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Matt Slick Bible Study, Eschatology - again
Turn the light on. There we go get that. All right, what's that? I got my mic on right here. Microphone phone computer program. Research lights people are coming in good. So I was announcing this on the radio today that I'll be doing eschatology.
So I want to give people a chance to come in. All right, because they're interested in that. All right, let's pray and let's just jump right in. Lord Jesus, thank you for today and I asked Lord that you'd bless.
I just bless the study bless. The reading the study of your word. I asked Lord Jesus for your mercy or grace. That you would cause people Lord myself included to be struck by the truth of your word and that we would be enamored with your glorious Return that is that is coming.
We asked Jesus for your mercy grace on us this time the reading of your word the people who listen and we ask of Jesus In your precious name, amen. All right so eschatology is a study of end times from the Greek eschatos, which means end and Lagos which means word or study.
So eschatology is a study of end times and I have a study I do I called depressed catology and Because I'm a pessimistic on millennialist and that's my perspective I used to be premillennial and now I'm on millennial and I've been studying for a while and teaching this study and other stuff for quite a while.
So what I'm going to do is Go through something and And go through a Model of of the end times that Basically very few people teach. Now I'm gonna say this and I know I'm gonna offend some people. It's unfortunate that the Schofield reference Bible came on the scene in the sense that it taught premillennial Armenian dispensationalism and though, you know It's a good Bible, but the references just taught this one perspective and because of it most of America adopted this perspective and then coincidentally.
About the time that liberal theological examination was coming into bear the Amillennial view was gaining ground on millennialism says we're in the millennial reign of Christ. So on millennialism became associated with wacko morons liberals.
Okay, and so then if you were on millennial then the premillennialist would think you weren't even a Christian. It happened a lot and then on millennial said say no. No, let's talk. You know, and so that's getting better and on millennialism is growing by leaps and bounds in America.
Because of what the scriptures teach got something my eyes Sorry about that, and I'm gonna go through some of the stuff and show some things. We'll talk about the rapture we'll talk about the millennium and I'm gonna be kind of hitting around because there's so much to study and We'll just see how it goes.
And for those of you who are Watching online you can save your questions for a little bit later. And I would suggest that if you want you can take a note. Take notes of what I'm saying. And I can Email these notes to you guys if you email me at info at calm org.
Then I can just take attach these notes and email them to you and you can have them but Also, it's already on Karm, but I'm going to go through so if you go to calm and you type in Two ages in support of all millennialism.
You'll find the article and I have it there. So what I've done over the years is I've taught this study and That's gonna sound arrogant. It's not meant to be but no one has ever refuted it. I've had people who say they don't agree but no one's been able to to undo the arguments and not at all and Now one person said he had refuted me but his arguments were about as solid as his, you know paper mache and He said he goes I'd beat you, you know, what are you talking about?
We're not even to beat everybody. So that's the only guy who even tried and I'm not saying it's it's unassailable. But when you start seeing what the scriptures teach you start going. Wait a minute. How come it wasn't taught this before and I've gotten this that's why I'm surprised that they're not here because This they wanted to hear this, but we'll see they come in later or whatever.
So we'll see but nevertheless the scriptures teach that there's two ages this age and the age to come if You've been a Christian for years and years and years and years. You've gone to church and you've never heard this.
It's unfortunate the scriptures teach this blast. Matthew 1232 Jesus has blasphemy. The Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in this age or the age to come. In Mark 10 30 and Luke 18 30 we receive much in this age and the age to come will receive eternal life.
Ephesians 121 far above all rule and authority power and dominion and every name that is named not only in this age. But also in the one to come. Obviously, it's this age in the age to come and so what I've done the last time I really kind of taught this I was at a church and We had two chalkboards there were equal size and then in the middle was a metal Divider because there were two chalkboards.
It was perfect this age the age to come and we use that dividing line as. As the end of this age, so if you think about it this way we're going to do is go through this. If so from left to right, okay, so it's this age and the age to come there's only two ages in this age we have.
But you know as it says in this age, we receive 100 times as much mark 10 30. Luke 18 30 people are given in marriage. Luke 20 34 the wisdom of this age or this world is the wisdom of this age. 1st Corinthians or yeah 1st Corinthians 120 the ruler of this age the rulers of this age are coming to nothing.
