BLACK FRIDAY NIGHT LIVE ***Q&A with Mr & Mrs YourCalvinist***

Live from the Theo shed in beautiful Callahan, Florida. It's Friday night

Your Calvinist podcast is filmed before a live studio audience And welcome back to your

Calvinist podcast. My name is Keith Foskey and it is I am your Calvinist and this is

Friday night live and I'm here with Mrs. Your Calvinist Hello. Hello. It's good to see everyone out there already seeing the comments beginning to come in and we are so grateful that you guys

Are spending your black Friday night with us it is black

Friday the official beginning of the Christmas shopping season and we are excited to To begin spending the

Christmas season with you talking about a lot of cool things that are going on And we have so many things to get to tonight.

I Like last week, I don't know that we're going to get to everything, but that's cool We're gonna try to take it a little bit more chill tonight

Last week, we felt like we were just rattling things off and just boo boo boo boo boo. Hey Michael Foster's out there

Good to see you Michael. Thanks for being here Just so you guys know I try to answer every question that comes in But sometimes there's more than we can get to and we don't want to take it.

We don't want to be in a rush we want to be able to sort of go through this and have a good time and Last week

Jennifer didn't get to talk as much And I I didn't like that I said man, I want you to be more involved and have more of a good time and tonight

We're all about having a good time because we Michael Foster definitely.

Thank you Because we are celebrating tonight We are celebrating a huge win and it's all because of you guys.

We set a goal about Five weeks ago and that goal was we wanted to hit 30 ,000 subscribers

By Thanksgiving. Well yesterday right before we had our

Thanksgiving meal. I opened my phone I looked at my subscriber count and it hit 30 ,000 and I had an audible

Yell to the point that my my parents all looked at me and thought I was crazy Like why is he yelling is because I was so excited.

We hit 30 ,000 right before I had Thanksgiving dinner So I just want to say from the bottom of my heart

I am so thankful for all of you for supporting the channel 30 ,000 is not a huge number to a lot of people but to us and that's that's amazing

Something we never thought we would get to and now we're on to the next big milestone We don't know what that is yet.

I mean, obviously every every subscriber is a milestone the big number for those of you who don't know in the in YouTube world is a hundred thousand subscribers because that's when you get your your your play plaque from YouTube, they send you a silver play button and My kids are always saying aren't they?

Yeah, daddy. Get us a play button. Like like that's what they like. Oh 30 ,000. That's great Yeah, that's right.

You get the play. What do you get a play button dad? So so like the kids are wanting me to hit a hundred thousand. That's gonna be a lot

But we're trying we're working hard But my wife and I are going to have a

Baptist celebration tonight We brought along some glasses now Jennifer.

I'm gonna let you choose. I have two glasses here I have the John Calvin glass for those who maybe can't see that's that's

John Calvin on this glass and We have the Charles Spurgeon glass I've been sometimes called the

Spurgeon of Ocean Way if you don't Ocean West a little area where our church is in Jacksonville so these are

These are the glasses we're going to be having our celebratory drink in tonight our celebratory drink is

Welch's sparkling grape juice. This is when Baptists go wild and We're going to celebrate tonight

Baptist celebration So Jennifer, are you going to be drinking out of You want

John Calvin? All right. Well, I'll be drinking out of the Charles Spurgeon mug or glass so Oh ladies first ladies first, let me give you your glass and If you're at home and you want to pour yourself a glass of your favorite drink and have a toast with us

We're gonna toast to our 30 ,000 Our 30 ,000 subscribers actually over 30 ,000.

I think we're like at 30 ,000 and in something is But we are over the number

It dipped under by the way while I was having Thanksgiving dinner. I looked and it went back down to 29 ,000 998 you had screenshot and I had already screenshotted 30 ,000.

I think we hit it even though, you know went backwards that happens sometimes All right, everyone. We raise our glasses.

We say thank you to you all for doing this I want to thank my beautiful wife for all the time

That she has been patient with me when I was making videos editing videos and I'm just thankful that she has been a part of The Friday night live.

It's been a fun thing to get to do together So Cheers Cheers Cheers and God bless.

Oh That's so good. It's so much better than wine. I don't care. I'm not a wine guy.

Oh Sparkling grape juice whoo salute very good. Very good. Very thankful thankful for you guys

Well, we want to get down to business and get to going on the on the show tonight

There's so many questions. We want to get to before we get to the questions. Oh a couple of quick things And I thought

Jennifer you and I could chat about this and let the let the folks chat with us about this Obviously We do our podcast every week and every week.

It's a different topic and a lot of times the topics that I choose Really are just because I have access to something like last week

I had the opportunity to engage with Brian Borgman on his commentary on Ecclesiastes That wasn't something that I had necessarily planned or because it went with anything

It's just that's when I had access to Brian. So I wanted to talk to him about that. And so, um,

I want to ask this question as I'm making plans and I'm going into the future and I'm thinking about people who

I can invite on the show who I can reach Out to one of the things that everybody seems to really enjoy is when

I do the bowtie dialogues Can you agree with that that the boat bowtie dialogues people?

I mean People really seem to respond to that. So my question for you tonight is

Who well first of all what denominations Do you think that I have not interviewed yet that you want me to interview and then who from those?

Denominations what representatives from those denominations? Would you want me to reach out to and talk to so so what denominations?

Do you want me to talk to and who from those denominations? Would you want me to who do you think is a good representative and Jen?

I want to ask you I'm gonna get you in here on this. You've seen all my shows. Mm -hmm. I mean, I think What which one of the bowtie dialogues have you found to be the most helpful

You put me on the spot, right? Oh, I totally didn't tell her we were doing this by the way I just wanted to take an opportunity to drink some more of my

Baptist wine here I'm drawing a total complete blank right now the one

I Know I've watched several like that. I like I enjoyed the

Anglican Okay, but which one because we did I did the one with the group of Anglicans They were from the

ACNA and then I did the one with the one Anglican brother watched the group the group

Okay, you like the Anglican one? Okay. I do think and that's another question that I've had and I want your comments on this

Do you prefer for me to interview a group of people from a denomination? or is it better when

I interview one -on -one and for instance, like I did a group of probably the most the most

Battlefield Bowtie dialogue I did was when I interviewed the

Independent Baptists. I mean those guys were calling me a heretic They said because I preach repentance and because I was a

Calvinist I was a I did not enjoy that Jennifer does not like it when

I get called a heretic y 'all or any name on YouTube YouTube is YouTube is rough

She she doesn't like she doesn't like to read the comments sometimes because some people are very mean and that's okay.

I've come to Be okay with it, but she's more sensitive than I am. So I say just don't read the comments.

Don't care Doesn't matter most people are kind and just be thankful for that. Yeah, mama bear in coming

Absolutely. Y 'all have no Rob is right. Yes. He gets very mama bear very much Okay, so do you like?

The groups or do you like it when I talk to one -on -one? I like the groups. Do you? How many is how many is not that group?

You didn't like the group the Independent Baptist. Okay, that's fine but let me ask you this how many in a group is too many because sometimes

I think When you have five or six guys or in and I've had up to seven I think on that when

I did the first one I did it was Presbyterians and man that was cool because I had the guy who was the chairman of the

National Convention on that year. I had a bunch of other Presbyterians on there

Potato sandwich says he thinks three is a good number. Sheldon is agreeing three is perfect in the Mary's also saying three is good

All right, so here's your here's your challenge guys I want you to think What denomination even if it's one

I've already done if you think I should interview another group or another couple of guys Tell me what denominations or group because I do want to do like a dispensational one like I have

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My name well Andrews a dispensationalist. I want to do a dispensational Version of bowtie dialogues and I want to have

Andrew on and I also I'm trying to get Michael black Michael black is a person I've interacted with before if you don't know who that is.

He's a very important scholar in the In the dispensational world

Justin Peters, I was just mentioned Justin Peters is a good guy. He's he's a friend I've talked to him several times and he has offered to come on the show before so that might be a good topic

For to have him on maybe if I could have him Andrew and Michael. I mean, that would be three very well -known very

Godly, and I would say very well read and written Dispensationalist so if you guys have other ideas,

I see somebody just doing a Pentecostal So Somebody said

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I call him the fetus because he's still he's still wet behind the ears He is very young and he is giving me a hard time

He told me he was gonna give me a hard time tonight. Well, he is he's certainly doing that. Yeah, he did get me

I did not say David Platt was coming on the show Even though he was he is he has a standing invitation if he wants to talk about the documentary

He is totally welcome to come on the show. I would I would love to talk to him about that All right, I'm feel like I'm droning on about this

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I came into the show tonight I noticed a few questions online that were coming into the comments and since you guys were so Quick to get on there and begin asking questions and wanted to be a part of the show so quickly

I want to answer some of you guys first because last week I don't think we got it We had 17 questions last week.

