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And we're live. Welcome everybody to trailer park theology. My name is Jeff. I'm the pastor of Covenant Reform Baptist Church in Tallahoma, Tennessee. I also own a Bible rebinding business post Tenerife slugs Bible rebinding and I'm here with my good friend Braden Braden.
Introduce yourself brother. Yeah, so Braden. That's my first name. I Have the fortunate privilege of being a pastor for a church named Ballet Baptist Church in Hagerman, Idaho Where I'm a bivocational pastor at and I also have a YouTube channel.
I Have a YouTube channel called reformed ex-mormon. I'm ex LDS myself after being LDS for 19 years. God saved me from that saved me from my sin, but saved me from that as well and from there I'm also a full-time firefighter where I live.
And so I have the privilege of doing that as my as my day work if that makes sense. So.
Man, I just think that's you know Excellent that you do that for a living. Me and my wife we've been watching Chicago fire. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I know it's. It is what it is, but it's so realistic. Yeah.
But it's actually a really good. Yeah, it's time show. I mean, you know just something for me and her to watch but I can remember I was in kindergarten and and At this time we had a fire truck and stuff like that like they come to visit our school and I Can remember leaving kindergarten thinking man, I would really like to be a firefighter.
Mm-hmm, and they put me in like I was you know, like they put them like I stepped into the boots. And you know, you try to walk in them as a kindergarten. I can remember falling.
Yeah, funny part about that is I still fall in my boots today so yeah.
I can see that. I can see that. Yeah with my with my Benign vertigo my position. I can really see myself falling in those boots.
Yeah, no, it's a privilege it's it's it is a it is a great job to have to be able to support my family with it. It's awesome to be able to go from one place and It's attempting to save lives and property to then go behind the pulpit and and preach salvation and security in Christ.
So it's a great reflection in both work work spheres.
So. Very cool, man. So what are we talking about today?
Yeah, so we the last time that I was on this late night a little Facebook live video that we're doing. On your on your YouTube channel as well. We were in Daniel chapter 2 Just kind of going through some of the different views that Different eschatologies would have trying to be fair to everything.
You are a partial preterist non-theonomist Postmillennialist, right? Yeah.
Preterist, there you go. I like for sure. We would call it a post mail. But yeah, you know, I'm gonna be honest with you man. Like I have so much trouble with all of the positions. Yeah. But it's just so it's easier for me to just if I had to hold on to one.
Mm-hmm that you know where I could say it would be Postmail, but then I would have to say but I don't know to. You know, I have to give caveats and stuff.
So yeah for sure and I think a lot of the eschatology positions like I think I Don't know every time I talk to somebody on eschatology They usually have something that is Subdefining underneath that that they try to hold to.
So I totally understand that but I I'm on the all mill side and so it was really fun last time that we got to go through Daniel chapter 2 and see a lot of our Similarities and then start to kind of open up where we would start disagreeing and whatnot.
And so what we're planning on doing tonight again is going through Daniel chapter 9 working our way through that maybe being fair like we were last time to Talk about what other views that we are understanding of what other views would bring to this text and then What we can what we wrap it.
What what will you pull from that text?
So I think a real good thing about it is that people can click on here. They can see two people two Christians who have a different view of eschatology, but very similar also in a way and. Yeah, and we can have a conversation.
We can agree and we can disagree and there's in there, you know, I'm not kicking you out the kingdom. You're not kicking me out the kingdom. You know and like and like we really a fellowship we text each other throughout the week.
We yeah. We talk to each other on the phone. We love each other. You know, yeah, we're not saying that these issues are something that you sweep under the rug. They're they're serious. They determine how you live in the faith at the same time we know that these are not issues where we would throw one another out the kingdom or you know, I Could serve in your church.
You could serve in my church if you were ever in Tallahoma, Tennessee, you would be welcome to preach in my pulpit. Yeah, I mean, I mean we're. You know, we're brothers and amen. Yeah, eschatology is not separating us.
Yep. So I think that's good for people to see because you really don't see that a lot, you know. No, eschatology is one of them things were if you don't agree with me. We're gonna put on the boxing gloves and go at it.
Yeah people really hold tight to those views.
It seems like more so than some other areas it seems like. And so you do see a lot of that kind of division of Not all the times fellowship, but sometimes very often friendship within a fellowship and so.
Yeah, it is a blessing and those same feelings that you would have towards me coming and preaching behind your pulpit. Which is that's an honor to be told something like that. That would be totally reciprocated on even on a Sunday where we were going through eschatology I would totally welcome a post mill view even being preached behind the pulpit because it's It's within Orthodox and it's it's God glorifying.
I think so. Here's the thing like.
Like if someone was coming again, which a Good friend of mine a Presbyterian friend of mine who's an all-male. He said this to me. He he said someone was going to he's an all-male. He says no if I was with you and someone was trying to come against post mill and a horrible way.
He said I would stand side-by-side with you and defend postman. Oh, yeah for sure and. And the same with I would for him with all mail in with you. I mean because I do think it's a legit position. Yeah, do I see some some hose that I think's in it?
Yeah, but I see hose and post mill.
Well, I'm gonna send this what I claim and that then that's like if somebody was coming out to you saying that your views Heretical that it's it's outside of the Christian faith. They believe in those things.
That's where it just crosses the line of being a not-okay conversation anything with my dispensational Premillennialist fans or my historic premillennialist friends. I would still jump alongside of those people and defend them If somebody was coming out them in that in those in those absolutely and and I think that's I think that's what I hope this Kind of a little live show helps help show.
I really do. Yeah, me too, man. Absolutely.
So in Daniel 9, yeah. So like the primary text that we're gonna be looking at is the 70 weeks. Now yeah, and we'll probably allude to the context and stuff like that. But the the primary text where the the disagreement between the different eschatological views comes from verses 24 through 27 This would be called the 70 weeks.
A lot of people would know it as the 70 weeks of Daniel and so. If you want we'll just read read it first, yeah. So you have a NASB, correct? Yes. Yep. I do have to mail you a ESP. I just don't have any in a space.
And I'm a ESP only For life. I do have a a little LSB New Testament Rebound. Yeah, but it doesn't have Daniel and that's probably the closest to the right, but all my Bibles like I have a KJV that people hand in a net but the ESV is So similar to like accuracy my opinion to the NASB.
Oh, yeah. I just don't have one around man.
I understand. I get it. I get it. As Long as you're not a King James only. Yes, that's. But I am a preferred that's for sure for sure.
Preferred. I love the ESP man. It still has the it has some of the poetry yeah the King James but. Like it's. It's availability, you know. And it comes and like just the best in my opinion. Text blocks like, you know, depending like if you like verse by verse there's verse by verse feel like paragraphs of paragraphs form.
Yeah, it's just like, you know, just really nice Bibles like it cross ways doing a really good job at it. Push it. They are nice text box. It's a seventh grade reading level and it still has that that poetry of the King James.
It's it's by far easy the easier of the two to read for sure. ESV over NASB. I. I don't know about you. I can't stand.
Paragraph blocks though. I I like graphs to read. I read the paragraph, but I can't preach from a paragraph. Mm-hmm. So I preach from a Topaz. Topaz. I have this Navy Topaz right here that I preach from.
Yeah, and it's it's verse by verse.
Okay, I don't know if you can see it. Oh it's too bright for me is it. There it is. Okay. Nice. All right.
The reference is on the sides. Cool. Yeah, cool. But I read from a. So I have the Omega but I also have the creeds and confessions and it's the same outline the same text block.
Basically, I I wish that's one thing that my Bible does not have it. I have the keyword Hebrew and Greek Strong's Concordance with a reference and I don't like the commentary in mind but if there's a commentary Bible to you, but the.
The one thing I'm sad that it doesn't have is this creeds and confessions, even though they're those aren't scripture. But I love going to the creeds and confessions to see what I really church was thinking.
So I'm sad that that's not after maps in my Bible, unfortunately, so yeah. Well, I got a bunch of them here, brother.
Yeah, I'll send you one. All right. Well, I guess I guess I'll read it. Okay, and so I have the better translation. And it was coming. All right, so I'll read it and then we'll and we'll talk about it.
Yeah, sounds good. All right. Beginning in verse 24 of Daniel chapter 9 70 weeks are declared about your people in your holy city to finish transgressions to put an end to sin to atone for iniquity to bring about everlasting righteousness to seal both vision and profit and to atone for and to anoint a most holy place.
