Sata, demons, and the Believer- Laborers' Podcast

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Tonight we have Rob with the truth and love podcast.

We've got real talk with big John Jones and we have Providence perspective with Jay also

known as the reform Rican.

My name is Tyler with bread of the word podcast and tonight's topic.

We are discussing demons demonic influence demonic oppression.

Possession what it is words mean.

Do we even know find out together after the wipe?

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Claude it's gonna be at Pastor Claude Ramsey Church.

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Might I might be third.

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Demonic Demonic impression influence possession.

I think I said impression influence.

Son what do we think about it?

We may come from different perspectives tonight, but that's what we're all about.

We want to sharpen one another.

What do you guys think is the the difference?

Between Influence oppression and possession.

Well, I I'm not the experts.

I will say that but I did do a little bit of digging into the original languages as to

what is being translated to possession and The Greek word is literally

to hold.

That.

When we find talk in the New Testament about people that are possessed by demons that are

Possessed this or possessed that it is literally that they are held by demons by an

unclean spirit.

And so the typical definition I've been given from pastors

before in regards to possession and oppression is That there are times where a demon

has hold of somebody you may even say within somebody.

If you look at like Luke 11 you have that an interesting picture there, but oppression is

external Interaction not necessarily in a person or directly moving

them, but doing things around them.

So to speak.

Yeah, I was pretty solid.

I would agree with Tyler.

I don't really make a distinction between influence and.

And oppression, excuse me, I would say that they are essentially the same thing.

Maybe I mean, maybe there's a variable I'm not really too sure but you know, I would

say Oppression Primarily, although I wouldn't say

uniquely but primarily is when you have a demon demonic force trying to get

Someone to fall into sin as specifically a Christian.

You know and we can see that in Ephesians 6 11 first Peter 5 8.

You know and and so that in terms of Oppression, you know what

a Christian is called to do is to resist the devil right to resist the first Peter 5

9 or James 4 7.

But I would say.

I.

Don't see any that indicate a Christian can be possessed and certainly

we know that we have the 26

And even the end of Matthew 24, I'm sorry, Matthew 28 20 behold.

I am with you always in the FDA.

So I would say those are the.

Yeah, and I appreciate that because I really want us to.

To try to look at What we see in Scripture because that's the Scriptures is what's going to inform us.

How did Satan work in the Old Testament?

Is it different than a New Testament new covenant in the church as opposed to?

How God was working the Israel how was Satan and demons working at that time.

Is there a difference and we we definitely want to draw from Scripture?

What that looks like for us obviously, you know the application.

For us because that you know, that's where we are.

Which three of these and you were touching on this day, which three of these the believers need to be concerned with

personally.

I would I would say.

That.

If we're going to use Matthew as an example.

Influence and oppression are probably the only things that the Christian as

personally would need to be concerned about gravely and that's because.

Well, I mean influence.

That's kind of a sliding scale.

I think right there's the world we live in.

Is is.

Obviously.

Demonically influenced in almost every environment, right?

I mean so you have to be I don't know completely living under a rock to be completely absent

from any kind of demonic influence on society, however.

We're more than conquerors through Christ.

So we we need not fear that rather than that We can just resist the devil and he'll flee from us.

We're told in Scripture.

So Our in our own person We probably ought not.

I don't have reason to fear being possessed long as we're Christian.

If we're talking about being Cognizant and aware of those around you if

there's if there's those around you who are not saved then you might need to be aware of whatever

kind of demonic activity that person may be a part of or May be possessed with which

I know it's not exactly the question you're asking.

But if we're talking about things to be concerned about and things to look out for That would be one of them.

Yeah.

And I'm gonna wrap these next two questions up together and and I'm gonna read them.

But I'm gonna and I'm gonna tell you why I'm gonna wrap them up together.

Okay.

The next one is what are ways to be aware and prepared in our lives for it and then the next one is what are Ways

to get through it if currently involved.

And the reason reason why I want to ask those two questions together is because Jay You and John both

have said this Resist the devil.

Yeah, that's where we want to go.

I want to go to scripture here for tells us resist the devil.

So obviously devil doing something sure demonic demonic world is doing something for the scripture to be

telling us to Resist him.

So let's take it from You know just the surface level I

Like to dig into a little bit what that looks like, how do we resist the devil scripturally?

Oh, okay.

That's great.

Perfect my man, he's quick.

He's quick.

Matthew 4 is actually part of the reason bread of the word has the name that it has

Is because of Matthew 4 verse 4 man shall not live by a bread alone but on every word with that

proceedeth out of the mouth of God and.

Specifically what is going on in Matthew 4 is Jesus.

It says was led up of the spirits into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

That's a great way to start a story.

There's no it was a dark stormy night.

It was Jesus was led by the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted.

I like how the King James words.

He was driven and.

When he had fasted for 40 days and 40 nights, he was afterward and hungered and

The tempter came to him and he said if thou be the Son of God Command that these stones be made

bread, but he answered and said it is written

Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

And right off the bat we have this this this picture of this this conflict and it's a conflict that I think is

somewhat reflected in in our lives.

And we're told in first John that we we deal with the world the flesh and the devil and in a small way

There is something we can find related relatable in the temptations of Christ.

Well, it was colossally Different in the sense that he is Christ.

I'm not.

He was tempted.

In every way sure.

He is tempted.

Ultimately, this is him succeeding where Adam failed.

Amen.

There there's a magnitude with the temptations of Christ that I will never know.

But there is a small sense to which I can relate to the temptations of Christ because he was tempted

in every way that I could be tempted and The way that Christ dealt with temptation.

