Pursuing the Enemy with CrossPolitic and Delano Squires

Well, greetings and welcome to The Dividing Line. You're not going to believe. You need to understand, the authorities in Moscow, Idaho, they have particular priorities. And right now, their priority is to protect any tree, any light pole, and any telephone pole from stray stickers that might, in some way, be construed as insulting toward the city council.

And therefore, they are allowing dangerous people in and out of the city. And in this case, out of the city, because the entire cross-politic crew escaped from Moscow and have landed in Phoenix. And they're here in the big studio.

With a plus one. With plus one, that's right. I mean, they figured they weren't big enough. So they had to bring Delano in, just simply to sort of add to the gravitas, as we learned many, many years ago.

But hey, guys. What in the world are you guys doing in my studio? What's going on here?

Well, there are some other orders that came in that we got from Moscow. And it said, protect James White at all costs. And so. From what? Well, we'll talk about that after the show.

I haven't put any stickers on any telephone poles. We'll talk about that after the show. Yeah, WHO. Oh, yeah, yeah. We do need help from that. It's all up to you. No, you guys are cross-politic liberty tools of liberty.

The five stones of true freedom. Why did you have to do five stones? Because that's, you know, people like five points of Calvinism and stuff like that. Or, you know. We're Presbyterians. I mean, that should answer your question.

Yeah, but five, you know, I mean. We almost did five C's. Oh, OK. Five tools instead. OK, cool. So is this the beginning or the end of your tour? This is the last stop.

We actually started in Texas in March, and then we went to Rapid City in April, and then now Phoenix here and everything. So it's been a fun little tour that we've tried to kind of put together. And we thought last year we did a conference in Rapid City.

And instead of doing a conference in the springtime, we decided to do a tour once a month and everything. So that's what we ended up having.

It's been pretty cool. So James, you're too big and popular to understand how this works. You've been doing this for years.

No, no, no. Everyone's afraid to have me do anything for them. So I just sort of, well, except you guys. You guys are the only people left that will actually go, yeah, we'll survive it. We've got Doug.

How can we get damaged anymore than having Doug? Because he's constantly poking people in the eye with sticks and stuff like that. So you know, you're the only guys that'll do that. But you even put up with my daughter.

Oh, we love you guys. That's the only reason you guys put up with me. Well, that's true. She made you comfortable. Yeah, that's right. It's easy to absorb, you know.

She's like, you know. I'm just, I'm now just Summer's dad. So and I'm good with that. She was the Dr. Pepper. You were the Scotch. So that's what we call a gay-bism.

And eventually, Rich added that.

I've sat next to him a couple of times now. And it's always sort of scary. I'm always sort of sitting there going, what is that? Just smiling on. That's what I try to do every time I'm up there.

But part of our plan with the tour has kind of been, you know, right now, we started doing conferences in 2020 right with the shutdown. That's a good time.

God thought it was perfect. Well, I mean, we had, I think we were probably the only in-person, mask-free conference in 2020. Outside of the beginning of January. And we had almost 1 ,000 people there for our first conference in an indoor soccer arena.

Because we'd gotten kicked out of our other conference building three weeks before. And the only building that would take us. I told the other building, I said, we'll pay your $1 ,000 fine a day. And they said, no, we can't do it.

So I had to find a building that would take us. And we got this indoor soccer arena in 2020.

But yeah, no, no. So the whole, when we did that, it was like, OK, that's great. We can bring everybody to one spot. But we started seeing that there was, I have a friend named Darren Doan. He's like, people don't want to do the punk rock thing.

They don't want to play at all the small arenas. They want to play at all the back, wherever you can. Play in the alley, right? I'll play in the alley. I'll play in your backyard. I'll play everywhere.

It was always the same thing with hip hop. OK, I can't sell my tapes here at the store? OK, well, then I'll go inside of the Target parking lot. Yeah, with the truck of my car. Tapes, at that time, it was tapes.

Yeah, so it was these things. A-Trap? I remember. You know what I mean. I still have my John Denver Christmas. A-Trap.

You know what a tape is. So it's just basically doing that. OK, so instead of just doing one big conference at the end of the year, or maybe a summer conference and a winter conference, how about we just go and do the punk rock thing and play as many small places as we possibly can to help build the culture that's there, and help equip people there, and edify people in smaller places, and fellowship there.

Yeah, so the conference was pretty unique, what we do. But probably one of the few Christian conferences that have beer and alcohol there, and are fine for a play area with kids in the middle of the conference area.

