"Church of Christ" & SDA share in the same FALSE Gospel! w/ Miles Christian @answeringadventism

The Gospel, Salvation, and the Restorationist Problem

What's up, YouTube? As always, welcome to the live stream. First one back after a couple weeks here. We're gonna be continuing a conversation that I had last week with Pastor Jeremiah Nortier over at the Apologetic Dog.

If you don't subscribe to the Apologetic Dog, you should subscribe to the Apologetic Dog. His channel is tagged in the comment section or the description box down below. We talked about some claims that all the Restorationist churches make to being the one true church last time, specifically focusing on the SDA Church and the Church of Christ, which Jeremiah has quite a bit of experience engaging with.

So tonight we're gonna transition into discussing salvation and the gospel. We were tempted to do that actually a couple times last time and we refrained, so I'm excited to get into some of that tonight.

But we're gonna be looking to see what sort of foundational similarities there are between the two groups. He led the dialogue last time, and let me jaw jack basically the entire time. So I'm gonna let him actually talk this go around, but we're gonna see how that goes because he wants me to get into the investigative judgment.

And I don't think he understands that by doing that, we're gonna be opening Pandora's box. So the chat tonight might camp out on that, we will see. And we're gonna leave the last 20 minutes or so to Q &A.

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With that said, for those that may not know, Jeremiah is a Reformed Baptist pastor at the Twelve Five Church in Jonesboro, Arkansas, sorry, and has been in ministry for five years. His love for God, theology, apologetics, and people are evident as he teaches the saints.

He and his wife, Allie, have been married since 2005, and she has continually been his number one supporter in ministry. So with that said, brother, welcome to the stream.

Miles, what's going on, man?

Not much, man. I am excited about our discussion. Like I said, we were so tempted a number of times in our last stream to

Sorry, that was my fault, by the way.

No, no, you're good. Whenever we're having a first-time discussion on these topics with anyone, not just you, we tend to, or I tend to mention some things that tend to cause people to go, whoa, pump the brakes.

Hold on, hold on, and then the next thing you know, it's been two hours and we went down the rabbit hole and covered all sorts of topics. So no worries. Like I said, I'm excited that you're here tonight.

I'm excited for you to actually be able to talk some and for us to cover Church of Christ a little bit more. I don't know if you know this, but here in Tennessee, they're like a hotbed, and I think you were saying the same thing too where you're at, that they're a pretty big hotbed as well, but I run into a lot of them.

Real quick, before we jump in, you know, Tim Tant, obviously, who just got done debating a Church of Christ fellow. Tim and I actually met out on the street. I was doing street evangelism. I've been doing that in Nashville here for about seven or eight years, and I crossed paths with Tim out on the streets, and he had been praying that God would lead him to people who were involved in street evangelism.

So that's actually how I got connected with Tim, but that's one area that him and I out there on the street, we run into a lot of Church of Christ people. So I'm excited to get into tonight's show. So last time, we talked about the claim that these Restorationist churches make with regards to being the one true church, and I want you to give us a little bit of backstory before we get in to how you got involved engaging Church of Christ specifically.

So why are we talking about Seventh-day Adventism and the Church of Christ when there are other Restorationist churches out there?

Backstory: How Church of Christ and Adventist Encounters Began

Yeah, well, a little bit of backstory with me. So Jonesboro, Arkansas is kind of like a city of churches in the sense that there's church buildings on every corner. You either got a bank, a restaurant, or a church.

And so the biggest number of churches are either gonna say Church of Christ or a type of Southern Baptist church. Those are the main ones. And so growing up in Jonesboro my whole life, tons of friends, family, people that I know are Church of Christ, but I grew up Southern Baptist, which is still near and dear to my heart.

And over time, like growing up, I didn't think that very much about Church of Christ other than maybe they're just another evangelical denomination. And so when I got a little bit older, started realizing, oh man, there's a major difference in understanding of how we're made right before God in the very gospel itself.

So for me, it was about 21. I was about 21 where I started really being more vocal with my faith, really having a desire to learn God's word, to not only digest it, take it in my own heart, but share it with other people.

And I was a little cage stagey in many areas. I was a lot more vocal and I started running into a lot of people that were Church of Christ. And so when I do evangelism, that is where my heart's at because I know so many people.

