Gay Interpretations of Scripture & UFO's

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Non -rockabotas must stop. I don't want to rock the boat. I want to sink it!

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Are you gonna bark all day, little doggie? Or are you gonna bite? We're being delusional. Delusional?

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Yeah. Delusional is okay in your worldview. I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional. You don't chastise pigs for being delusional.

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So you calling me delusional using your worldview is perfectly okay. It doesn't really hurt. It's hung up on me!

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YES! I got it! What? Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men.

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The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men lauding them for their courage.

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Go into all the world and make disciples. Not go into the world and make buddies. Not to make brosives. Don't go into the world and make homies.

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Disciples. I got a bit of a jiggle neck. That's a joke, pastor.

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When we have the real message of truth, we cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not.

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Take an amazing journey to a place that will blow your mind and move your heart so you will never be the same again.

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Do not give any of your children to offer them to Moloch and so profane the name of the

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Lord, your God. I am the Lord.

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You should not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. And you should not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it.

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Neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it. It is perversion.

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Do not make yourselves unclean by any of these things. For by all these things the nations

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I am driving out before you have become unclean. And the land became unclean so that I punished its iniquity and the land vomited out its inhabitants.

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But you shall keep my statutes and my rules and do none of these abominations, either the native or the stranger who sojourns among you.

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For the people of the land who were before you did all of these abominations so that the land became unclean.

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Lest the land vomit you out when you make it unclean as it vomited out the nation that was before you. For everyone who does any of these abominations the persons who do them should be cut off from among the people.

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So keep my charge never to practice any of these abominable customs that were practiced before you and never to make yourselves unclean by them.

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I am the Lord your God. That's Leviticus chapter 18, y 'all. Starting in verse 21.

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And so that is what's up, everybody. I am Jeff, the Commoner Ninja. That's Luke the Bear. And that is

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Joy the Girl. She's from Sheologians as well. If you guys want to go check that out, go to Apologia Studios .com.

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You can listen to all the Sheologians stuff. Candy's been listening a lot lately, actually. I noticed that. She's been sharing.

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Actually, I think we talked at length about her in an episode that she listened to.

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Did you? We were talking about her bread. Oh! You know about her bread.

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I do know about her bread. Yeah, today I had fresh baked, made by hand sourdough bread for breakfast, and then she had these two massive loaves that she made and it was cranberry white chocolate and pistachio sourdough bread, which is

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What year of the Lord is the strand of that bread? Pre -Civil

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War? Women are like, this sourdough is from 1789.

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I'm like, that's funky. If it's that old, I don't want it. How old is her sourdough, though?

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I heard a woman talking to a woman in an aisle at Fry's having a conversation about her sourdough starter, and she was like,

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I'm trying to get into bread making. She's like, oh, I'm proud of our bread making community, honey. I'm listening to this go on.

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She's like, my sourdough is from 1776. It was like that. And a woman's like, it's that old?

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And I was just like, man, that's funky. It smells like feet. My sourdough was there for the Constitution signing. That's right.

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My sourdough predates the Lord himself. That's very patriotic. 1776. It's old. It's weird about sourdough starters, though.

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These things are, you have a portion of it you save and make and then pull back and all that stuff. Some of these really genuinely are old, but the thing about sourdough starters is that someone's like, hey,

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I'll give you some sourdough starter, but you may not actually want it. And the reason why is because sourdough starters that are made in someone's house, they pick up the flavors of that person's home.

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You're getting a little essence. The essence of their house. So depending on who that is.

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Know who the host is. I love you and the Lord loves you, but some of y 'all have some stinky houses. I prefer essence of Martha Washington.

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There you go. If you ever walked into someone's house and you're like, man, I love you and the Lord loves you.

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But you let your cats climb on your kitchen counter. I love you.

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Not judging you, but it's pungent. It's a bit pungent in here. I went into someone's house once and it was a friend and this is back when

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I was like national karate team. You had to train once a month with another partner from the team somewhere. And so I went to her house because she had like a finished basement and you could train down there.

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And I was like 16 years old, but I remember I walked in and her dad was cooking chitlins. And I'll tell you what, there ain't a smell in the world like a good old pot of chitlins.

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That'd be the intestines of the animal. So don't get that sourdough is what you're saying.

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If a sourdough starter is being made in the chitlin house, you may want to take a pass on that.

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Take the chitlins. Maybe not. Maybe not. Alright, so welcome everybody.

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How you doing? You're tired. You just got back last night late. Apparently there was like category five hurricanes or something here in Phoenix last night, so our flight was very much delayed.

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It's global warming obviously because it's been freezing in California and Arizona. When we were in California it was bone chilling cold.

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I've never felt that in California. It was cold. It was really, really cold. And then it snowed two days after we left.

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It actually snowed. Yeah, it snowed. You didn't hear that? I saw someone in San Diego. It's snowing at my house right now.

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It snowed here last night. Oh yeah. It got cold.

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You were coming home. I knew you were getting on the flight. I was coming home and it was just pitch black sky. It's still light outside, but it was dark and the wind was going crazy.

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I saw that no flights were going up or down from the airport because it's right by my house. And I was like, Luke's getting stuck for sure.

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Yep. I got to hang out with the old Pastor Zach and the old Salt Lake City. Every time

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I've been in Salt Lake the last year I've been delayed hours. Yeah. Get it together

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Mormons. It's them. It's their fault. It's all the Mormons. Just kidding. Hey, so I have some good news.

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Interesting news actually. I'm excited about this. Many of you guys have been keeping up and you've seen the last couple of weeks of episodes.

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We did do I think an episode recently, and we've done some highlights from that on Apologia Studios, on the gay theologians, the

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Reverend Brandon Robertson, a popular gay theologian, apostate from the

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Christian faith. He is very popular globally in terms of somebody who's representative of a person who professes faith in Jesus and claims to believe at least some of the

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Bible and tries to make a case for gay Christianity that you can be gay and Christian a follower of Jesus and a homosexual and be involved in a homosexual lifestyle.

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And so he believes that. He teaches that. He's got lots of content on YouTube and on TikTok. He's been involved in even public discussions with Dr.

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Michael Brown and others. And so we have been posting some highlights.

