Debunking The Holy Ghost Movie

It's time for another edition of Fighting for the Faith, Thursday, September 11th, 2014. Heads up, we're going to be doing kind of a special episode today, which means we're only going to be talking about one thing.

It's not really a light topic,.

But there will be no sermon review today. Thank you for tuning in. You're listening.

The Program’s Purpose and the Holy Ghost Movie

To Fighting for the Faith. My name is Chris Rosebro. I am your servant in Jesus Christ, and this is the program that dishes up a daily dose of biblical discernment, the goal of which help you to think biblically, help you to think critically, and help you compare what people are saying in the name of God to the Word of God.

And well, sadly, there is no shortage of crazy things being said out there all in the name of Jesus, all in the name of God, and weird stuff being done in the name of Jesus and in the name of God that just doesn't square with Scripture.

Case in point is the new movie that is soon to be released, kind of like broad releases, the movie called Holy Ghost. This is put out by Wanderlust and is making the rounds in kind of the charismatic and Pentecostal movements and churches that are into the so-called gifts of the Spirit and things like that.

And unfortunately, having watched this thing, taken copious notes, and even taken the time to actually get some good sound from the premiere that happened over at Bethel over the weekend, I can tell you definitively what is there in the movie, Holy Ghost, isn't from the Holy Ghost.

I think as Christians, it's important for us to speak the truth and to not, not engage in trickery and scamming type of things in order to manipulate people all in the name of God. The ends never justify the means.

And as you're going to find out, the so-called miraculous things that are documented in the movie Holy Ghost, well, they're far from miraculous. In fact, two things in particular we'll take a look at during today's episode of Fighting for the Faith, as well as kind of the theological stuff.

But the so-called cold miracles, you know, the guys wandering the streets performing miracles in the Holy Ghost movie, well, we can just chalk that up to a particular technique. It's a well-known technique, easily debunked if you know what you're looking for.

It's called the technique of cold reading. Yeah, that's what that is. And we'll explain what cold reading is. We'll give you examples of people who claim to be psychics and how they do, quote-unquote, cold reading, so you understand how the technique is used.

And then we'll show you from the Holy Ghost movie that the same exact false technique used by psychics and fortune tellers and stuff like that was used by some of the guys out doing street ministry during the Holy Ghost movie.

We'll also take a look at the so-called miracle of leg, you know, of pulling one leg out, leg healing. You got one leg that's shorter than the other. We'll take a look at that technique as well as some of the bad theological statements made in the movie Holy Ghost.

So this episode of Fighting for the Faith, I have no clue how long it's going to be. I just don't know. But from time to time, we think it's important that we put an episode out that deals with a singular topic so that people don't have to kind of sift through different segments, but you have one thing that you can pass on to friends and warn them.

Yeah, in fact, that's probably a good idea. If you have somebody who thinks that the Holy Ghost movie is documenting true movements of the Spirit and things like that, you need to point them to this episode of Fighting for the Faith on the Fighting for the Faith website, and we'll be putting this up on our YouTube channel to make it easier for people to share this episode of Fighting for the Faith so that they can be warned.

Listen, I believe in God the Holy Spirit. I'm not a skeptic when it comes to God the Holy Spirit. In fact, I'm quite comfortable with the fact that God can do whatever God wants to do. But if we're going to speak about God the Holy Spirit, God the Holy Spirit has commanded in His Word that we speak accurately about Him, that we not engage in trickery, that we not engage in clever schemes and tactics in order to bring people into the Kingdom, so to speak.

No, we as Christians have a very important message, and that's the message of reconciliation with the one true God, one for us by Jesus Christ on the cross. So when people are out there in the name of Jesus trying to defend their particular weird experiences, and they have to resort to the same techniques used by magicians and so-called psychics, and then blaming it on God the Holy Spirit, well then we've got a big problem, a huge problem.

And so I'm actually calling out the producer of this particular movie, the producer, I think his name is Darren Wilson, and basically calling him out and saying, how dare you? Yeah, that's kind of, you know, to kind of lead this off, how dare you pass off these false miracles, parlor tricks, and tricks used by people who are magicians and so-called psychics and mentalists as passing these off as true manifestations of God the Holy Spirit.

