Erupted in the dominant way that it has existed, this social warrior feud, if you will, going on, there was a lily -white church on Long Island that was without a pastor and they asked for my help to help them find one, to assist in the pastoral search, and my immediate thought was to give a call to my friend who is black, Eric Redmond, to candidate for that position, and his race had nothing to do with my decision, although the only partial way that it may have been involved in that, as an afterthought, wasn't my initial reason, but I thought to myself that this would also perhaps be used of God to bring more people of color into that congregation, because it's always, I think, a good thing when the local church reflects as much as possible the body of Christ at large, those who are called out from every tribe and tongue and people and nation and so on, whenever we can have that as a picture to the community around us as the power of the gospel and how it unites men of all different backgrounds, I think that's a good thing, especially if you're in an area where it is very ethnically and racially diverse, but that's an example of, at least in that thought that I had, and I don't think that Eric, I think Eric was too busy or something, he didn't actually candidate for them, but the fact that I thought of him by the sheer virtue of his merits, his abilities, his godliness, his outstanding character, the fact that he has blown me away whenever I've heard him preached, such a powerful preacher of the gospel, those were my motivating factors.