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And i'm thrilled to have at the very high recommendation of my very dear friend pastor

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Of.

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He strongly recommended that I entered interview my guest today, dr. John s waldrop.

And I immediately took joe up on his recommendation because I do not take His opinions

lightly and or his discernment for that matter.

And i'm looking forward to today's interview.

Uh, dr. John s waldrop is pastor of calvary road baptist church in monrovia,

california.

He's also the founder of classical baptist press.

And the host of the daily radio broadcast according to thy word.

We're going to be addressing his latest book the church of jesus christ 28 truths Every

christian ought to learn.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio.

Dr. John s waldrop.

Well, i'm glad you said it first because i've said that quite a number of times myself.

Uh, not that I was from there, but i've referred to your state in that fashion.

What's the

flow are the

dead fish?

Well, uh before we go into the book and before we go into A

summary of your personal testimony, which is something that is a tradition on iron sharpens iron radio when we have a

first -time guest.

Uh, tell our listeners something about calvary road baptist church in monrovia, california.

The ministry of

philosophy moved to southern california and started a church number of years.

He he tendered his resignation to go and so

the

church,

uh, wednesday

evening becoming the

second

goes on as

how

as

an independent.

And from what I understand you have Theologically reformed leanings as well.

I do.

Oh, that was funny.

I am I am.

I am a proponent of of reading.

I was not raised in a christian home.

A book a

day really

quickly changed his life.

My sister

when he was about four year result was from time

to time He would miss meals because he was so engrossed.

Father very twice to

the supper table.

Wow, call them one.

If they're not hungry enough to come they miss a meal.

And my dad missed a number of meals, but the largest of it

did me and so my my

basic

philosophy.

Well, uh, we'll we'll get into more of your personal story in a moment.

Uh, in fact i'm dying to hear how a congregation patterned after jack

hiles ministry eventually became reformed at least reformed leaning.

Um.

And uh.

But let's hear something about now a classical baptist press.

Classical baptist

became disgruntled of

reading.

Uh, I became uh friends, uh, 17 years ago with the

wonderful wonderful Missouri by the name of gary

the sovereign grace baptist.

Now is gary the one who wrote the really excellent book on definite atonement because there's a couple of gary

longs.

I know.

Uh, you know, I don't know whether he did.

There's also a gary long that runs, uh particular baptist press.

That's him.

Oh, okay.

That's a different gary long.

Okay.

He's he's among the most gracious men.

I have ever known.

And uh, we had in in common.

I began.

I participated in with him in the 300th anniversary celebration of the

founding of the

Being on his

of men Nettles

and gave me a new my

goodness.

So many of my 20th century

baptists.

The

more I became aware of it the more the more disgruntled I became.

I wasn't bound by any You know the church I

grew up in or any family.

Uh heritage or anything like that free of moral

agent as my theology permits me to be.

Yeah, it is amazing how many of our uh, either

fundamentalist baptist friends.

Or.

More mainstream evangelical baptist friends.

Who think they are?

Living and believing and teaching according to What

baptists have always taught and in many ways?

They are the polar opposite of what the greatest heroes of baptist history

Uh have taught like charles spurgeon and so on.

And and it's just amazing.

How.

How ignorant many of our brethren?

Outside of sovereign grace calvinistic and reformed circles.

How ignorant they are of this historical fact?

And I find

that yes in 2010,

right?

It just it just can't be and it what even makes it more amazing is that many of them claim to uphold? Charles

spurgeon as a great hero of theirs and I wonder how little oh spurgeon could they have read.

To come up with that idea in their minds.

Well, I um.

Almost on a weekly basis.

Pub.

And he never once.

Anyone that he was severely editing their sermon was that's the sword of the lord.

Yes.

Yeah, i've heard that.

And and in addition to that Point

calvinist as a hyper calvinist, right?

And he I'm i'm thinking he had to know

ministry in london.

Of the young fellow waged war against hyper calvinism

point calvinist.