And you tried to project over the sound of the kids in the middle of it. Believe me, I know how that works. And we sprinkle a little water. Oh, yeah, right, yeah. They've got a little mist system, and you figure, we've got it, we've got it.

Quick, quick. Before James gets here and dries them off.

But we know better. So that's what the tour has been, is to try and do smaller places, tighter groups of people, more fellowship, more engagement with, instead of just being one time at the end of the year.

It's interesting, because I hadn't thought about that, but that's a little bit like what I've been doing with my traveling, is one of the reasons that I'm doing it the way that I'm doing it, is I get to get into much smaller contexts where you can actually sit down, talk to people, and meet with the elders in a church.

And the stories that you hear. That you don't get to hear otherwise. I mean, I was in, I'll tell you one story. I was in a little church somewhere in Montana. It was on the way to you guys last July. It was for Grace Agenda.

Oh, yeah. August, so July, you were. Right, right, right. So I was coming up from Colorado, and I went up through Montana, and I did the up and down to Moscow route. And I'm in a little church. It's got a heat wave going, remember?

Remember how warm it was? It was cooking. It was really cooking. Just trying to be Arizona. It was attempting, and not doing a good job at it. And smoky at the same time. Y 'all were burning everything.

Anyways, I'm speaking at a church. They don't have air A .C. It's, you know, everyone's just doing this thing. Afterwards, this woman comes up to me, and we sit down in the front pew, and she starts telling me a story about her son, who had, I won't go into all the details, because I want to identify people, but to make a long story short, her son had been deeply influenced by Alpha Omega Ministries, Apologia, so on and so forth, in a foreign country, had been brought to the Lord through our ministry in another country.

And when she mentioned to him that I was going to be speaking, you've got to go, you've got to go see it. So here's a mom of someone I've never even met, that the Lord used our ministry to, in this person's life.

How often do you get a chance to actually, you know, talk with people like that, and find out, you know, in the middle of Montana, something. And so, you know, a lot of people are like, well, yeah, but you know, you flew 165 ,000 miles in 2019.

You taught in Samara, Russia, and Durban, South Africa, and I will miss my overseas friends if what I'm thinking is coming, is coming. But at the same time, what we're trying to do is, while we have the opportunity here, and who knows, we've got $10 gas coming pretty soon.

You're pulling a fifth wheel, you don't get really good gas mileage. And, but, you know, that's, the idea is to see people face-to-face. It's one thing to have that person, I think I see that person I know real well down there at the podium, I'm not really sure.

It's totally different to sit down and break bread, and do that kind of thing. And so we have this little map where churches have written in, and they've said, hey, if you're traveling, it's a Tuesday night, and you're traveling through, and you've got time to spend an hour and a half with us.

We'll have you. We'll have you. We'll throw something together, and you can be dressed like this because you have been driving all day, and, you know, you've got to get up the next morning and keep going and stuff.

We get it, and that's how we've been doing it. That's great. And it's Underground railroad, that's what you're paving. It's sort of, it's really, I'm really, really enjoying it because I've never wanted to be the, you know, I've spoken at some large conferences, but you'll notice there are a number of large conferences I've never spoken at.

Because Or been invited back to. Exactly, exactly. You know, you're exactly right. And there are reasons for that. Really? Let's hear them. I hang with people like you, first of all. That's the main one.

Why didn't you just give us the you people treatment?

People like us? Yeah, like See how it feels now? Now you're starting to see how it feels, right? Yeah, you know. Presbyterians? No.

I hate to tell you this, but there are some Presbyterians that aren't very happy with you all either, so. I've heard. Yeah, yeah. No, no. I think what I do scares people. They see the debates, and they see debates in mosques.

Situations like that, and they figure this guy's going into some really strange places, and I'm not really sure we necessarily wanna have that kind of thing in our context, you know? And so, but then I also, I don't fit into any, I don't fit into any box real neatly anymore, to be honest with you.

My own, right now, I'll be straight up front, my own people, many of them are wishing that I would go away, that you all would just adopt me, and I would never be heard of again. We're trying. We're trying.

Honestly. And in fact, has the sweater vest dialogue that Doug and I did called Doubting Thomas come out yet? Because I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. I haven't heard from Jake or anything like that.

I'm not sure. But when I was up there a few weeks ago, Doug and I recorded a sweater vest dialogue. Have you seen any of the sweater vest dialogues that Doug and I did? I've seen one of them. Yeah, yeah.

