March 12, 2019 Show with Coleen Sharp on “Using the Gifts of Women in the Church Without Violating Biblical Roles (The God-Breathed Boundaries of Complementarianism)”

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I'm thrilled to have back for a second interview Colleen Sharp, who is producer and co-host of the podcast known as Theology Gals. And we are going to be addressing today, using the gifts of women in the church without violating biblical roles, the God-breathed boundaries of complementarianism.

We're also going to be announcing the upcoming conference where Colleen is featured on the roster of speakers on the theme, Sanctification Through Suffering, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Colleen Sharp.

Thanks for having me again, Chris. I appreciate it.

Oh, it's my pleasure. And for those of our listeners who missed you the last time, or they're not familiar with your podcast, why don't you tell our listeners about Theology Gals?

So, Theology Gals is a podcast on Reformed theology for women, and it's our goal to encourage women in the study of God's Word, sound theology, and discernment. And so we release an episode every week, sometimes more theological topics, and sometimes we'll do things that are happening in the church or practical topics, specifically for women.

So we do several different things on Theology Gals. And then we also have a Facebook group with over 4 ,500 women where we discuss theology and all sorts of things.

I don't know why this keeps popping in my head, but ever since I heard the name Theology Gals, I keep thinking, and this may annoy you, but I keep thinking in the back of my head, Theology Gals, won't you come out tonight?

Come out tonight. Come out. Maybe that should be the new theme song for Theology Gals.

Well, we don't have a podcast on yet, so.

You don't have a podcast on? I'm not sure what you mean.

No, we don't have a song yet.

Oh, a song. Okay, well, there's my suggestion, Theology Gals, won't you come out tonight? Come out tonight. And dance in the light of the moon. Anyway. Well, also, before we get into the theme, Using the Gifts of Women in the Church Without Violating Biblical Roles, the God-Breathed Boundaries of Complementarianism, tell us about this upcoming conference, which is actually this Friday and Saturday in Freehold, New Jersey, Sanctification Through Suffering.

Tell us about that.

So, it's in Freehold, New Jersey, like you said, and we have several speakers, Justin Peters, who anyone who's heard him knows that he's just amazing, and Frank Mollis will be speaking also, and then a local pastor.

And then during the breakout sessions, I will be doing a message for women in one of the breakout sessions.

Great. And we will be repeating this, but if anybody wants to attend this conference in Freehold, New Jersey, get the information from strivingforeternity .org, strivingforeternity .org, and all the details will be there.

And for those of you who aren't going to look that up, I'll just tell you it's going to be at the Chinese American Bible Church on 65 Gibson Place in Freehold, New Jersey. That's the Chinese American Bible Church, 65 Gibson Place, Freehold, New Jersey, and it will not be in the Chinese language.

They are just using the facilities of the Chinese American Bible Church to have that conference this Friday and Saturday, March 15th and 16th. Also, our listeners should know that tomorrow, Wednesday the 13th of January, my guest will be Justin Peters, who Colleen just mentioned.

And then on Thursday the 14th, for the first hour, Joe Swozo, another speaker on the roster at the Sanctification Through Suffering Conference, he will be my guest. And so I hope that you make it a point to listen in also tomorrow and Thursday, and make it a point to attend the conference in Freehold, New Jersey, if at all possible.

Theology Gals, Women in Theology, and the Call to Study God's Word

Well, the theme at hand, using the gifts of women in the church without violating biblical rules, first of all, when did you begin to realize that you had the passion, the fascination, the interest, the drive, and you believe, the talents to make yourself more public as a sister in Christ in the media, trying to assist other women in Christ, especially in their daily walk with Christ?

When did you realize, hey, I think that the Lord might be calling me to do something above and beyond just what your average Christian might be doing, and there's nothing wrong with what your average Christian is doing, because that's what most Christians do, is they attend worship, they are blessed and edified and educated by the preaching and teaching, hopefully, that is, where they are going, and, of course, involved in private study and involved in personal acts of mercy and grace towards their fellow mankind.

But you really believed that you should go forward in a more public role, and tell us about how that came to be.

So, well, let me back up and just talk about my passion for theology and the hope of being used in the lives of women. You know, back when I was a teenager, I had older women in my life that really invested in my life, and continue to have that as I grew older.

Then when I was in my, I think, early 30s, a lady that had really invested in my life and been an older woman to me, as we see Scripture encourages, she said, you know, you are the older woman now to younger women.

You know, you're the older woman to 20-something-year-olds and teenage girls. And so, really, most of what I did was just in the local church in my everyday life. And I never, ever considered doing anything public like a podcast.