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The team has and yesterday a highlight went up on Instagram and Brandon Robertson actually responded.

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And I think he said something. Forgive me if I don't get this exactly right. Something to the effect that why don't we just talk in person rather than a hypothetical.

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And so which we responded immediately, said absolutely. I think we said how's next Tuesday sound. And you got to give the man credit.

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Appreciate the courage and the desire to have a dialogue.

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And so we are scheduled right now. He's agreed to it. We're scheduled to be here in the studio next week.

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And you guys will probably catch that episode next Thursday during the same time as this. And so Brandon Robertson has agreed to come on and have a discussion.

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It will be Dr. James White, myself, and Brandon Robertson so as to keep the amount of people down that are in here talking to Brandon.

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So excited about that. I think it's going to be an important discussion. I think it'll benefit people on both sides of this discussion.

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So thank you to Brandon Robertson for agreeing to have the discussion. Yeah. Very thankful for that.

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Yeah. Is he going to actually, wait, I don't know where he's from. I think he's going to zoom in on this. Definitely will be zooming in.

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Okay, so I think I was right about that. He was going to Moody in the past when

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I knew about him in the past. I did see him on my friend's list on Facebook and he said that he used to watch videos of our stuff when we were engaging with Mormons back in the day.

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And I think, I feel like he's on the East Coast now. But I know that I heard before he was going to Ireland, I think to go to Trinity to get a

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PhD. And so I'm not sure if he's in Ireland now. He may have already told that to me.

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James O 'Brien's in the chat thread. Go get him, James. Who is? James O 'Brien. Oh, James O 'Brien. There you go,

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James O 'Brien. So everybody be looking forward to that next week on Apologia Radio. A discussion between Dr.

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James White, myself, and Brandon Robertson. And so today we want to have a discussion some more since we're having a discussion with Brandon.

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We thought we'd examine some of the things that he says to get you guys ready, to let you get to know Brandon Robertson and have us engage a bit with him.

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So this is sort of a preliminary start to the discussion and to introduce you all to Brandon Robertson so you know what he says, what he teaches, what he believes.

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And then I also wanted to talk a bit, just for a moment, about the UFO or UAP situation.

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UAP was for a while being used more. But now it's like people are going back to UFOs more.

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Maybe it's just because it's pop culture. That's how people refer to them. Unidentified aerial phenomenon. UAPs. And so many of you guys have probably heard in the last couple of weeks we didn't just shoot down a

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Chinese spy balloon. We started for days in a row shooting down other unidentified flying objects.

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So I'll prep you for it now because we're not going to spend a lot of time on it but we'll at least have some of the discussion.

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I was just curious from the title I saw, is this a gay interpretation of the scripture and UFOs? Is it a gay interpretation of UFOs as well or are they two separate?

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They could be the same. Depends on how you want to look at it. Just depends on how you want to look at it.

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We'll refer to them as they then. Inclusive. So I wanted to just show you guys you guys may or may not have heard obviously you've heard about the

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Chinese spy balloon getting shot down but then shortly after that for a number of days a number of other objects were shot down and they weren't identified, at least to my knowledge they may have identified some by now.

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And this discussion about UAPs, UFOs is going to become a greater and greater discussion and more and more commonplace just because there are, without question video there is video evidence and other evidence data, radar data and those things those sorts of things about physical objects we can't explain that seem to defy the laws of physics and those sorts of things and so we've had these discussions before here on Apologia and on Cultish describing the occultic nature of a lot of this but we need to be ready as Christians not to simply wave our hands and be dismissive to the actual physical evidence but also be ready to deal with the worldview implications and the clear worldview implications coming from guys like Dr.

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Stephen Greer who is one of the popular talking heads in the movement and so we want to prepare you for it because it's always loaded up at the front as a scientific discussion observational evidence, those sorts of things and then it moves right into the occult and you're going to hear that from Stephen Greer today and before we do this is going to get you prepped for it to see why it's an important discussion to have.

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This was Senator Kennedy, I guess about a week ago or a little over a week ago saying to lock your doors tonight after he had a meeting giving

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Congress an update on shooting down objects in the sky

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This is such a weird response by the way It's such a weird, almost like unprofessional

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You're in Congress bro, you can't tell people to lock your doors Are they coming to rob our houses? I thought it was strange too, it was really strange.

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So just so you know, this is going to become it's becoming a conversation that you have to have something in and be ready to contribute toward.

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It's a conversation happening on the Joe Rogan podcast pop culture is having this conversation Christians need to have an answer.

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We have had answers for a long time and we've been trying to do that over the last couple of years but here you go

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Here's what I took away from the briefing Many people intentionally or otherwise have been given the impression that a couple of weeks ago our skies were clear and then all of a sudden we have spy balloons and other unidentified flying objects raining down on us like confetti that is not accurate

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These objects have been flying over us for years many years we've known about those objects for many years we're not sure that we've known about all of them but we've known about many of them except for the

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Chinese spy balloon, we don't know what they are what's different about the last two weeks is that we've started shooting them down but we can't find the remnants except for the spy balloon and that's what

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I took away from the hearing today They're lost

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They can't find them The remnants are in very difficult terrain, low temperatures lots of inclement weather and they're looking but they haven't been able to find them

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So, there you go That is Senator Kennedy talking about the

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UFOs and Chinese spy balloons Sorry, I was just going to say the whole thing is just strange, it's not, he's just, clearly they caught him in the hallway, it's not like a press conference and he's just like I'm just going to tell you all these classified all this classified information that we've known for a long time but we just haven't told you

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Let me drop something, it'll change your world immediately and don't forget to lock your doors It seemed like so intentional out of place

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I think the unprofessionalism of it is what strikes me first These things have been around for a long time, we're only just now shooting them down, we don't know what they are, and by the way, you're not safe So lock your doors

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We can't find them, we don't know what they are We don't know how quickly they're going to get to major cities

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Interesting They could be here with us now I guess the best thing to do is since we're already having the discussion, let's go ahead and we'll cut to after this, we'll cut to the

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Brandon Robertson working through Leviticus chapter 18, it's going to bless you I think that conversation is really going to bless you, but since we're here let's go ahead and have it