Don't ask us how we got the sweater vest thing going. Because when we did that in July here in Phoenix, that's just pure torture. But we did one on Thomism, the rise of Thomism right now, in a lot of Reformed circles.

You guys in Presbyterian, on the Presbyterian side, and on the Reformed Baptist side. And a fundamental pushback against presuppositionalism. There are a lot of people who last year would have said, oh yeah, Ant Hill, yay.

They're now going, oh no, Aquinas, Ant Hill, bad. And they're calling themselves former Vantillians and former presuppositionalists. Post-Vantillian? Post-Vantillian, yeah. There's a lot of strange stuff going on.

And so I just don't really fit in real well almost any place. And what's interesting though, and you guys know this, I can have relationships with people that we have disagreements over. I mean, Doug has literally not debated anyone as often as he's debated me.

In written and live form. And yet I love the guy. And if you had happened to bomb the taco time. In Moscow. In Moscow a few weeks ago, there's Doug and I sitting there, chowing down on our crisp meat burritos, just having a grand old time.

And people don't, I think that scares some people. Because they've heard things about somebody. Sadly, because of social media, we judge people based upon what we've heard about them, rather than what they've actually said or done, or the decades of life and ministry that they've put together, the consistency of their life, anything like that.

I think this testifies to the soft Christianity that we're being curated in. No one wants to, iron sharpens iron. No one wants that iron rubbing against iron. No one wants the hard faith.

No one wants the hard review. But this is where people struggle to find a balance, because you've got that. You need to have the iron sharpens iron. You need to have the ability to be around others who have different perspectives, so you can learn, they can learn.

Maybe you're both wrong, and there's another direction you need to go in a certain area, a certain understanding. But then on the other side, we've got so much compromise. And people just chucking the gospel under the bus.

Where's the balance point? Where's the balance point? And they'll watch you guys, and you guys will be going after a certain topic when you went after the PCA guy. Greg Johnson. Yeah, what was that, two and a half, three years ago?

Yeah, right at the beginning. You know where I listened to you guys doing that? I don't remember. I was doing.

I was doing. I can't believe we remember this, factoid.

Well, you know why? Because I remember exactly which hotel I was in, in London. And so I'm listening in another context. It's interesting. It's interesting because you think of Moscow and United States, but you translate what you guys were saying to London.

And you need to understand the people in London are looking at you guys like, we could never have them say a word here because of the cultural explosion that would result from the boldness of our speech or just the plainness of our speech.

And so traveling has helped with that. And there's only certain churches overseas that would have me in because of that very reason, because there's a fear that you're gonna say stuff that you just need to understand in our culture.

We can't say those things. We can't talk about that kind of stuff. And so we wonder about Christianity in Finland or in Germany or in France and places like that. And we wonder why isn't there more bold witness?

And then you get there and you start realizing what the contexts are. But the thing that's exciting is a lot of those folks, they're listening to us. They're listening, they're listening to you. They're listening to politics.

They're listening to us. They're listening to Doug. They're listening to Paul Giotto's videos. And they're hearing and they're going, man, that's right. And then they're left with the tough job of going, and how do I communicate that within the context I'm in in a completely different culture?

We don't know how good we really have it. Let's be honest. Even despite everything that's going on, we still don't have to run anywhere near the filter that people in the United Kingdom do. I mean, I've been on the unbelievable radio broadcast of Justin Briarley in London, I don't know, 16 times.

And I know Justin is always, his blood pressure, a little elevated. I remember once we were doing a King James only show and it was only he and I in studio and then the King James only guy was on the phone.

And the look on Justin's face was, please, please, don't. I know you could absolutely obliterate this guy, but please, for my sake. And I'm like, okay, okay, yeah. It's not a situation where there needs to be obliteration.

I get it, I understand. But still there is that cultural aspect. And so in a sense today, you've got, I've got, you've got, all of us who have a platform, have responsibility to be thinking through, I need to be faithful in saying what I need to say, but we're not just being heard by fellow Americans.

We're being heard in a much wider context.

We noticed that when we were first starting and y 'all started tracking where people were. Australia, Indonesia. Listening to us, and there was somebody in Turkey for a little while. We were like, who's in Turkey listening to us?

And then yeah, in the UK, a number of people in Australia and New Zealand.

Well, that's what's been so amazing about like podcasting in a lot of ways. It's like the Gutenberg Press 2 .0. It is. And where we can record in our little piano shop studios where we started off at was above a piano shop.

And we can record in this, you know, remodeled room above a piano shop. And that audio is getting to Indonesia, Australia, all those places. And God, in God's kindness is Is using it.