1st Corinthians 2 6 Satan is a god of this age. 2nd Corinthians 4 4 Jesus rescued us from this present evil age. Galatians 1 4 so That's what it is. And so what we do let's imagine this is on the left side.
You have this this age and the age to come. Well, if we have this age in the age to come and in the age to come it says we have eternal life. And there's no marriage that we know that that age is without end.
Because that's what we have eternal life in this age. We have troubles and marriage and that there's no marriage that we have eternal life now. We possess eternal life right now. 1st John 5 13 these things are written so you may know you have eternal life.
But what it's talking about there is after the eschaton the arrival of Christ and on the consummation of the ages. But you're not going to hear this taught in many churches at all, but it's right there in Scripture.
That's why I memorize Scripture. That's why I give so many references. Look at what it says. Look at what it says. So this age the age to come as you're looking left to right. All right. Now we want to do is ask questions.
Questions. Now if you were to go to this chart right here, which says end of this age last day day the Lord last trumpet after the tribulation. Now if you go there. There's a we got a problem here in that.
This is just new information. We don't have a pencil and paper. We're not all sitting down on tables for two hours going through everything. Let's do this one thing at a time. We're sitting here. We've got this information and I have I believe I didn't put in this one.
Did I print this up? All the references. For all of them in another study I have I have them all printed up in a big file and I put them up in here and here they are. But what you need to do is go look at every one of these and look at their context.
Make sure that what I'm saying and drawing from them is accurate. Always check because my last name is slick so you can't trust a guy a reverend named slick. All right. So what we're gonna do is go over this you won't have time to verify everything.
But I want you to verify. I want you to go through and look at them. But as you can see We have five categories the end of this age. The last day the day of the Lord the last trumpet and after the tribulation.
So the judgment of good occurs at the last trumpet now, you know what? I could do just get my laptop right here and I can read the verses. Is all I gotta do is just come in here and so for example. It says 1st Corinthians 1 8, okay, and Who will confirm you to the end blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ and then 5 5 so 1st Corinthians 5 5 Which says I've decided to deliver such such a one to Satan for the destruction of his Destruction of his flesh so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
So Judgment occurs on the day of the Lord. So if you look in the column here the day of the Lord, I should have that work down there as well. Second 1st Corinthians and do I have it in there don't have it in there.
You should I should write it in there that the day of the Lord because it says that the spirit will be saved on the day of the Lord. This is my simple I simplified one for printing. So We see that the day of the Lord occurs there and we see that Paul is what he delivers him over for it for salvation for the judgment to come on the day of the Lord and in 1st Corinthians 1 8 that you be found blameless in the day Of our Lord Jesus Christ.
There's gonna be a judgment. The judgments coming and it has to do with the day of the Lord. So what we would say is the day of the Lord. We would put this in by my pen. I would put it in there 1st Corinthians 1 8.
Hope it didn't you know what I did. When I copy this I put it in the wrong column. I Moved it over. That's what I did. So let's verify it. Maybe I only did it with that one. I hope I just said it with that one.
We'll find out but that's where it's supposed to be the day of the Lord so this. You know, like I said, I do so much research and writing and copying and pasting that maybe I messed up. So look at Matthew 13 40.
Okay, let's verify. We'll do a few of these make sure on the right track. Matthew 13 40. It says so just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire social be at the end of the age. All right, so that's correct.
But the end of the age that's when the wicked are gathered. At the tares are gathered at the end of the age. So we say at the end of the age the wicked are gathered that this is not hard. It's what it says and also go down to 49 50 which says.
So it will be at the end of the age the angels will come forth and take take out of. Take the wicked out from among the righteous. And we'll throw them into the furnace of fire and there'll be weeping and gnashing of teeth and notice what it says.
It's the wicked who are taken out from among the righteous. What's taught today? It's the opposite that the good are taken away out of the bad, but that's not what Jesus says. We're gonna show you even more of this.
Now the judgment of the wicked occurs at the end of this age. We see that in their little chart and now I'm gonna go to John 12 48. Okay. All right. Last one. There's a Mormon. Let's see. All right. He who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has one who judges him the word.
I spoke will judge him at the last day. So looks like I just messed up on that last trumpet one way copying things over we'll see we get down to other stuff. So Matthew 12 John 12 48 the The judgment is on the last day.
