July 22, 2019 Show with Mack Tomlinson on “The Brainerd Brothers & Early Colonial American Gospel Ministry to Unreached Groups”

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This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Monday on this 22nd day of July 2019, and I'm so thrilled to have back on the program one of my favorite guests to interview, who's also a financial supporter of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

We thank him and his church from the depths of our hearts for enabling us to keep on the air.

I'm speaking about Mack Tomlinson, who is an author, a conference speaker, and a pastor at Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas, and today we are going to be addressing the theme of a new book he is working on,

The Brainerd Brothers, An Early Colonial American Gospel Ministry to Unreached Groups, and we're also going to be talking about the

Fellowship Conference of New England in Portland, Maine, which is coming up very soon, another event that is sponsored by and orchestrated by Mack Tomlinson, who's also on the speaking roster at that event, but it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Pastor Mack Tomlinson.

Thanks, Chris. It's always a blessing to be with you. And let me give our listeners our email address right away in the event that they want to send in questions.

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As always, please give us at least your first name, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside of the

USA. Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal or private matter. And first, before we go into the theme of the

Brainerd Brothers, very significant figures in Christian history, tell our listeners, for those of them that are unfamiliar with you and Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas, let our listeners know about this congregation.

Well, we are a Reformed Baptistic church of about 20 years now in the heart of Denton, which is 30 miles north of Dallas -Fort

Worth, a university town of about 120 ,000 people. And so we are thankful that we serve

Christ here to preach the gospel and to build up believers and to strengthen

God's work in His kingdom here in North Texas. Praise God.

And if anybody wants to look up that information for Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas, the website is

ProvidenceDenton .org, Providence Denton, which is spelled D -E -N -T -O -N dot org.

And as I said, our theme today involves a book you are working on. I'm not sure how close to the finished product you are at the moment, but tell us who the

Brainerd Brothers were. Well, one of them has become very famous in American church history and history of missions,

David Brainerd, a legendary missionary among the colonial New England colonies.

And amongst Native American Indians. Yes, right. That was his whole life's work, short life among the

Native Americans. And he would have been forgotten had not Jonathan Edwards, his close friend, after David died, published the

Journal and Diary of David Brainerd, which became widely used for generations to just inspire missionaries and Christian leaders.

And so David is well known. John is the forgotten

Brainerd because nobody virtually knows anything of him. He was a no -brainer.

I'm only kidding. Sorry. Well, he was forgotten because he had one biography written by one of his descendants 100 years later.

It was not really kept in print, except perhaps in the library. So David was the famous one and John was the forgotten one, but they had an eternal link in the gospel in New England, or not really

New England even, further south, which we'll get into. Great. And we'll be getting more into the

Brainerd Brothers, obviously, since that is our theme. But I also want you, right off the bat, to mention something about the

Fellowship Conference New England, which is going to be held once again in Portland, Maine, at the

Deering Center Community Church in Portland. And tell us about those who will be speaking there.

And I know that your conference is unusual, unless something has changed about it, in that you don't have a central theme.

You let whatever is burdening the hearts and minds of the speakers, you let them basically choose any theme, even if they are disconnected from what the others are going to be presenting.

Obviously, united in the gospel of sovereign grace, but maybe disconnected as far as a specific theme.

Yeah, we never have chosen to have a theme, and it just seems to be the way the

Lord has led us these five or six years into the conference history. And so this year, a local

New England pastor, Nathan Pickowitz, from New Hampshire... Who's our guest tomorrow, by the way, is our guest tomorrow on Iron Troubadour.

Nathan is a wonderful preacher and pastor in New Hampshire, and he speaks every year, and he'll speak twice this year.

Pastor Anthony Mathenia, from Radford, Virginia, who pastors

Christ Church. He's also Paul Washer's pastor. Yes, well, that'd be a hard thing to be,

Pastor Paul Washer. But somebody's got to do it, so Anthony is capable.

He's a wonderful brother, former missionary himself, and he will be, for the first time in our conference, so he's ministered in New England before, and he's a wonderful pastor and great heart,

Anthony. And then one of our elders, Lee Dodd, will be preaching as well.

And he's going to be our guest on the show on the 31st of July. Yes. Lee is a wonderful preacher, an excellent theologian, and he's a real blessing for the four of us,

Nathan Pickowitz, Anthony Mathenia, Lee Dodd, and myself will be the speakers this year,

August 1st through the 3rd, which I could give a plug, actually, for next year, because some of your listeners might want to pencil this in on the calendar.

Next year, we have committed, in the 2020 Fellowship Conference New England, Jeffrey Thomas from Wales and Joel Beakey from Grand Rapids, Michigan, our honorary speakers.

