May 25, 2017 Show with Tas Walker on “The Genesis Flood: Its Lasting Global Impact which Proves the Earth is Young”: Part Two of a Two-day Discussion of the Age of the Earth (Young Earth)

Opening Program Introduction and the Day Two Debate on the Age of the Earth

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And before I do anything, I have to wish my co-host, Reverend Buzz Taylor, a happy 33rd anniversary for his ordination in the ministry. And it was 33 years ago today that he was ordained as a Christian minister, and Christendom has been.

Suffering from the consequences ever since. Well, so was my ordination council, so there's.

Nothing new about that. But I do wish you a happy 33rd anniversary. I appreciate that. And also, if anybody listening cares to contact Reverend Buzz Taylor on Facebook or some other way to wish him a happy 33rd anniversary on his ordination, I'm sure that he would appreciate that very much.

Well, today is the final day, day number two of a two-day discussion that we began yesterday on the age of the earth. And today, representing the old earth, I'm sorry, the rustling noise kind of distracted me.

Yesterday, the scientist representing the old earth position was Dr. Greg Davidson. And Dr. Greg Davidson is with Solid Rock Lectures, and he gave an hour defense of the old earth position on the age of the earth.

And today, we are having the young earth position defended by Dr. Taz Walker of Creation Ministries International, CMI. And Dr. Taz Walker is a developer of a biological, of a geological model to connect geological structures in the field with biblical history applied to the Great Artesian Basin in Australia, the basement rocks in Brisbane, and, or Brisbane, I think they pronounce it over there, and the Banks Peninsula of New Zealand and other areas of the world.

He's an author, researcher, speaker, and writer of many articles, including in Creation Magazine and the Journal of Creation. And he is going to be discussing the Genesis Flood, its lasting global impact, which proves the earth is young.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you, for the very first time, to Iron Sharpens Iron, Dr. Taz Walker.

Hi there, and thank you for inviting me. And all the best from Brisbane in Australia, Brisbane in Australia. Okay, so it is Brisbane.

Brisbane is the way we say it. Yeah, that's what I thought. Sorry about the mispronouncing of that name, and also all the other fumbling and bumbling that I did at the beginning of the program. And in studio with me today are two co-hosts, and one of them is breathing very loudly into the microphone.

Sorry, I'll move it back. Two of my co-hosts, we have the Reverend Buzz Taylor, who I just announced in the beginning, who's celebrating his 33rd anniversary of his ordination. And we have Charlie Liebert, founder of sixdaycreation .com, and that's spelled with an S-I-X and not a number.

But it's great to have you back in the studio, Charlie.

Thank you, Chris. Great to be here.

And if anybody else would like to join us on the air with a question for Dr. Taz Walker, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com. And I'm going to ask you, Dr. Walker, the same thing I asked Dr. Greg Davidson yesterday, in the outset of our discussion, in regard to the religion of your youth, if any, and what providential experiences did our Sovereign Lord bring about in your.

Life that drew you to himself and saved you? My mom and dad used to send me along to Sunday school in my youth, and I wanted to do my own thing. One person who had came...

Oh, show's over. Show's over. I'm only kidding. Continue. I'm sorry, brother. I was just kidding.

Yes, and Jesus made a huge... Amen. And how would you best.

Succinctly describe your theology today as a Christian?

I find that a very difficult question, actually, but well, I believe...

And you are a developer of a biblical geological model to connect geological structures in the field with biblical history applied to the Great Artesian Basin in Australia, as I mentioned, the basement rocks in Brisbane and the Banks Peninsula of New Zealand.

Tell us why that kind of a background of yours would make you an adequate defender of a young earth and a spokesperson on behalf of geological study and discovery in general.

As an engineer, and I have a PhD in engineering, mechanical engineering, and I work with you, and we're involved, of course, hydroelectric Asian magazines. One day I went through in 1994.

Now, how would you respond to an old earth creationist or even a secular scientist who would obviously agree at least on the age of the earth, if not even make it a greater number than those who are old earth creationists, because they're not creationists at all, but the secular scientist that is.

But how would you respond to any of the critics that you might have, either from the Christian realm or secular realm, who would say that your studies in geology and your experience and your education in geology would not make you an adequate spokesperson for something of the task that we are discussing, including the age of the earth?

How would you.

Respond to that? Well, I've done these studies at the university, as a matter of fact, and I showed it to one of my colleagues and he noticed it. Amen. Well, what is flood geology, if you could explain that.

Now, you listened to yesterday's broadcast that we had with Dr. Greg Davidson.

Could you give an overview of your response to that interview?

Okay, some of the material and the others that now reason you would think an amazing.

