F4F | Living Proof Beth Moore is an Autonomian

The Three Uses of God’s Law and the Meaning of Antinomianism

Welcome to another installment of fighting for the faith. My name is Chris Roseboro. I am your servant in Jesus Christ. This is the program that compares what people are saying in the name of God to the Word of God now.

What we're gonna do today. We're gonna kind of change it up. So let me get this out and you know in the early part of the video go ahead and like the video Subscribe down below ring the bell so you can be notified when we update our Channel what we're gonna do today.

I'm gonna Open this up. We are going to do a little bit of front-loaded teaching front-loaded teaching and. Then we'll take a look at something that Beth Moore did Literally just a couple weeks ago.

Yeah, so and and note how this is gonna work out, but I want to talk to you today about Autonomians and you're going what is an Autonomian. Yeah now if you're familiar with some of the Evangelical fighting that has taken place over the past few years.

You'll note that there are a group of people who have been labeled Antinomians these are people Who sit there and go we Christians were. No there's no law that applies to us and so what they end up doing is turning the gospel into a license to sin and What ends up happening as a result of antinomian ism is that Preachers who buy into this concept that you know, the law has nothing to say to Christians today.

What they end up doing is Never getting to any of the exhortation texts, especially in the epistles. It's the weirdest thing ever and so you you you hear a lot of gospel. But Christians I hear like zero law it's it's it's the weirdest thing now.

We we note then that there are three proper uses of God's law. There are three first use is used by the government then that use is the civil use and so the government enforces the law to punish evildoers and.

And so that's the first use of the law. What it does is it has a curbing effect on evil. It's chilling effect if you would because over and again, we know that people who are criminals ultimately are cowards and What they're trying to do is figure out how to get away with What they're doing without being caught because they don't want to be punished.

So first use of the law is used by your your local governments when they go and arrest people for doing bad things like stealing or or Murdering and you know things like that you kind of get the idea.

Second use of the law Is the theological use this is the use that is talked about by the Apostle Paul in Romans chapter 3 where the law Convicts us of our sins in order to silence us before God we end up standing guilty before him.

That's the second use so shows us that we're sinners which ultimately shows us our need to Be saved which is what Christ's job is and then the third use of the law is only for Christians. It shows us what a good work is and we do them not for our salvation.

We're not saved by our good works. We are saved for Christ's sake instead We do our good works for God's sake because he's said so so, you know now the you know The the law has an instructive thing to showing us what a good work is.

I want to see what this looks like in action. I would point you to you know, like the book of Ephesians where Paul front loads I mean the the epistle to the Ephesians with gospel gospel gospel I mean and just beautifully teaches that that we were once dead in Trespasses and sin God has made us alive in Christ and by we are saved by grace through faith.

It is not our own doings. It is this is a gift of God so that no one may boast and that we are God's workmanship Created in Christ Jesus for Good works that that's the idea. So, you know the third use of the law shows us what a good work is and we Christians because we still have a sinful nature.

Yeah, we need exhortation along those lines in order to Continue the daily task of drowning and mortifying our sinful flesh. All of that being said that has nothing to do You at all with what we're talking about here, I'm gonna introduce you to a third Category that has not nothing to do with the right first you second use the third use of the law.

This has to do with just rank lawlessness Autonomians and so it to do this, right? I'm gonna have to walk through this a little bit Judges chapter 17 verse 6 famous verse kind of frame our understanding of autonomians.

Everyone did what was right in his own eyes. This is not a good thing. This this is like a verse that leads into God's judgment and God will have to rescue people after he sells them into slavery because they were doing what was right in their own eyes, they were Autonomians and he's sitting on Roseboro.

I've heard you use that phrase a few times now still don't even know what it means. All right. Let me explain it when we talk about Autonomy you sitting there going. Oh, come on Autonomy is like when a kid grows up and now they can move into their own apartment and they're autonomous.

That's not the way I'm using it here. Autonomy when you break it up into its component parts in this sense out toss the Greek word means self namas law somebody who is truly Autonomous in the way I'm describing here is Self-governed.

They are a law unto Themselves they are subject to no one. No authority. They are under no one's authority. Even Christ's and that's what we're gonna talk about, you know today. So here's my question kind of lead-in question.

Well food for thought kind of question ready. Is any Christian or any Christian congregation? Autonomous now, it's a little bit of a trick question because the answer should be there should be no Christian or any Christian congregation who's truly Autonomous and there's a reason for that.