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There is no way around, at this point having to deal with the actual footage, like for example the footage of fighter pilots chasing objects, glowing orbs light that appears and darts back and forth not being able to catch these things diving into water and moving under the water the same way they're moving out in the sky, chasing one and it disappears and appears miles and miles away instantaneously on the radar there's data for that, you can watch it with your eyes you can listen to the pilots talking about what are these things they can't catch them there's no way out of that however, there is a clear worldview attached to much of this whether you get into things like Sitchin and Anunnaki and Planet X and Nibiru or if you get into Stephen Greer and you watch his movie and forgive me,

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I'm thinking it was called Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind or it's just called The Fifth Kind we did a talk on this before, if you get into that you'll see the first 15 minutes

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I was just saying this to Joy, the first 15 minutes of that film is pretty compelling it seems scientific, based on observational evidence, those sorts of things things that comport with the

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Christian worldview logic, reason, integrity, observational evidence, that kind of stuff and then it just switches on a dime just turns right away after the first 15 minutes or so, and it goes right into occultism straight occultism communication with spirits, transcendental meditation, remote viewing non -locality, all of the standard fair new age and occultic stuff that's made its way into era 3 medicine and we did a thing years ago on a local chiropractic practitioner that was practicing

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KST which is essentially occultism and chiropractic care where you're using techniques like dowsing techniques and getting binary responses same stuff you would use with a pendulum, years ago was being done in a local chiropractic clinic, and it's just all standard fair new age occultism, communication with spirits and Stephen Greer was just on the

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Sean Ryan show and we love I mean we love the Sean Ryan show

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I gotta message him by the way, I need to we've had a friend, or friends on the Sean Ryan show, we're hooked up with a lot of Navy SEALs and that's a huge blessing in our lives but we just did a show actually with a

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SEAL who is on Sean Ryan's show, Eddie Penny, you guys can check that out on Apologia Studios, last month or so and so we love the

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Sean Ryan show it's a great guy show, you know, dudes on there special ops guys, SEALs, Delta Force, you know, all that to talk about their experiences in combat,

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I mean it's just like a man's man's show, sorry Joy, it's a man show, it's so good it is totally a man's show combat, fighting, courage, it's just it's great, so highly recommend the

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Sean Ryan show, obviously I don't agree with everything Sean Ryan says it's just a podcast talking to a bunch of awesome men but I saw oddly

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Dr. Stephen Greer on Sean Ryan in the last week or so and I was like, huh, that makes sense, you know

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Stephen Greer commenting on the UFO stuff, UAPs all this stuff, it would make sense because that's a big discussion being had right now in the public square, and so anyway

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I watched it last night, it's about two and a half hours long and sure enough, just like Dr.

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Stephen Greer's show, his movie on the fifth kind, making contact with these beings through meditation and seances and all the rest, just like the show the movie, the

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Sean Ryan podcast starts off with like two hours of the science and the witnesses and the evidence and all this stuff and then it just, boom, turns to this discussion about straight occultism and you know, look it's not a new thing alright, like communication with spirits transcendental meditation, remote viewing, all this stuff, this stuff is as old as the hills and this stuff has been around forever and these techniques and this kind of seances and sorcery and trances it's very popular man is it so popular, today it's becoming more and more popular

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DMT trips, ayahuasca all that stuff, taking substances to get into an altered state of consciousness to communicate with the other side that's a big popular discussion right now

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Joe Rogan's had the discussion a bunch so dudes are getting into that guys are taking trips to Mexico and other places to do like weekend trips

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DMT, Sean Ryan did it yeah he did, he said it changed his life yeah he said it changed his life, like being able to get to this other realm through the use of psychedelics and then to communicate with the creatures on the other side all that stuff, and so it's becoming very very popular, but like I said, it's as old as the hills and so this is a popular discussion,

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Stephen Greer fits right into it right now and so again, the Sean Ryan show starts with a very scientific observational evidence, witnesses, all that stuff, and then gets right to and now here's how you communicate with them but here's what

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I want everyone to see God condemns this practice Deuteronomy chapter 18, go read it in God's law, he forbids communication with the dead, he forbids the practices of the nations where they would do this sort of a thing, take substances to communicate with the other side

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God forbids spiritism necromancy, communication with what's on the other side because here's the reason why, because what you're going to make contact with isn't what you think you're going to make contact with something that you didn't anticipate and so God protects his people, you see it in both the

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Old Testament and the New Testament, like when the Apostle Paul talks about the works of the flesh, he even mentions sorceries that would be in line with that same thing taking substances, communicating with the other side, spiritism all that, so Christianity the biblical worldview forbids this sort of a thing and locked right into the center of this with Dr.

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Stephen Greer is not merely a scientific observational, what is happening here let's just look at the evidence, look at the witnesses it is a clear worldview of how do we communicate with these beings across the universe yes, here's what he says

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Would you consider what you're doing with CE5?

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Oh sure, it's a more advanced version for the purpose so CE5 Contact in the app you'll see the purpose of it is for humans to be able to liaison with these civilizations and bypass the government who've made a mess of this so one of the things that we came to realize is that the management of this and it's understandable how it tracked into military and intelligence operations because it's technological and we want to know how these things work but the complete management of it that way caused there to be a huge mistake in the relationship between humans and these other civilizations and here

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I want to put a button on this, when we detonated the first atomic bomb and the subsequent ones when those go off, everybody knows what an electromagnetic pulse is what they don't know is that there's an attending so called scalar or longitudinal wave that is faster than the speed of light that disrupts the fabric and communication and propulsion guidance systems of extraterrestrial vehicles this is why they came in in huge force in the 40s and 50s and this is why every single atomic and nuclear weapon storage facility processing plant and base and ship has been surveilled by these

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ET vehicles because when those things are used, it is very it's like tearing the fabric of space time now there are a few,

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Jacques Vallee knows so I'll pause there for a moment what he's referring to here is this I'm sorry

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I didn't pull it off my computer Dr. Stephen Greer has created an app it's called the CE5 Contact app and so you can get it on the

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Google Play Store the CE5 Contact app and it's an app that's been created specifically to teach you to communicate with extraterrestrial civilizations, to communicate across the universe, millions of light years away, with your mind with your spirit, to these other beings and so the app itself