Yes ergo.

Be.

A hyper calvinist.

That's right.

And and ian murray wrote a fine book on on the subject.

Yes.

Well, he wrote two actually.

Yeah, the slam dunk yeah, he wrote uh, the forgotten spurgeon and spurgeon versus hyper calvinism.

Yes.

Yes, uh, and in fact the latter but yes, yeah and john zenz.

Uh.

Years ago confronted the sword of the lord and its editor.

About.

Rewriting what spurgeon actually wrote and his response was Since spurgeon is in

heaven.

He would agree with our changes.

I read mine.

But uh

45 years that I have have known our wonderful lord is.

Is uh a principle that in in large measure has been forgotten these days.

And that's the principle.

That matters of fact are established uh in the mouths of two or three witnesses.

You find that from genesis to revelation god holds himself to that.

And yet some people will.

Um.

You know, uh they'll they'll claim it so because one person.

They'll make it so because one person believed.

And no, that's um.

We we we we have a has provided for us a wonderful

methodology for ascertaining the reliability of facts and information.

Uh, and I find that in revelation chapter one.

The savior sick john the revelator.

To him.

And and that's just the way god

deals with people.

He he doesn't want us uh to opera

on presumption and assumption so much misreading even of what faith is.

I'm i'm convinced that faith is.

Provides us abundant circumstantial evidence.

Amen, and by the way, uh, tell our listeners about according to thy word the radio broadcast that airs on

first love radio.

Yes, it it is it o 'clock in the

afternoon.

It is a.

It is bible teachings sunday

morning sunday night wednesday night.

In order for it to be palatable for other human beings.

My sniffs coughs snorts Have to be removed.

Because i'm i'm.

I'm an allergy guy, you know, well, you're gonna be you're gonna be spreading a gossip if you call yourself a snorter.

We have to be careful.

Especially here in southern california.

That's right.

Yeah, but almost everything here is either legal or law, okay.

So they I have a group of people who a group of wonderful

children and they and they can tell an upward

Than

they otherwise would be.

Well I have done that for many years.

Uh, I did it for my own church where I was a member on long island new york grace reform baptist church when we

had a Program that I created actually called the voice of sovereign grace.

Which aired on the salem media network, uh involving five different Uh sovereign

grace believing churches that all shared that program and each one hosted one night of the week

monday through friday.

And I edited my own pastor's sermons, uh, and that was in the day When I

used a double cassette Recorder, uh didn't have anything fancy

Uh and uh, which made it a lot more arduous and difficult, but I got the hang of it and more recently in

using modern technology, uh, I have Edited the sermons of

the recently retired pastor ron glass of wading river baptist church On long island

new york because he had a program that was a Program that I helped

create also, uh the river of life.

But now pastor ron is retired.

But I I know what it's like to be involved in that process.

Um.

So if anybody wants to listen to according to thy word just uh go to

First love radio .org firstloveradio .org and it will be live streamed for you anywhere in the world.

Uh, and you would listen If you're on the west coast at 5 p .m Monday through friday and in

the east coast where I am 8 p .m. Monday through friday.

So.

Yeah, and my and my sermon manuscripts are also

posted

and also for those of our listeners who want to.

Investigate classical baptist press.

Go to classical baptist dot press.

Classical baptist dot press.

Now just out of curiosity.

I don't want to take too much time on this since we do have Your book that we want to discuss, but why

do you prefer now the term classical?

Uh instead of independent fundamental and perhaps even also instead of reform.

Yeah, that's that's just dna to

not be

in.

Uh, just just a quick just a quick very quick joke, uh, there are three Uh people who

uh abandoned a sinking ship and got onto a lifeboat.

Of one was I'm, sorry, there were six people.

On this lifeboat two were roman catholics.

Two were jews and two were baptists and they finally Uh drifted to a an island

where they sought refuge and as soon as they.

Uh.

Got established on the island the two roman catholics built the cathedral the two jews built the synagogue and the two

baptists built first baptist church and second baptist church.

