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You start with the immediate context of what it's saying because that's where it's giving the definition of the words, the terms, things like that.

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Then you branch out to, you want to go chapter, you can do chapter, but chapter breaks are not inspired, neither are verse breaks, but you break out from that.

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So you want, if you have something that is a section where you are starting to, as we are looking at, you have something that is supporting, well, you're going to start with, well, what's this supporting?

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That's the immediate context that right there in that part. So you're going to use that because we're in the sentence structure may end up helping us to see how a word is used, what it's emphasizing, what's it supporting, is it being used as an illustration or as a literal, things like that.

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Then you branch out and work your way out to a book. You can end up then going, if you're looking at specifically a word, you're going to then want to look at how that word is used by the same author, because the author may not use the word the same way.

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You then can break out into how the word is used elsewhere in scripture. But just because a word is used several times, one way by many writers of scripture doesn't mean it's being used the same way every time.

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And so that's why the immediate context is so important. This is

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Apologetics Live, to answer your questions, your host, from Striving for Eternity Ministries, Andrew Rappaport.

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We are live, Apologetics Live, here to answer your most challenging questions about God and the

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Bible. We can answer any question that you have about God and the

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Bible. We do it every week. You come in, you give us some challenging question, and I go, I don't know.

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Because I don't know is a perfectly good answer. I'm your host, Andrew Rappaport, from Striving for Eternity.

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I'm going to bring in my co -host here, who is only with us for about 45 minutes, Mr. Drew Vonita.

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Howdy. Howdy, howdy. That seems to be my favorite answer to any

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Bible question is, I don't know. And it gets me out of, like, especially like on Twitter, like,

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I don't know. Oh, that's OK. You're right. Yeah. I don't know. Hey, well, speaking of Twitter, it's the ex -Twitter.

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Yeah. You know, that's what happens when you leave Twitter, right, your ex -Twitter. Supposedly, people on Twitter that respond, did

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I just see a little child run past you? Wow. And trying to see how fast he or she could go.

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Well, we only have voice for now. Yeah. But he's very fast.

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Yeah. So supposedly now, they've made some changes and we will be able to supposedly put up comments that are put on Twitter.

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So if you're watching us on Twitter, we now, StreamYard should have that where we would be able to see those.

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OK. All right. Now, we only have Drew for 45 minutes. We're going to change things up. We are going to,

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I was planning on triggering Drew and making him stick around for longer and see, but he's got something he actually has to go do.

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So we're going to postpone the In the News section. I'm just going to let

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Drew know, so he knows what he's missing. We're going to talk about, in the

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In the News section, there's, I don't know if any of you guys heard, there's this big, big, huge news that the, you know,

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I've seen pilot client list has been released. Well, no, not really. I'm going to tell you why the client list will never be released.

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It may not be what you're thinking, but it's very simple to know what really is going on there.

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OK, I'm just going to lay the facts out. I'll let you come to your own conclusions.

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You'll know the real reasons by the end of the show, because we'll end with that. You know, which, you know, we also may not be able to, you know,

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Drew will have to listen later to find out how a woman could be raped in the metaverse.

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Yes, that's a real case before court. Yep. We will talk about that.

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Those are two things I had for the in the news section, but we're going to wait on those. So Mr.

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Hunhold is saying chat is active on Twitter for streaming. Supposedly, I got a message saying that now

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StreamYard is working with X so that they would be able to we'd be able to see the comments from there.

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We usually see the ones on some Facebook Facebook pages, I think it is. But YouTube is the one that seems to work the best.

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But if you want to join us and ask us some difficult questions, you can go to apologetics live dot com.

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You just scroll down to the little duck icon. That's the the StreamYard icon and click on the duck and give your permissions, of course, to the browser to use your microphone and camera and join us.

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And Jason Cave says, how about them dogs, brother Drew? That's right. So now let me explain here,

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Andrew, because you don't understand this. I didn't know you have a dog. I do, but he stays way back in in the backyard.

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The Georgia Bulldogs won the Orange Bowl against Florida State University, and they didn't just win.

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They demolished. Oh, you mean like Trump won in 2020 demolished, but so they know sort of, but not the same.

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Yes, sort of, but not the same. So the Bulldogs won sixty three sixty three to three.

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And it's actually a football game. Yes, yes. So it wasn't like basketball where you get like sixty three points scored.

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Wow. And this is it's making all the Georgia people upset. You get like 70 or seven points, right?

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If you score a touchdown and you get six points for a touchdown and an extra seven points, right, make seven points.

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Yeah. So they did like almost nine. Wow, that's a lot.

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It is. It is. That's embarrassing. Yeah. And but the thing is, is it's making a lot of Georgia people upset because we had the best record in NCAA, but we don't get to play for the national championship.

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And that has to do with all the politics and the NCAA. And so now we being the best team don't get to play for the national championship.

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And we have to watch all the other teams that are not as good as us play.

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Well, I mean, since you're talking about dogs, Eric Mancini is saying that Frank Mullis has cat calendars.

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So I guess that takes some explanation on who Eric and Frank are. So many folks here know

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Frank Mullis because Frank Mullis was one of our speakers at Striving for Eternity. Eric Mancini is his nemesis.

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And he's not only a nemesis, but a nemesis with a cat. That's basically what it is. And so, yeah, actually, speaking of nemesis, look who we have here.

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It's Mr. Honnold's himself, the nemesis. There we go. You know, I know why he's actually here.

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Why is that? Because he's afraid we're going to steal all his material for Voice of Reason radio, and he wants to come in and make sure that he can claim that he was the originator of what we're going to talk about tonight.

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And so when he says it on his show, he says, well, I was on Apologetics Live, but I had it first. All right. He brought all his show notes because,

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Drew, you and I both know that he comes with show notes to his show, right? That's true.

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Yes, yes, yes. So welcome, Chris. Let me just say. Now, the reason this show came about is

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Andrew called me the other night and we were on the phone talking about it. And I said, well, hey, why don't we do this?

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Because it's a big thing in the Twitterverse right now. And there's some backlash from supposed

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Christians about this very topic, which is kind of odd. OK, so they talk about the topic and then

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I'm going to talk about what I called you about as well, because we should start with that, too. So and I didn't know about this.

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I'm not on and it's not the Twitterverse, it's the Xverse. I mean, come on, get up with the Times. I mean, so you were telling me how in the

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Xverse there is a whole bunch of brouhaha about the fact that there are there's a calendar of conservative

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Christian women in bikinis. I will admit I know nothing of it. I didn't see the calendar.

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I don't plan to see the calendar. So I don't need to know much details about the calendar to talk about the topic of modesty.

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OK, so for the record, I leave the looking at the immodest women to Drew. Well, you're the one that knows all about the calendar.

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I knew nothing. Just because I know about it doesn't mean I've seen it. Which, by the way,

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I have not seen it. All right. So here's the thing. Here's what

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I called you. And I want to let folks know what we plan to do, not every single week on Apologetics Live, but probably many of them this year.

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I'm going to have you guys help me with some of my debate prep for my debate with Michael Brown on the charismatic gifts.

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There is a show now I will I will say I have yet to listen to episodes from them, but I've downloaded about 60 or 70 episodes to start listening to.

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And we're going to review them here throughout the year. It's a show called Remnant Radio or The Remnant Radio.

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They're charismatics, from what I gathered. Why? Why are we going to review? Well, one of the things is, is they claimed, as was shared to me, these clips that they are willing to debate the issue of the continuation of gifts with anyone that's willing to debate them.

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And I said, hi, here I am. And you know what?

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You know what I got back? Crickets. That's right. Crickets. Someone who challenged me told me how

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I'm a coward. I'm not willing to debate them. I said,

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I've offered the debate. I contacted their them through their their page and, you know, the

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YouTube and I haven't heard anything. Other people tagged me and said, Andrew's willing to debate you.

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I haven't heard anything. Now, for the record, I am a coward. I'm afraid of these guys.

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Granted, I don't know who they are. They may be very good at debates. I am such a coward, Drew, that I was

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I'm willing to debate a guy who has what, like 100 formal debates.

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Michael Brown. Yeah, at least Michael Brown is man enough to take the debate.

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Don't say you're willing to debate and then run from it and say everyone else is being the coward. OK, when do the terms.

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Andrew run or Andrew coward or Andrew afraid of debate, do those words ever seem to go together?

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My my rule of thumb is that why am I getting echo? My rule of thumb has been where angels fear to tread.

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Andrew goes. Yeah, I mean, so so what we're going to do is since since they won't debate me, then what we're going to do is we're going to take clips from their show and interact with them.

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And so that'll actually help me in my prep for the debate with Michael Brown, which means hopefully there's going to be some folks that believe in the continuation of gifts that you're going to reach out, come on the show, and we're going to have good dialogues.

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And that way we could discuss these things. And and hey, the worst is that the arguments that Michael and I make are going to be much better and it'll be a much better product for the

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Christian community. That's one of the things I will say before we get into the topic tonight. I was really glad about when

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I did talk to Michael Brown about the debate, the fact that he he and I both had a strong view that we were getting some getting some echo from Chris, I think.

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Yeah. Yeah, I muted you so you can unmute when you figure out your your tech.

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So both Michael and I were very committed to producing good content, to have a debate that doesn't have name calling, isn't doing all that, but being able to have something that will be useful for the body of Christ.

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Facebook user says, y 'all got Buddy the Elf on. Now, I would like to say that that must be

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Haps Addison, because, you know, Haps is always the one that likes to be Facebook user.

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But he's he decided a good time to do the passing the torch classes would be during apologetics live.

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Haps, what in the world, man? So I responded as he said, hey, we're going to start classes.

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And I'm like, yeah, well, it'll be real interesting when I have to teach the classes. And I'm here just saying, you know, you know what

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I notice is in oh, it's Pastor Darin, Pastor Darin Stid.

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Oh, OK. In Chris's brand new office setup, he doesn't have any of his

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Buddy the Elf memorabilia, but I bet he's got some Ultraman all over the place.

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I bet he's got it stashed somewhere. He's got no, no, no, no. He has he has Buddy the Elf Cup hidden up and above.

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See, see, he's pointing to it. All right. So let's let's talk about this calendar stuff and then we'll get to the in the news section afterwards to talk about some stuff that that came up there.

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So I'm not I look, I didn't know about the calendars until you mentioned it, the this is not new to me.

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I mean, I'm not surprised, I should say. I mean, it's like this is this is yet again, probably someone who is at least a professing

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Christian looking to act like the world, meaning, hey, a great way to make money.

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Everyone else does calendars. Everyone else has girls in bikini calendars. Let's do one with Christians.

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The fact that as you shared with me some some of the stuff and seeing that there's people professing

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Christians, professing conservative Christians that are saying, hey, it's not a big deal.

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That's actually kind of concerning. And the reason is twofold. One, that gets me is one, it says that the

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Christian community probably has been so influenced by the world that girls in bikinis are probably not a big deal to them anymore.

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Right. OK, I think, you know, and it's not just and Chris, you're very active on on X as well.

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So it's not just there now that he's retired, he's retired.

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That's but it's not just professing Christians saying it's not a big deal.