This is the same way That I can.

Not because I'm perfect, but because Christ Had the same scriptures.

Yep.

Because it is written that every man shall not live by bread alone, but on the words that proceedeth from the mouth of

God.

And the Satan follows this pattern.

He keeps he keeps coming back and it takes him to the Holy City and sets him on the

pinnacle of the temple and says if thou be the Son of God cast thyself down.

And then he quotes the Bible Says for it is written He shall give his angels charge concerning thee

and in their hands shall they bear thee up unless at any time thou dash thy foot against the stone.

That's Psalm 91 and Jesus says unto him it is written.

Yeah, you just said it's written.

It's also written Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

And so it's not just that he had the scriptures, but he knew what they meant.

He believed them.

Yep.

I'd like to add to that if I can.

Absolutely.

So while this is not necessarily expressly talking about dealing with

resisting the devil and demonic forces.

Philippians 4.

So then in this way, my dear beloved brothers and my joy and my crown stand firm in the Lord.

Dear friends I urge a odia and I urge.

Man, that's a tough word right there.

Somebody who knows Greek somebody knows someone's side.

Tachi.

To agree with in the Lord.

Yes.

I also ask you true partner to help these women who have contended for the gospel at my side

along with Clement and the rest Of my co -workers whose names are in the book of life rejoice and the

Lord always and I'll say again rejoice.

Let your graciousness be known to everyone.

The Lord is near.

Don't worry about anything but in everything through prayer and petition with Thanksgiving let your requests be

made known to God and Let the peace of God which surpasses every thought will guard your hearts

and your minds in Christ Jesus now that's I read that for for the sake of Context but I want you to

listen to To what he's saying.

Rejoicing in the Lord and taking comfort and and and pleasure and peace in in Christ.

Finally brothers.

Whatever is true.

Whatever is honorable.

Whatever is just whatever is pure.

Whatever is lovely.

Whatever is commendable if there any moral excellence and if there be any praised well on

these things.

Do what you have learned and received and heard in me and the God of peace will be with you.

I contend that most of the time I'm gonna say almost every time.

But there may be an exception to the rule.

You're probably not going to face a Demon face to face in a very physical sense the way

that Jesus faced the devil.

Where your battle is going to be is between your ears.

Most of the time it's going to be in your mind.

It's going to be in a in a battle that you should that you should have

all kind of authority the same way Adam was supposed to have all kind of authority in the in the garden and

if you find yourself in a place where I suppose

Influence or oppression seems to be bearing its head.

Understanding the difference between those things and possession as Tyler and and brother Jay were

saying Ponder on scripture.

Read these words and put them in your heart.

Rejoice in the Lord.

Rejoice in the salvation of God and the keeping power of God.

Rejoicing the person the work of Jesus Christ and and Praise him and watch these things

flee from you.

That's a very practical way to To have these things be

made gone from a Pragmatic point of

view.

There's been more than one night that the day stress or the Things the

fear of things coming the next day have tried to rob sleep from me and I will usually pick up one of

Paul's epistles and I'll begin to read these truths to myself and find comfort in them and Usually not

long after that sleep finds my my eyes.

So.

Just like Tyler was saying the Word of God Contains what you need and you can

combat the enemy With the Word of God.

And this is one of the ways and in the battlefield of your mind is to praise God because he's good and

he's worth it.

And think on the things that are lovely and pure and peace and just and all these and.

And let that stay your heart in those times.

Could it depend on the intensity of the influence and an oppression.

So to me I'm hearing scripture say resist the devil and he will flee.

So in simplest terms when we say resist.

Could we could it be a circumstance where we say?

No, I'm.

Not going to yield.

I suppose it could be that simple in some cases.

But then the more intense the more we've let it in.

Previously, it's you could go as far as to say you need to call a brother.

And say I need help.

I need you to pray with me.

I need you to to help me through this moment.

And there ain't a thing wrong with calling for help.

There is not a thing wrong with calling a trusted counsel and Somebody that you know is going to somebody who's going to

give you wise biblical counsel someone who's not going to be Persuaded to

treat you extra soft.

But they're going to give you the truth in love and they're going to have.

Y 'all would be an example of someone I would call.

Right.

I would I would have no reservations if I found myself in the press at calling any one of the guys on the

network.

Because I believe that as brothers in Christ that you first of all you'd answer the phone Right and that

and that you would hear out what I've got and you'd help me pray for it.

And I believe that that the factual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

You guys you guys are touching on something that I was thinking about.

I did want to address.

I mean we pulled up Amy Wilson Fonseca's Comment and then it went away.

I Wasn't sure I'm not the one pulling it up by the way, so I didn't make it this beer.

Amy if you're watching.

It's me so.

But you know, I didn't quite understand the comment.

What's up, hey.

Leah's is here.

Amy's.

Comment should many Christians find themselves in those tough spots.

I'm not I think.

She's making a statement not a question.

I think she's saying yeah, many Christians can find themselves in those tough spots.

I think if that's what you meant then no need for further clarification.

Amy if that's not what you meant, please let us know what you meant because we do want to address it but

Yeah, we can definitely find ourselves in tough spots.

And I'm glad that you put these two questions together Rob because Really the answer to them

is the same, right?

What are the ways to be aware and prepared for these kinds of it?

I guess you could say attacks in our lives.

What are the ways to get through it?

If you're in currently involved in them for me, it's really you know, what big John was saying

Three things really prayer accountability and avoid isolation.

I like what first Peter 5 which I already referred to.