We'll judge him on the last day. Now, here's the question. Imagine our little thing in the air this age in the age to come the age to come there is no last day. Because it goes on forever. Logically, there has to be a last day in this age.
So the judgment of the wicked occurs at the last day. Where would you put the last day? Well when I normally do this, I you know, I go just to the left of The right the edge and I just go last day and I put an arrow near it.
Okay. So we also know that that's the day of the Lord. Because they'll be judged on the last day. Because we know that the wicked judgment of the wicked occurs at the end of the age from what Jesus says in Matthew 13 40 to 42.
We already went over that. Okay, so he'll be at the end of the age at the wicked are gathered. And they're the wicked are gathered out from among the good. Now remember. As it was in days of Noah's so shall it be the days of the coming of the Son of man.
For they were eating they Were drinking. They were giving in merit to the day that no entered the ark and the flood came and took them all away. Two men will be in the field when it's taken when it's left.
Everybody believes that's the rapture and it is not. It is the wicked who were taken. Because the parallel says and the flood came and took them all away or the flood came and destroyed them all the ones who were Destroyed were the ones who are giving in marriage and and stuff and they're the ones who are the wicked and then they asked Jesus.
We'll probably get to it later where they're taken and Jesus says where the body is the vultures gather. So that that a rapture occurs that's in first Thessalonians 4 chapter Chapter 4 verse 16 through chapter 5 verse 2 the rapture occurs.
But there's two men in the field one is taken one is left. Is not the rapture. What gets me what bothers me to no end is why every single time I've ever taken anybody through it every time without exception.
That I've shown somebody Matthew 24 Luke 17 Matthew 24 Luke 17 and I go it's a rapture. It's a rapture. I go wait a minute. Who's the with taken? They go the wicked is taken what and they see it and they go you're right.
Every time it's the wicked who are taken and then they ask him where they take him. And he answers where the body is the vultures are gathered. I Asked this question. Why is it that preacher that pastors and teachers are teaching this for years and years and years and First of all, nobody's ever cross-checking them and second they're not getting it.
What else are they missing? If they're not even getting that. That's what worries me. That's why I tell people like tonight I was in a chat room discussing today and I do all the time. Somebody was talking about God being outside of time.
And I said don't say that. You don't know what it means. Oh, you see gosh not outside of time. I said no. No, no, you understand. What is that mean? Tell me what it means to be outside of time. You don't know.
You don't know what it means. You don't know what we're only inside of time. We don't have the ability to know what it is outside of time. We don't know so don't say it's what God is. It sounds good, but people don't think.
Please react. It's true. He's outside of time. Wasn't me or like on the radio. Someone called me up today and Matthew 25 for 27 46. I think it was Where Jesus says on the cross my God my God, why have you forsaken me?
And they said one guy I've read these preachers. He said that's when God turned his back on Jesus and I say What does that mean? What does it mean to say that God the Father turns his back on the Son?
Because I would ask what does it mean We turns his back on him. I got that. What does it mean to turn his back on him? He's saying didn't want him to do with him anymore. Go watch my back on somebody.
It means I'm angry at him. I don't want to talk to him. Is that what you're saying God the Father did with the Son? That's not what it says, but people will assume so many things and they do not check them and I say check them.
What does it say? What does it mean? It's why I quote scripture so much. All right now. The elect are gathered now, we're gonna spend some time in Matthew 24. All right, so let's go to Matthew 24. We're gonna burst some bubbles doing this.
The rapture. You've been taken. And never clarified. Yeah, that's we'll get to that later the first ones taken when Christ comes back of the wicked we'll get to that later. Yeah right. That's right and where I do is I show people from God's Word, that's what it says.
I've had so many people say, you know, I don't like talking to you. You know, why is that because you quote scripture all the time and not to go check it out in it. That's what it says. No, sure. That's another topic but you go to.
Yeah.
The millennial reign is a thousand years.
That's what you've been told. Is it we'll get to it and we'll see and we'll see. Okay, let's get to what it says in Matthew 24. Jesus came out of the temple and was going away when his disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to him and he Said to them.
Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you not one stone here will be left upon another which will not be torn down. As a prophecy fulfilled in 70 AD. He was sitting at the Mount of Olives and his disciples came up to him privately saying tell us when will these things happen?
And what will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age? Right there. I mean you don't hear anybody talk about it. Anyway, he says in verse 4 see to it that no one misleads you for many will come in my name saying I am the Christ.
