The Early Middle Ages, The Crusades & The Rise of Scholasticism

So continuing in forerunners of the faith, this is a lesson Eight I believe and this will be a part two

So part two lesson number eight we covered one setting the stage we talked about the early

Middle Ages and then two we talked about Schism and then we got to number three, which is titled skirmishes

So this would be The lesson or the part of the lesson that focuses on the

Crusades So we'll pick up there in a moment talking about the

Crusades, but do you remember? Going back to the schism. What was the great schism at 1054?

I believe was the year it was the divide between what who knows?

East and West so you have the Roman Catholic Church in the West and What became known as Eastern Orthodoxy in the

East and they split over several issues But the final straw is when the

Catholic Church Added to the Nicene Creed and they did it without Consulting the churches in the east and that didn't make them very happy.

It's sort of sort of as a statement all All on its own right we can we can do whatever we want because we're in charge and that kind of goes to the

The next issue which really is the issue of the papacy and who has the authority so the

Western Church Which like I said became known as Roman Catholicism they say that the

Pope is in charge of the church worldwide and The people in the

East said no he's not and That was part of the divide as well another issue that split them and still continues to be a point of contention is

Icons remember we talked about this. It was at the end of a class and we sort of Ran out of time and The sort of the debate between the second commandment

Does that allow for pictures right? It says Make no graven image do not bow down to them nor serve them.

But what about a picture? I mean a picture isn't a graven image. So is a picture of Jesus.

Okay, and What did we determine? Well, I don't I'm not sure we determined anything.

I said bowing down to a picture showing Worship certainly or service or obedience to a photograph or a painting

I mean that that certainly seems like idolatry to me whether it's two -dimensional or three -dimensional.

I don't know that it matters but you'll find that Protestants and Baptists and Christians are kind of divided over the issue of whether or not it's it's right to make

Images of Jesus because we don't really know what he looks like and even if you did

Should you be making those images? Anyways, what do you think? I don't think it's only

Jesus. It's you know Statue of Mary or st. Michael or Peter or John or whatever?

Yeah Right Right, so yeah

Whether it's Peter or Mary or whoever or whatever if you're bowing down and showing service to a thing

Right that to me is pretty clear Shouldn't do that, but these pictures of Jesus.

I don't know I think a lot of Christians probably don't have an issue with it. But some do anyways, that was something that we talked about and then we got into the

Crusades so the Crusades that's the two things that people always bring up against Christianity which

I might argue it's it's against Catholicism. Like I'm not I don't necessarily

Consider Catholicism my heritage, you know So yeah the Catholic Church went on these

Crusades and Sort of people will smear all Christians because of what the

Catholic Church did but the Crusades did happen A lot of terrible things did take place although you know, why did they start because Pilgrims were traveling to the the

Holy Land to Jerusalem and they're being robbed and killed by The Muslims so there

I mean there was a legitimate reason for military Military activity, but anyways

We'll continue on in this lesson number three skirmishes their Crusades which occurred from 1095 through 1291 so this is what you had to fill in in your book

You see the section you had to fill it in and it starts with the year 1095 to 1099.

Do you see that in section 3? Okay. So the what did you fill in that first blank in?

section 3 You should have wrote the first Crusade So the first Crusade from 1095 to 1099 resulted in the conquest of Jerusalem and the establishment of several

Crusader kingdoms from a military perspective the first Crusade was

Successful. Now again, that's not to say that it was morally, right? That's not the argument that this book or the people that wrote this book are making but they're saying it was successful The next paragraph when one of the

Crusader kingdoms Odessa fell to Muslim armies a what?

second Crusade Was commissioned that's from 1147 to 1149

Bernard of Clairvaux Was one of its supporters the second

Crusade failed to achieve its military Objectives. Okay.

So the fruit first Crusade things worked out. Well From a military perspective the second one did not

What's your impression on the Crusades overall positive or negative? Who says positive you had a positive impression on the

Crusades Stories of the past what happened.