But if you read it through 8 and 9 verses 8 and 9 on first Peter 5 it says this.

I Know you guys are old -school English speaking guys, but I don't do that.

I do ASV.

So I'm gonna read it off the ESV.

Hopefully you guys can keep up with me.

It says this be sober -minded be watchful your adversary adversary the devil

Prowls around like a roaring lion seeking someone to devour.

Resist him firm in your faith knowing that the same kinds of suffering are being experienced.

Excuse me by your brotherhood throughout the world.

You know, why would Peter I think about why would Peter

say that you should know.

Your brothers are suffering in similar fashion.

I think he's saying in those moments when When you are isolated you need to

remember you're not actually alone.

Right, and so sometimes we have to make that Concrete right which

means sometimes you have to call the brother like big John was saying, you know.

You have to reach out.

You cannot allow yourself to be in isolation.

I believe that the devil loves it when we're alone too much.

I Really do I think he loves it when we don't have things to do when we're alone when we

feel isolated when we feel Like, you know, we have no one to contact.

I think that's why the New Testament pushes so much the priority of gathering together right.

Not not.

You know like Hebrews says Do not forsake gathering with the Saints, right?

There's a reason for that.

It's because together we're stronger.

But.

Isolated we're like a lone sheep, you know, what can a sheep do by himself by himself or herself?

Not much.

Now obviously, you know praise God that we have the Holy Spirit, but we are in a spiritual war at the same

time and If you know anything about warfare, it would be pretty stupid to go behind

enemy lines by yourself.

I Mean Leroy Jenkins, I don't know if you guys remember that one from like a few years ago.

Maybe more like 15 years ago 10 15.

But you don't you know, you don't go like Cowboy on the devil and just say I can take him on my own.

I don't need any help.

No, you're insane, bro.

Like if you go to war.

If you go to war by yourself, you're gonna get killed and it's the same thing with spiritual warfare.

I mean you responded by the way.

Yeah, I got it up there that way you can see it.

Alright, so.

One of the things I was thinking about when you was talking is in the garden.

It says that God come and walked with Adam in the cool of the day.

Right.

So let's consider how the attack against the family began.

How the attack against God's creation began.

The enemy comes into the garden and he confronts the weaker of the two.

Right.

He confronts the woman.

And.

Deceives her who then she deceives her husband in any case.

The the point is you notice he didn't come into the garden in the cool of the day when the Lord

would be there.

He didn't step on to the garden whenever the King of Glory was walking through right?

So it's.

When you say that we have the Holy Spirit, I think that that's one reason why

Christians.

We see no evidence in Scripture where Christians are ever possessed.

They may be.

They may have been possessed in the case of some and once they were delivered and God Saved them then there's no

longer ever you see a case of possession.

You see a warning about being delivered from demonic activity and not coming to Christ in

the book of Matthew, right?

Matthew says at 12.

Something like that.

I'm not sure.

In any case is I found the I found the house.

It says when an unclean spirit comes out of a man it roams them for water places waterless places looking for

rest but doesn't find any and it says I'll go back to my house where I came from and arrives finds a house vacant

swept and Put an order then off it goes and brings it seven others worse.

It brings Seven other spirits more evil than itself and Enter and settle down there

as a result.

The man's last condition is worse than his first.

This is how it is with this evil generation.

So.

Had.

The house not been empty.

Had they been a strong man in the house It would have been like the Lord in the garden and there wouldn't have been no no way the enemy could have

come in you.

Understand.

So just as well as that's what I was thinking about when you stalking for the J.

Yeah, yeah, and you made me think about personal example.

Absolutely.

Yeah, I guess I know we've been we've been talking a lot of a lot of the scripture and kind of the theory.

But to be brutally honest and kind of what does it look like to flesh this out?

About.

About a year ago.

I think it was I was blindsided by Crippling depression in a time that I

like to refer to as the week on my knees.

In close to a decade of walking with Christ.

I have never known a Pit that deep before and I'm looking back.

I would say it was Demonic in keeping with the spirit of many of the Puritans

with a spirit of melancholy.

It was a temptation to despair.

When my circumstances didn't justify it and it was very quick.

It was very hard all of a sudden and it got to a point that I was praying the Psalms

Constantly Psalm 130 Every hour on the hour and in

those moments in that week that I spent on my knees going.

Why art thou cast down?

Oh my soul.

My worship became warfare.

Mm -hmm.

It became a declaration of war.

Against what I was being told and what I thought I wanted in the moment I was declaring war on the world the

flesh and the devil.

Hmm and.

So when we talk about demonic oppression and we look at Matthew 4 and we look at Luke 11, we look at

first Peter 5.

Ultimately how we are prepared how we combat this is by directing our eyes to Christ,

right?

Even when it's not easy even when it hurts.

Even when it's painful.

And it will be painful sometimes and there are times when God makes things crooked and it's okay.

Part of this thing.

We call the Christian life is his trials is tribulations is sufferings.

But God is always with us.

And so when we have those those low points we have demonic oppression we have spirits of

melancholy when we are Dealing with this we can turn our eyes to Christ.

Amen.

Amen.

I mean that's that was amazing.

By the way, that was beautiful.

Absolutely, that was beautiful and I I'm gonna say something that I think you hit the nail on the head here as well.

Looking to Christ is a declaration of war against demonic forces.

That's exactly what it is.

Because what is the devil's primary objective when it comes to Christians for us not to look to

Christ?

That's he will do everything in his power.

Not to let us look to Christ.

He will tempt us if we fall into a sin.