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It's professing Christians actually going on the attack and fighting for it.

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That's what makes it even more concerning, because it's one thing to just brush it off and say, oh, it's not a big deal. It's another thing to say, it's not a big deal, but we have to have this or we must have this or I'm going to fight for this.

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And the thing is, is like so now I don't know if all of the the women on there are professing

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Christians. I know Riley Gaines, the Olympic swimmer, I think she was an Olympic swimmer. I don't know.

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But we all know she's very active in the CRTs trance type stuff. Yeah, she was a collegiate swimmer.

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She's on there. And I know she's a professing believer. And so it's one of those things.

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Let's let's stop you there, because this is what you and I talked about. Right. Right. Now, she's a swimmer.

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Is it unusual for her to be in a bathing suit? It's not unusual for her to be in a bathing suit.

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No, when she's doing comfortable in a bathing suit, because that's where she's going to be photographed in bathing suits.

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Right. Now, it's one thing to be to in your sport, have to wear that in your sport.

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Right. Because something like swimming or running, the goal is to wear as little as possible or as skin tight as possible so that you have less drag.

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Right. It creates less drag so that you can move faster. It's another thing to voluntarily pose in as little as possible for the sole purpose of marketing yourself or marketing something to men.

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Yeah. So the question is, is and this was the question when you mentioned her that I asked you is, was she in a bikini?

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Right. Because that then is different. She's not wearing a bikini when she goes to swim for her sport.

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Right. Now, I think she's on the cover. Because that's the picture that's going around is the cover of the of the the calendar.

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I think she's on the cover. I'm not sure if that's her or not. But yes, from what

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I understand, all the women that are featured in there in this conservative and of course we go, well, what are we conserving?

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They are featured, all featured in bikinis. Well, I think that's the real headache in all of this, is that what does conservative mean?

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Because once upon a time and I wrote something that I threw both on Twitter and on the blog, is that once upon a time, you know, the conservative political machine recognized there was something objective about morality and that fed into the belief system about why we wanted smaller government, why freedom and liberty was important.

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And. As we began to become more consumed with just getting elected.

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That objective morality became an obstacle, and I remember as much as 10, 15 years ago.

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Having a co -worker who said she wanted to see the Republican Party jettison abortion and gay marriage as a platform issue, because, you know, we need to be worried about winning the election, number one.

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And number two, you know, everybody's going to have their different perspectives and all this stuff, and it's not it's not helping them.

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And we went from having any sense of objectivity, objective morality that drove why we believe what we believe to we need to win.

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And you see that going forward, one of the biggest contributing arguments to just this particular issue is, well, you know, all this stuff is is not going to do you any good if we lose and we can't address it if we're not in office.

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So it's become an entirely pragmatic argument. That's why they're aping the the the left.

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They've unhitched themselves. They've done an Andy Stanley. They've unhitched themselves from the church and they see it only as a demographic to get votes for.

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But they see no need for our voice or our or our belief system. And so what they're trying to do is all that matters now is winning.

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That's the only driving factor. So if it means aping what the left does and accepting sexual immorality, which is what this is, then that's what they're going to do.

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That's why they will partner with people like Dave Rubin, openly homosexual, who will rent the womb of a mother so that he can have a custom made baby.

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That's why they'll congratulate him, pat him on the back, lift him up as an icon. I think he did a podcast episode on that.

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Yeah, we have. In fact, it's going to be again. And but that's that's the whole point is that, you know, the the conservative political machine isn't conservative.

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Excuse me, Drew, you said it right on the head. What are you conserving? You might as well change it to something else.

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You might as well just change it to not the left. Call it anything but conservative because you're not you're not conserving anything.

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You're just simply trying to be an alternative. You know, call it say, hey, at least we're not Democrats.

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You know, that's a little bit less. They're a little bit less left or less

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Marxist. Right. Yeah, exactly. I mean, and that's the thing. It's like what everybody says. Oh, we need to vote in the right.

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Why? Yeah, you want government solutions from these guys. You're not asking for small government. Why do you want to see it?

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Hold on a second. What I don't want to do, I don't want to do exactly what you're saying. Right. It's so easy for us to fall into the political aspect of it as well.

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And and really, I think I want to at least start with more of a biblical view with this, because I think that look, what

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I see concerning and Drew sent gave me some things with Twitter and I went and looked up some stuff and was like, wow,

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OK. So it was interesting because there were comments about the fact that. You have some people who are defending this and some people are kind of calling out, going, hmm, it looks like you want these calendars.

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Could it be you like looking at them? But you feel more spiritual about the fact that they're

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Christians. It's not bad. And that seems to be some of what

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I was seeing in some people like, well, it's because it's Christians, it's OK for us to look at women not properly dressed like that makes it

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OK. But that is some of the the the issue of what I what

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I ended up seeing. And so, you know, as we look at that, I want us to to just address the issue first from a biblical perspective of modesty.

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And I'm going to tell you right off the bat, I am going to accept I'm going to upset many people here, men included.

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OK, because I'm going to say something that when we talk about modesty, that is going to upset everybody,

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I think. I know. I think I know where you're going to go. And I think I'm going to agree with it as well.

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Andrew, it wouldn't be Apologetics Live if you didn't offend all of us at some point. No, no.

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OK, so do you remember when we had Les and we and we had everyone on talking about.

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I got the screenshot. When we started talking about justification by faith and Andrew was talking about basically disagreeing with us on the point of regeneration, not disagreeing with the

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Bible, but you. I have the screenshot of everybody's face. Han holds has this perfectly timed screenshot of all of us going home.

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It's great. Beautiful. But to get back. So a lot of what what

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Han holds was just saying, we see we do see it in the abortion movement. Right. We see.

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Well, we just need to get these people elected so we can end abortion. Then once we got them elected, it was, well, we just need

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Roe v. Wade to be overturned. Right. Then once Roe v. Wade was overturned, it was, oh, well, no one's going to vote for that.

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We've got to gain traction and no one's going to want to vote for the abolition of abortion. OK, you're just continuing to push the goal post a little more.

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Right. Yeah. But but now what I'm going to say this and I've said it before with my host,

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Chris Huff, who's backstage, and I said it when we were talking about when we did our episode on head coverings, a matter of theology.

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And it was people don't realize the the the American church, they don't realize how influenced by feminism they are, because this is very much an influence of the feminist movement that came in that told women, you can do whatever you want with your bodies and you don't have to cover.

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It's the men who need to just control themselves. We're going to push that even further because and this is where, as I mentioned, you know,

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I'm going to bring in some stuff from from the news in the news section, but it's going to tie into this because there is stuff that that's going on with the third wave of feminism, feminism.

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And we did an episode on that here sometime last year, early in the year, I think. But where you look at the waves of feminism, where now the argument is, well, as women, we have to put ourselves out and we have to have control over over things.

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I'm going to hold off on that because I really want to jump right. I want to jump into some scripture here and see what scripture has to say on this.

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And then, you know, make sure I upset some people. OK, I will upset them because, well, that's just the way it is.

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But here's what scripture says. First, Timothy chapter two. I'm starting here in verse nine.

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Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and golds or pearls or costly garments, but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness.

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Let's look at this. He's he he says he wants them modest. He wants them being discreet.

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Now, what's this whole thing with braiding your hair with golds and pearls and that's we believe that as we look at the history, that the prostitutes would braid their hair with gold.

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Now, keep in mind that in that at that time and even today, Jewish women would not let you see their hair.

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They cover their hair. OK, it's a thing where to, you know, if they're sitting here and they braid their hair with gold or pearls, so it attracts the view of men.

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OK, this is a culture where they didn't dress the way people do today, so they had to use other things to gather, get the attention.

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And this would be their hair. But what we could say today is women should adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreet, not wearing leggings.

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I was going to say, well, it's going to get worse than that. So hold on, we will get worse than that.

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But but what does it say here? This is what is proper for women making a claim of godliness.

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So if so, if you're going to sit there and say, oh, you guys are just you're against women.

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No, no, we're being really clear. What scripture says is if you claim you're claiming to be a

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Christian woman, you're claiming to be a woman of godliness, then yes, yes, this this applies to you.

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Now, one of those comments, which was also really disturbing, is you saw mothers defending their children in in dressing that way or being models.

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Right. Which which leads you to which also would lead to go that this also gains a father's approval.

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Now, as a husband. Now, my wife would she would never do that out in public.

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Right. That and she she makes that conviction on her own. But at the same time,

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I don't want her dressing that way either. And she knows it. And also, not only do

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I not want her dressing that way, I don't want other men looking at her in that way, let alone if I had if we had a daughter,

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I definitely would not want that. So let me take this now to an issue that I see very common within Christian circles on social media.

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We look at women in modesty. And a lot of people talk about what women should be modest in their apparel.

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We agree. I just read the scripture. Hey, guys, you two,

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I don't care how much weight you've lost, we do not need to see you stripped down to your underwear in a before and after photo to see how good you look, because the reality is what we have going on today.

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And I know I'm going to, you know, quote someone who claims to be Christian but seems to be more

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Catholic, but I don't, you know, and that's Candace Owens. She just did an episode today.

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Where she makes the argument very well, I may say, made the argument that it's the women today that are the perverts.

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When you look at the third wave feminism, where has it led? It led to your you're saying women shouldn't wear leggings.

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Think about how many cases we see of women going to the gym. Having things hanging out and then they get upset when guys look at them and they try to make a big deal, they record it.

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Right. Oh, I'm a victim. Well, Candace Owens had a woman that decided, you know, what's the difference between leggings and paint?

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And so she went to the gym wearing nothing but paint. And a guy threw her out of the gym.

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Good for him. And she, along with a bunch of other guys who probably wanted her in the gym so that they could stare at her, were sitting there trying to defend it.

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OK, so so the reality is, is don't tell me that the girls don't want to look at the guy's bodies either.

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OK, so guys nowadays are doing this. It's like we're doing a role reversal here where the girls are trying to be like, oh, we can flaunt it and it's not a big deal, but it's the guys that we're looking at.

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And so. This is something we talk about modesty, and I know you, Drew, you want to talk about the calendars, but I wanted to extend it because this is something

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I've been seeing on social media a lot from Christians and who we would say are good conservative guys, guys in our own camp.

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But what are they doing? Here's what I used to look like. Here's what I look like today. And there's they're wearing less than some of the girls, probably in this bikini.

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Chris Huff and I have talked at length about this throughout, probably, I don't know, the past three, four years or so like that.

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Yeah, we've we've talked a bunch about this, a bunch about this, and I have a lot of thoughts about this as well.

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And let me say this, Chris, you you post pictures of you working out in the gym.

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Yep. Yep. You do. And that's encouraging to people. I just post pictures of it, of an of a bathtub.

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Cold plunge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or a cold one. That's you're saying he supposedly took.

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I believe him. I believe nobody. Nobody's going to brag about doing a cold plunge unless they actually do it.

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Trust me. Listen, listen, you can ask my you can ask my neighbors because I think they heard the scream. Look, see,

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I don't I don't brag about it, but I've been doing this for about six or seven months or so.

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And that's in the shower. I'll end my shower with about three to five minutes of the cold water.

