Christian Calendar Girls and Modesty

You start with the immediate context of what it's saying because that's where it's giving the definition of the

words, the terms, things like that.

Then you branch out to, you want to go chapter, you can do chapter, but chapter breaks are not inspired,

neither are verse breaks, but you break out from that.

So you want, if you have something that is a section where you are starting to, where as we are

looking at, you have something that is supporting.

Well, you're going to start with, well, what's this supporting?

That's the immediate context that right there in that part.

So you're going to use that because we're in the sentence structure may end up helping us to see how a word is used,

what it's emphasizing, what's it supporting?

Is it being used as an illustration or as a literal?

Things like that.

Then you branch out and work your way out to a book.

You can end up then going, if you're looking at specifically a word, you're going to then want to look at how that word is

used by the same author.

Because the author may not use the word the same way.

You then can break out into how the word is used elsewhere in scripture.

But just because a word is used several times one way by many writers of scripture doesn't

mean it's being used the same way every time.

And so that's why the immediate context is so important.

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We are live, Apologetics Live, here to answer your most challenging questions about

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We can answer any question that you have about God and the Bible.

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You come in, you give us some challenging question, and I go, I don't know.

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I'm going to bring in my co -host here, who is only with us for about 45 minutes, Mr. Drew Vonita.

Howdy, howdy, howdy.

That seems to be my favorite answer to any Bible question is, I don't know.

And it gets me out of like, especially like on Twitter.

I don't know.

Oh, that's okay.

You're right.

Yeah, I don't know.

Hey, well, speaking of Twitter, wait, X, it's the X Twitter.

Yeah, you know, that's what happens when you leave Twitter, right?

You're X Twitter.

Supposedly, people on Twitter that respond, did I just see a little child run past you?

Wow.

And trying to see how fast he or she could go.

Well, we only have voice for now.

Yeah, but he is.

He's very fast.

Yeah.

So supposedly now they've they've made some changes and we will be able

to supposedly put up comments that are put on Twitter.

So if you're watching us on Twitter, we now StreamYard should have that where we would be able to

to see those.

OK, now we only have Drew for 45 minutes.

We're going to change things up.

We are going to I was planning on triggering Drew and making him around for longer and see.

But he's got some he actually has to go do.

So we're going to postpone the in the news section.

I'm just going to let Drew know he hears so he knows what he's missing.

We're going to talk about in the in the news section.

There's I don't know if any of you guys heard.

There's this big, big, huge news that the, you know, I've seen

pilot client list has been released.

Well, no, not really.

I'm going to tell you why the client list will never be released.

It may not be what you're thinking, but it's very simple to know what really is going

on there.

OK, I'm just going to lay the facts out.

I'll let you come to your own conclusions.

You'll know the real reasons by the end of the show, because we'll end with that.

You know, which, you know, we also may not be able to, you know, Drew will have to listen later to

find out how a woman could be raped in the metaverse.

Yes, that's a real case before court.

Yep.

We will talk about that.

Those are two things I had for the in the news section, but we're going to wait on those.

So Mr. Hunt holds is saying chat is active on Twitter for streaming.

Supposedly, I got a message saying that now StreamYard is working with X

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We usually see the ones on some Facebook Facebook pages, I think it is.

It's an age, but YouTube is the one that seems to work the best.

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And Jason Cave says, how about them dogs, Brother Drew?

That's right.

So now let me explain here, Andrew, because you don't understand this.

I didn't know you have a dog.

I do, but he stays way back in in the backyard.

The Georgia Bulldogs won the Orange Bowl against Florida State University, and they didn't just win.

They demolished.

Oh, you mean like Trump won in 2020 demolished, but so they know sort of, but not

the same.

Yeah, sort of, but not the same.

So the Bulldogs won 63 63 to three.

And it's actually a football game.

Yes, yes.

So it wasn't like basketball where you get like 63 points scored.

Wow.

And this is it's making all the Georgia people upset.

You get like 70 or seven points, right?

If you score a touchdown and get six points for a touchdown and an extra seven points, right?

Make seven points.

So they did like almost nine.

Wow, that's a lot.

It is.

That's embarrassing.

Yeah.

And but the thing is, is it's making a lot of Georgia people upset because we had the

best record in NCAA, but we don't get to play for the national championship.

And that has to do with all the politics and the NCAA.

And so now we being the best team don't get to play for the national championship.

And we have to watch all the other teams that are not as good as us.

Well, I mean, since you're talking about dogs, Eric Mancini is saying that Frank Mullis has cat calendars.

So I guess that takes some explanation on who Eric and Frank are.

So many folks here know Frank Mullis because Frank Mullis was one of our speakers at Striving Fraternity.

Eric Mancini is his nemesis.

And he's not only a nemesis, but a nemesis with a cat.

That's basically what it is.

And so, yeah.

Actually, speaking of nemesis, look who we have here.

It's Mr. Honnels himself, the nemesis.

There we go.

You know, I know why he's actually here.

Why is that?

Because he's afraid we're going to steal all his material for Voice of Reason Radio.

And he wants to come in and make sure that he can claim that he was the originator of what we're going to talk

about tonight.

And so when he says it on his show, he says, well, I was on Apologetics Live, but I had it first.

All right.

He brought all his show notes because, Drew, you and I both know that he comes with show notes to his show, right?

That's true.

Yes, yes, yes.

So welcome, Chris.

Let me just say.

Now, the reason this show came about is Andrew called me the other night and we were on the

phone talking about it.

And I said, well, hey, why don't we do this?

Because it's a big thing in the Twitterverse right now.

And there's some backlash from supposed Christians about this very topic, which is kind of

odd.

OK, so they talk about the topic.

And then I'm going to talk about what I called you about as well, because we should start with that, too.

And I didn't know about this.

I'm not on.

And it's not the Twitterverse.

It's the Xverse.

I mean, come on, get up with the Times.

So you were telling me how in the Xverse there is a whole bunch of brouhaha about the

fact that there are there's a calendar of conservative

Christian women in bikinis.

I will admit I know nothing of it.

I didn't see the calendar.

I don't plan to see the calendar.

So I don't need to know much details about the calendar to talk about the topic of modesty.

OK, so for the record, I leave looking at the immodest women to Drew.

Well, you're the one that knows all about the calendar.

I knew nothing.

Just because I know about it doesn't mean I've seen it.

Which, by the way, I have not seen it.

All right.

So here's the thing.

Here's what I called you.

And I want to let folks know what we plan to do, not every single week on Apologetics Live,

but probably many of them this year.

I'm going to have you guys help me with some of my debate prep for my

debate with Michael Brown on the charismatic gifts.

There is a show.

Now, I will say I have yet to listen to episodes from them, but I've downloaded about 60 or

70 episodes to start listening to.

And we're going to review them here throughout the year.

It's a show called Remnant Radio or The Remnant Radio.

They're charismatics from what I gathered.

Why are we going to review?

Well, one of the things is they claimed, as was shared to me, these clips that they

are willing to debate the issue of the continuation of gifts with anyone that's willing to debate them.

And I said, hi, here I am.

And you know what?

You know what I got back?

Crickets.

That's right.

Crickets.

Someone who challenged me told me how I'm a coward.

I'm not willing to debate them.

I said, I've offered the debate.

I contacted them through their page and, you know, the YouTube, and I haven't heard

anything.

Other people tagged me and said, Andrew's willing to debate you.

I haven't heard anything.

Now, for the record, I am a coward.

I'm afraid of these guys.

Granted, I don't know who they are.

They may be very good at debates.

I am such a coward, Drew, that I was I'm willing to debate a guy who has what, like 100

formal debates?

Michael Brown.

Yeah.

At least Michael Brown is man enough to take the debate.

Don't say you're willing to debate and then run from it and say everyone else is being the coward.

Okay.

When do the terms Andrew run or Andrew coward or

Andrew afraid of debate?

Do those words ever seem to go together?

My rule of thumb has been.

Why am I getting echo?

My rule of thumb has been where angels fear to tread.

Andrew goes.

Yeah.

I mean, so what we're going to do is since since they won't debate me, then what we're going to

do is we're going to take clips from their show and interact with them.

And so that'll actually help me in my prep for the debate with Michael Brown, which means hopefully

there's going to be some folks that believe in the continuation of gifts that you're going to reach out, come on the show, and we're going to have good

dialogues.

And that way we could discuss these things.

And and hey, the worst is, is that the arguments that Michael and

I make are going to be much better and it'll be a much better product for the Christian community.

That's one of the things I will say before we get into the topic tonight.

I was really glad about when I did talk to Michael Brown about the debate, the fact that he

he and I both had a strong view that we were getting some getting some echo from

Chris, I think.

Yeah.

Yeah, I muted you.

So you can unmute when you get figure out your tech.

So both Michael and I were very committed to producing good content,

to have a debate that doesn't have name calling, isn't doing all that, but being

able to have something that will be useful for the body of Christ.

Facebook user says y 'all got Buddy the Elf on.

Now, I would like to say that that must be Haps Addison because, you know, Haps is always the one

that likes to be Facebook user.

But he's he decided a good time to do the passing the torch

classes would be during apologetics live.

Haps, what in the world, man?

So I responded as he said, hey, we're going to start classes.

And I'm like, yeah, well, it'll be real interesting when I have to teach the classes.

And I'm here just saying, you know, you know what I notice is

in.

Oh, it's Pastor Darren.

Pastor Darren Stid.

Oh, OK.

In Chris's brand new office setup.

He doesn't have any of his Buddy the Elf memorabilia, but I think he's

got some Ultraman all over the place.

He's got no, no, no, no.

He has Buddy the Elf cup hidden up and above.

You see?

See, he's pointing to it.

All right.