Know for certain and understand that from the Going out of the word to restore and rebuild Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one a prince There shall be seven weeks. Then for 62 weeks it shall be built again with square mow but in troubled times.
And after 62 weeks and anointed one shall be Cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy this city in the sanctuary its end shall come with the flood and To the end there shall be war desolations are decreed and He shall make a strong covenant with many for one week.
And for half the week He shall put an end to sacrifice and offering and on the wing of an abomination shall come one who makes desolate Until the decree and is poured out on the desolator.
That says the word God right there. It's done so. Did you want to try to break this up kind of like last time Jeff with with maybe given grace towards our Our pre-millennialist friends maybe trying to approach it first like that and then yeah I think we're gonna agree on a lot of this text again.
So I I think I.
I'm pretty sure there's gonna be some things that we might disagree with. But I don't know like I don't know the full millennial position. So I'm sure you know. But yeah, like if you want to kind of introduce Daniel 70 weeks and and and.
And we can go back and forth like I don't know the historical pre would hold to them what they would hold to this. But I do know pretty sure what the because I was a dispensational at one time, right?
They would hold to this. Um, Especially a pre-millennial. I mean a pre-mill pre-trib. Yep um. Excuse me dispensational. So if you want to kick it off and we'll just kind of go back and forth.
Yeah, and I might need your help jumping in here with uh, the dispensational pre-mill view just because The my background comes from an lds Non-orthodox dispensational pre-mill view and so I don't have a full grasp of what the the dispensational pre-mill.
Truly have an idea of what the uh, primo of the historical pre.
I I'm neither the historic or the I do have an idea of of both of them to a certain degree. But not not enough to speak educated enough. Uh, I would say on so. Yeah, so just going through this. Um I know that they would they would break up these these the 70 weeks talking about the the 62 weeks would have been.
Well, the the the the portion that's missing there those seven weeks that is missing from that text. Uh, they would put that in a future sense right talking about a seven-year tribulation and that the seven-year tribulation would be broken up into three and a half years and three and a half years and that's when the the rise of the antichrist would happen the the Him being wounded and resurrecting and and so on and so forth.
They would be pulling a lot of these ideas out of revelation chapter 15 and And 16 and and just looking at what that looks like um as far as the. They would also another another view that they would do with this.
They would bring this, uh to speaking of The 62 weeks that they speak of correct me if i'm wrong on this but the 62 weeks they would say is fulfilled in when christ Uh entered into jerusalem upon the back of the donkey that that triumphal entry was a fulfillment or that was when that.
Uh, I think they would say that 69 weeks have been fulfilled. That's what it is. It's a 70th week. The last week and for anyone that doesn't understand a week is seven years like if you go back to. Uh, and i'm reading it in genesis now, uh, whenever jake jacob works for his his uh.
For his mother's brother laven. Yep for his for uh his daughters. And so he works it says for one week, which is seven years. For each daughter, so he worked seven years for Rachel, but he ends up getting leah and then he works another seven years for Rachel yeah, and and it's called one week.
Yeah, so when it says one week, it's seven years. Yeah, and so the idea here. In this just just to give some context. So israel was told to To keep the law and live in the land earthly promises earthly blessings uh break the law and you will be removed from the land and one of the laws that they broke was the The sabbath gear rest.
So every they were to work the ground for Six years in the seventh year they were not to work the ground. And they broke this for 490 years which is 70 weeks. So god sends them into captivity for 70 years.
Okay one year for every week now this prophecy is for 70 weeks 490 years 90 years. He's in my opinion. He's saying that he's going to be dealing with the people his earthly kingdom people for 490 years and this kind of gives it the.
The the flow of it and so the jews bull. I mean, i'm sorry not the jews, but the dispensational pre-millennial. Ho to the fact that 69 of the weeks have already taken place. Yeah, but that this 70th week the last and final week has not taken place.
So this will take place if you're a pre-millennial dispensation that hosts a pre-meal. I mean the pre-tribulational rapture. That this week will take place when the church leaves the earth. Because god is coming to deal with his people the jews.
I mean like if you notice what it says. It says 70 weeks are declared about your people. So who is he talking to he's speaking to daniel. Yeah, so who is his people? Well, it's the jews. And your holy city.
Well, what's their holy city? Jerusalem. Yeah, and so. It's very clear that he's speaking to daniel about his people the jews about a certain place, which is jerusalem.
Yeah and so the dispensational would say that that's all in the future sense that that fulfillment of that 70 weeks is going to be after.
This the second coming of christ, right? Yeah, and I and to hearken back to daniel chapter two. Remember when I when I we started going through the the different metals of the statue the different and then we had to the legs of iron and then it.
The feet were iron mingled with clay and I brought out that picture and I showed that that picture didn't have the feet. Yep, and it was and I had and I used to have a thing where it would separate. And right there where it separates this is where they bring in daniel's 70th week.
So so. The the feet of iron mingle with clay this would be the 70th week of daniel. Today, you said yes. I am. Yep. And so god comes back and he deals with the jews. Why. Because he's talking about your people.
He's not dealing with the church here. So the church must have been raptured. Right, and so they would see a parentheses a gap and so far it's. It's been a 2000 Close to 2 000 year gap gap. Yeah. I don't see a gap in the text.
No I come in from this with with Virgin eyes as much as you possibly can right. Without without trying to bring my presuppositions to this when I First read this after being a christian. I I Haven't and I still have not Ever seen that kind of gap language here in this text and I I I just haven't seen it.
And I unless you or someone else would have explained it to me just like how you just did I just I don't I don't see where that's at in this text. And so.
Yeah, now I I used to believe it and I used to teach. Yeah, but not because it was in the text. Right, but because this is what was handed down to me traditionally. And this is why I I tell you now like I don't believe anything anyone tells me.
Like, you know. Unless I study it for myself. Right, I mean because I bought into a lie right, you know and um when it came to eschatology, right and so it it it, you know, again, like I was at a Conference and someone asked me it was on an abol abolitionist.
And I said well no. Because I don't know Everything that it hoes to right. I said if you're asking me am I against abortion? Yes. Yeah, do I believe it should end? Yes, but am I a part of this movement?
I don't know right don't. I don't have all the information of what they hoed to so I don't want to Just say that i'm with something even though i'm against what they're against. Yep. Like i'm not just following the crowd to follow the crowd i'm not going to be something because Someone that I highly respect is a part of something.
I want to study it for myself to make sure that this is what I believe.
The scriptures teach right? Absolutely. Amen. I think that's the approach that we should have to anything if we. We shouldn't attach our name to something unless we fully have sought it out and understand what we're attaching our name to right?
So yeah.
We're called to be brians. We're called to search the scriptures. We're called to to take an honest look at At the world around us and to you know to walk. Yeah.
So Would we want us to maybe start breaking this down from an all mill and post mill perspective now? Or is there anything else that we should say? Yeah to a dispensational pre-mill. I think that as we get through it.
As we walk through it. We'll kind of see. Uh. Their perspective. I know. Like as I walk through my perspective i'll kind of outline. What comes to my mind. Cool? That would be helpful. What I may might have used to believe that would be helpful for me.
So maybe what i'll start out with saying is so so daniel is is coming about while in captivity to babylon that jerusalem has been taking captive. Uh, he is one of those captive Captivities, uh that are it's in here and he's praying.
And this is an answer to his prayer. That he's he's he's talking about and so in his prayer he asks Because the 70 70 weeks have been promised that they'll be in captivity for right? And that's been something that's been prophesied throughout many different prophets.
And daniel's now living that captivity and so he's praying That asking in verse two he says In the first year of his reign I daniel observed in the books the numbers of the years which was revealed as the word of the lord to jeremiah the prophet for the completion of the desolation of jerusalem namely 70 years and so my Approach, I think one of the things that I I do not apply Verses 24 on to this the triumphal entry I apply those to jesus's baptism.
And there's some reasoning for doing that in my personal opinion. I don't know where you would land on that jeff, but Part the way I would approach this text first is that if it was truly 70 years just a time frame That god has given and daniel being this prophet of god knew that it was going to be 70 years.
I find it strange that daniel would be asking this prayer in the first place that about when is the completion of the 70 years going to be complete because if It's 70 years. That's not a that's not a question.