I'm, sorry, but I digress.

And I celebrated our 44th wedding anniversary friday.

We uh, we went to the getty museum.

And um, and then we drove through los angeles and as we were driving Along wilshire

boulevard from uh, the west side into

downtown la we drove by the emmanuel presbyterian church.

The emmanuel presbyterian church was the place where the

Fundamentals the writers of who wrote

uh, what came to be known as the fundamentals?

It was an effort by the emmanuel presbyterian church to bring that about a lot of independent

fundamental baptists and one of the reasons

why many southern baptists, uh, Were always reluctant to refer to themselves

as fundamentalists.

Even those who were very strongly conservative.

It was uh the result of a of a of mainly a

Presbyterian um and I and I I think the uh,

Sadly been hijacked over the years.

Uh, it used to be if I if I know my history.

Well enough it used to be back in the day that evangelicals and fundamentalists were

synonymously the same thing were viewed in

in relatively high esteem by the non -believing world.

And then um I think it was mencken and the

Scopes monkey trial where he wrote dates and opinion pieces

without once going to the city without once leaving baltimore and he

successfully turned fundamentalism.

Became.

The uh and uneducated buffoons and things like that

and sadly over the years uh, some people have

I find that So many guys that I know who love the lord

who believe the bible Nevertheless, they have an ad

word be inures them to learning anything.

They think they don't already know.

Um, and and it's sad and I found myself uncomfortable with that I found myself.

Hold it a second.

You're you're calling heretic.

Are you out of your mind?

Yeah, you're you're you're calling william.

Kerry.

Uh a heretic your adenine judson was was unscriptural.

I I I can't believe this.

And I know otherwise.

And so I I found myself just

in line with

what my belief system was and here in southern california uh where

basically the azusa street will began and

where Began in 1947 and the charismatic

movement began in 19 Psychology took I

find myself myself as

because so many in the evangelical community Simply don't

hold any doctrinal rigidity at all.

And let me illustrate that here in monrovia I'm about 10

miles from pasadena.

So i'm not very far which was owned by the

worldwide church of god and genuine heretic.

Herbert w armstrong, right?

Didn't they call that big sandy?

I think that's what the insiders call that that building the facility.

It's an absolutely beautiful structure.

But when herbert w armstrong dumb and then according to his theology

discovered that he was not born His movement was taken over.

Not by his uh, bill clinton -like

son, uh guy.

And the guy who I can't remember his name, but after several years He moved from his

anti that the worldwide church of god had held.

And he led the group to embrace trinitarianism.

The astonishing thing to me is that the entirety of southern california evangelicalism

Immediately embraced them as

a jehovah.

Whitman obviously does not know the lord denying the deity of christ.

Just because he changes his

does not make him a christian.

There's lots of trinitarians who are not believers in christ, right?

And and yet the evangelical community.

Any apparent discernment of any kind worldwide church of god

and without anything approaching, you know.

A grace movement taking place.

They just changed one point of theology and that made them okay with everybody.

Well, we are going to our first break and when we come back from the first break i'd like you to

Provide for us a summary of your salvation testimony and then we will move on to the main theme at hand.

I would love to.

Uh that we are going to be discussing today.

Your book your new book the church of jesus christ 28 truths.

Every christian ought to learn.

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This is chris arnzen.

If you just tuned us in.

Our guest today is dr. John s waldrop pastor of calvary road baptist church in

monrovia, california founder of cal classical baptist press.

And host of the daily radio broadcast according to thy word.

We are going to be discussing His latest book today the church of jesus christ 28 truths Every

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personal private matter.

And uh one of the things that I found fascinating giving a Uh

an overview of your of your own personal Biography before the

broadcast is that you were raised on an indian reservation.

Yes.

In fact, there are many reformed baptists who refer to montville, new jersey as the holy land.

Yeah, but i'm sorry.

My uh, my father, uh went to college on the gi bill.

