Matt Slick Live: November 14, 2024

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Show Introduction and Call-In Information

All right, everyone, welcome to the show. You're listening to Matt Slick Live, and I'm your host, Matt Slick. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do, as usual, is dial 877 -207 -2276. I want to hear from you.

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I do it every now and then. I call it depreschatology, but, oh, by the way, this is for the podcasters, for the dates. Today is November 14th, 2024. All right, now we've got, let's see, we've got everything in there, okay.

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That's just how it is. I'm going to do a sound check another time, figure that out, I'm not sure, because it should be good. And I did check, everything looks like it's good, so I'm not sure what's going on.

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I'm not going to, well, yeah, I got some things in the work, but it's hard to work. It's hard to do it, because it takes time, a lot of effort. I wish we had somebody, hint, hint, whose job it was, was to just try and get the radio show out there, because there are a lot of stations that, just some place, they just need filler time, the Christian stations.

They go, here, just take the show, you know, put it on, you know, you have to pay us just to, there it is, we would do that, that'd be great. We also want to get live shows, want to get a lot of live stuff in more stations, I'd like to do that.

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I always have to go in and check. We're down to 75, oh, that is good, and the only reason we're down to 75 is because we have a guy and a team who answer emails. I just can't keep up with everything. Does that sound whiny?

I can't keep up with everything.

Boy, I can't, there's just so much to do. It's good, though, you know, it's good. I'm almost 68, and I'm just, I'm working as hard as ever. Most people are retired by now, but not me, you know, I don't know.

I just got too much to do. Hey, let's get to Patrick from Charlotte, North Carolina. Patrick, welcome, you're on the air.

John 6:39, John 17:12, and the Question of the Elect

Hello, Matt, I talked to you last week about John 6 -37, all the Father gives me will come to me. My question is in John 6 -39, who is he referring to?

He says there, this is the will of him who sent me, that of all he's given me, I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. So as you were saying that these were the 12 disciples, but that would be Judas included, but Judas was lost.

But Jesus says the will of the Father is that Jesus not lose any, so it could not have been that he was talking about the disciples. It has to do with the elect who were given to him, okay?

Yeah, but in John 17 -12, it says, while I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe. He was speaking about the 12 apostles, and the Bible actually cross-references to John 6 -39. So would that be fair to say that...

Why is it you don't read the whole thing? In John 17 -12, while I was with them, he's praying to God the Father. He says, I was keeping them in your name, which you have given me, and I guarded them, and not one of them perished, but the son of perdition, so that the scripture would be fulfilled.

So this is ordained from the foundation of the world, that Judas be lost. So he wasn't given to the son for safekeeping, because the son can't lose any.

But in John 17 -12, isn't he not referring to the 12 apostles?

Yes, he is. And notice what Jesus himself says. Let's go over it again. He says, none perished, but the son of perdition. He's classified as someone who is a son of perdition. That's not one of the ones given by the Father to the son for safekeeping.

Because Jesus says in John 6 -37, all that the Father gives me will come to me. The one who comes to me, I certainly will not cast out. But Jesus casted out Judas. When he said, go out, go. And he was talking about him going into the darkness to go out and betray Jesus.

So you have to look at the whole of scripture.

What?

Like I said last week, Mark 3 -13 says, I was on a mountainside, I chose the ones I wanted, and they came for me. Talking about the apostles, correct?

Yes.

Look, you deny the Trinity, right? Let me just get to it. We've talked so many times. Look, you deny the Trinity, right?

Yes, I don't believe in the Trinity,.

But the point is, you believe that...

And you also deny that Jesus Christ is God in flesh, right?

Yes, he's the Word of God today.

Okay, now look, we could talk about stuff. See, I've talked to you about these kind of things before, and this is what happens with us, with our conversations. I show you, I give you an answer, you then ignore the answer, and then you continue on, and you continue like a dog to vomit, returning to the vomit.

This is what you do. I'm trying to warn you what's coming for you. You have to understand something. Because you deny the true God, and because you deny the true Christ, therefore, the fires of hell are waiting for you.

And you have to understand something. Nothing but the mercy of God is letting you still live in your blasphemies and your desire to deny who God truly is. You have to understand that his mercy upon you is great.

