism and other important things that the Christians face and the things that are involved in Christian duty, but This is an area that we have to have boldness as well and have broken heart heartedness for those Who have embraced false teaching.
Should we not?
Yeah, I think it in a sense. It's all an expression of a godlike and a Christlike love. That we don't just want to bring I think what you're described properly to the realm of or instruction than evangelism.
And Readily acknowledge that we're not to Christ. We simply encourage someone who is in Christ to part of the doctrines of grace whether it has to do with the doctrine of the. With evangelizing a new faith, which is in Christ Jesus stage.
That's the the change by which they might be about to put their faith to claim that The man of God may be complete mature. You've clearly said persuade other people that that we are right, I know you're not suggesting that that's the case, right?
I think if anything we should be a little and zealous to use that language. That it would be and of course.
Sometimes those distinctions are blurred because you have some Arminians and those who would profess to be our brethren in Christ that are so Man-centered in their understanding of theology in the gospel that you're not even certain when speaking to them if they are truly born again, they have a gospel that is so lopsided in Man-centeredness and the weakness or impotence of God and the strength and power and sovereignty of man.
That you wonder this person. I don't even know if this person saved. I mean obviously in times like that you would have the Evangelism and instruction combined and that would of course go without saying for our Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox friends.
Sure. Absolutely that many times in places and not just with regard to those who are I believe self evidently. Yeah, absolutely look of damning error. But I also think it's worth. There can be a street.
In fact, let's let's pick up right where you left off there when we return from the break and We are going to a break right now. If you'd like to join us on the air our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.
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The banner of truth the United States ministers conference is being held at the Elizabethtown College in Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania and God willing. I will be there as well as Banner of truth has graciously invited me to attend even though I am NOT a pastor I am looking forward to this event very much.
The speakers include such notable folks as Joel Beeky Who is actually the founder of Reformation Heritage Books the publishers of the book we are addressing today the broken-hearted evangelist by our guest Jeremy Walker also, Jeff Thomas Who I've had on this program before William Vanderward Mark Johnston many of you may remember my interviews with March Mark Johnston Jonathan master.
I've also had on this program Carlton Wynn and Ian Hamilton and Their their theme is going to be the living and enduring word. If you'd like to find out more about how you can register For this conference if you are a leader in the church, whether a pastor or deacon or have some other leadership role.
The website is banner of truth org. Banner of truth org click on events and then click on US ministers conference. Of course, if you are like our guest Jeremy Walker and you live in the United Kingdom.
They also have several UK ministers conferences listed that you can attend so you could click on those to find out more about those conferences, so I hope to see you many as many of you as possible at the 2017 US ministers conference in Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania sponsored and held by the banner of truth and We are now Returning to our discussion with Jeremy Walker pastor of Maiden Bower Baptist Church of Crawley in West Sussex England and we are discussing the brokenhearted evangelist.
If you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com Chris Arnzen at gmail .com and before I go to any more listener Questions pastor Jeremy you before the break.
We're discussing something about dead orthodoxy. We were talking about how those who were theologically reformed should not be ashamed or frightened to even seek to open the eyes by God's grace of our brethren in Christ who have aberrant theology or less than biblical theology and we should be Be very bold in proclaiming the doctrines of grace as long as we are not being arrogant about that and being filled with Pride and conceit and so on but you were talking about dead orthodoxy I believe before we went to the break if you could continue.
Thank You Chris.
My my comment there. And that with regard to folk though, they might use the lay people make. That's a matter where we need to preach the gospel to people. Then there are genuine believers with whom we disagree away that there there are people can dot every I and cross every T who can give a Almost if you like an intellect salvation of never themselves.
But their faith in the Lord we need to be gospelers. Why. Even in the who claimed. Not just as a way. Yeah, I love that new.
That new. Which what am I thinking of a new noun? Maybe not be a new noun, but a not commonly heard noun that you just mentioned. Gospel. Er, I don't think that we should be. I know we should all be gospelers and Not be just content and satisfied that we ourselves are saved and have the peace of mind and knowing that.
But if you really have.