And will mislead many. You'll be hearing of wars and rumors of war see that you are not frightened for those things must take place. But that is not yet the end for nation will rise against nation kingdom against kingdom and in various places there be famines and earthquakes.
But these are merely the beginning of the birth pangs. That means it's gonna get worse. That's why we call it the Prescott ology. But all these things are really the birth pains. Okay, verse 9. Then they will deliver you to tribulation and will kill you and you will be hated by all nations because of my name.
At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. Many false prophets will arise will just mislead many because lawlessness is increased. Most people's love will grow cold.
But the one who endures to the end will be saved. The gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations and then the end will come. Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation, which is spoken of through Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place.
Let the reader understand. Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. Whoever's on the housetop must not go down to get things out of his house. Whoever's in the field must not turn back to get his cloak.
But woe to those who are pregnant and those who are nursing babies in those days. But pray that your flight will not be in the winter or on a Sabbath or then there shall be great tribulation. Such has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now nor ever will.
Unless those days be cut short. No life will be saved now. I'm gonna come back to that later. I did 24 22. No life would be saved but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. Then if anyone says to you behold, here is the Christ or there he is do not believe him.
Or do not believe him for false Christ and false prophets will arise will show great signs and wonders. So as miss to mislead if possible, even the elect behold, I've told you in advance. So if they say to you behold, he's in the wilderness do not go out or behold He's in the inner rooms do not believe them for just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the West.
So will the coming of the Son of Man be wherever the corpse is there? The vultures will gather now back up a little bit and notice what it says the tribulation, right? What verse was that? I should have made a mental note of it because it said to be great tribulation that never And never will be again right so you talk about yeah there it is verse 21 the big great tribulation.
Okay. Now he keeps going but look at verse 29, but immediately after that tribulation of those days so he talked about the great tribulation and he's top of the because after the tribulation of those days.
The Sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light and the stars will from all from the sky. The powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the Son of Man will appear in the sky and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and they will see the son of man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory and He will send forth his angels with a great trumpet and that's out of first Thessalonians 4 16 the rapture.
The great trumpet and they will gather together his elect from the four winds from one end of the sky to the other. So according to Jesus when is a rapture occur? After the tribulation. This was given Jewish mindset.
Yeah. Yeah. But there's more. So but he is he is saying that is after the tribulation is when the elector gathered with a trumpet. We're gonna we're gonna be getting to some more stuff. So this is what Jesus says.
We might as well just jump over here. Let's go to first Thessalonians 4 16. And it says this in first Thessalonians 4 16. But the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God.
Right with the trumpet of God now when you are looking at Matthew 24. What was it roughly? 20 24 that I'll go down and find a letter. Here we go Medley after in verse 29 in Matthew 24 after the tribulation, etc.
He'll in verse 31 He'll set forth his angels with a great trumpet and I'll gather together his elect. There's only one gathering not two and it says in first Thessalonians 4. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God.
The dead in Christ will rise first. The dead in Christ are those who have died in the faith before Jesus returns. They're gonna be resurrected first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together With them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so we shall always be with the Lord now comfort one another with these words.
Now as to the times and the epics brethren you have no need of anything to be written to you. For you yourself know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. The day of the Lord is the rapture, right?
Right the day of the Lord's rapture, that's what he says.
Yeah, that's a Jewish nation thing we'll get into that that's historic premillennialism.
Yeah, we know. Well, we're just going through what it's he's what it says because what it says here right now is. But we don't do all the whole all at once we can only go one thing at a time. So I'm showing is that what it says here is a day of the Lord is the rapture that's what it says because the the rapture which is the Comes with the.
Yeah, that's what it says we're caught up in the air to meet him right so that we're caught up to meet Jesus in the air. The resurrection occurs. That's when the resurrection. We're not done. There's a lot here and the resurrection occurs and it is the day of the Lord.
The chapter break in English is just unfortunate. But it goes on now as to the times and the epics brethren. You have no one to be able to teach you or to be written to you or you yourselves know full.
Well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief of the night. We know that the day of the Lord is also the judgment of the wicked. We've already seen that in John 12 48 and We also know that the last trumpet is when the wicked are gathered.