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Yeah, yeah. And because it's because it's it's really it's really good for you. Yeah, it's very good for you.

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It's yes, it's even it's even better than watching, you know, Buddy the Elf. OK, so but it was torturous to Kristoff's, you know, you post pictures or videos of you working out.

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Yeah. But in those you're not I mean, you're dressed. I'm I'm fully clothed.

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Yeah. OK, there's a big difference there. And I'm very careful, by the way. I'm very careful in this place into and I'm just let me just say this.

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I'm very careful when I do that of angles and very, very, very careful on length as well.

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Why are there balloons? That's crazy. Did you guys see that? You were like this and you're using some crazy things.

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Yeah. You're using a new iPhone software where if you do certain like when Chris did the two thumbs up, he was like, yeah.

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So so but I mean, you have to be mindful of that stuff. You can do it tastefully.

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I mean, I know people personally and we all know people personally, we'll put it that way, who

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Andrew, I think, you know, we're thinking I'm thinking about let me just go ahead and say it like I understand that might be your job.

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You might that may be what the Lord has given you as far as a way to provide for your family.

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But it can be done in a way that that does not cause people to stumble.

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I think of Paul's words in Romans 14. I think of Paul's words to the church at Corinth when he's when he's reminding them to to not do anything to cause a weaker brother or sister to stumble in any way, shape or form.

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And of course, Paul's talking about what you eat, the meat that you eat. If you, you know, but but but the same principle applies in this situation, you know, going back to the

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Riley Gaines thing, a couple of things real quick. I've been I've been sitting on this. I wasn't going to jump in, but but I've been sitting on this for a minute, a couple of things about Riley Gaines.

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Now, I have not seen the calendar. I heard about it like like Drew and Hanholtz, like, you know, it was all over Twitter X. And but my thing with Riley is, you know, appears to be a sister in the

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Lord. She's done some fantastic work in the political arena and fighting for women's women's rights against trans men that claim to be trans.

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And because I like what Daryl Harrison says, no one is trans. And they you know, she's done a fantastic thing there, professes to love the

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Lord Jesus Christ, and she very well may. But there's a difference between wearing a one piece bathing suit to compete in a sport where your focus, your focus and drive is to compete according to the rules and to win.

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And there's a difference between that and then posing. I don't care how modest the bikini is.

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I don't care if it's a one piece. If you're posing in such a way that is provocative to have people look at your body, then what you are doing is you're causing people to stumble, men and women, brothers and sisters.

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And so with that, with the stumbling is because of the argument I can see people saying, Chris, is just grow up, like get over it.

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And so so here's the thing. When we talk about men, same thing. Yeah. Oh, well, come on.

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Girls aren't going to be girls aren't like that. It doesn't matter. Yes, they are. They absolutely are.

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So and here's the here's the thing, man, here's here's the thing, like I like in the stuff that the reason

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I post workout videos is to is to promote the program that I've been doing for over a year and what those guys are doing and and to encourage anybody who would see that to stay active, to get active.

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Yeah. But at the same time, I've gotten messages from people that I have to block. And then

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I show those messages to my wife. I show those messages to my buddy Alex, who's keeping me accountable with stuff like that.

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They've got my logins to my social media so they can see that stuff. Like but yeah, women aren't doing that.

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Beg to differ. Yeah, absolutely are. So my thing is like this, like, yeah,

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OK, grow up or or you'll have people that use this argument. Well, just because someone's a weaker brother and sister doesn't mean they can use their weakness against me and prevent me from doing what

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I want to do. So you're absolutely right. It's twofold. It's not either or it's both. Anyway, Tom Holds won't say something, but just to give some some statistics or data behind what you said.

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So some people may know I used to work at a addiction recovery center as a counselor.

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We had just men at the time we were adding a woman's program. So a bunch of research went into adding women's because women's addiction and men's addiction become different.

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Interesting thing with women's addiction, what was discovered is we had to have three women to a room, unlike the men, it's two to a room.

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Why? One of the things we know is that when people just trade addictions.

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We also had to have the women so far away from the men because when the women switch from drugs or alcohol, they go to sex almost every time.

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And the reason three is because if you put two, one is going to dominate the other woman and you can have problems.

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So don't say they're not they're not prone to it because the tons of data in women's addiction says otherwise.

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Chris, go ahead. Go ahead. I'm seeing comments in the YouTube comments addressing kind of what you guys are saying about the stumbling, a brother or sister.

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And it's like, well, this isn't going to stop lust. OK, fair point here. Let me add to this, though. What is scripture's command and why is it given?

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There we go. We are called to present ourselves in a specific manner. Why? To honor

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God. Why is sexual immorality such a great, grievous sin?

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Why? Why is it over and over again listed amongst the sins that if you continue in this, you are not inheriting the kingdom?

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It is because God has designed our bodies for a specific union between one man and one woman in a lifetime monogamous relationship called marriage.

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And that is the only place, the only place in which that kind of revealing of the body is permissible.

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So if you whether you stumble someone or not, whether lust exists in the culture or not, whether people will lust or not.

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God has given us a specific command about how we are to present ourselves, because marriage is

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God's picture of his of his relationship with his people. And every single time we go, well,

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I can I can I can show off my body. And it's your problem if you if you, you know, if you look with lust, you, sir or madam, are saying to God, my body is for me.

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It's not for God. It's not to represent Christ to the world. It's for me. Now you've taken it out of God's hands.

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You've given it to yourself. And guess what? You have created an idol. So, yes, to those in the in the chat saying, well, even if you're wearing a full burqa, lust isn't going to stop anything.

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You're right. You are sinning against God. Number one, if you lust, number two, if you present your body in a manner that is meant for marriage.

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It's a pride issue. Let me encourage this Truth Be Known podcast, one of the podcasters of the

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Christian podcast community, go and listen to their most recent one with Gabe Hughes. And here's why.

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They got into talking about wearing a suit to church. Why wear a suit to church?

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And, you know, I think it was Gabe, Gabe or Nathaniel, one of them was talking about the fact of you wear a suit to work, but you'll wear jeans to church type of thing.

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Like, so you'll get dressed up more for for work than you do for the worship of God.

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The idea behind is this. And I was thinking about it as they were as they were saying, if if you knew your favorite president, because, you know, if I just say the president is someone you don't like, maybe like the president, the president is going to come to church with you.

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The president's coming to your house. You're going to his White House to meet the president. Are you going to dress different than you do at church?

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Yeah. And why would you do that? You're going to sell everything you own in order to get a good suit.

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Right. Yeah. It's you know, there used to be a time where people would get dressed up to go to the movies or to go to see a sporting event.

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I mean, it's really funny. My my my nephew's bar mitzvah were sitting there and we had like four hours to kill in between.

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Now, Chris, I'll get a laugh at this, but we had four hours to kill in between. And so my son in law and my daughter, myself and my bride, we didn't know what to do.

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So my son in law wanted to go see some movie called End Game is a Marvel movie. OK, now it was fun for me because I knew nothing of what was going on.

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I completely ruined it for my son in law, who had to explain the whole movie to me. It was literally the worst movie to have gone to with no with no back a back.

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Yes. Yeah. Here's the thing. We we showed up. Where were we at a bar mitzvah?

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We showed up in in a jacket and tie for me and my son in law dresses for the girls.

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And we go to get tickets. And the ladies was looking at us. The the manager calls the front desk to ask where we think we're supposed to be.

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And she goes, they're here to get tickets. And I'm like, someone's calling you because we walked in.

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He he could he was looking on the camera, saw us walking in suits. And I was like, we we got dressed up for the movie. What do you mean?

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Like we played it off that way. But that's what people used to do that. The point being is the way people dress.

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We know that that is a reflection on the view they have of the event they're at, what they're doing.

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You have the president coming for dinner. You're going to the president's house for dinner. You're dressing different than you do to go play ball.

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Yeah. To hang out. Why? Because of the value that you put on the event.

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OK, so now let me say this with the calendar. So you're going to put yourself out there as a Christian woman or Christian, period.

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What is it you want people to see of you? Your body or your godliness, your body or Christ?

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Like in this, this goes back to something I was thinking about when you guys started. And this is the main reason I jumped in is one of the reasons we're seeing what we're seeing.

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You right. You didn't jump in because we triggered you. No, no. It's it's a combination you guys hit on.

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I think part of it, the third wave feminism, but it's also and I think the bigger issue, especially for those who would profess faith in the

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Lord Jesus Christ, is this. This is yet again the rotten fruit of easy believism when it comes to those who profess to be followers of Christ.

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You know, it it's it's presuming upon the grace of the Lord. It's not fearing the

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Lord. It's well, Jesus is my savior. So there's grace there. So, I mean, he's it's for a good cause.

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So I can do this. I can pose. I can I can buy it. I can look at it. It's not that big of a deal. But it's it's

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I think back to our Lord's words. Why do you call me Lord, Lord, and not do what

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I say? I mean, it's it's a question that we all have to ask ourselves each and every day.

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But but this is when you have professing believers defending this, when you have, be careful here, when you have people who claim to be reformed and they come and you say, hey, man, what's your shirt on?

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Put your shirt on. And their response. Their response is, oh, man, look, if someone's got a problem with it, that's on them.

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I don't think so, man. Like it's cover up like you don't you don't know.

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Like you have a response. Like here's the thing, too, about social media. And here's, you know, we think about this and everybody is always like social media doesn't have.

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We drew and I've had people say this, right? Social media doesn't have any influence. You're just a blog. You know, there's people trying to argue that social media has no.

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Absolutely. Absolutely. Oh, absolutely. So you're probably arguing that on social media.

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No, no, no, no, no. This this particular person wasn't. But but my thing is, this is like, you know, do you or do you not have a responsibility to steward any sort of platform or any sort of influence?

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And I hate that word that the Lord would give you. You know, Honholz, you're approaching what, 10 ,000 followers on Twitter.

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Like you have a response. You have a responsibility to shepherd that.

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Well, well, here's the curse. Talk about influence in social media, right? The same person that said social media doesn't have any influence.

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But yet his wife is a photographer, wonderful photographer, amazing photographer, got noticed because she was posting just family pictures that she took on social media.

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And it gained attention from a lot of wealthy people who would fly her out to do these big gigs.

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And right. Right. So it doesn't have any. It has influence all the way even to someone's job.

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Yeah, I was just about to say that, man. I applied today, today in this. I mean, I don't think anybody from my work is going to listen to this.

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But if they do, oh, well, I today I applied to a job where one of the responsibilities, one of the responsibilities is managing social media.

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And posting on social media, replying to comments, engaging the timing of it, when to do it, how to do it, et cetera, so on and so forth.

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When I was with Just Thinking, when I was doing the stuff for JT, that was a big deal. The timing of our posts mattered.

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The way we replied to the comments, when we posted things, how we posted things, all of that, all of that plays into it.

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So if that has no influence, are you kidding me? Like so. So if you're a let's talk about guys for a second, because we're all guys here.

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Like if I I could take I have before and after pictures of when I started doing the

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GBRS human performance program in November of twenty two. And I have pictures that I took

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January one. I'm not going to post those. That's my body is not my own.