I don't think we got to any of the online questions. So Let's go

Hit the mute button. Excuse me Let's go ahead and ask answer a few of the questions One of the questions was asking

I had mentioned an online seminary and you wanted to know what online seminary I was talking about well, if I'm not certain who you're talking about but if most likely you're talking about the

Academy that our church provides our church provides a online ministry of education or An online teaching ministry called

Sovereign Grace Academy. You can learn all about it at Sovereign Grace Academy Org you can register join a class and right now

I'm finishing up I'm in the last three classes of a survey of the early church early church history

From the fall of Jerusalem to the rise of Augustine you can go and learn about that class You can even take that class

You can start it from the beginning and just take it throughout and the tests and everything are in there They're all digital when you're finished a certificate is produced for you and it's a two -year program

It's not accredited. We don't provide any degrees or anything like that But we do have a two -year program after which you complete eight core classes

You get a diploma of basic ministry training and there's no cost. The only cost for you is the cost of the books

We don't charge anything for you to be a part Currently, we've got about a hundred students in our class on early church history are well

We got about a hundred and fifty registered, but about a hundred they're actually doing the work watching the videos every week We're keeping up with them online and it's going really well

If you're looking for other online seminaries, I want to give you a few to point you to Michael Schultz is a professor at Forge Theological Seminary.

They're great. Dr. Sam Waldron has Covenant Baptist Theological Seminary. Both of those are available online.

There's also Grace Bible Theological Seminary, which is dr Jeffrey Johnson met him last about three months ago, and he's out in Arkansas Those are other seminaries that you can look into doing online programs with all right

Somebody just asked Megadeth or Metallica Really that's the question.

I Grew up listening to Metallica never listened to Megadeth. So that's that's what that's that have to be my answer

Another person speaking of seminary another person asked what seminary did I go to and that's a great question

My seminary was Jacksonville Baptist Theological Seminary It's in Jacksonville used to be on Edgewood Avenue, but then some property was gifted to them

So now they are over off of West Connett in Jacksonville, Florida and our

Sovereign Grace Academy actually partnered with them years ago Where our classes would sort of mirror their classes and be able to provide credit if you wanted to take classes from us and get

Credit at Jacksonville Baptist Seminary Nobody's ever really done that though because most of the people who take the online courses for us aren't necessarily looking for credit

They're just looking to learn the material and get the certificates from us So it isn't some something that anyone's take advantage of before But my point is

I have a doctorate from the seminary and they have allowed me to teach there I've taught I did some substitute teaching for them in the past haven't done a full class yet But I've done some substitute teaching for other professors

And that's the name of the seminary. You can look it up online JTB SEM.

It's JTB seminary. So it's Jacksonville Baptist Theological Anyway, look up Jacksonville Baptist Theological Seminary I think it's not edu not reformed.

It is not at all, but they love Jesus I mean they used to pray for us when we were trying to have a baby and I don't know good

Great. No, tell that. Yeah, talk about that Yeah, I I used to this was pre pre children

I would come and like sit in on the classes with them and got to know the professors there What they've both gone on I mean they both have passed but one was dr.

Powers Especially and he would pray with us and he would talk to us he would encourage us he would

I think he'd be so surprised today. Wouldn't he? Dr. Jerry Powers was such a blessing

I quote him all the time anytime you've ever heard me say the joke There's a Greek word for that baloney.

That's his joke He used to say that him in class all the time. And so I keep the I keep professor Powers We used to call him

Pappy Powers. It was such a such a great we had a relationship with him There's almost like family and and he liked us to call him

Pappy Powers, which is funny But he was he was the vice president of the seminary. Dr Vernon Johns was the president when

I was there. Both of them have gone on to be with the Lord and Those men they were not reformed but they they they encouraged me to study they taught me how to love

God's Word and how to love God's people well and I will always be grateful for what those men gave to me in in the opportunity

To take classes with them and learn with them. And these are men who love God's people and loved his word.

So This is one of the reasons why I you know, I'll never say that being reformed is a point of orthodoxy

I think you can be you can be a person who doesn't Necessarily hold a reformed theology and still be a godly person and a

Christian we can disagree on on the finer points of reformed theology so that's where I went to seminary and I'm the black sheep now because I am reformed but they still love me at least miss

Sarah does I know she's the miss Sarah's the the secretary there and she's she's always been a great supporter and encourager

All right, there was one other question that came in through the comments before we get to the emails actually

This one was very important. It was about the question of church hopping and I don't think

I could find it even if I tried because the comments have just been keep coming in I don't know if I could go up and find it right now, but essentially the question was about How do

I how do I not be a church hopper? Let's see.

See if I can find it. Here it is. I found it. I'll put it up. All right. Congratulations on 30 ,000

Thank you. Sela. I appreciate that. Congratulations. We love you and we appreciate you new to my area.

Don't want to become a church hopper How many times should I visit a church before I visit another how many churches should

I visit? Before making a choice. Thanks. Well, let me say this Sela. That's a great question

I'm glad that you asked and let me go ahead and just say right away There is no perfect answer to your question

I can't say exactly but I'm going to give you some hints on how to do this the best way that I know how and number one

You can learn a lot about a church by their website Particularly if the church has a statement of faith and a church tells you what they believe and why they believe it on their website, so your first introduction to the churches in your local area should be looking at their websites and then hopefully like a church like ours you would also be able to watch services, so Before you step foot in a church, you should have already done your research to know if there's any major red flags

Before even going that way you don't have to hop around too much

You can sort of narrow it down I don't know what your particular theological background is But if you know your

Presbyterian or if you know your Baptist, you know, you are Theologically in the

Calvinistic camp or not. Those are some questions that should be pretty apparent On the website some churches don't put their beliefs on their website.

I would eliminate that I would just eliminate that if the church isn't telling you what they believe kind of up front

I would say probably not where you want to go And this is a recommendation to any pastors who are watching listen if you're a pastor and you don't have what you believe on your website

That's not good. I don't think I think you need to you don't have to I mean you have to dot every T and Cross every

I wait, let's strike that reverse it You don't want to dot every

I and cross every T but at the same time I mean if you go to our website, you're gonna see the five solas.

You're gonna see the 1646 confession You're gonna see all the things we believe because we want people to know before they even come into the door who we are

So that's the first thing once you have narrowed it down. Okay.

This is a church that believes what I believe then visit the church and Look at how this is this is my personal opinion.

This is just Keith Fossey's opinion Look at how the leadership interacts with the people.

I'm a firm believer that sheep Shepherds smell like sheep so if the shepherds of the church have no interest in the people and they don't seem to have any

Interaction with the people if it's if it's very much a disconnect from the elders or the leader the pastor and the people

I would Say that's a that's a red flag for me I'm not saying he's got to be everybody's best friend as our church grows.

It becomes increasingly difficult to be as Close to everyone as we want to be But we have in our mind at our church

We kind of have an idea of how far we want to get before we would Look at planting another church because once you get to the point where your pastor no longer knows the people

Then we think that's a problem and you're not really pastoring people You don't know and so that number is different for everybody as far as how many people you think you can

Rightfully manage and rightfully shepherd But if there's no interaction from the people Or from the pastor to the people.

I think that's gonna be one major red flag. Another major red flag. I think is is joy If you go into a church and everybody looks like they've been sucking on persimmon juice and they just weaned on persimmon juice

I think is the phrase it just looks miserable I think that's kind of a kind of a tell sign and a lot of churches do have that They just have this sort of misery and isn't yeah a frozen chosen, but sometimes it's just like a like a mad angry chosen

They're not frozen They didn't mad about everything and they didn't don't they just don't seem like they have much joy and you're not gonna learn that You're not gonna learn that once You're you're not going to learn that Just one time because if you go to a church you might go on an off Sunday What's that Jake you he visited?

I'll put it up there if you want to read it Case in point. I visited Keith Foskey's church I was actually happy that the church family had more attention than me, even though I was a visitor

I was welcomed by people for sure Yeah, and I'm glad I hope I had an opportunity to shake your hand

I try to one thing I do at the end is I like run to the back and sometimes people like try to stop me because they want to ask me a question but I'm always trying to get to the back because I always want to make sure

I Shake hands with everybody on the way out. It's just something I've always done and you know going on, you know, my 18th 19th year

Now, I guess I just always wanted to be back there so that everybody knows That I was thankful that they were there and I care about them.