That's a It started this day 70 years later. It's this day. There's no question that needs to be asked in there. And so my opinion when I come to this text is that uh, the 70 years the number seven, uh with this tribulation this This uh captivity that's going on with jerusalem is is significant and there's When we see seven throughout the the bible, I would argue that there's a theological Implication that's behind the use of that number.
And so I think what 70 is getting at in here is for the completeness of a The completeness of the the desolation of jerusalem. That's what it says here in verse two. It's the completion of the desolation.
So that could be 78 years. That could have been 69 years. It could have been however many years it needed to be but 70 was that there was the way that god was using it to describe the fullness of that being done just like how um and we'll get into it i'm sure a little bit more but Seven times seven and these these year of the year of jubilee and all these kind of things that come out throughout the old Uh old testament this this seven has a as a as a huge significant, uh theological Implication I would say and so I think that daniel here understands that it's not truly going to be just a 70 year period.
And so that's why he's asking When is this going to be done? When is the completion of this desolation going to be finished? And I think that makes more sense Approaching this text is that it's not going to be literally 70 70 years Uh for daniel to be in this this this desolation period What have you ever have you what's your approach with this?
Do you think it has to be 70 years that he's in desolation or would you well, well, uh so I think that it's significant because.
Um. They're getting a year for every year they disobeyed. Yeah. And so they disobeyed for 490 years. And so they get 70 years a year for every.
Year that they disobeyed. Right a year for every seven seven. Yeah, so that they disobeyed.
Um. And I think that they're in a desolation. So a desolation so like if you just go back to um. Nine verse one one and two in the first in the first year of of daris, uh, the son of uh.
Ash I always have trouble with that name. That's why I didn't read verse one. Uh Yeah.
By descent of me. Amid who was made king over the realm of the chaldeans. Right here. It says in the first year. I daniel. Perceived in the book and the numbers. Yeah, like, you know, like you just read it, but it speaks about uh I perceived in the books of the number of years according to the word of the lord to jeremiah the prophet.
It must pass before the end of the desolation. So this desolation like if you jump over to verses 17 and 18, I believe yeah. Uh, let me find it. Yeah, therefore now therefore. Oh god. Listen to the prayer of your servant and his plea for mercy.
And for your own sake oh lord make your face shine upon your sanctuary. Which is desolate. All right. Verse 18. Oh my god incline your ear. In here open your eyes and see our desolation. And the city that is called by your name so a desolation is basically.
Whenever the city of jerusalem is in ruined. Yep, the people have been taken out. And so they're in the desolation. They were babylon the babylonians they came and they captured the children of israel.
Now I believe that that desolation Ended whenever they were allowed to go back and build the city. Yeah. But then I I believe that another desolation.
Is prophesied in the 70 weeks, I agree. Yep. Does that make sense? Yep, which I I'm assuming We're going to land on the same page on that area for sure. Yeah, so but I hope so too. So but my so my reasoning for bringing up the symbolic nature of this is that in in uh in where is it at in.
Oh i'm looking real fast second chronicles 36 22 um, let me turn there real fast second chronicles 36 verse 20 and i'll read verses 21, uh through 23, but it says In here it says to fulfill. And i'll let you wait i'll wait until you can get there.
Tell me again second chronicles. What? Yep second chronicles, uh 36 21 Uh through 23 All right, so it says in here to fulfill the word of the lord by the mouth of jeremiah. So it's speaking about the same prophecy that that daniel's dealing with in his prayer right in daniel 9.
Until the land had enjoyed its sabbaths.
That's all sabbath your rest. Yep.
Exactly sabbaths and all the days of the desolation. It kept sabbath until 70 years were complete now in the first year of cyrus king of persia. In order to fulfill the word of the lord by the mouth of jeremiah.
The lord stirred up the spirit of cyrus king of persia so that he sent a proclamation through his kingdom. And also put it in writing saying thus says cyrus king of persia the lord The god of heaven has given me all the kingdoms of the earth And has appointed me to build him a house in jerusalem Which is in judah whoever there is among you all his people may the lord his god be with him and let him go up and so.
This might Differ from a from a dispensational premillennialist. What I hold to. I think cyrus is the one that offered that decree whereas I think What's the person's name that they would say that. Uh I because the issue is is that if you do the math out It doesn't fit with this the triumphal entry of jesus when you do The exact math of years for when cyrus actually did the decree For it to fit in line with when jesus entered into jerusalem.
I do believe it was three three different kings made a decree. Yeah. Yeah, and so I go by the uh, the decree of uh, let me see uh.
I can't i'm not as educated on this as I should be right now to answer where I would go to. Exactly but uh.
Yeah, so I would say uh. The word to restore and rebuild jerusalem, I believe was given by King god exerts season 457 bc, okay and um. Although it was separated. I mean if you take from 457 bc. And you add 483 years.
You come to 27 ad so this is going to be whenever I think Jesus was baptized. Yeah, 27 ad. Now if you go back, so I believe that he was 30 years old there 27 ad so I believe that he was born around 3 bc 4 bc.
You see what i'm saying? Yep. And so 27 ad is when I believe that he was baptized and that's where I believe that this prophecy comes in like the the 69 weeks he was baptized at the 69 weeks.
We're gonna go somewhere else now. Oh, i'm excited which we don't have to go there right now. I just thought of something else and I cannot remember where the bible verse is right now.
Yeah, so but but but I do believe three different kings gave A decree right and each one of them will take you right to the around the same time, right?
I so my my argument is I think if I remember correctly This is off the top of my head without without looking up the actual date. I want to say cyrus made his decree in 539 bc. Or 37 or 32 or something like that, which gives a different date using those 490 years, like you made mention of it gives a different date if we were to back date from.
From jesus's birth or whatever you want to it. It doesn't meet with cyrus's decree.
I think kingdom exercise is the one that that meets it. Yep head on. And so if I if I remember right.
Cyrus told the the ethnic jews to go back to the city and to rebuild the temple. He gave that decree and the jews Didn't start until there was another king that told him you need to you need to start building the temple.
I believe. Don't quote me on that. I I believe that that's correct. And so that's why we get differing dates of when a decree was issued. I would hold to. My reasoning for holding to cyrus is is partly because that second chronicles text I really do think in there that it's it says that the the the 70 years the 70 weeks that daniel's talking about that have been declared for jerusalem.
This desolation period Uh is fulfilled when cyrus gave a decree and now the 490 the thing where I would go with that is that that's the the year of jubilee right when we have this this seven of sevens this this large theological number now I think that is what christ was claiming to be when he said that you enter into my rest that I am that sabbath I am this this I think what he's essentially saying in here is i'm the 490.
I'm the this the sabbath of sabbaths I'm the rest of the rests and and so that's how I would approach something like this is that that jesus was fulfilling that theological implication of that number regardless of Of the amount of time that spanned between the decree and when christ was born.
You see what i'm saying. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Um.
I'm not. I don't think I i'm there. Yeah for sure. But but I definitely see what you're saying. I don't know why for some reason I thought that cyrus is met. Because I know a few years ago. I did a study and yeah, and I for some reason I knew that it didn't but then for a second here.
I I thought that I don't know what I was thinking. And I want to say that yeah, go ahead. No, but in my study I know like whenever I just I i'm i'm pretty certain. You know, I would definitely hold the king art exercise.
Yeah, I mean, I mean like if you take from 457 bc and you go uh, nine, uh, 70 weeks 490 years it takes you to To 34 ad. Yep. Yep. Pretty spot on right? Yeah. I mean like it's just Like there's no way to to.
To get to get by it and maybe to help out our dispensational pre-millennialist friends. Because they would they would say that jesus was baptized When he was 30 and that the triumphal entry Meets that requirement found in the 400 that that's when they would say that that's the the 490.
That that completion of those years is falling upon.
The the triumphal entry of jesus. Yeah, but they would say that the 69 weeks that's whenever the 69. Yes took place. That's right. I would say that the entrance that the triumphant entering uh. But that would have took place, you know the week at his death, right?
And I would too. I would hold that too. Yeah, so he would have been 33. Yep. So you would put the the public ministry of christ somewhere around a five-year period. Is that correct?
No, uh three-year period. But if he was baptized at 28, I thought you said no. He was baptized in 27. He's baptized in 27 ad. So he was baptized at 30.
I thought that you said he was baptized at 28 years old. I was I was confused there for a second.