And so with that, I met an individual, actually this individual is putting out ads in the paper. He's a Church of Christ minister. And one of the members of my church came up to me, this church that I was at many years ago, said, hey, you may need to consider calling this person and talking because they were disparaging the idea of salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone and Jesus Christ alone.

They said something to me, very rudimentary blunder of just saying, well, that's contradictory. You can't have all these alone. That's like, okay, maybe they don't understand the historical context of the five solas of the Reformation.

And I started seeing in the description that this is denominational language that's found nowhere in the Bible. So I called this individual, we went through the whole deal and I learned very quickly, especially with the inside of Walter Martin with the kingdom of the cults, you have to scale the language, Barry.

It's always a war of defining terms and always looking at context for proof text. So anyway, my interaction with this church Christ minister led eventually to him asking me if I wanted to debate one of his friends.

I was like, sure. Actually, I was at the G3 conference, I guess a year and a half ago, and I got an email saying, hey, there's a church Christ minister just down the road from my town. He's looking to debate someone that would hold to faith and law and doesn't think water baptism is necessary for salvation.

And I just said, let's do it. I said, I don't need to know all the details. I wanna make sure this is gonna happen. And so I wanna encourage people, go over to the Apologetic Dog. The main featured video is that debate that I had with a church Christ minister, Brock Kendall.

And that was almost a year ago to the day. And I loved that so much. I think both sides is a clear contrast that we're not on the same page. We believe in different gospels and we're gonna get into this tonight.

I believe the church of Christ hold to works righteousness salvation. They don't say that. But when you ask them, what must I do to be saved? You're gonna get a list of five things. And then there are hidden steps that they don't mention.

And it's works righteousness from the core. And it comes out of this restoration movement that was around the early 1800s, even late 1700s. And last thing I wanna say Myles real quick, is I'm actually on the docket to have another debate on Donnie's channel at Standing for Truth.

I believe the date is gonna be March 20th, where I'm gonna be debating another church Christ member. I don't know his status within the church, but it's gonna be on essentially is water baptism necessary for our justification before God?

So I'm super pumped about that.

Cool, man.

I think that's a good little like primer and backdrop. It's funny because as you're saying all that, I'm like, man, this sounds identical to the SDAs. It's like the scaling the language barrier. And like, of course, they're not gonna be like, yeah, we believe in works righteousness.

Of course, no works righteousness group has ever said, we believe in works righteousness. So that's good, man. Before we dive too deep on this, I want us to clearly lay two things out because not just with restorationist groups, but all sorts of people can tend to get hung up on definitions if they're not clearly laid out.

And so I find that in this typical discussion, people tend to get hung up on what is the gospel and what do we mean by salvation? So in our discussion tonight, are we talking about when it comes to salvation, are we here advocating for, I went down the aisle and I said the prayer, so I got my ticket punched and I'm going to heaven?

No way.

Do we believe in cheap grace?

I'm very familiar with that kind of upbringing. Not all SBC churches are cut the same, but the one I came from was very, very much emotional, an invitation and come and pray the prayer. And I love the church that I grew up at for 15 years, but that fit the bill of what you're getting at is pray this prayer, get the ticket punched, and you can only be backslidden the rest of your life and once saved, always saved.

And so that all changed for me when I started studying the doctrines of grace, realizing that this is a work of the spirit from the heart. We're not just trying to get people to make a decision. We're calling them to repentance and faith in Jesus.

It's so much more than a decision. It's a heart that loves Jesus with everything in you. And so that changes everything, right? And then you realize that that wasn't of yourself. That wasn't your own doing.

That was a gift of God. That was a work of God. And so, you know, I won't get into all the weeds of that, but yeah, it's not an easy believism, cheap grace. To repent means to recognize and understand that Jesus is Lord, whether or not you recognize it, but it is coming to that repenting in your heart, turning from loving the things of the world, loving your sin and turning and looking to him and trusting him alone for salvation.

Amen.

Yeah, that's exactly right. We're not here peddling your channel, my channel, the discussion tonight. We are not peddling fire insurance. We're not here saying you need to come to Jesus so you don't go to the bad place.

That is not what we're advocating. And I say that because I've been engaging SDAs for almost a decade now in this regard. And I hear that all the time. It's this false dichotomy of if you're not with me, then you're automatically this other thing over here.