These were no manifestations of God the Holy Spirit at all. In fact, for you to say that these were from God the Holy Spirit with no conscience whatsoever as to the trickery that was going on here tells me that, well, you are either highly deceived or so hard up, so desperate for evidence to support your false manifestations of the Spirit that you will resort to the lowest of the low scams and tricks in order to deceive people.

This is not the work of God the Holy Spirit. Jesus makes it clear, those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth. And as you're about to find out from today's episode of Fighting for the Faith, the truth is far, far, far away from the movie Holy Ghost.

So what I've decided to do for today's episode as well as future episodes where we do updates on the Holy Ghost movie, we have what I call our Holy Ghost update music. So we're going to get right into it and we'll begin by playing our Holy Ghost update music.

Here we go. Yeah, that's right. Holy Ghost Busters is what we're going to be doing here. Yeah, busting Holy Ghost the movie. Yeah, so what we're going to do is we're going to start off with to kind of set up the stage so that you understand what's going on with this.

We're going to go to audio from the premiere at Bethel Church in Redding, California, and listen as Darren Wilson, the producer of the Holy Ghost movie, introduces, if you would, what's going on in this movie, and talks about that it's intentionally controversial and that this is the Holy Spirit's movie.

Yeah, I kind of get the idea. So you kind of get, you know, the feel for it. So here's soundbite number one from the premiere from Bethel over the weekend where he says that this movie is, well, controversial.

Here we go. I understand.

This movie is controversial. I understand. It's stirring up a little bit of a hornet's nest, and that is the point. So there may be things that you see here that you're like, well, I don't know. I don't want to think about that.

Okay. Sorry. What. This movie, this movie was born out of me, the desire when the Lord asked me to make a movie about the Holy Spirit.

Now, this is kind of an important thing that he just said when the Lord told him to make this movie about the Holy Spirit. So here's the deal is that because I'm critiquing this film and God's the one who told him to make it.

Well, if God's the one who really told him to make this film, then the person I'm actually guilty of sinning against isn't Darren Wilson. It's God the Holy Spirit. But if God the Holy Spirit's really the one behind this, then why would God the Holy Spirit have Darren Wilson engage in magic tricks and cold reading techniques of psychics, basically parlor tricks and stuff like that, in order to demonstrate the so-called spirit's power?

Just keep that in mind as we delve into today's program. Let's continue as we listen to him.

I said, the only way I can do this is by letting him lead me completely. And so what I tried to do with this film is position myself in a way to hear him as much as possible. And that happened either through me getting little butterflies in my stomach, to me hearing what I feel over the years I've learned is the Lord's voice speaking to me.

So butterflies in your stomach, which you think is the Lord. Notice the abject subjectivity of this. Nothing objective about it at all. I mean, basically, this movie was kind of created via spirit walking.

You know what I'm saying? We had people having dreams of things that we should do. It was just it was insanity. I agree with that last one. Insanity would.

Be a good way to put it. And I just tried to say, Lord, you lead me where you want me to go. And I'll take a crew and we'll go. And when we show up, you tell us what to do there. So we literally we get off airplanes.

You can ask Todd's here. You can ask him. We'd get off it. We get off a plane and look at each other like, now what? What do we do now, Todd? The Todd he's talking about is Todd White. We're doing here.

So this is a movie that when we when I say it was led by the Holy Spirit, I really mean it. I had there was no plan. There was no there was no master kind of like idea. It was just Holy Spirit, you lead me.

And I don't know what kind of a movie you're going to make. And the cool thing was, is we filmed so much footage. He showed up so much that I had to.

Make two movies. Lovely. There's going to be part two to this nonsense. So what you're seeing tonight.

Is part one of two. And Holy Ghost Reborn will be out next year, putting it together right now. And if you make sure that you guys, especially those of you who are watching online, stick around for the credits, because during the credits, you'll get a little sneak peek.

Of part two. Okay, so we've been threatened here with part two of this. And by the way, you notice I'm pretty harsh coming right out of the gate. Yeah, that's because I've done my homework. I know what it is that you're about to hear.

So stick with me on this. I mean, because what we're what we're gonna be doing here is just pulling back the curtain and show you the smoke and mirrors used to create false signs, false wonders to deceive people in this movie.

Now, so let's kind of finish up with what he said. He finished off this little intro by making.

This statement. This is the Holy Spirit's film. And I pray that he will do with it whatever he wants. And that he will touch every single heart that is watching this, whether you're here,.