So let's let's talk about this calendar stuff.

And then we'll get to the in the news section afterwards to talk about some stuff that

that came up there.

So I'm not.

Look, I didn't know about the calendars until you mentioned it.

The.

This is not new to me.

I mean, I'm not surprised, I should say.

I mean, it's like this is this is yet again, probably someone who is at

least a professing Christian looking to act like the world, meaning,

hey, a great way to make money.

Everyone else does calendars.

Everyone else has girls in bikini calendars.

Let's do one with Christians.

The fact that as you shared with me some some of the stuff and seeing that there's people

professing Christians, professing conservative Christians that are saying, hey, it's not a big

deal.

That's actually kind of concerning.

And the reason is twofold.

One that gets me is one.

It says that the Christian community probably has been so influenced by the world that

girls in bikinis are probably not a big deal to them anymore.

Right.

OK, I think, you know, and it's not just and Chris, you're very active on on

X as well.

So it's not just now that he's retired, he's retired.

But it's not just professing Christians saying it's not a big deal.

It's professing Christians actually going on the attack and fighting

for it.

That's what makes it even more concerning, because it's one thing to just brush it off and say it's not a big deal.

So it's another thing to say it's not a big deal, but we have to have this or we must have this or

I'm going to fight for this.

And the thing is, is like so now I don't know if all of the the women on there

are professing Christians.

I know Riley Gaines, the Olympic swimmer.

I think she was an Olympic swimmer.

I don't know.

But we all know she's very active in the CRT trans type stuff.

Yes, she was a collegiate swimmer.

She's on there and I know she's a professing believer.

And so it's it's one of those things.

Let's let's stop you there, because this is what you and I talked about, right?

Right now, she's a swimmer.

Is it unusual for her to be in a bathing suit?

It's not unusual for her to be in a bathing suit.

No, when she's doing comfortable in a bathing suit, because that's where she's going to be photographed in

bathing suits.

Right now, it's one thing to be to in your sport, have to wear that in your sport.

Right, because something like swimming or running, the goal is to wear as little as possible or as skin

tight as possible so that you have less drag.

Right.

It creates less drag so that you can move faster.

It's another thing to voluntarily pose in as little as possible

for the sole purpose of marketing yourself or marketing something to men.

Yeah.

So the question is, is and this was the question when you mentioned her that I asked you is, was she in a

bikini?

Right, because that then is different.

She's not wearing a bikini when she goes to swim for her sport.

Right now, I think she's on the cover because that's the picture that's going around is the cover of

the of the calendar.

I think she's on the cover.

I'm not sure if that's her or not.

But yes, from what I understand, all the women that are featured in there in this

conservative.

And of course, we go, well, what are we conserving that they are featured, all

featured in bikinis?

Well, I think that's the real headache in all of this is that what does conservative mean?

Because once upon a time and I wrote something that I threw both on Twitter and on the blog is

that once upon a time, you know, the conservative political machine

recognized there was something objective about morality and that fed

into the belief system about why we wanted smaller government, why freedom and

liberty was important.

And as we began to become more consumed with just getting

elected, that objective morality became an obstacle.

And I remember as much as 10, 15 years ago, having a co -worker who said she

wanted to see the Republican Party jettison abortion and gay

marriage as a platform issue.

Because, you know, you know, we need to be worried about, you know, winning the election, number one.

And number two, you know, you know, everybody's going to have their, their, their different perspectives and all

this stuff.

And it's not it's not helping them.

And we went from having any sense of objectivity, objective morality

that drove why we believe what we believe to we need to win.

And you see that going forward, one of the biggest contributing arguments to

just this particular issue is, well, you know, all this stuff is, is not going to do you any

good if we lose and we can't address it if we're not in office.

So it's become an entirely pragmatic argument.

That's why they're aping the left.

They've unhitched themselves.

They've done an Andy Stanley.

They've unhitched themselves from the church and they see it only as a demographic to

get votes for, but they see no need for our voice or our, or our belief system.

And so what they're trying to do is all that matters now is winning.

That's the only driving factor.

So if it means aping what the left does and

accepting sexual immorality, which is what this is, then that's what they're going to do.

That's why they will partner with people like Dave Rubin, openly homosexual, who will rent the womb of a mother so that he can

have a custom -made baby.

That's why they'll congratulate him, pat him on the back, lift him up as an icon.

I think you did a podcast episode on that.

Yeah, we absolutely did.

In fact, it's going to be again.

But that's, that's the whole point is that, you know, the, the, the conservative

political machine isn't conservative.

Excuse me, Drew, you said it right on the head.

What are you conserving?

You might as well change it to something else.

You might as well just change it to not the left.

Call it anything but conservative because you're not, you're not conserving anything.

You're just simply trying to be an alternative, you know, call it, say we're not, Hey, at least we're not Democrats.

You know, that that's a little bit less, they're a little bit less left or less

Marxist, right?

Yeah, exactly.

I mean, and that's the thing.

It's like, what, everybody says, Oh, well, we need to vote in the right.

Why?

Yeah.

You want government solutions from these guys.

You're not asking for small government.

Why do you want them?

Well, we see it with, hold on a second.

What I don't want to do, I don't want to do exactly what you're saying, right?

It's so easy for us to fall into the political aspect of it as well.

And, and really, I think I want to at least start with more of a biblical view with this, because I

think that look what I see concerning.

And Drew sent, gave me some things with Twitter and I went and looked up some stuff and was like, wow.

Okay.

So it was interesting because there were comments about the fact that

you have some people who are defending this.

And some people are kind of calling out going, Hmm, it looks like you want these calendars.

Could it be you like looking at them, but you feel more spiritual about the fact

that they're Christians.

It's not bad.

And that seems to be some of the, what I was seeing in some people like, well, it's because it's

Christians.

It's okay for us to look at women, not properly dressed like that makes it okay.

But that is some of the, the, the issue of what I, what I ended up seeing.

And so, you know, as we look at that, I want us to just

address the issue first from a biblical perspective of modesty.

And I'm going to tell you right off the bat, I am going to accept, I'm going to upset many people

here, men included.

Okay.

Because I'm going to say something that when we talk about modesty, that is going to upset everybody.

I think, I know where, I think I know where you're going to go and I think I'm going to agree with it as well.

It wouldn't be Apologetics Live if you didn't offend all of us at some point.

No, no.

Okay.

So do you remember when we had Les and we, and we had everyone on talking about,.

I got the screenshot.

When we started talking about justification by faith and Andrew was talking about

basically disagreeing with us on the point of regeneration.

Not disagreeing with the Bible, but you.

I have the screenshot of everybody's face.

Hanholtz has this perfectly timed screenshot of all of us going, huh?

It's great.

Beautiful.

But to get back, so a lot of what Hanholtz was just

saying, we see, we do see it in the abortion movement, right?

We see, well, we just need to get these people elected so we can end abortion.

Then once we got them elected, it was, well, we just need Roe v. Wade to be overturned, right?

Then once Roe v. Wade was overturned, it was, oh, well, no one's going to vote for that.

We've got to gain traction and no one's going to want to vote for the abolition of abortion.

Okay, you're just continuing to push the goal post a little more, right?

But now what I'm going to say this, and I've said it before with my host,

Chris Huff, who's backstage, and I said it when we were talking about when we did our episode on head coverings on Matter of

Theology, and it was people don't realize the American

church, they don't realize how influenced by feminism they are because this is

very much an influence of the feminist movement that came in that told women, you can do whatever you want with

your bodies and you don't have to cover.

It's the men who need to just control themselves.

We're going to push that even further because, and this is where, as I mentioned, I'm going to bring in some

stuff from the news in the news section, but it's going to tie into this because there is

stuff that's going on with the third wave of feminism.

And we did an episode on that here sometime last year, early in the year, I think.

But where you look at the waves of feminism, where now the argument is, well, as women, we have to put ourselves out and we

have to have control over things.

I'm going to hold off on that because I really want to jump right.

I want to jump into some scripture here and see what scripture has to say on this.

And then, you know, make sure I upset some people.

Okay, I will upset them because, well, that's just the way it is.

But here's what scripture says.

First, Timothy chapter two.

I'm starting here in verse nine.

Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing,

modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and golds or pearls

or costly garments, but rather by means of good works, as is

proper for women making a claim to godliness.

Let's look at this.

He says he wants them modest.

He wants them being discreet.

Now, what's this whole thing with braiding your hair with golds and pearls?

That's we believe that as we look at the history that the prostitutes would braid their

hair with gold.

Now, keep in mind that in that at that time and even today, Jewish women would not

let you see their hair.

They cover their hair.

Okay.

It's a thing where to, you know, if they're sitting here and they braid their hair with

gold or pearls.

So it attracts the view of men.

Okay.

This is a culture where they didn't dress the way people do today.

So they had to use other things to gather, get the attention, and this would be their hair.

What we could say today is women should adorn themselves with proper

clothing, modestly and discreet, not wearing leggings.

I was going to say it.

Well, it's going to get worse than that.

So hold on.

We will get worse than that.

But what does it say here?

This is what is proper for women making a claim of godliness.

So if you're going to sit there and say, oh, you guys are just you're against women.

No, no.

We're being really clear.

What scripture says is if you claim you're claiming to be a Christian woman,

you're claiming to be a woman of godliness.

Then yes.

Yes.

This applies to you.

Now, one of the things in those comments, which was also really disturbing, is

you saw mothers defending their children in

dressing that way or being models.

Right.

Which also would lead to go that this also gains a father's approval.

Now, as a husband.

Now, my wife, she would never do that out in public.

Right.

And she does.

She makes that conviction on her own.

But at the same time, I don't want her dressing that way either.

And she knows it.