Mm -hmm Your own overtaking the

Muslims and retaking Jerusalem, oh, yeah Yeah Yeah Most people have a negative impression of the

Crusades I think it's safe to say that and as far as the one the man you just mentioned

Richard the third Crusade from 1189 to 1192 was organized in response to the military conquest of Saladin the sultan of Egypt and Syria who reconquered

Jerusalem in 1187 this crusade Involved Kings like Frederick Barbarossa of the

Holy Roman Empire and Richard the Lionheart of England in spite of the fame of its leaders

This crusade was unable to reconquer Jerusalem, so the first successful second failure third

Failure and then we get to the fourth crusade. It says the situation worsened dramatically in the year 1204 after a series of political twists and turns the

Western Crusaders sacked the city of Constantinople instead of defending the

Byzantine Empire the initial purpose of the Crusades Or that was the initial purpose of the

Crusades the soldiers of the fourth crusade attacked and looted its capital city in This way if the

Crusades may have done more to weaken the Byzantine Empire Than to preserve it

So you see that the whole purpose was to defend them and then the soldiers go in they get carried away and they end up You know sacking and looting the city.

So yeah probably did more harm Than good in the subsequent decades several more

Crusades would be fought ending in defeat and disaster by 1291 the

Crusaders had been pushed out of The Middle East and we had talked about last time how people who live in the

Middle East still like the Crusades It's still in their mind. They were brought up being taught that oh the

Christians They once came into our land and they committed these atrocities and so a lot of Middle Easterners still think this way that the

Christians are bad because Mainly of the Crusades and then they'll point to modern activity as well.

But yes, Barb Sure Yeah, I mean that's one problem with Indulgences and I don't know that much about it

I don't know the specific claims, but I know these claims still exist where they will tell people.

Yes travel to Rome Travel to Jerusalem if you climb these steps say a prayer at this site give money when you visit this place

You'll get time off purgatory. So yeah, obviously the faithful Catholics Traveled to these areas which were very dangerous and that did help create the problem

Now I do think the Muslims are to be blamed to a large degree as well.

I mean they were Killing people and committing violent acts as well, but still

You think about today? What if what if there is a place? Well think think of North Korea or There's no reason why

Christians would travel to North Korea except maybe on a missionary endeavor But if if a church or a pastor was encouraging people

Hey travel to this spot travel to Yemen travel and you know that people that go there and getting

Attacked or maybe killed I mean, yeah, what point is the church responsible for?

Telling people to go to these places and obviously the whole getting time off of purgatory is bogus anyways, but Okay, that's that's a good point any other comments about the

Crusades All right, let's turn to Ephesians chapter 6 we're gonna read a passage of Scripture because Even though we think of the

Catholic Church, okay, they're they're listening to the Pope. They're listening to the hierarchy they have their traditions and as Protestants and evangelicals we think well they put their traditions ahead of Scripture, which

I think they do in many cases But still the Catholic Church did

Try to have some biblical basis for what they were doing Here's the thing a church even even a cult every person every group

Everybody always has a verse to justify What they think or their behavior and and you know this the real issue is whether or not they're taking that verse

In context and they're right or are they taking it out of context and they're just twisting it to justify the unjustifiable so Apparently one of the passages they used was

Ephesians chapter 6. So we're gonna read verses 10 through 18 The just here's the discussion question.

I'll read it We'll look at the passage and then we'll ask the question again So read

Ephesians 6 10 through 18 What is the proper? interpretation and application of that passage and What would you say to someone who used that passage?

To justify going on a crusade. Okay, let's read Ephesians 6 10 through 18

So the Apostle Paul writes finally my brethren be strong in the Lord and in the power of his might

Put on the whole armor of God that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil for we do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against Principalities against powers against the rulers of the darkness of this age against spiritual hosts of wickedness in Heavenly places therefore take up the whole armor of God that you may be able to withstand in the evil day and Having done all to stand stand therefore having girded your waist with truth

Having put on the breastplate of righteousness and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace above all taking the shield of faith

With which you are able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one and then take the helmet of salvation

And the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the

Spirit being watchful to this end with all Perseverance and supplication for all the

Saints. Okay. So the first question is what is the proper? Interpretation and the proper application of that passage

Anyone want to share with the class? What's the proper interpretation? Brad Exactly it's about yes

Spiritual warfare and then you're sort of already answering the second question, but let's just stay on this for one moment

Spiritual warfare do we all agree with that? Well, let's go back verse 10

He says be strong in the Lord and the power of his might Put on the whole armor of God and then he goes, you know, the helmet and the shield and the sword but he's not talking about a literal sword right because he says that the sword is is the

Word of God, so he's not Actually talking about a literal shield or literal armor.

I mean that's painfully Obvious and then there's the statement for we do not wrestle against flesh and blood

Right. So that I mean, there you go This isn't actually talking about a physical conflict.