A large

numbers in the

state of texas

work in various positions in the bureau of indian affairs across the united states.

My dad's first position was as a teacher in a one -room school,

dakota.

Where my dad taught for a couple of years?

He had an opportunity to meet the last the battle

of wounded knee.

Wow, and the last living survivor of the battle of the little bighorn

got born and we moved to Another indian

reservation in south but after that we moved

to where my story begins my spiritual story

because in the summer of 1956 on the last indian reservation in the united states

where they kept Army soldiers deal with

the only white

kid

cheryl

milieu.

I was one of these kids that bounced off the walls.

And i've been medicated.

I'm sure I was a

hyperactive

my dad

taking us

and I was wondering why.

The only reason

I let this guy witness to me.

Was she was

and it wasn't the fact that she was the most beautiful woman

i'd ever seen.

Radiant

and something tells me you're in the doghouse tonight with your own wife.

No, I know.

She she's heard this story so many times and uh.

Spiritual

laws in engineering school,

california.

Started working in el segundo spy satellites

and and all those kinds of things.

Uh had their their engineering operations and I and I worked on the design of a spy

satellite there to commit sin.

A year and a half

housing one evening on the beach

monday morning and I said, hey man, that was great.

Let's do that again.

And he said to me.

No, i'm not going to be doing

that long as I wow.

My immediate reaction to

tony

was at the

moment.

And late at night, I I I have that my mother gave me when I

graduated.

Why in the world would you give me this.

Just thought you might want one?

I Why?

Years later i'm reading the bible.

I read the next night.

Did the

lamb have to

die.

A flood of memories?

From 17 years early the first time.

The names of the two women who taught the vacation bible school miss peabody and miss ruff.

I remembered that they came from

camp

john 129.

I remembered the ram of god which taketh away

the sin.

I immediately Recognized

I am no need to convince

strange from

somehow god fit together.

The spirit of god illuminated my understanding such that I recognized that the old testimony

figured the reality.

That I got up from my chair walked into my

Praise god had somebody had somebody been there a fly on the wall would have

been breathing heavy in his chair.

Thought

to myself.

Did something happen to me last night?

And I thought to myself.

Well, if something really happened, I went to work.

I was one of these guys.

I was what's called a member of the technical staff at use aircraft company.

Which meant no time card pun could do anything.

I wanted to as the design engineer.

And what I typically did was

from the space area all

left at hermosa beach.

Our testimonies sound a lot alike.

And without the aerospace.

Yeah that day Instead of instead of going, you know for my liquid lunch diet.

I I walked into sleep and aware

Of a bible study being going but I went in there sat down.

He's here.

Because I was uh.

Allowed up

their monday

routine was to go around the table giving testimonies about what they're

uh.

When it got to me a guy said, uh, so john, do you have anything to say the leader and I said, uh,

yeah.

Um, I think I became one of you guys yesterday.

Wow.

I could muster well, do you?

Chris do you allow vulgarisms on your show phase

is after the bible study?

I went back to my desk and and my best and he

stood over me in a in a very dumb.

He pointed to a christian.

Are you one of them now?

This is a significant time in my life.

I have no idea what really happened.

I think I kind of get an idea, but I thought I need to respond strongly and

affirmatively.

So I said you're darn right.

I am but I didn't use the word darn.

Right.

Yeah, we usually only allow vulgarisms when we're interviewing lutherans.

So he laughed at the engineering

labyrinth, he said what an

enjoyable way.

Well what immediately cut me off.

Every single one of them invitation to

whatever happened man because I

I got cut off from a wicked lifestyle.

So amen.

Praise god, by the way, uh.

There is another similarity.

Or at least connection between you and I is that my father harry spent his

entire adult life in the aerospace industry.

Uh, my dad passed in 1998.

But uh, he in the 60s.

Uh, perhaps even earlier than that.

In fact, I know it was earlier than that was long before the 60s that he began working at republic

aviation.

On long island.