So that's a big deal to me Second again, if everybody looks miserable and thirdly and this is gonna sound somewhat subjective it is but if you know that people believe what you believe and You know

The the pastor cares about the people and the people care about one another and there's a feeling an atmosphere of love But you still feel off if it doesn't feel right and I know that sounds very subjective

Almost sounds almost ungodly to say go with your feelings But there is a sense in which if you go in and it doesn't feel like home

That's probably not the place you want to be you want to you want to invest your life with these people

And if you can't invest your life with these people because you don't feel comfortable with them that that may be something worth

Considering now there may not be enough churches for you to have that consideration There may not be enough good churches. You may have to just stick it out.

But once you find a place that is comfortable Oh, don't know watch will follow you I'm not saying follow your heart, but there is a sense in which there's got to be some comfort there

You've got to feel like you can grow with these people not letting something like the music or something Some people say

I didn't like the worship or I don't know be mature I think that's what you're saying and I definitely agree

You know, I Do I do think you're right people will come in and oh

I didn't like that song or I didn't like you know The pastor went five minutes longer than I think he should have be mature in your decision -making be be

Think about the godly things, you know, how are people treating one another? How do people treat their children? That's another thing to kind of be on the lookout

How does the congregation treat children Our congregation is family integrated. Now. I'm not saying every church has to be family integrated

I know that's a debate our church is family integrated. And so if the church isn't family integrated, that's that's okay

That's maybe just the way they do it. But how are they treating children? do they treat children like a nuisance that needs to get out of the way or they treated like People who need to be ministered to or are they treated like part of the congregation?

Those are things that I would want to know and things that I would be concerned about so hopefully that's helpful

All right, so That that that that ends the the questions that came in beforehand

I've seen some more You know more questions are coming in but I want to definitely get to some of the emails now and The first one

I'm going to answer is a is a biblical question Is the is a question about a prophetic passage that is a difficult one

So I want to put up the Keith Foskey Alert right now and the alert is do not get mad at me if you disagree

This is one of those times where I'm gonna ask you to please be be calm because this is a passage that is

Highly debated by the way, David just mentioned Jordan Cooper. I'm gonna mention I'm gonna put him down. I would love to Interview Jordan Cooper Oh secret something secret.

I guess I can tell him now next week Lord willing I Will have

Hans Feeney the mastermind behind my awesome theme song on the show to talk about his

Christmas videos Horace ruins Christmas if you've never seen his video Horace ruins Christmas, it's awesome. It's a great.

It's a teaching tool I've used it in teaching before and we're gonna have him come in and talk about Christmas Talk about how

Christmas is not stolen from other pagan religions. I wrote about that this week in an article called

Why your liberal argument why your liberal relatives arguments against the holidays are a steaming pile of reindeer feces

If you didn't see that article, I I titled it the way I did so that people would actually look at it

It is all about why the Christmas holidays are not actually stolen from pagan holidays

Like a lot of people believe and if you don't believe me go read the article you'll find out more about it. All right, so Hans will be here next week and we're gonna be talking more about that.

But Jordan Cooper is a great guy I've invited him on the show before but just our schedules have never worked out He said he would be willing to come on, but we just haven't been able to make it happen.

All right getting back to The question of the scriptures the question is from Daniel Chapter 9 which means the question has to do with prophecy and Has to do with a question regarding who is in view in Daniel chapter 9 in Daniel chapter 9 in verse 27

It says and he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week and for half of the week

He shall be put an end to say he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering All right, so the question that came in in the email actually this was from one of our buy me a coffee folks

Which again, I'm so grateful for those of you who choose to go and donate it all the money that's donated feeds hungry children

Hours as our children are always hungry. And so we're grateful for everything people can donate.

It's awesome And this question came in through there and the question is who is the person who is making the covenant?

Who is the person who's making the covenant in Daniel chapter 9 now if you are from a uh background, which is a

Dispensational premillennial almost everybody who holds that position would say that the person making the covenant here in Daniel 9 is actually the antichrist however, uh

I take a different perspective That the person that the covenant being referred to is the the new covenant and the person making the covenant here

Is the lord jesus christ so yeah, that's a major difference and so the question becomes who's right well it really

It depends on how you come at the book of daniel and how you're looking to interpret the book and and and I don't have

Time tonight to walk you through all the exegetical reasons why I would come to this conclusion But I do have a resource for you brother.

Michael collier who is um One of my fellow elders just finished an entire series

Through the book of daniel and he made the argument for this passage being about jesus

So if you want to hear more about that, I will put that link in the the description

Uh the link to the series in the description And you can go listen to what he had to say on the subject.

I will say that is Um, I would say he knows this better than I do

Even though obviously i've studied this as part of my overall study of scripture He has invested a lot of time in the book of daniel and currently is preaching through um

Is currently preaching preaching through the book of revelation um, all right, so that is uh

That position again if you're mad at me you disagree with me You think that i'm crazy or brother mike's crazy

We understand, uh, we get told that that's okay But remember we're coming at this from a partial preterist

Amillennial perspective not from a dispensational premillennial perspective. So that is where uh again

We we want to use proper hermeneutics, but everybody has a framework that they're working from and that's how we arrive at that conclusion

That's the framework we're coming from. So hopefully that's helpful. And before we go any further

I want to mention something else kind of fun Jennifer and I have been making some funny videos together today

We went christmas shopping because we said it's black friday every year We do this every year we get up in the morning and we go do some early morning shopping

We have breakfast today. We have breakfast at the waffle house, which is awesome And we just spend time together in the past.

We used to go really early Stand in long lines like fight people for television.

We've never fought anybody. She's exaggerating But we remember, you know, we we would Watch some people sleep in tents outside of best buy to save 50

On a television you go sleep in a tent outside best buy i'll give you the 50 if you don't bother me

We don't do any of that It's great. I don't think that's still a thing but what we did today we we

These videos have been going around lately where people have been showing things that they find We made a fine video we want to share with you

Listen, I need a christmas ornament that says I live in a double wide without saying I live in a double wide I've got just the thing

What I really need is a santa claus that is way too big to go inside my house Check it out. I got just the thing look we'll cut a hole in the top of our roof

We could put it right inside I'm looking for some ornaments for our tree I'm looking for a gnome with a hat and I want it to be a football ornament

Maybe the worst team in the nfl. Listen, man. We're not supposed to show these to people Hey, listen,

I know this is going to sound funny, but I really need a santa with a dirty beard. Look what we found

Listen i'm tired of angels. I want something on top of my tree that is going to be absolutely unique and completely frightening.

I got you Is that a tree topper? Okay, this is important i'm looking for an ornament that would really annoy my baddest relatives

I got the perfect thing of course light That was so much fun

Thank you for doing that with me The dirty beard was my favorite part because we're walking through we're looking at all these santa clauses

And like santa claus has a white beard. That's the thing right and it was And it was um

It was just the dirtiest looking beard so yeah Greg moore in a santa suit.

That's funny. We did a couple that didn't make it that we had one where we had found this cow that was all bedazzled and it had a giant red hat on and I said it was a cow that looked like a um,

It looked like a a disco ball. Yeah, but the footage guy didn't come through I didn't tell you that one that one

We filmed we filmed it but it didn't work. So All right, the worst team they said is the la raiders or the las vegas raiders.

I thought that was los angeles raiders I don't know anything. I honestly don't know. I know that we have the jaguars.

Um, maybe we're number 27 We're well, we're bad. We're bad All right, so Let's move on, uh to another question

Okay, jennifer. I want you to read this is another question about prophecy. This one is a little bit more specific so, um, this is

Comes to us through email Okay, an uncle of mine has been the fundamental baptist pastor for over 50 years

He was telling us that the church age can only last 2000 Because that's what the bible says.

He says jesus was crucified april 3rd 33 a .d So add 2000 and that's 2033

Which apparently means tribulation starts april 3rd 2026. Is that correct?

I'm, so okay. I'm just i'm just gonna say no that none of that was correct Actually, that'd be a good place to start what well,

I mean He well, we don't have to read the rest, but I will say this he goes on to say That this person says that they're nervous because at that point their child

Is going to be four years old and are they going to be having to go through the tribulation?

They don't want to watch him starve All that is part of the email. We don't have to read all that But yeah, so first of all

For all my prophecy folks out there person writing in this email very serious, so I want to take it serious, but it does it does show that um

There's a lot of assumptions here That need to be at least addressed

The question is Is this person correct this person who's been a baptist pastor a fundamentalist baptist pastor for 50 years, is he right?

No He's not right. Now. I don't know this guy and I don't know his heart.

I don't know who he is And he may love jesus and love his mama, but when it comes to this he's dead wrong and i'm going to prove it

Simply by a very basic thing He is saying

That The church age can only last 2 000 years because that's what the bible says the bible

Never says that The bible never says the church age lasts 2 000 years in fact the term the church age

Is is a term we sort of impose on the scripture This is not something that the bible teaches the bible doesn't limit the

Quote unquote church age or if you want to say the times of the gentiles or however, you want to define the church age

It doesn't limit that to 2 000 years and Here's the part that's really easy to prove wrong.