And here's the reason why Matthew 28 18 Jesus said all Authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. So in Christ's Church all Christian congregations and Everyone who proclaims and claims to be a follower of Jesus a disciple of Jesus.

They cannot by definition be autonomous. They cannot be self-governed. They must be Christ governed. Period because Christ is the authority. So the question then is is how does Christ govern us? Well, here's what Jesus says in the Gospel of John chapter 8 verses 30 through 32 Jews Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him if you abide in my word You are truly my disciples and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.

So you'll note that disciples of Jesus because all authority has been given to him. They abide in his word. They keep his word. They guard his word and they strive to obey his word. Now we recognize as Christians that we sin daily and sin much.

But the idea then is is that if we say we have no sin The Apostle John says we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. But if we confess our sins God who is faithful and just will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness so a Christian then Recognizes that on a daily basis they need God's forgiveness.

And so you you walk through the commands of God and you say Oh, oh Lord Jesus Christ I've messed up here. I've sinned here. I've transgressed your law have mercy on me. Forgive me Lord I have sinned against you and we have assurance then that you know that when we confess our sins God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins cleanse us from all unrighteousness so abiding in his word Requires you to recognize his commands and the commands then of Christ.

You'll note fall into a few different directions, but we'll note here and in the same chapter John chapter 8 Jesus says Whoever is of God Hears hears hears not just hears but like has ears to hear. Here's the words of God and the reason why these people who were arguing with Jesus and John 8 do not hear them is Because they're not of God so Christians under no circumstance are ever autonomous.

They must always recognize that they are a creature and that God is their creator and that Christ is God in human flesh and the words of God found in Scripture are the ones that we are to keep to guard to hold to obey to listen to and not cast aside the one who says oh, I'm a Christian and Doesn't heed or obey God's Word.

Jesus says the reason why you don't hear them is because you're not of God. Those who are of God hear God's Word hear Christ's words. They abide in them strive to obey them keep them. You kind of get the idea.

Scripture as the Authority of Christ

So moving on then to the next point. The words of God, where are these found? Well, do you remember what Jesus said in John 8, you know that the his disciples hear God's Word and This is where we're to find it.

Paul writing in 2nd Timothy chapter 3 says this all Scripture is Theano stas is breathed out by God now. No, Jesus is God in human flesh that being the case since all Scripture is breathed out by God.

These are the commands of Christ. The Word of God is synonymous with the words of Christ. Period because Jesus is God so all Scripture is breathed out by God is profitable for teaching for reproof for correction for training and righteousness so that the man of God may be complete and equipped for every good work.

So if you're a Christian Your authority is not yourself. Your authority is not your opinion. Your authority is not your reason. Your authority is Christ and he governs you and I through his written Word that's important.

So we don't have the ability to just turn it aside all of that being said we're we're gonna note here a few things that people play games today and. And they do so in very horrible and devastating ways, let me give you an example, let me give you example.

All right. So over and again, you may hear people who call themselves Christian engaging in arguments like this. Well such and such a thing you say is wrong and you say is a sin. Oh you conservative back backwards backwoods.

Conservative Christian you need to get your head out of the first century and get it into the 21st century. Yeah, because you know, you're using a bunch of clobber passages to to try to control me. But you know those clobber passages have no bearing on me.

Let me give you an example. Let's say you and I have a friend and we'll just call the friend Joe, you know, I don't know why just we'll call him Joe all right, so you and I we know Joe and and wouldn't you know it Joe has left his wife and Joe has moved in with his shack up, honey, and he's committing adultery and and Joe Sings on the praise band at at the local megachurch.

And so we sit Joe down and we say Joe God's Word is clear. Adultery is a sin. So we pull out Exodus chapter 20 verse 14 You shall not commit adultery and we say to Joe Joe Look at the commandment says you shall not commit adultery and we follow up.

We don't dogpile with some follow-up passages like, you know, Leviticus 18 20 You shall not lie sexually with your neighbor's wife and so make yourself unclean with her or Deuteronomy 2022 if a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die.

Capital offense in the ancient theocracy of Israel the man who lays with a woman and the woman and the woman. So you shall purge the evil from Israel and then consider what it says in Proverbs 6 32 He who commits adultery lacks sense and he who does it destroys himself.

