FBC Orlando Follow Up

Hello ladies and gentlemen, my name is Justin Peters. I hope that you and your family are doing well today. I want to thank you so much for joining me. So this is a follow-up video to the one that I did a month or so ago on first Baptist Orlando in which I talked about how first Baptist Orlando now openly admits that they.

Have.

Transgendered people LGBTQ people who are growing and serving in their church, and they said that any healthy church must have Heretics and sexually immoral people and if you don't have those folks in your church, well, you don't have a healthy church.

And so this is a follow-up video. I'm going to interview two men in this video Casey Butner who is the pastor of Beulah Baptist Church in Winter Garden, Florida just outside of Orlando and Tom Buck who's a pastor of First Baptist Church in Lindale, Texas.

So first with Casey. Casey knows Danny Dearmus the senior associate pastor of First Baptist Orlando and With all that has been revealed with that church long story short he got in touch with Danny Dearmus and asked for a meeting and That request was granted and he went to it and had a rather interesting conversation with Danny Dearmus another Pastor there and as well as David Youth the senior pastor of First Baptist Orlando, and he's going to tell us about what was discussed what was said at that meeting as well as He has received and I have too, but he has received Some emails from people who are at First Baptist Orlando and They affirm that First Baptist Orlando is indeed baptizing open homosexuals transgendered people Baptizing them.

So this is this is shocking and I've seen some folks There's a YouTube channel out there that has criticized my video on First Baptist Orlando saying I've taken them out of context. And it's a faithful church and Justin's just smearing and attacking them.

Well No, no, this will put any of those doubts to rest and I'm also going to interview Tom Buck and Tom has had some email exchanges with The North American Mission Board now for those of you who are not Southern Baptist that is the kind of the home mission board of the Southern Baptist Convention planning churches and He emailed Nam as it's called in Southern Baptist circles emailed Nam because First Baptist Orlando and Nam have had they have a working relationship and he asked Nam if they are willing to partner with a church that baptizes homosexuals baptizes transgendered people and Tom is going to share those Emails with us and the responses that he received and this will be very eye-opening in a in a very sad unfortunate Dispiriting kind of a way, but we need to know what is going on the social justice train all of those cars the egalitarian car the racial car the Homosexual car all those cars are coming in full Bore and As I've said before as Tom about Dom Tom Buck has said before Once that engine gets in your church, all these cars are coming along with the economic car as well.

So That's just to set up. I think I will put some I'll put the links to Casey's Church and Tom's Church down below in the description as well as some time stamps. So you can kind of this will be a bit of a longer video And so you'll be able to navigate a little bit more quickly if you want to come back to it or View certain parts again.

All right. Well, thank you very much dear ones. Here we go Casey brother. Thank you so very much for joining me today.

Yes, sir. Good to be here with you Justin. Yeah. Yeah.

Hard to believe it's been almost a year since I was with you. I guess last May but Really enjoyed our time together and Lord willing Look forward to worshiping with you again sometime and I really thank you for your faithful service Casey.

Appreciate it, man.

Thank you for coming. Justin, you know, I would say it's been a long time since I've seen you. But what was it last week? We were at the Shepherds Conference or the week prior.

Yeah, sure word. Was that. No that wasn't your first Shepherds. You've been to those before but it was a good time, wasn't it?

I sure was man. It was it was a great time and I've been sorry I stood you up. I asked if I could sit beside of you in the worship center and Man, I found a good comfortable seat outside and it felt bad and I I got the fellowship with you anyway.

So that was great. That's right. Well, the weather was beautiful. So I don't blame you for sitting outside. So Casey, let's dive right in here brother. You and I share concerns with things that we have seen in the SPC for the mass last several years.

Number of years. Full disclosure. I'm not in the SPC anymore. I was born and reared in the SPC. Went to an SPC seminary Southwestern Fort Worth, but. Now I'm part of a non-denominational church, but but your church is still part of the SPC.

You are pastor of Beulah Baptist Church in Winter Garden, Florida and We're gonna be talking primarily today about the compromise capitulation that we've seen on the issue of Homosexuality in the SPC and the SPC has always been very clear on this issue, but.

Things have begun to change in the last handful of years haven't they?

They sure have you know, that was absolutely floored when James Merritt endorsed his son's message. His son not only you know is a homosexual but also Was said by his dad to have preached a message that was faithful to the gospel and it was anything but right.