And those are the only two options. So I just want to set that out there that we're not here advocating for fire insurance. The gospel is not a suggestion. It is a command. You are commanded to bow the knee to Jesus Christ as Lord.

You will either do it now if God so wills and graces it to you. If not, you will eventually do it on the last day. So with that said, we covered the first part. When we talk about salvation here, we're not just talking about cheap grace, easy believism, or even just justification, which is what a lot of people are getting hung up on too.

A lot of times when we get into the Sola Fide discussion, faith alone, it can kind of get overlooked that what we're talking about is that really that single tier justification versus a two tier justification where the initial justification is of course by grace through faith.

That's exactly what Rome says as well. But then there's this second tier after that, where, and we're getting into synergism here, which I'll save this for a little bit later, but after God is essentially done by grace through faith, it's now your duty to come up alongside God and to do your part and cooperate alongside that process.

And as long as one is doing that, they retain that justification versus the idea of justification being a one-time act that God bestows upon a person at the point of granting them faith and repentance.

And then that person will automatically go into the process of sanctification because the spirit does not remain dormant in anybody. There is no carnal Christian. Hate to break it to you folks. The spirit does not remain dormant in people.

So when we talk about salvation, we're talking about the entire chain and the entire process. We may be talking about one specific point in that, but we're not here advocating that salvation is this idea of like a one and done.

Like there was a single moment. That single moment may have been when you were justified, but that's not the whole process.

Yeah, and not to derail too far off, definitely bring back the apologetic dog. But the more I interact with Church of Christ, I've learned something very interesting. They deny that they have any indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Like in my mind, they are the radical cessationist crowd. Not only did they deny that God works in miraculous means, but the only way that you can make sense of the passage that tell us we have the Holy Spirit is when they say, when you read scripture and the scripture is in your mind, that's the Holy Spirit indwelling you.

And so there, and I'm over here like, I'm very thankful that they deny that they have the Holy Spirit because I believe that that is true about them as well.

Well, bro, that's so funny you say that. Maybe we need to do a separate stream dedicated just to this, like pneumatology, doctrine around the Holy Spirit, because that's, again, very similar to Seventh Adventism.

I don't wanna sidetrack again with that. Maybe we'll do a second stream, but quickly give, not the systematic presentation, but we covered what we're talking about when we mean salvation. What do we mean by the gospel?

What is the gospel?

That's so good. Evangelion, right? In Greek, the good news. I even brought the good boys, or the boys to help me out if I need to phone a friend. But the gospel is the good news, right? And I'm a simple man.

In order to understand good news, you have to understand bad news first, right? What makes the good news the good news? And so the bad news is that we have all broken God's law. It didn't start out that way, right?

Man started out in the garden where he was in perfect communion with God, but long story short, man's sin, committed cosmic treason against his creator. And then Adam represented all of his posterity and fell into sin, and we all died in Adam.

And so from birth, we all have this disposition towards rebellion and hatred towards our creator. We all sin and fall short of the glory of God. God is perfect in all of his ways. That means he's perfectly just.

He will judge sin. He will pour out wrath. And so that's what we all deserve. That's the bad news, that we deserve justice for being lawbreakers. But the good news is, is when we look to Jesus by faith alone, faith apart from works, which I hope we can get a little bit more into that terminology, then the great exchange happens, right?

Jesus lived a perfect sinless life. He obeyed the law of God perfectly. And then he died on the cross, satisfying the wrath of God completely. So when you look to the perfect savior in faith, all of your sin, past, present, and future, gets put on the cross of Calvary.

And in exchange, you receive the perfect righteousness covering your account. And so when that happens, then all of your sin gets forgiven. Psalm 32 talks about the blessed man whom God will not impute sin.

Will not, never will be, because you have the perfect righteousness of the savior covering your account. Now, it's not that we can go and abuse grace now. No, we have a changed heart. We now desire to do the things that are pleasing to God and to practice righteousness.

So we desire to be with the saints, to gather together in the church, to get that foretaste of what heaven will be like for all eternity.

Amen, bro. That's a, it's like spiritual jacuzzi just hearing all that. It's like, ah, man. Yeah, wonderful. The doctrines of grace. So there's something you said there too, that actually I don't wanna get too off on this yet.

I would love to get back to this at some point. You mentioned the great exchange and just in passing on that, in case we're not able to get back to that. I think that is something that these, and not just these restorationist groups, but lots of people who reject this idea do not quite understand.