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My body belongs to the Lord, first and foremost, and to my wife. Second, well, there's a thumbs up.

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So I'm not going to share that because out of the people who would who would choose to look at that men or women,

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I could cause them to stumble. And I don't want to do that. Well, let me say something because I'm about to have to hop off.

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And if it if it if it ends early, I'll jump back on. But those who want to defend and make excuses for why we should be able to look at these things, that's equally so.

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Oh, yeah. So not just those participating. Those who are defending it are equally sinning.

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And the thing about lust, you know, Hanholds, you brought up passages, Bible passages about sexual immorality.

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And one of the things that makes all of those sins unique is sexual immorality.

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And we're going to tie it to lust, of course, because that's what this calendar is focused on. And all forms of immodesty are focused on lust.

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When we when we sin through sexual immorality or lust, it's it's a unique sin because it's a sin against our own body that the

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Lord says. Right. So it's not just we're doing it against something else. Not we're doing it just against God.

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We're doing it against ourselves because we are also in the image of God. But also if we are married, who are we sitting against?

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Your spouse, your child. Yep. We're sitting against our. That's a good point, dude. That's a that's a great point.

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You're also sitting against your children. Yes. You have children. Yes. Yeah. So so I said that I'm going to hop off if I if I'm able to hop back on.

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So I'll see you guys. So so here's the thing that I think when we look at this is there is an aspect where, you know, and I find it interesting.

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We have a professing atheist who who is, you know, saying death protest too much.

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Just admit you've Googled it. It's fine. That's that's the whole thing is that we haven't. So sorry, professor.

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But we haven't. I know we didn't need to, because the difference is that when you want to honor

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God. You don't need to go and just satisfy your curiosity.

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Right. So this is the thing that that we end up seeing, though, that the there's the two aspects that I mentioned earlier that I see.

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One is that there I think there's a lot of people who want to defend this sort of stuff.

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And I'm speaking of defending women who are poorly dressed or men that are poorly dressed.

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There is the aspect where some of them want to be able to look. And they want to be able to feel like they're

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OK, it's OK to look because they're Christians or they're just trying to show their their, you know, how much weight they've lost or whatnot.

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The excuses that people can make so that they can try to make themselves feel better about their behavior.

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OK. And I get that it doesn't mean everyone's doing that. Sure. But there's the aspect of it where I think you have people who are secretly wanting to look at it.

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They they're they're wanting to feel it's OK. But there's others who this is something where they start to justify because, well, this isn't as bad as what's on the

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TV. Now, when you've done that, I think you when you get to that kind of argument, what that reveals is you don't even know the slippery slope that you've already fallen onto or fallen down.

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Because now what you're doing is you're looking at the the filth of the world and saying, well, we're not as bad as them.

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OK, but that's not the standard. Go pick up your Bible. The standard is Christ.

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So now here's the question. Would you want Christ doing such behavior?

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I mean, you want Christ to be like, hey, don't focus on on godliness. No, the reality is that this is an issue.

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That we get to sit there and say it's not the comparison of what Christians are doing compared to the world.

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It's what Christians are doing compared to Christ. So that that's the thing.

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What's the standard in which you're going to do this comparison? Because if you're going to judge against the world, yeah, we can always look better than the world.

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But right, right. Well, I mean, and when you say that, man, when you say, well, at least it's not as bad as as X, Y and Z, like I think of a couple of things.

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My mind goes to Romans chapter two and verse four, when Paul is saying that or do you do you think lightly of the kindness, the patience, the tolerance, the forbearance knowing that the kindness of the

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Lord is what leads us to repentance? And and so because he's he's he just laid out these sins of Romans one.

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God gave them over that judgment is coming on those who do these things and give hearty approval to those who do.

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But then he launches into don't don't don't think that you're better just because you're not doing that. And then and then

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I think about, you know, what we see in Luke 18 and it says verse 13, but the tax collector standing some distance away was was was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven.

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But was beating his chest, saying, God, be merciful to me, the sinner. You know, that's the response.

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It's it's not, but at least I'm not as bad as X, Y or Z. It at least

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I'm not like that guy. Well, no, I mean, OK, praise the Lord that you might not be.

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But that's not the that's not the framework. The framework is a wretched man that I am.

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The framework is I'm a man of unclean lips. The framework is, please, God, be merciful to me.

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Be be gentle in your discipline and the grace of your discipline to me. The center. Yeah.

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And just add a little bit more to what you were saying, Andrew. The we're not as bad as them.

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I think another component of this Christians who defend. Inappropriate, let's just even if you don't want to say, oh, they're not posing lustfully, let's just take that out.

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Inappropriate picture. Why? Because you have a conservative business using these pictures to raise money for the conservative political movement to forward, you know, that the conservative political agenda.

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And you have Christians who look at this and go, we need to defeat the left.

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This isn't near as bad as a lot of the stuff that's out there. We need to grow up and act like adults because this is what people do.

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And so rather than remembering scripture's command to not be unequally yoked with the unbeliever.

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And rather than remembering that the sovereignty of the Lord and that every political outcome is not up to us, but up to him and that we are sojourners and strangers of this world and citizens of heaven, first to go, man, it is yoking ourselves with unbelievers who have jettisoned any pretense of Christian morality, any kind of Judeo -Christian ethic, and have justified their behavior for social, political gain.

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We are so consumed that we have to beat the other side that we are willing to deny, tolerate, affirm and celebrate immoral, inappropriate behavior on the part of professing

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Christians even. And from what I understand, not every person was immodestly dressed.

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Some were dressed like 1950s housewife, I think is what somebody said. I don't really care.

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I mean, if there's one picture, it's one too many. And if it's if it's specific, you know, how about creating a calendar that was celebrating the nuclear family?

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Well, that's not going to sell. Why? Because dads aren't going to put it up in their garage to look at a loving nuclear family.

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This was this was, you know, made for a specific reason for give guys something to look at.

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And so it was it clearly had a specific agenda in mind, whether all the pictures were inappropriate or not.

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So Christians are now not only defending it, maybe because they want to look at it, defending it because they've become so wedded to worldly thinking, they don't see the problem with it, but also because they have wedded themselves to a political movement that doesn't want anything from them, but their votes.

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And the way and I didn't thumbs up. Why did you do it? Oh, yeah. And so it they've they've so wedded themselves to it.

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They can't even see that what they're doing is dishonoring to God because they've put the political movement first.

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So that's that's the thing is that you you have this Christless, godless political movement that runs on the fumes and now at the vapors of Judeo -Christian ethic.

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It says, shut up, Christians. We don't want to hear from you. We don't want to. We don't want your belief system, but we want your votes.

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So vote for us and partner with us and shut up. And you bring that to the forefront.

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And what happens? Shush, shush. We need this. You know, you're getting in the way.

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You need to be quiet. You need to grow up. You need to be an adult. This is no big deal. It is a compromise on multiple levels.

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And what has happened is we forget that our first and foremost duty in this world is not to win elections.

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Oh, God, come on. Here's the thing that I would challenge people with, whether they want to be in the calendar, look at the calendar, defend the calendar or or forget the calendar post guys or girls on social media.

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Hey, look at my weight loss. Look at my, you know, look at. OK, so I'm just I'm going to put them all in that category.

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Here's the one question. You're standing before Christ, is that how you want to be dressed? I mean,

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I mean, that's what it comes down to, because when we stand before Christ, are we going to sit there and be like, oh,

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I'm comfortable being dressed this way. Or would

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I want to be dressed differently? And if I want to be dressed differently, then do that all the time.

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I mean, always suit all the time or dress all the time. But would you be willing to stand before Christ dressed the way you're looking to dress for social media?

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Would you be? Would you? And for those who are like, oh, come on, it's harmless. We can look at it or it doesn't matter.

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Let me take that question to another another two other levels. Number one, would you look at something like that in the physical presence of Christ?

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One, two, why are we going to celebrate, join in the sins that crucified the

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Lord? And would we be willing to engage in those sins, regardless of what they are at the foot of the cross during that crucifixion?

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Well, and this goes to what we were saying earlier about, you know, the steady diet of easy believism.

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I guarantee you, if you put that question out on Twitter and I'm calling it

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Twitter, I refuse to call it X, put it out on Twitter. You would have a massive number of people who would say,

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I don't see a problem. And in fact, our professing atheist, even though he doesn't like to be called that, has said, well, why wouldn't

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I just assume I would appear in that form when I appear before the Lord? The issue isn't that, you know, but the problem is, is most people won't think of it that way.

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Most people will not recognize that the display of your body or anything other than your husband or wife in a committed relationship for, you know, all your lives until death do you part is a reflection of your relationship with God.

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They've not been taught that. They've not been taught that doing so doing so otherwise is sinful. They've not been taught any of these things.

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So they would think, oh, well, sure, I don't have a problem being dressed like Riley Gaines, or I wouldn't be have a problem being dressed like the guy in the gym who's got, you know, short shorts and a tank top that barely covers any of his body.

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Why would that be a problem? I'm not I'm not doing it for anything, any reason. And they're not understanding because they haven't been taught.

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And that's the problem. Why do we see this partnership? Why do we see this willingness to compromise? Because they haven't been told it's a compromise.

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And when you try to tell them it's a compromise, then they get you get the standard responses of your legalistic, your your adding to scripture, your, you know, your a

01:01:51

Pharisee, your a Pharisee. You get all of that because they're not being taught that because you have so many churches who are terrified and or and or their consciences are seared to the point that it's they are not listening to that and or they are ignoring the conviction of the

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Holy Spirit and or how much time are they truly spending in their Bibles, getting to know the

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God they profess to love, getting to know how, I mean, earnestly seeking and desiring to know what the scriptures teach and what they mean by what they teach in order to apply that to look more and more like a lot like the

01:02:29

Lord Jesus Christ, which is the whole goal of sanctification. Yeah. I mean, the, the issue is

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I keep going back to it, but what's the standard. Right. And the, the fact is, is that you have people you're like, you're saying get, get in the

01:02:46

Bible. Well, the fact is that they're looking in the world, they're in the world or of the world, which one?

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Because what we see is that if we're going to focus on Christ, you know, we may be in this world, but we're looking at what

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Christ is doing, what our Lord in John 17, that, that we would be sanctified in the truth.

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His word is truth. There are professing believers, a bunch of them, a bunch of them who, if I said to them,

01:03:25

Hey, um, let's open up to Colossians chapter three and walk through that or tell me, tell me what is the

01:03:33

Lord teaching you through his word right now, or let's talk about what it means to be a godly man, crickets, crickets, but you say

01:03:42

Donald Trump, you say 2024 election, you say trans rights.

01:03:49

You say anything, anything having to do with the gun rights, um, anything having to do with any sort of political temporal topic and they won't shut up.

01:04:01

And so my question is Matthew seven.

01:04:09

Many will say unto me, Lord, Lord. And what is his response?

01:04:15

I never knew you. Yeah. Terrifying thought. Does he know you?

01:04:20

Do you know him? Because if that's the case, you should want to be in this book, devour it.

01:04:27

And you should be wanting to share what's in that book. You should be wanting to look here.