Aha, and then of course don't forget first Corinthians chapter 6 verses 9 through 10. Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God do not be deceived neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who practice homosexuality or thieves or the greedy nor drunkards or Revilers or swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

See it says right there adulterers will not inherit the kingdom of God. And then of course Hebrews 13 4 says let the marriage bed be held in honor among all and let the marriage bed be undefiled for God will judge the sexually immoral and the Adulterous and so you lay all this out for Joe and you and I are together with Joe.

We lay this all it's a Joe you're sinning. You need to repent God. God is telling you through his word that this is a sin and Christ has bled and died for this but you need to repent and be forgiven and bear fruit in keeping with repentance.

And Joe's response is Those are nothing but adultery clobber passages. Mm-hmm. You see, you know, we live in the 21st century, you know, and so because of that I mean, you know I I know Joe says that down in my heart that God's telling me that that My wife is not right for me and that this this woman I'm living with now.

She's my soulmate and and God approves of what we're doing. And you pulling out these clobber passages is is just sowing how hateful and and how bigoted and narrow-minded and you you are you're just you're you're yeah.

Yeah, well, the problem here is that Joe is An Otto gnomion. He is a law unto himself and those who are a law unto themselves They are Lawless, I mean if you are a law unto yourself You are truly law less and Jesus gives us some pretty firm and stern warnings regarding the lawless Scripture does and also in the you know in the broader sense in first John chapter 3 verse 4 It says everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness.

Sin is lawlessness or Jesus in The Sermon on the Mount says not everyone who says to me Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven. But the one who does the will of my father who is in heaven on that day many will say to me Lord Lord.

Did we not prophesy in your name and cast out demons in your name and do many mighty works in your name? And then he will declare to them. I never knew you depart from me you workers of lawless. Isn't it weird?

Workers of lawlessness. In the visible church, that's a strange thing. Yet, that's exactly what Jesus says and then you think of Jesus's rebuke of the Pharisees in Matthew 23 Woe to you you scribes and you Pharisees you hypocrites.

You're like whitewashed tombs which outwardly appear beautiful. But within are full of dead people's bones and all in all and all uncleanness. So you also outwardly appear righteous you appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and Lawlessness.

Yeah, so there's our category. Let me remind you our category again big word today is Autonomian this is somebody who does what is right in their own eyes. They are a law unto Themselves, but no Christian no Christian is autonomous.

Anybody who is a disciple of Jesus? Cannot be autonomous because as Jesus said all Authority in heaven on earth has been given to him and scripture is clear God in Christ got him. Christ himself governs us With his authority through his words, so we dare not cast his words aside all of that being said.

Beth Moore, Transformation Church, and the Claim to Love Scripture

We are going to be heading over to Transformation Church. Transformation Church and at the beginning of June Transformation Church invited Beth Moore to preach the sermon to the congregation. During their normal church service times.

Yeah, that's exactly what happened. Let's let Derwin Gray explain to the people there at Transformation Church. What they're gonna be hearing.

Hey, what's happening. Transformation Church. We are about to start our summer series and we are kicking off with the one and the only Beth Moore. Now I could talk about all the books she sold. Oh, yeah, they're kicking off a new sermon series.

Beth Moore is Kicking it off all the Bible studies that have influenced us. But what I want you to know is Beth Moore is a real person and she's a friend. And so you're gonna get blessed because she's gonna teach the Bible.

She's gonna teach the gospel and we're gonna be transformed by the Spirit of God.

So she's gonna preach a sermon and you're gonna be transformed by the Word of God.

Okay, so could you welcome my good friend the one and the only.

Yeah, that's that's Beth Moore preaching a sermon on a Sunday morning at a church.

Transformation Church. You have stolen my heart today. I will tell you that it will be hard for me to go on get to the airport and head home. It will be difficult to leave you. What a fabulous church.

I wonder who else is in the room that has never been before today. Can I see your hand. Because there's just an outpouring of joy here. That is remarkable.

I love an outpouring of joy there.

This sounds like manipulation to me of the leaders of this church so much. I love Derwin and Vicki Gray. They are some of my favorite people in the body of Christ. You are so blessed to have their leadership humble Godly people and I admire now I got to say this.

Humble godly people. I have to challenge the statement because humble and godly people Would never publicly and defiantly oppose the authority of Christ so Egregiously is what we're witnessing here. I'll give you details in a minute.

So, I mean I my my opinion of because of what's happening here of Derwin and his wife is that they're not humble. They are absolutely prideful. They're not godly people. They are lawless Autonomians Who refused to submit to the authority of Jesus.