His mercy upon you is great. You need to trust in him. So let me work with you a little bit. Does Jesus forgive sins? Watch this, Patrick. Does Jesus forgive sins? Does he forgive sins?

Does he?

Patrick, Patrick, Patrick, Patrick.

Jesus has all authority in heaven and earth, Matthew 28, 18. Do you agree that he has all authority in heaven and earth? Do you agree?

Yes.

Okay, good. So the answer is yes. Jesus says in John 14, 14, ask me anything in my name and I will do it. That's what he says in John 14, 14. Do you accept that? That what Jesus said?

Yeah. Good.

So if he has all authority, if he has all authority in heaven and earth, and he forgives sins,. Luke 5, 20 and Luke 7, 48. So you acknowledge that he forgives sins, and he has all authority. Do you acknowledge that?

Yes.

Good.

Good.

So I just asked, I just asked if you acknowledged it. I didn't ask anything else. So you acknowledge it. Now here's the thing. Do you pray to Jesus, like Jesus said, ask me anything in my name to forgive you of all of your sins?

Have you done that? Have you done that?

What do you mean?

Patrick, have you asked Jesus, have you asked Jesus to forgive you of all of your sins? Have you prayed to Jesus and asked him?

Have you?

Well, he baptized me with the Holy Spirit.

Okay, I didn't ask that. I asked Patrick, Patrick, Patrick, have you prayed, Patrick, Patrick, have you prayed to Jesus and asked Jesus to forgive you of all of your sins?

They're already forgiven,.

Because I was born again. I didn't ask that. Patrick, I'm going to ask you, this is what happens, ladies and gentlemen, to the cult mind. You do the same thing over and over and over and over again. Sorry, but this wasn't necessary.

Now, watch this. Okay, listen now. Patrick, Jesus said to ask him. You acknowledge that. You acknowledge he has all authority and that he forgives sins. So, I'm asking you if you have gone to Jesus, who has all authority to forgive sins, and asked him to forgive you of your sins.

Have you done that?

Yes, he's done that to me, yes.

So, no, I didn't ask if he's done that to you. I asked a question. Have you prayed to the person of Jesus and asked Jesus to forgive you of all of your sins? Have you done that?

Okay, so what you're saying is you have to ask Jesus.

Okay, Patrick. I didn't say you had to. I said, have you.

Have you.

Have you asked Jesus to forgive you of all of your sins like Jesus says?

That's not the question.

Yes, it is.

Let's finish up the original question.

I'm asking you the question.

Patrick. Answer.

Patrick, the reason this is important. Patrick, the reason this. Patrick, Patrick the reason this is important is because the true Jesus is in the Bible. Jesus reveals the Father. He's the one who reveals the Father to us.

And Jesus, and that's Matthew 11, 27. And Jesus and the Father send the Holy Spirit. That's John 15, 26 and 14, 26. If you want to have the Holy Spirit who bears witness of truth and you want to have the Father you have to go to Christ who reveals the Father and both of them then send the Holy Spirit who bears witness of truth.

So, here's the thing. If you have the true Jesus you can do what they did in the Bible with the true Jesus. The true Jesus is prayed to in the Bible. Jesus even said ask me anything in my name and I will do it.

And in Acts 7, 55 -60 Stephen was being stoned he had a vision of God and he addressed Jesus and said Jesus, receive my spirit. The Jesus of the Bible is prayed to. Do you pray to Jesus?

I came here to ask you a question about John 6, 39.

I already answered you the question. I answered the question. I answered it. I'm getting to. What I'm showing you is that you do not have you do not have the truth because you don't know who Christ is.

You don't know.

Proverbs 26, 11.

John.

Proverbs 26 Proverbs 26 Proverbs 26, 11. Like a dog that returns to its vomit is a fool who repeats.

His folly.

This is you because you're being a fool because you are denying who Christ is and you're not even affirming what he said to do. I've shown you in the scriptures and you deny. Jesus says ask me.

You're not even doing that.

You don't even know who he is. We've got a break so hold on buddy. We'll get back to some more after this. Lord Jesus will be right back. Lord Jesus please save him. And folks we'll be right back after these messages.