And also, not only do I not want her dressing that way, I don't want other

men looking at her in that way.

Let alone if I had if we had a daughter, I definitely would not want that.

So let me take this now to an issue that I see

very common within Christian circles on social media.

We look at women in modesty.

And a lot of people talk about what women should be modest in their apparel.

We agree.

I just read the scripture.

Hey, guys, you too.

I don't care how much weight you've lost.

We do not need to see you stripped down to your underwear in a before and

after photo to see how good you look.

Because the reality is what we have going on today.

And I know I'm going to quote someone who claims to be Christian but seems to be more Catholic.

But I don't know.

And that's Candace Owens.

She just did an episode today.

Where she makes the argument very well, I may say, made the argument that it's the women today that

are the perverts.

When you look at the third wave feminism, where has it led?

It led to your you're saying women shouldn't wear leggings.

Think about how many cases we see of women going to the gym, having things hanging out.

And then they get upset when guys look at them and they try to make a big deal.

They record it.

Right.

Oh, I'm a victim.

Well, Candace Owens had a woman that decided, you know, what's the difference

between leggings and paint?

And so she went to the gym wearing nothing but paint.

And a guy threw her out of the gym.

Good for him.

And she, along with a bunch of other guys who probably wanted her in the gym so that they could stare at her, were sitting there trying to defend it.

OK, so so the reality is, is don't tell me that the girls don't want to look at the guys bodies

either.

OK, so guys nowadays are doing this.

It's like we're doing a role reversal here where the girls are trying to be like, oh, we can flaunt it and it's

not a big deal, but it's the guys that we're looking at.

And so this is something we talk about modesty.

And I know you, Drew, you want to talk about the calendars, but I wanted to extend it because this is something I've been seeing

on social media a lot from Christians and who we would say are good

conservative guys.

Guys in our own camp, but what are they doing?

Here's what I used to look like.

Here's what I look like today.

And there's they're wearing less than some of the girls, probably in this bikini.

Chris Huff and I have talked at length about this throughout, probably, I don't know, the past

three, four years or so.

Oh, man.

Yeah, we've we've talked a bunch about this, a bunch about this.

And I have a lot of thoughts about this as well.

And let me say this.

Chris, you you post pictures of you working out in the gym.

Yep. Yep.

You do.

And that's encouraging to people.

I just post pictures of it, of an of a bathtub, a cold plunge.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A cold plunge.

That's that's.

You're insane.

He supposedly took.

I believe him.

I believe nobody.

Nobody's going to brag about doing a cold plunge unless they actually do it.

Trust me.

Listen, they're not.

You can ask my neighbors because I think they heard the scream.

Look, see, I don't I don't brag about it, but I've been doing this for

about six or seven months or so.

And that's in the shower.

I'll end my shower with about three to five minutes of cold water.

Yeah.

Yep.

And because it's because it's really it's really good for you.

Yeah. Yeah.

I don't get it.

Yes.

It's even it's even better than watching, you know, Buddy the Elf.

OK.

So but it was torturous to Chris Huff's, you know, you post

pictures or videos of you working out.

Yeah.

But in those you're not.

I mean, you're dressed.

I'm I'm fully clothed.

Yeah.

OK.

There's a big difference there.

And I'm very careful, by the way.

I'm very careful.

And this plays into it.

And I'm going to just let me just say this.

I'm very careful when I do that of angles.

Mm hmm.

And very, very, very careful on length as well.

Why are there balloons?

That's crazy.

Did you guys see that?

You were like this and you're probably using some crazy things.

Yeah.

You're using a new iPhone software where if you do certain like when Chris did the two thumbs up.

Yeah. Yeah.

It was like.

Yeah.

So. So.

But I mean, you have to be mindful of that stuff.

You can do it tastefully.

I mean, I know people personally and we all know people personally.

We'll put it that way.

Who?

Who?

Andrew, I think, you know, we're thinking of thinking about.

Let me just go ahead and say it like I understand that might be your job.

You might you.

That may be what the Lord has given you as far as a way to provide for your family.

But it can be done in a way that does not cause people to stumble.

I think of Paul's words in Romans 14.

I think of Paul's words to the church at Corinth when he's when he's reminding them to to not

do anything to cause a weaker brother or sister to stumble in any way, shape or form.

And of course, Paul's talking about what you eat, the meat that you eat, if you, you know, but but but the same principle

applies in this situation.

You know, going back to the Riley Gaines thing, a couple of things real quick.

I've been I've been sitting on this.

I wasn't going to jump in, but but I've been sitting on this for a minute.

A couple of things about Riley Gaines.

Now, I have not seen the calendar.

I heard about it like like Drew and Han holds like, you know, it was all over Twitter X.

And but my thing with Riley is, you know, appears to be a sister in the Lord.

She's done some fantastic work in the political arena and fighting for women's women's rights against

trans men that claim to be trans.

And because I like what Daryl Harrison says, no one is trans.

And they you know, she's done a fantastic thing there, professes to love the Lord Jesus Christ.

And she very well may.

But there's a difference between wearing a one piece bathing suit to compete in a

sport where your focus, your focus and drive is to compete according to the rules and to win.

And there's a difference between that and then posing.

I don't care how modest the bikini is.

I don't care if it's a one piece.

If you're posing in such a way that is provocative to have people look at your body, then what you are

doing is you're causing people to stumble.

Men and women, brothers and sisters.

And so with that, with the stumbling is because of the argument I can see people saying, Chris, is just

grow up, like get over it.

And so so here's the thing.

When we talk about men, same thing.

Yeah.

Oh, well, come on.

Girls aren't going to be girls aren't like that.

It doesn't matter.

Yes, they are.

They absolutely are.

So and here's the here's the thing, man.

Here's here's the thing.

Like I like in the stuff that the reason I post workout videos is to

is to promote the program that I've been doing for over a year and what those guys are doing and

and to encourage anybody who would see that to stay active, to get active.

But at the same time, I've gotten messages from people that I have to block.

And then I show those messages to my wife.

I show those messages to my buddy, Alex, who's keeping me accountable with stuff like that.

They've got my logins to my social media so they can see that stuff.

Like, but yeah, women aren't doing that.

Beg to differ.

Yeah, absolutely are.

So my thing is like this, like, yeah, OK, grow up or or you'll have people that

use this argument.

Well, just because someone's a weaker brother and sister doesn't mean they can use their weakness against me and prevent me from

doing what I want to do.

So you're absolutely right.

It's twofold.

It's not either.

It's both.

I know it holds.

I want to say something, but just to give some some statistics or data behind what you said.

So some people may know I used to work at a addiction recovery center as a counselor.

We had just men at the time.

We were adding a woman's program.

So a bunch of research went into adding women's because women's addiction and men's

addiction become different.

Interesting thing with women's addiction.

What was discovered is we had to have three women to a room.

Unlike the men, it's two to a room.

Why?

One of the things we know is that when people just trade addictions.

We also had to have the women so far away from the men because when the women switch from

drugs or alcohol, they go to sex almost every time.

And the reason three is because if you put two, one is going to dominate the other woman and you

can have problems.

Don't say they're not.

They're not prone to it because the tons of data in women's

addiction says otherwise.

Chris, go ahead.

I'm seeing comments in the YouTube comments addressing kind of what you guys are saying about the

stumbling, you know, a brother or sister.

And it's like, well, this isn't going to stop lust.

OK, fair point here.

Let me add to this, though.

What is Scripture's command and why is it given?

We are called to present ourselves in a specific manner.

Why?

On God.

Why is sexual immorality such a great grievous sin?

Why?

Why is it over and over again listed amongst the sins that if you continue in this, you are not

inheriting the kingdom?

It is because God has designed our bodies for a specific union between one man and

one woman in a lifetime monogamous relationship called marriage.

And that is the only place, the only place in which that kind of

revealing of the body is permissible.

So if you whether you stumble someone or not, whether lust exists in the culture or not,

whether people will lust or not.

God has given us a specific command about how we are to present ourselves because

marriage is God's picture of his of his relationship with his people.

And every single time we go, well, I can show off my body and it's

your problem if you look with lust.

You, sir or madam, are saying to God, my body is for

me.

It's not for God.

It's not to represent Christ to the world.

It's for me.

Now you've taken it out of God's hands.

You've given it to yourself.

And guess what?

You have created an idol.

So yes, to those in the chat saying, well, even if you're wearing a full burka, lust isn't going to stop anything.

You're right.

You are sinning against God.

Number one, if you lust.

Number two, if you present your body in a manner that is meant for marriage.

It's a pride issue.

Let me encourage this.

Truth Be Known podcast, one of the podcasters of the Christian podcast community, go and listen to their most recent one with

Gabe Hughes.

And here's why.

They got into talking about wearing a suit to church.

Why wear a suit to church?

And, you know, I think it was Gabe, either Gabe or Nathaniel, one of them was talking about the fact of you wear

a suit to work, but you'll wear jeans to church type of thing.

Like, so you'll get dressed up more for work than you do for the worship of God.

The idea behind is this.

And I was thinking about it as they were, as they were saying, if you knew your favorite

president, because, you know, if I just say the president is someone you don't like, maybe the president, the president is going to

come to church with you.

The president's coming to your house.

You're going to his White House to meet the president.

Are you going to dress different than you do at church?

Yeah.

Why would you do that?

You're going to sell everything you own in order to get a good suit.

Yeah.

You're it's, you know, there used to be a time where people would get dressed up to go to

the movies or to go to see a sporting event.

I mean, it was really funny.

My, my, my nephew's bar mitzvah.

We're sitting there and we had like four hours to kill in between.

Now, Chris on holds will get a laugh at this, but we had four hours to kill in between.

And so my son -in -law and my daughter, myself and my bride, we didn't

know what to do.