And sometimes I had this guy walk up to me in Las Vegas. And again, this is one of those situations where I'm traveling through. That's how I'm gonna get where I'm going. And so we just set up a thing with a relatively small church.

Got to know the elders there. They're young guys. They're listening to you. They're listening to Doug. They're listening to me. We're really helping these folks. This guy comes up to me out of the blue and he's a young guy.

And he says, I have been listening to you my entire life. Now, when you get my age, you start hearing this more and more, you know. He says, I've learned so much from you. I listened to your entire sermon series on Hebrew.

And I did that a number of years ago. I did 85 sermons on Hebrew. He's from Uganda. Wow, wow. And he wasn't the only one there. So there are churches in Uganda that are so looking for that kind of stuff that we've been, that's why we know the people on the other side want to get total control of the net and of the ability to communicate because they know as long as we have the ability to get it out there, they can't stop it.

You know, Doc, it's really interesting.

When you talk about us and Apologia and kind of the boldness we have here in America. It's funny because our opponents don't have to be or are not as chill. They are bold. They are in your face. And they are screaming.

And so we come back with some pushback and all the people who are on the conservative or the Christian side are kind of like. And it's like, wait a second. They just took a knife, slit your throat, stabbed you in the heart a few times, laughed over your body and peed on you.

Okay, and you're mad that we're seeing this.

And you said, wait, wait, wait, what are you doing? Right, right. Yeah. Is that really Christ-like?

What just happened here? You know, you're like, okay, let's help the guy out. Let's try to give some aid and stop the situation and solve the problem. And then the people who should be with us gathered around to say, okay, that was wrong.

That shouldn't have been done. Prosecute that person. Are afraid of presenting the standard in that situation. And it's like, you know, we're not radical. You know, we're not radical. We're just responding to what has happened.

It's a weird position to be in.

Right. I always think of, I bring this up from time to time, but the book of Acts just is, I think, a standing rebuke to a lot of what modern Christianity looks like. But you have, by my count, 14 public disturbances in the book of Acts.

One after another. Including stonings. Just in passing. That might be included. Minor and major. Yeah, 14 public disturbances. And in 13 of the 14, it's like Luke anticipates our response, which is like, oh no.

What's the headline gonna be? Moscow man convicted of putting stickers on poles. And the modern evangelical impulse of, oh, it's gonna be bad for our witness. In 13 of those 14 instances, Luke follows up with, and 3 ,000 were baptized.

And the believers were greatly encouraged. Many leading women of the city believed. And it's like, 13 of the 14 times, and it's like Luke's saying, look, this is how the gospel goes forth. This is how you win.

Is the gospel collides with unbelief. There's a public disturbance. And Paul's like one of those guys where it's like, there's gonna be a mob. And Paul's like, you promise? You mean there's gonna be a huge crowd?

Where? Right there. Can I preach? Hold on, I know you're gonna take me back to jail, but can I preach to them for just a minute? What Christians need to think of this as, when somebody gets knocked down, that's the point at which then you love your enemy.

That's the point at which you tell the truth. You preach the gospel, and it's not cringe, wince, oh no, there's been conflict. I mean, that's the very moment which the gospel shines. No twice about it.

But we have that opportunity now, and in so many different ways. Oh my goodness, I remember years ago, I started giving the phrase, when I ever hear a young person say, I'm bored, my response to them all was always, I haven't been bored since 1978.

There is no reason to be bored in this world as a Christian. You have so much that you can and should be doing, and you can always tell the people in your church. We all know, you guys are involved in church leadership.

The people that do the most are gonna be the people that you have to invest the least time into, and the people that you have to invest the least time into are gonna be the people who complain and whine the most and aren't actually getting anything accomplished.

Anyways, that's just how it works in church. And so the people that are active and are serving, and they don't need you to be chasing them around, giving them a pat on the back constantly, they're the people that just make your life wonderful and worthwhile.

And it's the other folks that end up spending, sucking 20 hours out of your day. But anyway, the point being, there's so much, no matter what your gifting is. I mean, not everyone's gifted to do apologetics or debates or cultural commentary or whatever.

But yesterday, I happened to pop by Summer's house. She had asked me, we have a homeschool thing right over here in the courtyard over here. I mean, homeschooling has exploded so fast recently that there's now a whole place over here where they make homeschooling materials available.

We used to, it used to be just me and Rich's vehicles in the parking lot. And now And the car thieves. And the car thieves, yeah. And It was underground. But now, all those cars out there, pretty much just people with the homeschool stuff.