So the heavyweights next year will hit New England, and it'll be a delight to have them there.

So if there's any listeners that can get away this year, there is a small registration fee, but you can show up and register at the door, so come and join us if your schedule allows

August 1st through the 3rd. Great, and the website to register is fellowshipconferencenewengland .com,

fellowshipconferencenewengland .com. Well now let's return to the main theme, the

Brainerd Brothers and Early Colonial American Gospel Ministry to Unreached Groups, and, well, you've already given us a little taste, a little peek into who the

Brainerd Brothers were, David being the much more well -known one, and John being the sadly forgotten one, largely forgotten.

What was the catalyst for you to write this book, because there have been biographies on especially

David Brenner in existence, and other books that have reflected on their lives to some extent, even if they were included in a larger work that contained the lives of multiple figures from history, but what was specifically the driving force, and what will be unique about this book on the

Brainerd Brothers? Well, what drove me was, first, anyone who's read the

Diary and Journal of David Brainerd, always in print by the Banner of True Trust, any

Christian who hasn't read the Diary and Journal of David Brainerd must get it and read it.

It's simply almost an unbelievable account of one man's courage to labor in hard conditions among the colonial

Indians of North America, and what God did there among one tribe.

So I always loved David Brainerd, but my wife and I, twelve years ago we were in Scotland for a month, well actually

Britain for a month, when I was at Edinburgh for a week, I pulled down a volume off of the library where I was staying,

The Life of John Brainerd, by Thomas Brainerd, and I said, well surely, maybe they were connected to David.

Sure enough, John, younger brother by two years of David, and I took it off the shelf and I read it that week in Edinburgh, and I was just floored of the account, here was a younger brother, same caliber of man, even

Jonathan Edwards said that about John, same caliber of man spiritually and as a leader as his older brother

David, but has been forgotten. And so,

I then wrote, within the next year I wrote an article for the Banner of Truth magazine called

The Forgotten Brainerd on John's life, and that article can be found online,

The Forgotten Brainerd. I always then said, the more

I talked to pastors or church historians, I saw that the story of John Brainerd and the rest of the story, as Paul Harvey would say, is missing among contemporary

Christians. Nobody knows about John, nobody knows what happened to David's Indian mission work, and so I said, this needs to be told, so I've been working on it for the last year, and I don't know when it will come out, but it's, anyone who loves mission work and the

Brainerd history and even the historical accounts of revival in the 18th century will find the story of John Brainerd inspiring and fascinating.

Praise God. And what can you tell us about the religious upbringing of these two brothers, if any, how they providentially came to be drawn to embrace the gospel and Jesus Christ and his inerrant word, and then how they came to be missionaries and evangelists?

Well, of course, they were born and lived during the bulk of the 18th century.

David was born in 1718, he died in 1747 at age 29. John was born two years later, 1720.

He lived 61 years until his death in 1781. The Brainerd family had a long history in Connecticut, that's where they were established after their ancestors, great -grandparents had immigrated.

And David and John were the sixth and seventh children of nine children, born and bred in Connecticut, a

Puritan stock. They were raised in church, and David had inspiration to become a minister.

He always wanted to, but he realized in the summer of 1739, when he was preparing to go to Yale, he came to see he wasn't a

Christian at all, that Christ wasn't real, that he had not been born of the

Holy Spirit. And so that summer of 1739, at age 21,

David was converted and saved and brought to Jesus Christ.

Two months later, he enrolled at Yale. And so he enters as a freshman in 1739, the largest ever yet class of Yale College.

It wasn't Yale University yet, Yale College, the largest class ever, and David's a freshman.

And it's such a tragedy. There may be people listening who know nothing about Yale as it began.

They may know nothing about the roots of Yale, which were so thoroughly biblical and rooted in the inerrant scriptures that they just know about the current -day

Yale, which is a liberal, leftist, predominantly apostate university slash seminary.

Although I can say that there are some wonderful graduates of Yale today who are ministering faithfully and preaching the true gospel in spite of the leftist education that they had to face.

But they also, ironically, are the primary place where Jonathan Edwards' works have been archived, and there are people who want to preserve faithfully what he actually wrote and taught and the legacy that he left, even though the current state of Yale is abysmal.

Right. Well, that's a great point, Chris. You know, many of those Ivy League schools and colleges, universities now,

Harvard, the oldest university in America, Yale, Princeton, Dartmouth, Brown, many of them were started as schools to train preachers of the gospel.

That was the reason they were founded. And so you're right, the evolution over the years has been into unbelief and liberalism and apostasy.