The wicked. Yeah. Well, hold on. You're going you're jumping all over the place. You got to go one thing at a time. Let me show you let's go this. I'm gonna show you guys now go to 2nd Peter 3 3 9 now notice this most people teach that the rapture happens a literal 1 ,000 years before the new heavens and new earth.
That's the predominant view. But the Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness. But is patient towards you not wishing any to perish before all come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief just like it says in Thessalonians in Which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be burned up with intense heat that day.
There are things worse. They'll be burned up so Peter is saying the day of the Lord comes like a thief is when the new heavens and new earth are made. Paul is saying The day of the Lord comes like a thief is when the rapture occurs.
They're the same day. This is where people start going. What then they say? No, it's a millennium is a thousand years. Go to Revelation 20. This is where it says 20 and we'll do what I always do with people.
Revelation 20 verse 1. Now, I'm gonna ask you is it literal or figurative? Then I saw an angel come down from heaven literal or figurative. Literal literal. Holding the key of the abyss literal or figurative key.
Figurative critique and a great chain in his hand literal or figurative chain. Figuratively, okay laid hold of the dragon. Figurative the serpent of old that's literal. Okay, who is the devil? That's literal and Satan and bound him for a thousand years literal or figurative.
That's the question. Most people just automatically assume it means a literal thousand years. Well, I just say how do you know? Because it's in the context of figurative and literal usage. If they say well, it means literal.
I can say well that it means figurative. If they say well, it's figurative. I get well then it means literal because either one can be used. Particularly when you understand that God says I own he owns the cattle on a thousand hills not a thousand one a Days, but a thousand years a thousand years, but a day the thousand is also figurative there.
It's used in a figurative context. I'm not saying it's that the logic is this the logic is not that it doesn't it does not mean there is no Literal thousand years. The logic is you can't use this verse to prove it is a literal thousand years.
That's the point. You can't use it to prove it. You can use it as support, but it doesn't prove anything because if I were debating somebody on this I'd say what's the context? Well, it's good livered little and figuratively.
Why do you choose that it's to be literal because what you're taught. Then I say if that's the case and why is it the day of the Lord which is beginning of the of the? Rapture, which is the beginning of the millennium is also a day of Lord comes like a thief.
Which is the new heavens a new earth, which is at the end of the millennium, but they're the same day. That's when people start going well. Because they don't know how to answer that other than to say there's two days of the Lord.
There has to be a day of the Lord here and another day of the Lord there but there isn't. That's right plus. The wicked now are at the end of the age. That's when the day of the Lord occurs. Because a day of the Lord we've already seen is when the wicked are judged.
The day of the Lord is also when the new heavens and new earth are made and when the rapture occurs. When I show people this They you know, they go. Oh, I haven't seen that before and I ask him you ever seen this before.
No, and all these years you've heard of it. No, how about this age in the age to come? You heard that? No, how about two men in the field? What is taking one's left? That's the rapture, right? Yeah, and it's not is it no and I start taking them apart quickly.
So I think it's got a problem here. Now, let's continue now I'm gonna Get during the Millennium Satan's supposed to be bound, right? I'm gonna mess people up during the Millennium. Satan supposed to be bound, right?
Okay, thank you. You in the front you can move up closer towards the that's right so in Matthew 12 22 through 32 I won't read all of it. But this is where Jesus is casting out demons and the Pharisee said you're doing it by the power of the devil so let's look at verse 25 and Knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste and any city or house Divided against itself will not stand if Satan casts out Satan.
So he's saying Satan casts out Satan he's divided against himself. How then will this kingdom stand if I by Beelzebul Cast out demons by whom do your sons cast him out for this reason? They will be your judges, but if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
What? If he's casting out by the by the power of God, he's saying in the kingdom of God is here. That's what he's saying. If I cast out demons by the Spirit of God and the kingdom of God has come upon you.
So was he casting him out by the Spirit of God? Yes, therefore the kingdom of God is there. That's the logic. We're gonna find out there's a lot more. How can anyone or says or how can anyone enter the strongman's house?
That's Satan, right. And Carry off his property unless he first binds the strongman and then he'll plunder his house. Was Jesus plundering his house? Yes. Was Satan bound? Yes. When was Satan bound? When Jesus was there if people tell me he was not bound I said, well then you don't believe what Jesus said.