So my son -in -law wanted to go see some movie called End Game is a Marvel movie.

Okay.

Now, it was fun for me because I knew nothing of what was going on.

I completely ruined it for my son -in -law who had to explain the whole movie to me.

Literally the worst movie to have gone to with no, with no back.

Yeah.

So here's the thing.

We, we showed up.

Where were we at a bar mitzvah?

We showed up in, in a jacket and tie for me and my son -in -law dresses for the girls and

we go to get tickets.

And the lady's just looking at us.

The, the, the manager calls the front desk to ask where we think we're supposed to be.

And she goes, they're here to get tickets.

And I'm like, someone's calling you because we walked in.

He could, he was looking on the camera, saw us walking in suits.

And I was like, we, we got dressed up for the movie.

What do you mean?

Like we played it off that way, but that's what people used to do that.

The point being is the way people dress.

We know that that is a reflection on the view they have

of the event.

They're at what they're doing.

You have the president coming for dinner.

You're going to the president's house for dinner.

You're dressing different than you do to go play ball.

Yeah.

Or to hang out.

Why?

Because of the value that you put on the event.

Okay.

So now let me say this with the calendar.

So you're going to put yourself out there as a Christian woman or Christian period.

What is it you want people to see of you?

Your body or your godliness?

Your body or Christ?

Like in, in, in this, this goes back to something I was thinking about when you guys started.

And this is the main reason I jumped in is one of the reasons we're seeing what we're seeing

right now.

You didn't jump in because we triggered you.

No, no.

It's, it's a combination you guys hit on.

I think part of it, the third wave feminism, but it's also, and I think the bigger issue,

especially for those who would profess faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is this.

This is yet again, the rotten fruit of easy believism

when it comes to those who profess to be followers of Christ.

You know, it, it, it, it's, it's presuming upon the grace of the Lord.

It's not fearing the Lord.

It's well, Jesus is my savior.

So there's grace there.

So, I mean, he's, it's for a good cause.

So I can do this.

I can pose.

I can, I can buy it.

I can look at it.

It's not that big of a deal.

But it's, it's, I think back to our Lord's words.

Why do you call me Lord, Lord, and not do what I say?

I mean, it's, it's a question that we all have to ask ourselves each and every day.

But, but this is, I mean, you have professing believers defending this when you have,

be careful here.

When you have people who claim to be reformed and they come

and you say, Hey man, what's your shirt on?

Put your shirt on.

And their response, their responses.

Oh man.

I look at someone's got a problem with it.

That's on them.

I don't think so, man.

Like it's cover up.

Like you don't, you don't know, like you have a response.

Like, here's the thing too, about social media and here's the, you know, um, we think

about this and everybody's always like social media doesn't have, I've had, we drew and I've had people say this, right?

Social media doesn't have any influence.

You're just a blog.

You know, there's people trying to argue that social media has.

No, absolutely.

Absolutely.

Oh, absolutely.

So they're probably arguing that on social media.

No, no, no, no.

This, this particular person wasn't, but my thing is, this is like, you know, do you, or do

you not have a responsibility to steward any sort of platform or any sort

of influence?

And I hate that word that the Lord would give you, you know, Hanholtz you're approaching what?

10 ,000 followers on Twitter.

Like you have a response of, you have a responsibility to shepherd that well.

Well, here's the curse.

Talk about influence in social media, right?

The same person that said social media doesn't have any influence, but yet his

wife is a photographer.

Wonderful photographer.

Amazing photographer.

Got noticed because she was posting just family pictures that she took on social media and it

gained attention from a lot of wealthy people who would fly her out to do these big gigs.

Right.

So it doesn't have any, it has influence all the way even to someone's job.

Yeah.

I was just about to say that, man.

Today.

Today.

And this, I mean, I'm, I don't think anybody from my work is going to listen to this, but if they do, Oh, well I,

today I applied to a job where one of the responsibilities, one of the responsibilities

is managing social media and posting on social media, replying to

comments, engaging the timing of it.

When to do it, how to do it, et cetera, so on and so forth.

When I was doing the stuff for JT, that was a big deal.

The timing of our posts mattered.

The way we replied to the comments, when we posted things, how we posted things, all of that, all of that

plays into it.

So if, if, if that has no influence, are you kidding me?

Like, so, so if you're a, let's talk about guys for a second because we're all guys here.

I could take, I have before and after pictures of when I started doing the GBRS human performance program

in November of 22.

And I have pictures that I took January one.

I'm not going to post those.

That's my body is not my own.

My body belongs to the Lord first and foremost, and to my wife second.

Oh, there's a thumbs up.

So I'm not going to share that because out of the people who would, who would choose to look at that men

or women, I could cause them to stumble and I don't want to do that.

Well, let me say something because I'm about to have to hop off.

And if it, if it, if it ends early, I'll jump back on.

But those who want to defend

and make excuses for why we should be able to look at these things.

That's equally sin.

Oh, yeah.

So not just those participating, those who are defending it are equally sinning.

And the thing about lust, you know, Han holds, you brought up passages, Bible passages about

sexual immorality.

And one of the things that makes all of those sins unique is

sexual immorality.

And we're going to tie it to lust, of course, because that's what this calendar is focused on.

And all forms of immodesty are focused on lust.

When we, when we sin through sexual immorality or

lust, it's a unique sin because it's a sin against our own body

that the Lord says.

Right?

So it's not just we're doing it against something else.

It's not we're doing it just against God.

We're doing it against ourselves because we are also in the image of God.

But also, if we are married, who are we sinning against?

Your spouse. Your child.

Yep.

We're sinning against ourselves.

That's a good point, dude.

That's a great point.

You're also sinning against your children if you have children.

Yes.

So I said that.

I'm going to hop off.

If I'm able to, I'll hop back on.

So I'll see you guys.

So here's the thing that I think when we look at this is there is an aspect where,

you know, and I find it interesting.

We have a professing atheist who is,

you know, saying death protest too much.

Just admit you've Googled it.

It's fine.

That's the whole thing is that we haven't.

So sorry, Professor, but we haven't.

We didn't need to because the difference is that when you want to honor God,

you don't need to go and just satisfy your curiosity.

Right.

So this is the thing that that we end up seeing, though, that there's the two aspects that I mentioned

earlier that I see.

One is that there I think there's a lot of people who want to defend this sort of stuff.

And I'm speaking of defending women who are poorly dressed or men that are poorly dressed.

There is the aspect where some of them want to be able to look.

And they want to be able to feel like they're OK.

It's OK to look because they're Christians or they're just trying to show their their,

you know, how much weight they've lost or whatnot.

The excuses that people can make so that they can try to make themselves feel better about their behavior.

OK.

And I get that.

It doesn't mean everyone's doing that.

But there's the aspect of it where I think you have people who are

secretly wanting to look at it.

They they're they're wanting to feel it's OK.

But there's others who this is something where they start to justify

because, well, this isn't as bad as what's on the TV.

Now, when you've done that, I think you when you get to that kind of argument, what that reveals is you

don't even know the slippery slope that you've already fallen onto or fallen down.

Because now what you're doing is you're looking at the the filth of the world and saying, well,

we're not as bad as them.

OK, but that's not the standard.

Go pick up your Bible.

The standard is Christ.

So now here's the question.

Would you want Christ doing such behavior?

I mean, you want Christ to be like, hey, don't focus on godliness.

No, the reality is that this is an issue that

we get to sit there and say it's not the comparison of what Christians are doing compared to the

world.

It's what Christians are doing compared to Christ.

And so that's the thing.

What's the standard in which you're going to do this comparison?

Because if you're going to judge against the world, yeah, we can always look better than the world.

Right, right.

Well, I mean, and when you say that, man, when you say, well, at least it's not as bad as X, Y and Z.

Like I think of a couple of things.

My mind goes to Romans chapter two and verse four.

When Paul is saying that, or do you think lightly of the kindness, the patience, the

tolerance, the forbearance, knowing that the kindness of the Lord is what leads us to repentance.

And so because he just laid out these sins of Romans one, God gave them over that

judgment is coming on those who do these things and give hearty approval to those who do.

But then he launches into don't think that you're better just because you're not doing that.

And then I think about what we see in Luke 18.

And it says verse 13, but the tax collector standing some distance away was even unwilling to

lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his chest saying, God be merciful to me, the

sinner.

You know, that's the response.

It's not, at least I'm not as bad as X, Y or Z.

At least I'm not like that guy.

Well, no, I mean, okay.

Praise the Lord that you might not be, but that's not the, that's not the framework.

The framework is a wretched man that I am.

The framework is I'm a man of unclean lips.

The framework is, please God, be merciful to me.

Be gentle in your discipline and the grace of your discipline to me, the sinner.

Yeah.

And just add a little bit more to what you were saying, Andrew, the, we're not as bad as them.

I think another component of this, Christians who defend

inappropriate, let's just, even if you don't want to say, oh, they're not posing lustfully, let's just take that out.

Inappropriate pictures.

Why?

Because you have a conservative business using

these pictures to raise money for the conservative political movement to forward, you

know, that the conservative political agenda.

And you have Christians who look at this and go, we need to defeat the left.

This isn't near as bad as a lot of the stuff that's out there.

We need to grow up and act like adults because this is what people do.

And so rather than remembering scripture's command to not

be unequally yoked with the unbeliever.

And rather than remembering that the sovereignty of the Lord and that every political outcome is not up to us, but up to him

and that we are sojourners and strangers of this world and citizens of heaven first.

Keep going.

Amen.

It is yoking ourselves with unbelievers who have jettisoned

any pretense of Christian morality, any kind of Judeo Christian ethic and

have justified their behavior for social political gain.