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I'll just read this on the equipment list contact work can be done with just a chair and a quiet night however, use of this app and the recommended and or additional optional items listed below have the potential to make your field experiences easier such as detecting anomalous activity, initiating communications or highlighting documenting celestial events and so he has recommended stuff like equipment and that would be chairs, food and drink and the rest and so there's a link here on the app where it says contact, follow step by step instructions for making peaceful contact through CE5 and so it's an app where you're being taught to engage in meditation that involves issues like non -locality, remote viewing, how to basically communicate with these spirits and if you watch his documentary,

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Dr. Stephen Greer's documentary on contact you'll see they make it you'll see they make it they go out into the wilderness have a little seance a little transcendental meditation and there is documentable footage where they are making contact with these bright lights that will just appear and then come and do what they say, they'll make contact and they'll come and they'll come towards them and all that stuff, they'll tell them where to go and it's interesting to watch they didn't even have to lock their doors either yeah, they didn't even lock their doors so that was actually not the part, what happened,

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I think it skipped it skipped just forgive me guys, I'm just going to play real fast here so this is something that the senators and the president don't know let's see here

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I'm using the F word please don't use that F word found something useful for some people let's see here, remote viewing let's see he's dead forgive me guys there you go there you go ok, here we go he's dead now he says yes, when we did that we kicked the hornets nest because we actually disrupted their entire system and remember, entanglement we think straight line speed of light well,

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EMP, electromagnetic pulses are going to reach Alpha Centauri or some star system but these so called longitude or scalar waves it's a point that goes out in a straight line without the wave function those are multiples of the speed of light and they're highly disruptive and so this is something that the senators and the president don't know so there's a whole scientific brief that has to be done on how do we get to this place and because it's been mismanaged this creates an existential threat for the whole planet that we have people who don't understand it who should, and the people who do understand it are weaponizing the systems and by the way that's how we have downed dozens and dozens of extraterrestrial vehicles we're using these advanced energy weapons but not the ones at the speed of light the ones that are longitudinal or scalar and those are ground based sea based space based we have

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NRO satellites with these things on them and we can detect an extraterrestrial vehicle when it's dropping down out of trans -dimensional so in other words when it's not 3D but it's moved through these other dimensions and it's about to quote unquote materialize there's a neutrino light scatter so he's having a discussion here it's near the tail end of the show guys and forgive me something happened where the video skipped here

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I had it just on the spot, I needed it but I'll describe to you what you're going to hear from Greer and I think

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I'll do it just about right you'll hear him mentioning occultism and spiritism and communication with the spirit realm you'll hear him describing it in a really unique way he avoids well he doesn't completely avoid when he talks about non -locality and remote viewing he's using the standard fair language that you would get from the new age but he talks about this practice of communication with beings who are millions of light years away in terms of technology and so he talks about the technology that he teaches and he engages in to communicate across the universe because we're actually entangled and this goes back to you know the way that we typically describe this there are two basic world views there's one -ism and two -ism one -ism and two -ism one -ism,

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Peter Jones gave us this I think it's fantastic, one -ism is essentially the perspective of all the world religions and new age, whatever they might be one -ism is that all of us are a part of this one thing the universe itself, the gods come from that one thing, they come from that as well they're part of this thing, this universe the universe, one we're all one and so that is the new age thing we're all one with the universe you gotta learn to make contact with other beings and we're all one and the gods are part of this universe all the rest, there's one -ism and then there's two -ism that's the

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Christian worldview, the Biblical worldview is there's a creator and there's a creation, there's a distinction between the creator and the creation and so there's the one -ism, two -ism thing now, the way that Dr.

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Greer describes it in terms of communication and occultism is we can communicate with beings who are millions of light years away because actually we're entangled we're all entangled and so your thoughts can communicate across the universe millions of light years away in an instant and so you just need to learn like a nuclear test you just need to learn to basically be able to be there's non -locality and there's remote viewing you need to be able to get out of your body into that realm to communicate and so Greer claims to have had communication with these beings and he teaches you the technology to be able to communicate across the universe with these beings and again

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I highly encourage you to do it go watch Stephen Greer's Fifth Kind documentary and you'll see exactly what

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I'm talking about, it switches from this is all observation and scientific to it's just straight occultism and that's what he gets into here, it goes from observation and science to now

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I want to teach you how to do occultism and so he promotes his app and the app teaches you to communicate with spirits it's crazy it's obvious there's no hiding it yeah that's what's crazy they've kind of hijacked the occultism and just given it different names it's just repackaging it for the modern mind that wants to think scientifically and with technology well that's already been in terms of all the the like up front like atheist humanist leaders or minds that have sort of shaped the movement that's always been an option even in terms of what came before us what aliens has always been for some reason an acceptable answer to a lot of atheist humanists so yeah it's really not new it's just, it's becoming more common

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I also do think that I think that as much as it's being sort of repackaged in like a more scientific way

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I also think the new age is becoming more acceptable it's

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I'm sure the two were hand in hand but it's not considered as as weird or woo woo to even just experiment with the new age.

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It's almost as though people I mean I'm sure there's plenty of atheists out there that just materialistic atheists but I think a lot of people have realized that they don't totally consistently live as though material is all that exists and so then you have this sort of weird religious very new age version of atheism that I don't know, that's sort of like expanding they're expanding this it's all in the name of being open minded and healthy skepticism or whatever but I don't know

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I think it's probably one of the most popular religions in the United States right now. What was that movie we did something on it

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I think early on in Apology of Radio's history, what was that show with, was it Dr. Ben Stein it was his thing on atheism?

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What was that called? Shoot. That documentary he did. Well even in that documentary The one about like higher ed?

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Yeah basically indoctrination. Was it called indoctrination? Oh I actually think that is what it's called I think that's what it's called, indoctrination and in there even as Stein presses on these atheists and their evolutionary worldview because I think that's really what it's about you even have,

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I believe it was Dawkins, it was one of the famous atheists that said like well perhaps we were just seated here by a higher alien race, they seated us here and that's where this ultimately goes, see it's not just about the evidence, it's a worldview issue is that Dawkins doesn't want to have

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God but he's going to have some meaningful and coherent explanation for human life. Expelled, that's what it was.