And How does a man who was a prior president of the Southern Baptist? Convention who stood before us and lied to us in Nashville at an annual convention that were not Adhering to critical race theory, but yet at the same time they do it.

So they say one thing and do another you'll know a man by their fruit. How do these things? Continue to be defended. I'm also in a state of awe. I'm shocked at how all of this has happened. There are previous president JD Greer said that homosexuality will not send you to hell.

How do I know that. Because heterosexuality? Will not send you to heaven.

Homosexuality does not send you to hell. You know how I know that because heterosexuality does not send you to heaven.

Homosexuality does not send people to hell. How do I know that. Because heterosexuality doesn't send people to heaven and all of these clever Clichés are not rooted in Scripture. In fact, they're the exact opposite of Scripture and We're sitting back thinking we have got to address these things because they're creeping in through pragmatism.

Through.

Capitulation through giving into the ways of the world through all of these different things. They're being defended and and and and affirmed. It's scary. Yeah, it really is.

Yeah, we've got the the current president Ed Litton of the SPC who is not only a serial plagiarist, but also He said the same thing Greer did of course plagiarize what Greer said that Homosexuality will not send you to hell.

It's just shocking to me and you mentioned James Merritt former president of the SPC Endorsing his homosexual son's sermon and also Closer geographically speaking anyway to your neck of the woods. You're you're right outside of Orlando there First Baptist Church, Orlando.

Which is a massive massive Southern Baptist Church. Quick timeline of events so back in 2016 there was the shooting at the Pulse nightclub where what was it 58? Something like that for anyway 50 something people were murdered by a Muslim Murderer shooter and he went in but Pulse a Pulse the Pulse nightclub is a homosexual club.

It's a gay bar. And so the safe assumption there is that the vast majority of people in there If not were homosexual themselves were affirming of that lifestyle. And so given what scripture says all of those people died and Faced the wrath of God because of what first Corinthians 6 teaches such will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But they had a memorial service In in memory of that shooting of those who lost their lives and I watched that you've seen this clip. The service and they ushered in all of those murder victims ushered him in straight into heaven and one of the guest speakers shockingly said that the chief cornerstone of first Peter chapter 2 is He identified the chief cornerstone as a LGBTQ Community, which is a shockingly blasphemous thing to say.

There was a scripture found in first Peter chapter 2 That says until you therefore which believe He being Christ is precious But until then which be disobedient stone which the builders disallowed same as made the headstone of the corner and Stone stumbling in a rock of offense even to them which stumble at the word being disobedient Where to also they were appointed.

But you are.

Chosen.

A royal priesthood. A holy nation. A peculiar people. Read this passage and I thought about all of the things that's happening and the word peculiar jumped out. Because what we find is that in our peculiarities in life.

We're not peculiar because of race gender or creed but in Orlando, we are peculiar because the people are the sooner out of many come one. We are peculiar because we have leadership That knows how to follow.

We have leaders like Dyer and Jacob who know how to follow a Demings and Mina and the rise to the occasion. We are peculiar because we know how to let theological differences and Disputes and factions not get in the way of love and Christ.

We are Junior I'll tell you because we believe in the word and what others would have against us. What others would show as a stumbling stone? We've elevated to be the head of the corner and right now no matter what the presence and people of mine may think That LBGTQ area is the head cornerstone.

And we are here to lift up and magnify and allow them to know that regardless of people's opinion regardless of where we are love.

Triumphs over evil.

And then.

Casey how more recently just Couple of months or so ago as of this recording. The pastor and senior pastor senior associate pastor David youth and Danny de Armas respectively, they both preach sermons one Sunday after the other and they said that Homeless they have homosexuals in their church that are growing and serving.

They have LGBTQ. They have transgendered people growing and serving and they're worshiping in their church.

We have longtime members of 50-plus years Greeting and welcoming new people who are walking in for the very first time. We have those who love traditional music and hymns and those who know only contemporary music.

We have choir lovers and non music lovers a pipe organ and loud electric guitars. We have the 99 year old World War two hero and The millennial immigrant who doesn't know anything about American history sitting on the same row and listening and learning about Jesus together.

We have transgender LGBTQ straight single married divorced and cohabitating people these same people attend listen serve grow and give and In the midst of all of this We have one of the most beautiful worship experiences you can possibly imagine because all of us gather around the good news of Jesus and the one who is changing us and the one who unifies us and We celebrate how he has set us all free from our bondage to sin and given us eternal life.