We are so consumed that we have to beat the other side, that we are willing to

deny, tolerate, affirm and celebrate immoral, inappropriate

behavior on the part of professing Christians even.

And from what I understand, not every person was immodestly dressed.

Some were dressed like 1950s housewife, I think is what somebody said.

I don't really care.

I mean, if there's one picture, it's one too many.

And if it's, if it's specific, you know, how about creating a calendar that was celebrating

the nuclear family?

Well, that's not going to sell.

Why?

Because dads aren't going to put it up in their garage to look at a loving nuclear

family.

This was, this was, you know, made for a specific reason for give guys something to look at.

And so it was, it clearly had a specific agenda in mind, whether all the pictures were

inappropriate or not.

So Christians are now not only defending it, maybe because they want to look at it, defending it

because they've become so wedded to worldly thinking.

They don't see the problem with it, but also because they have wedded themselves to a political movement that

doesn't want anything from them, but their votes.

And I didn't thumbs up.

Why did you do that?

And so it, they've, they've so wedded themselves to it.

They can't even see that what they're doing is dishonoring to God

because they've put the political movement first.

So that's, that's the thing is that you, you have this Christless, godless

political movement that runs on the fumes and the, and now at the vapors of Judeo -Christian ethic.

It says, shut up Christians.

We don't want to hear from you.

We don't want to, we don't want your belief system, but we want your votes.

So vote for us and partner with us and shut up.

And you bring that to the forefront.

And what happens?

Shush, shush, we need this.

You know, you're, you're getting in the way.

You need to be quiet.

You need to grow up.

You need to be an adult.

This is no big deal.

It is a compromise on multiple levels.

And what has happened is we forget that our first and foremost duty in this world is not to win elections.

Come on, man.

Here's the thing that I would challenge people with, whether they want to be in the calendar,

look at the calendar, defend the calendar or, or, or forget the calendar posts guys

or girls on social media.

Hey, look at my weight loss.

Look at my, you know, look at, okay.

So I'm just, I'm going to put them all in that category.

Here's the one question.

You're standing before Christ.

Is that how you want to be dressed?

I mean, that, I mean, that's what it comes down to because when we stand before Christ, are we

going to sit there and be like, oh, I I'm comfortable being dressed this way.

Or would I want to be dressed differently?

And if I want to be dressed differently, then do that all the time.

I mean, suit all the time or dress all the time, but would you

be willing to stand before Christ dressed the way you're looking to dress for social media?

Would you be, would you, and, and, and for those who are like, oh, come on, it's, it's harmless.

We can look at it or it doesn't matter.

Let me take that question to another, another two other levels.

Number one, would you look at something like that in the physical presence of Christ?

One, two, why are we going to celebrate,

join in the sins that crucified the Lord?

And would we be willing to engage in those sins, regardless of what they are at the foot of the cross during that

crucifixion?

Well, and this goes to what we were saying earlier about, you know, the, the steady diet of easy

believism.

I guarantee you, if you put that question out on Twitter and I'm calling it Twitter, I refuse to

call it X.

If I put it out on Twitter, you would have a massive number of people who would say, I don't see a

problem.

And, and, and, and in fact, our, our, our professing atheist, even though he doesn't like to be called that,

has said, well, why, why wouldn't I just assume I would appear in that form when I appear before the Lord?

The issue isn't that, you know, but the problem is, is most people won't think of it that way.

Most people will not recognize that the display of your body for anything other

than your husband or wife in a committed relationship for, you know, all your lives until death do you

part is a reflection of your relationship with God.

They've not been taught that they've not been taught that doing so doing so otherwise is sinful.

They've not been taught any of these things.

So they would think, Oh, well, sure.

I don't have a problem being dressed like Riley Gaines, or I wouldn't be, have a problem being dressed like the guy in the gym.

Who's got, you know, short shorts and a tank top that barely covers any of his body.

Why would that be a problem?

I'm not, I'm not doing it for anything, any reason.

And they're not understanding because they haven't been taught.

And that's the problem.

Why do we see this partnership?

Why do we see this willingness to compromise?

Because they haven't been told it's a compromise.

And when you try to tell them it's a compromise, then they get, you get the standard responses of your legalistic, your,

uh, your adding to scripture, your, uh, you know, you're a Pharisee, you're a Pharisee.

You get all of that because they're not being taught that because you have so many churches today who are

terrified.

And, or, and, or their consciences are seared to the point that

it's, they are not listening to that.

And, or they are ignoring the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

And, or how much time are they truly spending in their Bibles?

Getting to know the God they profess to love, getting to know how, I mean, earnestly seeking and

desiring to know what the scriptures teach and what they mean by what they teach.

In order to apply that to look more and more like, like the Lord Jesus Christ, which is the whole goal of sanctification.

Yeah.

I mean, the, the issue is I keep going back to it, but what's the standard, right?

And the, the fact is, is that you have, like you're saying, get, get in the

Bible.

Well, the, the fact is that they're looking in the world, they're in the world

or of the world, which one?

Because what we see is that if we're going to focus on Christ, yeah, we

may be in this world, but we're looking at what

Christ is doing.

Our Lord, our Lord prayed in John 17 that we

would be sanctified in the truth.

His Word is truth.

There are professing believers, a bunch of them, a bunch of them who, if I said to

them, Hey, let's open up to Colossians Chapter 3 and walk

through that.

Or tell me, tell me, what is the Lord teaching you through His Word right now?

Or let's talk about what it means to be a godly man, crickets, crickets.

But you say Donald Trump, you say 2024 election, you

say trans rights, you say anything, anything having to do with the gun

rights, anything having to do with any sort of political temporal topic

and they won't shut up.

And so my question is,

Matthew 7, many will say unto me, Lord, Lord, and

what is His response?

I never knew you.

That's a terrifying thought.

Does He know you?

Do you know Him?

Because if that's the case, you should want to be in this book, devour it.

And you should be wanting to share what's in that book.

You should be wanting to talk about it.

Look, I have a paper, every four years I post it, and there's one line that gets me in

trouble.

It's basically about Christians and political activism.

There's one line that seems to upset most people when I post it.

It's the line that I say that most Christians know the Republican message more

than the gospel message.

Amen.

And it upsets people.

And I'm like, probably because it hit home.

You know, and so the thing is,

and this is, I mean, and I'll just say, I see the comments going.

I can't even keep up with all of them to flag them to try to.

I know, I'm trying to do the same thing.

Yeah, I'm just going to say, you know, Creation Myths

says, I prefer extremely indifferent atheists rather than professing atheists,

because honestly, I just don't care that much.

Coming from a man whose YouTube channel is, oh, all about creation.

Yeah, that's why I don't believe you.

He says he's just here to keep an eye on Christian nationalists.

That's kind of his thing.

And so, you know, he was asked by Jason, he says,

someone who wants the U .S. government to impose their flavor of Christianity.

Oh, wait, professor.

You mean like you want the U .S. government to impose your flavor of Christianity?

I'll take Christ's version of Christianity.

The government can do their own thing.

Yeah, but let's remember, let's go back to who we're talking about.

And let's play a clip.

I want to bring you back in.

I want to ask you one burning question.

You're a biologist.

I have two biologists here.

I have a burning question that has been asked recently.

I'm wondering if you can help out with.

I know that this can't be answered by Supreme Court justices.

What is a woman?

Oh, you do not want me to go down this road because sex determination and development.

I mean, Dr. Jensen is probably more familiar with developmental biology than I am.

But that's a really complicated question, especially when you consider the complexities of human

biology.

Look, I actually talk in class about sex determination, chromosomal determinants, hormonal determinants, genetic

determinants.

What determines sex?

I see.

That's that.

There's no short.

There is no answer to that question that I could answer in the time that we have tonight.

Professing to be wise, they became.

It is a really complicated question.

So it's not a question of chromosome X versus Y.

One hundred percent.

No, no, no.

All right.

Ask me the question 12 different ways if you want, but you're going to get the same answer each time.

I don't think it's all that complex.

I would answer it very simply.

A woman is what God who created the women defines as God.

God created her.

He gets to give the definition.

So it's a woman is what God calls a woman.

And so as as he mentions here, he says, I don't want the government to impose any religion

except yours.

You want the government imposing your religion that can't even determine the difference between a

male and a female.

Don't don't tell us.

You're not.

Atheism is one of the most religious religions out there.

Yeah.

So.

So, you know, the reality is that what we end up seeing, you know, this is one of the things I find

quite interesting when we talk about the modesty.

This will get maybe go a different way.

But I remember I was on a college campus.

There were a bunch of people that were, you know, abolitionists.

They were addressing the issue of abortion.

I was doing some open air evangelism.

There was a woman that was very, very upset.

She had had an abortion because she was raped.

OK, here was an interesting thing that I asked her because I mean, I personally believe,

you know, all rapists should probably be hung.

But the the thing is that I asked her the question, what's your view

of pornography?

She had no problem with it.

In fact, she engages in it and watches it all the time.

I said, OK, so one thing we know is that every single

sexual predator has always says it starts there.

Their problem started with pornography and we don't want to eliminate

that.

And then we want to say, oh, but people should just control.

So, you know, not all the people that look at pornography go and commit rape.

But everyone that rapes started with pornography.

So don't say you're against rape when you're promoting the thing that helps to encourage it.

Right.

This is the thing people want their cake and eat it, too.

They want to be able to sit there and say, I want to live my life.

I don't want to have to change anything I do.

I just don't want you forcing your beliefs on me, though.

I want to force mine on you.

Right.

So when a records professor friend here is going to say about, you know, pushing

a religion.

I have a question.

And, you know, anyone in the chat, you can chime in.

Do you know any state in the union that has a law in the books that requires

everybody to go to church on Sunday?