Baptized at 30 years old in 20 27 ad. At 30 years old. He was born around three or four bc. Baptized at 30 at 27 ad. 27 ad. I would have the.
490 years. Right. I gotcha. So that was I. I thought that I heard you said that he was 27 years old when he got baptized. So I was like, oh man, we gotta we're gonna talk about this now here in a second.
Well I don't. If I said it, I didn't mean it. No for sure. No, and I think what you were saying was 27 ad and.
Yeah, so 27 ad is when he was baptized he would have been 30 years old tracking you. Okay, and so and I believe that he was crucified at 33. And I want to say he would have been Ad 30 probably mid-range of ad 30 mid-year of ad 30.
Yep.
So and there's two different dates that I want to say i'm looking at something right now. So it says here. There was a decree from so some people would say so from ezra chapter 7 11 to 26. They would say that that Decree of I can't pronounce his name.
Are are are these xerxes? Yeah, art a x er. Yep, actually I call them xerxes because that's fine with me art is xerxes. Um. But then there's a second date that's given in and neha neha. Oh my goodness.
I cannot talk right now. I'm rubbing off on your brother. No. Yeah, you're good. Uh, so the two different dates that are given by art is xerxes is four 458 to uh 57 bc and then the second date is uh, 445 bc to 44 bc.
Yeah, I got 445 bc up here too. So they would they would pull from that 445 to meet that um. To meet the uh, triumphal entry period. I. If I remember correctly, yeah, they were.
But it just don't but but but as you'll see as we walk through here.
I'm going to show how that number doesn't work. I i'm i'm excited for that. I really am. I really really am so what what would be because we're We're on the same page. So on on as far as this stuff goes for the most part, right?
I would say that I think it's cyrus that offer that decree and I think that that number is Theologically important not necessarily numerically specific if that's so you're all males, man I know he's spiritualized and everything.
I know it's it's a good way to it's a good way to be. But i'm happy that we're on the same page I would place because I think verse 24 is so clear that it says in here that well Yeah in verse 24 it talks about him anointing his most holy I I think that's very clearly.
Yeah, so christ being anointed in his baptism, right? Yeah. So this is uh,.
It names off six things. Yep. And uh, and if i'm not mistaken. If i'm not mistaken, which I could be that our dispensational brothers would say that that that this. That these six things have not been fulfilled.
They're all future and that's where I was going to say to the dispensational would say all this is future. I believe I don't know about the historic pre-meal but I definitely think that the dispensational it holds to a future verse 24.
Yeah. Now I believe that all this all these six things have been fulfilled and let's just read those six things again. And i'll let you riff on it a little bit. Yeah. And it says, uh, i'll start at the very beginning 70 weeks are to are to create about your people so.
Your here's daniel. You're the people the jews in your holy city jerusalem to finish. Right here to finish transgressions. That's important to put an end to sin to atone for iniquity to bring about everlasting righteousness.
To seal both vision and profit and to anoint a most holy place. Amen.
And that word place isn't in the text to anoint the most holy is what that says there. I yeah I see this all being fulfilled in the first advent of christ. I do absolutely 100 without a doubt and this is where I have a I I just if I was to read this plainly without Knowing anything else about the bible and I just knew about this figure jesus.
I I Couldn't deny jesus not completing this in his first coming. I I really couldn't and I have a hard time With anybody that doesn't think that it's been fulfilled already.
Well, if you want to just just think about the. It says to finish the transgressions. Yeah, I want to go to Galatians chapter three real quick. Yeah. This is one of the reasons why i'm not a theonomist.
Go ahead and put that out there verse 19. Why then. The law so it's speaking about the law of moses being added to the abrahamic covenant. Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions. Until The offspring should come.
To whom the promise had been made. All right now it says until the offspring had come and you come up here to verse 15. Let's just read verse 15 and 16 real quick to give a human example brothers even with a man-made covenant.
No one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Now the promises were made to abraham. Let's speak about the abrahamic covenant and to his offspring. It does not say into offsprings referring to many but referring to one and to your offspring.
Who is christ now go back to verse 19? The law was added why then the law it was added to the abrahamic covenant because of Transgressions until the offspring who is christ should come. Why because christ puts an end to transgressions he he does away with that law.
That was given now. I'm not talking about the ten commandments. I'm talking about the the uh the um. What's the words i'm looking for. The ceremonial and the judicial laws that were given to the geopolitical nation of israel.
Yep. I agree with that. Yeah, so right here it says to finish transgressions. Well. He fulfilled it by living the life we couldn't live. By keeping that law. Yep. He has put an end to transgression. Amen.
Well, how did he do that? Well, it says it right here. He put an end to sin. Yeah, how did he do that? It's time for iniquity. Yeah, like it just kind of goes down. It really does. It really really does.
It really really does and whenever he came he brought well, how did he put an end to sin? So if someone wants to ask you that question, how did how did jesus put an end to sin? We're still sinning. Yep.
How did he put an end to sin?
That though we are still sinning He became sin on our behalf. And when he paid the price for that sin, that means that that sin is now it's it's he put an end to it. It's done. It's paid for it's it's fully.
It's fully founded and realized in jesus christ.
These six things represent the gospel of jesus christ. Yeah, absolutely. All right, absolutely. He atoned for iniquity. Well, not only was jesus The high priest the mediator he was also the sacrifice.
Yep. All right. Yep our mediator between god and man our High priest after the order of mechizedek Not only entered that sanctuary to atone for sin But he was the sacrifice. Well, how did how how did he bring.
About everlasting righteousness. I'm just going to keep on quoting on the same verse. I was just quoting from so that we So that we might be made the righteousness in him, right? Right, right. All right.
Well, what about this one?
To seal both vision and profit. Yeah, so yeah, what I like to tell people is that the old testament prophets They mostly prophesied two things. A coming destruction upon jerusalem. Why. Because they did not keep the law.
I mean, it's the basic keep the law. Live in the land earthly people earthly promises earthly kingdom earthly promises earthly blessings. Yep, if you Did not keep this. You you brought upon yourself earthly curses.
Okay. It says uh. So, you know. That they mostly did two things. They prophesied a coming judgment because they did not keep the law and they prophesied a messiah figure who was to come. Yeah. All right.
John the baptist was the last of these prophets to do those two things. Luke 16 16. He he spoke about a coming judgment. The axe is laid to the root of the tree. Any tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
I'm, john the baptist. I baptize you with water into repentance, but he who comes after me talking about the messiah. Yep, i'm not even worthy to to hold his shoes. He's gonna baptize you with holy spirit and fire the whittling fork is in his hand.
He would thoroughly cleanse the thrashing floor talking about the judgment. He will gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff. You whose the axe is at the root of the tree. He's gonna burn with unquenchable fire.
That's the kind of being baptized by fire. I don't want right being baptized, but we are doing a a show on being baptized by fire.
Yeah, but that would be great.
But you see right there. He's he's the last one that done those two things. Prophesied a coming judgment and the coming messiah, and that's what we see taking place throughout the old testament. Jerusalem disobeyed.
They would prophesy a coming judgment and they would also prophesy a messiah figure who would come and rescue them. Yeah. Which I when he jesus seals that by coming. Yep.
Absolutely, and I was just going to say I feel like there might be an inconsistency with a person. That's a dispensational pre-meal that would say that we don't have prophets today. Because in here it says that it's to seal up both vision and prophecy.
I would assume that if this is a future thing Why are there not prophets today that are in acting in the exact same way as in the old testament. My. My approach to something like this is that prophets were always prophesying forward to the first coming of christ.
And when christ came and fulfilled all righteousness, there's no more need of a prophet like there was in the old testament. And so if if if somebody's holding to that in a dispensational pre-meal view, I feel like that's an inconsistency.
According to this text and I would also say that all the prophets were jews. Yeah. Like for sure. And so, um God is no longer dealing with them as his people because he he no longer deals with an earthly kingdom people.
Yeah, his his people are in the heavenly kingdom.
Which is the church. You sound all mill right now. I told you like.
I'm a mixed bag of cookies, but I like it.
Yeah, it's good. It's real good. So yeah, we're we're on the same same page with with all of that and I I think that at jesus's baptism we have a fulfillment even though we would approach this in two different ways that we're both saying that that's the fulfillment of those those uh.