But in those days, if you were going to be a minister of the gospel in the

Presbyterian church, you had to go to Yale, Harvard, or a university in Europe.

You couldn't even be ordained in the Presbyterian church in colonial New England unless you went to Yale or Harvard, and so that's why

David went there. Two months after his conversion, he found himself at Yale, enrolled as a student.

You can interrupt me anytime, Chris, but David entered

Yale in the years where there were spiritual revivals occurring in those colonies.

George Whitefield had been through there, blazing the gospel. Jonathan Edwards was preaching in Northampton.

This would have been the 18th century. Yeah, right, 18th century. Edwards was preaching in Northampton, and true revivals were being poured out in those colonies, in those states, in various places.

And those revivals, the awakening preachers like Gilbert and William Tennant and Whitefield, they were preaching in those villages and towns, and the colleges were being greatly affected by movements of revival.

When that happened, there was always a division that would happen. The college staff or the college tutors, if they were anti -revival, they would oppose and criticize, and they would try to keep the revival flame from getting inroads among the students.

But the students were being greatly affected, and the Brainerd brothers were. They were pro -revival.

And so what led ultimately to the biggest event in David Brainerd's life ever, as a junior, leader of the class, one of the tutors, a

Mr. Whitsley, had led in prayer in the chapel.

And later, back in the room, David Brainerd made a comment to one of his classmates about the lack of spirituality in that tutor.

And I think Brainerd was quoted as saying, Mr. Whitsley has no more grace than this chair

I'm sitting on. Well, it was perhaps an accurate statement, but perhaps a little zealous and ungracious.

Someone's walking by the door, and they heard the statement. They reported it to someone.

A third party heard it, a lady, and she determines to find out what student is responsible.

She traces it to David Brainerd. He gets called before the trustees, and he's demanded by them to come before the whole university, student body, and all the faculty, and publicly apologize for a private comment.

Well, David Brainerd felt it was unjust that the punishment didn't match the crime, so to speak.

He said, I will apologize to Mr. Whitsley. I was wrong in what I said, but I don't think this is right.

But they wouldn't hear of it. The trustees expelled David Brainerd within a few days.

And as a junior, the leader of his class, he's out of Yale. He's gone.

And it became a public, shameful thing. Edwards and others in the colonies went to bat, so to speak, for David.

They appealed. They lobbied, but to no avail. And so Yale would not restore

David Brainerd back as a student. So suddenly he is a man without a country.

He can't be ordained now into the Presbyterian ministry because he's not going to be a

Yale graduate. He doesn't know what to do. So suddenly he goes home.

He's waiting, praying, wondering what he's supposed to do. Here he is, a man in his early 20s.

And then a group called the Society for the Promotion of Christian Knowledge, the

SPCK, based in Edinburgh, Scotland. They were a mission agency that supported missionaries and laborers in the colonies.

David Brainerd was recommended to the SPCK as a missionary, that he had the caliber, he had the character, he had the theological, solid mind.

And they approached him and they asked him, interviewed him, interviewed him, excuse me, and they approved him to go as their first missionary among the

Native American Indians in the colonies. So he did.

He was the hardest providence ever in his life, led to the greatest open door of what

God would do in the next three years. It went down in missionary history as one of the greatest works of God ever in America.

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Welcome back, this is Chris Arnzen. If you just tuned us in, our guest today for the full two hours with just about 90 minutes to go is my dear friend

Mack Tomlinson, a generous supporter financially of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, in addition to being a dear friend and a biblically solid pastor whom

I can recommend without hesitation. He's an author, conference speaker, and pastor at Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas, and today we are addressing the

Brainerd Brothers, an early colonial American gospel ministry to unreached groups.

Our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com, c -h -r -i -s -a -r -n -z -e -n at gmail .com.

And please, as always, give us your first name, at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the

USA. Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

Pastor Mack Tomlinson, you mentioned something earlier about the

Brainerd Brothers being in favor of revival. Now, that may seem like a bizarre statement because you would think any

Bible -believing Christian is going to be in favor of revival, but you and I also know that throughout history there have been true and false revivals

They have been sometimes distinguished with the phrases revival versus revivalism, the second being a caricature or a charade of what genuine revival is.

But if you could tell us exactly what you're talking about here in regard to the Brainerd Brothers being in favor of revival and what kind of opposition they faced having that view, and why anyone would be opposing the

Brainerd Brothers or disagreeing with them on revival. Yeah, well, it's a great question.