Because if there was a Christian nation, that's what we'd be pushing for.

Right.

When you say that, you know, oh, you're pushing for a Christian nation.

People that were arguing against abortion were arguing it legally as well, because it wasn't

the argument that made it legal.

Was was taking the Constitution and twisting it to make it what they wanted it

to say.

Now, the reality is that no one's forcing anybody to go to church.

Nobody's saying that we can't have abortion because it should we should be saying that we

can't.

We shouldn't have abortion because it's the killing of a human being.

Right.

But the issue is that you're not seeing people arguing that you must do this because we're Christian

or that you must be Christian.

See, that's not the argument.

No one's being forced to go to church.

But we as Christians are being forced to have to celebrate LGBT nonsense.

And we can't figure out if you can't use proper pronouns that someone changes on a whim.

Somehow that is a wrong thing.

You're hurting someone's feelings.

You know, let me get to let me because this is going to play in well now at this point.

But so I mentioned that I was going to talk about the in the news section.

There is a woman who is suing because she was in the metaverse for folks who don't know the metaverse.

It's this, you know, fake world, you know, where you get into a virtual reality.

And a bunch of guys in whatever game or whatever thing they were doing, raped

her character.

And she is suing the men that she was playing a virtual game with

because it hurt her.

That she was virtually raped.

These are people that can't separate reality from fantasy.

OK, well, yeah, let's so there's a lot there.

Let me let me go back to something a second ago.

I was just flipping through scripture and let me address believers.

I know that, you know, we got this guy who's.

A professor and an atheist and all that stuff in there, but let me let me let me address believers for a second.

And drew a lord to this earlier.

Paul says in First Corinthians six and verse 18, flee secular morality.

We run away from as fast as you can, as far as you can.

Every other sin that a man commits outside the body is outside the body.

But sexual and the sexual immoral man bends against his own body.

Or do you not know?

Listen to this.

Do you not know that your body is a sanctuary of the Holy Spirit who is in you, who you have from God

and that you are not your own?

For you were bought with a price.

That price was the blood of Christ.

That price was the was was was his crucifixion.

Therefore, because you were bought with the price, because the Holy Spirit is lives inside of

you, because you are your bodies are members.

Paul says in a few verses before that are members of Christ because of that glorify

God in your body.

You believer like again, I just want to address believers for a second.

You are not your own.

You're you are a slave.

You.

Are are owned.

By the Lord Jesus Christ, if he truly lives in you, if you are among the elect

to think that you can do what you want with your body when you get good and ready.

Or to think you can do what you want with your body because you're lazy, because you're a sluggard

or because you're prideful.

There's the balloons again.

That's weird.

Is is is gross sin that needs to be repented of.

You are a slave of Christ.

You do not belong to yourself.

So let the world be the world.

Let unbelievers let those who are more concerned with conservative politics or politics in

general, they're concerned with what happens to this earth.

That's going to be burned up.

That is going to be vaporized.

They are not concerned with the one who can kill both the body and the soul.

They're only concerned about their body right now.

Don't be like that.

Go against the grain.

Commit your life to the Lord Jesus Christ.

And if there's sin you need to repent of as a believer, repent from that.

Let me let me go ahead.

Oh, just one more thing to that.

So we use your body to honor God.

Right.

So therefore, rather than being unequally yoked with those who

compromise and use sinful means to gain

sociopolitical position and power. We should be as Christians.

Not only speaking the truth, but modeling that truth to that world.

And if we're just speaking it and not modeling it, we're no different than the people that the Lord Jesus Christ

called out of the Gospels with their lips.

They honoring, but their hearts are far from me.

Go ahead.

Sorry.

Exactly.

We should be speaking and modeling rather than compromising because we are

more concerned.

And I know this.

Unfortunately, to our atheist friends, you know, dismay, we're not Christian nationalists here.

So I know this will get frustrating for my Christian nationalist friends, most of which have ended up

muted because they can't act like adults sometimes on social media.

But I'm going to get in trouble for that.

Just email voice reason radio.

You can hate me there.

But the thing is, is that when we if we're going to say and this is

going to make our atheist friend mad, if I'm going to as a citizen of a nation where

I have a right, I know this bugs him.

I have a right to call upon and elect officials to represent.

Guess what?

Me.

Then I get to I get to say to them what I want them to promote legally.

That's that's how a representative system works.

I know he doesn't like that at all, but that's how it works.

So I get to not only call upon them and vote for them, but I also get to tell them

as their constituency what I expect of them.

And if I say it's more important to win the election, so compromise away.

Don't worry about what God says.

Then I have done, as you said, you know, I'm the one who says, but haven't I done this and this in your name, Jesus?

He says you're far from me because you didn't obey me.

You didn't you didn't love me.

You didn't obey me.

You didn't do what I called you to do.

But if I say to that representative, sir, understand this first and foremost, you are a sinner before

God.

You've broken his commandments.

You are worthy of his wrath, just and righteous wrath.

But he has a way of escape for you through the shed blood of Jesus Christ.

His death, burial and resurrection promises you a way of eternal life.

So therefore submit to him in repentance and faith.

And by the way, now that you know that, you also need to know that God has commanded you to obey all that he says and

does.

And if you're in that position, sir or madam, topic for a different day of whether that should be the case, sir or

madam, then guess what?

You have to represent him as his appointed.

I did not thumbs up.

You're there to represent him as the official in which he has placed this trust.

And you have to do what he's called upon you to do.

And that means you don't promote sin.

You don't promote sin.

You don't.

You can make all kinds of laws that benefit people around the nation, but you don't promote sin.

So that's how we as Christians should be doing that.

And our atheist friend gets to vote for elected officials that can promote atheist values, how he justifies

those is a mystery.

But the point is, is that we both get to do that.

And we as Christians shouldn't be compromising our beliefs and our principles and the scriptures

to win an election when the people who don't want us to talk are trying to court us for our

votes.

Yeah.

And, you know, one of the things and you can go back, you know, several weeks, months ago when

we had Anthony come in and try to justify homosexual Christianity, that the Bible doesn't

teach that homosexuality is a sin.

And what did we see?

We saw someone that he got upset afterwards and his friends got upset because

we spent the time dealing with definitions of terms.

He's a guy at eight pages of notes.

I couldn't get to him because you couldn't stay with.

You want to say what the Bible says about something, but then you want to use non -biblical definitions for things like lust.

This is the problem is that, you know, like, you know, you have creation

myths here trying to argue for, you know, not pushing for

Christians, not pushing their religious views.

But has no problem with his views being pushed on us that somehow we got to

take them out.

You don't see any of this being argued for how the Koran teaches

homosexuality, do you?

No, they don't care about that.

They only want to attack Christianity.

And don't tell me it's not an attack on Christianity when you have, you know, people whose goals they

they explicitly say it, that their purpose is to mock Christians

and they're being promoted.

And supposedly, if you criticize them, that you're in the wrong.

You know, it's it just doesn't doesn't work that way.

Now, I will say this.

He did he did earlier post.

He said, you know, striving for training.

And thank you again for giving me slash us so much time to have the longer conversation on it.

It was really enjoyable because we had him come back and talk about his his view with, you know, as far as men and women,

you know, look, we're talking to him.

I'm purposely not using his name because, you know, you can go back to previous episodes and get the get

his name because he's not putting it there.

And so I try not to do that with folks, even if I know who their name is.

But but the thing being is, you know, what what we do here

is to give people a chance to voice their opinion.

We don't censor people here.

We're not in this show.

We don't sit there and try to say you have to believe exactly what we believe.

We'll tell you what we say, you know, what we think the Bible teaches.

That's what we're going to do.

But we're not going to sit there and say that everyone must believe

what we believe.

If you don't believe what the Bible believes, you're going to be held to God's standard.

And throughout tonight, what you've heard me continuously say is it's about God's standard.

All right.

I want to recommend another podcast for you to listen to on this topic as well.

Another one of the Christian podcast community podcasts that came out today was Squirrel Chatter.

OK, and he addressed some of these things as well and did an excellent job with it.

Be careful with that thumbs up there, Chris.

You guys on your iPhone.

See, I could do this all day.

There's a way to change it in the video settings, but I can't figure it out.

I'm trying to find it.

OK.

So, Chris Hough, you're not on an iPhone?

I'm on my computer.

Yeah, it's a Mac thing.

It's a Mac thing.

I'm on a Mac.

Is your software up to date?

Probably.

I keep it up to date.

So, I want to real quick address a couple other things.

Unless you guys have anything else you want to tackle with this?

No, not that I haven't already said.

Yeah, so let me do this because I won't get to everything that was in the comments.

So, sorry about folks, but I will address this one.

Melissa had said off topic.

I don't think it's so off topic.

It's not.

She said off topic, but I was wondering if you guys could address pornography in marriage.

If a spouse continues to engage in this sin, is it considered adultery?

My church was speaking on this topic.

Yes.

See, I'm going to actually say no.

Now, hear it out.

But I say to you, everyone who looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her

in his heart.

I know.

Put it in context.

Go ahead.

Context.

So, the adultery, right?

Is it a sin?

Yes.

Okay.

Is it committing adultery?

Yes.

Where I'm going to draw a line is, can you get divorced because of it?

Okay.

I think it's going to be a plus on that.

Yeah, this is an issue where it is not as clear,

I don't think, as some try to make it.

Here's why.

I'm going to argue this as someone who does counseling and have seen this, but there are people who

sit there and go, Oh, my husband looked at an R -rated movie.

I could divorce him now.

And they're using the issue of looking at pornography as a way of getting out of a

marriage.

Well, if that's the motivation, okay.

But I would say that if that's not the motivation, that you have one spouse that's engaging in that.