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There you go, that was actually really good. It was really good. And so Dawkins when pressed in that documentary he even says perhaps we were even seated here by higher alien intelligence and that's kind of where this stuff will ultimately go is like you can't have a creator creation distinction and so you have to have some answer and you know we're all one and there's these other alien species and races that evolved much further back than we did and so because of that you know we can have these visitations and they're all part of the same universe as us in this universe of chaos and time and chance and so you can talk to them and so here's an app, it's $9 .99

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by the way for the app I'm not going to buy it Is there a free trial?

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Yeah it's a free trial so you can look at it Are you making a sales pitch for this? I'll just end with this

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I said standard fare, it's common when I was young I was like 14, 13, 14 years old,

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I was big into the martial arts not a Christian and you know what I grew up with was the combat martial arts stuff, that's what

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I grew up with, like how to fight, it was just, it was straight fighting and but I was really always intrigued by ninjutsu and so I started getting into ninjutsu for a bit

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I had a ninjutsu instructor and I got all these books and everything else and so I spent time in that realm of martial arts, not all martial arts have occultism attached to them but this one certainly did and I remember distinctly reading the book on ninjutsu the first couple chapters and the one thing it wanted you to do to start doing was to learn to meditate and get out of your body remote viewing was being taught in this book on ninjutsu and so I was like 13, 14 years old lights out in the corner of my room for hours trying to get into you know, transcendental meditation exiting my body and viewing people from far away, miles away and you know, it's in ninjutsu, it's in the new age, it's just it's standard fare, now it's in the world of UAPs and UFOs so, yeah take a look everybody, it's a very interesting conversation to have, okay so,

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Brandon Robertson again, if you guys are just jumping in, has agreed to come on Apologia Radio he'll be on next week's episode, that's what's being planned right now

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Dr. James White and myself will be here at the table with Brandon Robertson, popular gay theologian and so I thought we'll do a preliminary thing here, talk about, let you hear what the man says this is

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Brandon Robertson it's a longer video, it's on his YouTube channel, the video is about 31 minutes,

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I'd love to do every piece of it, but I thought well, let's just take a piece of it and deal with that, this is Brandon Robertson attempting to give an interpretation of Leviticus chapter 18, from his perspective, that it's not actually talking about gay sex, it's not about homosexuality it's about something different, and so let's make sure that we're as Christians, listening to what he's saying and filtering what he's saying through the text itself and being aware of the common tactics of many who attempt to disrupt the

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Biblical narrative or Biblical truth via proof texting, and so you're going to see that very clearly here in just a moment, you guys feel free to stop me at any time, here's

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Brandon Robertson on Leviticus chapter 18 ...and the verses and places people find anti -LGBT sentiment from the

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Bible are not actually as powerful of weapons as they think they are Leviticus 18 is a chapter in the

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Levitical law given to the nation of Israel to the Jewish people only that's what the book of Leviticus is it's a section of 612 laws given to the nation of Israel exclusively, to the

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Jewish people exclusively, about ritual behaviors that they are supposed to practice within their religion, within their land

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Leviticus 18 verse 1 and verse 2 essentially say this is my summary do not be like the

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Egyptians, where I am bringing you from, or the Canaanites to which I am bringing you to remain pure because I am the

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Lord your God Leviticus 18, that chapter, is a series of divine dictates for the people of Israel to keep them pure and unlike Israel or Canaan or unlike Egypt and Canaan they were just coming out of captivity in Egypt and they are just about to conquer the land of Canaan and so God is saying there's going to be cultures and the influence of these cultures and these religions that you're going to come in contact with you should not bring those cultural influences with you, you should maintain a strict cultural and religious distinction from these other cultures and if you go through the list of Leviticus 18 there are a number of strange commands that are clearly not moral commands but are very specific ritual commands for instance,

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Leviticus 18 verse 20, the verse right before the one that says a man shall not lie with a man as with a woman says do not sacrifice your child to Molech so for a start

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Brandon makes the claim that Leviticus is a book that deals mostly with ceremonial type stuff and we're not dealing with morality that affects the nations or that God expects for the nations to obey and so this is a book

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Leviticus that's just for the Jews and it's just about particular religious practices and ceremonial stuff that is supposed to preserve the

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Jewish people as the Jewish people and not identify them as Egyptians and so we're not really talking about moral things here, we're really talking about ceremonial type stuff and this is just religious stuff for the people of Israel now, if you're a careful student of scripture, you don't need to read very far into Leviticus to realize that that claim is a bogus claim it's easily refuted, like for example

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Brandon wants to try to say that this is about religious customs and it's about purity laws, those sorts of things it's not really about moral things and these things only really pertain to Israel because that's really what the book of Leviticus is about, right?

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it's just about ceremonial stuff and the people of Israel only, it's only for the people of Israel that's what

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Leviticus is about it's laws pertaining to the people of Israel okay, let's challenge that, so that's

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Leviticus 18 I'm gonna show you that from Leviticus 18 itself that that's a very bogus claim it shows that you haven't read the text you won't be faithful to the text but let's just try this, that's

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Leviticus 18, let's jump ahead just to Leviticus 19, shall we? so, in Leviticus 19, let's see if this sounds like ceremonial laws

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Leviticus 19 starting at verse 9 when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge neither shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest, and you shall not strip your vineyard bare, neither shall you gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard, you shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner

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I am the Lord your God so here we have a law about caring for the poor and the sojourner among them, so, loving their neighbor verse 11, this is 19 you shall not steal, you shall not deal falsely, you shall not lie to one another does that sound like that's just for Israel that's not for the surrounding nations,

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God certainly doesn't care if the Egyptians lie or steal, right, that's not pertaining to them, you shall not lie or steal, you shall not deal falsely, you shall not lie to one another you shall not swear by my name falsely and so profane the name of your

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God I am the Lord, you think God's fine with Egyptians profaning the name of God you think the

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Egyptians, God's fine with anybody else actually profaning

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God's name, swearing falsely here we go, you shall not oppress your neighbor or rob him, the wages of a hired worker shall not remain with you all night until the morning, you gotta pay your workers for their work, you think that just is for Israel that's just, that's not moral instruction for the nations as image bearers of God, that's just for Israel, the people of God, that's just ceremonial stuff you shall not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block before the blind but you shall fear your

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God, I am the Lord verse 15 of chapter 19, you shall not you shall do no injustice in court that's just for Israel?