So That next question. What would you say to someone who? Used that passage to justify going on a crusade.

So let's imagine you're living in the 10th 11th century and you're part of the

Catholic Church You're in the hierarchy somewhere and they're talking about. Hey, Ephesians 6, you know, let's let's go to the

Holy Land Let's gear up and we're gonna go on a crusade. We're gonna defeat the Muslims. Let's go based on Ephesians 6, what would you say?

Well, you might not say anything because you'd be afraid of what happened to you, you know Maybe you'd be locked up or something.

I don't know but Yeah, so I mean one simple thing you could say is excuse me,

I'll give Aaron a chance go ahead Yeah That's not a real press play right yeah, yeah

Linda Right Hope said or whoever's in charge and they were

I mean it was like they would be saying That person knows more than I do so they must be right, right

Yeah, yeah whatever the preacher says whatever the Pope says whatever the leaders say because And in fairness a lot of the average common folk

They wouldn't know the average person didn't have a Bible in their hand until what the 1700s 1800s until it was common in every house 1900s, maybe

I don't know So, yeah, it would be really easy to sort of do people or they're just They're taught from a very early age that you just don't question the leadership

I mean, that's still a thing in churches. Whatever the leadership says you do not question them now

I we've talked about the cults before and I did a video on the cults and You know,

I get a lot of people on YouTube Commenting and the one of the most common comments that I get

Why didn't you mention the Catholic Church because I brought up the Jehovah's Witnesses the Mormons Seventh -day

Adventists and the Christian scientists like the four major cults and people ask me again and again

Why didn't you bring up the Catholic Church? Well Typically people don't consider the

Catholic Church a cult because they're so big they're considered a world Religion, but in some ways they did operate in that way where you cannot question the

Pope so anytime you have a church or an organization where the person on top even like with our form of government like you as Americans like we can question the people in authority like it's we the people that's the way it's supposed to be

You need to be able to hold people in power accountable So when leaders are not

Accountable and they cannot be questioned. I mean that's cult like activity is my point

So but yeah people were taught that you just don't question the leadership so so what

Ephesians 6 says what it means what it doesn't mean really Wasn't the issue to us that's important because we look at scripture.

We want to take it in context We want to understand it properly, but that just wasn't Wasn't really a thing back then for a lot of people so my response would be simple hey, you're taking

Ephesians 6 out of context and To the person who is reasonable and willing to listen that should be pretty easy to prove you agree with that Okay, any other comments on this?

section We're gonna move on From this subject of the Crusades, so if there's anything you want to talk about Ask a question regarding the

Crusades now is your chance because we're moving on once and for all once we do

Okay, so Crusades Generally bad. Okay, the the

Inquisition was bad a lot of abuse a lot of people tortured

And They used verses out of context to their talk about Moses and Deuteronomy and the law for Israel We're not

Israel and those types of things And actually they ended up killing Bible believers not just heretics, but The Crusades, I think it's kind of a mixture.

I don't think you can blame Christians or even the Catholic Church completely because the

Muslims are at least 50 % at fault so I'm just gonna put that out there and We'll move on Okay section number four scholars

Scholars, so this is the rise of scholasticism Says during this period things began to change in European education the first European universities were established as education shifted from monasteries to Universities the earliest

Universities in Europe were started in Bologna. That's in the year 1088

Oxford in 1096 Paris in 1150 and then Cambridge was established in the year 1209 so when you think of universities today, we think of them as places that are

Absolutely, you know the least Christian of all places But originally universities were founded by Christians or at least nominal

Christians, of course, you probably knew that right? You know, we think of places like Harvard I don't know if Yale was

I know Harvard Harvard was started as Yeah, theological seminary a lot of a lot of universities have that background

Yep, yep. So yeah, Holy Cross. I mean that it's in the name So the earliest universities in Europe, I already read that part a new method of learning called

Scholasticism began to develop within monastic schools during the time of Charlemagne.

So this is 748 2814 it became the dominant approach to learning in medieval universities

Scholasticism accompanied the rediscovery in the West of Greek philosophy and in particular

Who what Greek philosopher? Did they really look to man named begins with an a?

Aristotle Okay, so there's what three big Aristotle Socrates and Plato right who is first?

Does anyone know I knew at one point I forgot but Anyone want to help

Socrates was first Okay, well nobody's sure two of the most important Scholastics were

Anselm of Canterbury so he lived from 1033 to 1109 and then the other is

Thomas Aquinas who lived from 1225 to 1274 so out of these two names, which one do you recognize?