Jose. We are first. Orlando.

And and that a healthy church. David youth quoted an article by Erwin McManus saying that every healthy church must have sexually immoral people and heretics in the church in order to be healthy.

So let me read you an article I came across. I thought this was very interesting the timing of it. I Once heard he quotes somebody and the somebody he quotes is from this church. He grew up here and he pastors a church in California.

His name is Erwin McManus. He quotes the article quotes him. Listen to this. I once heard Erwin McManus say every truly healthy church has two things heretics and people who are sexually immoral. To translate a church that consists of only committed Christians probably has lost sight of its mission and Resembles more the frozen chosen than the messy community that God has in mind that journeys with people as they discover Jesus.

So. Talk to us a little bit about that and the concerns that obviously cost you and what you've done about it since it.

Yes, sir. Well to kind of back up there with you. That was shocking to see there at First Baptist that David youth participated in Affirming the destination of those unregenerate poor folks. We wish that that had not have happened.

But the them and their families aside and our condolences still go to them.

For certain sure.

We're talking about David youth. So that being the case the subject at hand here in First Baptist, Orlando if Titus 1 9 is right in the middle of the qualifications for a faithful pastor and elder and you must according to verse 9 not only exhort sound doctrine, but refute those who contradict it and So for David not to have corrected that cornerstone issue disqualifies him completely and For him not to have corrected it even later or say anything about it.

But in fact, he has defended it. That's right. That is very clear. I'm personally very concerned as well With the members of First Baptist, Orlando in their lack of discernment. So that's a real issue, but I understand the frog in the pan illustration.

I understand longtime, you know conditioning. I understand The victim's person, you know place of their Orlando, but it's time to wake up and to compare Scripture with what's being done and don't listen, but look and so nevertheless David has continued to do these things and if you continue to read in verse 13 and Titus it says to reprove these type Severely, and so I have no qualms at all with being clear.

With what's going wrong there? He Obviously and is not a compliment arian. He does not preach sound doctrine. In fact, he's an eagle a tear and he is an outspoken Eagle a tear and so much so that he placed a woman pastor in a preaching slot at the Pastors Convention preceding the Southern Baptist Convention that got canceled due to kovat in 2020.

Yeah, so you can't you couldn't be any more loud and clear and he would say well she wasn't going to preach but you go on the website to where she is a staff member and you see that she is a pastor and she's being put in a Preaching slot.

All of this is conditioning. We're just trying to move this type of stuff in slowly. And if we don't speak up, it's going to take root. Well, it already has. All of this stuff is so rooted in and we'll get to that but nevertheless.

Now the case is just building over time and over time and and now you've kind of gotten to the point to where even Danny the arm is would read this email to his staff members and staff and then read it publicly and a preaching forum and Proclaim clearly that those who are D all the above serve here and are baptized at First Baptist Orlando and so upon hearing that I was greatly disturbed.

So I sent an email to Danny right away. I couldn't send an email to David as well. His email is not on the website, but I've got Danny's cell phone number. We've met in the past. We've talked. We're only 12 miles away from one another.

Yeah, so we live close by it's you know, one of those things Matt just email him and I said Danny What is this? Man, you're no better than Eli in the Old Testament who enabled gross immorality in the temple if this is true.

We've got to meet. I'm the moderator the senior moderator of the Greater Orlando Baptist Association. First Baptist Orlando is in our association week. We strive to keep a clean camp. There's no immorality that should be even be mentioned among you according, you know to the scriptures.

Yeah, so can we discuss this and I emailed him and in that email also said by the way. This is the second email and I'll tell you now why I said that weeks prior the North American Mission Board had hosted a Pastors luncheon their First Baptist, Orlando and I don't know 60 pastors or so 75 pastors came and we had lunch and we're at roundtables and There was a representative from NAM there to preach to us and so Danny and Pastor David youth were there at a table beside of us and and through that preaching right there in the middle, man.

He felt to the need I guess to drop a four-letter word and I looked around and Unfortunately, there was laughter in the room. Danny laughed. David youth laughed and I was completely appalled. So I took out a little note and I wrote a note to this guy Matt and I said Matt What a first Peter one, you know 16 that says be holy for I'm holy.

You know and then I said there's no room for profanity while preaching especially that preaching on prayer. Yeah, you say that you preach all around the nation behalf of NAM do you use profanity all across the nation and so I put my name and my phone number folded in half and at the end I looked around and Unfortunately, I didn't see anybody else Disturbed except for the pastor that was right beside of me.

