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Webcasting around the world from the desert metropolis of Phoenix, Arizona. This is the dividing line. The Apostle Peter commanded Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us.

Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James white director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

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Weekend Travel, Tucson Plans, and Upcoming Ministry Schedule

And good afternoon. Welcome to the dividing line on a Thursday afternoon a currently beautiful Thursday afternoon here in Phoenix the weatherman says that it's it's gonna get really ugly and Windy and all that stuff and I look outside and I go Let's put this way if I get up tomorrow morning and the sun's shining and the birds are chirping I'm gonna be really really angry.

I am. Because because I was planning going I'm gonna be in Tucson this weekend. I'm gonna be faith community church Saturday night and twice on Sunday morning and I'm gonna be speaking there real real great folks I was down there.

When was I down there? Oh, I was down there Last November right after the very I spoke the night of El Toro Tucson when I finally broke through broke the six-hour thing and Altered to some did I tell you, you know, my intention is this year.

I'm gonna ride my bent in El Toro Tucson. I'm gonna ride a recumbent. But It alter Tucson. Yeah, I'm actually gonna ride ride it in El Toro Mesa next month. Yeah, that's gonna be that's that's I'm giving myself a real a real challenge there.

Just as long as you don't come back bent. Well, I can tell you something I wouldn't want to be I wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of a bent accident. Because the first thing that hits you from my bike are the gears the big teeth.

That's the first that's the first thing it hits the wind are the teeth of my bike and I wouldn't want to be on On a regular bike. It's a nice soft rubber wheel. On a on a recumbent, it's a bunch of steel so That would be that would be really bad.

Anyways, what was I saying? Oh, yeah, I was supposed to go to Tucson and what I plan on doing is I'll go down early tomorrow morning and I was going to like climb Mount Lemmon and Then I was gonna do that again on on Saturday, but the last place in the world I want to be when it's raining is Mount Lemmon.

Coming down Mount Lemmon where you're going swish swish swish on a wet road. Yeah, not fun. No, no, no No, I hate riding in the rain. Anyways, so I'm I'm just hoping Saturday morning. Maybe there will be some clearing or something.

I don't know. It's Arizona. So it dries out fast. So but if it's not raining tomorrow morning, I'm gonna be very Very unhappy. That's that's just all there is to that. Now everybody's asking what a recumbent looks like I Need I need to post I actually have one picture of me on my recumbent, but I'm gonna I'm gonna wait till I'm a little.

Actually, I've got her up to 21 miles per hour yesterday chasing my wife down the town the down 51st Avenue. Cuz it was rush hour. So we were time traveling. We were just let's get through this as quick as we can get back into the neighborhood streets.

But we I got right around 21 miles per hour on the flats. So I'm starting to feel a little more comfortable with it, but it's not. I've only ridden it four times. So give me give me 73 ,000 miles on it I'm sure it'll be second nature, which is how far I've ridden on a regular bike.

Anyhow, what in the world am I talking about? I'm gonna be down there and I'm talking about the witness of God in creation as the basis of our apologetics. And so we will be down there and visiting with Tucson mom and the family.

Tucson child is excited because every time I come to Tucson we go to Olive Garden and that's I guess the poor kid. It's the only time he ever gets Olive Garden. I'm not really sure why that is but but Tucson mom has has Helped me get up Mount Lemon before and I always figure if I'm coming down Mount Lemon and I crash or something.

The first person that's getting a call is Tucson mom. So I hope you've got like some first-aid stuff in your in your car like that in case I go down. But I'm really hoping that doesn't happen. So anyway, that's what we're doing this weekend and looking forward to also The 24th of March.

Which is not very far away actually as I'm looking at the calendar here. Coming up fairly quickly. Two weeks in the Sunday. I will be. I have I'm gonna go ahead and announce this now since it's not a secret.

But for about 20 years or so now I have known Doug McMaster's. I first met Doug McMaster's he was working for Phil Johnson at Grace to you and in 1996 I Went over and I spoke in Phil's Sunday school class and I met the guys from Grace to you.

And that's when I first met Doug McMaster's and I think anyways that I was instrumental in getting him into writing into cycling. I know that once he and I wrote a hundred and six miles together. Whenever you do a century with somebody just bonds you together.

It's just all there is to it and a Couple of times recently over the past couple of years. I have spoken at Trinity Road Baptist Church in Wandsworth London where he was a pastor. Well, he's moved on from there and He has been called as the new pastor of the New Hyde Park Baptist Church.