So for example, in Seventh-day Adventism, the righteousness of Christ is something they love to tout. They love to, you'll hear them constantly say, it's one of their pillars. They have seven pillars and it's one of the pillars.

And it's all this buzz lingo that Protestant evangelical types are familiar with, but scaling that definition barrier, you're gonna find that it's not that you're actually imputed with the righteousness of Christ, that there's this great exchange that takes place.

And right now, before the Father, you're seen as holy. You're righteous right now and you're standing before God and nothing can alter that because God's a perfect savior. In their mind, the way they define it, I actually just was reading one of their pioneers.

He has a book called The Righteousness by Faith, where he's like going over their idea and concept. It's, their good news is this, that Christ died on the cross to make salvation a possibility. Pretty standard synergism or semi-Pelagianism, if you will.

He paid the penalty for sin and was the atoning sacrifice for sin. Now, he sent the Holy Spirit, who's the helper, to help you if by faith, so there's by faith, of course, you come to him, you're baptized in the Adventist church, you will now have the help of the heavenly trio, the Father, Son, and the Spirit, who are working like a team.

They will come alongside you and help you essentially get to a point where you are sinlessly perfect, arriving at the destination where you are now righteous like Jesus was righteous. That's the righteousness of Christ.

So when they say the faith of Jesus, that's another big phrase they love to say. They love to point to Revelation and say, the remnant are those who have the faith of Jesus. We talked about that a little bit in the last stream, not getting really into the details of the definitions, but what they mean by that is that your faith is identical to that of what Jesus had.

You eventually get to a point where your faith is perfect. It never falters. And then you're also sinlessly perfect in all of your character, thought, word, deed, everything. Because as you're gonna see, when we get into tonight, their prophet has taught them that they're going to have to stand before Almighty God without an intercessor.

And so when this takes place, you're going to have to have arrived at that state where you have the faith that's identical to that of Jesus and a righteousness that isn't Christ-foreign righteousness imputed to you like Paul says in Philippians 3, 9 -10.

It's a righteousness that through the help of the Holy Spirit, you've essentially gotten to a point where you now have a righteousness identical to that of Jesus. So before getting too deep into some of that, when it comes to salvation and the gospel, what issues do you have with the church of Christ?

You mentioned their steps, and I know exactly what you're talking about. So maybe you'll get into some of that here, but what concerns you about what they say about the gospel and salvation?

Law and Gospel in the Church of Christ

They distort law and gospel, number one. The gospel ends up becoming law. They conflate categories of terms like obedience and legalism to obey. To them, when we start talking about not of works, they're going to immediately qualify that into kinds of works.

And I have tons of church of Christ people that follow my channel constantly or harassing me. I don't really mind. It's like help my YouTube algorithm. I don't mind.

Yeah.

But one of the most helpful things, and I'll get into some of this, but I just want to kind of lay this out there, is one definition that I will always contend for and press them to tell me is give me the definition of works.

Ergon in the Greek. Tell me what that means. And the gentleman that I debated, he had a debate partner, the guy that set it all up, he pointed at me and said, I don't have to give you a definition of works.

I just obey the gospel. And I'm like, all right. This is the problem is teachers are held to a higher standard. You're supposed to be able to teach, exegete the scriptures, tell us what the meaning of the word is without imposing your ideologies onto the text.

So at the end of it, the church of Christ, they will use the word obedience or obey to smuggle in works into the gospel. And so this is what happens. I say, give me a definition of faith. Give me a definition of works.

And a lot of them can't do it. And those are synonymous words in their system. Now, not every church of Christ believes the same thing, but I've heard some people try to say, well, faith really means the content of the New Testament or the gospel.

And they're confusing something like Jude verse three that says contend for the faith. Okay, that's qualified, right? But when we read about personal faith, that's pistis. We even have Hebrews 11 one that kind of tells us the assurance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

That's faith, right? This is a category of the heart. This is a firm trust. And don't get mad at me for saying this, but I've done a little bit of interaction with Sam Shimon in the past. And a lot of what they will do is redefine faith to mean faithfulness.

To me, that's a better argument than what the church of Christ do. Like they're really grasping at straws, just not even paying attention to definitions of words and looking at context. I had one church of Christ guy today tell me the definition of works, Miles, is works.