Those weeks that that the anointing of jesus at the baptism. That's what fulfilled this and so I would also add that when jesus gets asked in in matthew chapter 3 verses 14 and 15, I believe it is that says Uh those those very words that you said i'm not worthy to tie your feet or tie your shoes.
Why why am I baptizing you and he says no? It's fulfilled. It's fitting to fulfill all righteousness. And so I think that that is calling back to a verse like this and as well as With christ being our high priest the requirements that we see a priest needing to have in the old testament was.
One you had to have a verbal blessing. Two. You had to be washed. Three you had to be anointed and four you had to be Of the age of 30 to 50 years old. And so when you said that he you thought I thought when I thought I heard you say that Jesus was 27 years old.
I was like, whoa. What? But those and I I don't know brother I did hear wrong I did and so those those four points um I don't know where the scriptural references are off the top of my head for those things I know a lot of them comes out of numbers and exodus and and so on and so forth.
So we see christ when he enters into his public ministry entering into his melchizedek priesthood rule. Uh to be able to offer a sacrifice and to fulfill all righteousness and to seal up prophecy and vision.
You see all those things taking place in those those public ministry years of christ. Yeah.
So what would you say would be the last one? The To anoint a most holy place, which I know that it's the plate word place is not that in In the text, but it's just to to help the the reader understand.
Yeah, so this this text.
Daniel is in the year of desolation, right? So there is no temple like jeff said he's waiting for that second decree to build a second temple and this anointing of the most holy is speaking about a temple type language and so.
What was the temple always pointing forward to. What were the priests always pointing forward to. What was the sacrifice? Always pointing to and it was always pointing to jesus christ. And so in john 1 14, we see that the word became flesh and tabernacled amongst.
Amongst men we see that later on and and i'm uh, john chapter three and john chapter five. He talks about in john chapter five that uh that destroy this temple and I will raise it up in three days. He's speaking about himself and his crucifixion, uh, so Jesus very clearly makes it known that he is our temple in in that regard.
He is the place where the sacrifice is going to take place. He is the sacrifice. He is the one offering that sacrifice. So when it says to anoint the most holy uh is calling back to the old testament types and shadows found in the temple and.
The anointings that would take place there. It's talking about the most holy which is going to be the fulfillment jesus christ. Uh, this is not in my opinion. This is not speaking of a new third temple.
That's going to be built in the future. It's speaking about the one and only temple jesus christ his body dying upon a cross.
Okay. All right, so I would say That I agree, yeah definitely with You know that jesus is the temple um. But I think it actually I mean Man, this is what I hate about getting new bibles. So I sold the bible that i've been preaching at it with hebrews and I had it marked up and stuff and and now uh.
Like before we got on here we actually I didn't I didn't have a plan of what was going to do. So I just asked him I said so if you can get in this talk about we'll go to daniel nine. We're shooting from the hip right now.
We're shooting from the hip and so, uh in the hebrews. For some reason I just it. What are you thinking? Maybe I gotta mark but so i'm just Thinking that this is speaking about him Going In his in his ascension, so whenever he ascends to the father he Pierces through the clouds like this is it's it's talking about him going into the temple.
Because the temple was actually I think it's in hebrews 10 for some reason i'm going to say 10 Um Moses was given a picture of the temple in order to build the tabernacle. Yep. And so the uh. Maybe it's let me see for this.
Now this might not be it but let me read it real quick. For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form. Of these realities that can never by the same sacrifice.
That are continually offered every year make perfect those who draw near otherwise. Would they have come and offered? Hold on I don't know man. But I would say with that. Yeah. Yeah, but but but but but I would say this is definitely talking about jesus uh passing through.
Which i'm not saying that you're wrong for sure. Because I do believe that he's he's the temple, but I do believe that this is Him ascending like the fulfillment of this would be him ascending. This is talking about his ascension.
And and and maybe next time that we get on here I can kind of yeah Harken back to this point to to give my bible verse. Yeah, I did a sermon kind of connecting it to it cool so.
So I I have here in in hebrews chapter 9 i'm just looking. I don't know if this is where you're looking for but uh, verses 19 to 28 talks about how. Uh, we've been sprinkled, uh, or how in the old testament that they would sprinkle blood.
Goes on to talk about sprinkling both the tabernacle and the vessels of the ministry with the blood. And then it goes on to say. For christ did not enter a holy place made with hands. A mere copy of the true one but into heaven itself now to yes, that's it appear in the presence of god for us.
Is that the one you're looking for? I think so. Nor was it that he should talk about this. Uh. Yeah.
This when he ascends he appeared into a holy place and he's and he's bringing You know his sacrifice to god. And so I do believe it's speaking on the ascension. And I do 100 believe that jesus is the temple for sure.
Like I know what you mean. Yeah, and we might be cutting hairs on a lot on all some of these verses because We're going to be pointing at the same jesus christ throughout this entire text, right? I I would hold it because it talks about the anointing the most holy place.
I I do think that that's speaking about specifically. Though jesus was our temple and tabernacled with us before he Was anointed by the holy spirit. I think that it's it's calling out to his anointing from the holy spirit after his baptism.
Is how I would apply this verse. Yeah, man. I wouldn't be surprised if it's all above like it true.
Yeah, I mean except for the future sense. We're not saying this. Yeah. Yeah. No.
Yeah, I mean I mean because it's like well is jesus our bride. I'm our bridegroom or are we his body right? It's like Yeah.
Yeah, amen. We're also stones being built upon one another. Yeah. And all these other things. I like it. So maybe maybe we go on to verse 25 now. Yeah I'll read it for you. It says i'll read from the the one paul used the 77 and asb so.
And verse 25 it says. So you are to know. And discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild jerusalem until Messiah the prince there will be 70 weeks. And 62 weeks it will be built again.
With plaza and moat even in times of distress. So, what would what would be your take on verse 25 since I kind of led a little bit into verse 24.
Well, I definitely would say that. Let's see. Uh verse 25 I would see. Three things taking place the word to rebuild and restore jerusalem the coming of the anointed one of prince. And 70 weeks well seven weeks and 62 weeks.
So I would say that the word to rebuild and restore jerusalem, I believe. Which i've already said this I believe is given by king guard exert season 457 bc. Uh. The seven weeks although separate in language.
They are not separate. In time seven weeks seven weeks plus 62 weeks comes to 69 weeks which equals 483 years. Trouble times is speaking of ezra nehemiah. You can go back and read they started building.
Working on the temple. Yep that uh, 83 years from 457 bc comes to 27 ad. Where it comes to the anointed one? Uh a prince. Started his ministry. So i'm right here. I believe that this is the start of his ministry.
I believe that the prince to be none other than the lord. Jesus christ amen. Um. Again, you can go to uh. Yeah.
That's basically it. So what would you say when it says it will be built again with plaza and moat. Even in times of distress, would you say that that's speaking about speaking of the second temple?
Yeah, and and again with troubles you would go back to. If you want to read about what happened you would find that that uh story play out in ezra nehemiah. Yep.
I agree with. I agree with all that for sure. So I'm trying to think of if there's anything we need to address in something like this. It says the word messiah in here verse 25. Or an anointed one so it's speaking about.
Instead of saying the word messiah it could be said the anointed one the prince. There will be seven. Uh seven weeks and 62 weeks. I think that that anointed one is is calling back to just the previous verse where it says them to anoint the most holy.
I think that I think that there's definitely something to be said there that that. The word anoint is is being drawn on again from there. Yeah. So yeah, so I would say that that 25.
26 and 27 are basically exegeting.
24 for sure. I agree with that. Yeah. So then maybe in verse 26 um. It says then after the 62 weeks the anointed one the messiah will be cut off and have nothing and the people of the prince Who is to come will destroy the city?
And the sanctuary and its end will come with flood even to the end. There will be war desolations are determined. What's your take on that brother jeff. Because I know I know where you're going to go with this and i'm excited.
Uh, well.
We have four things going on in verse 26, I believe that we have the 62 weeks. We have an anointed one that comes and is cut off and has nothing the people of the Three we have the people of the prince who is to come destroys the city.
And then we have uh, the fourth thing that's going on is its end comes with a flood war and desolations are decree. Yeah, so to. So To tackle, uh the one I mean you have to go back to verse 25 in a way for the nth seed it the 62 weeks.