Whether you're online, whether you believe in him or not. And I do. I do believe in God,.

The Holy Spirit, whether you think that he is the savior of the world, or you think actually Jesus is the savior of the world think that he is a joke and a fairy tale. I pray that right now, for the next two hours, he will captivate your heart.

And he will invade your life. And you will.

Realize how very much he loves you. All right, so that's kind of, you know, give you a flavor of what's going on. You know, the setup for the movie, Darren Wilson, the guy who produced it, who shot it, he was, you know, he's in the movie, several different points.

So let's kind of then fast forward into the movie itself. And the setup that's in the movie, so you can kind of get an idea of what's going on. What's the major premise behind the movie? Here we go. I want to show you.

Something you've never seen before. My imagination. Okay, so the Holy Spirit is real. And he's gonna.

Prove it. By the way, I totally believe God, the Holy Spirit is real for real. Yep, I'm a full believer in miracles. I'm a believer that that that people in the time of the New Testament actually spoke in languages they didn't know.

I believe that there were people who were healed. I believe Jesus walked on the water. I believe Jesus rose bodily from the grave. So I'm not approaching this as somebody who is a skeptic of Christianity.

I'm approaching this as somebody who is a Berean, somebody who actually tests the claims of people against Scripture to see if what they're saying is true. So let's hear a little bit more, though, about what this movie is about.

And we continue. This is a movie about risk. I want to take the greatest risk possible as a filmmaker to make a movie that is completely led by the Holy Spirit. No plan. No safety net. Just show up wherever he leads me.

Find the adventure and make God famous. Okay, so go where.

The Holy Spirit leads you find the adventure and then make God famous. That's kind of the whole goal of the movie. Which begs the question, if God the Holy Spirit was the one behind this, why the cheap parlor tricks?

Why the psychic cold reading tactics? Why the false miracles, you know, leg growing and stuff like that? We'll get to that. So let's kind of pick up into the movie where the first place they end up is Salt Lake City.

Here we go.

One of the first things I felt God tell me was to go to Salt Lake City. So I took two friends of mine, Will Hart and Jamie Galloway to the heart. Okay, so that's.

Kind of the important thing. Will Hart and Jamie Galloway are kind of the guys that you're going.

To hear doing this street ministry stuff. Part of Mormon country. We just got off the plane.

And headed towards the tabernacle. Now from there, the guys, they do this kind of street ministry thing where they find different people and then God the Holy Spirit is giving them different messages.

And there's kind of a weird technique that they engage in. And what we'll do is we'll listen to the technique that's kind of, to kind of point this out, this is kind of a technique used by hypnotists, the power of suggestion.

And then they slip into, yeah, Will Hart and Jamie Galloway, a technique known as cold reading, which are used by people, you know, well, who claim to be psychic. But well, let's, let's kind of listen in to one of these street ministry opportunities after they've gotten off the plane in Salt Lake City.

Here's.

Will Hart and Jamie Galloway. Here we go. Now Lord, show him it's not magic. It's not my power.

It's your power, Jesus. So they're praying for a guy who has some health issues. From the top of.

His head down the soles of his feet, I ask you for Holy Spirit just to come upon him in power.

Now, so apparently God, the Holy Spirit is going to come on and empower and he snaps his fingers. Now, you feel that? Yeah. What does it feel? What? What does that feel like?

I guess when you when you feel like there's some someone behind you or something's there. Yeah. Turn around. You can't see it. Yeah. Watch this. Double it. Now, again, this is like.

Hypnosis. Now double it. This is a technique used by people who are hypnotists. Double it.

More. Isn't that crazy? That is pretty cool. There's been like... Now, let me back this up.

Before we get to this part, you need to understand something, and that something is the technique being employed by Will Hart and Jamie Galloway at this point in the Holy Ghost movie is a technique known as cold reading.

Now, what we're going to do is I'm going to play for you a part of an A &E documentary where Michael Shermer, the psychologist, debunks James von Praag's claims to being a psychic and explains how the technique of cold, warm, and hot reading works.

Yeah. Listen in so that you can kind of get the technique, and then I'll give you an example of James von Praag doing a cold reading, and I'll also give you an example of John Edwards, the famous so-called psychic, using the exact same technique.