Are them?

So I got to tell you I was very very moved by the seniors. If you're just joining us by Livestream you may not know that we have gotten to be introduced to the seniors that have just graduated or just graduating and it was quite an Impressive sight to see them all lined up here young men and women.

And it made me think of something that I want to say to you. And as I bring the message today I want you to know that I will know. She even admits She's bringing the sermon the message today have you in my mind and I prayed this will be to all of you.

But there's nothing I love more than thinking that somebody may be in class. I'm a teacher by trade a Bible teacher by trade and there's nothing that that thrills me more than to think. Maybe Someone is new to it.

Maybe someone doesn't know that this is a book like no other book.

No, I'm going to agree with Beth more. The Bible is Like no other book like I just pointed out the you know opening portion of this segment of fighting for the faith That well the the Bible it's they a new stuff.

It is God breathe. It is the infallible inspired Word of God. These are the it has the authority of the the God who spoke the universe into existence behind it. It's living and active sharper than any double-edged sword and the Holy Spirit works in connection With the preaching and the teaching of the Word of God.

I mean, it's there is no book like it.

I I agree with you Beth that these are living words because the Holy Spirit himself.

Inspired them and right the Holy Spirit inspired these words. I agree.

Quickens them that they're not just dead words on a page. I agree. They're not just dead words page that we admire and that we find sacred. No, these are the living eternal words of God on the page right.

Including.

Well, you know first Timothy chapter 2. This is part of the living active words of God on the page First Timothy chapter 2 starting at verse 8 for context. I desire then that in every place the men should pray lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling likewise.

Also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel apparel with modesty self-control. Not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire but with that which is proper for women who profess godliness with good works.

And then verses 11 through 14. Let a woman learn quietly. With all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man rather. She is to remain Quiet for Adam was formed first then Eve and Adam was not deceived.

But the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. You see when the body of Christ comes together Christ to whom all authority in heaven on earth has been given Has used his authority to say that when the body of Christ comes together to hear God's Word to receive The Lord's Supper, you know to baptize and and do what the congregation do.

Do's does right that in those cases. The women are not to have any authority. They're not to teach or have authority over a man. Period this by the way forbids women from being pastors. This is what Christ has chosen to do again.

He is the one who has authority to act contrary to what he is explicitly commanded in his living active word is to defy Christ and To make yourself the authority rather than him.

Yeah, so yeah, just saying and I want to tell you something. It's sort of takes seeing that and you see it all the time in Derwin when you see someone that's really like lit up in the scriptures and that's what happened to me.

I was already what you would call a motivational speaker at that time. A Christian motivational speaker. I'd started that in my early 20s. But when I was 27 years old my church asked me if I would Sub for one year a women's Sunday school class from they were aged.

Yeah women's.

Sunday school class. They didn't make you a pastor. You weren't allowed to preach sermons.

It's about 28 to 31 so the youngest one was older than I was but what I sub while a woman was going to be out on maternity leave from Teaching the class and it was just it was just a treacherous year because you know I just thought up things to talk about and then I got panicked on Saturday.

Because I think where is me a scripture to go with it. Anybody know what I'm talking about here. I'm not gonna say that. We didn't have fun. We had a blast my class was packed. But it's just that you know what we really weren't studying the scriptures.

And so I was just terrible and I thought if I just could get through this I'm just gonna be a speaker. This is not what I want to do. I just want to be a speaker.

So by her own admission she begins as a motivational speaker. She was given a women's Bible study. Class. She didn't know what she was doing. In other words she was given the Authority strangely enough to teach a women's Bible study, and she was not qualified to do so.

Hmm. I want to get me a few messages. And I want to give them a lot of times and that's how I want to do this thing. And so my church Offered a Bible doctrine class and I was toward the end. I just said Lord get me through this year, and I guess I was about at the nine-month point.

They let you flounder for nine months really.

Year just a couple of more months to go. But it was like it was looking at my church and what we called a bulletin I'm in those days and had all the information of things that were being Offered at the church and so Sunday evening during the discipleship our Bible doctrine class.

And I mean it was like I heard a voice from heaven going go. For crying out loud go before you kill all of us, and they're eternal and so it's just like I went. And I remember thinking I got I got my my Bible that had this very beautiful beautiful beautiful still gold edges and My I got me a new notebook.

I got me colored pens. Everything and I went to class. I dressed cute because I thought you know if you're not having a good time you at least could Look cute you might know what I'm talking about that makes you feel better about where you are.