Yeah, and he my father designed the thrust reverse which now every jet Has to

enable it to land.

My father then after uh working for republic.

Beginning in the in the 60s and and continuing through the 70s.

Uh, he worked for grumman aviation.

Grumman aerospace.

Yes, and he was on the team that designed the lunar module.

Wow, and I can even still remember that there was something extra special about.

Uh the moon landing when I was a little boy.

Watching it on the black and white tv with my brother.

I can still even remember we were eating tater tots.

But uh.

But so and then my father before his retirement.

Worked for sikorsky helicopter in connecticut.

Oh, wow, wonderful with two old guys.

Wow.

Before

we go to the middle way break and then continue with your book theme.

Uh, I was just curious what it was like growing up on the indian reservation with the native american children

and Uh, just was curious if you ever Returned to any of those reservations with the gospel.

Just just give us more of a detailed explanation or description of the of life as a child in an indian

reservation.

Yeah, uh the indian reservation human being to live

statesman because.

Every sovereign indian nations

toward

native america.

The result of that is is they live in a

nativity and individual

the tribal police

are instructed.

Do not take a drunk indian into when they

when they await suicide.

If you

have to avoid when they

wake up and sober up.

They drop them off at

their house on

virtuaries that went

there opportunity of knowing of

those to

the united states Arms

to war they were never a conquered people.

And they have never they have

never uh more treaties.

So the united states is what

everyone else tremendous

amount of history.

One of the things that is not recognized today is is

from the

uh, the

presbytery

were large numbers of native americans.

Christ

christ in the person of one

ethnic begins to worship and serve god with someone of a radically different

ethnic group.

Uh, you get to liking those people you get to loving those people and your kids

end up marrying their

case.

Why?

Because they did not maintain their ethnic identity.

They mixed and mingled with the gentiles the same kind of thing happened to native

americans.

They came to know christ.

They were welcomed with open arms in in churches of the

native american and and the kids

and they married each other and that kind of.

And i've i've always been convinced that the only

Is the grace of god.

Amen.

And and these guys are examples of of grace.

So yeah

Reservations, but frequently they don't stick the renewing

of the mind that god promises to they become

entrepreneurial.

You know like uh after the protestant reformation the right I think with.

Amen, uh poor people coming to christ.

God renews their mind.

They they uh, they begin

Right affirmation northern

europe and scotland and england.

But to the american middle class that we have today Is the result of a turning away from god's word

if you want to see romans chapter one being right?

You see you see people who are living in in Ways that are inexplicable.

And it's sad.

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Of grace to you inviting everybody to come to the g3 conference.

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Before we return to our guest today Dr. John S. Waldrop.

We have just a couple of important announcements to make regarding special events that are coming up that I hope

That you will Join me in attending.

The first one is coming up very soon.

This is the doctrines of grace conference being hosted by long island spurgeon

fellowship a number of churches on long island new york Who have affirmed the

historic teachings of the church and in particular the doctrines of sovereign

grace and each of those or a number of those Pastors of those

churches will be speaking at the doctrines of grace conference at hope reform baptist church in quorum long

island new york.

The sessions include god sovereignty Total depravity unconditional election

limited atonement perseverance of the saints is calvinism biblical.

And a question and answer session with the audience.

And if you would like to join me there, I intend to be there November 1st and 2nd.

That's a friday and saturday go to reformed rookie .com

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I hope to see you there Friday and saturday november 1st and 2nd quorum long island at hope

reform baptist church.

Then coming up in december thursday and friday december 19th and 20th I

am going to be god willing attending the foundations conference a conference of sermon audio .com

In the heart of manhattan my old stomping grounds and this is always a phenomenal

conference.

I love this conference.

Uh, and the lineup of speakers is outstanding.

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tamasian who I keep reminding you I believe strongly will be a household name amongst reformed christians over the next decade.

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But with gifts and abilities and biblical wisdom far beyond his age.

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Remember I told you first here on iron sharpens iron radio that he Will become a household name and i'm not a prophet.