A a.
Regenerate heart. You're going to want to see the lost. Come to Christ and share that eternal peace that perfect peace that Shalom. That the blood of Christ can only bring. And if you do not. Want to do that if you're disinterested in doing that or if you're not a gospel.
Er. That is a good sign that you're not even regenerate at all, isn't it?
Absolutely, I think that's part of what it means to grow in the likeness of Jesus Christ a Christ like heart. It will include a genuine be saved.
We have a listener I'm not a hundred percent sure if he's a first-time questioner, but perhaps he can correct me by email. But his name is Charles in Fortville, Indiana. His question is should we break fellowship with seasoned Christians that do not evangelize or?
Leave a confessional church that does not I'm sorry. That does a lot of good things to give to the neighbors with hopes that they come in. But they don't share the gospel in their outreach or they don't teach and encourage evangelism.
I guess he's speaking of people that maybe run soup kitchens and have very wonderful and biblical and God honoring activities that Seek to meet the physical needs of those around them like James and his epistle Commands that we do but they don't teach the gospel.
They just basically running a Soup kitchen and want to feed fill the bellies of those who are lost and be kind to them, but not necessarily actually Take the risk of offending them by giving them the gospel.
But what is your opinion on actually breaking fellowship with individuals or leaving a church that does not evangelize?
That's a Concrete problem for for Charles or for anybody. I would say the fact that To lay to lay these matters to lay your concerns. It's okay Chris to deal with thing. There is a danger end up we've been good.
We've done nice thing. These they should be too easy for us swayed ourselves that we're doing generic. You found this yourself. I Can try and be nice to people and they can be very good at training me to be nice enough to give on go on giving what they would like and And nice enough that they don't want to and I think there is a danger that we do for genuinely minister to people's bodies.
We get into this kind of lap them. We that we Clean those things we don't end up bodies and either because of whenever we're doing though. And then that that people if they're God's people I would I think you'd want to encourage them with there may be some people who are eager to tea as you have Moses wouldn't have been a great deal of use down in the valley with Joshua business down in the valley and Moses is and they're interceded mighty.
Yeah, there may be people there may be people who've not full courage people. I'd say go very unhappy either print any kind think that that's something that needs to be addressed and overcome. There may be but I'd be very slow to reach that conclusion if you're talking about a genuine congregation Responsible reasons.
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We have I believe a I'm almost certain. This is a first-time questioner. Benjamin in Dublin, Ireland. He says forgive my late entrance tuning in. A question I attend a Reformed Presbyterian Fellowship, which is under the care of the denomination as a Reformed Baptist.
Should I be going out on the streets evangelizing when I'm not currently a member of a local church. Very interesting Question because obviously he should be a member of a local church and number two I'm sure Jeremy that this would.
One of the the main factors in his question is what kind of evangelism is he doing. Like for instance, I know a number of Street preachers who I highly regard and and.
Admire.
Who believe that you should not actually be? Having you should not be conducting a street preaching ministry. We are actually in a you know in a Specific vicinity or location setting up as it were a podium and Proclaiming the gospel as a minister of the gospel as an evangelist of the gospel.
He does not believe will the I should say the street preachers. I know and respect do not believe you should be doing that Specifically if you're not a member of a local church, and if you're not doing it with the Encouragement of the Local church who are actually sending you out there or at least agreeing to you're being out there doing that.
There's a difference between that and the kind of public evangelism every Christian should be doing man woman or child when they are spreading the gospel to Every acquaintance or person that they providentially meet.
Those are two different things. But perhaps you could comment on what I said in the question of Benjamin Dublin.
Okay, well, let me begin by saying ends amongst the roof and. Again, perhaps Chris if I can take your your part of the question highly clear. Evangelizing. So the he is sent that he goes back that the God has given to his feet and this is where it begins to tie back into the question that that Benjamin had.
Someone is convert. Limbo is to make disciples. To baptize them and then to teach them all things that he has commanded them and I think that that command in itself Not only implying care of a healthy local member of faith.