01:04:33

Here's the, I have a paper every four years I post it. And there's one line that gets me in trouble.

01:04:38

It's basically about Christians and political activism. There's one line that seems to upset most people when

01:04:45

I post it. It's the line that I say that most Christians know the

01:04:50

Republican message more than the gospel message. Amen. And it's people.

01:04:56

And I'm like, probably because it hit home. Um, you know, and, and so the thing is, um, and this is,

01:05:08

I mean, I, and I'll just say, I see the comments going, I can't even keep up with all of them to flag them to try to do the same thing.

01:05:15

Um, yeah, I'll just, I'm going to, I'm just going to say, um, You know, Chris, Chris, uh, creation myths says

01:05:22

I prefer extremely indifferent atheists rather than, uh, professing atheists because, uh, because honestly,

01:05:30

I just don't care that much. Coming from a man whose YouTube channel is, oh, all about creation.

01:05:37

Yeah. That's why I don't believe you. Um, he, he says he's just here to keep an eye on Christian nationalists.

01:05:45

That's kind of his thing. Um, and so, you know, he was asked by Jason, he says, someone who wants the

01:05:55

U S government to impose their flavor of Christianity, Oh, oh wait, professor.

01:06:00

You mean like you want the U S government to impose your flavor of Christianity because Christ's version of Christianity, the government can do their own thing.

01:06:10

Well, yeah, but let, let's remember, let's go back to who we're talking about and let's play a clip. I want to bring you back in.

01:06:16

I want to ask you one burning question. You're a biologist. I have two biologists here. I have a burning question that has been asked recently.

01:06:23

I'm wondering if you can help out with, I know that I know that this has, it can't be answered by Supreme court justices.

01:06:30

What is a woman? Oh, you do not want me to go down this road because sex determination and development.

01:06:39

I mean, Dr. Jensen is probably more familiar with developmental biology than I am, but, um, that's a really complicated question, especially when you consider the complexities of human biology.

01:06:50

Look, I actually talk in class about sex determination, chromosomal determinants, hormonal determinants, genetic determinants, what determines what determines sex.

01:07:00

I see. That's all that. There's no short, there is no answer to that question that I could answer in the time that we have tonight.

01:07:07

Professing to be wise. They became, it is a really complicated question.

01:07:13

So it's not a question of chromosome X versus Y. 100%. No, no.

01:07:20

All right. Ask me the question 12 different ways if you want, but you're going to get the same answer each time. I don't think it's all that complex.

01:07:26

Uh, I would answer it very simply. A woman is what God who created the women defines it as God, God created, or he gets to give the definition.

01:07:35

So it's a woman is what God calls a woman. And so, as, as he mentions here, he says,

01:07:40

I don't want the government to impose any religion, uh, except yours. You want the government imposing your religion that can't even determine the difference between a male and a female don't, don't tell us you're not.

01:07:58

Atheism is one of the most religious religions out there. Yeah. So, so, you know, the reality is that what we end up seeing, you know, this is one of the things

01:08:09

I find quite interesting when we talk about the modesty, this will get, maybe go different way, but I remember

01:08:14

I was on a college campus, there were a bunch of fields that were, you know, abolitionists, they were addressing the issue of abortion.

01:08:23

Uh, I was doing some open air evangelism. There was a woman that was very, very upset.

01:08:29

She had had an abortion, uh, because she was raped. Okay. Here was an interesting thing that I asked her because I, I mean,

01:08:37

I personally believe, you know, all rapists should probably be hung, but the, the thing is that I asked her the question, what's your view of pornography?

01:08:51

She had no problem with it. In fact, she engages in it and watches it all the time. I said, okay.

01:08:58

So one thing we know is that every single sexual predator has always says it starts their, their problem started with pornography and we don't want to eliminate that and then we want to say, oh, but people should just control.

01:09:17

And so you, you know, not all the people that look at pornography go and commit rape, but everyone that rapes started with pornography.

01:09:28

So, so don't say you're against rape when you're promoting the thing that helps to encourage it.

01:09:34

Right. This is the thing. People want their cake and eat it too. They want to be able to sit there and say,

01:09:40

I want to live my life. I don't want to have to change anything I do. I just don't want you forcing your beliefs on me, though.

01:09:47

I want to force mine on you. Right. So when Erica's professor friend here is going to say about, you know, pushing a religion,

01:09:58

I have a question and you know, anyone in the chat, you can chime in.

01:10:05

Do you know any state in the union that has a law on the books that requires everybody to go to church on Sunday?

01:10:12

Because if there was a Christian nation, that's what we'd be pushing for. Right. When you say that, you know, oh, you're pushing for a

01:10:19

Christian nation, um, people that were arguing against abortion were arguing it legally as well, because it wasn't the argument that made it legal was, was taking the constitution and twisting it to make it what they wanted it to say.

01:10:38

Now, the reality is that no one's forcing anybody to go to church.

01:10:44

Nobody's saying that we can't have abortion because it should, we should be saying that we can't, we shouldn't have abortion because it's the killing of a human being.

01:10:55

Right. But the issue is that you're not seeing people arguing that you must do this because we're

01:11:01

Christian or that you must be Christian. See, that's not the argument. No one's being forced to go to church, but we as Christians are being forced to celebrate

01:11:10

LGBT nonsense. And we can't figure out if you, if you can't use proper pronouns that someone changes, you know, on a whim, somehow that is a wrong thing.

01:11:21

You're hurting someone's feelings. Um, you know, let, let me get to, let me, cause this is going to play in well now at this point, but, so I mentioned that I was going to talk about the, in the news section, there is a woman who is suing because she was in the metaverse for folks who don't know the metaverse.

01:11:38

It's this, you know, fake world, you know, where you get into a virtual reality and a bunch of guys in whatever game or whatever thing they were doing, raped her character and she is suing the men that she was playing a virtual game with because it hurt her that she was virtually raped.

01:12:08

These are people that can't separate reality from fantasy. Okay. Well, yeah, let's, so there's a lot there.

01:12:18

Let me, let me go back to something a second ago. I was just flipping through scripture and let me address believers.

01:12:25

Uh, I know that, um, um, you know, we got this guy who's a professor and an atheist and all that stuff in there, but let me, let me, let me address believers for a second.

01:12:37

And, and drew, um, a Lord to this earlier, uh, Paul says in first Corinthians six and verse 18, flea, sexual immorality, we run away from as fast as you can, as far as you can.

01:12:49

Every other sin that a man commits outside the body is outside the body, but sexual, the sexual immoral man bends against his own body.

01:12:56

Or do you not know, listen to this. Do you not know that your body is a sanctuary of the

01:13:02

Holy spirit who is in you have from God and that you are not your own for you were bought with a price.

01:13:12

That price was the blood of Christ. That price was the, was, was, was his crucifixion.

01:13:19

Therefore, because you were bought with the price because the Holy spirit is, lives inside of you because, um, you are, your bodies are members.

01:13:30

Paul says in a few verses before that are members of Christ because of that glorify

01:13:36

God in your body, you believer. Like again,

01:13:41

I just want to address believers for a second. You are not your own. Your, you are a slave.

01:13:52

You are, are owned by the Lord Jesus Christ. If he truly lives in you, if you are among the elect to think that you can do what you want with your body, when you get good and ready, or to think you can do what you want with your body because you're lazy, because you're a sluggard or because you're prideful.

01:14:15

There's the balloons again. That's weird. Um, is, is, is, is, is gross sin that needs to be repented of.

01:14:24

You are a slave of Christ. You do not belong to yourself. So let the world be the world.

01:14:33

Let unbelievers, let those who are more concerned with conservative politics or politics in general, they're concerned with what happens to this earth, that's going to be burned up.

01:14:43

That is going to be vaporized. They are not concerned with the one who can kill both the body and the soul.

01:14:51

They're only concerned about their body right now. Don't be like that. Go against the grain, commit your life to the

01:14:59

Lord Jesus Christ. And if, if, if there's sin, you need to repent of as a believer, repent from that.

01:15:05

Well, let me, let me add one more thing to that. So we, you know, use your body to honor

01:15:12

God, right? So therefore, rather than being unequally yoked with those who compromise and use sinful means to gain sociopolitical position and power, we should be as Christians, not only speaking the truth, but modeling that truth to that world.

01:15:37

And if we're just speaking it and not modeling it, we're no different than, than, than the people that the Lord Jesus Christ called out of the gospels with their lips, they honoring, but their hearts are far from me.

01:15:47

Go ahead. Sorry. Exactly. We should be speaking and modeling rather than compromising because we are more concerned.

01:15:55

And I know this, I, unfortunately to our atheist friends, you know, dismay, we're not

01:16:02

Christian nationalists here. So I know this will get frustrating with, for my Christian nationalists, friends, most of which have ended up muted because they can't act like adults sometimes on social media, but I'm going to get in trouble for that.

01:16:16

Just email voice reason radio. You can hate me there. But the thing is, is that when we, if we're going to say, and this is going to make my, our atheist friend,

01:16:27

Matt, if I'm going to, as a citizen of a nation where I have a right,

01:16:33

I know this bugs him. I have a right to call upon and elect officials to represent.

01:16:40

Um, guess what me, then I get to, I get to say to them what

01:16:46

I want them to promote legally that that's, that's how a representative system works. I know he doesn't like that at all, but that's how it works.

01:16:53

So I get to not only call upon them and vote for them, but I also get to tell them as their constituency, what

01:17:01

I expect of them, and if I say it's more important to win the election. So compromise away, don't worry about what

01:17:08

God says. Then I have done, as you said, you know, I'm, I'm the one who says, but haven't

01:17:13

I done this and this in your name, Jesus, he says you're far from me because you didn't obey me. You didn't, you didn't love me.

01:17:19

You didn't obey me. You didn't do what I called you to do. But if I say to that representative, sir, understand this first and foremost, you are a sinner before God.

01:17:28

You've broken his commandments. You have, uh, you are worthy of his wrath, just and righteous wrath, but he has, uh, you know, a way of escape for you through the shed blood of Jesus Christ.

01:17:39

His death, burial and resurrection promises you a way of eternal life. So therefore submit to him in repentance and faith.

01:17:45

And by the way, now that you know that, you also need to know that God has commanded you to obey all that he says and does.

01:17:52

And if you're in that position, sir, or madam, topic for a different day of whether that should be the case, sir, or madam, then guess what?

01:17:59

You have to represent him as his appointed, uh, I did not thumbs up.

01:18:06

Yeah, you're, you're there to represent him as a, uh, the official in which he has placed this trust.

01:18:12

And you have to do what he's called upon you to do. And that means you don't promote sin.

01:18:19

You don't promote sin. You don't, you, you can make all kinds of laws that benefit people around the nation, but you don't promote sin.

01:18:27

Yeah. So that's how we as Christians should be doing that. And our atheist friend gets to vote for elected officials.

01:18:34

They can promote atheist values, how he justifies those as a mystery. But the point is, is that we both get to do that.

01:18:42

And we, as Christians shouldn't be compromising our, our, our beliefs and our principles in the scriptures to win an election when the people who don't want us to talk are trying to court us for our votes.