That's just an educated guess.

Uh, but uh rich richard colwell jr.

And andrew quigley are also on the lineup.

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If you want to join me there at the foundations conference in new york city december 19th and 20th.

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This is a conference only for men in ministry leadership.

They can only fit less than 200 people in the venue where they have this conference.

So If you are a man in ministry leadership, you are qualified to attend then in

january From the 16th through the 18th, that's thursday through saturday

I will be once again, uh at god willing the g3 conference.

This will be my fourth g3 conference in a row.

In atlanta, georgia more specifically college park, georgia at the georgia international convention center.

This is a truly breathtaking and amazing and profound conference with the

longest roster of speakers i've ever experienced at a conference.

And every single one of the speakers is absolutely superb.

We have once again, dr Stephen j lawson speaking we have the founder of the g3 conference josh

bice and if you have never heard josh bice preach you've got to Go to uh sermon

audio or his church website.

And hear him preach the church's praise mill baptist church and praise is spelt pray apostrophe

s praise mill baptist church in douglasville, georgia.

He is Outstanding my friend.

Dr. James r white of alpha omega ministries phil johnson uh, the executive director of

grace to you the media media ministry of john macarthur and by the way Phil has been interviewed on this program

iron sharpens iron radio more than any other person in the history of our broadcast.

Another friend of mine, uh, todd friel who I love to interview.

He is the founder and host of wretched tv and wretched radio.

He will be speaking Uh pastor derek thomas the world -renowned presbyterian author

preacher teacher and conference speaker uh, my friend, dr. Tom askew the executive

director of Founders ministries the calvinistic ministry in the southern baptist convention who you just heard on this

program very recently.

He's been Interviewed quite a number of times here as well.

Uh, we have stephen j nichols the president of reformation bible college the college founded by the late rc

sprawl and ligonier ministries costy hen the nephew of the notorious

charlatan and heretic benny hen.

And costy has renounced his uncle and his heresies.

And has made it a mission in life to expose the dangerous deceptive and damning and

deadly Uh doctrines of the word of faith movement.

Uh, costy hen is now a reformed baptist pastor.

And unlike what you heard james white say, uh, the location of the church is california

uh, that is uh past tense.

Costy has just recently Taken the call to a church in arizona where he now pastors.

And as I said, he's a reformed baptist and a cessationist and there are many more on this roster more

than I have time to list but Uh, I have to remind you that the latest edition

Is dr. John macarthur himself and I would go to this conference if it was only john macarthur

speaking.

I can't wait to be there again thursday through saturday january 16th through the 18th.

In.

Atlanta, georgia, or should I say college park georgia at the georgia international convention center right near the airport.

And uh, I strongly urge you folks if you have a business a parachurch organization

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They're going to have over 6 000 people there because of the addition of john macarthur.

That's a that's just an educated guess.

It's not a prophecy.

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Dr. John s wall drip.

Our our topic.

I already know that we are going to have to have john back.

To address the main theme the church of jesus christ.

28 truths every christian ought to learn.

Because we have been having such a great time exploring his testimony and other things.

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Uh, we have a listener question from grady uh in ashboro, north

carolina.

Very faithful and loyal listener to iron trip and siren radio and also a very generous contributor to

this broadcast Grady says since your book is about church.

Did any of the indian reservations have denominational churches or were they all native american?

And was the gospel taught.

In uh in the

in north and south dakota the first missionaries

Preaching ministries were very much late comers to those indian reservations.

In uh in the among the cherokees and choctaws of

louisiana, oklahoma to

be baptists.

Many people are not

aware in place.

Into alabama to the

indian tribe.

So yeah, there

are many.

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Uh, we have bb in cumberland county, pennsylvania who says I heard your guest describing the

worldwide church of god earlier.

And although what he said may have been true at one time The group has definitely

abandoned a work salvation Doctrine and i have met

Worldwide church of god pastors the group now goes by another name the communion of christ.