And I'm like, oh no.

Thank you for the tautology.

Yes, I'm like, I didn't know nonsense was allowed here. And I'm not trying to be mean, but these are serious things, especially when you look at important passages that cannot be misunderstood. Romans four, we don't even have to get into it, but that is where I take church of Christ because we see the judicial language of justification by faith apart from works.

Whether you look at works of law, whether you look at works of flesh, anything that you can point to, that's not a part of your justification except by faith and faith alone. So that's what they do. They essentially are adding faith plus works.

And we get into a conversation. I've met some very respectful church of Christ and I love those conversations because what I try to have the conversation is at what point are we justified? Is it the moment when we have faith, which God knows and you know in your heart, or until that faith works a particular action like baptism, is that when we're justified before God?

Now that, Myles, I laid that out so clear. They have to understand those are the two options going on here, like a true dichotomy. And so the problem is they're confusing a justification before man, a vindication before man, with God who is all knowing.

Historically, the church of Christ affirming God's omniscience. And so they're really boxed into a corner when they start saying things like, oh, well, you gotta really show God that you mean it. God knows your heart.

God tests the heart. He already knows before you perform the action. So does that make sense? They're really making baptism the thing that if you don't do it, then you're not getting in, right? And I'm over here saying, well, you've destroyed the gospel of grace.

You've committed the Galatians 1 heresy. And then they will talk about you can fall from grace in Galatians 5, 4 to mean you can lose your salvation. I'm like, no, you've adopted legalism. You've severed yourself from Christ and embraced a different gospel.

That's falling from grace. So stop me, because I could go for days here.

Well, again, it's just, it's so interesting how similar, it's like all these groups just put a different veneer on themselves. Because really this has, this argument, I would say even before the point I'm going to mention, but the point that I'm going to mention is when it was really, I say God brought the magnifying glass out at that point.

And that was with Luther. For anyone that's curious, I would highly recommend that you read Luther's Bondage of the Will. Whether you're Reformed or not, I think that it's just an important piece of history, Christian history.

It's the first recorded documented down debate within the church, at least in terms of like real scholasticism. You obviously had controversies going on with like the Donatists, the Gnostics, that sort of thing.

But really look at Luther's Bondage of the Will because he was addressing the exact thing that you're talking about right now, which is the crux of the issue. We can get caught off in the weeds with a lot of these groups and the way that they uniquely use terms or definitions.

But really when you peel back all of the layers, what we're getting at here is that these groups have a two tier system of justification. They are, when you say that they are conflating or mixing law and gospel, they don't have that law gospel distinction, something else that they could learn a lot from Luther on.

That's essentially what we're getting at. It's not seeing justification and sanctification as two separate things that are not interdependent upon one another in the sense that your sanctification is another phase of justification.

That's the core issue. Because again, as you're saying that, I'm thinking about Seventh-day Adventist theology and just how you could literally port them into everything essentially that you were saying there.

They're not going to tell you obviously that they believe works righteousness. They're going to tell you all the lingo and the language. I don't know the lingo as well as Church of Christ, but Adventist organization has gotten really good at utilizing the right language so that people who aren't learned or aren't thinking to maybe ask about definitions are going to hear these things and then just move along as if, oh yeah, this person's saying the same thing the same thing I'm saying.

In Adventism, it kind of works like this. You'll ask them if it's a works righteousness and they would say, no, of course not. Of course it's not by works. Here's their system kind of in a nutshell. All of humanity is on a period of probation.

You have to go back to their pre-earth origin story which is found in the writings of Ellen G. White who we talked about on the last stream. So if you guys want to hear that discussion, you can go check that out.

We're not going to get into that tonight, but you have to go back to this pre-earth origin story. And she taught that the father and the son in their work of creation, created man post this war in heaven with Satan.

So the earth and man were created in a chaotic environment where sin had already crept into heaven. And you can read about this by the way, folks, in Spirit of Prophecy, volume one, starting at page 17, the fall of Satan.

And God created in a chaotic environment and put man on a probationary period. So that's the baggage that's coming to the creation of man. They are essentially mono-covenantalists. I think we mentioned this in passage as well.

On the previous stream.

And that's really what I'm getting at with this intermingling works of law with the gospel or grace because they don't see a distinction between the covenant of works and the covenant of grace. They have taken classic covenant theology, whether that be Presbyterian, which is the correct one by the way, or Baptist covenant theology, it doesn't matter.