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John 6:37-40 and the Will of the Father

Alright, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call it's easy. 877 -207 -2276 877 -207 -2276. Let's get back on with Patrick. Are you still there?

Yeah, I'm here. Okay.

You keep going back.

Can I ask you one more question?

You just keep making so many mistakes Patrick. So many.

Answer the one question. John 6 39 is not referring to the apostles but to you because you're telling me that's a salvational verse that you cannot lose your salvation. Is that correct?

Yeah, because Jesus says all that he's been given he won't lose any. That's the will of the Father. Are you saying Jesus failed.

To do the will of the Father?

It's the will of him who sent me. That all that he's given me, he'd lose none. Are you saying Jesus failed to do.

The will of the Father? John 17 5 says he will protect the apostles and keep them safe. And that references if you use a study bible it'll take you back to John 6 39. So you're wrong.

That is speaking about the apostles.

That he will not lose.

Okay, so are you saying Jesus failed to do the will of the Father?

I'm saying that Calvinists believe that that's a salvational verse that you can never lose your salvation but they're wrong because it's the apostles Jesus will not lose.

So are you saying that Jesus failed to do the will of the Father, that he lost some?

I'm saying that Calvinists when they say about the elect, they're wrong. There was nobody elected.

At the beginning of time.

I get what you say about Calvinists and election, but I'm asking you this question about the verse you brought up. See, Jesus says this is the will of him who sent me, that all that he's given me, I lose nothing.

But raise it up on the last day. So, so, so, so, hey Patrick, Patrick hold on, Patrick,.

Patrick, are you saying Jesus failed to do the will of the Father?

I'm saying that in Acts 1 4 5 Did Jesus.

Fail to do the will of the Father? From your perspective.

Did he fail?

Wait a minute, so then.

You said no, and the will of the Father that he lose none, did Jesus.

Lose any? Right, the apostles.

Did Jesus lose any of the apostles?

No.

Okay, good, so he didn't lose any, so then.

He lost himself.

Oh, well he lost himself. Oh, okay, so when it says Hey Patrick, Patrick, Patrick, Patrick, you need to calm down. Okay, you don't listen and you are so full of heresy and so full of demonic doctrine that you can't even see straight.

You need to listen.

I should say the same thing to you because you're a Calvinist.

You're mixed up. So listen, Jesus says all that the Father gives me will come to me. Now you see, that's the disciples. And the one who comes to me...

Not the disciples, the apostles.

Okay, whatever, I had to get rid of them folks. Because he just can't be quiet and he can't just, you know, listen. He's got to over talk constantly. So I just dropped him, okay, he'll have to learn. So let's go over this verse, this section of Scripture.

I'll show you some stuff in it, John 6, 37.

So this is what it says.

Humble Clay says,.

Patrick's been smoking too many lucky charms.

It says, all that the Father gives me will come to me. And the one who comes to me, I certainly will not cast out. Now this is really interesting. I want to talk about this because he brought up the idea of Calvinism.

And what is Calvinism? Calvinism teaches that God from eternity decided what would happen. That God is the one who elected and chose people out of Ephesians 1, 4. It says He chose us in Him, in Christ, before the foundation of the world that we would be holy and blameless.

And He predestined us. That's what it says in Ephesians 1, 4 and 5. That's what Calvinism teaches because that's what it says. So, what he's done, he brought it up. Let's go to the verse. We'll look at verses, John 6, 37 through 40.

This will be interesting stuff. Watch this. Jesus says, all that the Father gives me will come to me. And the one who comes to me, I certainly will not cast out. Now, some people don't like this verse that the Reformed people will use because what they'll say is well, they just assume that the five points of Calvinism or Reformed theology is just all evil and bad, blah, blah, blah.

And so, when I bring up this pericope of Scripture, this pericope, they will say a lot of times, they'll say, listen, disciples, let's work with that. All that the disciples gives me will come to me. And the disciples who come to me, I certainly will not cast out.

Let's just use this position. For I've come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. Oh, okay. And what is the will? This is the will of him who sent me, that all that he's given me, I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.