The 18th century was really marked by, you know, it's considered, obviously, the first great awakening in American history and the primary leaders being

Jonathan Edwards and George Whitefield. And when we talk about revival in the first great awakening, we're talking about the real deal, the genuine article, not revivalism of planned meetings and men trying to produce the work of the

Holy Spirit that's man -centered and counterfeit, but we're talking about an authentic movement of the

Holy Spirit that comes suddenly, and it comes surprisingly, normally through the

God -ordained means of preaching a biblical, doctrinal gospel.

And that's what those New England leaders did. And then, well, the colonial leaders, not just up in New England, but Edwards was in New England and Northampton, Massachusetts, others around.

They were preaching a doctrinal, clear, evangelistic gospel.

And so it was under that preaching, the Holy Spirit began to move and began to save people suddenly.

And so the Brainerds, the young Brainerd brothers, they heard that preaching.

They were affected by it and ultimately converted through it. So they were fans from the very beginning of the right view, pro -revival if you want to use the phrase, because they experienced the atmosphere of New England awakenings.

And they saw that Christ was the center of it and the glory of God was the result.

And they were huge supporters of the revival movements.

Chris, could I go back to something earlier that's important? Absolutely not. I'm only kidding.

Go ahead. This is really a remarkable history, and it's an amazing lesson.

The principle is the hardest thing that ever happened to David Brainerd, humanly speaking, was his expulsion from Yale.

Yale had been the legacy of the Brainerd family, and it was for 200 years, even after the descendants of the

Brainerds, many of them went to Yale. And John, as a freshman when

David was expelled, he had to endure four years of grief and being tempted to be bitter against the tutors and the staff that expelled his older brother, but he remained faithful.

He maintained a right heart. Well, after David's expulsion, the hardest thing he ever faced, one of the most amazing positives came out of it, and that is two

Yale graduates, Jonathan Dickinson, pastor of the Presbyterian Church in Elizabethtown, New Jersey, and Aaron Burr, pastor in Newark.

They were Yale graduates, and now they were distinguished leaders in the colonies.

They were so upset that David Brainerd was wrongly treated, too severely treated, that they took it on themselves to establish, as a result of Yale's wrong actions, they established the

College of New Jersey in October of 1746, which was later renamed, guess what?

Princeton College, directly as a result of the

Brainerd -Yale expulsion. And if our friends listening have never read the book

The Log College by Archibald Alexander, it's a marvelous book on this time period, but it also summarizes this story of David Brainerd.

Alexander said in there, and I quote, both of these men, Dickinson and Burr, were distinguished graduates of Yale, but just at this time, their minds probably experienced some alienation from their alma mater because of the harsh treatment of Mr.

Brainerd. And so Aaron Burr later declared, if it had not been for the treatment received by Mr.

Brainerd at Yale, New Jersey College, later renamed Princeton, would never have been erected.

So here's a little more of that history. The Presbyterians founded Princeton. The Baptists founded

Brown University. The Dutch Reform founded Rutgers. The Congregationalists founded

Dartmouth. And at the heart of some of these movements, there was an essential motivation component, at least in the founding of Princeton and Dartmouth, that David Brainerd, his example and his mission work, were a direct influence on the establishment of Princeton and Dartmouth.

So that's quite an amazing providence, how God uses things to bring about good in the future.

Amen. We have a listener question from your neck of the woods, actually.

Let's see here. I just had it in front of me. Let me try to find it again. We have Ryan from Providence Village, Texas.

What were some of your biggest takeaways from researching John Brainerd's life, and what has it taught you with regards to the

Christian life? Could you repeat the question quickly,

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Okay. Ryan in Providence Village, Texas asks, What were some of your biggest takeaways from researching

John Brainerd's life, and what has it taught you with regards to the

Christian life? That's a great question, Ryan.

And some of this actually, the last third of the program I'll probably speak to directly, but here's how

I would say it. David and John were very close as brothers. They were very close spiritually and in the gospel.

And even in those Yale years, they had it in their hearts to advance the kingdom of God.

They were courageous. They were single -minded. John was the same caliber man as David when you read his life.

It's just remarkable. He didn't become as famous, and he didn't see a significant revival poured out in his years the way

David did. But he stayed ten times longer than David. David was among the

Indians three years. John for over three decades, 34, 35 years.

And what stands out about their life is, think about this. Here are two men, young men, on horseback by themselves.

They ride from Connecticut to Long Island, New York.

Wow. Yeah, horseback. And they suffered loneliness, cold, riding into areas where they knew there were dangerous

Indian tribes. They didn't know if they were going to be friendly or murderous.

And so the courage that it took the Brainerds and others like them. John Elliott before them.

Thomas Mayhew before them. In the 17th century, they took the gospel to colonial

Indian groups. Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts.