And and so I just I made sure that I dressed really cute and and I was there and I'm ready to go and it Was a small class because you know it was just the people the martyrs were there the martyrs were there.

And so I I was in class sitting sitting waiting and a man walks up the size of your pastor. Former football player. I mean he is just like as thick as he is wide solid muscle. And he walks to that podium and he throws open the biggest mess of a Bible I've ever seen in my life how the pages were still hanging in it I will never know and he opened his mouth, and he began to teach and I was a mesmerized.

Mesmerized. I had never seen anything like that in my entire life. I had known people. I was raised in the church. I'd known lots of lots and lots of servants of Christ. I have known true servants of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Humble servants drawing no attention to themselves laboring. Yeah, humble servants drawing no attention to themselves.

In the sermon so far who is Beth Moore preaching about?

Herself hard for the work of the gospel. I've known missionaries all of my life. But I had never seen anyone love the scriptures more than they would love their next meal. I'd never seen that. I'd never seen somebody that you knew would rather do it than anything else on earth that he'd rather study and I couldn't.

I couldn't take a single note. I don't know that I that I flipped to a single scripture. I was completely Flabbergasted and at the end of that class I I ran to my car I did not stay after and talk nothing.

I Ran to my car and I got in the car slammed the door shut and I said to the Lord I don't know what that was, but I want it. I want it. And it was like he struck a match against a stone and set it in my heart.

And I'm telling you he lit a fire in me. I could not even look up from to this day as of this morning. That same fire just rages in my heart to study the scriptures. I love it so much. No, you don't.

I'm sorry, but this is just a sham. The reason I say you don't is because if you love the scriptures you would love the one who wrote the scriptures and Inspired them and you would keep and hear and obey and abide by what God has said to us in the scriptures as those under Christ's authority you are behaving by preaching this sermon as an Autonomian you have become a law unto yourselves yet.

Scripture says first Corinthians 14 as In all the churches of the Saints, by the way, this is only in the church. Women are allowed to teach women are allowed to teach other people. You think about the fact that Apollos when he comes into town, he's defending the faith and literally refuting the Jews regarding Jesus and His baptismal theology was all wet pun intended.

He was corrected by both Aquila and Priscilla, that's right both of them. Priscilla is never rebuked for you know, daring to correct Apollos's teaching. But you'll note this Priscilla never once preached a sermon.

No way as In all the churches of the Saints the women should keep silent in the churches. They're not permitted to speak. But should be in submission as the law Also says and the reference here as the law also says this you could translate namas here as Torah.

Because there's no commandment in the Old Testament says that women can't teach or preach. Instead we see in the cross reference where it says Adam. You remember 1st Timothy 2 verse 13 Adam was formed first then Eve.

Adam was not deceived. But the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. That's the what the what he's referring to as the law also says the Torah. So so Paul's appeal then is That order of creation and the order of the fall that it was the woman who was deceived became a transgressor so if there's anything a woman desires to learn let her ask her husband at home and Shameful for a woman to speak in church now at this point everyone sits there goes.

Well Paul's just a misogynist. He hates women. This is just a cultural ban. No, it's not keep reading or was it from you that the Word of God came or that you are you the only ones? That is reached if anyone thinks he's a prophet or a spiritual.

He should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord. Yep Paul's not a misogynist here this this forbidding women to preach and to exercise authority Over men when the church comes together.

That's a command of Christ and remember Jesus said all Authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. This is his command. So if anyone does not recognize this he is not recognized. That being the case we are bound to not recognize Beth Moore anymore.

Yes, no more more. Come up with a slogan here no more more. Why. Because she is not recognizing that this is a command of Christ. She is outright obey disobeyed just flat-out given the middle finger to Jesus.

And she's acting in lawlessness as a as an auto gnomion she's a law unto herself and she needs to repent and to recognize that what she did was sinful and Contrary to the Word of God the very Word of God that she claims that she loves so much even up until that morning.

No, she doesn't you don't get to say that you love God's Word and you love Christ while refusing To obey his word and to acknowledge that he has put limits, you know based upon gender Within his church as to who is to be preaching and teaching when the whole church comes together and That's not me being a misogynist.

That's me pointing out what Christ in his authority has written for us to obey in his Word. Now if you found this helpful all the information on how you can share the video is down below and Fighting for the faith is a we are supported by our viewers and our listeners.

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