Once you understand how the technique works, you'll see that that's the exact same technique that Will Hart and Jamie Galloway are using in the Holy Ghost movie. So here's the A &E documentary and Michael Shermer explaining.

How cold, warm, and hot readings work. Can a medium like James van Praag receive and interpret messages from people who have died? Some scientists believe that the techniques used by van Praag have more to do with his background than any type of psychic ability.

In my opinion,.

James van Praag is an actor who was for a long time in search of a role to play. If you read his book, if you read the interviews with him, it's all there. He grew up in the theater. He worked for Paramount Studios.

He hung around Hollywood types in hopes of finding work. He finally found work as an actor playing the role of a medium, and he's now very successful.

Psychologists like Michael Shermer contend that van Praag's so-called psychic ability is best understood in terms of the different types of readings that anyone could perform.

Cold readings are where you literally read somebody cold. You've never seen them before, you haven't gotten information on them, and you just start throwing stuff out. Lots and lots and.

Lots of comments and questions. Yeah, again, this is the oatmeal against the wall technique. Lots and lots. I mean, lots and lots of comments and questions. So much so that you have more than one question or comment on the table, and you're waiting for the person to kind of respond, you know, to what you've put out there shotgun style.

And once they respond, they can respond with a look, a glance, some kind of a nod, even respond verbally. The idea is that you throw a whole bunch of things out, and then you see what you get a hit on, and then you drill down on that.

But the idea, though, is that this is a hit and miss approach to kind of create the illusion that the person is getting spiritual information that they couldn't have gotten otherwise. Because, of course, well, I've never met you before, the person will claim, right?

That's kind of a big part of this shtick, is that claim, we've never met before, we've never met before, there's no way I could have known this, right? And you'll see that when we get into the technique, when we listen to James von Prague and John Edwards using the technique.

So listen again. And the way that.

Works is, most of what you say are misses. But that's right, most of what these guys say, they're misses. People will remember the hits and forget the misses. And the reason you get hits at all.

Is through random chance. A warm reading makes statements about people that are true.

For virtually everyone. We almost all have pictures of our lost loved ones in the bedroom, next to the bed, on the hearth, over the fireplace, on the mantle where we keep these sorts of memories. So a warm reading would be to say something about that person that's true for everyone, and you're bound to get a hit 80, 90 percent certainty.

A hot reading is one where.

Medium actually digs into the client's past, retrieving seemingly otherworldly information.

From earthly sources. Right, and a good example of getting hot reading information would be to pull up somebody's Facebook really quick and get some information about them. Yeah, and then have that relayed to the so-called psychic.

So you got the idea. Cold reading is, you know, hit and miss. Warm reading is based upon stuff that kind of falls into, you know, the big bell curve of, you know, that's true for most everybody, statistically speaking.

And then hot reading is where you find a way to kind of get information about that person by using technology or other sources to make it look like, hey, I didn't know anything about you, but in reality you have an assistant who's pulling up their Facebook wall or something, you know, you get what I'm saying.

So that's how the technique works, and those are the different types of readings. So what we're going to listen to, to kind of show you what a cold reading sounds like, we're going to listen to the so-called psychic James Van Praag as he engages in a cold reading.

And again, notice lots of misses. This is all part of how this works. Here we go.

Back with medium James Van Praag, who has had us fascinated all morning about the world of ghosts and the unknown, and we're going to throw it open to you with our studio audience now. Take it away and see what you can see.

Okay, sweetheart, great. I'd like to start with this lady right here who's sitting right in the first row. I have a mother figure very strong coming around you.

A mother figure. Notice he didn't say your mom. He said a mother figure. That's kind of vague, kind of general. I mean, every one of us probably has more than one quote-unquote mother figure in our life, you know what I'm saying?

So notice the statement is very general.

Okay, and with the name of either Mary, Margaret, do you understand the name? Margaret Mary. Margaret Mary. Okay, Margaret Mary. And I got to tell you that I feel before she passes over, though, there's a lot of hard time to walk or hard time to get up and get things going.

Do you understand that?

Yeah, but see, notice the statement. Somebody who's before they passed over there had a hard time walking, hard time getting up. Well, most people who, you know, as they get closer and closer to death and the body starts to kind of not work anymore, yeah, they have a hard time with their mobility.