He will convince us that we this time we will not be forgiven.

He will lead us into seasons of depression.

I mean, he will do absolutely everything to make us think that we have been cut off from Christ.

Right.

Yeah, so that he'll still destroy so that exactly so that we say this is it.

I can't go back.

That's exactly what he wants and it is warfare.

You know, I think of it as Jacob wrestling with God.

You know saying I will not let you go until you bless me.

I will not let you go until you bless me.

You know, it's the same thing.

We have this spiritual war and sometimes we have to fight.

Even even honestly even in seasons of plenty.

Right.

What typically what happens in seasons of plenty to a Christian they say well.

Yeah, exactly.

You know you want to relax you're like, ah, do I really have to read the Bible?

Do I really have to pray right now?

You know what?

I'm saying like That in itself is spiritual warfare as well, you know,

because sometimes the devil he's a crafty little fella.

He is a little fella by the way compared to God, of course because.

When when he realizes well, I can't get this guy depressed.

I can't get that this guy to get his eyes off of Christ whenever he sins.

Maybe I'll just get him to relax.

Yeah.

You know what?

I mean?

So yeah, and that's good.

That's why Peter tells us to be watchful always.

I see it in season and out.

There you go.

Just Robbie's gonna say something.

Well, just in response to what all three of you have been saying Jay you and John both talked about location and

It caused me to think of an additional Location or place that we don't want to be

in addition to isolation.

You you John talked about the Lord being in the cool today in the garden location

we want to avoid being putting ourselves in a situation where absolutely to be tempted

or We can be more easily influenced or oppressed.

So just in addition to isolation, that would be a place to avoid.

And Tyler going back to what you brought up earlier

I'm glad you brought up the example of Christ and and his temptation.

It made me think about last night.

We were part of our Evangelism initiative that we're doing a church our one

of our other elders He was leading the teaching that night and he we've been talking about we were talking about the authority of Christ it's the authority of

God over all things and he took us to Proverbs chapter 21 and We read verse 1 the king's heart is

like channels of water in the hand of the Lord He turns it wherever he wishes.

So the question was, you know, what do we see there that And how does it apply

to us and I said Alan ism?

If if the king who is holding the highest position in the land if.

Sorry.

The king who holds the highest position in the land if God Has authority over

him.

He has authority over all men and I was thinking about that as Tyler was bringing up the

temptation of Christ.

And how if if Satan Can go after our Lord who are we to think

that he wouldn't.

You know, come up those comfortable times those relaxed.

Sure He's gonna come after us.

Who are we that he wouldn't exactly.

So so I want to I want to take exactly what you're talking about.

And I hope my internet still working because y 'all keep glitching on me, and I think it's on me.

And I want to uh, I want to kind of come at it from the other side of that coin.

The devil is not on my present.

He can't be everywhere at one time, right?

So I.

I.

People can kind of rest at ease That we don't have a single documented case of

Satan confronting Paul.

We have a documented case of a messenger of Satan buffeting Paul

If Paul was not important enough for the devil to show up.

Fortunately, we're not either right.

If the writer of half the New Testament Couldn't couldn't get an appearance from old

slew foot himself, then it's it's unlikely that You would be

confronted by the devil.

Quote -unquote as some people say all week.

So oftentimes you give him too much credit.

Oftentimes.

What is the old statements?

You know the devil made me do it.

No, just sometimes, you know you have you had.

You.

Have to answer what you do is sometimes being stupid as well as wine, right?

I mean sometimes bad decisions follow you and they're really not anything other than bad decisions.

We chalk a lot of things up to demonic activity influence for instance.

You would be hard -pressed.

I believe to watch a modern secular Award show

without seeing some kind of influence that demonic activity has had on either the movie industry

or the music Industry or the award ceremony itself, right?

So I've heard I don't know that for sure because fat boy don't watch it.

So you can you can avoid a lot of that influence by just not partaking of that influence, right?

Do you have a television Oscar?

I keep hearing about.

Yeah, right.

It's same guys that Mr. Jim Jim or whatever his name is.

You can take your television remote and there's a circle with a line that's kind of

perpendicular to the top.

It's not tangential to the side, but it's perpendicular with with like 12 o 'clock.

And if you hit that button, it just cut off and then you could do a crazy thing.

You could grab one of these and you can get a good light.

I've got one right here.

It's fantastic 60 watts of warm daylight and you can just read truth

and you can believe the truth over the lie and You can find yourself

Far better served in this world in the especially the world to come so the influence

you can you can remove and you can Resist the devil a lot of times by just staying

away from the things in the places that he influences.

It's really sometimes it's that simple.

And the reason you get bound up is because you're giving the devil a foothold in your life.

You you've got things you got sacred cows in your life like your music or your television programs.

That you really I'm going to watch that television program because I got to see how it ends.

I've been watching it for 15 years or whatever and and somehow another every new contestant on it or

not contestant.

Actor or whatever they all have to be gay now to make the cut or whatever.

Right, and so just just quit watching the garbage and then you don't have to worry about it but people

That find themselves oftentimes oppressed.

Because of the influence in their life have allowed that to happen.

Yeah, they know simply a lot of it.

You know, you know what's sad about that John?

I.

Know that I've struggled with that in the past, you know what I mean?

Like letting go of certain things that I know I have to let go of.

But when I look to Christ, it's like well, okay, it's not that hard.

You know what I mean?

But it's wild to me.

It's crazy to me how sometimes People who you look around you're like man.

This person is a better Christian than me.

And I'm not judging them, right?

That's that's not what I'm saying, but it's wild to me.