He says jesus was crucified april 3rd 33 ad Prove it

I don't know you sir, and I don't know who this person is You cannot prove that And here's why because we don't know when jesus was even born

Right There is no year zero Jesus was not born on december 25th

Zero zero zero zero. I mean you remember back to future. Yeah, remember he says let's witness the birth of christ

And he types in if you don't remember this is one of the greatest scenes in movie history when doc brown types in December 25th zero zero zero zero that that that is

That that is intended to be funny Because that is bonkers

To say we're going to go back to december 25th 000 now I do believe That december 25th is a possible date for for jesus's birth, but we don't have the year we don't

The year of jesus's birth is not Something that we know what we do know is kairinius was governor of syria

And herod was still alive because herod is mentioned in the gospel of matthew and kairinius is mentioned in the gospel of luke there's a little bit of difficulty with that because historically the

History shows that kairinius was governor of syria after herod died And so there's some issues there when it comes up with the history of scripture

How do we harmonize those things and that's one of the things that we need to do? I did a whole video on this like two years ago about how we harmonized that question of When kairinius was governor of syria and when herod was still alive because again the magi came to see herod, right?

He was still alive Whenever he um, he came but he died before what we would call one

Bc or 1 ad right that Herod was dead So jesus was born before the time we typically put for his birth so it's important that uh

You understand whoever whoever the person who sent this question in Jesus crucified april 3rd 33 ad is just not the case.

We don't have the actual date. Jesus died There's no historical evidence for this There's not even really proof that jesus's ministry was 30 was only three years

We get that Basically from the gospel of john which gives us basically a three -year cycle of jesus's ministry from the times

Jesus went jesus went to jerusalem and things like that But we don't know for certain jesus's ministry lasted three years.

We don't know he died at 33 All of these things are best guess scenarios. Somebody just put douglas just put best guess 4 to 6 bc

I would agree with that which would put the death of jesus if he was 33 sometime in the late 20s

Okay, so we know he died and he rose from the grave. I agree with that too legit but Um, by the way, uh, mary just said there was more than one kairinius that's possible

There's also the possibility that kairinius served more than once as governor So that's that's kind of been my argument as to why kairinius is mentioned in luke's gospel

Is the likely that he served as governor more than once so? And um

I don't ever mention this name a lot but uh Michael um Oh goodness, he wrote.

Uh Oh man, I can see his face He he wrote uh

Kruger no, it's not michael kruger and i'm thinking michael foster because he was out there earlier. I want to be still with us No, but there was a he he wrote on um, the council of the gods.

Uh, uh, I can't think Yeah, he he lived here in jacksonville, and I can't think of his name

Um, but he talked about this he talked about kairinius in a video and I and I talked about his video in a previous podcast his name is

Michael something michael heiser. Thank you. Yes. Michael heiser Who wrote the book on?

um The unseen realm and he talks about this whole question of kairinius being governor of syria.

So um I'm spending longer than I wanted to let me just say this Is everything he says about dating is incorrect

The argument about the um The tribulation period I would take issue with that Simply because I have a whole different view of what the tribulation is and how we are to understand it and so I would not allow this to make you miserable or make you uncertain or make you worried about the condition of your son's future

I would pray for your son to trust in the lord Jesus christ and pray that god would give him a new heart so that he would trust in the lord

Jesus christ so that whatever you face and whatever he faces he will face under the blood of christ and saved by his gospel alone

And he will face tribulation in this life because we're all going to face tribulation in this life We're all going to face suffering and hardship and we're all going to do that for the cause of christ at some point

So I can't say he's not going to face tribulation, but these dating methods are simply false And so, um

That's my that's my answer to that question All right, uh before we get to the next question,

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Okay the next question I am a 24 year old presbyterian christian who currently attends an lcm ms church

How would you defend the doctrine of limited atonement to a lutheran? Especially when he brings up a verse such as second peter 2 1

I can see support for the other doctrines of grace in scripture But I have a hard time finding a verse that clearly supports limited atonement

Whereas I have been shown several that seem to mitigate against it My friends and pastors seem convinced it is quite untenable position

They have seen my five -point calvinist shirt. I bought from your channel. It's a bit of a joke between us First of all, thank you for buying the shirt from our channel for those of you who don't know we do have cool merch it is in the in the uh show christmas is coming that it's in the uh,

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I appreciate it. Um, but yeah, if you're in a lutheran church, they're not going to like that so just uh

Not not a surprise there So the question is how do you defend limited atonement to your lutheran?

uh friends well Let's just from the outset say this. Uh, if you're in a lutheran church

And you hold to a view that they don't hold to You're you you're submitting yourself to them while you're there and I don't know why you're there.

Um, you know, uh Why you're attending there? It might just be the best church in your area but while you are there you are going to be um holding to some things that they don't

I don't I I wouldn't make it your business to try to change their mind I wouldn't make it your business to try to to argue with them um

But if you're having a conversation and you're just wanting to engage on this subject Then I would say there are passages that certainly would support limited atonement

Certainly in john's gospel we see passages where jesus says um, you know my sheep hear my voice

I know them and they follow me and You you do not believe because you're not my sheep

These are simply phrases that talk about who jesus died for he says I laid down my life for the sheep um in uh

The debate that I moderated with dr. James white when he was debating with jason brita in tulahoma last year

He made the argument from romans chapter 8 which says uh that christ gave himself up for us all and arguing that the us all there is the is is the

Limiting the group for whom christ died um You've probably heard me talk about owen's trilemma

Which is that jesus either died for all of the sins of all men some of the sins of all men or some of the Or all the sins of some men

I don't want to go through that again. If you haven't heard me talk about that I have a video I did where I talk about limited atonement.

I can link it below Or send you a direct link if you want to find it But let me let me directly specifically address the passage that you sent because you asked about second peter chapter 2

Verse 1 and i'm going to pull that up here second peter chapter 2 verse 1 says

But false prophets also arose among the people just as there will be false teachers among you

Who will secretly bring in? destructive heresies Even denying the master who bought them bringing upon themselves swift destruction now

This particular passage is often used to go against the doctrine of limited atonement because It is argued that what peter is saying here is that the false prophets were purchased by christ

Because it says they have denied the master Who bought them and so the argument goes?

Well, if if if if the false prophets have been bought by jesus and now they're denying

Jesus who bought them and they're bringing destruction upon themselves Then that's proof that jesus actually did pay the penalty for their sin

And therefore their sin has not been atoned for or has been atoned for But they're still going to hell because it says they're going to bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Therefore According to those who take that view therefore the

Doctrine of limited atonement is not true uh the calvinistic

Well, I would say the calvinist response There's no such thing as the calvinist response because different calvinists have different response my response to this passage

Is this this is not talking about the atonement of christ? And people said well, wait a minute.

It says the master who bought them Yes, the term master here is the term despotis And in the particular context that it's being used.

I think it's uncertain whether the phrase despotis is referring to jesus who did the work of purchasing our redemption on the cross or whether it's talking about god who does the the grand redemptive act and we and I know we can't separate jesus from god, but in this sense the idea of Those who were the false teachers in the context of peter speaking here were likely the people who were claiming

To have jewish ancestry to people who had a jewish background who would have talked about god

The one who redeemed them out of egypt This was how they referred to god the one who purchased us or bought us or redeemed us out of egypt and therefore

In the context here He could be referring to those who claimed to have this relationship with god who claimed to have this master who bought them

Referring to god the father who redeemed israel out of egypt It's interesting as far as I know the term despotis is not typically referred to Or used to refer to christ in the context of his redemptive work

The term despotis is a specific use of a specific term. And so the argument goes

This is not talking about the redemption of christ on the cross But rather is talking about the redemption the the wholesale work of redemption that that god has done throughout time

And therefore these false prophets would have claimed to be part of the of that redeemed people of god

And peter is saying even though they are jews. They are not going to receive

The the salvation but are in fact going to receive swift destruction So that would be how this passage would or one of the ways calvinists understand this passage in light of limited atonement

Some people take great issue with that interpretation I understand if people disagree again I'm, hoping no one out there starts throwing tomatoes at me if you do disagree, but that is

The way that that is typically responded to or at least the way I would typically respond to it because I have received that question before But again, let me go back to say this if you're in a church that doesn't teach something that you believe it's not your job to try to Argue back against the teachers

You're submitting yourself by being there to what's being taught And if you want to have those conversations in private, that's great

But I hope you're not trying to make arguments during sunday school classes or anything like that Because that's

I don't think that's what we should be doing. Especially if we're in a church that disagrees We already know they disagree if I were if we were attending a lutheran church for whatever reason

I wouldn't be there trying to correct anyone I would just be sitting there listening here listening for the word of god and uh being blessed by whatever

I was being taught and if there was something I disagreed with I would just understand that that's a different understanding than I have

So hope that's helpful to you. Yeah, unless it was something against scripture or not Yeah, I mean if it's something crazy, but again the argument about the atonement

Particularly limited atonement. Certainly. This is not something that should divide us We should be able to have a healthy back and forth on this question.