And then even others, the Moravians did as well, established missions among the

Indians from New York. They were like a pietistic group, right? The Moravians somehow were a breakaways from Lutheranism, I believe, perhaps.

Yeah, and they weren't liberal in those days. They were not Calvinistic, Reformed in their theological views, but they were some of the greatest missionaries of all time.

In fact, John Wesley was led to Christ, was he not, when he was on a ship that was being tossed about in a dangerous storm, a violent storm, and he saw the faith and the confidence and the peace of mind of the

Moravians praying, I believe, and that was you. Yes, that's right. Well, the Moravians established missions among the

Native Americans in New York even before the 18th century when pioneer missionary

John Sargent in 1733 came to Stockbridge, which is the place later

Jonathan Edwards, when he was expelled from his church in Northampton, Edwards went to Stockbridge to be the missionary pastor where John Sargent had served.

So there was this long legacy of these courageous young men, John Sargent, Mayhew, John Elliott, who had pioneered the way and the

Brainerds were cut out of the same cloth. They had a solid theology.

They had a courageous heart. They were men among men and they took the gospel in those hard areas.

It was a, as David Brainerd called it, a waste howling wilderness. It was very raw.

David Brainerd built a log cabin by himself each year in those three

Indian missions so he'd have a place protected from the elements, so he'd have a place that was more quiet to pray.

So John Brainerd, he was cut out of the same cloth, amazingly courageous, enduring.

I mean, think of riding your horse in the winter in the colonies. David Brainerd rode his horse 6 ,000 miles in those three years among the

Indians because he was basically an itinerant evangelist and missionary among the

Indians on Long Island and then down to the forks of the

Delaware, the Delaware Indians, near present -day Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, and then the third mission between Princeton and Philadelphia in a place that was called

Cross Weekson, New Jersey. Well, I can begin to talk about...

Well, before you switch subjects, I want... Being a native Long Islander, I'm utterly fascinated by this because I had never heard before David Brainerd's travels to Long Island.

Do you happen to know from your research what areas of Long Island he visited and evangelized?

Well, there was a place, I don't know if it still has the same name, Kaunameek, K -A -U -N -A -M -E -E -K.

That may exist out in eastern Suffolk because there are a number of Native American Indian names for towns out in the eastern

Suffolk area, some of which I discover periodically for the first time, but I am not familiar with that name of that town.

Yeah, well, that's where he started. The SBCK, Society for the

Promotion of Christian Knowledge, commissioned David Brainerd to go to Long Island first.

Now, what is the SBCK? Society for the Promotion of Christian Knowledge out of Edinburgh, Scotland.

Wow. Go ahead. I know of a Native American Presbyterian church that still exists in eastern

Suffolk County. I believe in one of the Hamptons, but I'm not sure if it's still biblically faithful.

I'll have to do some research on that, but I'm wondering if it has something to do with Brainerd's evangelism out there.

Well, David went to Long Island. He was there one year, 1743 to 1744, to establish a work among the

Indians, and then he was established and he went to another town the next year, another area, and then the third year he went to another area.

I'll get to those in a minute. But he would go in among the

Indian tribes, and God gave him favor because they welcomed him.

They often did not like white men, especially the white businessmen who would try to use them or cheat them or steal from them, and it happened all the time to the

Native American tribes in those various colonies. But David went to Long Island for that year.

He honestly didn't see much success. He was able to teach many of them.

We would be talking about sometimes groups of 50 Indians, 75, and they would come from 20, 25, or 40 miles away.

He taught them for a year, and he began to teach them things about gardening, about crops.

He even purchased the colonial sewing machines to give to some of the women, and they were able to learn to sew for themselves and to benefit the whole tribe.

Wow. So, yeah, it's an amazing story. These things would be in the diary and journal of David Brainerd published by Banner of Truth, because the journal gives an account of the work.

His diary is his more intimate meditations and prayers.

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It includes both, diary and journal. Okay. Banner of Truth. Great. Well, we are going now to our elongated break.

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The first we already mentioned today, this is Fellowship Conference New England, which is hosted and orchestrated by my guest today,

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Pastor Anthony Matheny of Christ Church in Radford, Virginia, is on the roster.

Pastor Lee Dodd, who is going to be my guest on July 31st, that's

Wednesday, July 31st, on IRONSHARPENSIREN Radio, he is on the roster as well.

Pastor Nate Pickowitz, who is going to be my guest tomorrow, that's Tuesday, July 23rd, from 4 to 6 p .m.,

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Dr. Tony Costa, Professor of Apologetics and Islam at Toronto Baptist Seminary. That is being held

August 2nd through the 4th at, as I said, the Church at Friendship in Hockley, Texas.