Like it's it's I almost don't understand it like how those same people Have something like that

in their lives and they can't seem to let it go and I'm like, how can this person who?

Almost in every way seems like a better Christian than me can't let this one thing go or like, you know.

We talked about being biblical, you know.

Like we could we could have a Bible study with this person and I'm not trying to point fingers, you know.

Cuz again, I struggle with it myself, you know what I mean?

But I'm just saying like I'm it's not a judgmental thing.

It's just like an amazement thing how how much we need God that's that's the point that I'm trying to make that you can look at somebody

so Godly sometimes and then you find what their idol still is right from that that remaining

corruption of the flesh where they still have some corruption and they can't let it go and they can't let it go and

it's like Wow, you really are human.

You know what I mean?

You know so that so that no one may boast I really truly believe that the Lord Allows these

things to happen as dark as they are so that everybody can be reminded.

Hey, no one's perfect here, but me.

But it is it is crazy.

Anyway, we're going off on another tangent.

We're not even talking about.

But that's practical application one of the things before we move on and I don't know what the next question is because I didn't read ahead yet, but

I We've got as far into the questions that I've prepared for you know, just let you know.

Is that I mean I'm being honest.

Confess your faults one to another anyway, so the if you're listening to this and you

found yourself in a place where you are.

It sound like I was being overly critical or maybe I was making fun of your condition.

I'm really not making fun of your condition.

If you're a believer We've addressed that you you really have no fear of being possessed.

But you can be oppressed you can be influenced.

You're not impervious to demonic influence.

Not none of us can be impressed.

You can be impressed.

Oppressed influenced and you can be.

I guess you can be upset.

I don't know.

There's another word I can't rap.

Maybe maybe Tyler you could teach me from your earlier rap days.

Anyway.

There's There's a lot of things that you can do.

First of all is don't don't give in to despair if you find yourself in

those positions where You you're against the you're in the press.

Brother Tyler was given an example of how he was so depressed because of what he referred to as demonic

activity or demonic influence.

Or I actually forgot what you called it.

But for somebody that he was under a spiritual attack.

So he prayed the Psalms every hour on the hour.

That's how he was successful.

Not that he was successful, but that Christ was successful through him through his word.

If you're in an environment where things are Not

conducive to an active prayer life.

Sometimes you need to remove yourself from that environment.

I'll give you an example without naming any names.

I Was delivered when I was saved from alcoholism.

I don't go around people who drink not because I'm scared one bit about ever taking a drink again.

Because I don't want to drink anymore.

There's nothing on a bone in me that wants to but I also know that I'm very weak and.

I'm.

Frail and I don't want to put myself in a position that I don't have to be in just frankly I don't have to be in

that position.

So if you don't have to be then don't.

So if you're watching and you think Man, I've I've sinned I fell into this trap

of the enemy and now I can't be forgiven brother Jay was talking about this a while ago.

That is a lie.

That is 100 % unequivocally a lie.

Don't you believe it for a second?

Don't you give up hope?

Don't you give in to despair if you've messed up?

Just get back up and brush your britches off and then find your word.

Find a place to pray ask God to forgive you and move forward.

Don't don't get don't beat yourself up about that one more minute.

I'm not giving you an excuse to sin.

I'm just giving you hope to have.

Your beyond forgiveness is a demonic attack in itself.

Sure.

Yes.

Let me say something about that whenever we think that we cannot be forgiven.

We're essentially In some sense blaspheming.

We're saying Christ's blood is not enough.

Like think about that.

If that doesn't come from some kind of demonic force, I don't know, you know, I don't know where it comes from I mean,

I mean, you know to say that Christ is not enough.

I mean, that's.

What else can I say about it?

I'll tell you guys this all fair.

Um, so Johnny um, you you were you brought up a topic that I wanted to ask the questions related

to it.

You talked about we giving Satan too much credit.

Sure.

So I related to that.

We have knowledge of Satan demons Activity.

But we are limited also.

Do you think it's possible that not only do we give Satan too much credit in some instances?

Do you think some of our?

Leaders in churches Seem to

portray that they have more knowledge than that.

What they really do about their activity.

Satan's activity demonic activity.

I.

Don't 100 % know what you're talking about.

So I don't want to feign ignorance on this.

I think I know an example of what you're talking about, but I don't want to use any names.

To.

For one not because I care about defaming an individual but more than I don't want people to look him up and

find find any snares that might be laying out there, which is a Which I think is one.

One thing we can be guilty of Christians is If you know of somebody who's a false prophet and you go to share in his

name And all the things that he's doing you might actually drive people to watch his stuff and they might accidentally

believe a lie.

So, yeah, you know, it's a that's a personal conviction of mine.

I try not to yeah.

But but if there's there's sometimes an over An over fixation with things that

are demonic and I think that sometimes Little boys get in behind pulpits

and they want to talk a lot about warfare because they've never actually fought anything and from a position.

And they spend more time hollering and screaming about things.

They don't really know nothing about than what they find in Scripture.

And it's more about building up their own reputation and building up their own kingdom on this earth, which is going to burn.

Boy let me tell you something.

That's gonna be one of the shorts that's gonna pop up later on that.

Rob.

Rob.

Those shorts that you generate.

By the way, we got this.

This troll in the chat.

I don't know if we can remove.

So just wanted to let you know whoever's running the chat.

I don't know if you want to go ahead and remove him or what but well, I don't know how to do that.

Okay.

Well.

He's just going off.

But yeah, as I was saying, yeah that mark that down.