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is that ceremonial? you shall do no injustice in court, you shall not be partial to the poor or defer to the great but in righteousness shall you judge your neighbor

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I'd like to see these laws practiced in the United States of America, how about you guys? even just slightly how about we take five of these, that'd be nice you shall not go around as a slanderer among your people and you shall not stand up against the life of your neighbor,

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I am the Lord that's just for Israel, not for the Egyptians this isn't moral instruction, this isn't the law of God for his image bearers this is just for Israel you shall not hate your brother in your heart and that sounds entirely

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Christian to me but you shall reason frankly with your neighbor lest you incur sin because of him you shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your wait a minute, you shall love your neighbor as yourself

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I am the Lord I don't know, that sounds like pretty basic Christian instruction to me

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Jesus did say that, that's funny Jesus was quoting from Leviticus you shall love your neighbor as you love yourself is

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Jesus, God incarnate referring back to Leviticus, which

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Luke as you know is just ceremonial stuff not dealing with moral stuff, to the nations this is an instruction from God to people of how to love

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God and love neighbor. Jesus also said that he did not come to abolish this but to fulfill it.

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That's right Matthew 5, 17 -19, I did not come to abolish the law, may namasete, do not even begin to think that I've come to abolish the law of the prophets,

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I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them, if anyone teaches someone to break even the least of these commandments, they'll be called least in the kingdom of heaven but if you do them and teach them, you'll be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

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That's Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount New Testament, New Covenant Jesus interesting, a very different perspective than Brandon Robertson but another thing that needs to be noted here is that Brandon makes the claim that this section about men with men is just really about, it's not, it's for the people of Israel, it's not for the surrounding nations, this is just for the people of Israel but brothers and sisters, if you would just simply read the text

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Leviticus chapter 18 says this verse 22 you shall not lie with a male as with a woman it is an abomination it means loathsome or detestable it is loathsome or detestable, it is not simply ceremonially unclean that word is the same word used in Proverbs chapter 20 when

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God says unequal weights and measures are an abomination in His eyes that's unequal weights and measures that's not about being ceremonial and clean that is about moral perversion it's the same word that God uses when

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He says that there are six things the Lord hates, yes, seven are an abomination to Him and in there is someone who causes division, someone who has blood on their hands the whole thing of even discord amongst brethren

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God says that's loathsome and detestable it's not just ceremonial uncleanness, it is detestable loathsome to God, but here's what

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God says and you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, do you think seriously?

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Brandon, I mean this with respect to you, I want you to know Christ do you really think that this is a good interpretation of the text because it says not to lie with animals are you saying that that was just command to the people of Israel it wasn't to something that God wanted the

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Egyptians to follow? do you think under the new covenant Brandon that sex with animals is a good thing that it's a good moral happy thing to have sex with animals in the new covenant because the text says you should not uncover your brother's wife you should not uncover take your son's daughter or her daughter's daughter to uncover her nakedness, they are relatives it is depravity, you should not take a woman as a rival wife to your sister

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I think those are good commands not just for Israel, but for the nations you should not have sex with an animal do you think that's just for Israel, but it goes further do not make yourselves unclean by any of these things for and here we go, just Israel by all these the nations

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I am driving out before you have become unclean and the land became unclean so that I punished its iniquity and the land vomited out its inhabitants you shall keep my statutes and rules and do none of these abominations lest the land, verse 28, vomit you out so interestingly all a person has to do is listen to Brandon open the text and simply read it, to realize that Brandon's interpretation is so bootleg and so totally bankrupt it's honestly it's incomprehensible that a person would make an attempt when everyone has access to the text themselves this is just for the people of Israel interestingly, love your neighbor as you love yourself that's just for Israel, that's not a command of God don't steal, don't lie to your neighbor don't abuse handicapped people that's just to Israel that's not moral commands, that's ceremonial commands don't have sex with animals that's just for Israel and then

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God explicitly says that He has driven out and punished the surrounding nations for doing these practices so let's test it, it's just for Israel not for the surrounding nations so why does it say

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He drove them out? why does He say He punished those surrounding nations for engaging in those perversions?

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all someone has to do is simply open the text, Brandon and so this is what

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I've said when I said last week on the show this is pure deception it's deception you've read the text apparently,

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Brandon, you've read the text and yet, even having read the text you try to find ways to get around the clear teaching of the text just say that this is for Israel and not the surrounding nations when literally two verses later,

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God says that He punishes the surrounding nations for engaging in these practices and I want you guys to speak here but I'll just say one more thing

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Brandon doesn't think like the apostles Brandon doesn't think like the leaders of the early church

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Brandon doesn't think like the inspired apostles because, and I want to read this to you here, in Romans chapter 3 the apostle

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Paul gives his explanation of the gospel and in Romans chapter 3 he says something actually really important about the law of God itself first, in teaching that the law of God can't justify you he then goes on to teach about the law of God this verse 19 of chapter 3 of Romans now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law so that every mouth may be stopped, and here it is and the whole world may be held accountable to God God says, very clearly from His word, inspired apostle something very different than Brandon Robertson believes.

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The same law Paul says that can't justify anybody, it'll never justify anybody, it is through faith apart from the works of the law,

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Romans 3 28 you can't be justified by the law, Paul says that same law is going to be used to shut the mouth of the whole world do you think that includes

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Jews and Gentiles? not just Jews? but Gentiles also? yes, Gentiles also so what's interesting is that you start this discussion and it's like Brandon, anybody can simply open the text and walk with you through your explanation and say

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Brandon, can you keep reading? two verses down, it refutes your interpretation and Brandon wants to constantly play this game of like well, in context, and in context and actually if you look at it in context and take the background in the context

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Brandon, two verses later can we have that for context? just two that's all, just two verses can we move two verses past where you're at and actually talk about sex with animals as well?