All right, so That's my answer to that, okay next one

A reformed baptist in malaysia seeks advice regarding a practical challenge faced by sister churches

Where the weekend is officially designated as friday and saturday due to islamic influence

This complicates sunday worship for sabbatarian churches as members struggle to balance early worship

With work and obligations the writer asks for your perspective on whether churches in such contexts

Could consider meeting on saturdays given your understanding of sabbath observance and covenantal obligations

All right Well, I want to mention this i'm so glad this question came in because for those who don't know last friday

I did a dialogue with Matthew everhard on the subject of The sabbath

Matthew is a westmontarian sabbath believer meanings he meaning that he believes

What the westminster confession teaches about the sabbath? I don't I don't believe uh that the um

That sunday is the christian sabbath. I do believe sunday is the lord's day I believe that it has a place in the life of the christian, but I don't believe it's a sabbath

And so if you want to hear my debate i'm actually going to publish that video tomorrow we did it on the

Reformation red pill podcast. So if you want to watch it right now Don't because you're watching this don't don't leave but but when this is over if you want to immediately go watch it

You can go to reformation reformation red pill joshua hames program You can watch it

If you want to hear my position, but if you're willing to wait a few hours, it'll be published tomorrow on my channel it's going to be my weekend video and it's an hour and a half conversation on the subject of the sabbath and uh,

I think At least at the end of it At least at the end of it

When matthew and I came to our point where we knew we disagreed we still did so respectfully and lovingly so the question getting back to the question is

This this brother is in a country which is Focusing on making friday and saturday the day which people essentially take off Rather than sunday

And so the question is in that context would it be wrong for a church or a group of believers to worship on saturday?

The basic simple answer Because i'm not a sabbatarian. I don't believe sunday is a sabbath which which comes with necessarily with with legal restrictions um

I would say it's it would not be necessarily wrong if a church in that context chose to however

I am a lord's day guy. I do believe that sunday has a um

Sunday is a Special day because it's the day christ rose from the dead you go back to the early church

I talked about this in the debate you go back to the early church and the early church saw sunday as unique We see this in the the dedicate we see this even in revelation

I I believe when it says john was in the spirit on the lord's day. I believe that's sunday and and so I do believe sunday has a special place in the life of the believer

So in a context where I was in a in a country That it was that I was forced to work on sunday because that's the question

I would wonder if I was still able to gather for worship at some point on that day With my fellow believers could

I still maybe rest on saturday have a day of rest Which is good for the body and for the mind and and and and that's good but sometime on the lord's day to gather together for the

Prayers and for the breaking of bread and for fellowship and for the hearing of the word When the apostles doctrine right?

That's what acts 238 says they met together For the apostles doctrine the breaking of bread and prayer, right?

Those are the things that those are the essential elements or some of the essential elements that happen when we come together So could that still be done?

in the evening Somebody in line eddie just said the church can meet in the evenings. That's what

I was getting around to I think you're right Eddie could be meeting in the evenings could be meeting early in the morning.

Um and so I think that would be my answer Uh now if a church was a

Sabbatarian church and they believed it was a sin to work on sunday That would be a little bit more difficult

And i'm i'm not sure how I would counsel a church like that. I I I That that would be difficult for me um, that's not the position

I take but if it was the position I take it might be a time for some type of civil disobedience, but I I don't know that even

Sabbatarian churches would want to do that in that context and I can't i'm not that so I can't speak for that So that's where i'll have to leave it is to simply say

I think a church could still worship on a day Uh where the rest of the world is working

You could do it in the morning or in the evening so, um, so that's my That's my answer to the question

Okay I have been wondering recently about whether the second commandment forbids making any images of jesus since he is god and if not all the those images are sinful

Which ones are since I certainly believe certainly believe that images can be sinful

Also, if any image is sinful, how do you respond to friends and such? of making images of christ

Okay for a minute I just want to say I just got to rest my brain Because we we've gone from uh from limited atonement to the sabbath and now to the second commandment violations and It's been a long black friday

So, can we just can we just stop for a minute? And just say, um, you know, we we do try to um, we we try to um

Go through these questions beforehand and try to put them in an order But it's hard because they're so varied. We're so thankful for you guys sending your questions

Thank you. We're grateful because if you weren't sending in questions, we wouldn't have any reason to do this video. So we're thankful for you um

Somebody said drink some water. I don't have water, but you know what I do have I got my grape juice Get a little bit more wait, you got one.

Can I have some of your water? I need to reach out Can I have some of your water? Yeah I'm still gonna get some more grape juice

Okay, second commandment violations, whoo Let me just say this you want some more?

Yes, please. Okay second commandment violations I am I hold the position similar to the position of the late.

Dr. R. C. Sproul And so that means I don't believe that all

Images of christ are necessarily sinful Um, but I did have this conversation on a show about two years ago

I had a presbyterian friend who came in and It was back when the studio was at the church.

So we met in the studio at the church We had about an hour -long conversation where we debated he took the position that all images of christ are sinful and I took a quite

I took the the That all images of christ are not necessarily sinful um however

I sympathize With two tv positions and that's

Here's here's my major thoughts on it. Number one. I do think that Movies and tv shows which seek to depict christ often do not depict him.

Well and um Sometimes depict him wrongly and I think that is bad I think it gives people a wrong image of who christ is the the show the chosen

Is an example where jesus is not demonstrated as he is in scripture and words are put into his mouth that are not biblical

And I think that's a real serious issue not necessarily because of a 2cv issue But because I think it's giving people a wrong wrong impression of who jesus is and that's dangerous

Now I want to I want to say this. Oh stream is Stream hit some some friction

Let's see. Um, okay. It's back now. Okay um In fact,

I want to ask you guys this question I I was given the opportunity to possibly interview dallas jenkins and I thought about doing it on a bowtie dialogue

Obviously i've had other people on bowtie dialogues that I disagree with I want to know if you think

That that would be a good idea. I would not I wouldn't argue with him But I would ask him serious important questions about what he's doing

If you think I should interview him leave a comment below if you think I shouldn't interview him tell me why

Um, but just understand it would be a bowtie dialogue It would not be i'm having this guy on because I agree with what he's doing

I'm having this guy on because I want to talk about what he's doing and um, maybe address some of the areas where we disagree so, um

If I can get him then, uh, tell me if you think that would be a good idea because I have a way in If I want it, so it's a possibility

But I do think that what's happening with shows like the chosen and even like the jesus film the older version

Which was from the gospel of luke Um, which is very popular with evangelists. They go around.

I did a show about that a few weeks ago but ultimately uh

R .c. Sproul made the argument that um That that not all pictures of jesus are necessarily sinful.

Not all art of jesus is sinful but we live in a new age now where Jesus is not just depicted in paintings.

Jesus is not just depicted in stained glass, but jesus is now depicted in video And and and it puts them it puts a picture in people's mind of who he is

And if it's the wrong picture, then I think that's very dangerous And so that's where I think it becomes an issue

Of it could be a 2c 2cv issue. Um So, uh

Those are good questions about the mormon influence. Oh, yeah. Yeah about about dallas. Jenkins That's what I say

I want to know what you guys and I would not Obviously, I don't believe mormons are my our brothers in christ and I would not agree with him on that I would

I would disagree with him a hundred percent on that Okay All right.

So, um So I I think that there can be

Expressions of jesus in art That are not sinful, but in general I try to avoid them with my family with my kids

Uh, we try to avoid these things. Um In fact, we were we were given a nativity set.

This is fun We're given a nativity set as a christmas gift and it's sitting on our lawn and um,

I've I've very much been tempted to cover the baby. Jesus with a big just big

The towel and right on the towel like to cv cover like But our two -year -old keeps trying to steal the sheep out of it, yeah, that's cute

He's not interested in the baby. Jesus, but he is interested in that sheep. He wants to bring the sheep inside um, so, uh, but That is um, and by the way, somebody just said

I won't watch the chosen i've never seen the chosen either We've never watched one episode The only things that I know and I have said

I spoke like I knew that that things were said that were wrong Are things that I have read or clips that i've seen but i've never watched an episode of the chosen

All right. So, um That's that's my answer. I don't think it's necessarily sinful, but I don't think it's a great idea

I think in general today There's too much flippancy with the images of christ.