You have to add the seventh week. So it's the 62 weeks because They're separate in language, but they're not in time. So there's no parenthesis here. The 62 weeks plus one week equals 69 weeks. Where the anointed one comes and is cut off this anointed one That is to be cut off is the anointed one the prince again hence the antecedent to verse 25.
Yep, who is to come? The word cut off here in verse 26 throughout church history cut off has cut off and have nothing has always been interpreted as The crucifixion. I do not take that position though.
And here's why. Um. Let's see, I don't want to let's see I do not take that position and here's my reasons. The 70 weeks i'm just fixing to break it down. Okay. I'm trying not to overthink it but the 70 weeks 490 years 490 years from 457 bc comes to 34 ad one week comes one week is minus one week.
Is 483 years, which is 27 ad I take the position that At this time 27 ad is where jesus Is is when the anointed one the prince jesus started his ministry, which we've already walked through that. Yep I have jesus being crucified in 30 ad not 27.
So so if if if if he's Cut off in the 69th week. That's 27 ad. That's whenever he got baptized. You see what i'm saying? So by the numbers he can't be crucified the year that he got baptized. So he started his week in 27 ad during the 69th week.
30 ad would be in the middle of the 70 weeks of daniel the 70th week of daniel or 486 years or one 86 and one and a half year. So just on the timing alone gives good reasons to deny that interpretation of church history.
The words cut off Does not have to mean to be killed killed to to be killed. Kill or to be executed or to be crucified. It can mean to be rejected from your people To be cut off from his people. Here's two verses that I would give leviticus 720 and genesis 1714.
I think I would go there. Um, if you want to look at one and then i'll read one. Yeah, if you get leviticus i'll get genesis.
Leviticus and where was I at? Leviticus 720 720 copy.
Would be one reason I would hold this position and i'll get uh, genesis.
1714 70 and 1714 while you're turning there. You want me to read leviticus 720 right now? Yeah, okay. Uh, but the person who eats the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings which belong to the lord in his uncle Uncleanliness that person shall be cut off from his people.
All right. So does that mean? Killed. It says crucify right there. Yeah. Yeah.
Or how about right here? We're talking about circumcision. Any uncircumcised male who is Uh, not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people. He has broken my covenant. All right, does that mean To be crucified does that mean to be killed?
Now in in in in isaiah chapter 53. I do believe we're at space about cut off that that could be talking about him being crucified. Yep, but it doesn't always have to mean that is my point right now when jesus.
Now, uh, we know that jesus was the anointed prince. He came to his own and his own people did not receive him. John 1 11. But to all who did receive him to them. He gave the right to become children of god, right?
Jesus said of himself that he had nothing Of luke 9 58. And so I believe that That when he started his earthly ministry, he was rejected by his own people. He was cut off From the jews. They did not receive him as their earthly as the king as the messiah.
So to be clear I take the position that the anointed one Being cut off means that he was rejected by his people. At the time of his earthly ministry in 27 ad the next two points I would point to I believe jumps beyond the 70 weeks of daniel.
So I believe like right here in verse 26 where it talks about Its end shall come with a flood. And to the end there shall be war. Desolation is our decree. I do not believe this is talking inside the 70 week Perimeter that we're given.
I believe that this has taken us to 80 66 to 80 70. Whenever jerusalem is finally destroyed. Does that make sense?
Yeah. Let me look something up real fast. Keep on going with that thought though. I I agree with that that portion there. I I would disagree with some of the stuff that you said earlier, but so you're you're saying that the the halfway week or the The week and a half or the yeah, three and a half weeks.
That it would be the the 70 destruction of the of no, no, no, is that what you're saying?
No, no, so right here. So let me read it and i'll kind of walk through it. I'll give very little Commentary it says. And after the 62 weeks. The anointed one shall come and be cut off. So I believe that this is when jesus was was baptized.
And he was cut off he was rejected by his own people and he had nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come. So the prince who is to come I believe that to be jesus the nearest antecedent to the prince who is to come.
Is the anointed one? In verse 26 and it is the anointed one in verse 25, so uh Word prince here. It has not introduced anyone outside of the anointed prince. You have the prince who and the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city in the sanctuary.
I believe this is speaking of of jesus. Jesus comes and judges his people and I believe that in his end shall come with a. With a with a flood and this and so it's in and I believe that this is talking about when jesus Comes on the cloud.
He comes as yahweh and he executes the judgment. And this took place in 70 ad but this this war would have broken out at the. At the jewish revolt which started in 66 ad. Okay I like it. Yeah. So what would you take on this?
So likewise, um. Since since I would start my decree from cyrus and and having that understanding i'm trying to look up real fast i'm trying to remember where uh Jesus talks about us entering into his rest and him being our sabbath and talking about that and I I can't Like like we said earlier we're shooting from the hip on here.
So i'm i'm I don't have all the bible verses up. So so my my take on this on this is that these numbers in here have some theological implications first starting with 490. Not having a literal numerical value that's going to be given to it.
Just like daniel didn't take the literal 70 years. And even if you were to look at. And I I won't go back on that. But anyway, so understanding those in a theological implication rather than an actual numerical value I would say that christ is that that resting place that we enter into his rest.
That's the 490 in here and it's speaking of in verses. And i'll read it again here in 25. So it says so You are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree which I would say is is cyrus to restore and rebuild jerusalem until Messiah or the anointed one and that's calling from verse 24 speaking about the christ.
Uh, the prince there will be 70 weeks. And 62 weeks it will be built again and with plaza and moat even in times of distress. Then and I agree with you with with going to ezra and whatnot. It says even in times of distress.
Then after the 62 weeks the messiah will be cut off and I would I would place this at the crucifixion and. The the reason I I feel like I I would be justified in doing something like this is that you don't hold to a literal I don't hold to a literal numerical value that it's speaking of the theological implication is how I would approach something like this.
And so I would say daniel was at the 70th. He was near in the 70th week. Yeah, and then actually said that it would end in 70 weeks.
Well, and the point of it is is is that cyrus's decree? I want to say it comes a couple years shy of a literal 70 years of desolation for jerusalem. So even even in so my my takeaway on something like this is that Daniel's asking in a prayer about a number that he should already know.
But he's still asking about it and he's being told about a prophetic future in reference to his numerical questions that he's asking and I think I think that the way I approach something like this is that that therefore just continuing on with there.
Therefore I wouldn't have a numerical issue with saying that the messiah being cut off is speaking about the crucifixion because I think that's the That christ is that rest and it's being through him being cut off that Rejection when the the jews say we have no king but caesar that kind of stuff.
And then it would go on to say that And have nothing and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city in the sanctuary and it will end With will and its end will come with a flood even to the end there will be war.
Desolation is to be determined and then it goes on to talk about the the week and a half and all that I would agree with you. I think that from the the crucifixion of christ. Um, that's the beginning of the three and a half week 70 ad comes about at the destruction of the jerusalem the temple.
We're not at the halfway. So we're not in verse 27. We're not there yet. I know I know I I would so I would hold to uh, verse 25 and 26 being talking about the the crucifixion of christ is where i'm talking about I guess where I was going with that was was how you were talking about 66 ad is where you would say that that that verse there at the end of verse 26 being that that There will be war and desolation does desolation determined.
I I agree with you on that that time placement on there.
So so what about 27 ad. Do you want to go ahead and finish your thought with that and then i'll come in?
Yeah, so let me just read it real fast. So it says and he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week. But in the middle of the week, he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering and on the wing of abomination.
Will come one who makes desolate even until a complete Destruction one that is decreed is poured out On the one who makes desolate and so my takeaway on on something like this and since since daniel is asking When is this temple when is this desolation going to stop when is the temple going to be rebuilt?
Uh, the angel is finishing with talking about the destruction of this new temple that will be issued here soon and I I do think that I would hold to the the The pre-trib or not the pre-trib. What am I saying partial preterist view on something like this that it was Uh speaking about the son of man coming in on clouds of judgment.
Uh destroying that temple that blaspheme the name of god the one that christ cast out the money gatherers out of. Uh walked away from gave his mount of all of that discourse upon looking at the temple knowing all that.
It's speaking about that day. And I think that that's the three and a half years. That are the three and a half weeks that it's speaking of once again I'm, not holding to a literal taking of those numbers being three and a half Weeks three and a half years.