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and oh, these are abominations and God actually punishes the surrounding nations for engaging in these things? I think it's important for us to make sure that we're handling the text faithfully.

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Now Brandon may not care Brandon may not care to handle the text faithfully Brandon may actually believe that the text has been corrupted that not all of it is divinely inspired, the

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Anustos, word of God, he may believe that he has the freedom to manipulate and change things or toss things out, he may have the he may think he has the ability to call

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Jesus a racist and say that Jesus repented of sin, those sorts of things but that's not how someone would actually behave if they believe that God has spoken and these are his words and that they're true how are you going to say that you follow

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Jesus? Jesus says, I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man comes to the

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Father but by me and Jesus says in John 17 17, your word is truth God's revelation,

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God's word is the truth how are you going to say that you follow that one, that you're a follower of Jesus and you deny that his word is actually the truth and the standard for all of life, for all of the world, how can you say that?

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Interesting. You guys go ahead. I was just going to say that you know on it's face like these questions you're asking of me seem facetious but they're valid questions and if he wants to be consistent in what he's saying then he should say yeah, you should be allowed to have sex with animals you should be able to have sex with your daughter you can go down the list and so they're valid questions to ask him if you're going to make this claim then you need to be consistent.

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It's just for Israel so can we have sex with relatives? Can we have sex with animals? Can I abuse the sojourner?

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Can I lie? It's easy for someone because most people haven't read Leviticus it's easy for someone to say

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Leviticus is that strange book of law that has a lot of laws that pertain to Israel it's like well you should probably read that book because Jesus quoted from it and said you should love your neighbor as you love yourself he's quoting from Leviticus apparently

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Jesus liked the book of Leviticus we should too there's a lot in Leviticus that has everything to do with loving

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God and loving neighbor which by the way is what Jesus said he said all the law and the prophets are built upon love for God, love for neighbor that means that everything in that book of Leviticus according to Jesus, not

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Brandon Robertson according to Jesus, everything in the book of Leviticus is about loving God and loving neighbor and if you read

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Leviticus again, 18 and 19 just read those two chapters and you'll see there's a lot of love for God and love for neighbor there it's not simply ceremonial law sorry having sex with an animal is far beyond ceremonial law far beyond ceremonial law and when it's called unclean and a perversion it's because that's a moral failing that's not how

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God created you God created the world in a specific way for men and women to be in a relationship with each other

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Jesus says that when he's taught when he's asked a question about marriage he says have you not read that from the beginning

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God made them male and female and a man shall leave his father and mother another set of male and female and cleave to his wife become one flesh this was from the very beginning that's how

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God made the world and so why are these things so sinful why is it detestable, why is it loathsome, why is it perversion when

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God refers to sleeping with relatives or he refers to having sex with animals or men with men it's because that's not how

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God made the world and if you believe that God has spoken then these are his words and you're either going to believe them and try to obey them or you're not

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I think that's the main point I would want to make to Brandon and I'll probably make this to him next week if time permits is that's kind of the main thing for me is

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Brandon, why pretend why say I'm following Jesus when you don't believe these words and you have to mangle them and twist them and rip them out of their context and avoid two verses down it clearly contradicts what

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I'm claiming just two verses down but hopefully nobody sees that because I still want to be seen as a practicing

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Christian who is also gay and so that's why I think why do it at least some people are more brave with their commitments like atheists are just like I don't believe it

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I think it's garbage, I think it's all a lie I think it's all fake, I don't believe it at least people like that you gotta give them thumbs up props at least you're being honest at least you're being honest why say

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I like some of the things about Jesus but I really don't like that he draws from the book of Leviticus because that's just a book that's heavy with law and it's all about ceremonial stuff

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I think we can disregard most of that stuff I kind of think treating the sojourner well is an important thing loving your neighbor as you love yourself is an important moral obligation to everybody,

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Egyptian and Israelite alike Joy, anything? I don't know exactly what to say no problem

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I can add some more I feel like you covered it I do think that the especially when it comes to the distinction between the types of laws

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I think people get easily confused and I don't think it's something that a lot of churches are discipling their people and so it kind of seems like like you said at face value it seems

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I mean the big argument especially when it comes to sexuality tends to be like well does it really mean what we've been pretending it means this whole time it doesn't really mean that just look at it this way and you'll see it doesn't really mean that and so yeah

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I think that a lot of it like you said you just have to look at the text to know that that refutes itself and yeah

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I think the point we can land on there the most is you simply have to look at the text and it's easy for someone like Brandon Robertson to give somebody a song listen to my tune about this text in Leviticus it's you know ceremonial stuff it's about Israel especially when a lot of people have already been a lot of a lot of people have not even been well discipled in the transmission of the text and so a lot of people do think oh well and especially you know there's these little side conversations happening about splits and denominations it's like well

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I don't I just believe the Bible like there's just lots of I think there's lots of really bad discipleship that lets these arguments slide by it's a problem of the pulpit for sure and you know it's a perfect storm for someone like Brandon Robertson to enter into and to take a text like this and say hey you know this was just about Israel it's not for anybody else it wasn't for this one nation it's undeniably something that he also heard at some point he was taught from someone else too which means it's being taught and it's a form of I've been thinking about this a lot recently and just the way that we flatter the arguments the lengths we've gone to flatter people who are living in sin we lie to them to make them feel better and then we don't have to give them this hard truth so it makes us feel better we love to soften the blow yeah we do and again like you said you're getting an argument like this from Brandon in the context of a very ignorant

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Christian communion where he goes to Leviticus 18 gives an explanation to a culture and a people that haven't read

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Leviticus 18 and if they did they would just go well I just know that I've heard that some of it's ceremonial and some of it like some of it doesn't apply today and some of them may have even been taught that like none of the law applies today someone like Andy Stanley they're literally teaching in an evangelical church if that has any meaning whatsoever anymore

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I don't think it does that we unhitch Christianity from the Old Testament that none of this stuff applies and you've even got popular guys in that vein of Jeff Volker, New Covenant Theology you know guys that actually overall are solid dudes someone like Jeff Volker, super sweet just a great, great, loving wonderful man but teaches essentially the same thing like that's all done away with it's all irrelevant like you don't appeal to any of that unless it's explicitly mentioned in the