And just through, really, God's sovereignty, that some gentleman asked me if I'd be willing to do a podcast. And, you know, through prayer and finding a co-host and seeking counsel, found myself doing it.

But it wasn't something I'd ever considered before. So it really was the Lord's sovereignty. But I've had, for so long, a passion for women. And if you go into a Christian bookstore and you look at the selection for women, it's not great.

And there really is a lack of discernment, not just with women, a lot of times with men too. But there's a lack of discernment with a lot of women. The most popular book for women last year was a book called Girl, Wash Your Face.

And it's an awful book. It shouldn't even be considered Christian. But it is the most popular book for Christian women last year, used in Bible studies. It has a false gospel in it. It's full of law of attraction.

And, you know, that's what we're up against. And I've just always had a passion for encouraging women in the study of God's Word, in studying theology. So I think sometimes women are maybe overwhelmed by the thought of studying theology.

They think it will be too difficult. And, you know, I really want women to know that we should all be theologians as Christians. We should all be studying theology. So I've had the passion for a long time.

And just through the Lord's sovereignty, I ended up doing the podcast.

Well, you know, I don't want to steal too much thunder from a listener who has already written in a question about the very book that you just mentioned. And just keep in mind, the microphone here is very sensitive.

So try to remain as still as possible while you're doing the interview. There's a lot of background noise coming in on occasion. But anyway, we have Susan in Setauket, Long Island, New York, who says, I listened to your podcast that discussed self-help guru Rachel Hollis' book, Girl, Go Wash Your Face.

I have long mistrusted and opposed such easy believism, and I totally agree with your perspective on that popular book. That being said, I wanted to ask you all why do you think that this type of drivel is still marketed exclusively towards women?

It is the type of material that is so often incorporated into ladies' Bible study groups, whereas men's Bible study has far meatier theological subject matter to discuss regularly. I want it as a pastor...

Wait a minute. I want it as a pastor... I think she's missing some words here. I want it as a pastor why this is so... Well, maybe she thinks you're a pastor. Our guest is not a pastor, Susan, in Setauket, Long Island.

But anyway, I want it as a pastor why this is so, and his... Oh, I see what she's saying here. I think she meant to say, I wanted to ask a pastor, or I asked a pastor. I asked a pastor, I'll just fill in that word, why this is so, and his answer was that men have different issues than women.

Not much of an answer. What are your thoughts? Thanks. And this is Susan from Setauket, Long Island, New York. Okay, sorry for butchering up your question there, Susan. But there was a couple of words missing.

But anyway, yeah, so do you understand her question the way I mumbled and fumbled with it?

I think I do. I think she's asking why this tends to be such an issue for women's Bible studies. And I think the pastor that she asked was right, that men have their issues, too. I remember when the book The Shack came out, and that's another horrible book, and a lot of the men that my husband works with, the Christian men that my husband works with, were reading that book.

And, in fact, one of them came to him and said, and we didn't know anything, it was brand new out, the book, and one of them came to him and asked my husband, can you read this and tell me if this is a sound book?

And he read it and explained to some of his co-workers. So I think men and women, too, we still see bad theology among some men. But I'll speak specifically to women. I think there are so many different reasons why I think we tend to, if you go to women's Bible study, we want to talk about some of the practical stuff.

And so I think we tend towards some of those things that are going to make us feel good and motivate us. You know, a lot of times for young wives and moms, we want books that are going to tell us how to do better.

And so I think there's that. I think part of it is just American evangelicalism, where you have moralistic therapeutic deism, which, if you don't know what that is, moralistic therapeutic deism is, you know, there's a God in the sky.

He's there if I need him. He's not going to interfere too much in my life. It's kind of the American religion. But that seeps into Christianity, and I think that's exactly what's in Rachel Hollis' book and exactly what is in a lot of the books for women.

So I think part of it is just the problems that we see in America and evangelicalism in general. And women are just sometimes different people. We're sometimes more emotional, and we want stuff that's going to make us feel good.

And Rachel Hollis' book is going to make you feel good. I mean, it didn't make me feel good. I had a hard time reading it, but she's kind of your own personal cheerleader. Yay, you can do it, keep going, that sort of thing.

Do you know what kind of background Rachel Hollis is from? I've never heard of her before.

You know, from what I can tell, I believe her father was a pastor, but I think just really kind of a typical evangelical background, I think. But just to give, for those that aren't familiar with her, in her book she says things like, You're the captain of your ship.

You're the hero of your story. She had a post on Facebook that said, It doesn't matter if you're Muslim or Mormon or Christian, as long as you worship.

Really?