Which is in New Hyde Park, New York on New Hyde Park Road. I was just doing my theology matters thing and I was announcing this and it's Repeating New Hyde Park Baptist Church three times in a row is rather Challenging but New Hyde Park anyways, so I'll be doing the Sunday school Sunday morning service Sunday evening service on March 24th at New Hyde Park Baptist Church and that will be Doug's Installation service and so I will be preaching for his installation service and I am very very honored to do that and by the way for those of you who just want some his history here and since I seem To be wondering about anyways, which I do every once in a while and most people think I do all the time.

Um. That is the church the former pastor there was the one that I had the conversation with in 2004 that got me in trouble with the Mark Seifried stuff. Yep. Yep. Yep. That was the pastor that church.

He asked me to come early. I was speaking that night asked me to come early. We sat in his office and he said what do you think of this book? What do you think of what he's saying? And I came home and started writing the blog articles responding to the statements in the book especially about the concept of imputation and that's what started the whole thing and So it was New Hyde Park and New Hyde Park Baptist Church.

Also I've told a story a number of times about what? Two Years two and a half years three years ago somewhere around there is where I had done a debate and The Ahmadi Muslims showed up and. And They said are you speaking a place else as a bomb speaking on the reliability of the text in New Testament New Hyde Park Baptist Church on Wednesday night.

Well, that's the night we meet. We'll call ours off and come meet with you. And so they all showed up at there is about 60 Christians 40 Muslims. And that's where I got to meet with all them and talk with them and so on and so forth.

So I've obviously had a long history. With the New Hyde Park Baptist Church, and that's where I'll be on the 24th. So I gather it's okay for me to post that to Facebook now. Yeah, I guess I didn't. I was sort of hoping it was could be like a big secret and and you know, I you know.

We're the service to be started and and who's gonna be preaching and I come in and but it didn't work. No big surprise there. Yeah big surprise. No, so so that's uh, that's that's what we're doing. So you can put on Facebook since you like putting things on Facebook.

That's just a thing that you you like doing. So well now that we're talking about it. Now we're talking about. Did you put on Facebook the the excitement that is sweeping the nation over Peter Lumpkins new book?

No, you would have because that propagates when you post it to the blog that propagates to Facebook. So that is you know, they're you think I'd put something like that on the blog as exciting as that is.

Well, you see last dividing line you talked about that and you mentioned that in the blog. We posted that so that propagated to Facebook and then there's the event section, which I really want to talk about.

Propagated to Facebook. Yes. I mean, let's think about the meaning of that actual term and how did that ever get used? To it doesn't make any sense to me. It goes way back, but then there's the event section and you know I'm trying to keep the event section up-to-date there on Facebook until we get a real calendar on our website.

Yes, that's kind of what I'm trying to use there at the Alpha Omega page on Facebook and. So and the neat thing is that if you join the event on Facebook who and anything changes like. You know all the streets freeze over.

Yes, you know somebody will die if they try to drive to the event stuff like that. You cancel it. I can take you know, go in there and change it cancel it. You're at home and it'll notify you in your email if you're on Facebook if you're at home.

If you're at Lowe's you can't do that. Well, actually if you have Facebook on your phone like I do. Yeah, but you said you can do anything at home. Well, that was a little yeah, I was indisposed at that particular time, but you could have done it.

No, that would require me to actually log into Facebook. I've almost developed a religious aversion to that stuff. Anyhow. How did I get a Peter Lumpkins from there? I don't know I'm just looking you know I still I need to refresh this page because I still haven't figured out how you can purchase this thing.

Well, I did someone did tell me I was wondering who free church free church press was and free church press is Peter Lumpkins. So it's a vanity vanity publication, which is not overly shocking. I'm still looking here.

I Haven't seen a links as to where you can purchase this thing because I'm sure that people are gonna be calling in every day and you know. You are not a Calvinist like MacArthur Piper or Sproul they would never tell a man to seek God in light of Rimmons 311.

You know, I almost brought it up. I should have. I'm I actually I do have the link. Maybe I will during the break. We'll take it to half hours like that but I Started getting into a small discussion with someone on Twitter.

Maybe it's on here. Yeah a guy who goes by the name of Truman Smith. Yeah, there's in fact there's and he's the one who contacted me and he claims to be a a former. He dropped me a note that said free essay on how science destroys Christian theology.

Well, I'm glad it's free. That would be that's very good that it's free. It would be bad if it actually cost Cost money, but Why is it oh here it is. It's now available modern science and philosophy destroys Christian theology version 1 .0.