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New Testament it's done away with on this topic it is definitely explicitly mentioned in the

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New Testament does that mean even the sex of animals? I mean like that kind of stuff as well and you don't see the apostles holding to that perspective of the law of God they just assume it's continuity and validity they just assume it and it's only when you get inspired revelation from God that tells you oh no this holiness code was fulfilled in Christ here's what it meant, it doesn't apply anymore because that boundary wall is taken down that's where you have inspired revelation from God of guys that was only preparing you like teaching you holiness teaching you to be separate from the nations and oh

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Jesus fulfilled that now so it's done, the shadow's over with because we've got the substance that of course you'll see a transition in administration between the

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Old and the New Covenant you'll see those changes but it's amazing you'll even see the Apostle Paul assume things like the death penalty, like that's actually a valid thing if I've done anything worthy of death

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I don't object to dying you'll see him appealing to animal husbandry laws don't muzzle the ox while it treads the grain you'll see him appealing to even laws about where they clean the leaven out of your house even that practice that was prepping them teaching them in a story to rehearse getting sent out of their lives to be separate he even says you don't do that in the same way anymore but you still need to clean the leaven out, the malice all those things, and so we're not under the training wills anymore certainly, but the law of God clearly abides it clearly abides, and if you have any questions about that again, listen to what

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Pastor Luke said about Jesus Matthew 5, 17 -19 Jesus said he didn't come to do that listen to Paul in Romans 3, 31 after he says the law won't justify you he says do we then make void the law through faith he says no, we actually establish the law which law do we establish?

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the same one he says can't justify you that's the discussion the law can't justify you, can't justify anybody it's going to close everyone's mouths we are justified by faith apart from the works of the law so do we then make void the law?

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which one? the same one that won't justify? no, we actually establish it because of Jesus, so very different perspective than the modern evangelical regarding the law of God by the inspired apostles but I'll end with this because I know we're going over time here now but that was

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Leviticus so we've got Genesis, Exodus Leviticus numbers, Deuteronomy Deuteronomy is

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Deuteros namos, it's second law, the second giving of the law and in Deuteronomy chapter 4 this is how the word of God speaks about the law of God contrary to Brandon's claims about the law of God just giving to Israel, it's for Israel this is what

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God says about his law, Deuteronomy chapter 4 verse 5 he says for what great nation is there that has a

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God so near to it as the Lord our God is to us whenever we call upon him and what great nation is there that has statutes and rules so righteous as all this law that I set before you today that's what

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God says about his law sorry Brandon, Brandon you know my challenge to you is this you've already apostatized from the

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Christian faith, you've already denied fundamentals of the Christian faith why hang on?

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why profess faith in the Lord of Glory when you deny his word why do it?

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Brandon, here's what I'm saying to you, I want you to know Jesus I want you to be forgiven, I am praying for you,

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I really am but you are lost and scripture would call you a deceiver because you are, you're taking

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Christian language, you're adopting Christian language and yet you're perverting the very foundation underneath it, and in such obvious ways

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Brandon, in such obvious ways, because the way that you talk about the law of God, and you'll give a proof text here or there from Leviticus is not the way that God's talking about it in the very chapter that you're referring to and then beyond God talks about his law as a blessing to all the peoples, that all the nations are supposed to see it and go, wow that's righteous, wow that's good it was supposed to be something that attracted even the world to that kind of justice and righteousness in Israel because it's the law of God and it's the same law of God that's going to shut the mouth of the entire world,

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Romans chapter three, and it's the same law of God that God says that he is holding the nations accountable to and he's actually punishing them for engaging in these things so there you go pray for Brandon everybody, pray that God opens his eyes to the truth, pray for next week our discussion with him, we hope that it's a valuable and good discussion and I want to encourage everybody to please go check out endabortionnow .com

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for updates on what's going on around the country I'm going to be in Alabama next week on Saturday, no

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I think Saturday's the day, I'll let everyone know my social media stuff we are going to be in Alabama for a pastors meeting, we got a bill in Alabama as well, we got a bill in Ohio as well, we got bills across the country, we also just dropped the discussion that we were able to have before Colorado legislators two weeks ago, it's right here in Apologia Studios do check that out everybody, that is

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Luke the Bear that's Joy the Girl we'll catch you next week, wait did you want to say something I was just going to say as I forgot to mention at the beginning our sponsors,

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I'm tired today forgive me, I just want to thank as always Armored Republic I can't remember their names he's tired

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I have coffee, I need my coffee I got home at 1230 yeah and also new

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St. Andrews College check them out, NSA .edu and I was going to mention there's two important birthdays this week, one of them is an old man and the other one is

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Apologia Church which is now officially a teenager, the old man the old miss

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I turned 45 years old this week really? I will admit it's the one birthday where I went huh you sort of go huh, ok it's happening when you're in your 30s it's another year or whatever you're 45 and you're just like it's happening,

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I'm getting there now headed to death I don't know, closer to Jesus than you

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I feel like the older you get too though don't you start to hear numbers like that and you're like that's still young I feel great

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I do, I feel great, I feel young, healthy all that stuff, but you know, 45 and then

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I also got Pastor James sending me messages like hey old man, you're going to start feeling like the creaks in your joints get ready for the pains that's coming from someone who's 450 years old

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I know, but he makes sure that I know I'll let you guys all hear the last message

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Pastor James I mean this guy, this is the same guy that is older than all of the sourdough strands we're talking about true that tie everything together ok he says this is

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Pastor James birthday love to me hope you had a great birthday old man just think how soon you'll be 50, a full half century old, ever nearer to the grave, isn't it great that was his message to me, happy birthday

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Jeff you're going to die that's a very reformed birthday wish he loves me and that was his loving birthday gift to me he's like, you're almost dead isn't that great alright guys that's all

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I got P .S. if you didn't hear, Pastor James and I are doing a public debate on April 1st at the University of Utah with two atheists on does morality depend upon God that's happening

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April 1st in Salt Lake City did you guys pick that date on purpose? I didn't, I think Jason did Jason set it up alright guys we'll catch you next week don't forget to sign up for all access at ApologiaStudios .com