However, you want to approach that being three and a half. I wouldn't hold to a literal numerical value in it. But it's just saying that in the middle point between the messiah being cut off. And a second coming right or the the consummation of of his kingdom there's going to be some point in the middle somewhere that the the grain offerings, uh, those kind of things will be Completely put away and I think that that's speaking about the destruction of the temple in 70 a .d.
Yeah, so.
So not only Did it give 70 weeks? But it breaks it down into 490 years. All right. Yeah, and not only does it break it down into 70 weeks 490 years it separates into seven weeks 62 weeks the 69 weeks and then it breaks the last week down into Three and a half years and three and a half years.
That's specifically Going through and breaking down these numbers for sure because of that I would definitely hoe to the grammatical like like this is a literal A time being given to us that will be fulfilled as it's laid out.
And so when I come to verse 27 I see Again four things that he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week. Number two, I see that halfway through the week. He shall put an end to Sacrifice and offerings that should take you right back to verse 24.
On the wing of abomination shall come one who makes desolate. And then until the end decree to support out on the desolator so if you look At the I mean again, I know i'm just You know, i'm probably just uh tearing hairs apart right now, but it says and he.
And he shall make a strong covenant. Yep. So the the pre-millennial dispensationals would say that this he here is the antichrist. Yeah, and he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week that whenever this Antichrist figure comes and he makes a covenant with 10 nations.
Supposedly that this is the beginning of the 70 weeks of daniel. Yeah, but if you look the he here.
Where's its nearest antecedent? It's still coming from the messiah that was cut off earlier. Yes coming from the prince.
Yep, so they're calling the messiah. They're calling jesus the antichrist. You cannot introduce a word like he without giving the name first pointing to something like that's that. That doesn't work. Like like we need context of who you're talking about well the context of who this Speaking about is the messiah the prince and he Shall make a covenant with many for one week.
All right. So this would be in my opinion. This was. At his baptism, he makes a covenant with many for one week. And For half of the week he shall be and he shall put it into sacrifice and offerings. This is when he was the messiah was crucified three and a half years later into his ministry Jesus was crucified.
This is whenever I would have his death. This would have been around 30 ad probably in the middle. Uh, so so 30 Middle of 30 ad is when he was crucified. Yep. And and and and right here not he shall be cut off but right here where it says and he shall.
Uh, hold on. He shall put it in to sacrifice and offerings. Well, how does he put it in the sacrifice and offerings by him being that priest after the order of mechizedek? Not only is he the um. The um the priest he is the sacrifice.
So this is whenever he was crucified he put an end to sacrifice no longer do we have to uh,. The jews had to go back to temple and sacrifice lambs. Why because jesus had put an end to sin by being the sacrifice, right?
And so and so and so right here he would make a strong covenant. Uh with he would make a strong. Yeah, he would make a strong covenant with many for one week. So this is speaking about his disciples and those who are following him.
And for half of the week, he shall put it in to sacrifice and offerings. And right here this half part where it says and on the wing of an abomination. Again, I would point to the 70 ad on the wing of an abomination.
So but I would say that the abomination right here is them is the jews. Continuing to sacrifice. So he has put an end to sacrifice. They reject jesus and they continue to sacrifice animals on the wing of abomination.
Shall come one who makes desolate. What does desolate mean? It means that jerusalem will be emptied. Until the end is Decreed and I don't until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator. Mm-hmm and then the one who comes and even he even he is destroyed eventually, so right.
I i'm happy that you brought up the the antichrist portion of this because I was going to ask you a little bit more About that coming from you having come from that perspective. I I don't see that anywhere in this text.
So.
Uh, it isn't there it's not.
So and it it's kind of worrying because they really are by saying that that he is speaking of the antichrist. If You and I are correct it is blasphemy right. It's blasphemy. They're calling jesus the antichrist.
If listen anyone who's watching this. If you're reading this and you say verse 27, he shall come make a strong covenant. If you say that is the antichrist. You're calling. Look at me in the eyes. You're calling jesus.
The antichrist. Yeah, that's what you're doing. Stop it.
Stop it. Don't do that again, that's blasphemy. It's bad. It's real bad so. But uh continue on with with your take on something like this, so with with christ being crucified in in 30 ad middle somewhere in that area right.
Three and a half years after the 27 ad. Why would then the three and a half years then go on to 70 ad if that was to be a literal taking of that number? Because the 70 ad.
Would have ended in 34 ad and this would have been when the gospel would have went to the gentiles. This would have been when peter saw that sheet come down. This would have been when whenever peter I mean whenever paul would have been uh Knocked off his high horse and peter would have been sent to the house of cornelius and preached the gospel to the god fearers.
Okay. So it again it's showing that. That he the decree was set for his people to put it in all right. As soon as the 70 weeks is over with no longer. Is he dealing with the jews? Jesus's ministry was for the jews.
But he said that he had other sheep not of this folk. I gotcha you see what i'm saying so the so. He's crucified at 30 ad. But in 34 ad three and a half years later he would uh. Would have been the end of the 70 weeks peter sees the sheep coming down with the animals.
He's told him he can eat the uh, uh eat these. Judicial dietary laws are no more. Because his covenant with the people of the jews is no more. Yeah.
I'm tracking you. I've i've never heard that. Take on that with with the three and a half years being fulfilled in 34 ad with the with the gentiles then yeah.
I mean if you line it up, I mean peter goes out. Peter has that dream. Uh, he he sent to the god fearers you have gentiles coming to christ. Right after acts. Chapter 10 gentiles gentiles gentiles. Paul's been sent out to the gentiles.
Would you say that that's when the the The the gentile people so non-jewish people then therefore Received the gospel or would you say people were receiving the gospel gentiles prior? No, no, they wasn't.
Copy that. I mean you had like the the uh, the Samaritans but they were half jew. Yeah. But it still doesn't show anywhere in the book of acts them the samaritans receiving the holy spirit. Hmm.
That's not in tax. Chapter 10, I like it. I've never heard that take on daniel. Chapter 9. So. Well, it's not original with me so. Neither is mine. Yeah, neither is my view of this for sure. But I yeah, I thought you were gonna put the the later three and a half at the 70 ad.
I didn't even think about no absolutely again. There's no parenthesis. Yeah now. Again, I think there's there's stuff here that's talking about That but it's it's not putting those numbers there, right?
Like anytime where it talks about A destruction that's coming up, you know the the desolation. So I believe that the desolation comes upon them and once we go through matthew 24 I want to walk through it verse by verse eventually.
Yeah, and we'll come back to this where the abomination that causes desolation. Again, I would say the abomination is them they continue to sacrifice. After he has put an end to sacrifice and sins i'm tracking and he done that by being crucified.
That he is our sacrifice for sins. He Our us our sufficiency the sufficiency of christ. He has lived a life. We could not live. He has died the death that we should die. He stood in our stead. Uh that the acts of god's wrath that should have crushed me fell on christ.
And so the desolation is whenever jerusalem is Is is destroyed the temple is destroyed the temple falls. And so the reason why they're destroyed is that they that they because of the abomination. Mm-hmm the continuing sacrifice they continue to sacrifice after christ made the sacrifice.
So god sent the roman army. Yeah. To destroy them now, of course rome went in for one reason. They went in because of their jewish revolt. Yeah, it's kind of like I you know, like like the way that I use this pencil to write notes God used rome to execute his judgment.
Absolutely. Yeah, they went in for one purpose, but god sent them for another purpose. Yep.
So Continuing on with that the thought of of numbers real quickly. Um. Well, what would. Because if if i'm trying to remember the dates that We talked about with uh with 70 Years or 390 years, excuse me.
So, uh artist xerxes. Yeah.
Artists actually would have been 457 bc so.
Would you. When would you place the captivity of jerusalem by babylon? Um.
I don't know. I haven't I haven't I would I would say Um.
I don't know because i'm flipping through pages right now. But I so how I've always how i've taken it is that there was. Oh, man, um I think I would probably be somewhere around the 600 Bc time frame without looking at looking up the specific date.
But I think I would probably go to to the guy that you were you were referencing referencing. And say it would have been 70 years from him because I got you. Because because He told them to go but they did not go.
Yeah.
Yeah, and so what happened was what. From my understanding uh without like. Like I said, we're shooting from the hip so I don't have study notes all the way. But uh cyrus, uh. From the east the bird of prey from the east that's spoken of all throughout the book of isaiah naming him by name.