So I went over there and gave him the note handed it to him and he was good enough to give me a call. And he said brother. I Appreciate your rebuke and I should not have done that and I don't do that around the nation.

So there was you know some recognition there, but I Called or I mean, I emailed Danny and and I said Danny did you you know, correct this brother in your house? It's no secret. You run the show here first for Orlando David preaches and pastors and you you're the executive administrator.

You you have to lock down at all you hire and fire staff you you do it. You run the place. Did you correct him? And I didn't get a response back. But when I emailed him about him using the word serve while preaching referring to the LGBT community Here growing in Christ and serving.

And said this is my second email by the way, and I sent that off. I got a response and I'm not You know surprised that I got us a response. But he assured me I had nothing to worry about everything is fine.

Blah blah blah and he put me in touch with his assistant and his assistant. Scheduled an appointment for us about 10 days later to be able to to meet and so I was really you know I was looking forward to being able to talk with Danny about this over the years.

I've had deep concerns of the direction of first Baptist, Orlando hundreds and hundreds of families have left first, Orlando over the years. Due to the slow fate and I was even on the phone with one this morning.

Whom's parents had been there has been still are there been there for 40 years and so their children now have children so you have Generations there at first, Orlando. Yeah and so The one whom I was talking to said that the children's ministry was no longer being taught the Word of God.

They were being taught things like how to be kind and how to be generous. But they weren't learning the word and so they were concerned and then their youth Felt like that. The youth ministry was a party.

They felt like It was the place to be for fun. They were using attractional methods and the same thing. They just were not learning the Word of God and so these concerns. Then were voiced to David and Danny I guess and there was no real response.

And then the question was asked as well in this particular meeting. This was a couple years ago. Why David doesn't Hunker down and really tackle the subjects and teach sound doctrine. Yeah, and the response was unfavorable enough to where the younger to Left and brought their kids with them and joined other churches now their parents are still faithful and first Baptist has three services the first one is A traditional service that would be as contemporary as any contemporary service, but it's it is what it is.

But you know the older generation are very faithful To their local church, but at the same time lack a little bit of discernment there and So there's a separation a division in the families and so you have this slow fade it's been happening over years and years and now we finally get to the point to where Danny used the word serve and It was kind of like throwing a little pebble in the pond to see what ripples would happen what kind of pushback would happen and Notice it wasn't David that mentioned this that kind of led the charge on on this church direction on embracing unregenerate unsafe people into Positions of service and greeting and so forth around.

It was Danny. And so I called Danny and I wanted to talk to him he I came to the arranged time and Went there to meet and I was taken up and lo and behold there were other pastors that were invited to the meeting and.

I.

Thought I was meeting with Danny and nobody told me anything. Otherwise and. One of the other pastors there said I didn't know you didn't know. And then David youth walks in and.

He's invited it. It almost it almost sounds like an ambush as opposed to what you were expecting.

It was very different from what I was expecting and nevertheless Justin I'll tell you what they had to say was was all ready ready and Danny had his script ready and In short, all it is, you know an emotional ploy from when his dad Started a coffee shop and was able to reach the hippies.

I guess back in the 70s and that rejected People felt Acceptance in the coffee shop and started finding Christ as Lord and Savior praise God, right? It's You know, I'm very evangelistic sure, and so I participate in the same form of evangelism.

But where he's gone wrong is that he's conflated a coffee shop with the Church of God. See the Church of God is right already have the ministries prescribed according to the scriptures. So nevertheless you cannot Put someone who is unregistered in to a place of service on behalf of the local Church of God and place here you know affirmation upon that lifestyle and Hope that they will be safe because that will infect Everyone around them and it just is violate scripture to begin with nevertheless I was there to talk about that, but that's what Danny had to say a coffee shop the church Conflating the two here's how we can win the LGBT community and then it was David's turn and he told me a story of conversion and Obviously, it was geared towards the heart and the emotions and they took up the majority of the time with these stories.

And so I substantiated what I had to say was scripture. They told stories. We kind of went back and forth, right? So my appeal to the members of First Baptist Orlando would be don't don't listen with your heart.

Jeremiah 17 9 says, you know that the heart is a deceiver and desperately wicked and who can trust it. And so we can't discern with our emotions. We must use our mind and look at the scriptures and actually look what is being said.