So, if you would like to attend this conference, go to their website, churchatfriendship .org,

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The themes will be the meaninglessness of life without God, the authority and inerrancy of Scripture, the

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Then, I'm going to be coming up in December, on Thursday and Friday, December 19th and 20th,

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The Foundations Conference is always a wonderful conference. This is for men in ministry leadership, by the way, and they have a very limited seating capacity there, so please try to register as quickly as possible.

The speakers include Dr. Stephen J. Lawson, the president of One Passion Ministries, Paul Washer, who happens to be a personal friend of my guest today,

Mack Tomlinson, what a phenomenal preacher he is, Reverend Jeff Thomas, who we heard before mentioned by Mack Tomlinson, who's going to be speaking at Mack's New England conference next year, but Reverend Jeff Thomas will be in New York City at the

Foundations Conference, and I will be there with bated breath, waiting to hear him preach.

But Reverend Armand Tomasian, who I think is going to be a household name amongst Reformed Christians over the next decade, he is an extraordinary preacher and teacher with gifts and abilities far beyond his youth.

He is a young pastor, but you will never guess, listening to him, how young he is if you were just listening to an audio and not seeing him, because he obviously looks very young, but he is just remarkable.

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Thursday, January 16th, through Saturday, January 18th, I am packing up my bags again and heading down south to Atlanta, Georgia, more specifically

College Park, Georgia, a suburb of Atlanta, to the Georgia International Convention Center for the 2020

G3 Conference. G3 stands for Gospel, Grace, and Glory, if you are wondering, and the

G3 Conference always has an absolutely remarkable lineup as well. The speakers include

Kosti Hinn, and believe it or not, he is the nephew of the notorious heretic and charlatan

Benny Hinn. Kosti Hinn has renounced and repented of the word -of -faith heresies of his youth and has publicly exposed, whenever he is given the opportunity, his uncle and all who are like him in the word -of -faith movement.

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Kosti is a Reformed Baptist pastor and a cessationist in California. You must hear this brother preach.

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My friend, Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries, a dear friend since 1995, he is preaching there as well or speaking at the

G3 Conference. Jeremy Volo, a very dear friend of mine, a former San Antonio Scorpion soccer player who is now a

Reformed Baptist pastor in Laredo, Texas. Joel Beeky, we also heard him mentioned before, who is going to be on the roster at next year's

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Phil Johnson, the Executive Director of John MacArthur's Ministry, grace to you. We have

Stephen J. Nichols, the president of the Reformation Bible College in Sanford, Florida, which was founded by the late

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We have a question from Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania. Mac, and she asks,

What would make David and his brother John Brainerd stand out amongst great

Christian heroes of the past that may make them unique in the vast list of men of God that God has granted to the church that we can all be blessed by and edified by?

Well, that's a great question. And, of course, it's hard to span the history of great missionaries and compare them all.

You really shouldn't compare them, I guess. God raises them up for their own generation. But I guess what stands out about the

Brainerds was that they were solitary men.

They didn't go with a team. It was a day that missionaries didn't go as teams.

They would often go alone. And, of course, missions was a lot more unorganized then.

That was before the day of the modern missions movement when mission agencies sprang up.

The SBCK in Edinburgh, Society for the Promotion of Christian Knowledge in Edinburgh, was one of the very earliest mission agencies that supported evangelism and gospel advance in places.

So David Brainerd went by himself on horseback, commissioned by the

SBCK. And so what stands alone is just the courage it would take for a man or a couple in those centuries when things were so vast and unsettled and dangerous.

He had unusual commitment to take the gospel. David Brainerd had a remarkable prayer life, a remarkable burden.

He would pray for hours in tears and face the most unbelievable hardships.

I mean, he would have to spend the night in the forest on his way somewhere, and all he had was his coat, perhaps a bear skin, and sleep on the ground.

Just he and his horse were there. And wolves around howling.

So the courage, the loneliness, and it's all more remarkable because David Brainerd suffered from his youth from tuberculosis and chronic depression.

In those days it was called melancholy, but it was chronic depression. And so you read his diary and journal, and by the way, it is titled

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You read his... I would just urge every reader, every listener, if you have not read this book, go to Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, their website, or ask

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You simply cannot imagine what's in store for you when you read the life of this courageous, passionate, young New England Puritan who had such a passion to take the gospel to unreached groups.

And now, and especially for him, it became the Indians, the colonial Indians, that in his weakened state of vomiting up blood, high fevers, bodily weakness, it made him be prostrated in bed sometimes for days.

Every day among the Indians, when he could, he was teaching and preaching every day.