Um, it's not It's not done in a way that seeks to bring glory to god if you've ever been in rc sproles church, obviously he's been

With the lord now for several years, but in saint andrew's church They are not they are not opposed to images in the church

They have giant paintings that are like eight foot tall that are in the narthex when you walk in And some of them do depict christ on the cross and things like that So he his his view on that was that that was you know

Okay, and and here's here's where the 2cv argument comes in and I understand this argument the argument is

Jesus is god. The bible says don't make images of god. Therefore don't make images of jesus That's the 2cv argument and it's simple and I like the simplicity of it but Jesus christ was man.

He was god in the flesh. And so there is a way in which we can consider his

His humanity and that's what the artistic Part of the expression is some people say well, that's an historian argument because now you're separating his humanity from his divinity

No, but his his divinity was wrapped in flesh. And so That's where the argument comes from.

It's not that we're denying his divinity, but his humanity was was was clearly experienced by everyone who saw him

And so that would be the what the artist was trying to render would be that view of him

So, um, that's where the argument comes from from the side that's saying it's not a 2cv because there there is not an attempt to to capture his divinity

Uh, so that that's that's an issue Or that's the the argument or the issue okay, so, uh

We've got let's see Let's get through a couple more i'll try to limit

Because some of these it's going on two weeks now on some of these questions and I want to I want to do this.

You want to do a speed round? Sure I'm going to try to limit not because I don't care about the questions But i'm going to try to limit my answers because I can talk forever.

You guys know I can talk all night. Yes, he can Don't you sass me I love her and she loves me

But I can talk all night. So why don't we do this? Why don't we do a speed round and yes, you can

I see you fetus out there, by the way parker from watch. Well, that's that's that's the fetus

I'm gonna i'm gonna get a shirt No, i'm not All right. Uh, okay.

Um Let's start now and we'll write down the time stamp. Okay, 10903 go with the next question

What does it mean for christ's physical body and blood to be spiritually present in the communion? Is this a category error?

And what is meant by christ's spiritual presence in the lord's supper and would you hold to this belief? Okay, great question

I'll make it very simple um A lot of people think that the roman catholic view is unique and that they believe that jesus is physically present in the bread and the

Cup, but that's not true That view has shared by a lot of people including lutherans who believe that jesus is physically present in the bread and in the cup

The difference is roman catholics believe in something called transubstantiation Substantiation where they believe that the

Sacrifice of christ is represented in the mass and therefore the mass becomes a perpetuatory sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins

Representing the sacrifice of christ and that is a view That uh, I would repudiate

I would say that's false. That's not true But those who hold to jesus's real presence in the bread and the cup like my friend hans feeney

Who will be on the show next week? He holds to what's called a sacramental presence He believes the physical presence of christ is in the bread and cup, but it's a mystery

We don't quite understand how it works, but they do believe it because they believe that's what the scripture teaches when jesus said

This is my body uh calvinists Tend to hold a spiritual presence view which says that calvin or calvin said because christ's body

Is seated at the right hand of the father that christ's body is not omnipresent, but his spirit is omnipresent he is spiritually present in the bread and the cup, but not physically present and so That spiritual presence is what is normally held in reformed churches including reformed baptist churches

The third view is called the memorial view This is the view our church teaches and that is that christ is neither physically nor spiritually in the bread and the cup

But rather the bread and the cup are meant to be a memorial To the once for all sacrifice that christ made when he died on the cross

And so I don't disagree or argue with people who want to hold a spiritual presence view

I would have some real issue with a physical presence view and this is why uh I would

I would really divide on with lutherans over this issue but The memorial view a lot of people say it's a bare memorialism.

I don't like the term bare because the bible gives great emphasis To memorials it gives great emphasis to things that are meant to remind us of things that are greater than they are

The bread and the cup are meant to remind us Of what jesus did on the cross

And so when we eat the bread and drink the cup we show forth the lord's death until he comes

Do this in remembrance of me And so that's what I believe about the bread in the cup

If a person said I believe christ is spiritually present in this bread and cup I probably wouldn't argue with him, but it wouldn't be what we would teach at our church

So I hope that answers the question of the different views and why different people hold them Okay Next question

Is the modern state of israel fulfillment of prophecy in your view? No on the show, by the way

This is a yes or no question. I'm going to give the answer No, and thank you for saying you love the show I didn't mean to cut you off before you said that is the modern state of israel fulfillment of prophecy.

No um, I don't believe so Uh, and then i'm gonna go right to the next question.

I'll read it since i'm here And then the next question is well, what is your view of romans 11 26? It says all israel will be saved

All right, so here's my understanding and this is very important especially in regard to the way

Israel is being talked about right now, especially in reform circles There's a lot of conversation about jews and how we should understand the jews and things like that The modern state of israel, which is a political state

Is not the fulfillment of god's promise to abraham You get mad if you want that's my view

The fulfillment of god's promise to abraham comes through jesus christ, which means all who believe on the lord.

Jesus christ Become by faith sons and daughters of abraham. That's not my words.

That's the words of the apostle paul Even jesus said those who are sons of abraham are the ones who believe in me and so I I can say that god has a purpose for the nation of israel because it exists and god has a purpose for everything

That he decrees and he's decreed their existence for a purpose But I do not believe it is to fulfill some promise to the jewish people because I believe all of the jewish

All the promises to the jewish people are fulfilled in jesus christ and outside of christ. There's no salvation

Give you a quick story years ago. I saw uh 700 club guy.

What was his name? pat robertson's pat robertson was on with a jewish man and the jewish man said

Well, if I don't if I I don't believe in jesus So that means i'm going to hell and pat robertson said.

Oh, no, you're not going to hell Bible says all israel will be saved and you're an israelite and I wanted to scream at my television.

I came Unglued I about flipped out because I said pat robertson is a false teacher

He just told a man who rejects jesus christ that you're safe because you're a jew that is absolutely false

No one will be saved simply because they have abraham's blood flowing through their body You will only be saved through faith in the lord.

Jesus christ, whether you be jew or gentile and so Do I believe that there is possibly coming a revival among ethnic jewish people?

That's that's where really this question comes. Well, do you believe that I believe that's possible But I don't believe it depends on a national state of israel

I don't believe that that is a fulfillment of prophecy or a necessary part of any future prophecy that's coming

If that upsets you i'm, sorry, that is my view And I don't we were having church in here.

I'm telling you this is important to me because I do not think that um

I think too much has been invested in this belief that we have to have a jewish state to have a fulfillment of prophecy

I just don't think that it's so I just don't think that it's so I believe in their right to exist. I believe that um

They have a purpose as I said because god has decreed that they would exist for a purpose But it is not to fulfill a promise given to abraham

All of the promises of abraham find their yes and amen in the lord. Jesus christ

That's that's my answer to that Okay If prayer is a means of grace does this make corporate prayer prayer in a church service more effectual for sustaining and growing faith

There's a longer email that goes with this, but I tried to condense it down to one sentence the email was asking the question about if if If the things that we do in church are are are meant to grow us and um

Used by god as means to our growth or means of grace in our life Does that mean that what we do in church like prayer is going to grow us more?

Um than private prayer and I think that there is a sense in which what we do corporately does have a special place in our life

Um, but I don't think it's an either or situation. I don't think you should say well Because i'm going to grow in this then

I need to focus more on this or on this We need to have our time of private relationship with the lord where we're going to the lord privately where we're praying privately

And with our family We need to be leading family worship having times of prayer our kids need to think of prayer as something that's normal Not something that is exotic or different or something that daddy or mommy never does

I love the fact that our kids and i'm certainly not lifting us up or putting us on a pedestal But our kids know like we pray all the time like we'll just stop or have we prayed yet?

Like we're praying about this and so Prayer needs to be a part of our normal life But yes, there is a sense in which gathering for corporate prayer has a a special place in the life of the believer

Because we are gathered together as the people of god as the church to do this thing and when the church gathers together for worship and prayer and and all of these things there is a

A way in which god meets with us particularly in that time And I was asked

That's why um worshiping online I mean while that's great for a short time, but that does not that's a good reason why you can't

Public I mean can't you need to be with your brothers and sisters in christ if you're able absolutely and this this

I said I was gonna make these short, but sorry. No, no, no, no No, i'm glad you said that but i'm just to add a thought when it comes to the issue of Uh prayer and and when it comes to the issue of the gathered worship

Somebody asked me this they asked me sent me an email and asked me if I would do a video Specifically on the on what

I said last sunday. I said last sunday There's no such thing as a lone wolf christian And every time

I say that every time I say you need the church you need to be in church People will come and argue with me people will come and and say things that are just you know

Oh, well, I don't you know your churches are bad blah blah blah blah and everyone wants to fight I'm dying on this hill.

