June 28, 2017 Show with Bill Shishko on “The Pastoral Theology Project”

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Wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this 28th of June 2017 and I'm so delighted to have back in the program or on the program. I should say One of my favorite guests one of my dearest friends one of my most Enthusiastic supporters of iron sharpens iron radio ever since it first launched in late 2005 2006.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio. Bill Shishko director of Reformation, New York Reformation Metro, New York. Hey, it's good to be with you too, brother.

And our friendship goes all the way back to the late.

1980s I.

Can still remember when you were a guest speaker at Calvary Baptist Church in Amityville, Long Island Which no longer existed as you know merged in to the First Baptist Church of America and became the grace Reform Baptist Church of Long Island, but I can remember in the late 80s at the invitation of Mike Gadosh My pastor who had baptized me not Too long or too many years previous to my meeting you it might have even been just a year or so.

I can remember you being one of the first conference speakers that we had or Visiting speakers that we had at that church and our friendship really took hold pretty quickly and it has lasted all these years.

Thank God. Well, well you were the pastor of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Franklin Square, Long Island, New York for many years and recently you've taken a taken on a new ministry Reformation Metro, New York and you're also host of the weekly live one-hour call-in talk show a visit to the pastor's study on WLIE Radio out on Long Island 540 a .m. On the dial which also reaches the tri-state area of New York during daylight hours and.

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Can be heard globally on the internet. But first of all before we go into our study or should I say our Go into our study Go into our topic at hand, which is going to be the pastoral theology project I want to have you explain in a little bit more detail to our listeners who are Just now discovering you for the first time.

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And again, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Well before We do anything else at the outset of this discussion.

I'd like to know what is the pastoral theology project on the one hand. And yet at the same time do it in a way that applied to get to that. Ended up being is in one week hours of eight to ten minute enable men to without taking a lot of time.

Is the pride for elders great? Well, we'll make sure that our listeners have all the information they need.

To learn more about that as the interview proceeds. But it probably be good now to start with an overview of pastoral theology from the Apostles to the present.

Pastoral Theology from the Apostles to the Present

Yeah, yeah, great. Grew up in. Is that turned? Theology go theology can end up. Emphasizing the so-called pride. Really much interrelationship. Our church history. Even apologetic. Third psalm and. It's interesting.

It is out. Not only his own life as that. They are to shepherd now. We have a.

Listener in the Mastic Beach, Long Island, New York who has a question that I think will help to Add to have add to how you have already set the stage here. But Tyler and Mastic Beach, Long Island, New York says is pastoral theology as a whole best summed up in the shepherding character of the shepherd of our souls the person and nature of God found in the incarnate person of Jesus.

It's got all the elements. I actually had the honor of interviewing him before he went home to the Lord. Yeah, excellent. And and that's honors that. Yeah, that's exactly it. And if amen. And I'm also honored that.

Before he went home to the Lord Thomas Odin wrote a very nice commendation for on a trip in Zion radio. So.

Fascinating. Thomas, I mean we could go on but but see Thomas Odin had earlier. Yeah. Life. Oh, yeah. Oh that amen. In fact my last.

Pastors luncheon. The publisher of his autobiography was generous enough to Give enough copies for each and every pastor in attendance of that autobiography that hardback.

Autobiography of Thomas Odin by. I knew I shouldn't have missed that that breakfast. I'm sorry. I said see what I miss. Yeah, I know. Well that teaches you a lesson.

In fact, I actually I actually want to speak to you about that off the air after the show's over because I may be planning another one that.

That I would love to have you participate in as a speaker. Great. All right, good. Great.

Well, guess what. Tyler in Mastic Beach, Long Island you have won the Westminster Confession a commentary By a a Hodge and this is a beautiful hardback commentary. Retailing for $26 and you're getting this for free.

Compliments of Banner of Truth. The United States headquarters of the Banner of Truth Trust is right down the block from me, I don't know about a less than a 10-minute walk from where I'm sitting and Pat Daly and the kind folks at the Banner of Truth wanted to bless our listeners today because they know that you pastor bill are.

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Thoroughly committed to the Westminster Confession, which is a very beautiful summary of biblical teaching. In fact if you could for the benefit of our friends at the Banner of Truth if you could give our listeners who are just totally unfamiliar with that term because I do have listeners from all different Religious stripes even Muslims on occasion listen.

So if you could let our listeners know what exactly the Westminster Confession of Faith is.

Following them John the shorter catechism and along with that a there's a Calvinistic Baptist that you're giving out a thoroughly confession of faith.

Well, I'm obviously. Since the confession of faith that I love the 1689 London Baptist Confession is nearly identical to the Westminster Confession I have no problem giving out the Westminster Confession.

And you know Chris, I read Charles Bridges post recently for which I wanted to shout like a Pentecostal when it came out. English Banner finally took a project a man great and.

Not to derail the the topic here. But a a Hodge just so our listeners know something about the one who wrote this commentary. He was a 19th century pastor preacher Missionary theologian educator churchman the firstborn son of Charles and Sarah Hodge.

Charles was the very first president of Princeton, wasn't it? She have a print and by the way, this is purely a providential occurrence.

Since I received the phone call, but about five minutes before you called I received a phone call from the great-great grandson of Charles Hodge Greg Hodge who has a a ministry a musical ministry a musical teaching ministry.

Called Princeton revival and I have had him on the program in the past and he is going to be on tour and we were. Having a conversation about that. So it's kind of a Providential occurrence that we're discussing a here.