01:18:56

Yeah. And, you know, one of the things, and you can go back, you know, several weeks, months ago when we had

01:19:03

Anthony come in and try to justify homosexual Christianity, that the Bible doesn't teach that homosexuality is a sin.

01:19:12

And what did we see? We saw someone that he got, he got upset afterwards and his friends got upset because we spent the time dealing with definitions of terms.

01:19:22

He's like, I had eight pages of notes. I couldn't get to them because you couldn't stay with, you want to say what the

01:19:28

Bible says about something, but then you want to use non -biblical definitions for things like lust.

01:19:35

This is the problem is that what, you know, like, you know, you have creation myths here trying to argue for, um, you know, not pushing for Christians, not pushing their religious views, but has no problem with his views being pushed on us that somehow we got to take them out.

01:19:56

You don't see any of this being argued for how the, the Quran teaches teaches homosexuality, do you?

01:20:04

No, they don't care about that. They only want to attack Christianity. And don't tell me it's not an attack on Christianity when you have, you know, people whose goals, they, they explicitly say it, that their purpose is to mock

01:20:21

Christians and they're being promoted. And supposedly if you criticize them, that you're in the wrong, you know, it's a, it just doesn't, doesn't work that way.

01:20:32

Now I will say this. He, he, he did, he did earlier post. He said, you know, striving for training. Uh, and thank you again for giving me slash us so much time to have the longer conversation on it.

01:20:43

It was really enjoyable because we had him come back and talk about his, his view with, you know, as far as men and women, you know, look, we're talking to him,

01:20:53

I'm purposely not using his name. Cause you know, you can go back to previous episodes and get the, get his name cause he's, he's not putting it there.

01:21:02

And so I try not to do that with folks, even if I know who their, their name is. But, but the thing being is, you know, what, what we do here is to give people a chance to voice their opinion.

01:21:16

We don't censor people here. We're not in this show. We don't sit there and try to say, you have to believe exactly what we believe.

01:21:26

We'll tell you what we say, the, you know, what we think the Bible teaches. That's what we're going to do, but we're not going to sit there and say that everyone must believe what we believe.

01:21:39

If you don't believe what the Bible believes, you're going to be held to God's standard. And throughout tonight, what you've heard me continuously say is it's about God's standard.

01:21:51

All right. I want to recommend another podcast for you to listen to on this topic as well. Another one of the

01:21:57

Christian Podcast Community podcasts that came out today was Squirrel Tratter. Okay.

01:22:02

And he addressed some of these things as well and did an excellent job with it. Be careful with that thumbs up there,

01:22:07

Chris, you guys on your iPhone. See, I could do this all day. There's a way to change it in the video settings, but I can't figure it out.

01:22:18

I'm trying to find it. Okay. So, so Chris Hough, you're not on an iPhone.

01:22:24

I'm on my computer. Yeah. It's a, it's a Mac thing. It's a Mac thing. I'm on a

01:22:29

Mac. But is your software up to date? Probably. I keep it up to date.

01:22:36

So, so I want to, I want to real quick address a couple other, other things, unless you guys have anything else you want to tackle with this.

01:22:45

No, not that I haven't already said. Yeah. So let me do this. Cause there's, I mean, I won't get to everything that was in the, in the comments, so sorry about folks, but I will, um,

01:22:55

I will address this one. Melissa had said off topic. I don't think it's so off topic.

01:23:01

It's not. She said off topic, but I was wondering if you guys could address pornography in marriage, if a spouse continues to engage in it, in this sin, is it considered adultery?

01:23:13

My church was speaking on this topic. Yes. See, I'm going to actually say no.

01:23:21

Now, hear it out. But I say to you, everyone who looks at a woman to lust for her already committed adultery with her in his, in his heart, put it in.

01:23:32

Let's I know, put it in context. Go ahead. Context. So the, the adultery, right?

01:23:40

So is it a sin? Yes. Okay. Is it committing adultery?

01:23:45

Yes. Where, where I'm going to draw a line is, can you get divorced because of it? Okay. So it's going to be a, yeah, this is, this is a, an issue where it is not as clear.

01:24:03

I don't think as some try to make it, here's why there's there, and I'm going to argue this as someone who does counseling and have seen this, but there are people who sit there and go,

01:24:16

Oh, you know, my husband looked at an R rated movie, I could divorce him now. And they're, they're, they're using the issue of looking at pornography as a way of getting out of a marriage.

01:24:27

Well, if, if, if, if that's the motivation, okay. But I would say that if there, if that's not the motivation that you have one spouse that's engaging in that.

01:24:37

Um, and, and it is, there has been multiple attempts at reconciliation, multiple attempts, like pleading and working and counseling and everything else, and there's just absolutely no repentance and that sin is not going to stay just looking at pornography.

01:24:54

It's going to grow. Sin is never satisfying. It always goes to the next level and the next level and the next level.

01:25:01

So I would say like, I mean, I'm, I kind of take the John Piper approach as far as divorce goes a little bit.

01:25:08

Um, I think obviously there are definitely biblical warrants for it, but at the same time, like what, what

01:25:15

God has joined together, let no man separate. If it's a, to be a picture of the, of the gospel from a man's point of view,

01:25:21

Christ never leaves us. We should never leave our brides. Um, I understand we have permission biblically in certain situations, but, uh, with something like this, number one, yes, it's adultery.

01:25:33

Number two, yes, it's sin. Number three, if it, if it gets to that place where there's just absolutely no repentance and it's just gotten worse and worse and worse, there's gotta be other sins going on.

01:25:42

There's going to be lying deception. So let's, let's follow it through logically. If you are angry at your brother, it's murder of the heart.

01:25:52

Should we charge people who hate hate, hate, hate, angry is different than hate.

01:26:00

Angry. I can be angry with you and not hate you. If you, if there's, if there's vindictive hatred, like I hope he gets hit by a bus.

01:26:11

Yeah. It's like, if I'm like, man, you really upset me. You really, you really angered me. That's different.

01:26:17

Yeah. I got it. I w I'm going to, I want to go and look up the actual word there then to see. Um, it's a good idea to do the same.

01:26:27

Yeah. And I'm sorry, folks are listening on podcasts and audios. I'm just like your scripture, which you can't say.

01:26:33

Um, so, so I'm going to, I'm just going to echo while you guys are looking stuff up. I'm going to echo what my brother

01:26:39

Chris Huff said. Yes, it is adultery of the heart. And I absolutely agree,

01:26:44

Andrew, the, a, to make the argument while he looked at something, therefore that's adultery, therefore

01:26:53

I can divorce is not what scripture is commanding and is not indicating, obviously the issue is, is that, you know,

01:27:00

I think there can be an argument made that, you know, um, if you continue in lustful behavior where you're staring at, uh, pornography, neglecting your wife, neglecting your, uh, the love, the love for your spouse that, uh, and neglecting your, uh, making no effort, not even acknowledging the sin.

01:27:24

I think you're, you're now, there's a point where it's eventually you're, you're, you've abandoned your spouse.

01:27:30

You're, you're, you're, you're engaging in ongoing sinful behavior of a adulterous nature.

01:27:36

I think you can make, I think that argument can be made, but you're going to have to go a long way to get there. Yeah. I mean, it's not the same as, as I remember,

01:27:45

I remember counseling a couple where, you know, and we're not going to get into detail obviously, but the woman wanted to have relations and he preferred going into, you know, looking at magazines.

01:27:58

That's okay. That is, and you're like, okay, like what in the world? But so the, the word here is, but I say unto you that everyone who is angry with their not guilty.

01:28:10

And so it's to be angry, to make angry, to irritate, to provoke anger. Um, and so the, the, the thing that I'm going to say here is that we use this as adultery as we do with anger.

01:28:24

So if I'm angry with my brother, then should I be treated as a murderer?

01:28:31

Great. Because if the, if the, if the looking with lust is adultery, this is a standard before God, but if we're going to take that and put it in the, into the physical and say, well, then if a person who's looking at pornography, then the spouse can divorce them, then should we put someone in jail for murder for being angry?

01:28:56

Right now, the reason I'm saying that is because I look, I'm not promoting the use of pornography.

01:29:05

Okay. I, I, I think that that has caused a whole lot of problems in our culture, but I want to also say,

01:29:15

I don't want to say, thus says the Lord in something that the Lord hasn't said so clearly that I can say, thus says the

01:29:22

Lord. So the issue is like, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you guys outright.

01:29:28

I'm just being really careful to say, here's the context of it. And the being angry with your brother is in the same context as looking with it, with lust.

01:29:40

And so if we say that the one is, you know, is, is equivalent to a physical act, looking with lust is equivalent to a physical act of adultery, not the heart motive, but, but the consequences to the physical, then should it be the same for being angry?

01:29:58

Right. And again, I, I agree. I think you have to be, there's going to have, there's not going to be a hard and fast point where you can say, well, this is adultery, so therefore divorce your spouse.

01:30:09

But I think, especially as you say, this ongoing issue of counseling and just a repetitive engagement, not, not just in lustful looking, lustful thoughts, but in a neglect of the spouse to the point of, you know, as you said in that one session, we're referring to one session, like actually not even engaging in the act of the spouse because you've done that.

01:30:34

I think you have, there are, there's a point where you're going to, you know, make that, that potentially make that argument but it's going to, it's, you're going to, there's going to be a lot involved before you ever get there.

01:30:47

I think, I think of one where somebody said, well, what about, you know, an abusive spouse?

01:30:53

Because the Bible talks about either abandonment or, you know, sexual immorality.

01:30:58

It doesn't talk about an abusive spouse. And as one person, I think one church was, they basically viewed it as if you have this, if you have this ongoing abuse, there's an argument for the abandonment of the spouse, abandonment of the family.

01:31:12

And so I think there's, but you're going to have to get to that place where you can say, we, there's, there's literally, you know, nothing we can do to show that there's any possibility of reconciling this.

01:31:28

This, this is how grievous the sin has become. I'm with you on that, Andrew. I don't think you just arbitrarily say, well, since it's a lust of the heart, therefore, you know, divorce.

01:31:41

No, I would agree with you a hundred percent. Yeah. Because then, then you get into the territory if there's, if there's no thing that, you know, like I, I know both of you guys gave me a look when

01:31:48

I kind of, it was this group, but it's, it's because I don't want to just jump, which is where people jump to.

01:31:54

I don't want to just jump in that. So is, is the heart attitude of looking at pornography, looking at someone with lustful thoughts, is that in God's eyes, just as guilty as doing the physical act?

01:32:11

Yes. Right. It's just like being angry is, is at the same level is that committing of murder?

01:32:18

Same. Yes. But I don't say that it is punishable by the same act of a physical murder or adultery.

01:32:29

No, I would agree with that. Yep. You know, and the reason being is like, so God knows our hearts and we can even deceive ourselves, right?

01:32:38

So we have to take that into account. All right. Um, let me do this just cause

01:32:43

I want to, I want to, um, I, I, I, Melissa, I thought that question was kind of in line with what we've been talking.

01:32:49

So I did want to get to that one. Um, I know there were a bunch of other ones we couldn't address. I want to, I want to talk about a couple of things.