I love that. Because it might destroy it better in the future. I don't know. That'd be version 1 .5 and Will version 2 .0 require an upgrade fee? That is the real question. That you think you're gonna have to work out some bugs, I think he does need to work out some bugs.

For example, you know, I was just scanning down and going. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah, I was looking for anything new. I was looking for anything that showed any Meaningful insight and I didn't find anything but you have.

Well, just I'll just just read you a section here just Good idea the gospel stories contain well-known myth and are not to be trusted. So in other words, if there's anything supernatural about you. As does act the first so-called historical account of the early church as an aside.

It should be recognized the four Gospels are anonymously written. I Just I don't know. Of course, they're not Luke Is not anonymously written. We know the Luke the Luke and corpus and so on and so forth, but it just my Muslim friends, you know, they They get me to admit.

For example, I don't know if you saw it but in the I'm just really rambling today, but it's fun in the Trinity debate at Trinity College Dublin one of the Muslims Said why don't you think Paul was contradicting Jesus and he quotes from Hebrews where it says Leaving aside the basic teachings and Jesus said don't do that and Paul said to do that.

I said well, first of all, you miss your miss. Well, actually I said Secondly, I told him he's misinterpreting the Hebrews text because he's not saying you're gonna abandon that what he's saying was move on from that.

That's the foundation you move on from there. And since they weren't mature that they couldn't do that. But then I pointed out. Why do you think Paul wrote Hebrews? Well, it says right here. It is he had his key had a King James.

It says right there and it's like well, we don't we don't know who wrote Hebrew they're like cute and then so so Adnan gets a even admitted they don't know who because they it's just amazing how many Muslims and Acronistically take a concept that developed even after the days of Muhammad called the is not chain the idea that this person narrated this person narrated this person and That actually developed later you can tell in the earliest Tafsir literature, it really hasn't been fully established yet it's a later development, but they'll take that from six seven hundred years later and Read it back and go well you don't know who wrote that stuff because you don't have an is not a as if anybody back then was even thinking about says As if it was the standard it wasn't the standard and yet they will just just read it and here's the atheists going.

As an aside she recognized four Gospels are anonymously written. Imagine if a pastor said turn to anonymous gospel number one rather than turn to the gospel of Matthew. Obviously that would a greatly diminished impact on the congregation but Christians claim to strive to be honest represented truth fairly is a form of subtle lying to Misrepresent the Gospels as if scholars knew who wrote them when no one really does so despite the fact that the earliest traditions Connect these names and the earliest writers commenting in these connect these names these Gospels.

Well Since you didn't have a picture and you don't have a notarized Statement filed with the proper authorities in Jerusalem or wherever it might have been at the time in the Roman Empire since you don't have a copyright from the Roman Empire, then we just can't possibly know and therefore I mean the anachronism don't any of these folks ever study historiography or anything even slightly relevant to it.

It's just it's just amazing. Anyways first there's a story of some of the holy dead people coming back to life Arising for their graves after Jesus died on the cross only reported in quote Matthew end quote 2752 and not the other gospel accounts.

Now I just stopped right there. Now. Everybody knows there was a big big big big row recently About this very story remember Norman Geisler went after Brain seizure Mike Laicona. This is what happens when you're just going completely unprepared just stream of consciousness type thing.

It must be what it is. It must be the changing Barometric pressure because the storms coming in so we'll just I can find anything to blame. I look how white my beard is. Just real easy. I Examined it.

He shined. He's showing a bright light in my eyes. I now I can't think of anything straight anyway remember Geisler and Laicona just rah and and people lining up on on both sides and and I wrote a Couple blog articles about it and talked about this stuff.

So it's not like this is not a subject that hasn't come up before. But notice only reported in Matthew 2752 so So what I Mean if all we had was Matthew what you wouldn't know was only Matthew would you but we have four gospels.

So, you know, it's only Matthew. Why is that a problem? Why does Matthew have to include everything? That Mark has or why does Mark have to include everything that Matthew has? Why aren't these people free to do what they want to include what they want to include.

Matthew is a longer gospel than Mark. John gets to do what John wants to do. How come what why not? They normally don't answer those questions. This is a huge problem for pastors and from my experience they skip over this and Bible studies the sermons.

Now remember I did contact this guy and eventually gets back to me and he goes well, you know, you ought to read my bio. I'm a former born-again. To which I go to which I responded. I have never I do not know a single serious Christian in this world.