That's kind of a general thing. So notice the cold reading went to a warm reading, right? So we've got a hit, and now let's go to the warm reading. That's something that's generally true for, you know, people who are mother figures as they approach death.

And also a hard time with the medicines before she passed.

Again, warm reading, medicines before she passed. Most people, you know, who get into their elderly age, you know, and they lose their mobility. Yeah, medication becomes a thing. So that's, no, it's cold reading.

Now we're warm. Well, she was on medication.

That's what I'm asking. She didn't have any painkillers. Right, but there were medications she took because I feel this very, very much before she's coming in here. And I feel some arthritis, by the way.

There's a lot of arthritis and there's a bone problem.

Okay, again, this is a warm reading. People who are elderly and are on medication, oftentimes, you know, you get up in age and, well, arthritis becomes an issue and so much so that, statistically speaking, he has a good chance of getting a hit on this.

There's also something with the back. So I don't know if she's used to sitting have a pillow at the back of her or is that you?

See, now notice the no. No, there's a no.

No, that doesn't make sense to you. Okay, and we're not troubled.

So, you know, he's fishing here. So he went from cold reading to warm reading, and now he's, you know, kind of struck out here. So now he's going cold again, just throwing stuff out to try to make it sound like he's getting, you know, information from the psychic world.

Legs. No.

Okay. Okay. Who has trouble with the legs now? Well, my father's had two hip replacements. Two hip replacements. He cannot walk as well as he used to.

Oh, no, he walks very well. Okay. Swing and a miss again. Notice how many times he misses. Quick, get on with that, throw something else out on the table and then, you know, and find the thing that is going to be the hit.

Okay. Right. Was your mother buried? Yes. Because she's talking about being buried and about an awake or a funeral rather.

Yeah. Most people who, you know, where their family has taken the time to actually bury them, generally have a church service to go along with it, you know, a funeral or awake. So again, cold reading to hot, not hot, but warm reading.

And something, this is interesting. You can't see the lady, but I can see her on screen here. She's got a pretty decent size cross necklace, a pendant hanging around her neck, which could help yield some information about her.

And she knows about it. She was very surprised by it all. And who's Kathy or Kathy? Is that Katherine or Kathy?

Kathy? Katherine or Kathy? And notice she's, you can't see it, but she's shaking her head. No. So no hit on the Kathy thing. Statistically, though, he had a good chance of a Kathy. Oh, she's talking about that.

You know about this name?

Well, Kate. Kate. Katie. Who's that? I have a cousin now that's just, um, right now come with me today, but, um, she just had to have surgery. Let's talk about her. She's praying with her. Okay. I also know who's Catholic, but there's someone who's Catholic background.

Okay. So yeah, well, we've got a cross on, let's see who's Catholic.

Okay. So there was a mass set for, and she wants to thank you for a mass that was said. And there are prayer cards that are said.

Okay. So now who, you know, so he's, he's really kind of groping in the dark here. Who's Catholic. Oh, I'm hoping that cross means somebody's Catholic here. Oh, good. You're Catholic. And so now we can go to a warm reading.

What's generally true about Roman Catholics?

The picture of mother Mary somewhere around, but your mother, Mary, would you know about this? We know about this.

Have mother Mary ran somewhere. Good. Okay. Well, I know. Yeah. She gets, he gets called out here. Well, yeah. Most Roman Catholics have pictures of the Virgin Mary. But of course that was years ago.

But Nola's mother's name is Mary and Nola's mother died when Nola was only six.

Oh, okay. That was in 1950. Do you go backwards?

I do go backwards. I go backwards, frontwards, sidewards also. So I want to talk about something else with you though. Music, music, music. I don't know why about music. Did you not do music? Were you going to do music when you were younger and you stopped doing music?

Okay. You never wanted to play the piano. So he's getting the message of music and well, the answer is no on that too. So he's swinging and missing all over the place. This is how cold reading works. Okay.

So you got cold, cold, you find something that you got a hit on and then you go to warm because then you have some data that you can kind of fill in. Statistically, you have a high probability of working.

Now, let me give you another example from another so-called psychic and his name is John Edward. And this is going to be another kind of combination of cold and warm reading, you know, interspersed. And notice the fast talking.

Notice he misses, he hits, he misses, he hits, he misses. And so the technique is very important. Here we go. Anybody not want me to come to them?