There you go 40 at 43 minutes.

We have a clip for one of the shorts.

So yeah.

Well, I don't want to give him away my secrets on air about how I make the clips.

But I'll reveal that to you later.

No problem.

I'm just saying keep that in mind.

That was that was good.

Right there.

Absolutely, so we can probably Combine these next two questions together.

And I'm curious what you guys opinion on this as well.

Can unbelievers be possessed.

Our excess exorcisms legit.

If so who administers them so.

Does Hollywood get it, right.

What does possession look like.

And do unbelievers still?

Are they still possessed today?

What do you can can they be possessed?

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes unequivocally.

Yes I mean, it's all throughout Scripture.

There's no.

As a continuationist I wouldn't draw any lines in Scripture were to say were the giftings of the Holy Spirit would cease and or would I

draw a line were to say that the.

That the oppression of the enemy or the possession of the enemy against unbelievers still there.

How are they exercised the only way they've ever been exercised in the power of Jesus Christ.

You don't have the authority to exercise any demons Christ does.

That's I mean whenever you see Paul Talked to the diviner

who was the getting all these silversmiths all this money whenever that's making these Idols of Diane or

whatever name was right.

What'd he say now.

Jury in the name of Jesus Christ.

Come out of her.

There was no Thing it's been sprinkled on her.

There was no no rosary slapped about her head.

There wasn't no.

You know, I don't know what no feller with a little white square in the middle of his neck.

Come out there and hold her down to a bedpost.

Nothing like it.

He's just a few simple words and.

And it turned a whole town upside down to.

This just same fun fact.

The collars the priestly collars those were originally Protestant not Catholic.

Just fun.

Is that right?

What's that?

What's where about?

I don't remember so I'll look it up later, but we'll talk after the show.

I just wanted to say that because you brought up the collar.

Well, you know, I see these people make fun of of Hollywood's version of Exorcisms where

you hear them.

I'm not gonna repeat what they say because I think it's blasphemous, but they're they're just taking sprinkling.

It was a holy water.

I suppose they're sprinkling.

Yeah, right.

And.

And then it's burning them like it's acid or something like that, you know, and there the head turns around backwards and

Excuse me backwards.

Terrible slipped out.

Didn't mean for a completely went southern for a second there.

I'm trying to do better about an unsuit.

The.

The thing is is in Scripture.

We have an example where when Christ Exercises someone who's demonic possessed

He may ask them their name.

He may just say get get away from him or come out of her.

It's an exercise of authority.

Really is what it is whenever he cast the Legion into the swine.

They said don't cast us into the abyss.

He's like, all right, where you want to go?

Just put them in the swine.

They went and choked herself in the sea.

I Think Hollywood sensationalize something to try to sell tickets.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

And I think just to go back to the passage you referred to earlier big John with the spirit coming out of a

person and going into the parts places and Going back to the home from which he came and

finding it swept in an order.

I honestly look at that and I see a person who is The demons have gone out but the

Holy Spirit's not come in exactly.

And so it just gets worse after that.

Yeah, and so with the case of Exorcism or or however, we want to define it.

I Would say that the remedy for demonic possession is Holy Spirit possession.

Mmm is for the Holy Spirit to take hold of a person.

Come on now.

The role of the Christian is not necessarily to Put hands on people and do some kind of Hollywood

Ritual and they like throw themselves off around the ground and screech and all this but

We asked God on their behalf To save them to put his spirit within them instead of an

unclean spirit to put a clean spirit within them.

I've seen people that Were prayed where the

preachers were praying for them to be Delivered from demonic oppression or possession

in the past and I will say that If you've ever been in that position any one of you

gentlemen ever been in that position where you've seen that kind of thing Brother Rob, I have not.

J.

So I haven't seen anything like that, but I wouldn't.

Doubt that it could happen.

It's uh, it is.

It is something that I will put it this way.

It it makes every hair on your body stand up.

During this.

I was a fairly new believer and I was I was in the room and

this particular fella.

Began to he began to act out during the worship service and and I knew the man

and I thought why he's not acting like himself, I'm not gonna say his name obviously and.

And.

One of the guys at church walked over to him to at one of the ushers I guess to kind of ask him what was going on or to

behave himself and he got violent.

It was it was it was awful.

And the pastor that I was under at that time.

He called it an immediate halt to the the portion of the service of worship.

And he said I'm gonna ask it all the children and any unbelievers leave the room immediately

and I would like all the men who believed to stay behind and I was a believer and I stayed behind and I was.

You ever been in the woods and a wildcat.

Holler.

I.

Have heard it on YouTube.

So if you're ever in the woods and you hear and you hear a wildcat go off it's it's it's

Fury, it completely makes you stop.

It is the loudest and.

And you know, I'm a farm boy, so anyway, I've heard it and I tell you I scared,

you know, and call me what you want to but in that moment.

That's the closest thing I've ever experienced in my life to being just petrified in the moment and couldn't move couldn't do

anything but just stand there and and watch what happened and.

And they prayed for him and it wasn't a long intense thing it they in terms of the prayer.

It was a very simple prayer.

Just kind of like what I've read and When these men prayed for him

he sort of slumped down in the floor and it's sit up and he apologized he was crying and Sure dusted

himself off and they said it's okay and they hugged him and loved on him and he sit down and I was like I'm going home.

So, uh, you know we can.

We can kind of not make light of it.

But we can talk about it with with with ease in our hearts now because he was delivered and and later soundly saved,

you know so I Have seen it and it's not not something that

We should be living in fear of as Christians as I say, but when I say things like Little

boys standing talking about spiritual warfare that haven't ever had any warfare.