Well, thank you Tyler and make sure we have your full mailing address. So we can get you that book as soon as possible that will actually be shipped out to you by our friends at Cumberland Valley Bible book service, which is right down the road from banner of truth here in Carlisle owned by Todd and Patty Jennings.

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Well, what could you tell us about? The pastoral ministry because there seems to be a lot of Confusion and debate over what that entails. What are the duties of a pastor? Sometimes? It's it's always a tragedy.

And a sad thing when I see on one end of the spectrum churches that treat their pastors like janitors and. And take him away from the the actual vital roles that he is called to do. And really diluting his time where it needs to be best spent.

But also you have on the other end of the spectrum you have pastors who are either celebrities or or or wannabe celebrities. And they act that way and you only see them behind a pulpit. Speaking on Sunday morning and perhaps Sunday night and then they disappear.

You never they're never to be heard from again until the following Sunday. So if you could what are the duties of a pastor?

And I say that for they don't believe the Bible but as a model for Christian and and here here some reason got a flowered in the 300s under Gregory of Nazianzus and John Chrysostom and get an author of the city of God and saw the great ship the Concept and their illnesses in dealing with them is and yet Jesus took well.

We've got to go to our first station right right now. We do have a number of people already waiting for your calls or should I say waiting to have their questions? Asked and answered by you. And if you would like to join them with a question of your own our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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The Duties of a Pastor and the Shape of Pastoral Ministry

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This is Chris Arnson if you just tuned us in. Our guest today for the full two hours with about 90 minutes to go is Bill shish go of Reformation Metro, New York and host of the weekly live one-hour call-and-talk show a visit to the pastor's study.

We are discussing the pastoral theology project if you'd like to join us on the air with a question for pastor bill. Our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com. Chris Arnson at gmail .com. And I usually don't give a full name for a listener, but because Whenever I hear from a pastor Who I am confident.

I Should plug the church where he serves as a shepherd or as an under shepherd. I like to give as much information as possible. This is also a very first-time Questioner to iron sharpens iron radio. I don't know if you know him pastor bill.

I do not know him But he's a first-time questioner. His name is pastor Ned Suffern of Redeemer Reformed Presbyterian Church in Queensbury, New York.

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He has two questions for you. Would pastor bill please give advice about how a distinctively reformed pato-baptist local congregation can maintain Its identity theologically while still connecting with believers in Christ who think differently about the sovereignty of God and salvation.

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And who believe differently about baptism? Well, here's a good example right now. Yes, he has a second question, but I'll let you address that one first.

No, that's fine. Go through it again. Chris at all. Sure. Would pastor bill, please give advice about how a.

Distinctively reformed Pato-baptist local congregation can maintain its identity theologically while still Connecting with believers in Christ who think differently about the sovereignty of God and salvation.

Obviously arminians and who believe differently about baptism aka people like me.

Have not liked the term and I don't happen. You like Oiko right Baptist Oiko. You've got it. You're learning your lesson. Well, John Owen yet take all of the learning that he. James White and James White and others.

It's really the Understanding and a high view that you dental tradition. We we when we had a lot of the Geneva's come to sing from Geneva College and there they would. That school holds two Exclusive psalm ity which we have showing our Catholicities a church I guess of a and we struggled with what term to use.

Evangelical biblical credible profession of faith. They met with the elders that to the Lord's Supper. That was our way of making a reformed and Presbyterian. We are Catholics.

In fact grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, Pennsylvania where I am a member they open the fence door when Presbyterians are visiting from other congregations and the fact that we have a lot of Presbyterians preach at Grace Baptist Church like Sinclair Ferguson and others and we have typically had announcements made by the elders that the Presbyterians in fellowship with us that they are welcome to the Lord's table if we happen to be having a celebration of the Lord's table that.

Yeah, I think I was how they And I may not have that kind of work are going to have to show that while they may not be out. Amen.

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Their I love their slogan where the Redeemer grows faith and builds his family in the foothills of the Adirondacks. Oh, yes, that's right. I'm sorry. Thank you. You reminded me before I went on to another questioner we have.

Do you have advice on reaching unbelieving parents whose children attend youth groups and other children's programs, that's interesting because we had a Listener ask a very similar question recently to another guest.

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Just get it. Well, that was his final question. And thanks again pastor Ned and by the way, I don't think I completed my My sentence about what you've won not only have you won the a a Hodge commentary and the Westminster Confession compliments of our friends at the banner of truth you've also won a free New American Standard Bible since you are a first-time questioner and we thank the publishers of the NASB for supplying these Bibles for us and Please keep listening to iron sharpens iron radio there in Queensborough Queensbury New York and and keep spreading the word about the program.

We hope to hear from you again with another question a pastor Ned and We have another listener from Ben Salem, Pennsylvania Jenny. She asks who is William Blakey and how has his teachings impacted you in your own ministry?

Century, it's a very base formed pastoral theology that was seasoned with. The kind of evangelicalism that really were a mean every healthily consideration of print that really endlessly after that where we had what we call the raw materials for either elder or deacon and We would we would either Read or we would speak with the man and say we want you to know serving as a deacon or an elder and we would Talk with him and always urge him to and desires the off.

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Our time will be lively Useful and I assure you never dull. Join us this Saturday at 12 noon Eastern Time for a visit to the pastor's study because Everyone needs a pastor. Welcome back.

This is Chris Orns and if you just tuned in our guest today for the full two hours with a little less than an hour. To go is my dear friend of many years going back to the 1980s a bill Shishko with Reformation Metro, New York and Host of the weekly live one-hour call-and-talk show a visit to the pastor's study heard globally via live streaming at wlie540am .com and also in the New York Tri-State area, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts and Rhode Island on 540 a .m.

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