He was going house to house to the Indians or, you know, they didn't have homes at first.

It was teepees or the primitive type of Indian huts. House to house he would go with an interpreter who could speak the local dialect and understood

English. And he would teach them, catechize them. And then he would hold services.

And he would pray in the evenings, crying out to God to move.

So just the solitary, heroic example that David showed for those brief years and then his brother showed for over three decades, is inspiring.

It's just beyond imagination until you read the book and then you see what kind of men they were.

29. Yeah. He lived until he was 61.

It was, yes. If I can kind of summarize the three -year mission work of David and then

John inherited. Yes. David, I mentioned the first one in Long Island.

He was there one year, 1743 to 44. And not much happened there. Not evidence of hardly any convergence.

He was discouraged. He felt like he was a failure. But he did accomplish good things in those

Indians hearing the gospel and converts resulted later. But that year, 1743, he heard of Indians who were living at a place known as the

Forks of the Delaware, Delaware Indians, near present -day Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

So having established a mission in Long Island, he got permission from the

SPCK in Edinburgh to go establish a mission at the

Forks of the Delaware in Pennsylvania. Now, if you think of riding your horse from Long Island, New York, to Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, that's a drive in a car.

It takes a little while. But to ride your horse was, it was a long ways.

And yet he did it. So he established a mission among the

Indians at the Forks of the Delaware in Pennsylvania. Again, not much happened. But he was teaching and preaching daily.

He taught them social skills, life skills. And when he needed to, if he had the resources, which he never had enough, he provided for families.

David Brainerd's diet was normally boiled corn or corn cakes, stale or molded bread, and water.

He had meat when he could kill it or when the Indians would share with him. And at times he had to ride 15 to 20 miles on his horse round trip to get bread.

So he was there at the Forks of the Delaware, 1744 to 45, establishing a work that would last for a while after he passed.

But again, he didn't see God doing anything extraordinary there. Not many conversions at all.

He was discouraged. Well, in 1744, he heard of some

Indians at a place called Cross Weekson, C -R -O -S -S -W -E -E -K -S -U -N -G, one word,

Cross Weekson, New Jersey. It's a location between present -day Philadelphia and Princeton.

And so he had permission to go there and establish a third Indian mission. And he was there one year, his final year, 1745 to 1746, his last year of his final two years of life.

But something different and amazing and magnificent happened at Cross Weekson that did not happen in the first two

Indian missions. From the first weeks he was there, as he began to teach and preach the gospel, the diary records and others recorded that the power of God seemed to descend upon the assembly of Indians.

In David's words, with astonishing energy, and he stood and watched at the amazing influence that seized the people.

Now these were pagan Indians who knew nothing. Worshipers of ancestor spirits, worship of animals, demon ceremonies into the night.

These Indians were absolute pagans. And the gospel came suddenly like the day of Pentecost.

Some historians have inferred that this surprising movement of the Holy Spirit among these

Indians was one of the greatest displays of divine power in church history. Even if that's an exaggeration, there's no question that it came in such power that Brainerd, who happened to be very discouraged at the time, he didn't foresee it coming, but suddenly the

Indian people were experiencing deep conviction with tears, and Christ began to save many of them in the trial.

It was David... Well, Thomas Brainerd, a hundred years later after John, who wrote

John's first biography, wrote this about the movement in August of 1745 among the

New Jersey Indians. Thomas Brainerd said, David Brainerd found all these

Indians wild, roaming, reckless savages. They have now, many of them, been transformed by God's truth and the

Spirit into humble and earnest Christian men and women. In the brief period of their

Christian life, they had the most intelligent, patient, and faithful instruction.

Their progress in Christian knowledge and grace has been wonderful, so much so that their holy and consistent lives, in the opinion of some, puts to shame their white brethren in other churches around.

So, this was a significant work of God among the New Jersey Indians, and it really is what made

Brainerd's work among the Indians famous. If that hadn't happened, his work would have been forgotten, and even with it happening, it would have been forgotten had not

Edwards published the Tyrian Journal. Wow. We have a question from John in Bangor, Maine.

By the way, John, I hope that you attend the Fellowship Conference New England this

August, 1st through the 3rd, at the Deering Center Community Church in Portland, Maine.

By the way, Mac, do you know how far Portland is from Bangor? It's at least two hours.

Bangor's north two hours, probably. Okay, well, it's still worth the trip. Right on the same interstate, though.

Easy to get to. Well, John asks, did David Brainerd become familiar with the

Native Indian languages in order to evangelize them, or were the

Native Americans who had this revival occur in their midst able to understand

English? I think the answer to both is probably no. Really?