So my concern generally is for the homosexual Community for the LGBT folks there at First Baptist for the members to discern what truly is right, according to the Word of God and Submit yourselves and ourselves to the scriptures.

So nevertheless in the conversation they ever so kindly started to maneuver me into a Category that they were painting and I quickly picked up on the fact that they were Creating a dichotomy here between two camps and I was coming to them based upon the scriptures in the Word of God.

Standing at the Biblicist, right? And they were moving me into a hater Category and them into an affirming category. Yeah, and so I addressed that I said guys This is a false dichotomy. You cannot say one groups a hater and one groups an affirmer.

I'm standing on the Word of God and that's that's it. It's simple. And so nevertheless that was.

My.

Unfortunate experience there with the meeting.

And to say that. To say that.

Open.

Open homosexuals transgendered people which there's no such thing as a transgender person, but that's the lingo nowadays.

Can.

Serve and grow.

Okay.

You can't grow until you've been born right. Spiritually speaking I mean you have to be you have to be born again before you can start growing. So the the not-so-subtle insinuation is is that.

You know.

They believe that these these people can be Christians. Unrepentant homosexual and transgender people can be Christians, I mean that that's clearly what's being suggested.

Yes. Yeah that that is clear. And so the problem Continues and you know one thing that I was kind of faced with was I had some pushback with maybe Danny used the wrong word, right? Maybe he should not have maybe he didn't mean to say sir.

Well. Obviously I addressed that in the beginning of our meeting and I said then you're a very articulate man and not only that or Did you read an email and so you've typed it out and now you've read it is very very clear as to the fact I chose that word intentionally.

So for my good friends around me around here who have given Danny the benefit of the doubt Maybe he just selected the wrong word. Well that that's simply not true. In fact another meeting has transpired since that meeting with another member of the church who also addressed that word serve and.

Danny.

Seemed to shrink back a little bit and say maybe I should not have used that word serve and then David youth spoke up and said No, that's exactly the right word and God used that word. And so people have to make a choice.

Here so David is clearly calling people to adhere to what he is saying he and Danny are saying and and choose. Wow and It just continues on. And in fact in this same meeting There was an email sent To pastor youth and Danny the armistice and and I'll share just a little bit of it.

Yeah, so so by the way This gentleman said I've got broad shoulders. You can name my name. You can give my address and email and phone number. I'm with you. I want things to be right and and I said well Just let me utilize the email and the information and so I'll read to you some of it.

Okay, and some of this email to pastors youth and Danny D armistice on Is a something that happened on a Sunday morning and he just briefly states hey, I'm retiring now and I want to join a Bible study group and I worship around some folks there and Was Invited to join a home group and they said that pastor Danny recently Taught at the group and gave them the church's blessing and approval to meet and grow.

All right, and I'll read it from here. It says after they Had me go on their Bible study Facebook page and register. It became very clear that they have had a study that caters to the LGBTQ community.

This Bible study is being led by pastor Mark Penn. Who is the minister to the community for the joy? Metropolitan Church here in Orlando in the two and the two administrators of this group are active homosexual men one getting married this past December to his male partner after 26 years and Being together and the other man who lost his partner husband just recently will have had Celebration of life service in next month or so.

One of the members of this Bible study group who lost his partner husband a year or so ago. Let us know That he met another man and is going on a cruise shortly and they will be sharing a cabin. They are very happy to be part of a church that allows them to serve and be baptized.

Without their needing to change their LGBTQ Lifestyle. They are very happy to be part of a church that allows them to serve and be baptized without their needing to change their LGBTQ lifestyle. After an hour of talking.

Another man who was serving in one area of the church Came and set across for me and after a few minutes of conversation leaned in towards me. Looking straight into my eye and making sure that I knew he was saying.

He told me that he was gay and the way that he looked at me. It was chilling. The group kept saying that great things are happening here at First Baptist Orlando on that car ride. It felt like we had been gut-punched from our own church.

In this note I included a picture of my wife and in our two granddaughters who when they are in town. We bring them to the children's area of the church. I'm very concerned that these two innocent girls may have been exposed to people who serve in your church.

Who the Bible states have been given over to depraved minds? And that are consumed with unnatural lusts and passions. These shameless acts and passions are usually not limited in age and gender. Children fall victims to these people and the email goes on and his concerns are specific and valid.