That's what I'm talking about.

You don't seek those kinds of things out because to see somebody you love and care for in

torment like that is.

Who wants to see that?

Who wants to experience that who wants to walk with somebody who has if you have to you have to but I praise God

for biblical leadership that that walks with the Lord and is

sensitive to what's going on around them and cares about the flock in order to ensure the safety of the of

those that may be in the room who don't believe right, so.

Have you guys heard of the haunted cosmos podcast?

Yeah, I only heard about it when they were running against Keith Foskey for the dead man walking.

Well, so that they've got a pretty interesting.

I mean essentially what they do is they they take myths Supernatural stories and this and

that they make sense of it from a Christian perspective.

It's really interesting really cool stuff.

And they even you know say well, it's plausible that this thing might exist but it's not what we think it is, right.

How does this guy keep coming back.

This is interesting, I don't know anyway, so so.

You know, I do think that there are there demonic forces out there that sometimes

Make us think that there are things That aren't actually what people think

it is.

Does that make sense?

What I'm trying to say, you know, whether it's aliens or You know mental

illness or whatever.

I do think there's a there is a connection for example from between mental illness I used to work in a psych ward for a while and.

I.

Do believe that there's definitely something demonic happening in a lot of these people's lives.

But it's not it's not uniquely a physical Ailment there.

There's a natural and a supernatural component to it.

Does that make sense?

Of course unbelievers can be possessed there's no denying that it's like John said it's it's it's in the

scripture.

But in terms of what we ought to do for these people I think what we ought to do is

pray and pray and pray.

And preach the gospel to them.

Now I don't know about this last part, I don't think we should be talking to demons.

I don't think we have that authority.

I don't think that that would be wise.

I don't think we should acknowledge them.

I think we just need to keep praying And keep praying and sharing the gospel with these people because I just

touched on it.

Exactly Tyler touched on it.

He said well, what we need to do is get them Holy Spirit filled and The demon

can't come back in there which you know, that only happens through the proclamation of the gospel so.

This guy's got me off track.

Trying to figure out what to do.

Um, how does he keep coming back?

That's what I'm wondering.

He's found he's found himself to own one of your your your youtubes, I don't know which one it is.

Yeah, he is not connected to mine at all.

He's on.

I've got Twitter and rumble going and he's not there.

Well, I'm alone.

Don't worry about it.

Disresisting.

Don't worry.

It's still America.

People say what they want to say, that's right.

So I don't want to take this further because it lends itself to a a

different topic altogether.

But you guys give an example of great example from scripture how you believe we

should handle these situations.

So John you talked about the example.

Where Paul says in the name in the name of Jesus to leave?

What what should be our expectation.

And I'm trying not to take us down that that rabbit trail to the other topic of cessation and continuation.

Authority that we have.

You know the Apostle Paul

maybe had Apostolic authority to do that.

Would that be our expectation that we could or our expectation our?

Process should be the continued prayer the continued prayer the continued prayer.

And the guy.

All right.

So let's let's think about what Christ says for us to do.

Go into the world preach the gospel teaching them to observe the things that I've told you and I'll be with you always.

All right.

So upon this Great Commission journey, that's your own.

Let's say you run into a demoniac, right?

Show me where that gives you some reason that you skirt what Christ told you to do

preach the gospel to him, right?

You explain to him the gospel the same way you would I don't know a homosexual, right?

Same way that you would.

I'm just an unbeliever who thinks he's going to get to heaven based on his good works and

Whenever the opportunity arises that it's necessary I really believe that the Holy Spirit will give you the thing you need to say when

you need to say it.

And I think that you can be you know, you're a cessationist, but I think you'd believe that wouldn't you?

Oh sure.

So in any case and I'd see

nowhere in any of the Disagreements between you know, my camp and

yours where?

Deliverance is ever given as terms of something that is a Gifting

specially for any group of people again.

Christ is the one that delivers.

He's the deliverer.

He's he's the Redeemer.

Mm -hmm.

So you take them to the cross and And you leave them with Jesus and And

you just that that's the I mean there is no secret sauce.

That's just the way it is.

It's not like a Big Mac.

Yeah, I mean, you know, just just take them to Jesus.

I Don't know how many times I've thought that really Mary Jesus's mother

Said a mouthful whatever he says to do just just do it.

Lord.

Where's the wisdom.

Right there, that's right.

Yeah, praise the Lord another another good clip to remember.

Let's wrap this up with this last part and I threw it in here because

it's.

It's pretty Hot in some circles the these deliverance ministries deliverance

conferences deliverance special services.

Is it related to this topic.

What are they doing in these deliverance ministries deliverance services?

Do they have a misunderstanding of What's going on

in?

People in the demonic world how to how this process works.

Or do you guys have any any thoughts on that?

There's a there's a great big umbrella over these so -called, you know Demon

hunters right the deliverance ministries, whatever.

They're called.

I wouldn't necessarily say that all of them are unsaved or not Christian, but

It's very likely that most of them are not.

You know, they they do a lot of weird things.

I even you know if you guys know if you've ever watched Polite leader, you know, I had him on my show one

time and we were talking about exactly this you know and so

the common Thing that they all do is that they basically blame all of your sin on having a

demon, right?

So you're struggling with pornography.

You have a demon you you.

Keep getting angry with your children.

You have a demon you you know.

Name it and it's a demon right?

Everything is is a demon.

Beyond sins with a lot of these camps like you have glasses cuz you have a demon, right?

But.