And that we don't spring a good relationship are engaged. I think I could some measure. But I would actually say persuaded is been one of the question and perhaps of the oversight of other congregations.
Congregation then go and find a place where it isn't. And I'd wager you can probably do that. Maybe not. That's an exaggeration, but far away. There's Benjamin of Christ under the under the care to the congregation if that's.
Where at this moment we make but I don't think that there are many Christian a Christ known.
Amen, and if I'm not mistaken, it's possible That Benjamin is speaking about a fellowship that I was informed about By a guest of mine that's been on this program a number of times Paul Flynn Who is with Megiddo films? in Dublin and he informed me that there was a fellowship of the Reformed Presbyterian Church in Dublin that is not a Literally a church or a congregation.
He may be talking about the fact that he can't join it because it's not really a church with biblically ordained officers and the ordinances administered and so on so.
A church planting and some judgments, but if it's not yet a sort of a constituted congregation in that formal sense. Then I imagine it is right. And by the way, Benjamin, I didn't mean to be.
I hope I wasn't rude or didn't sound rude when I said you should be a member of a church as if it was Always such an easy thing to do. Because you know, I don't know what your circumstances are where you live you know in regard to the closest of faithful church, but Obviously that is though a duty of every Christian to be a member of a local church and to be subject to the oversight Of elders and so on.
I'm assuming you would agree with that. My brother Jeremy.
Yeah that we want to say many many people find themselves are not ideal and yet at the same time. Yeah, that's as you say there. We find ourselves have to begin with what we've got. I'm confident that say yes to well.
We're going to our final break right now. If anybody would like to join us This is the time to do it. Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. And I know that there are a number of people still waiting to have their questions asked and answered.
So hopefully we'll be able to get to all of you before we run out of time. And if you intend to ask a question do it now, please at Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Don't go away.
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This is Chris Arnzen. If you just tuned us in our guest today for the last 90 minutes in the next half hour to come. Has been and will be Jeremy Walker pastor of Maiden Bower Baptist Church of Crawley in West Sussex, England.
And we are discussing his book the brokenhearted evangelist published by Reformation Heritage Books. If you'd like to join us on the air now is the time to do it because we're running out of time. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.
Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. And we do have. Let's see. We have Joe in Slovenia who says Brother Chris, aren't we supposed to focus on? methodologies tactics presentations styles and all the other strategies that we've inherited from the revivalists who came on the scene toward the end of 2nd Great Awakening.
Who have dominated on this topic up until our present day, of course on being facetious. Please ask brother Jeremy to compare and contrast what he has written with the general mechanical and Programmatic approaches to evangelism that have been prevalent in our churches for decades.
Brother Jeremy.
Well, I I hope it will provide some kind of what he's probably referring to of evangelizing. Fundamentally. Car and long enough and at the right speed. You might for example have things like well, we need the right kind of music.
Maybe something we need somebody who can use the right. Fundamentally didn't end up with time and then the other time and I dedicated myself on that occasion and then I rededicated myself this. What I'm trying to set forth of wise with a righteous without shame.
Well, thank you Joe in Slovenia and thank you for giving us an American address where your daughter lives in Georgia. Where we can mail you the last copy of the book that we have been addressing the broken-hearted evangelist.
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They're free Bibles books and CDs and DVDs and other things that they win by submitting questions and We have Let's see. We have Aaron in Indianapolis, Indiana. Who says thank you for this great yet convicting discussion while I contribute to missionary endeavors.
I am convicted by my lack of evangelism for various reasons yet. I long to see loved ones and Even strangers come to Christ. What are some ways that mr. Walker begins? Conversations to turn them toward giving the gospel.
That Turn them toward giving the gospel that might be helpful.
Think she means what are some of the ways that that pastor Walker begins conversations to turn people Toward receiving the gospel. But anyway, if you could comment.
Yeah, that's that's a great question and I think I think she's put a finger on a particular Challenge, which is that it can actually be easier to speak. We're engaging that kind of witness.
Right.
There may be no negative ramifications to this event to this evangelism.