And there has been multiple attempts at reconciliation, multiple attempts like pleading and

working and counseling and everything else.

And there's just absolutely no repentance.

And that sin is not going to stay just looking at pornography.

It's going to grow.

Sin is never satisfying.

It always goes to the next level and the next level and the next level.

So I would say like, I mean, I kind of take the John Piper approach as far as

divorce goes a little bit.

I think obviously there are definitely biblical warrants for it.

But at the same time, like what God has joined together, let no man separate.

If it's to be a picture of the gospel from a man's point of view, Christ never leaves us.

We should never leave our brides.

I understand we have permission biblically in certain situations, but with something like this, number one,

yes, it's adultery.

Number two, yes, it's sin.

Number three, if it gets to that place where there's just absolutely no repentance and it's just gotten worse

and worse and worse, there's got to be other sins going on.

There's going to be lying, deception.

So let's follow it through logically.

If you are angry at your brother, it's murder of the heart.

Should we charge people who are angry at you with murder?

Hate, hate, hate.

Angry is different than hate.

Angry?

I can be angry with you and not hate you.

If there's vindictive hatred, like I hope he gets hit by a bus.

It's like if I'm angry at you, like, man, you really upset me.

You really, you really angered me.

That's different.

Yeah, I got it.

I'm going to, I want to go and look up the actual word there then to see.

That's a good idea.

I'll do the same.

Yeah.

And I'm sorry, folks are listening on podcasts and audios.

I'm just like your scripture, which you can't see.

So I'm going to, I'm just going to echo while you guys are looking stuff up.

I'm going to echo what my brother Chris Huff said.

Yes, it is adultery of the heart.

And I absolutely agree, Andrew.

To make the argument, well, he looked at something.

Therefore, that's adultery.

Therefore, I can divorce.

Is not what scripture is commanding and is not indicating, obviously.

The issue is, is that, you know, I think there can be an argument made.

That, you know, if you continue in lustful

behavior, where you're staring at pornography, neglecting your wife, neglecting

the love for your spouse, that neglecting, making no effort,

not even acknowledging the sin.

I think you're now, there's a point where it's eventually, you've abandoned your spouse.

You're engaging in ongoing sinful behavior of a adulterous

nature.

I think you can make, I think that argument can be made, but you're going to have to go a long way to get there.

I mean, it's not the same as, as I remember.

I remember counseling a couple where, you know, and we're not going to get into detail, obviously, but

the woman wanted to have relations and he preferred going into, you know, looking at magazines.

Okay.

And you're like, okay.

So the word here is, but I say unto you that everyone who is angry with their brother

is not guilty.

And so it's to be angry, to make angry, to irritate, to provoke anger.

And so the thing that I'm going to say here is that we use this term adultery as we do

with anger.

So if I'm angry with my brother, then should I be treated as a

murderer?

Right?

Because if the looking with lust is adultery, this is a standard

before God.

But if we're going to take that and put it into the physical and say, well, then if a

person is looking at pornography, then the spouse can divorce them.

Then should we put someone in jail for murder for being angry?

Right now, the reason I'm saying that is because I look, I'm not promoting

the use of pornography.

Okay.

I think that that has caused a whole lot of problems in our culture.

But I want to also say, I don't want to say, thus says the Lord in something that the

Lord hasn't said so clearly that I can say, thus says the Lord.

So the issue is like, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you guys outright.

I'm just being really careful to say, here's the context of it.

And being angry with your brother is in the same context as looking

with lust.

And so if we say that the one is equivalent to a

physical act, looking with lust is equivalent to a physical act of adultery, not the heart

motive, but the consequences to the physical, then should it be the same for being angry?

Right.

And again, I agree.

I think you have to be, there's not going to be a hard and fast point where you can say,

well, this is adultery.

So therefore divorce your spouse.

But I think especially as you say, this ongoing issue of counseling and just a

repetitive engagement, not just in lustful looking, lustful thoughts, but

in a neglect of the spouse to the point of, as you said in that one session, we're referring to one session,

like actually not even engaging in the act of the spouse because you've done that.

I think you have, there's a point where you're going to

potentially make that argument, but there's going to be a lot

involved before you ever get there.

I think of one where somebody said, well, what about an abusive spouse?

Because the Bible talks about either abandonment or sexual immorality.

It doesn't talk about an abusive spouse.

And as one person, I think one church was, they basically viewed it as if you have this, if you have

this ongoing abuse, there's an argument for the abandonment of the spouse, abandonment of the family.

And so I think there's, but you're going to have to get to that place where you can

say, we, there's, there's literally, you know, nothing we can do to,

to, to show that there's any possibility of reconciling this.

This, this is how grievous the sin has become.

I'm with you on that, Andrew.

I don't think you just arbitrarily say, well, since it's a lust of the heart, and therefore

divorce.

You know, divorce.

No, I would agree with you a hundred percent because then, then you get into the territory.

If there's, if there's no thing that you're like, I know both of you guys gave me a look when I kind of was this group, but it's,

it's because I don't want to just jump.

Which is where people jump to.

So is, is the heart attitude of looking at

pornography, looking at someone with lustful thoughts, is that in God's eyes,

just as guilty as doing the physical act?

Yes.

Right.

It's just like being angry is, is at the same level as, is that committing of murder?

Same.

Yes.

But I don't say that it is punishable by the same

act of a physical murder or adultery.

No, I would agree with that.

Yep.

You know, and the reason being is like, so God knows our hearts and we can even deceive ourselves.

Right.

So we have to take that into account.

All right.

Let me do this just because I want to, I want to, Melissa, I thought that question was kind of in

line with what we've been talking.

So I did want to get to that one.

I know there were a bunch of other ones we couldn't address.

I want to, I want to talk about a couple of things.

One, want to promote something real quick.

There's, there's been an update.

Some of you guys may be aware in February, there's going to be a conference that be

going to, I'm trying to see if I can, I guess I can't get the, this picture to

show up.

Okay.

There's a, there's a conference on why Calvinism that's going to be put on by open air theology conference.

Go to the conference.

Huh?

I'm telling people go to the conference.

Well, what I was trying to do was show a picture because if you go out there, there's, there's a new

addition to, to the conference.

And that picture would include a one, Mr. Matthew Slick.

Nice.

Was just added as of today, his picture was added.

So, so that's another addition.

So if you go and search for open air theology conference, I encourage you guys to go check that out and to,

to register to go that, that is a good conference, even though Matt's going to be there.

You needed that pause for people to get it.

All right.

All right.

So let me, let me just shift gears.

We got like 30 minutes or so.

And, and I want to touch on one thing that I said, we want to, I want to talk in the, in the news

section in the beginning, but I knew Drew had to go.

I want to talk a bit about this Jeffrey Epstein client list.

Oh boy.

This has been in the news.

There's a couple of things I think that would be helpful for people to understand with this.

So the big news was a whole big nothing burger.

Was anyone, anyone surprised that Bill Clinton was named?

No.

Was anybody surprised?

The dudes in a painting on a blue dress and Epstein's office.

No, nobody is surprised.

Yeah.

Was anybody surprised with, you know, you know, Prince Andrew?

No, these are, these were known a long time ago.

And this is what you end up seeing is you'll see that in basically what

the, what intelligence groups will do is give you information that you already knew,

but make it sound like it's something new and big, you know, and you read the news and what do they say?

They make it look like it wasn't a big deal.

Actually, I think I can't remember if it was New York times.

I forget which one I was reading.

That was really funny because the way that they worded it, it was that presidents Trump and

Clinton were mentioned.

And when you actually dig into it and see how Trump was, Trump was mentioned by Jeffrey Epstein because he landed like in Atlantic

city and said, let's go visit Trump.

Yeah.

That, that's, that's a big difference than, you know, someone 53 times being on the

plane going to islands where these things are happening.

They're the big difference.

Right. Yeah.

Trump was mentioned first.

And, and then it was like, as if let's just offhand a comment and, you know, and, and Bill Clinton was mentioned as 53

times, you know, why won't you see anything on this?

Okay.

So let me, let me just give some details.

I'm going to let you as a listener who I believe is very

intelligent and would be able to put things together.

Um, so what do you have?

You have somebody who by all accounts, no one seems to be disputing

that Jeffrey Epstein was involved in human trafficking,

providing girls for very wealthy people and videotaping

things all over the place.

There is clearly records of videos that he had

maybe using it for blackmail.

Maybe not.

People wonder how he got all his money anyway, but I don't think it would be

a stretch to think that this guy was using the videos he had to blackmail people.

Now, what did he, what was he doing?

I'm sure he kept it as insurance, but what is it that Epstein provided for these people?

He provided influence.

He provided the ability to get one person to get to know another person.

And he knew all these people.

How did he know him?

Because of what he was providing them with, but he kept his own insurance policy.

It's very interesting that, um, when he was arrested, uh, the FBI went to

his Island and his apartment and these different places.

And they have admitted that they found video evidence.

But because they went to an Island that wasn't under their jurisdiction, the

FBI left his residence without taking the video evidence,

by the way.

Uh, they left the residence so that they can come in properly.

But when they came in properly, these videos seem to have disappeared in the days

in between.

Imagine that.

Imagine that.

Well, I saw something today, man, that, um, uh, I have to find, I was just looking for it, but I saw something today where

somebody traced, uh, some history all the way back to when Hillary Clinton was first elected Senator

in New York in 1999.

How JFK Jr. was about to blow the whistle on some of this stuff.

And then, well, his plane crashes in the ocean.

And then they, they, they, they went back through from 99 all the way to 2023

of the people who died under mysterious circumstances who were all involved in this.

Yeah.

So to the Clintons, to the Clintons.

Yeah.

There's, there's a lot of interesting things with people dying around.