But who knows Anselm who's heard of Anselm? Okay, who's heard of Thomas Aquinas?

I mean, I think most everybody has heard of Sometimes it's called st.

Thomas Aquinas He has been given a position within the

Catholic Church He's called the doctor of the church because of he was so brilliant and added so much to their

Theology, of course, there's a school right in Northfield now st. Thomas Aquinas College is that what it is and It's it's a

Catholic school. I'm assuming right? Okay. So the Moody Center It's like the campus

NMH campus was split in half Half of it goes to the Protestants for the

Moody Center and then half goes to the Catholics for st. Thomas Aquinas Yeah, yeah,

I don't I don't doubt it So two of the most important scholar scholastics are these two men?

one notable contribution made by Anselm was his articulation of the

Satisfaction theory of the atonement. So this is very important Rather than seeing

Jesus's death as a ransom paid to Satan a View held by some in the early

Middle Ages Anselm taught that Christ's death Satisfied the debt that sinners owe to God the 16th century

Protestant reform reformers would build on this understanding of the atonement.

So let's turn to the book of Isaiah if you would does anyone know which chapter of Isaiah you want to take a guess which chapter we're turning to Come on, somebody knows this.

What do you say? 53 very good exactly Isaiah chapter 53.

Okay, so there is this view that Jesus paid a debt right on the cross

He he paid for our sins and the question is this ransom that was paid

Who is he paying it to? So one view in the Middle Ages and by the way, this view still exists

There are people who believe this that the debt was being paid to who Satan Now if you believe that or believe that up until right now and you're like, oh no,

I didn't know that was wrong I better change you know, you don't have to admit that but Where would someone get this idea that the debt was paid to Satan?

I Don't know. I can't think of a verse offhand or an argument But that's what some people believe

But we know that the debt was paid to God So we're gonna read Isaiah 53 in just a moment, but two centuries after Anselm Thomas Aquinas wrote

Two important works the Summa Contra Gentiles and Summa Theologica and these works

Thomas brought Aristotelian philosophy to bear on Christian theology, so that's kind of a whole other subject that we're not getting into But there's there's some

Christians that they think a Greek philosophy It's a good thing that it's been kind of incorporated into the church and it's it's helped a lot

And then there's other people who think no this this Greek philosophy needs to be kept completely away from Christianity So some people think this is a good thing some not a good thing famously

Thomas st. Thomas Or you know when we call him st

Who has an issue with that calling him st. Thomas Aquinas anyone? Okay a couple

Because here's you probably know this but the Catholic Church, what do they do? They they canonize somebody as a saint.

So after they die The Pope or the Catholic hierarchy will say this person

And there's a whole process a few miracles have to be done by them From beyond I don't know how you determined that they performed a miracle from another world.

But anyways two miracles have to be performed By that dead saint and then it goes through a process

So you remember when Pope John Paul the second died and whatever 2003? He was canonized as a saint a couple years later

So in the Catholic system, there are these people that are just high and above everyone else they are the

Saints, of course, we know that biblically a saint is just a Christian like like Paul writes to the

Saints in this city or this city So every true believer is a saint biblically, but anyways

Thomas articulated several classical arguments for the existence of God these include the cosmological argument namely that God is the unmoved mover or the first cause of the universe and then the

Teleological argument that God is the designer behind the order found in nature

Through his writings Thomas became one of the most influential thinkers in the history of the

Western Church And anyone still to this very day if you go to Bible College seminary You're gonna hear about the cosmological argument and all these other things

So we'll come back to that if you want if we have time, but let's read Isaiah 53 1 through 12 and we're gonna

We're gonna see whether or not the scripture really teaches this idea that the debt was paid to God or was the debt paid to Satan, okay,

Isaiah 53 1 through 12 The Prophet writes who has believed our report and to whom has the arm of the

Lord been revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant as a root out of dry ground

He has no form or comeliness and when we see him There is no beauty that we should desire or no beauty that we should desire him

So Isaiah is speaking prophetically about who? Jesus some seven hundred years before Jesus was even born

Isaiah is prophesying about Israel's Messiah verse three he is despised and rejected by men a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief and We hid as it were our faces from him.

He was despised and we did not esteem him Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows yet.