Yeah, and I definitely intend to discuss that a lot with you today, God willing. Now, just out of curiosity, how would you respond to an old earth creationist or even a geologist, a secular geologist, who would say that the plain reading of the data that we discover through geological studies is so plain that the only reason that you would come to a different conclusion than the old earth is because of your biblical presuppositions, kind of what you said about the secular or old earth geologist in reverse, where the presupposition of the scripture is guiding the geologist, the young earth geologist, in such a way where he is disregarding data or twisting data in order to fit his biblical paradigm.

How would you respond to somebody making that accusation?

Say, first of all, you come and you look at rock. It doesn't matter. He had such a shoehorn.

Before Reverend Buzz Taylor gives his question or comment, I just wanted to say something in regard to something that you just mentioned, which I found profound. It seems to me that, ironically, aren't those that are young earth creationist scientists, those who are opposed to evolution, or at least to Darwinian evolution, aren't they the ones that are typically using observable science, things that we can even approve through experimentation and so on, whereas the old earth folk and especially the secular scientists and the Darwinian evolutionists in particular, when it comes to evolution, they're doing a lot of guessing and they're doing a lot of story inventing from the past that they have no observable proof that occurs today, and specifically involving the evolution of man from lower life forms and so on.

I mean, aren't they the ones denying.

Observable science? Well, they make them change their view.

Scripture, Presuppositions, and the Christian Reading of Evidence

Okay, Reverend Buzz Taylor had... Yes, you did mention already that we're all presented with the same facts, the same evidence. The question is, how are we going to view the evidence? And I think that it should at least...

We should be aware that, for example, Peter told us to sanctify the Lord Jesus Christ in our hearts, and always be ready to give an answer for the reason of the hope that lies within us. We have to start from the point that God cannot lie, and we want to look...

There's this idea that you can just kind of... Everybody go neutral now. Now, let's all look at the facts and let them tell us what actually happened. But nobody approaches it neutral. They don't. We don't.

It has... You're talking about presuppositionalism. Yes, exactly. That's what I'm talking about, but I'm talking as it relates to creation here. Because yes, as Taz just said, some look at the facts and say, well, this is what I see.

Others look at the facts. This is what I see. But we are commanded to sanctify the Lord Jesus in our hearts first, and then look at the evidence. And I believe that to try to let any other science dictate our theology is not sanctifying the Lord.

Jesus Christ in our hearts. And do you have any response, Taz? Yes, I agree with that, to start with something. And so when you start to come out... And Charlie Liebert has a question or a comment,.

But I'm going to let him get to that after we return from the break, because I don't want to cut you off in mid-sentence. And even before I get to Charlie's question, I'm just going to email you a listener question and have you respond to it after the break, and then Charlie can follow up after that.

I have Ted in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, who says, following up on Chris's earlier question, I want to ask if there are any non-believing scientists who have bought into your model. If so, what can you tell us about those points of agreement?

If not, how do you deal with the logical implication that only Christian believers can really understand geology and study it properly? The same would also have to be true for oceanography and seismology and dendrology and plate tectonics, astronomy, paleontology, and genetics.

Can you see how both old Earth creationists and non-believers could be skeptical about the level of conspiracy over hundreds of years that would be necessary according to the young Earth creationist account?

And I'm going to be emailing this, because obviously a very long question slash comment that Ted from Tuscaloosa gave us. I'm going to be emailing this to you, so over the break, you can mull it over, okay, Dr. Walker?

All righty, and we're going to a break right now. If anybody would like to join us on the air, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com. And of course, Charlie Lieber, don't forget what you are going to bring up.

We'll get to you, and we'll get to you when we return. Again, as I said, the email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. Please give us your first name, your city and state of residence, your country of residence if you live outside of the USA, and don't go away.

We are going to be right back with Dr. Taz Walker as he continues to present.

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We are now back with our guest, Dr. Taz Walker of Creation Ministries International, CMI, in our defense of a young Earth. This is the second and last day of a two-day discussion on the age of the Earth.

And when I say last day, that doesn't mean I'll never have a discussion on it again. That just means the last of the two days that we had scheduled with a young Earth defender, which is being followed by yesterday's defense of an old Earth by an old Earth creationist, Dr. Greg Davidson.

If you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com. Chrisarnzen at gmail .com. And before I have you answer our listener's question, and before I actually reread it, which I am going to do for the sake of our listeners, since you now have it in front of you, can you tell our listeners something about, this is something I should have asked you at the beginning of the program, can you tell our listeners something about Creation Ministries International, CMI?

Creation Ministries International, it's an organization, there's a number of sister organizations in countries around the world. In the U .S. there's one at the plant.

Great, and we'll be repeating that contact information later. And I'm going to read you a question now, and another guest that I had on my program recently, Pastor Jeremy Walker, is probably wondering why on Earth I emailed him this question, because I did by accident before I emailed it to you, because of the last name being the same.