I mean, that's what she said, yeah.

And she claims to be an evangelical. Right.

Now, her book was published by Thomas Nelson, which is a Christian wing of a secular publisher, and it is a for-profit.

Right. It's not owned by Christians. In fact, most of the largest Christian publishers today, even those that began as Christian-owned, are not Christian-owned anymore.

Right. A lot of the good, solid publishers, like Moody, are even nonprofit organizations, so they function very different than a for-profit secular publisher would. So even though I think that it's bringing Thomas Nelson money, obviously, because it sold so many books, and so they'll sell it under the heading of Christian, but it's really not a Christian book, and a lot of people were very upset with us when we did the episode.

We both read, my co-host Angela and I both read Girl, Wash Your Face, and then we took lots of quotes from it, and we lined it up with Scripture, and we showed that this is not consistent with the Word of God.

It's contrary to the Word of God. And a lot of people were upset with us because it's such a popular book.

Wow.

So I don't know if I answered the question, but I think there's a lot of reasons.

Yeah, but of course, even if a man who is a pastor is theologically sound and biblically faithful, he's not going to permit the women who are doing, at least if it's a church function, obviously you can't be a dictator and start banning books in the private homes of people.

You can warn about them, but a pastor is not going to let it slide for the women in his church, if he is biblically sound himself. We're going to give them some slack in having a heretic as their focus of study for the women's Bible study, because the men are going to have meatier stuff because the men are more deep and all this stuff.

So we're going to make sure that the men are reading solid biblically faithful stuff. But as far as the women, that's obviously very wrong of a pastor to look at things that way. And also, it may be, and I've met pastors that I think would fall under this category.

Of course, I'm not going to mention their names. But I think that men today are so paranoid over appearing to be, or appearing as misogynists, male chauvinists and all that, that they're afraid of, even a pastor might be afraid of dictating to the ladies' study group what they're supposed to be reading, or what they should be reading, or what they should not be reading.

I get that impression that that's probably why this circumstance may have developed in the scenario that Susan and Satalkit is discussing. I mean, do you have any comment on what I just said?

Well, one of the problems, I think, with so many women's ministries today is they function kind of separate from the church.

Yeah, that's really what I mean.

Yeah, and really, it's not, when we're in a church, we are under the authority of our pastor and elders. And so, I hope, I really hope that in churches, that it's like in the churches that I have been, that if I pick a book that I want to do for the women's Bible study, that I buy a copy and I give it to the pastor and elders, and they look it over before we ever get to week one.

And they check it out, and they make sure that it's a sound book. Because a women's ministry should be under the authority of the pastor and elders. It shouldn't just be functioning on its own.

Right. By the way, do you care to mention the church where you are a member?

I don't say that publicly.

Okay.

Yeah, you get crazy stuff on social media and stuff.

I was going to say, so you don't want to bring all the craziness back to your own home church.

Right.

But I know that you're theologically Reformed, though, right?

Yes, I am a Presbyterian. I'll say that much. And I think, and I don't know, I know that in some Reformed Baptist churches, I don't know how it works in most churches, but I know in most Presbyterian and Reformed Baptist churches that there is oversight from the pastor and elders, and that when the women's Bible study wants to do a book, they submit it to the pastor and elders for approval first.

And I think that that should happen.

Yes, and of course, I am a Reformed Baptist, and I must quickly say that I do not claim perfection on the part of Reformed Baptists or even my conservative Presbyterian friends. We are not perfect, so if you find something crazy going on in one of those congregations that happens to be identified as Reformed Baptist or Presbyterian, that's just what you call the universality of sin on this planet.

But I agree with you that Reformed Baptists and conservative Presbyterians typically would be more likely to have all of the study groups going on in the church submit what they're doing to the elders' approval.

That would be typically more of a common thing.

You know, one thing I wonder, and maybe you would have something to say about this, Chris, but I hear from a lot of the gals in our group that their church has a women's Bible study, but not always a men's Bible study.

And so I know that the gal that wrote mentioned men's Bible studies, but I know even if I think about all the churches that we've been in, my husband and I in the last 24 years, that a lot of times where there's sometimes a men's Bible study, but it seems like the women's Bible study is a little bit more consistent.

It might be because even though there are a lot of women out there who are working outside the home, and perhaps even working in two or three jobs outside the home, it is more common for women in the Christian church to be stay-at-home mothers and housewives working in the home, which is obviously an extremely difficult job, and a very vital and important job.

And I think that may be the reason, is that you have, I think, more of a percentage of men working outside the home, and perhaps even two or three jobs, and therefore you have men who don't seem to have the time to do those things.