Interesting. She had asked me, do you have, could you go over and find out if they have this? And so I went over and got what she needed. So I popped by, she was doing her book club thing with Sheologian.

And I just think of, she's homeschooling, she's doing all this kind of stuff. We can be so active every single day in building the kingdom, and it doesn't have to be the super fancy stuff. It's raising up those kids and giving them the foundation.

But they need to know. So you guys have, let's, I wanted to read this. You guys have a completely mispronounced Greek name school up in Moscow, which I Logos. I absolutely refuse to mispronounce. Logos.

Logos. Yeah, believe me, that's a slight mispronunciation. Those are two Omicrons. They cannot be pronounced in different ways. It has to be the Logos or Logos. But anyway, I'll probably never be allowed to preach there again.

Y 'all can continue to use our school, but he can't preach it.

I've already done that. We're not Baptists, we're Presbyterians. We're way more open. Anyway.

We have a show called CrossPolitik. I mean, you know, it's like, we make up, we like to make up our own words, or say our words the way we want to say them, you know? So Logos.

German would be, if you know anything about German, any of you guys speak any German? Germans love to make new words by just simply cramming all sorts of pre-existing words together into one really, really, really, really big, long, paragraph-sized word.

And that's a lot of fun to do. Anyway, in the news right now is, this morning, Al Mohler talked about this because it's in Louisville, Kentucky. I had seen this on the news, I don't know, a couple days ago, maybe Monday.

A Christian school, and it's a Christian school that is very clear and open about being a Christian school. So in other words, you have to sign stuff that, here's a statement of faith, and here's what's expected of the students.

This is what we believe about human sexuality and marriage. I mean, it's not like they're hiding any of this stuff or left it confusing or anything like that. They're very, very open about it. In a middle school, so I guess this would be like 7th, 8th grade, somewhere around there, here's the assignment.

It's a screenshot of the assignment, okay? This is Worldview's essay on what are humans unit. So it's discussing, what are human beings? What's humanity? Here's the essay. Write a letter to a friend of your same gender who is struggling with homosexuality.

Assume that you have known this friend since kindergarten, and you go to the same church, and that you have been pretty good friends over the years until now. This friend is your same age. The aim of your letter should be to lovingly and compassionately speak true to the person you're talking to in a way that does not approve of any sin.

Instead, now in all caps, try to persuade them of the goodness of God's design for them. In at least eight sentences, that's really short, try to show, authors go, eight sentences, that's not even an introduction.

In at least eight sentences, try to show the friend from the Bible reason and your personal friendship, and then there's three sub points, that God's design for them is good, that homosexuality will not bring them satisfaction, and that you love them even though you don't approve of their lifestyle.

Now, I'll be honest with you, whoever wrote this up covered all their bases. They really did. How do you criticize that? But the explosion. They will find a way. Oh, they have. Just trying to find, because I wanted to find the actual thing.

I mean, I have Moeller's discussion of it, which had most of that stuff in there, but I wanted to find the actual assignment, and I had to weed through story after story after story of astonishing detestation of the fact that anyone could ever even think to ask someone to do something like this, part of it being because someone, who knows who, has claimed that they have a student in the class that has been bothered, that has been troubled by this assignment.

Is there nothing else at that school that they're troubled by? There has to be a whole lot going on there, and we all know it, but the amazing cultural response is truly astonishing, because I'm old enough to go, when I was in school, it would have been the exact opposite.

That is, if anybody had done the reverse of this and had tried to do something positive about homosexuality in the public schools, I was not Christian in school. What year was that? Sorry, I'm just. Well, I would have started middle school in 1975.

Okay. Okay. And so, I come out of a fundamentalist background, but it was a fundamentalist background where you bought into the myth of neutrality, so there was no concept of the conflict between the Christian worldview and the state.

The state was a neutral actor that would never bother us about anything, so you never even thought along those lines at all. And you had a complete division. You had your secular life and how you thought about things over there, and then your Christian life and how you thought about things over there, and the two didn't really meet.

Okay, so. There's two things I appreciate about this assignment. One is that it's a good way to clean house. It sounds like there was a kid that was bothered about the assignment in the school, and so that's a good way to kind of.

I'm not sure that's what they were looking for. It worked that way. Yeah, and this could identify some people that you might need to minister to a little more. Yeah, true. In other words, and secondly, I mean, what a great assignment for the kids to understand and not see that reaction.