Both of them? Well, I'm not sure, but here's the way it played out in the three years

David was among the Indians. He always used the Native American who had learned

English enough to understand it. And the first Indian group in Long Island had a different Indian dialect than the group in Pennsylvania or the group in New Jersey.

So at each station, each mission station, David was dealing with a different Indian language.

And each year he probably learned some basic conversation words with the Indians he was with, but he never learned to preach in it.

And the Indian translators who knew enough English, they were his preachers who interpreted his sermons when he preached.

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Brainerd brothers. Well, just their example of single -mindedness.

They weren't out to gain a name or reputation or be anybody, but God used them to reach

Indians and the colonies. The Native Americans of the

Northeast in the 18th century and afterward owe more to the

Brainerds and other men like them who came and took the gospel there and lived for those

Indians, loved them, served them, and transformed those communities. A great debt is owed to the

Brainerd legacy. And their example of courage and vision and risk -taking for the gospel is more needed ever today.

The way the culture is going, the way there's windows are closing in China and other countries to advance the gospel, now is the time to strike while the iron's hot and to serve

Christ and to pray for missionaries we know of and love.

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We have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania, who wants to know, were the

Brainerd brothers ever threatened with physical violence by the very

Native American Indians that they were evangelizing? Yeah, at different times they faced that.

Drunken Indians, when they would first come into an area, they would be threatened. They could be in danger.

Other Indians, even unregenerate ones, would intervene to spare their lives.

Yeah, they were in dangers consistently and if you read, if anyone would read

William Marsden's large biography on Jonathan Edwards, I think

I made his first name wrong, Dr. Marsden, who wrote a scholarly biography on Edwards, he brings it out wonderfully that Northampton, where Jonathan Edwards lived, they were always in danger any day of Indian attacks and so it was an atmosphere where your life could end any moment and David and John Brainerd lived that every day they were among the

Indians. We have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York.

He says, don't you think it adds to the authenticity of the Native Americans' conversion to Christianity that they were embracing a faith that they conceived was the religion of their enemies because of the harsh treatment that the white man had unfortunately been guilty of in regard to the

Native Americans? That's absolutely true. The Indian tribes had a great prejudice against white people because of mistreatment.

They would steal their lands over and over, they would mistreat them and they had a strong prejudice and even a hatred and it speaks to the life and the character, the humility of John Brainerd and David Brainerd that they could win their trust in those years and the

Indians loved those men as their own pastors deeply.

It was a revolutionary thing to see happen because of the gospel. Amen. We have

Christopher in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania who says, isn't it a tragedy that many people think that you are more loving if you keep your religion to yourself rather than try to evangelize those outside of your faith in hopes that they abandon their religion and embrace yours?

It is amazing to me how horrible that even professing

Christians think this way not only about the Jews but about many other people of other religions.

I think this is a great lesson to be learned from the Brainerd brothers that they sought with the risk of their own life to bring the gospel to the

Native Americans who had obviously pagan and false religions. Yes.

Do I have 30 seconds for another comment? Yes, you do. You know, there are social studies...

There are students of social cultures who really criticize

Christianity for taking the gospel to groups that have never heard it to try to, quote, change them.

But here is what Thomas Brainerd wrote 150 years after David Brainerd's work.

Under this power of God at Cross Weekson, savages became civilized, murderers abandoned killing, drunkards were changed, adulterers became morally upright, marriages were solemnized, families organized, family altars established, homes were built, farms cleared and cultivated, schools formed, the

Sabbath was honored, and the public worship of God attended. That's what

David and John Brainerd produced among Indian savages in the colonies.

Amen. Well, how can our listeners, when this book is complete, purchase this new book that you are in the process of writing?

I have no idea. Well, I'm assuming Solid Ground Christian Books is going to carry it.

Well, probably, yeah. There's two or three publishers interested in it. But, you know...

Even if Solid Ground doesn't publish it, I'm sure they will carry it knowing of the friendship. Yeah, they'll carry it. So, I guess...

I guess, in the months ahead, Chris Arnson could announce it on Iron Sharpens Iron.

Who knows? Amen. And you can email me at chrisarnson at gmail .com chrisarnson at gmail .com to find out where you can get a copy of the

Brainerd Brothers and Early Colonial American Gospel Ministry to Unreached Groups.

Thank you so much, Pastor Mac Tomlinson, for being my guest again. I look forward to your return to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

Please, listeners, don't forget tomorrow Nathan Pickowitz is going to be our guest to discuss the upcoming

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That's tomorrow on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Tuesday the 23rd of July. And I just want to thank everybody who took the time to write in questions today.

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