I could be off base on that.

No, I think that's exactly it. I know even thinking about my own husband, when he's been in Bible studies, and the men in the church, we've almost always been in smaller churches, so the men of the church will try to find a time that works well for them, and that can even be challenging, where a lot of times with the women's Bible study, you know, get together at 10 a .m. on a Tuesday morning, because we're home with our kids, you know.

We have another question from a friend of mine who happens to be a published author, and quite a brilliant sister in Christ, Latane C. Scott, been a friend of mine since the early 1990s. Dr. Latane C. Scott from Albuquerque, New Mexico, asks you, if you were teaching a class of teenage girls in a church, how would you articulate the value of complementarianism in such a way that they would be able to understand that and defend it to their teenaged friends?

That's a very interesting question.

Wow, that's difficult. And I think I have taught the junior high Sunday school class, and we had almost all girls, but I think that may even depend on the girl and where they're at and what they've grown up in.

What I will say is that I think especially with teenage girls now, when you have so much egalitarianism out there, that being able to explain that men and women are created equal but different, and this is a good thing.

It's not a bad thing. I think egalitarianism sometimes paints it as it's a bad thing that we're created different, but it's a good thing. You know, this is God, who is all wise, who created us that way.

And I'm kind of on the spot a little bit on how I would say this to a teenage girl so that she could defend it to her friends. But I think maybe just even emphasizing that point, understanding who we are created in the Lord.

And it would probably be wise for us to define those terms, complementarianism and egalitarianism. From my understanding, complementarianism would be the understanding that men and women are completely equal in value in the sight of the Lord.

A man is not superior or holier or in any way better innately than a woman, but God himself has assigned different functions and roles for men and women. And the headship in the home and the headship in the church are two of the core areas regarding complementarianism.

Whereas egalitarianism, you have all different levels of it. You have some people who believe there are absolutely no roles at all in the home or the church. But then you have others. For instance, there is a local denomination here that's very dominant in Pennsylvania, and I have friends in this denomination, the Church of God General Assembly.

It's sort of a Wesleyan Baptist denomination founded in Findlay, Ohio. But they have women pastors. I disagree with them strongly on that. But they do believe that a man is the head of his household. They do believe that the wives need to submit to the husbands.

They didn't come to the conclusion of ordaining women from a liberal collapse of the church that started probably in the 19th century, but really started to gain a lot of traction sadly in the 1960s. But they would have like a Wesleyan background where that type of thing was permitted going back 200 years or more.

But having said that, the egalitarians, once again, are either trying to say that there are no gender roles at all, or that, at the very least, women have the opportunity to function in every way that a man can in the church, even if they don't view it that way in the home.

Did I accurately define those two according to what you understand those things to be?

Yeah, I think that's correct. I think in recent years there's been some debate regarding what falls under the complementarianism label because of a debate regarding eternal subordination of the Son, which has to do with the Trinity, and using a wrong view of the Trinity to argue a more extreme form of complementarianism.

So that's one of the things that's come up where I do not fully agree with eternal subordination of the Son. So what we've learned is that there's even differences underneath the label of complementarianism, but I think what you said is definitely the basics and what I would agree with.

Well, thank you so much, Dr. Latane C. Scott. It's always good to hear from you, and I look forward to interviewing you again at some point in the future. It's always a pleasure interviewing you and hearing from you as a listener as well.

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Welcome back. This is Chris Arnzen. If you just tuned us in, our guest today for the full two hours with a little less than 90 minutes to go is Colleen Sharp, producer and co-host of the podcast Theology Gals.

She's also speaking at an upcoming conference in Freehold, New Jersey on sanctification through suffering on the roster with Justin Peters, Frank Mullis, Joe Suozo, and this has been orchestrated by my friend Andrew Rapoport of Striving for Eternity Ministries.

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So, I hope that you enjoy that and are blessed by it. Before we go to any of our listener questions, and we seem to have them stacking up right now, I want you to, just in your own words, continue forward with things that you believe are biblically appropriate for women in the church to participate in and orchestrate activities that do not extend beyond the God-breathed boundaries, as our title calls it, of complementarianism.

Things that you think that women have complete liberty to do with a clean conscience and unwaveringly lend their support and activity to.

I think, regardless of what those things are, I do want to start that I've qualified men that are called to be pastors and elders. And one of my problems with a lot of women's ministries, like I said earlier, is that they kind of function on their own.

They do what they want, and I really do think there needs to be such. I think women can teach Bible studies and really do a lot of the things in the church that aren't preaching and being an elder, as long as they're under the authority of the church leaders.