Oh, okay. No problem. Just very, very quickly. Anytime I do this, I always tell people have an open mind. I might be able to connect with somebody for you or not. If I do come to you, just say yes or no.

While we were doing this, I was being pulled. I'll get a pull to a certain section of the audience. And I can't see you guys clearly because you really were all dark and blue. But I was getting a younger male who passed.

So I don't know if there was a son or like a grandson or a younger brother who passed, but I was being pulled over here.

And that's actually. Notice he's being pulled kind of in a vague direction towards a particular section of the audience who here has had, you know, a younger male in your family who died. Over there. If that makes sense, can you please stand?

Is that a son or younger brother to you? Younger male to you? Okay. Can you please stand so I can see you? I'm sorry. Do you want to?

Okay. Were you and we never met, correct? No, we never met. Correct. Notice the technique. That's an important part of kind of reinforcing the illusion. We never met. I'm just, we're going to get all this information from the spirit world, but he's not getting any information from the spirit world.

He's getting this information by doing a very rapid fire version of 20 questions. Okay. I just want to be clear with this. This person passed in an event. Okay. This person passed in an event. Young people generally pass in an event.

Yeah, that's again.

Notice how vague that is. Getting the feeling that the younger person is getting my attention. The younger person is getting my attention is letting me know that he passes in an event. And that is something that was unexpected.

And I feel like most young people who die in an event, that event is an unexpected event. So again, so he went from cold to warm.

I get information in level. So above would be older to your side would be around the same age. And below you would be younger. I feel like they talk about somebody who's below, but they tell me to talk about the month of June.

So I don't know if there's a birthday anniversary. So here we go. Cold reading again. Something about the month of June. Is this a hit or a miss? In the month of June. But there's something about June.

They keep showing me June. Why is June significant to you or to him? I think so. That's a miss. They show me a big six. So if I see the six lets me know that the six month June or the sixth of a month has a meaning.

But connected to you, there's a big six. So it might not be to him.

But what does June mean for you? Who else did you? There's no relevance in June.

But swing and a miss again. I was 16.

I don't know. No, no, no. There's a six connection. The month of June or the sixth has a meaning either. Didn't somebody pass in a car accident? It was a car accident. This is how the friend passed? Yes.

OK, there's a connection to your family or to you either in the sixth month or on the sixth of a month because they're putting a big say.

Notice how he's groping in the dark. I mean, literally, if he's if he's getting information from the psychic world, you know, from beyond the veil, you know, why all these vague questions in this hit and miss approach?

Why don't you just say it, dude? OK, so you got the technique. This is how this works. Now coming back to the Holy Ghost movie in the Holy Ghost movie, Will Hart and Jamie Galloway. Well, they engage in this same technique.

And if you are if you know what this technique is, you can easily spot it. And this is not from God, the Holy Spirit. This is the same cold reading technique used by so-called psychics. So let's go back to the Holy Ghost movie.

We're on the streets. They're doing street ministry and God, the Holy Spirit, is supposedly manifesting in power and giving somebody goose pimples. And now Jamie Galloway is going to lay it on thick. And well, all this is is a cold reading.

Here we go.

There's been like generational fears that you've had to walk through. Like there's a there's like I see it. I see a courage on your life.

Oh, there's there's like generational fears. And I see like a courage on your life.

That's vague, don't you think? But that you've had to really press past like fears, fears that have like tried to hold you back or suppress you. And I don't mean to get personal. But I just I see like like generational fears like really have held down your family and almost like cause a fibromyalgia to come on someone or is that right?

Yep. And so somebody has like a neck problem.

So this is cause like a fibromyalgia and a neck problem. Yeah. Is that your mother? My mother and I. Your mother and you? Okay. Notice what he's doing here. This is a cold reading. He's fishing for information doing the hit miss thing.

See, and it's even caused breathing problems, like breathing problems in the night, like waking up hard time breathing when you're waking up. Yeah.

I'm sorry, but fibromyalgia is not exactly a lung thing. I thought it was a muscle skeletal issue. Is that true? Yes. Okay. And I don't know you. There's the technique. I don't know you. So, oh, I can't be getting this from anywhere else.

No, well, he's not getting this from the spirit. This is the technique of a cold reading. Just met.

Okay. And I'm not getting fed any lines from anybody else. But I do hear Holy Spirit and he is speaking to me.