They've essentially taken like a historic covenant perspective. And then of course they've twisted it and altered it. And I had a comment out here earlier from a guy who said, I never heard the good news of the gospel when I was in SDA church.

It was all about burning in hell or the three angels message or the great controversy. And that's exactly it, man. Their idea of the gospel is from this paradigm of the great controversy. I'm getting ready to do a series of videos, breaking this down for people who are not familiar with it.

But this is like the real key to understanding the way they define everything. I've talked about this on the stream before for anyone that's watched any of the other content. This is the paradigm for them.

So everything, justification, salvation, the gospel, it's all defined through this great controversy paradigm, which they claim was uniquely given to Ellen White who had this vision at a funeral. So that's where it essentially came from.

And that's how they interpret everything scripturally, but they're mono-covenantalists. So there's this intermixing of works of law with grace. And it's a combination of that that essentially brings about how a person is made right before God.

So how would you biblically define works righteousness?

Yeah, so it's everything we've been talking about. Works righteousness is if you are doing any works, any action, any ergo on anything you do or you accomplish, if that is why you are made right before God justified, then you have necessarily imported works into faith.

And so that's why justification is by faith alone. Faith is not a work. Faith is a gift. So that's fundamental. And when I really press for... Yeah, oh yeah. Well, we got a number of places. God grants faith in repentance.

He grants we... Yeah, Philippians 1 .29. He's granted us to not only suffer to believe, but to also suffer for his name's sake. So it's like, it's not like that easy believism like you're talking about.

No, it's a real faith that's in the heart and then get ready, right? Because we're not promised roses, right? The whole world's gonna come at us hard. So with the church of Christ, some of the lingo like you were talking about, because they really do.

It's faith plus works and it's a misunderstanding of James chapter two, which by the way, to me, that's where all the cults all go to James two and then misinterpret that to justify their position. But it's all baptism for them.

So, and I'm learning so much from the Seventh-day Adventist side of things, but it's all about baptism. It's all about seven or eight proof texts about baptism. You guessed it. And you gotta be baptized in their church, the church of Christ.

And they appeal to Romans 16, 16, the churches of Christ now greet you and salute you. And it's like, that's not talking about what the name of your church is. That's talking about the nature of the ecclesia, the called out ones by faith, the ones who have been called out by the gospel and respond by faith apart from their works.

So there's a number of things that I could say, but it all kind of funnels back to baptism. And earlier I was talking about, they have five steps where you gotta believe, you have to repent, you have to confess, you have to be baptized into their church.

And so this is the hidden step. You have to continue to live holy lives. Now, what they mean when they say that is you can essentially lose your salvation because everything is contingent on what you do, right?

And so it's works righteousness, literally from beginning to end. It's all contingent on you. I obeyed the gospel. I was saved the day, the moment that I obeyed and I'm continuing to obey. And something that I tell people is the way they treat Jesus is like a reset button, okay?

Because they accumulated a lot of sin, right? From the time of the womb, which they believe you were born perfect, by the way, this is full blown Pelagianism. And so it's your environment that corrupts you, right?

It's not that you have a corrupt heart, you have a perfect sin, I mean, an innocent heart, right? And then your environment corrupts you. And then Jesus is a reset button. You hit that, you get baptized, then you have only your past sins forgiven.

So when you do sin, it's contingent on you to now repent and ask for forgiveness. And so there's so many problems with that, but I just wanna paint the picture that it's all contingent on you. It's funny, because we're the reformed crowd.

They see us as the enemies. They hate everything that we talk about from our view of God. Our view of man is really what gets their blood pumping, because we're saying, you're not good. There's none good, no, not one.

And they wanna make an exception for infants there. And that's really key to their doctrine. But they essentially deny, now I'll make people mad saying this, but they essentially deny the grammatical historical method of interpretation.

They have an acronym called CINI, which basically just kind of elevates this Baconian philosophy that you don't have any presuppositions. You can just read scripture and be a fresh, clean slate. You can look at direct command, you can look at necessary inference, and that's what you do.

If we do the things that the people did in Acts, then that's how you're a Christian, which is self-refuting in many ways, because they don't do everything that the early Christians did in Acts. But Acts is kind of elevated to be the primary book.