You say it was bound. And people say well, wait a minute. Are you saying that? There's no literal thousand years ago. That's correct because the thousand is in a figurative context of Revelation 20 you have the rapture comes a day of Lord a thief in the night and.
And then you have the new heavens new earth what's come like a day of Lord could come like a thief. There's the same day in which the wicked are judged and We already said already showed you that the wicked are taken out of the kingdom.
Where he showed you that and we'll get into we'll do this next go to Matthew 13. So the wicked are taken out of the kingdom. That's what Jesus says and he says Satan's already bound. No one hears this you don't hear this from church.
Now, let's go to Matthew 13. That's why people I say look don't trust a guy on the radio named slick. Read for your own check it out. Matthew 13 24. That's another question we're getting some variations of theories about yes or no and Most of us in this camp say he's probably been let loose towards the end of the Millennium.
The thousand years is a figurative usage and he's probably let loose because There is a great rebellion occurring now wars rumors of wars. Everything's going with the Antichrist, but we're not there yet.
Let's go on. So this is what Matthew 13 24 says. Jesus presented another parable to them saying the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while his men were sleeping the enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went away.
But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain then the tares became evident. Also, the slaves of the landowner came and said to him sir. Did you not sow good seed in the field? How then does it have tares and he said to them an enemy has done this the slaves said to him.
Do you want us then to go and gather them up? But he said no for while you're gathering up the tares you may uproot the wheat with them. Verse 30 allow both to grow together until the harvest and the time of the harvest.
I will say the reapers First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them but gather the wheat into my barn. The first ones gathered at the harvest are the wicked. Now if you go down further in that chapter verse 36 Jesus explains the parable he tells us what it means.
Then he left the crowds and went to the house and his disciples came to him and said explained to us the parable the tares Of the field and he said the one who sows the good seed the son of man. The field is the world and as for the good seeds, these are the sons of the kingdom.
The kingdom. That means the wicked are taken out of the kingdom. We already saw that First and he says the good seed of the sons of the kingdom. That means are in the kingdom of Christ now. There's no way to get out of this.
It's what it says. As for the good seed these are the sons of the kingdom and the Tares are the sons of the evil one and the enemy who sowed them as a devil and the harvest is the end of the age and The reapers are angels just as the tares are gathered and burned with fire.
Social it be at the end of the age. The son of man will send forth his angels. Check this out. They will gather out of his kingdom all stumbling blocks and those who commit lawlessness. What are we what are we taught in churches that the first ones who are taken are the good taken out of the bad kingdom.
Jesus is saying the opposite that the kingdom of God is now and the wicked are taken out of his kingdom. I haven't met nobody who who can refute that. At all. The wicked are the ones who are destroyed.
Right and people use Noah as a rapture to use type of rapture well, it doesn't make any sense doesn't work because Noah if they use that I say did they go through the the tribulation and the destruction of the wicked?
Yes, so they were there weren't they? Because. No. But you see. What you're doing is you're just blew automatically because you've been taught this for so many years. Assuming that the resurrection happens at the beginning of the millennium but the resurrection.
Oh. It's a different thing. Until the time of the Gentiles is completed in. Agreed. Matthew 11 24 25 26 says that God is not done with Israel to covenantal aspect 144 ,000 male virgin Jews later revelation 16 are going to be the ones that are going to go out evangelizing and things like that.
God's not done with Israel. No, that's post-millennialism. No, it's gonna get worse and worse. Matthew 24 22, which I said remember that verse. If those days be not cut short, no flesh would be saved.
We haven't even gone to second Thessalonians 2 yet. We're gonna tie some stuff in but I'm trying to show you guys right now. What Jesus is teaching is that the wicked are taken out of his kingdom. It is out of his kingdom.
That's what he says. It is not the case that it's the good who are taken out of the bad kingdom. It's the opposite of what everybody's been teaching you. Is the book of Revelation. You're asking so many deep questions.
Most probably probably we read everything in its context and you interpret in context is called.
But the thing you can take Talking about context you can take Context and make anything out of it.
Let me ask you does Jesus here say that the wicked are taken out of his kingdom. Then the wicked are taken out of his kingdom. Did he say that Satan was?
Jesus lived. He brought in the kingdom of God. Okay, it's a spiritual kingdom now until he comes there you go. Thousand years.
That's what people think but you don't find that because if notes. It's not if the rapture and the and the new heavens and new earth are on the same day. You can't have a thousand-year reign because the day of we already went over this the first Thessalonians 4 16 through chapter 5 verse 2.