We we esteem him stricken smitten by God and Afflicted he was wounded for our transgressions

He was bruised for our iniquities and the chastisement for our peace was upon him and by his stripes

Or by his wounds we are healed We all like sheep have gone astray

We have turned everyone to his own way and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all

So this is the idea that Jesus died for our sins God took all of the sin of God's people placed it on Christ Says he was oppressed and he was afflicted yet.

He did not open his mouth He was led as a lamb to the slaughter and as the sheep before his shearers is silent

You remember when Jesus stood before? Herod for example, he didn't say a word So he opened not his mouth verse 8.

He was taken from prison and from judgment and who will declare his generation for he was cut off from the land of the living for the transgressions of my people he was stricken and They made his grave with the wicked

But with the rich at his death because he had done no violence nor was any deceit in His mouth.

So what does that mean that they made his grave with the wicked? Well, Jesus died with two criminals, right one on one side another criminal on the other side

But at the same time with the rich in his death Well, you remember

Joseph of Arimathea a rich Jew He paid for Jesus's tomb.

So Jesus got a brand new tomb that only a rich man could afford First ten yet it pleased the

Lord to bruise him He has put him to grief when you make his soul an offering for sin.

He shall see his seed He shall prolong his days and the pleasure of the

Lord shall prosper in his hand. So you shall he died but yet The Lord will prolong his days.

What's that a reference to? The resurrection, right? He shall see the labor of the soul and be satisfied by his knowledge my righteous

Servant shall justify many for he shall bear their iniquities Therefore I will divide him a portion with the great and he shall divide the spoil with the strong because he poured out his soul unto death and he was numbered with the

Transgressors and he bore the sin of many and made intercession for the transgressors

So very clear prophecy about Jesus we could just go through all the things that he fulfilled pretty clear

But what's the question? going back to This discussion question read

Isaiah 53 1 through 12. So in light of Anselm Satisfaction theory of the atonement of Christ in this familiar passage written

Roughly 700 years before the birth of Jesus the Prophet Isaiah predicts the sufferings of Jesus Okay, we saw that here's the question.

What does a passage like this? Teach us about the atoning work of Christ on the cross

What does it teach us? any ideas What?

It's complete Okay, once for all it tells us Exactly how it happened

But who here's the real question who was satisfied as a result of Jesus's death now

Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think Satan was mentioned at all here No.

All right. So where's the verse that says that God was satisfied? Well Yeah verse 10 it

Pleased the Lord. Okay all capital letters capital L capital O capital

R capital D Which is the name of God Yahweh Jehovah it pleased?

Jehovah to bruise Jesus and he has put him to grief

God has put him to grief and he made his soul an offering for sin So all of this was to justify

God's Justice so I mean this is the this is the whole concept of the gospel that God is holy.

He's righteous and mankind is unholy mankind is sinful and all of sin and come short of the glory of God and because man is sinful

God must punish sin if God is a Holy God if God is a

God of justice, he has to punish wrongdoing, right? I saw a clip from a it's a

Presbyterian seminary this man, you know, reverend doctor whoever and he is a pastor and he's the head of a

Presbyterian seminary and he was talking about one of the parables of Christ and he said how absurd it is

Ridiculous it contradicts everything we know about God if this is the way God is

I won't I don't want anything to do I mean he was just like shredding the Bible and you wonder why do people like this go into you know into religion?

Well, I think I know why you know, they want to creep in and kind of break it down from inside But he said the cot the idea that God would punish anybody is just repulsive That was his main point that God is in heaven and he's he's gonna punish people.

That's Just absolutely repulsive. I mean, what's the problem with that that thinking?

Let's let's take this down to a human level Let's say there are people running around Franklin County committing

Horrible crimes rape murder, you know grand theft auto all this stuff And then they're brought before a judge and that judge is like, you know,

I'm just so loving I'm just gonna let these murderers and rapists back out on the streets to go Now would you say that judge is righteous?

No, the judge is absolutely corrupt He's he's a wit He's a wicked judge because he is kind of aiding and abetting the criminal and he's letting them go out to commit even more crimes so the idea that God is doing something wrong because he's punishing sin.

No, that's why God is righteous. That's why he is a God of justice But at the same time

God is also a savior and he loves mankind and he sees that all of man has fallen short so out of his

He's filled with wrath, but he's also filled with mercy and out of his mercy He sent

Christ to die on the cross not to satisfy the devil Christ satisfied

God's demand for justice, right Jesus paid for our sins.