You need the church. You need to be in church. You need to be worshiping with the church I'm going to make a video to prove that i'm going to make a video from scripture

That shows that if you're outside of a local church unless you're in some peculiar situation

Where you're either moving or you're in a maybe a place where there just are no local churches Which I think could be possible, but very unlikely

If you are outside of a local church and you're refusing to be a part of a local church I do think that that is wrong and sinful and you need to repent you need to find a church

And i'm going to make a video to prove that from the scripture All right, and even if they don't have the exact small thing

If if they're preaching the gospel, right? I mean Yeah. Yeah. I mean again, it doesn't have to be a perfect church, right?

If it is don't visit don't join you're gonna ruin it. That's the joke, but that's true All right. Let's get to the next one.

Let's let's let's do this. All right My congregation is considering a name change including possibly removing the label baptist from the name

You've said that your church went through a major doctrinal change when leaving the disciples of christ and becoming reformed baptist

So I would like to know what your church's thinking was when choosing a name new name and specifically why the word baptist was not included also

What do you see as good principles in choosing a church name? This is a great question. I'll make it i'll make it very simple

Um your church name needs to define who you are as best as you can So that people know who you are

Um, so if you are a baptist church, I think saying baptist is good but We were not a baptist church when we when we became sovereign grace family church

Remember for those who don't know the story. We were part of the old disciples of christ church. We left the disciples in 99

Same year I got saved Uh six years later, I became the pastor and um

Was leading the church well seven years later. It was 26 years old and After a couple of years of preaching we became more reformed in our thinking more reformed in our teaching more calvinistic

And we were still we still had the title from the old disciples church It was forest christian church disciples of christ.

We dropped the disciples of christ just became forest christian church But it didn't say anything about people were so mad thinking that we were still

Yeah, people would come and they would leave and they would get angry and we had guys come in who thought we were part of The restoration movement.

That's the christian church is usually part of the restoration movement They would come in and they would be like, oh man, you know, uh,

You know, you're not what you're what your name is So we said we need a name that defines us well, but we weren't baptist.

We we only became baptist officially in 2018 That's when we adopted or 2020 2018 it was between 2018 2020

We adopted the 1646 confession, which is a baptist confession thereby becoming baptist If we were baptist in 2011 when we changed our name, we would have used baptist church

Just not sovereign grace. It would have been sovereign grace because there was a sovereign grace baptist in town We chose sovereign grace because it pointed toward our understanding of god's grace in the gospel

We chose family church because we we believe the church is a family that we believe in that And how that works itself out and we are family integrated.

So it worked all all that work together So we we chose a name that was long.

A lot of people said oh, it's too long Can't put it on business card But what needs to be like elevation church or needs to be like, you know It needs to be named after a club like, you know, like like intensify or justify or manage a fire or whatever

You know what junk, you know, it needs to sound like a nightclub. No your church needs to say who you are right now if you're on broad street

Be careful because broad is this broad is the way that leads to destruction Our church is literally

Our church is on the corner of north main and broad street and I think about it every time

I turn on broad street and I say broad is the way that leads to destruction We literally have that painting in our north

Okay People are we're being goofy. All right, so um

Pick a name that defines who you are. That's my answer and and I don't i'm not a huge fan of dropping the word baptist

But if if that's what people are wanting to do ask the question what defines us? What defines us because when

I tell people sovereign grace family church They know who we are almost immediately if they have any

I if they have any history with those words and terms They'll say yeah calvinist. They know unless they think like cj mahaney.

That's the only thing. Okay People ask me well What about cj mahaney the sovereign grace movement the cj mahaney was a part of isn't really around anymore

And when we started when we changed our name, it was already kind of on the decline um their sovereign grace music sovereign grace

The idea of sovereign grace is part of a larger broader term That even cj mahaney had so we get very few people who ask us if we're part of him

And we just quickly say no, we're not part of any of that All right. Let's get through the last last couple of these.

Come on. We got we got a thousand people watching. Holy moses Oh my goodness.

Okay. Um I don't feel the need to stop let's finish and then we'll start fresh next week.

Okay next week Hey, listen next next saturday. We're going to be in a parade So next friday night, we're going to be tired because we're going to have made the float and all that So it may be a shorter show next week.

So let's finish this up very quickly. Okay My congregation. Oh wait Okay, we just did that one dear douglas wilson

I love whoever sent this dear douglas wilson. Thank you. Yes. I am the harbor freight doug wilson.

Thank you I am having a hard time deciding whether general equity Theonomy is compatible with christian nationalism or not as a post mill millennials yourself, which

I'm, not really doug wilson. Okay I am I am a mill doug is post mill

Um, and as r scott clark said I always salute general equity when he marches by That's a dumb that's a dad joke it's a great dad joke

Okay, the question is is general equity theonomy compatible with christian nationalism or not

It's you're I think the person asking this question Is somewhat mixing categories because christian nationalism is such a broad spectrum of ideas.

I mean Honestly, is it compatible with christian nationalism? It depends on what version of christian nationalism you're talking about um and and your theonomic post millennialism typically goes further than general equity theonomy general equity theonomy is the idea that the the the the old testament laws give a general reference to Um how justice should be meted out among people and therefore a general standard by which justice should be

Held to and affirmed and practiced among uh nations and so the idea of again anytime you hear the word general that's general not specific general and There should be this general application of god's law and I would say

In some ways we do see that. I mean our our nation Upholds certain laws and standards that would agree with god's word murder is still against the law

Stealing is still against the law perjury, which is a form of breaking the ninth commandment is still against the law.

And so, um that's uh those are examples of general equity

Um and and theonomy simply mean the application of god's law um, but when we start talking about things like Uh theonomic post -millennialism and and the in the in the more specific use of god's law

When you talk about christian nationalism, it just depends on what group you're talking about and depends on what what area you're talking about So I would really need

I think I would need more specific questions more specific to to nail this down but if you're asking

Whether it's compatible with some with christian nationalism, I would say some versions of christian nationals.

That would be my answer um, but in general the uh, the people who are pushing for A sort of a reconstructionist view would be um a little bit more specific

Than uh than this so that that's that's my answer All right

Well, hey dear woke christian. That's my buddy. Jason whitaker Jason guys, if y 'all don't know who jason whitaker is this guy has a great channel dear woke christian.

He's a good friend and Godly brother and he does a lot of good things. So Grace and peace my friend.

I don't know if you're just hopping in or about to hop out But either way, it's good to see you glad that you joined us tonight I got a couple of quick questions to finish with and then we'll be done

Okay Is the latter part of ezekiel referring to a literal temple? And if so, what is the time frame?

Very good question Uh, this is another prophecy question And again, it's going to be a framework question because depending on your particular eschatological framework

Which is going to be born out of your understanding of things like how you understand revelation how you understand? Ezekiel is this futurist or preterist or partial preterist and all these things are going to take a

Play or come into play My particular view is that there is not a coming future temple

I don't believe in and what some people call the third temple or another rebuilt temple

I don't believe that that's a necessary thing that we should be looking forward to Um, some people believe that typically dispensational premillennialists would say a temple has to be rebuilt because they see

The temple as the fulfillment of ezekiel. They see the the temple as the fulfillment of the the uh, the sum of daniel and of course the the book of revelation where the antichrist is in the temple, right and so um

But if you understand these things from a partial preteristic view and we see the destruction of the temple in 80 70 as being the final

End to those old testament prophecies Uh that would answer the question and simply say

I don't believe in a future coming temple and so, uh getting to the ezekiel portion

It becomes a little bit more Uh in depth having to talk about well What could ezekiel be talking about at that point and there are different perspectives depending on where you come from Uh is ezekiel talking about specifically the people of god who are represented by the temple or is the temple of specific structures?

Just referring to the temple that was destroyed in 80 70 and there are different views how people would would come to that conclusion but I don't believe in a future coming temple that would be rebuilt because All of those things that the temple represented

When they were fulfilled in christ, they became obsolete according to hebrews 8 13 Which says when the new covenant comes the old covenant is made obsolete

All right next question Do you think that mentioning layton flowers frequently in your show can or does push him away from embracing the doctrines of grace?