That they ever left the Christians faith that they would describe themselves in that way. You would say I was I made a profession of faith. There's that's not our language. Even though according to his bio he has a master's degree from some seminary.

Not a seminary that it that is well known but some seminary somewhere he's got a master's degree and Was a Christian for all of I don't know a few years. But that makes him an expert and so now he's doing his atheist thing.

Anyhow. It's a huge problem for pastors in my experience. They skip over this and Bible studies of which of course is why I've been teaching through the synoptic Gospels for how long now? Coming up on a decade something like that.

You know. You know my Hebrew series. I don't I never discuss any of the difficulties in the book of Hebrews, you know. No, don't ever do that. Vicki Ann says a doc is easily baited. I'm not sure what that means however it is impossible for Christian academics to dismiss the passage as a later edition and therefore not a part of the Original inerrant Word of God because this passage appears in the earliest manuscripts now.

He just said that. He just said that and you know what? He's right. There is no question whatsoever That this is original with Matthew, but then the very next sentence. Second there is the passage of Jesus claiming that getting bit by a poisonous snake won't hurt the believer mark 16 18.

Obviously, that's not true. Now Um, I wrote to him and said, you know, you might want to do a little a little more research. You know for being a quote-unquote scientist and if he knows that there's no textual variant in Matthew 27 52.

How come he doesn't know the mark 16 18 is one of the big biggest textual variants in the New Testament. How come I don't know that. I Don't know. But even leaving the textual issue aside for a moment.

Obviously, that's not true. Obviously, what's not true? Is it possible if God wanted to so I don't think that that promise is biblical by any stretch the imagination, but Let's say that was a big part of biblical revelation.

Are you telling me God couldn't do that? I mean most people think that the That particular story in the longer ending of Mark Has its origination in what happened with the Apostle Paul. Now, is it possible that Paul could have been bitten? By a poisonous snake and was not hurt by it.

There's a lot of different ways that could have happened. I The point is if you assume Naturalistic materialism as release ago. Well, that doesn't work that guy can't happen blah blah blah blah blah blah.

But there's no defense of the presuppositions in this kind of stuff and so I just wrote back to him and I I pointed Romans 1 and professing me wise they became fools and so on so forth. And he writes back and says well You do realize that Romans was written by people who thought that the Sun circled the earth, don't you?

And I thought about that. I thought about that I thought about it so much that last evening and unfortunately I wasn't able to record it because I forgot my iPad when I went to Wednesday evening service last night but I spoke on Proverbs 22 28 Where it says do not remove the ancient boundaries which your fathers have set and I just talked about the incredible arrogance of Modern people now, here's a guy Obviously is Incredibly ignorant of the scriptures and so there's a tremendous amount of ignorant of arrogance in writing stuff like this when you're really you're Massive field and You're you're pretending like you've already come to the conclusions of all this stuff.

There's there's a lot of arrogance there but I'm talking more about the arrogance of the modern mind. That basically says if you don't have My cosmological knowledge. If you haven't read a brief history of time, you can't possibly have any insight into human behavior or the human self now I would submit to you that a large portion of people who have read a brief history of time Didn't understand it.

Okay, so just having done that doesn't make you a real brilliant person. But Just this idea That anybody before the modern period could not have really understood man. No if you didn't have an iPod and And you couldn't download from the App Store.

How can you anything about man? That's the attitude that's the way people think I Mean young people today. That's how they look at the previous generations. And that's why there is such an ease of Overturning The cultural moral and ethical norms that were ours for generation.

Because young people go those people ain't very smart. They didn't they couldn't do what we can do. We've grown up while playing video games look what that's done for the current young generation of men a whole generation of men and the amazing thing is I was listening to oh What's his name?

Radio host. Jewish radio host. No, he's other Jewish the other Jewish radio host. He's he's a Jewish radio host who's on before the other Jewish radio before Michael Medved. Oh, what's that guy's name?

I See, yeah, I know. He always talks about being happy anyway, I Was listening to him somebody's gonna post it in channel here in a second once the channel catch up. It's not Medved. It's the other guy.

He was talking this morning about the lost generation about all these men. Who are? Yes, Dennis somebody Dennis Prager. Thank you. Thank you. I'll go got it for us. Mutato has said is he Goldberg? Yeah, anyway.

He was talking about the lost generation. That there are so many men today. They've never gotten married. They're still living with mom. They get a job every once in a while and they all play video games.

They wasted they didn't know how to talk to a woman. Because you generally don't have to talk to women in video games. You might have to shoot them. But you have to talk to them. It is amazing lost generation used to be if if a child was living at home, it was the spinster daughter and That wasn't considered to be a bad thing.