And that's the reason why I thought I would read this particular email. And I think that this gentleman has a phenomenal ability to discern and God is using his situation to bring light to what is going on there along with you know.

Perhaps this video and it's our desire to see repentance and restoration. To see things righted, you know and and not continue to go down this road. But it is very clear Justin that at First Baptist Orlando There are unregenerate unrepentant.

People who are being affirmed and put into service. Who are now members of the church and have been baptized. And so I asked Danny at this meeting How do you substantiate this and this this is an atrocity and he said that we're still figuring that out and we have Burned it.

We have two two different categories. And this is this is ludicrous. I just share with you what he told me. Okay, it said Those who affirm our church doctrine our stances. They're living the faith they confessed Christ they're in alignment with our doctrine.

We'll baptize them but those also who defer to our church doctrine so he's created two categories affirmers and defers if they just simply defer to our doctrine and Hold primarily to what we're saying and they're not adhering to any anything else.

Then they're a candidate for baptism as well and so for an unrepentant. You know in the individual to just simply say yeah, Jesus is Lord. They can be baptized there and believe me. They make baptism the popular thing to do and they drum it up and they play music that is Cutting-edge dance music that that is just the place to be.

And so after each service that I was there I came and watched it for myself after we met I said, I've got to go see these things for myself. And so the Sunday I was there they had baptisms after each service and They would just simply say hey if you didn't come ready to be baptized today.

We've got a t-shirt and a towel ready for you. Go to the tent and sign up and be baptized today when you go outside. There's kind of like a DJ type atmosphere with a microphone and music going on and people just waiting to be baptized getting in line and so the open yeah open baptism there is Easy believism to say the least even down to children and I saw a wonderful little innocent girl Couldn't have been more than five or six years old.

Who had been you know conditioned and trained and told what to do and and she jumped in and she said Jesus is my Lord and and threw her head back to be baptized and Man, she was just a beautiful girl.

I have three little girls and if there's one thing that we need to do as parents is be very discerning with our children as they are learning about sin and The need to be saved in the test their comprehension and and so I was sitting out there during the baptisms and She ran around and ended up right beside of me at one of the tables and she was soaking wet.

And I said, hey you got baptized and she said yep now I said, can you tell me what sin is and I mean she says what's done wrong against God? So I hope that her Comprehension of Jesus's death and burial and Resurrection and personal atonement for her sins is there.

I pray that it truly is In her mind and in her heart but I must say to you I have reservations because it seems that she was trained and coached to do so and So nevertheless, it seems like a numbers game there with baptism.

Totally totally a numbers game. I mean in any little kid. Yeah, they they hear the lingo in church and they they know the thing to say. They know how to answer the question just with the you know, the right phraseology or lingo because they've heard it.

It doesn't mean that they've internalized it you know if. If you were to ask that that same little girl You know Sally Sue or whatever name was you can you tell me how Jesus saved you. Has Jesus saved you or how has he done that?

What is what is your how did that happen? Do you you know that there would be no there would be no credible testimony there. Children just adopt the worldview in which they're raised. So it's I mean any little kid.

I mean you get I could you could Give me ten minutes with a any six seven-year-old kid who has absolutely no church background whatsoever. And I can get them to say the sinner's prayer. It doesn't it doesn't mean they're saved.

So.

And especially when it's a party atmosphere and you're right outside of Disney World and you know The sun shining and the palm trees and the DJ's I mean DJ's for crying out loud. That's that's a circus.

That's not there's. That's a joke. That's not. That's not a real church.

Yeah, you know hundreds and hundreds are baptized there each year at First Orlando. And even with the one whom I was talking with this morning through personal testimony would say that first Baptist's own Research shows that only 1 stick From those who are baptized and The concern is if they have truly been saved and baptized then why are they not?

Longing to be discipled in the church. Why are they not here? Where have they gone? And so obviously There is something wrong and that's what we're expressing. It's huge and the lack of discernment is Huge as well and that's what we're talking about today the fact that this is an atrocity and unfortunately, First Baptist Orlando is kind of a Template for what is happening in other churches in the Southern Baptist Convention in the same direction that the convention is going and it is awful to see that we have had a President who was a known plagiarizer be defended and none of our Southern Baptist theological seminary presidents have called for his resignation when in fact They would have thrown me out of New Orleans Baptist theological seminary if I would have plagiarized or if I would have said Homosexuality is not a sin the presidents of that seminary would have thrown me out of my head.