And they have the ones that I have met have Taught salvation by

grace alone through faith alone.

So I just wanted to put my two cents in about that.

Uh, yeah, you know, I can say that uh That I know a couple of men in

that were in the worldwide church of god.

I don't believe that they are in that group anymore uh, but believe it or not

the On long island one of the local congregations of the worldwide church of god where I used to live.

Uh, they after They adopted the the trinitarian doctrine.

They actually invited My dear friend reformed baptist apologist james r white to conduct

a conference on the trinity at that congregation multiple day conference.

And that was a historic event for that denomination to have anybody from the outside do that.

Whether or not they were.

Uh.

Biblically orthodox.

When they did that I think that you probably would accept any invitation.

To preach as long as you were not told that you could not.

Say certain things as long as you weren't restricted.

I'm sure you would preach anywhere that they invited you wouldn't that wouldn't you?

Oh, yes, absolutely.

I uh was

raised in

orthodox and made

a pile of money.

And

he was

quite.

Denominational groups.

So we need to educate and inform congregations.

And I totally agreed with.

So one day he called me up and I

said Not

know what to do.

To the synagogue on wilshire boulevard in

los angeles.

I was there on a saturday night after the sabbath was over.

Rightful people who were mostly

Hungarian jews.

Wow, every single one of them had a tattoo on their left wrist.

Wow.

That's a holocaust survivor.

Yes, absolutely.

And and I told him I said look, I don't know what to say

to you folks.

90 minutes.

They uh, they

expect to

explain why and what's the

difference between

a christian

then?

Amen, so this was

the manner in which the

truly honest.

Why did

jesus in

the

bible?

It's all I could do to keep from shouting hallelujah.

You are of the opinion.

That each of us needs jesus as our

savior.

That would be the crucial question.

Wow dissipated that uh about a year earlier.

Who became honey

moon, but he was arrested.

And he

died.

Jdl.

And he said yeah, he immediately asked me.

So what do you have to say about bailey smith saying that jews need to be converted to

nehemiah prayers, right?

You know lord help me if my mother needs jesus you

need jesus.

Ha ha ha.

Amen, and he took it and he took it.

Wow.

Well praise god later.

I'm at the i'm at the synagogue and

there needs jesus.

And my mother does.

Then you need jesus.

And you do wow, they took it.

It was it was wonderful, by the way, I

said, yeah.

He said that was monica.

Lewinsky's synagogue.

Wow, I said well, what do you know?

I'm glad you didn't tell me that before.

Ha ha ha ha.

So it was I and and you know, heaven only know when I get to heaven

whether a wonderful opportunity.

Amen, and i'm sure that you are just joking that you would have gladly preached the gospel the monica lewinsky.

And uh,.

President bill clinton and every.

The only reason i'm glad I didn't know ahead of time was it in my thought.

Yeah, yeah.

Uh, let's see here.

We oh, baby, you've won a free copy of the church of jesus christ 28 truths.

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Please give us your mailing address.

And cj and lennon and hearst long island, new york.

Uh just wanted to quickly, uh, mention you said before that you couldn't remember the current

President of the worldwide church of god.

It is joseph tkach jr.

And chris made an error when he said it was the communion of christ.

It's grace communion international.

That's right.

That's right.

Thank you cj for that correction uh, and by the way, uh The last I

have interviewed on the old show uh, joseph tkach jr but the last

conversation I had with them, I was troubled by some of The aberrant views of the

leadership.

Uh, I don't know if they made them official doctrine or not, but they believed in post -mortem conversions.

Uh, uh, they have adopted at least back then they may have changed they have adopted quaker mysticism

and they were joseph tkach himself was notable notably

anti -calvinist uh, and I even said to I said to him off the air now that

The group has such freedom and you don't have a cultic kind of grip on

the The ministers or the congregants are there any calvinists springing up among you and he said

This was off the air.

He said, uh, not if I can help it.

Yeah.

Well, you know, I

rededicated my life in my

my life I know I

I know I

didn't believe that

amen.