01:32:56

One, um, want to promote something real quick. Uh, there's, there's been an update.

01:33:02

Some of you guys may be aware in February, there's going to be a conference, uh, that be going to, um,

01:33:10

I'm trying to see if I can, uh, I guess I can't get the, this picture to show up, huh? Okay.

01:33:16

There's a, there's a conference on why Calvinism that's going to be put on by Open Air Theology Conference.

01:33:25

I'm telling people go to the conference. Well, what I was trying to do was show a picture because if you go out there, there's, there's a new addition, uh, to, to the conference and that picture would include a one,

01:33:42

Mr. Matthew Slick. Nice was just added as of today.

01:33:49

His picture was added. So, uh, so that's another addition. So if you go and search for Open Air Theology Conference, uh,

01:33:56

I encourage you guys to go check that out and to, to register to go that it, that is a good conference, uh, even though Matt's going to be there, um, you needed that pause for people to get it.

01:34:11

All right. All right. So let me, let me just shift gears.

01:34:17

Uh, we got like 30 minutes or so. And, and I want to touch on one thing that I said, we want it.

01:34:23

I want to talk in the, uh, in the news section in the beginning, but I knew drew had to go.

01:34:29

I want to talk a bit about this Jeffrey Epstein client list. This has been in the news.

01:34:37

There's a couple of things I think that would be helpful for people to understand, uh, with this.

01:34:43

So the big news was a whole big nothing burger. Right. Uh, did, was anyone, anyone surprised that Bill Clinton was named?

01:34:53

No. Was anybody surprised the dudes in a painting on a blue dress and Epstein's office?

01:35:01

No, nobody is surprised. Yeah. Um, was anybody surprised with, you know, uh, you know,

01:35:10

Prince Andrew, no, the, these are, these were known a long time ago. And this is what you end up seeing is you'll see that in, uh, basically what the, what intelligence groups will do is give you information that you already knew, but make it sound like it's something new and big, you know, and you read the news and what do they say that they make it look like it wasn't a big deal.

01:35:33

Actually. I think I can't remember if it was New York times. I forget which one I was reading. It was really funny because the way that they worded it, it was that presidents

01:35:42

Trump and Clinton were mentioned. And when you actually dig into it and see how

01:35:48

Trump was, Trump was mentioned by Jeffrey Epstein because he landed like in Atlantic city and said, let's go visit

01:35:54

Trump. Yeah. That that's, that's a big difference than, you know, someone 53 times being on the plane, going to islands where these things are happening.

01:36:06

They're the big difference, right? Trump was mentioned first and, and then it was like, as if let's just offhand a comment and, you know, and, and bill

01:36:15

Clinton was mentioned as 53 times, you know, wait, why won't you see anything on this?

01:36:23

Okay. So let me, let me just give some details. I'm going to let you as a listener who

01:36:30

I believe is very intelligent and would be able to put things together. Um, so what do you have?

01:36:38

You have somebody who by all accounts, no one seems to be disputing that Jeffrey Epstein was involved in human trafficking, providing girls for very wealthy people and videotaping things all over the place.

01:36:59

There is clearly records of videos that he had maybe using it for blackmail.

01:37:07

Maybe not. People wonder how he got all his money anyway, but I don't think it would be a stretch to think that this guy was using the videos he had to blackmail people.

01:37:20

Now, what did he, what was he doing? I'm sure he kept it as insurance, but what is it that Epstein provided for these people?

01:37:28

He provided influence. He provided the ability to get one person to get to know another person.

01:37:37

And he knew all these people. How did he know him? Because of what he was providing them with, but he kept his own insurance policy.

01:37:43

It's very interesting that, um, when he was arrested, uh, the

01:37:48

FBI went to his Island and his apartment and these different places, and they have admitted that they found video evidence, but because they went to an

01:37:59

Island that wasn't under their jurisdiction, the FBI left his residence without taking the video evidence, by the way, uh, they left the residence so that they can come in properly.

01:38:14

But when they came in properly, these videos seem to have disappeared in the days in between.

01:38:21

Imagine that. Imagine that. Well, I saw something today, man, that, um, uh,

01:38:27

I have to find, I was just looking for it, but I saw something today where somebody traced, uh, some history all the way back to when

01:38:34

Hillary Clinton was first elected Senator in New York in 1999, how JFK jr.

01:38:40

Was about to blow the whistle on some of this stuff. And then, well, his plane crashes in the ocean. And then they, they, they, they went back through from 99 all the way to the 2023 of the people who died under mysterious circumstances who were all involved in this.

01:38:55

Yeah. So to the Clintons, to the Clintons, yeah, there's, there's a lot of interesting things with people dying around.

01:39:02

They've, they've had more people mysteriously die than most mobsters.

01:39:08

Um, but, but here's the thing. So you see that these tapes that were used probably to blackmail people disappear.

01:39:18

Okay. Here's something to think about folks. Why was it that Jeffrey Epstein was given a sweetheart deal so many years ago?

01:39:28

Well, the person who was prosecuting it back then had said that the reason the deal was given was because he was told

01:39:37

Jeffrey Epstein was an agent of the federal government.

01:39:44

Hmm. What was he doing? We don't know. Was he, did the guy lie? We, we don't know, right?

01:39:51

That we don't know. But the question becomes who now has those tapes? Because guess what?

01:39:58

If Jeffrey Epstein was able to use whatever evidence he had to blackmail people, and now those tapes miraculously disappear.

01:40:09

Well, now whoever has those tapes can use them the same way.

01:40:16

So why don't I think that, uh, we're going to see anything come out with the list, like so many people are thinking, oh, the list is going to come out.

01:40:24

It's going to be devastating. No, it won't. It's never going to come out because whoever has these, these tapes, they don't want it to come out because guess what happens if it comes out?

01:40:35

They lose the influence they have to be able to blackmail whoever they want to blackmail, whoever is on there.

01:40:43

Okay. And so that's something that I just don't think we're going to see.

01:40:49

I mean, people are like counting so much that we're finally going to get to the bottom of it. I don't think so. Can we, can we just say how many times,

01:40:59

I don't know, in the last half century, we thought, oh, the corruption's finally going to be exposed and it never, ever, ever happens.

01:41:11

We need to stop doing it. Unless there is a massive, and I almost recalcitrant to use this word, revolution and the government literally is gutted stem to stern, things aren't going to change and if you think voting for your favorite politician in the next election will change that,

01:41:37

I got a beachfront property in Arizona to sell. Yeah. So, um, two last things

01:41:46

I was going to cover. Let me, let me, Christian myth asked this. He said it was a serious question, though, completely serious and not trying to ask a gotcha question.

01:41:54

What if spouse, this is back to the spouse and the adultery with the spouse says it's cool, or sorry, the, the, the pornography, uh, spouse says it's cool or married couples and engage, uh, indulge together, legit, uh, curious where you all would come down.

01:42:12

So the issue is that there's never that I've found never a time where, uh, it's one, it's both spouses agreeing.

01:42:20

It's usually one spouse agreeing and the other one just going along with it. Uh, and it, in almost every case

01:42:28

I know of, uh, it ends up causing nothing but, but problems. Um, so, so I know the argument is, oh, but they're all okay with it.

01:42:38

They're still acting out against what God's nature and what

01:42:44

God has ordained for them to be doing. And so saying, Hey, but we agree.

01:42:51

It's like saying, well, Hey, the Germans agreed to kill Jewish people.

01:42:57

So it's okay. I mean, that is the way that the Nazis argued when they were on trial to say, you can't say we're wrong because we said we all agree.

01:43:07

It doesn't matter because they're not the standard and a husband and wife are not the standard of how to behave within the marriage.

01:43:15

Ultimately it's God. So to mention your, your steward, you know, you end up stewarding your time, watching a product that, uh, is, is made with the purpose of objectifying and desecrating and, uh, doing harm ultimately, uh, to people made in the image of God.

01:43:35

Um, so that's exactly it. I cannot nullify the commandments of God.

01:43:41

I can't tell my buddy, Chris, who's a little younger than me and certainly much stronger, it's okay for you to take your rage out on me and just beat me to a bloody pulp because I'm masochistic and I don't mind being beat up.

01:43:51

I cannot do, I cannot nullify if he acts on that, he still sins. So if, if God has commanded you are not to look with lust, that is a sin.

01:44:03

No matter who agrees to it, I literally had someone by the way, tell me on Twitter, because I was engaging in a conversation with someone else about this feminist lady who was, uh, you know, had zero problem with her husband watching porn.

01:44:20

And I said, yeah, right. And she says, Oh, I watch it with him. And I was like, you know what? I am not engaging with you further.

01:44:26

She got muted, but she, you know, even if you can truthfully, honestly say, and there may be because we are a very twisted people these days that there are men and women who think that it's perfectly acceptable to engage in the watching of pornography together.

01:44:45

You have violated the commandment of God. God has said, you are not to look with lust on, you're not to look with on lust with anybody, but your own spouse.

01:44:55

And that, that intimacy, intimacy is for the two of you alone, no one else to know about that's for the two of you.

01:45:03

And it's a husband and a wife just to clarify because, Hey, well, what about, you know, two women or two men? That's a sin too.

01:45:09

Um, it's not a marriage. And so therefore, no matter how you slice it, you are committing a sin.

01:45:17

There's no way to, to personally nullify. Oh, it's okay. If you watch it because I say so.

01:45:23

No, God has said no. And it's short. So, so he says, and then part of this is,

01:45:30

I think is going to be, um, you know, he says, thanks for taking my question, but, but like dot, dot, dot, the

01:45:38

Jews didn't agree dot, dot, dot, because both parties have to agree. I don't think it's a reasonable analogy, but I take your answer at face value.

01:45:47

Okay. So, so I'll, I'll agree with that because he's right in the way he's trying to use the analogy.

01:45:52

So then let me ask Dan, let me ask you this. Can, by the way, he did say much earlier,

01:45:58

I think he said I could use his name. So, um, so, so, and I forget the case, but there was a case where, uh, a guy had, had put out online that he wanted to be eaten.

01:46:12

He wanted someone to kill him in, in have, have sexual relations with him, kill him and eat him.

01:46:17

And another person said, I will do that for you and did that. And he was on trial and sentenced to jail for killing the other person.

01:46:29

Okay. And eating, but they both agreed. So the question for you,

01:46:34

Dan was, was the court wrong in doing that because they both agreed or was the court right in saying that even though this guy posted that he wanted this and someone said,

01:46:46

I will do that, that they said it was wrong. Now I'm going to say they knew it was wrong because of the nature of God, because they know right from wrong that way, the same way you do,

01:46:59

Dan, the same way I do, and all of us here, we know it because we know that that's why

01:47:04

I say you're a professing atheist. Because as I told you before, you know, God exists, you suppress that truth and unrighteousness, but all of us know he exists.

01:47:15

And so we get our standard of right and wrong from his nature. And, and so, um, let's see,

01:47:23

I'll just see what he says. Uh, uh, I'm open to being convinced otherwise, but I don't think someone can, uh, can consent to being killed absent, uh, some specific factor that would cause their death anyway.