They Isaiah Salvador, for example, he wears glasses.

So I think we're touching more on maybe more like New Apostolic Reformation

With those guys, although Bill Johnson also wears glasses.

But anyway.

Yeah, they really just blame everything on.

Instead of oh.

Because you know we can say Demons can influence us and demons can try to tempt us

to do to go and sin.

But ultimately we're the ones that choose to sin, right?

That's on us.

These people say no the problem isn't you the problem is the demon that you have.

Right, they're not really biblical when making their assertions.

They also seem to emphasize a lot of workspace salvation.

They emphasize the possibility of losing your salvation.

So you have to strive to keep your salvation.

Which you know, I know that we can have differences on that but the the overemphasis.

It's like it's taking your eyes off of Jesus and putting your eyes on are you doing enough?

Right?

They also seem to Emphasize generational curses or like chair children

inheriting the sins of their parents, which honestly contradicts What is it Ezekiel?

1820 where like the Children will not be held responsible for the sins of their parents nor the parents are sin for them

of their children.

Each one will give an account for their own sin something like that.

I'm paraphrasing Ezekiel 1820.

But the point is that I don't believe that most of these ministries are actually Christian.

I think what they are is charlatans who want to keep people dependent on them by

continuing to tell them, you know, You have a demon and we're gonna have to keep on doing deliverance on you keep

coming back to me.

So I can keep on doing deliverance and hey, by the way, you might want to donate some money.

You know that that's that's the way I see these things.

I don't think they're by and large biblical or Christian.

Either one of you other guys have any thoughts on that?

So I have Absolutely zero Idea of what goes on in a

deliverance ministry.

I've seen some clips on YouTube I'll tell you who I think about when I see this mess.

I think about the seven sons of Siva Who struck out to try to cast out demons of people and they get there

and they say what?

We want to cast you out and the Jesus that Paul preaches about they said Jesus I know and Paul I know but you I don't know

strips them naked whips their hiney and runs them home, right?

So I think that there's There's a strong possibility that if these men

are Looking for a devil to interact with that they're

actually walking in disobedience to the clear scripture that we've given this is Resist the enemy and he'll flee from you

and instead they've gone after something That we're warned in Scripture against which is looking for

trouble.

We're to be spreading the gospel this goes along with Some of the

things some of the problems that I have with discernment ministries as well Right if your ministry is more about casting

down people than it is about preaching the gospel and I draw on the question What's your motivation for what you do

if your ministry and his is solely about demon hunting?

I I can't see how you can look for Christ and Look for a demon at the same time.

I mean anyway You do the you do the work God's called you to do you spread the

gospel?

I promise you you'll run into enough interference.

You won't have to go looking for trouble Come find you.

Well, let's let's wrap things up.

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Tyler would you would you mind to share the gospel tonight.

And Jay would you close us in prayer?

Be glad to.

So Ezekiel chapter 37, I believe Is it contains a

promise from God of the in the Old Testament of something?

He was going to do in the future.

There's now passed from our perspective and he said I will Put my spirit

within And you shall live.

We we've talked about demons all night.

We've talked about unclean spirits evil spirits, whatever Fun word we like to use we've talked

about spirits Entering people taking hold of people in an antagonistic

manner in a way that is manipulative.

It is extortive.

And but we're also Recognizing that there is a good spirit.

There is a pure spirit.

There's a clean spirit in God and he demonstrated that in that

while we were far off from him while we were Cut off from him because

of the sins that we all love so much He sent his own son Christ in the form of

a human To live the perfect life that you and I could never live To die a perfect death that you and I

could never die and to rise from the dead in a way that you and I never could triumphantly

large and in charge rises from the dead demonstrating power over even sin and the

grave and While he was dead He bore the weight

of the sins that we could not pay.

That debt was was carried out on his account rather than ours.

And so when he rose from the dead it was finished everything.

He set out to accomplish for that end was done and so he goes back

to God from whence he came he goes back to the father where he is today and He leaves

with us the promise of that spirit of the Holy Spirit which proceeds from the father and bears

witness to the Son.

Mm -hmm that spirit takes hold of us and it's in a weird way.

We are Possessed by the Holy Spirit instead of a demon living in us.

We can have the presence of God within us, sir that enables us to

Be what we weren't before to be who we could never be to be a son of God

To be to belong to God to be considered his child To be

forgiven to be recognized as his own and We at the truth and love network implore you

to come unto Christ to To.

I'm sorry.

I got distracted by comment to come unto Christ with empty hands with a

broken heart empty hands Knowing that only Christ

can make you whole.

That Christ did all the work that is needed to reconcile you to himself.

And he will put his spirit within you and you will live

there's the Lord.

Gentlemen, let's go ahead and pray Heavenly Father.

I want to thank you for these group of men who are with me tonight and for everybody watching and

listening.

Lord God, I pray that this has been a time that has That has shed some light

on Some of the things that are going on around us that we don't often think about.

But Lord, I pray that most of all that it has been a time that has glorified you and that has been

encouraging To anyone listening including some of us men here.

I know I've felt encouraged to know Lord that Nothing can

separate me from the love of Christ Jesus my Lord

and that's ultimately what this is all about Lord.

We thank you because we cannot be separated from your love.

And even though We may struggle with many tribulations many

attacks from the enemy Lord God You are in control

of all things our Savior lives our Savior reigns.

And.

Nothing will snatch us from his hand.

Father may you be glorified in this in this time that we've had to get in this

podcast.

May this have been may this have been edifying to those listening all for your glory in Jesus

name. Amen.

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