Truth does not make you a believer right?

In fact to be the miracle of the new birth.

Do you do you know, uh, or should I say did you know the late richard bennett?

No, I did not.

Yeah, richard bennett was a very close personal friend of mine the founder of berean beacon ministries.

Who was a former roman catholic priest.

Who?

Became a reformed baptist evangelist and author.

Wrote at least one book.

Maybe two for the banner of truth and had others self -published.

But he was a remarkable.

A preacher evangelist who was very strict in his opposition to roman catholicism and yet

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loving and compassionate towards the lost souls that adhered to the Teachings of the

catholicism as I once did.

I was born and raised in a catholic home.

But richard you something you just said reminded me of a classic statement by richard.

When he was speaking against the altar calls and evangelical churches and he said

What's this nonsense about you coming to christ in true saving faith by going into an

altar call?

And accepting him into your heart.

There's nothing in the bible that says accept the lord into your heart.

I accepted him into my heart my mouth and my stomach at the holy eucharist and I was never saved.

Yes, I I totally agree.

And that has been a theme of my ministry for decades and

you're you're full of

what used to be the worldwide church of god.

That would be a wonderful wonderful thing.

Yes, and by the way, if our listeners could not detect I was attempting an irish

accent.

My friend richard bennett was born and raised in ireland.

And became a roman catholic priest where he was a priest in The west indies for

quite a long time and then returned to the united states as a born -again believer and reformed baptist

evangelist.

He just went home to be with the lord a few weeks ago.

So pray for the Pray for the family of richard bennett.

Your your irish accent is good, but I don't think you'll make a living at it.

Or I don't think I could survive In ireland without perhaps getting punched in the nose if I

tried that.

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And I know that we already said that we have to have you back on The broadcast to continue the discussion that

we actually never really entered The Church of Jesus Christ 28 truths every Christian ought to learn.

It was still a fascinating conversation that we've had.

But I think an excellent question to ask you before we go off the air.

Is from Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania?

He said what would be the five? vital elements that a church

possesses in order for a.

Honorable and Bible -obeying Christian

to join

it

that knows what to do with

people after they come to Christ.

You know the one of the great regrets out was that he recognized

for the end of his life that he had neglected the penning of the sheep

PENNING for his flock to be gathered and so

the independent

fundamental

their view of Evangelism.

Few people actually get saved but lots of people make.

What needs to happen is a person comes to Christ and then a person

becomes a member of a congregation and then begin begins a lifelong

journey of Growing and being a disciple

of Christ.

Once they do they seek to ascertain whether or not the

people they preach.

You know one of the

the common practice in the American colonies.

Almost every profession in the world.

It used to

be he

ministered to

people on an

individual

thing.

How in the world is somebody know what that

parade.

Lee just okay.

It doesn't cost anything to smile.

It doesn't cost anything to be gentle and and in the milieu.

Militant busy serving.

God they didn't have to.

They were the

kindest gentle.

When I began dealing with these.

Race and being away from Finney's brand.

He said well, you know, I always make sure that people are saved before

and I said, okay Jim.

How do you do that?

He said I always ask a per se.

Yeah, I said but Jim who's gonna say.

I said No, you don't.

You don't ask him those kinds of questions.

You ask him

cool when he rose from

the

just

now

recognized that there are more than 120 verses in the New Testament that locate

Jesus at the right hand of the Father.

That's kind of important.

What do you do with it?

Do you listen to them?

Do you get feedback from them?

Do you seek them?

And I'm sorry, we're gonna have to end it there.

And if you have any more next time we have you on the program will go through the other signs or the other

doctrines or things that the church needs to possess and Those 28 things that every Christian should know.

Just want to remind you folks that kept the Calvary Road Baptist Church website is Calvary Road

Baptist church.

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I want to thank you so much.

Dr. Waldrop for being our guest today.

I want to thank everybody who listened and wrote in questions.

Well, you always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.