But as our listener in Tuscaloosa, Alabama wrote in, Ted, he says, following up on Chris's earlier question, I wanted to ask if there are any non-believing scientists who have bought into your model.

If so, what can you tell us about those points of agreement? If not, how do you deal with the logical implication that only Christian believers can really understand geology and study it properly? The same would also have to be true with oceanography, seismology, dendrology, plate tectonics, astronomy, paleontology, and genetics.

Can you see how both old Earth creationists and non-believers could be skeptical about the level of conspiracy over hundreds of years that would be necessary according to the young Earth creationist account?

Yeah, well, that's an interesting question, and I can understand why people would think that, and I'll just make a couple of points. Basically, the first is my model. It's really, we're talking about Bible history, the God created in various to be able to those assumptions.

The major issue is if you follow these principles, they don't believe this. No, you can go on as long as you'd like. You can go on as long as you like. Okay. When this philosophy came in, you know, pioneered by the catastrophe until really the 19th century, and so there's uniformitarianism.

One of them is the same way. Yeah, I've seen that. Excellent. Documented in a book. Yeah,.

In fact, I plan on having Jerry back on the program to discuss that book. Very powerful.

So they're quite plainly wrong, and they acknowledge that there's a problem. They can't understand what's behind it because... By the way, would the book you were talking about.

By Jerry Bergman, is that Slaughter of the Dissidents? That's it. Slaughter of the Dissidents. Yeah, I'm hoping to get him back on the show to talk about that. And by the way, I happen to know I have proof actually that the dinosaurs are not that ancient because I have a black and white, an old black and white photo of the Reverend Buzz Taylor riding one at a birthday party.

So there you go.

But anyway, a Sinclair sign behind me, wasn't there?

But Charlie Liebert of sixdaycreation .com had either a question or a comment.

Two things, Chris, I wanted to mention. The first thing is that last question that Taz Walker implied that Old Earth was around geologically for a long time. That's not true. Old Earth is relatively new in the terms of the science itself.

I should have said Young Earth's been around a long time. That's exactly right. Now, the other comment I wanted to make was on the presuppositions. And this is real important, okay? Because the set of presuppositions you start with dictates how you interpret the scientific evidence.

And our Old Earth people appear to take equal value with the presuppositions of biblical truth and the presuppositions of scientific truth. And I would say as Young Earth creationists, we take the Bible as the truth and then interpret.

Science in light of it. That's two very different approaches. Two very different stuff, and then we use that. If you look at that, for example, an atheist could never accept any form of creation.

Because it applies to God. So the presuppositions, in a sense, dictate how you interpret the evidence itself. We could both go stand on the rim of Grand Canyon, and I'd say, wow, look at that, what Noah's Flood did.

And the Old Earth guy would say, look at that, millions of years. But the canyon doesn't tell you. It's the interpretation.

That's exactly right. Yes, there are no labels. Well, there are now. People have put labels on it. But when it was originally there, there were no labels saying it. And exactly right, the presupposed conclusions and the idea of an Old Earth comes from naturalistic presupposition.

That is, if things are going to make themselves, back in the 1800s, and another guy by the name of Lord Kelvin, they're talking about the age, and Darwin said, the Old Earth is a young Earth, well. And Reverend Buzz Taylor has a question or comment.

Well, you had just mentioned about the, it was recently that the various rock strata were were given titles and names and dates. It was brought up on the program yesterday about the geological timetable.

And I, I'm going to butcher this, I'm sure. But years ago, I read a short paper put out by the Institute for Creation Research about that calendar, the rock strata, the geological timetable, that it was only in a few places in the world where you could actually find it in the order that they claim, and that it's been reversed and missing and, you know, just totally different everywhere else.

And this was brought up yesterday and somewhat explained. And, but I was wondering if you could address that issue as well, since you have taken geology, how do you interpret the regular the geological timetable?

In fact, we're gonna have you repeat your question when we return from the break, because I don't want to cut Dr. Taz Walker off in mid-sentence. So if anybody else would like to join us on the air as well with a question, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

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Geological Timetables, Flood Geology, and the Global Flood

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Chrisarnson at gmail .com. Now we return to our discussion with Dr. Taz Walker of Creation Ministries International, also known as CMI. We are talking about the Genesis Flood, its lasting global impact, which proves the earth is young.

He is defending a young earth creation position. And before the break, Reverend Buzz Taylor, if you could summarize your question so Dr. Walker can now answer it. Yes, I would like.

You to respond. You heard the discussion yesterday concerning the geological calendar and his explanation of knowing the age of the layers and all that. And I do remember reading an article years ago that that whole model is kind of amiss because of missing strata and reverse strata and that the order of strata that we have been accustomed to hearing through the various eras and periods is actually only found in like two different places on earth.