I'm a see of my living before commend or expose the message Is a challenge but we've labored to ensure our godly from our sides that all under God provide a platform. For that kind of faithful and combat depends on any number of thing Peter taught by God's blessing Might be a means of winning their husbands to Jesus Christ.
And Peter actually says that that it can be done. In that instance such a man would need to hear there is something that is Under those circumstance again from wife and again from what happens when I'm knocking on someone sleep.
Artistic vital, but we like the apart adapt. I don't think that I don't particularly like the language of contextualization. Need to give up. What liberties might I suspend. If you like and it might be a matter of introducing myself.
Message I bring if it's somebody who knows me well, and perhaps it might be a carve one out. It might be building see day by day or week by week. You know, you always go to the same barber you always Gas with petrol at a particular place speak about the Lord Christ.
Perhaps you have a chance that you are genuine and then an opportunity to explain why that's the case. Any number of but you know prayerfully and carefully think. I think that would be find someone who's good at it and learn from them either or and In the best sense imitate them as they will thank you Aaron for the very good question.
Keep spreading the word about iron sharpens iron radio in Indianapolis and beyond. We have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York who says please forgive me. I Did not hear the earlier part of the program, but I was wondering if you could really define Specifically with detail what you mean by broken heartedness.
Yeah, that's a that's a good question. I try and do that at some length in in the book as a whole.
The.
The root of that language comes the example out of which I've developed this material which is David who's crying out to God Creating me a clean heart or God and renew it steadfast away from your presence and do not take your Holy Spirit from me Salvation and uphold that then I will teach transgressors your ways and sinners shall be Converted to yarm.
David goes on to speak as he writes these words. And my point that that he and that that is in which we stand in order to make Christ known. Amen, and we have BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania.
Who says I love the title of the book the broken-hearted evangelist. But do you not think that many in our day perhaps especially from the non reformed camps of Christianity? Manipulate or seek to manipulate the emotions of those who are hearing their message.
And they manufacture their own broken heartedness and have a fake Emotionalism that is their means to which to draw people to Christ.
Yeah, that that's certainly a danger. Talks about a man who's who had written in the margin of his sermon week here.
That.
That's abominable of the gospel to others that that shouldn't be whipped, you know. It's not a matter of you know, wrapping onions in your handkerchief and dabbing your eyes. Night and day three years as evangelists taken up with it our emotions.
The Manipulation. Well, I definitely want to have you back to continue this theme.
In fact If you could stay on the phone just for a minute after the show is over so I could reschedule you or should I say? Schedule you For your next interview if you are interested in that. I'd really like to go through what appears to be the litmus tests of Broken heartedness in your book which are.
Am I willing am I effective? Am I committed? Am I focused and am I fruitful? I think that this would be very valuable if we have you return to discuss those very chapter headings in your book. But before we run out of time here I would like to have you to have three or four minutes of uninterrupted time To summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today.
Jeremy it's to come back Chris God willing and to try and look at some of those things in terms of a Parting shot as it were. I think I might go back and find evangelistic preaching.
Then.
Translated sermons of John Calvin you will you proper marriage between true knowledge of God providing the Environment in which up to God and all his mass and beauty and then we look at ourselves and emptiness.
It's in that space between by God's revelation and that's not just see our need of a safeguard to our to our Life as believers and our labor as Christians, and I think it's in evangelizing ought to begin and to continue in the best sense to go and make his name known among the nations of That salvation and then our delight in that salvation and then our desire to make that salvation known by seeing courage Compelled and knowing patient by Jesus Christ Dissipation in his own time in his own way by his appointed means.
Amen, and if anybody living in the UK or visiting the UK would like to visit the church where pastor Jeremy pastors go to the website of Maiden Bower Baptist Church to find out more information. M a bach .org.
M a b a ch org. Oh, you could a trick to remember. It would be as if Johan Sebastian Bach was a lip was living in, Massachusetts so ma Bach ma bach .org. Anybody wanting to look for books that have been written by Jeremy Walker go to CV bbs .com CV for Cumberland Valley bbs .com.
I hope you all always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner. We look forward to hearing from you tomorrow on iron sharpens iron radio.