You know. But you know when it's when it's the Sun at 40, yeah, that's so good, especially when you can't seem to hold a job. And there's a whole generation like that a whole generation like that. Somebody in channel is saying hey, I'm married.

We both play video games great. Wonderful. Well, you're lucky bucko. That you actually I mean there's there's young men that don't know how to court a woman. They can text her but they can't look into her eyes and talk with her it's amazing.

Absolutely amazing. How'd I get on that anyways, it's the it's the modernist arrogance the modernist arrogance someone who did not have Access to the same amount of knowledge of the physical universe can't know anything about man.

May I tell you something? It seems to me that the more people learn about the physical universe the stupider they become about man himself. Look around today, you know, they're actually talking about establishing Gender free high schools gender free high schools.

Did you hear of Al Mohler talking about this? It was what two days ago on the briefing if you don't listen to the briefing start listening Gender free high schools and By the rules if you have some 16 year old girl that is not happy about the fact.

There's a 16 year old guy in the stall next to her she's the one that can be charged with bullying and This coming from people who know all about cosmology, but when it comes to actually knowing mankind, they are idiots absolute Idiots, I would like to suggest to you that the vast majority of us today my self Included.

Oh, I love my technology. And yeah, it allows me to Take in a huge amount of data but but We are the distracted generation. We have been for years now most young people I know Scared to death of silence.

Scared to death of silence. They've always got they've got earbuds or now I guess earbuds are out when I missed the memo. Earbuds are out. You haven't been to you want to know what's in walkthrough reports.

I get to do that a lot these days. Oh airports you get to see everything and now they've gone back to the big old headsets. Big old Bluetooth headsets, I don't know why but they see he said he knows he's he's you you're out of it rich.

Come on. But it's the big thing now. I don't know what started it but anyways everybody is Afraid of silence because you see then your thoughts you have to deal with your thoughts or maybe your lack of thoughts.

It's the same and it's also it it's primarily due To the television set or now the what do we know the plasma screen? Whatever you want to call it and it has to be fast-moving. It has to be changing all the time.

I've noticed as a teacher my students struggle to have a meaningful meaningfully long attention span. I've got to do things to keep their attention and the idea of thinking something through thinking deeply.

I think that's why. That's why so many Christians struggle with canon issues it or textual critical issues it takes Extended concentration to understand the nuances and the basic foundational issues that help you to understand these things and For a lot of folks today Just can't do it.

Can't do it. I look at the fact that I'm I see 1509 5064. He was only 55 years old. I am five years younger Than John Calvin was when he died five years. I look at the volume and quality and depth of the materials That Calvin produced and I compare that with what I've produced and I've written a lot of books.

I mean For most people I'm in the top 0 .001 of I mean 20 some odd books and one person that's a lot. Most people never write a book. I've written a lot of books. But in comparison to what those folks produced back then they didn't have iPads they didn't have computers.

They didn't have lights. They didn't have LASIK. They didn't have reading glasses. They didn't have have air conditioning and they had fleas. They did don't you remember Erasmus he thought they were demons you couldn't get rid of him.

I Presume that's in the middle of him preaching sermons every week. Well, that's where they came from you got to realize Luther was Luther would preach twice a day and That was written down and that became his then he of course had to be involved in editing it and stuff like that but yeah twice a day and Calvin was preaching daily teaching daily and I just sit here and go how did they do that?

As part of the reason they didn't live as long obviously he's burned out. But man. Without all all our gadgets writing with quill. They outproduced all of us. I am what I am suggesting is we haven't gotten smarter.

We've gotten dumber dumb and dumber in Comparison as far as depth of thought and especially when it comes to a recognition and understanding of the human nature. We don't know nothing. We don't know diddly and yet modern man thinks they are just so smart.

Just so smart and here's a good example guy who goes by the name of What is it again? Truman a Smith. Yeah, okay. Well, what do you want? What time is it? How long did I ramble on today? Oh, it's. Actually, it was time for a break if we were taking a break.

But there's no reason to take a break because we're already past that point in time. Anyways, I guess and I I'm sorry. But I but I lose it. Oh, you're making fun of me out there. Okay, fine you'd you you go ahead and make fun of me out there that's that's alright that's okay with me.

I'll just move on to the Get back to some of the things that that are our friend Mr. Hussein had to say at the East London Mosque and we will move on there. I thought I saw a phone call. No didn't work.