01:47:39

Well, in that case, he, they actually had the ad he put out there asking for someone to kill him and eat him.

01:47:49

So, yeah, I, yeah, there's, uh, some, some podcasts you could listen to.

01:47:56

If you want to get really creative, you know, dark net diaries that you, you get to hear strange things that happen, uh, in the world, uh, podcasts.

01:48:05

Thank you. I'd rather listen to Bigfoot maybe. Cause that's fantasy there, Chris. Don't kick it over this

01:48:13

Chris, like it was bad enough. No, really, really get a

01:48:18

Bigfoot mug. It was bad enough being on Echo Zoe. And for folks that don't get this, go listen to Echo Zoe, the

01:48:25

December episode where Fred Butler and I always do an end of the year thing with, with Andy Olson from Echo Zoe radio.

01:48:32

And I just, I'm still can't get over that. Fred Butler really believes

01:48:37

Bigfoot exists. And then to find out Chris, who thinks he's captain America anyway,

01:48:43

I have said many, many times,

01:48:49

I am not captain America. I am a captain America groupie. I am old out of shape. Captain America groupie.

01:48:55

You, you, you on your own show have said, Chris, Chris is captain America. Did you even fit into your captain

01:49:04

America suit anymore? I can hit that. Choose not to. There's a reason

01:49:10

I'm going back to the gym now. So you gotta be watching Mr. Huff's, uh, you know, things and I really don't like feeling like ashamed of myself when

01:49:20

I watch him do those cool exercises. It is hard, man.

01:49:25

I don't doubt it. I went to, I went to the gym this morning. Good. No, I am not insane.

01:49:34

Like you. Sorry. I will tell you, I'll tell you this much. I will say this, even though I'm getting to a point where, uh,

01:49:41

I'm really hating start, started to really hate, uh, Emile's Wayne, who is the one that was telling me about, but then

01:49:49

Dan Bongino and Dana White, I was listening to them and, and this, that's what got me to go, okay, let me check this out and see that there seems to be a, you know, like, and I, I do sauna therapy, so I do heat, heat therapy in sauna.

01:50:02

Very good for you. Uh, and I know that there's a lot of science between the doing sauna and ice therapy together.

01:50:09

Um, but yeah, um, I'll just say I hate the cold and I'm starting to really not like easy.

01:50:20

I refuse. There's not enough money in the world. You are very much alert.

01:50:26

I mean, you do it and it's like, I mean, okay. The first two minutes, the first time I had my wife there, like just in case something bad happened, but it was two minutes me screaming and being like, yeah, it does.

01:50:40

It does a lot of things for you. Mental health, right? It helps you. Okay. I can push through this.

01:50:45

Okay. 11 minutes a week is what they recommend total. Um, depending on where, you know, what, what your goals are, but Andrew, you're saying 11 minutes a week, like three to three to six minutes a day is what, yeah.

01:50:58

Okay. So, you know, okay. So times five days, 15, 15 minutes. Yeah. I mean, if you do five minutes a day, seven days a week, five minutes.

01:51:08

Yeah. Okay. So minimum 11 minutes in the minimum. Okay. Okay. Right. So, so first thing in the morning, it releases what's called brown fat, which is fantastic.

01:51:18

It's, it's fantastic for your nervous system. Uh, joints, you know, ligaments, all that stuff.

01:51:23

Um, so what they say is if you're going to exercise, do the cold plunge first. Start with that. Start with getting cold.

01:51:30

Do your, do your fitness. And then the sauna. Yeah. Um, right afterwards. Well, you can do all that, but I don't have a sauna and I've been getting in a, just a cold bathtub.

01:51:41

Okay. So, so here's the thing. So you can get a, I think my, my sauna that I first got was, uh, the one

01:51:48

I got when I got, it was like 140, 150. Yeah. And it's not like 180, you can get an infrared.

01:51:55

It's not going to be the best. It doesn't, it doesn't have a consistent temperature, but. It's better than nothing gets up to 140 degrees.

01:52:03

Uh, so it's just this portable thing you can get on, on Amazon. If you're really interested in it, uh, just email us info at striving fraternity .com

01:52:11

and I'll send you a link, but it's just, I think it's, it's a weird looking thing. I'll admit it.

01:52:16

It's this little box. He's sitting in a chair, your head sticks out, your hands stick out. I sit, I'm working on the computerism standing, sitting in the heat.

01:52:24

They have a standup one now. I think it's neurotropic is the company, but they have a standup one that you build it and you can get into it.

01:52:31

You, you can, I mean, you're fully in it. Um, you build it, do it. And if right now,

01:52:36

I don't know how long the sale is going on, but if you buy that, they are including the portable cold plunge tub thing.

01:52:44

Yeah. For free. I just want to clarify. Andrew thinks I'm bizarre because I enjoy watching stuff about Bigfoot.

01:52:51

He is willingly freezing himself to death. It's good for you. And his neighbors are here hearing him scream for you.

01:52:58

Okay. Now let's see if Chris is going to still continue with, with his line of argument.

01:53:07

Why is Andrew doing this? Very simply, Chris, I love my bride.

01:53:13

I love my bride too. I'm not freezing. I want to be healthy for her and live longer to take care of her.

01:53:20

And that's good. And blood pressure. Yeah.

01:53:27

Well, you know, if you're in great health and you know, then fine. But you know, my health issues.

01:53:33

This is so, so there is, uh, I'll just say if you want, if people do want to look into the science behind sauna and, and some of the things like the ice, ice therapy, uh,

01:53:43

Dr, uh, Rhonda Patrick, uh, has a whole lot of stuff on, uh, heat therapy, what it does is as, as far as the, uh, the growth hormones that it, it creates,

01:53:55

I mean, so it'll reduce your, uh, the, uh, if you do it consistently right temperatures, uh, reduced chance of cardiovascular disease,

01:54:06

Alzheimer's heart attacks by like over 60%. And so those are serious numbers when you add the ice plunge and there's people,

01:54:15

Chris, that what they do is they go from the sauna to ice plunge, sauna to ice plunge, sauna to ice plunge.

01:54:22

So it's like, I think 10 minutes of heat to, you know, uh, two minutes of cold and, and you do several rounds of that.

01:54:31

I don't know that I'll do that. Um, I've done the sauna and then I go take a cold shower and I'll tell you this, the cold shower after, you know, 20, 30 minutes in the sauna is not as cold.

01:54:45

Go into the, into a cold shower just by itself. So, but it is supposed to be really healthy for you.

01:54:52

Uh, and we'll see how, how, how I do. I, I'm not willing to buy a cold plunge yet.

01:54:58

Um, you know, I will get expensive. Well, it's well, so my niece built her own, she got, she got a freezer, a deep freezer that, you know, she got something she, so you just, you need some to circulate the water unless you're going to, you know, the bathtub makes it really easy to just empty the water, fill it back up.

01:55:21

And, and just the tap water is 55 degrees. That's close to what you want. Um, but then when you, you know, yeah,

01:55:29

I mean, you want it under 50, um, is what they say now, what I've heard is that once you go under 50, it doesn't matter how much you go under 50.

01:55:37

Right. It doesn't feel any different. It doesn't feel any different. Whether it's like, there's not any 37. It doesn't.

01:55:43

Yeah. So the optimal, I think was 48. And after that, you're not getting any more health benefit at 39 degrees.

01:55:50

Yep, exactly. Yeah. So there's this company out there called plunge by the way. And this is all they do.

01:55:56

They have, it looks like a giant, the bottom half of a deep freezer, but it has the water circulator in there.

01:56:03

It's always clean. So when I told him $6 ,600, yeah.

01:56:10

What I told my niece was when she built hers, I was like, just, just take a piece of rope and put it to the handle of the freezer so that you're not like jumping into the, into the plunge and going, ah, this is cool.

01:56:22

Then having the top knock you unconscious. And, you know, someday later your parents will find you. She keeps the top open when she's in it.

01:56:30

Well, yeah, but it doesn't mean that it can't fall. Sure. Well, open like to where it's all the way.

01:56:35

Yeah. But still it's, it's all the way, but it's upright. And so if she goes hinges on it, then where it opens, just take a rope and just tie it to the wall, you know, something like that.

01:56:46

Yeah. So, uh, but yeah, we'll, we'll see if I can survive this. It would be fun. Uh, but it is

01:56:53

Chris, it is a, they're saying it's a really good way to earning a Brown fat loses your weight.

01:56:59

Very great. It helps with joints. And I mean, especially as you get older, uh, my buddy, uh, DJ likes to say on the wrong side of 40.

01:57:06

Um, you, uh, you, the joints start hurting, especially if you're training and you're active, you start and you start feeling it.

01:57:12

And that's, that's a great way to, to activate recovery. Enjoy.

01:57:18

Okay. Aaron Stagner says this. If you're still talking about deep freezing, deep freezing, please tell people to go ahead and take the plunge and buy it.

01:57:36

He's a pun master, that guy. So, um, Oh man.

01:57:44

All right. Well, I think, I think, um, I, we, I know that there's been a ton of comments in the back.

01:57:50

I know that, um, I, I had someone that asked the question we never got to, uh, you know, based on, uh, uh, it's a couple of passages in, uh,

01:58:02

Chronicles with, uh, Benjamin's children have to try to get to that next week, so if we can,

01:58:10

I have a feeling like a, what we'll probably do next week, uh, is we'll probably get into covering, uh,

01:58:17

I'm going to look to hopefully get some of the remnant radio podcast, uh, do, uh, to at least review a couple of those and, and maybe engage with some of the arguments they make, uh, to justify or defend, uh, the continuation of gifts.

01:58:35

And so hopefully we'll, we'll have some of that to actually, since they won't actually debate me, we'll actually engage with what they're saying.

01:58:44

Well, we're not afraid to listen to their arguments. So, and, uh, and we'll see maybe

01:58:51

Dan, if he's still there, maybe Dan will come in one day and we'll continue more conversations with him. Um, that, that was fun.

01:58:57

So with that, I think that's what we'll call it a night guys. Thank you very much for coming in and, uh, and adding your wisdom.

01:59:06

And we're, we'll hear you're trying to get your, your, your thumbs up thing working now and now it won't. And so someone, another atheist we haven't heard from, from a long time,

01:59:17

Michael, the Canadian atheist, Andrew, happy new year, a long time. No talk. Hope you're well, same, same to you.

01:59:25

Um, and, uh, I keep trying to click. Oh yeah. Someone's saying someone's complaining that how many people complain when they don't hear ads?

01:59:34

You know, you guys should look through their comments. Everyone's like, what? No, no. My pillow commercial. No, we go by my pillow, you know?

01:59:40

Yeah. Go buy my, if you're asking, you know? Yeah, exactly. Uh, so Dan says, uh, that was fun.

01:59:49

If you, if you have a topic I can contribute to constructively, uh, and I'm not at work, we'll see.

01:59:55

So maybe we'll do that. Um, so, all right. With that next week, we'll probably deal with, uh, topics dealing with, uh, continuationism and cessationism, uh, unless something else comes up.

02:00:07

But, uh, we'll see you next week. And remember to strive to make today and term day for the glory of God.