So instead of God punishing us Whether it be in this life or in the life to come

Jesus took that punishment for us. So he satisfied God's justice, right?

Isn't that like the whole the concept of the gospel itself? But as soon as you take out one part, you know

It just doesn't make sense and then it all breaks down and that's what that a

Seminary president was trying to do. He is just trying to deconstruct and dismantle the gospel, but okay, so we're all set and firm on this idea that it was

The the justice of God that was satisfied. Amen Okay, any comments or questions on that?

All right, anyone want to bring up this idea of the Cosmological argument or the teleological argument if you're gonna raise your hand you're gonna bring it up You're gonna have to give a definition because I'm a little rusty on this stuff.

Okay, I Did learn it but then it's like it's one of those things you're in school

You know, when am I ever gonna use this and then you know If you don't look at it for a few years, you kind of forget anyone wanna

Who's heard of it at least Cosmological argument. Okay, so the people who went to Bible College her heard of it.

Okay, I Never found it all that compelling Except that Romans chapter 1.

Let's just turn their Romans 1 I Forget what the context was, but we looked at Psalm 19 within the past week or two

You know the heavens declare the glory of God the firmament showeth his handiwork The idea that you can simply look up at the night sky.

I Think this ties into the cosmological argument, but the idea that simply by observing

Nature by observing the creation, you know that there's a creator This might be a separate argument, but if you were walking along the sidewalk and you found a watch

And you pick it up and there's this Watch that the watch is evidence of what a

Watch maker, right? So if you're looking around at the creation, it's evidence of a

Creator, so it's the same idea. Yes, Aaron Okay. Yeah Speak loudly so we can all hear

Contingency dependency or finitude with respect to the universe or some total totality of objects

Okay, you got that Yeah, all right let thank you

I mean Yeah, yeah

Yeah, and that that that is a powerful argument. I was thinking of a different one That says something to the effect that if you can imagine it it must exist

There's some argument that's similar. Anyways, I don't want to get stuck on that but Romans 1

Yeah Romans 1 20 look at it.

It says For well, let's go back to 19 Because what may be known of God is manifest in them for God has shown it to them for since the creation of the world

God's invisible attributes are clearly seen being understood by the things that are made

Even his eternal power and Godhead so that they that is men are without excuse

So in other words, you know man knows that God exists and then Paul goes on to Romans 1

To say that man takes that knowledge of God and he suppresses it man wants to live life on his own terms

He doesn't want God telling him what to do so he takes that knowledge we know there's a God and we suppress it and then people corrupt it and Worship, you know idols and everything else

Okay, so we are almost done. Let's just quickly cover this last section

For was scholars the rise of scholasticism number five testimonies of grace

It says as we've seen in this lesson the Middle Ages included examples of ecclesiastical corruption biblical misinterpretation theological confusion and Political turmoil in the midst of chaos or of the chaos.

We still find glimpses of the gospel of grace from Christian leaders like Anselm of Canterbury and Bernard of Clairvaux Anselm discussed above served as the

Archbishop of Canterbury from 1093 to 1109 Bernard founded a monastery in France in The year 1115 and this sort of goes without saying because I've said it before But that this does not mean we affirm everything that these men believed and taught matter of fact

I'm quite certain if we looked at all of their beliefs and teaching even the concept of a monastery, you know

We would disagree with them on many points, but the reason why they're included in this book is they were right?

About the gospel or at least certain elements of the gospel. That's why they're being included Okay, so we're not putting

Morse quarter church myself. I'm not putting any stamp of approval like st. Augustine Yeah, check we agree with everything he said no, that's not what we're saying

These 16th century reformers did not agree with everything that Anselm and Bernard taught.

There you go however, they saw them as allies with regard to salvation by grace through faith alone based solely on the finished work of Christ the selected quotes below are

Encouraging in that regard So, you know I could I could consider working with anyone as long as they're right on the gospel and there's not some outrageous other issue.

I Could probably at least consider working with them because that that is the main thing. Are they right on the gospel?

And we are out of time. I'm just gonna read one quote from Bernard.

He said for the sake of your sins He Christ will die for the sake of your justification

He will rise in order that you having been justified through faith may have peace

With God and the last statement in the centuries after Bernard we began to see the rise of the pre reformers men like Peter Waldo John Wycliffe in Yon -hos these men paved the way for the 16th century reformers like Luther and Calvin and next week.

We'll look at lesson number nine forerunners to the Reformation All right.