Responding to Zakir Hussain on the Qur'an, the Gospel of John, and the Paraclete

Oh, okay. That's okay. I will I will actually leave that up lest We actually get some phone calls. I'll go ahead. Tell you what, let's open the phones 877 -753 -334 -1. It's not like I have done anything that would cause people to want to call in today.

This is I don't know. I might talk to him because he's acting a little bit odd. Thank you figgy figgy just said that I'm rambling well, so it's better than rambling badly. I suppose that's a good thing but I'll I'll dive back into some of the comments from Zakhar Hussein here and If the phones phones light up.

Then I'll try to sort of leave a few minutes for each one and sort of back time into the end of the hour. You know what back timing is nobody has to worry about that anymore. See there's another thing where back when I was young you had to use your mind more than today.

Back when I was a radio announcer I'd play it when I was playing music you would have to back time into UPI news and That meant you had to be a look at a clock and go, okay. Exactly at the hour UPI has got to come up.

So what you want to do is you don't want to fade out of a song to go into UPI. What you want to do is you want to start the song so it'll end right then. So you back time it so you actually start the song.

This is back in the days of LPS. Yes. For my daughter. They were made of vinyl not vinyl. But these big honking 33 LPS and I had these certain songs, you know. Let's say it was, you know, three minutes and 27 seconds long.

Then you knew exactly when you need to start it, you know. And then you'd start it you keep it potted down and then when the other song ended and you'd bring that one up and it Would sound all natural and it would end right?

Yeah back time. So we can try to back time into into the theme which is supposed to come up if you're Doing your part of the job, which I can't control at 58 it's right at two minutes approximately. Yes, actually, it's 5745.

You never bring it up that early. I usually do you just don't happen to notice because I back timed it. Oh you well, no, but you that's not back timing if you don't bring it up. I can't hear it. You know almost never bring it up before 58.

Mm-hmm. No, mm-hmm. No. You will today though. I can guarantee you well today. I don't know what's wrong with me today. It's okay all right, so as I said last time I Started looking at this. I Forget where I was.

I was I was actually in South Mountain Park somewhere and I forget why it was. I was even listening This way. I normally don't re-listen to my my own debates. I Forget what the reason was that I did but I was in South Mountain Park.

I was listening to it. But it might have just simply been that it was the next thing in my playlist and when you're going down South Mountain You don't stop to you know, fiddle with your our your your iPod you just listen to the next thing until you get someplace safe and I Was listening to Zaka Hussain's.

I've used the term shotgun approach. I suppose that's one way, you know. You'll find this in every apologetic situation people I mean, there are some Jehovah's Witnesses are just experts at it. Just we'll just rat-a-tat-tat-tat things out.

When you encounter somebody like that there isn't any one way to deal with it and when it's in a debate I Respond to the vast majority of what he said. But I also did so by saying this isn't how you do debate you you had that's why you're supposed to have a topic.

That's why you're supposed to stick with that topic in the rebuttal period all the rest that kind of stuff. Most folks don't really follow the rules of debate mainly because most people never studied much of debate.

Anyways, so He threw out all this this stuff. And I thought you know, it would be useful to folks To hear brief responses to these Arguments as they are put forward and So that's what we're gonna do and I've only gotten a certain ways into even marking them all down as I said Very very colorful screen in front of me right now.

But if folks want to comment on other things or have questions things like that eight seven seven seven five three three three four one. Otherwise, I've got plenty of material here to get us through the end of the hour, which is only 20 minutes.

Anyways, so let's let's pick up with the next portion of Zuckers rebuttal.

Song of Solomon 5:16 and the Claim That Muhammad Was Prophesied

Spoke about somebody to come after him Who does not sound like a hundred percent God which I'm getting to and then I mentioned that prophet Mohammed peace be upon him. Description and location can still be found in song of Solomon.

Now remember if you've not heard this one Zucker Hussein built his tent right on top of Song of Solomon 516, which I Just it took me aback it really took me back. It is just some of the worst argumentation out there I think any linguist just chuckles at it.

Waller's balsa wood and there's you know balsa has been associated with Mecca. Well, it's been associated a lot of places. I mean this kind of thing can be used to prove anything and of course I also pointed out that in the Hadith you had a young Jewish boy Who was dying? Who allegedly recognized Muhammad from what was written in the Torah?

Are you telling me? That he had been reading Song of Solomon 516 is that oh there is that that's that guy right there. That guy walking by right there. There is a description of him. It's just it's such a Massive leap by people who then will not see the prophetic witness of Jesus in Psalm 22.