Let's stop right there layton flowers the question is um I made a joke about layton flowers on my show last week

And the answer is no, I don't think that making jokes about layton flowers pushes him away

Because he and I joke on each other all the time layton flowers is a friend of mine I literally just talked to him by text yesterday

I was in texas a month ago And I only missed him by like that much from having to get together and sit down and have lunch together

And it was just because our times didn't connect layton and I are Genuinely friendly and friends and and we do not have any animosity

So when I make a joke about layton It's the same as if I were making a joke about james white or anybody else who

I consider to be a brother in christ No more prank and I do prank call him Because I think it's hilarious and because he has a great sense of humor do

I disagree with him? Yes, are there things that we fundamentally disagree on meaning? This is some very important stuff

Yes, but neither one of us have anathematized the other he's been on my show three or four times

And I always joke with him because I joke with everybody and that was your next question and that is

Can jokes ever go too far because I said last week I said I make jokes about everything And so they asked the question well can can are there things

I don't joke about Yes, there are when I said I don't joke about I said I joke about everything I I understand

Holiness i've preached and taught on holiness. I believe that there are things

Uh that god is holy, right? So so you typically won't hear me

Make any references to any type of derisive or derogatory uh

Terms with god's name or using god's name in that way, uh, because i'm not going to do that um

I do think that I probably ride a line that a lot of people don't ride As closely when

I do satire and things like when I wrote the article and I said that you're liberal, uh your liberal relatives

Ideas are like steaming reindeer feces. I do that because I do have a touch of doug wilson in me

Yeah, i'm the harbor freight doug wilson doug taught a very good lesson years ago and the title of his lesson was winsome tartness w -i -n -s -o -m -e t -a -r -t -n -e -s -s winsome tartness and what he talked about on that show

Uh really did have an impact on me because he said sometimes the way you get your point across Is through being very kind and very winsome, but sometimes you have to be tart and you have to have a uh,

You have to speak in a way that's going to jab and be sometimes intentionally funny and in humor

Can be one of the greatest tools for impacting someone with the truth

And I absolutely believe that so, um So winsome tartness is something

I try to practice. I don't do it as good as doug But i'm learning I think you do it better Well, that's just because you love me, all right two two two more and we'll be done

Have you ever been to the northeast part of the u .s? Specifically pennsylvania or new jersey if so, where if not, where would you want to go?

I I really don't understand the context of this question, but thank you for asking Um, I have never been north of washington dc

No, wait, that's not true. I've been to I've been to michigan, but I was a boy. Oh, yeah as an adult.

I've never been north of washington dc So i've never been to new york. I've never been to Any of this, you know, new jersey that is where mrs

Calvin is that's where I want to go to new york. She wants to go to new york and I would rather be Trapped inside of a phone booth with an alligator

Trying to use sandpaper to uh, never mind That was a joke i'd rather sandpaper that belly button of an alligator in a phone booth and go to new york, that's it

That's it I'd rather jump into a swimming pool full of wolverines my sister our sister -in -law's from new jersey

I just don't want to do it. I don't want to go to new york, but I love my wife. So at some point we may um, but the if I do know this

I was invited To participate in a conference. I didn't get a formal invite

I was asked if I would be interested in participating in a conference in the new england states and I said

I would as long as they um, you know Is everything worked out calendar wise?

So that if that's the reason why you're asking you want to invite me to pennsylvania or new jersey to come preach

I'm, i'm open to it. Um, but if I come she's going to want to come too so All right

Um All right, last question. We have a feral toddler. Yeah, we have a feral toddler who is not going to enjoy that pressure on the plane

So last question you said in your steve lawson video that if your pastor doesn't know you then he isn't your pastor

Do you think it would be wiser for the larger churches to start splitting off and letting their elders lead the new churches?

That's such a good question. I'm glad this is where we're ending Um boy, we got through a lot tonight

But let me let me say this about that um I did say that in my steve lawson video.

I said if your pastor doesn't know you he's not your pastor and I'm not

I'm, not i'm not going to go back on that because I do believe that that's true But I did also say in that video that I think that larger churches with more elders

Can can divide the church up in such a way That the elders do know the people and and typically what

I see is like a rotation So let's say a church of 500 people and you've got 10 elders.

Okay. Well each elder has 50 500 people 10 hours

Okay I'm not wrong. Okay. Um um

And I did I said pastors smell like pastors should smell like sheep I absolutely believe that but I believe in a church like that You could rotate through the people

And the pastor still get to know all of the people that the pastor elders would still get to know all the people But if you want to know my honest like what

I think right I think once a church is to the point where You're at you're at a certain number and I can't tell you exactly what the number is for our church

We have said this if we ever get past 200 people we want to look at planting another church

Now that may seem like an incredibly small number especially for some churches that are already hitting four or five hundred people

They may think oh, that's crazy. But for us two two to three two to 200 to 250 people

Is about where we would feel like we would need to plant another church um And so that's not a magic number

It's just a number that we've come up with because right now we're about 120 130 people on sunday morning And we're already feeling the pressure of that if another hundred people were to be among us

It would it would certainly change the dynamic of the church quite a bit. Yeah, and so, um uh,

I I will I will say this I hate

Andy stanley's approach to this I repudiate it. I reject it.

What does he say? I'm about to tell you but I just want to say how Absolutely. I hate it

And i'm not I don't know i'm in like a preaching mood tonight start getting my zone here

Andy stanley said and this is on video. You can go find it go find it. He said that People who want small churches are selfish

And that the small churches should be consolidated and and moved into bigger churches

Because young people need to have other young people there around and if you're in a small church Then there's not going to be enough to have a teenage ministry

There's not going to be enough to have a youth ministry and not going to be like a middle school ministry So if you don't have all those ministries in your church

Your church is not functioning the way it should and therefore they should be concerned again If you think i'm exaggerating go find the video and if and if I have exaggerated i'll i'll i'll own it

But I listened to this several times And what he seemed to be indicating is that the smaller churches need to basically be

Consolidated and brought into one big mega church like his and that to me is a a a pile of reindeer feces

It's absolutely Terrible. All right so My I take the other approach.

I think giant churches need to be broken up I think that churches that have five thousand people and one pastor

It's just it's just that's kooky talk Two thousand people one pastor. That's kooky talk

But again, now you're running into churches like john macarthur and stuff like that I'm, not saying john macarthur church is not a church or anything like that.

I'm not saying he's wrong I think that the way that they're doing is the very best you can do in a church that size but guys

I I just I have a I have a heart for smaller churches not just because i'm the pastor of one But because I think people need to be known by their pastors and um

So that's that's That's my thought and uh,

I don't know what You guys are saying is um Is ridiculous,

I don't know j cubed are you saying i'm being ridiculous are you saying That andy's being ridiculous and i'm i'm i'm good either way if you want to argue with me i'm fine

But I just he's he said he's dead wrong. Am I is it me or is it him?

Who are we talking about here if you're still listening? Uh, uh, yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you

Um, because I think that's ridiculous too I think anyone who would say that small churches and this is what he said again

I gotta find the video, but he said You're selfish. He told his congregation.

He said if you want to go to a small church so that you know your pastor You're being selfish. Have you seen this video? Yeah, it's absolute.

I just want to scream when I hear this kind of stuff Yes, you should want to know your pastor You should want your pastor to be the one who is who's willing to come to your home

When you're hurting and your elders should be at the hospital when you're having your babies

And your deacons That's our that's what we should want to do Goodness all right, so Got a little passionate tonight, but hey, we got through a bunch

I think we got through all the questions. Did we write down the time stamps? Most of i'll be spending the next 30 minutes.

Uh putting putting all those in because that's been helpful. All right guys I see a lot of people have been on tonight

We're still I would like to say go back to that question about being up north It is cold here y 'all we live in, you know, north florida.

It's 51 Outside it was 80 at thanksgiving. So it's cold.

It's 51. I do not want to go Mama, I do not want to visit new jersey

I love the cold. I am so happy right now I mean i'm built like a polar bear.

Anyway This is just the best time 29 30s in in pennsylvania

Well guys, I love y 'all. I'm, so grateful. I'm, so thankful. Um, anything else everybody's putting 30 32 13

Okay, maybe 51. It's not let me Let's sign off with this. Uh Just make sure we got through everything

Um, yeah talked about that talked about that. Okay, we're good And Next week next saturday

We're going to be in a christmas parade. I want to ask you to pray for this now In this christmas parade, we're going to be handing out gospel tracks

We usually give out between 2500 and 3000 tracks in one parade because of all the people that are there

And uh, it's it's a red white and blue christmas. That's the theme of the thing so our our our uh

Float is going to be a uh A picture of the nativity without a baby.

Jesus no t's no two cvs It's just going to be a picture of the nativity or a building of the nativity and it's going to have isaiah the prophet preaching

The coming of jesus because he prophesied the coming of jesus 700 years before jesus was born And and we're in and the banners on the side of the truck are going to say

Again, red white blue christmas going to say make bible study great again this right here This this phrase is going to be on there and um, it's going to say

The bible is an amazing book written over 1500 years 40 different authors Uh, three different languages with one message and that is redemption through the lord.

Jesus christ salvation through jesus christ And it was prophesied about 700 years before jesus was born by the prophet isaiah.

So that is our Theme for next week is going to be make bible study great again So if you're sending in questions, maybe keep that theme in mind

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