They should bring all that reaction that happened in the world into that classroom. They should. Because they need to see there's no argument happening. It's just screaming. It's just screaming, and it goes back to that.

The leftists are allowed to throw down, feel, stab, and pee on people, but the conservatives aren't. But we're not trying to either. And to show these eighth graders, hey, this is what it means to follow Jesus, and this is how the world responds is irrational, and that's a great assignment given the context of what's going on.

I think almost every Christian school in the states should glom onto this immediately and go, okay, this is what we're facing. This is what's coming for us. There's nowhere to hide from this.

And pastors should know what they're gonna be preaching on next Sunday. They should see this and be like, okay, I know what the Lord has given me to preach on this Sunday.

Honestly, that assignment probably should go to some pastors, because I'm not sure. Not the eighth graders. You wanna know their answer. But to your point, a couple things that come to mind immediately.

One, I think that is an excellent exercise in apologetics for kids that age. As I said, there are a lot of self-professed believers who could not answer that in eight sentences. The other thing I'll say is this.

If the government schools and the secular schools were as open with respect to their theology as that Christian school is with theirs, we may be in a very different place, because if those schools put in their statement of faith, we believe that there are multiple genders.

None of us can say how many specifically, but definitely more than two. We believe in sexual fluidity. We believe in so on. Just go down the line and then tell parents, sign off on it. Then you would have a lot fewer parents up in arms.

That's one. And as you said, it would allow a lot of parents to do the same thing that you were saying, which is say, you know what? This does not conform to my worldview, even if they're not Christian.

I don't want my third grader, fourth grader, eighth grader being indoctrinated into this particular lifestyle. Again, if you get school leadership, say it's 10 people, and you ask them, how many genders are there?

Put it on your slip, fold it up, and put it in. You don't get 10 different answers. So I think one of the reasons that you see so many parents pushing back is because what the world has been doing, what the government schools have been doing, and even some private schools, is they've been operating in darkness and in secret.

And when it comes to light, this is the reaction that we're getting. So I would appreciate it more if they just said, look, this is what we believe. You know, your kid will be read to by a drag queen at some point in the next three years.

And if you're down with it, sign here.

Well, how many public school homework assignments have we seen in the last year or two? There's an assignment I think came out of Canada, one of the public schools out of Canada, where it was a homework assignment telling a third grader to go home and basically masturbate.

Experience yourself. It was a homework assignment, writing it down, detailing, you know, that kind of stuff. And of course, all the gender fluidity homework assignments that come out, and they're freaking out about this?

Right.

Well, they're freaking out about this because they believe that realm of quote-unquote public education is the temple from which they're producing their next crop of priests. That's right. And that's why it lives of TikTok.

You know, all they do is just simply reproduce what these people are actually saying. In their own mouth. With their own mouth. And I don't know about you, but I try to avoid any libs of TikTok material before about noon each day.

Because that's pretty much the end of the day. It's just like, oh, of course. No, how can this possibly be? I mean, again, I'm the old guy at the table, and I think back to my grandmother. There is no way on earth she could ever, ever, ever have imagined this nation doing the things.

You never even thought about this stuff. It never even crossed my mind.

But unfortunately, though, I mean, you go back to the neutrality point that you made earlier. I mean, that's part of the problem, though, is that for decades, you had piles of Christians who thought it was possible to be neutral.

They weren't neutral even then. I mean, we started talking about statement of faith for government schools. I mean, decades before the sexuality stuff went nuts, the statement of faith would have said something like, we believe that everything that came into being came into being by accident, random chance, through violence, survival of the fittest, which means anything can become anything.

And if you kill and crush and destroy, probably that means you're winning. I mean, the worldview of Darwinism was accepted in government schools decades before, even while everyone was still tucking their shirts in and maybe even saying prayers at public school, the worldview had shifted.

And I mean, when you accept Darwinism into your heart, I mean, you already lost. You already lost the whole thing. And it's a direct consequent of that to say, of course there can be as many genders as you want.

Why are you gonna say there's only two?

You fake it? Totally. Didn't you see that beautiful guitar duet by the Bio Logos guys yesterday? It was Francis Collins and Phil Vichert. Veggie Joe, Veggie. No. It was horrible. Oh no. You haven't seen this?

Oh, I, it was Can you pull it up? I don't think I'm allowed to. I'm not saying Eldridge said, can you do an angel in front of me? Then you wouldn't be a video.

But it was all about how, you know, God has a brain and, you know, we, the Bible's not, the faith and science go together. You just have to read more Bio Logos.