Which the book of isaiah was written? 730 bc. Um. Somewhere around that time frame. Hundreds of years. Not. Well. Almost hundreds of years before the birth of cyrus. Before cyrus was even the twinkling in his mom and dad's eye.
Many many years he names out this man cyrus. Uh that comes and is going to release the captives as he does. And he tells them to go back. They go back not only back to their land that that god promised to give back to them.
But he also sends them away with richer than what they were taken into captivity with. And uh I I I would say that. That that that 70 years was fulfilled and I want to say that the 70 years it doesn't even.
It I want to say from when they were taken into captivity from the time of cyrus's decree. It wasn't a a legitimate 70 years. It was still it was like 68 or 73 or something along those lines that it wasn't a truly a 70 years and so that's why I I tend to lean on the thought that that these numbers are supposed to be having a theological implication rather than a a historic implication.
I don't know is where I go with that.
You know, uh to be honest with you. I haven't looked into it. Yeah um. But uh, I definitely will yeah.
I i'm gonna look in because the even even in your Even in in that understanding of of 27 That could that could be thrown On the all meal or the post meal side. So I like it. I like those views when I can then when I can approach a text and i'll say oh, yeah.
There's also this view and this view and this view that all.
Fit within this this idea, right? Yes. Yes. I would like well like if i'm just shooting at the hip I would say that you know. They were told to do something. Mm-hmm. They did not do it. But they did obey at.
At from art is actually king art exercise, right? But I but but even in that I think I know that that's a part of god's plan. God is sovereign and sometimes you know, I mean like jesus tells the and And acts he tells them to go.
And once they receive the holy spirit. That they are to go into all the world and preach the gospel. Yeah, and they didn't. And and then he had to cause a persecution to take place and then they started to scatter.
And of course, I know the persecution was pretty predetermined also, yeah, absolutely, but you know, um,. But but but but they didn't you didn't see that happening in the book of acts, right? You know x chapter 10.
You know peter goes to the god fears, but they were they were keeping it in jerusalem. And so. Then the persecution saw the persecution of the church started breaking out. Well, then they started to high tell it.
Yep. So, I mean, it's one thing, you know being told to do something but so I don't think the the actual clock started ticking until they actually.
Left and and started building started building. I gotcha. Yeah, so.
So I wouldn't so so I wouldn't say that the 490 years Began the moment the 70 years ended. Ended. Okay. Yeah i'm tracking. Yeah.
Yeah, because I want to say I want to say When I studied this I want to say they built the foundation and then they just stopped if I remember, right? Like it was like the foundation was laid and it was In a generation past or something like that before they actually started building the temple, which once again just shows how how Depraved the ethnic israel was.
Not I mean terrible that we're not not that we're not i'm far worse, but it's crazy to see that in hindsight, right? Yep. Yeah. So yeah, that's where I was looking. So the luke 40 luke 4 18 through 19, I think is where I was looking for with that year of jubilee stuff.
Um. Uh, so and it would also come from leviticus Leviticus 25 54 through 55 leviticus 25 39 through 43. Just all those good old testament verses that talk about uh Having rest right we're talking about sabbath year of rest week of rest so on and so forth.
Uh, but I would say all that's fulfilled in christ whenever we You know, we come to christ. I mean hebrews speaks about it. He is our rest. Yep. You know, he is our sabbath. Yep. And so what is. What what does salvation look like it's resting in the finished work of christ.
Amen. I agree. Yeah, yeah, so I would 100 agree with that that he fulfills. He fulfills that. I mean if you just look at the uh, the first four uh commandments of the ten commandments, you know, it's love god and loving god.
The sabbath is is is in there the fourth commandment. Yep. All right, and then the the other six is loving your neighbor. Okay, so we have um first john chapter Two verse three says this is how we know that we have come to know him.
Yeah, and it's about it's going to tell you how if we keep his commandments now, it doesn't say that this is how we Come to know him. But this it says that this is how we know that we have come to know him.
If we keep his commandments whoever says that I know him and hasn't doesn't keep his commandments is a liar. And the truth is not in him. Yep. Well chapter three verse 24 Tells you what his commandments are.
It says and this is his commandments that we believe in the name of the son Jesus christ. And love our neighbor as ourselves. Amen. Believing in the name of the son. Jesus christ is how you fulfill. The first four commandments loving god.
And then we are called to love our neighbor as ourselves. Yep.
It's beautiful. I completely agree with that. Well, i'm going to read luke 4 18 through 19 real fast. So it says here the spirit of the lord, uh is upon me because he has anointed me to preach the gospel.
To the poor he is. Which talking about anointing, right? We what is the very first thing that we see jesus do when he's anointed after being baptized? He enters into galilee preaching the gospel of god saying the kingdom of god is at hand repent and believe the the gospel, right?
So we see a fulfillment of jesus doing that. Uh to preach the gospel to the poor he has sent me to proclaim. Release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind to set forth Uh to set free those who are downtrodden.
And to proclaim the favorable year of the lord, which is that that year of jubilee that I was talking about. Uh, and that comes from isaiah 61 verse 2 and leviticus 25 10 and so we see that like Like we were talking about everything that we see in the old testament that the the jews were supposed to keep what they were supposed.
To do what they had been commanded what they had been doing. It's always being fulfilled in christ in one way or another it it is christ is the fulfillment of all those things. That's why you can say i'm the fulfillment of all righteousness is because he fulfilled every single thing of those.
Yeah, I agree, yeah, I just wanted to read that.
Cool well, I mean, I mean we're right. Like we're really close man, but you know, you just got this thing with numbers and I do I do. Spiritualizing everything.
I do I like I like i've tried to point it to christ as much as I can. Okay. Yeah.
So. No, that's so next week. So so next week. I don't know if you're available next week. I know you uh, so you're you're scheduling with the fire department. Yeah. But um, so whenever the next time let's Let's do matthew 24 and we'll just slowly walk through it.
I like find out how. How much of a preterist you are?
I would have been I would have been more prepared for matthew 24 than I was for daniel. Chapter 9 tonight. That's for sure.
Matthew 24 at all.
Hey, that's good. Don't study about it. Wrong with it. No, yeah, so just as I and I think i've told you but my schedule works two days on so 48 hours. And then I have four days off and so it means that i'm always having a rotating schedule.
So this next thursday i'll be off but the week after that i'll i'll then miss the next two podcasts and then i'll be back on for four and then off to back for four off to so. Yeah, so I I will be here next week.
So matthew 24. I'm excited for that. That'll be real good. So there's a lot of language in there. So.
Yeah, well, it's uh, it's after midnight and in my home. That's uh so I better Get ready head to bed and wake up. And like I said, I got a few hours of work tomorrow, then i'll Finish preparing my sermon for this coming lord's day.
That's right. Preaching on acts chapter 2. You know baptism so nice.
Good stuff. It's good stuff. We need to do a podcast on that one day for sure. Yeah.
Yes, so what i'm thinking is as soon as i'm done with a reformed theology series. Then then maybe we'll do a reformed theology series on the on on here. That we can kind of go through.
So they can cheat and be ready to go. I like it. Well.
You know, I just don't want to say something. And someone in my congregation Knows what I believe are I already have the interpretation for the lord's day. So I know what you mean.
I know what you mean. Cool. Cool. Cool. Yeah. Well, sweet. Well, uh, it was a blessing being on Your live video again. This is. I have a good time doing this. I really do. So I appreciate your wife being able to share the time with you with me.
I really like doing it live like, you know, so if we mess up then everyone gets to see it, you know, so.
They can see the cogs turning in each other's heads and and so on and so forth. So yeah, I like it. I like it.
Well, man, it's starting it's it's it's really starting to get easier for me at first like doing these are tough. But really it's really starting to get easier the more I do it. So I'm, really enjoying it.
I look forward to doing it. Yeah so It's good hanging out with you my friend and likewise, yeah. And to everyone else man, uh, I know we didn't normally, we have a lot of Interaction on facebook. I don't have any.
So so so maybe 10 30 is not a sweet time to jump on.
No, I was really I was hoping for some comments and and some questions. Um, me too. Yeah, but next time yeah next time.
Well, you know I I didn't advertise it until yeah, you know an hour or so before. Yeah, yeah. Well, anyways, man, i'll we'll catch everybody next week next week. We'll have two podcasts going on and so.
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