So, if that's the disciples, this is the will of him who sent me, that all the disciples he's given me, I lose none. Now, what do they do? Just what he said. Well, he lost.

Himself. Okay.

So, it's just a game. It's a word game. So, the will of the father is that Jesus not lose any. That's the will of the father. So, if they lose themselves, did Jesus lose them? And what they're going to do is say, no, he didn't do the losing.

They lost themselves. So, wait a minute. So, how does someone themselves do the losing? It doesn't make any sense. These people just can't see straight. So, the issue is not between the people and Jesus.

Notice this. This is important. It's between the father and the son. That's the issue right here. This is what verse 37 says. All that the father gives me will come to me. Jesus is saying, those who the father has given me, they're going to come to me.

And he, the one who comes to me, I will not cast out. Okay. This is about the father and son. For I have come down from heaven not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. This is about Jesus talking about the will of the father as it relates to him.

This is the will of him who sent me. This is Jesus talking about his relationship with the father. That's what's going on here. He says, all that he has given me, I lose none. That's what he's saying.

God has given him, the father has given him to me, I'm going to lose none. That's what he's saying. Then he also says, for this is the will of my father. He says it twice. This is the, verse 39, this is the will of him who sent me.

And then verse 40, this is the will of my father. So, he's saying this is the will. The will in verse 39 is that all he's given me, I lose none, but raise it up on the last day. So, he's saying the will of the father is that Jesus not lose any and resurrect them.

So, the will of the father is that they be resurrected. Now, if someone says, well, wait a minute, look at this, they can lose themselves, then they won't be resurrected, will they? Now, we're talking about resurrection and glory here, that's what we're talking about.

So, they won't be resurrected to glory, right? Because they lost themselves, but the will is that Jesus raised that person up. All of.

Them have been given by the father.

Furthermore, in verse 40, this is the will of the father that everyone who beholds the son and believes in him, is that just the 12 disciples? No, it's not. Everyone who beholds and believes in the son will have eternal life and I myself will raise him up on the last day.

What's he talking about? He's not talking about 12 disciples. He's talking about all that the father would give him, all.

All that the father.

Gives him, all of the ones who would believe, this is the will of my father, that everyone who beholds the son and believes in him will have eternal life, all. Does that mean just the disciples? Of course not.

And I myself will raise him up on the last day. You see, that's what Jesus is teaching. It's not about him getting 12 disciples.

It's.

Ludicrous for people to like him to hold that position. And by the way, folks, when I said he's like a dog returning to his vomit, I was quoting Proverbs 26 11. Like a dog that returns to its vomit is a fool who repeats his folly.

That's what's going on, okay? So, and Peter talks about this too. And we'll get back to that after the break. I'm going to go to that and we'll get to Alex from Florida. But I'm going to go to this quote that Peter uses right after the break.

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2 Peter 2:20-22 and the Dog Returning to Its Vomit

Well, Robert, welcome back to the show. And let me get to the last part of what we're talking about there. Proverbs 26 11, which Peter talks about. Let me get to this really quickly. We'll get to Alex from Florida.

It says here in 2 Peter 2, 20 -22, for if after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Jesus Christ, by the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again, if they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last days become worse than the first.

It doesn't mean they're saved. It means that they've come to know, because Peter's writing to the Jews, who Christ is. And they have gone back to the old ways. He says, for it is better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed to them.

And it says then, it has happened to them, according to the true proverb, a dog returns with its own vomit, and a sow after washing returns to wallowing in the mire. So, there you go. And unfortunately, Patrick is a guy I've talked to, I don't know how many times,.

Many, many,.

Many times, in different contexts. Not just here on the radio, but other online things. And he's hard-hearted. And so, sometimes, he's going to change your tactic, and tell them what the truth is. Let's get to Alex from Florida.

Alex, welcome. You're on the air,.

Man.

Oh, hey. How's it going?

It's going, man. How are you doing?

It's good. I'm good. The baby's asleep. So, hey.

You sound tired.

Well, I'm mostly tired because I'm writing a paper against Roman.

Catholicism. Oh, that's easy. There's so much to write on. So, what's.