They've, they've had more people mysteriously die than most mobsters.

Um, but, but here's the thing.

So you see that these tapes that were used probably to blackmail people

disappear.

Okay.

Here's something to think about folks.

Why was it that Jeffrey Epstein was given a sweetheart deal so many years ago?

Well, the person who was prosecuting it back then had said that the

reason the deal was given was because he was told Jeffrey Epstein was an

agent of the federal government.

Hmm.

What was he doing?

We don't know.

Was he, did the guy lie?

We don't know.

Right.

That we don't know.

But the question becomes who now has those tapes?

Because guess what?

If Jeffrey Epstein was able to use whatever evidence he had to blackmail people,

and now those tapes miraculously disappear.

Well, now whoever has those tapes can use them the same

way.

So why don't I think that we're going to see anything come out with the list?

Like so many people are thinking, oh, the list is going to come out.

It's going to be devastating.

No, it won't.

It's never going to come out because whoever has these, these tapes, they don't want it to come out.

Because guess what happens if it comes out?

They lose the influence they have to be able to blackmail whoever they want to blackmail whoever

is on there.

Okay.

And so that's something that I just don't think we're going to see.

I mean, people are like counting so much that we're finally going to get to the bottom of it.

I don't think so.

Can we, can we just say how many times, I don't know, in the last

half century, we thought, oh, the corruption is finally going to be exposed.

And it never, ever, ever happens.

We need to stop doing it.

Unless there is a massive, almost recalcitrant to use this word,

revolution, and the government literally is gutted stem to

stern, things aren't going to change.

And if you think voting for your favorite politician in the next election will change that,

I got a beachfront property in Arizona to sell.

Yeah.

So, two last things I was going to cover.

Let me, Christian Myth asked this.

He said it was a serious question.

So, completely serious and not trying to ask a gotcha question.

What if spouse, this is back to the spouse and the adultery.

What if the spouse says it's cool, or sorry, the pornography.

Spouse says it's cool, or married couples engage, indulge together.

Legit curious where you all would come down.

So, the issue is that there's never, that I have found, never a time where

it's one, it's both spouses agreeing.

It's usually one spouse agreeing and the other one just going along with it.

And it, in almost every case I know of, it ends up causing

nothing but problems.

So, I know the argument is, oh, but they're all okay with it.

They're still acting out against what God's nature and what

God has ordained for them to be doing.

And so, saying, hey, but we agree.

It's like saying, well, hey, the Germans agreed to kill Jewish people.

So, it's okay.

I mean, that is the way that the Nazis argued when they were on trial.

To say, you can't say we're wrong because we said we all agree.

It doesn't matter because they're not the standard.

And a husband and wife are not the standard of how to behave within the marriage ultimately.

It's God.

Not to mention, you end up stewarding your time watching a product

that is made with the purpose of objectifying and

desecrating and doing harm ultimately to people made in the image of God.

That's exactly it.

I cannot nullify the commandments of God.

I can't tell my buddy Chris, who's a little younger than me and certainly much stronger, it's okay for you to take your rage out

on me and just beat me to a bloody pulp because I'm masochistic and I don't mind being beat up.

I cannot nullify.

If he acts on that, he still sins.

So, if God has commanded you are not to look with lust, that

is a sin no matter who agrees to it.

I literally had someone, by the way, tell me on Twitter because I was engaging in a

conversation with someone else about this feminist lady who had zero

problem with her husband watching porn.

And I said, yeah, right.

And she says, oh, I watch it with him.

And I was like, you know what?

I am not engaging with you further.

She got muted.

But even if you can truthfully, honestly say, and

there may be because we are a very twisted people these days, that there are men and women who

think that it's perfectly acceptable to engage in the watching of pornography together.

You have violated the commandment of God.

God has said you are not to look with lust.

You're not to look with lust with anybody but your own spouse.

And that intimacy is for the two of you alone.

No one else to know about.

That's for the two of you.

And it's a husband and a wife, just to clarify, because, hey, well, what about two women or two men?

That's a sin too.

It's not a marriage.

And so, therefore, no matter how you slice it, you are committing a sin.

There's no way to personally nullify, oh, it's okay if you watch it because I say so.

No, God has said no.

End of story.

So he says, and then part of this, I think, is going to be, you know, he

says, thanks for taking my question.

But like, dot, dot, dot, the Jews didn't agree, dot, dot, dot, because both parties have to agree.

I don't think it's a reasonable analogy, but I take your answer at face value.

Okay, so I'll agree with that because he's right in the way he's trying to use the analogy.

So then let me ask, Dan, let me ask you this.

By the way, he did say much earlier, I think he said I could use his name.

So, and I forget the case, but there was a case where a guy had

put out online that he wanted to be eaten.

He wanted someone to kill him, have sexual relations with him, kill him and eat him.

And another person said, I will do that for you and did that.

And he was on trial and sentenced to jail for killing

the other person.

OK, and eating him.

But they both agreed.

So the question for you, Dan, was was the court wrong in doing that because they both agreed?

Or was the court right in saying that even though this guy posted that he wanted this

and someone said, I will do that, that they said it was wrong.

Now, I'm going to say they knew it was wrong because of the nature of God.

Because they know right from wrong that way, the same way you do, Dan, the same way I do.

And all of us here, we know it because we know that.

That's why I say you're a professing atheist, because, as I told you before, you know, God exists.

You suppress that truth and unrighteousness.

But all of us know he exists.

And so we get our standard of right and wrong from his nature.

And so let's see.

Just somebody says, I'm open to being convinced otherwise, but I don't think someone can

can consent to being killed absent some specific factor that would cause

their death anyway.

Well, in that case, they actually had the ad he put out there asking for

someone to kill him and eat him.

So, yeah, yeah.

There's some some podcasts you could listen to if you want to get really creative, you know, darknet diaries

that you get to hear strange things that happen in the world.

Bigfoot podcast.

Thank you.

Well, I'd rather listen to Bigfoot.

Maybe because that's fantasy there, Chris.

Don't kick it over this, Chris.

Like it was bad enough.

No.

Really?

Really get a Bigfoot mug.

It was bad enough being on Echo Zoe.

And for folks that don't get this, go look at Zoe.

The December episode where Fred Butler and I always knew at the end of the year thing with

with Andy Olson from Echo Zoe radio.

And I just I'm still can't get over that.

Fred Butler really believes Bigfoot exists.

And then to find out, Chris, who thinks he's Captain America anyway,

I have said many, many times I am not Captain America.

I am a Captain America groupie.

I am old, out of shape Captain America groupie.

You, you, you on your own show have said Chris.

Chris is Captain America.

Can you even fit into your Captain America suit anymore?

I can.

I choose not to.

There's a reason I'm going back to the gym now.

So you got to be watching Mr. Huff's, you know, things.

I really don't like feeling like a shame to myself when I watch him do those cool exercises.

It's hard, man.

I don't doubt it.

I went to.

I went to the gym this morning.

You do a cold morning.

Oh, I am not insane like you.

Sorry.

I will tell you.

I'll tell you this much.

I will say this, even though I'm getting to a point where I'm really hating,

started to really hate Emile's Wayne, who was the one that was telling me about.

But then Dan Bongino and Dana White, I was listening to them.

And that's what got me to go, OK, let me check this out and see.

There seems to be, you know, like and I, I do sauna therapy.

So I do heat, heat therapy in sauna.

Very good for you.

And I know that there's a lot of science between doing sauna and ice therapy together.

But, yeah, I'll just say I hate the cold and I'm starting to really not

like easy.

I refuse.

There's not enough money in the world.

You are very much alert.

I mean, you do it and it's like, I mean, OK, the first two minutes, the first time I had my wife there, like just in case something bad

happened.

But it was two minutes.

Me screaming and being like, yeah, it does.

It does a lot of things for you.

Mental health.

Right.

Yeah.

It helps.

OK, I can push through this.

OK.

Eleven minutes a week is what they recommend.

Total.

Depending on where you know what your goals are.

But you're saying 11 minutes a week during like three to three to six minutes a day is what.

Yeah.

OK.

So, you know.

OK.

So times five days.

No.

Fifteen minutes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, if you do five minutes a day, seven days a week.

Five minutes.

Yeah.

OK.

So minimum 11 minutes.

OK.

OK.

Got it.

Got it. Right.

So.

So first thing in the morning, it releases what's called brown fat, which is fantastic.

It's fantastic for your nervous system joints, ligaments, all that stuff.

So what they say is if you're going to exercise, do the cold plunge first.

Start with that.

Start with getting cold.

Do your do your fitness and then the sauna.

Yeah.

Right afterwards.

Well, there is some.

You can do all that, but I don't have a sauna.

And yeah, I've been getting in just a cold bathtub.

OK. So.

So here's the thing.

So you can get a.

I think my my sauna that I first got was the one I got.

When I got it was like one hundred forty hundred fifty.

Yeah.

It's not like one hundred eighty hundred.

You can get an infrared.

It's not going to be the best.

It doesn't have a consistent temperature, but it's better than nothing.

Gets up to one hundred forty degrees.

So it's just this portable thing you can get on Amazon.

If you're really interested in it, just email us.

Info, it's driving fraternity dot com and I'll send you a link.

But it's just I think it's it's a weird looking thing.

I'll admit it.

It's this little box.

You sit in a chair, your head sticks out, your hands.

I sit.

I'm working on the computer as I'm standing, sitting in the heat.

They have a stand up one now.

I think it's neurotropic is the company, but they have a stand up one that you build it.

You can get into it.

You can.

I mean, you're fully in it.

You build it, do it.

And if right now I don't know how long the sales going on, but if you buy that, they are including the

portable cold plunge tub.

Oh, really?

Yeah.