Up? No, yeah.

So,.

I was just talking to your buddy Andrew. I was just talking to your buddy Andrew.

Okay.

He's doing well. He's making fun of you.

Hey, who cares about him? He's just a loser.

I know. I know. Why do we even talk.

To that guy? Yeah, I mean, sheesh. I mean, come on.

So,.

What do you got, man?

No.

So, yeah. So, we were talking about Roman Catholicism a little bit. He actually told me how on your cruise, you brought up, you found in the Catechism where it says that we can become gods in Roman Catholicism.

Yes.

Can you read that really quick and then I'll ask my question?

Sure. I've got to find it. Hold on. Might make men gods. That's paragraph 460. For the Son of God became man so that we might become God. The only begotten Son of God wanting to make us sharers in His divinity assumed our nature so that He made men might make men gods.

Do you believe that we can become gods? That's the question. So, here's the thing. I've written on this. I wrote a specific article on this, on paragraph 460, because in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, before and after, there's nothing that says we can't become actual gods.

Now, what they're doing is quoting church fathers. And church fathers say, yeah, we can become gods. But they're not saying we'd actually become divine, but become godlike in our sanctification. It's kind of like Eastern Orthodoxy.

In what's called Theosis.

That's what I said to Andrew. I was like, it's so similar to Eastern Orthodoxy. Uh-huh. Yeah.

Now, here's the thing. Because the Catholic Church is so apostate, it's so bad, I wonder if the devil worked through the Vatican, which I was just in three weeks ago, worked in there to put this in for something later on so that as man is exalted, as Catholicism does, we can obtain salvation through our own righteousness, our own deeds, our own works, and things like that.

That I wonder if they're going to keep going and make me godlike. So who knows?

It's so blasphemous, that statement. I just learned it. It's just so blasphemous.

You've got to understand, they don't believe you actually become gods. They deny that. The question is, why is it said in there and then not clarified? That's the question.

Why is it not clarified? You should have asked the Pope when you were in Rome.

I was looking for him. I was looking for the Pope. I would have asked him some questions. Let me ask you. Suddenly, he's walking around the corner. There he is. He says,.

Hello, how are you?

Can I ask one question? He says, I've got time for one question. What would you ask?

Do you actually believe you are the vicar of Christ?

He'd say yes.

That's pretty good.

Are you saying you're... Then I would rebuke him to his face. I'd say, you're going to hell, sir.

I would try this. One's better or not, but are all of your sins forgiven right now?

Yeah, I know. You told me that. That's a good one.

I think it is.

As he says no, he walks away. Do you want to hear the gospel? I can tell you what the gospel is. Your sins could be forgiven right now as he's walking away.

Anyway.

That's a good one. My question is about this infusion of grace you've spoken about regarding their position of justification. Can you explain that a little bit and why that's wrong and some scriptures to counteract that?

Sure. It's called sacerdotalism, which is also synonymous with sacramentalism. Sacerdotalism talks about a priesthood's authority and sacraments mean that the sacred things the church has ordained, they have the power to administer grace.

In paragraph 1999 of the Catechism, it says that grace is infused into the soul. This is how salvation, justification and all that works in Catholicism. What happens is the person is going to the study classes and he wants to become a Catholic.

Now he's going to get baptized. When he gets baptized, right then and there, all of his sins are forgiven. Original sin, everything is taken care of right at that moment of baptism. Not faith, but baptism.

If he died right there, then he would go to heaven, straight to heaven because he's in a complete state of grace. What that means is that his soul has, with the baptism, all the sin is removed and he's infused with his soul completely and totally with grace, 100%.

Boom! He dies, he goes to heaven, right there. Now let's just say he gets up, he's still infused, he's still in a state of righteousness, he sees a really cute girl and he thinks something he shouldn't think.

For just a few seconds he goes, darn, I shouldn't have thought that. Now he's lost a little bit of the infused grace in his soul. It's called a venial sin. It removes part of the grace infused. But a mortal sin removes all of the grace.

So if you commit adultery, all your grace is drained out of you, out of your soul. If you die right there, you go to hell. So the man, he looked at this woman and he thought something he shouldn't have.