The day of the Lord come like a thief of the night which the shout of the archangel and the trumpet of God the dead in Christ shall rise first. So that's the rapture. Okay, and then he says now it's the times and the epics brethren.
You have no need of anyone. Let me finish. You have no need of anyone to teach you for the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. So he is saying that the rapture In the resurrection the rapture and resurrection there are the day of the Lord.
That's what that's what Paul the Apostle is saying. Peter says the day of the Lord come like a thief is when the new heavens and new earth are made. They're the same day.
Getting back to what you said about the Noah and the day it'll be as in the days of Noah.
There were bad people than that for lame, but Jesus but Noah was good. Genesis 6 9 and then the. But we're way off topic. You got to focus. We're gonna focus. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Realize anything. They were wicked people.
Yeah, we could were killed. Yeah, we haven't gotten there yet. I'm teaching on this whole thing, oh, yeah. I've done this many many many many many times over the years. So We're getting there. We're getting there.
All right. So what we're trying to establish is what Jesus is teaching. Jesus taught that the kingdom of God was then that Jesus taught that Satan was already bound. Jesus taught at the end of the age the wicked are the ones who are taken out of the kingdom.
This is what Jesus says. This is not me. Just interpreting it. I'm reading it and It's great. There's no what it says. This is why I say what I've done this with blackboards and stuff. You guys tell me is that what it says?
Where's it go? And they tell me that's right. That's what it goes. Let's go the next next thing. What does that mean. Well. What to me? There you're asking other questions not related to what we're going through yet.
But to be bound does not mean he can't do anything. It doesn't mean he's no. I can still kick. I can still kick. I can still push things over. So when it says Satan's bound I ask people if you think it means he can't do anything show me the text where it says that because even as Jesus said in Matthew 13 that Satan was bound later on Satan enters into Judas.
And as Judas goes into the night. So we can conclude that Satan's binding is and you'll see what it is later. So that he will not deceive the nation's that's what it means to bind him so the nation's will not be deceived.
Babies will be 100 years old. So literal babies 100 years old. Literal babies a literal hundred years old. Because it says in there that there's the babies will be lived to be a hundred years old babies.
Okay. Okay, what you're doing is you're not listening to what Jesus is teaching here. We can't jump all. No, no, no, yeah, I'm the teacher but I'm saying we're going through one thing at a time. Good do you agree that Jesus bound Satan back then?
But I asked the question do you agree that Satan was bound. For a thousand years. No, no, no, no. Okay. First of all. Was did what Satan bound according to Jesus own words in math in Matthew 12? Doesn't say that situation.
Jesus said so Jesus said he was bound and. Then he also said. At the text says that Satan entered Judas later on. So we know that Satan was bound and yet he was still able to enter in. The what the binding is in regard is that he will not be allowed to deceive the nation's any longer.
Yeah. But that's what it says. You see she says he's bound. So I'm gonna say he's bound and then it also says that Satan entered into Judas so he's bound. But he can still do stuff and what's the binding and regarding to to not deceive the nation's anymore.
Permissive will in this whole matter of what Satan can or can't do. Well, let's do the text says Matthew.
Revelation 20 we already went through 20 verse 1 verse 2. They told the dragon the serpent of old is a devil and Satan and bound him for a thousand years. And he threw him into the abyss and sealed it and shut over him so that he would not deceive the nation's any longer.
So that's what the binding is about not deceiving the nation's. Okay, okay, you're not you're not sharing. No, no, no, you're not hearing. Okay that sit. Jesus said he was bound. The binding does not mean he can't do anything.
But let me finish. Okay, you don't understand here. Hold on. I'm going to answer but it's I need to finish the sentence. I need to finish the sentences. Okay. So Satan is bound according to Jesus words, which we already read.
I showed you that Satan also enters into Judas and then I've showed you that the binding is in regard to deceiving the nation's. So it does not mean he can't do other things and be evil in the world or that people can't be deceived.
It has to do with deceiving the nation's. That's what the binding is for here. But we know that Satan was bound because Jesus said he was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So but you just see the nation's anymore.
So the nation's you're not familiar with Covenant or probably not familiar with the issue of demonic realms as far as geographical locations go. Okay, good. So this is what he said he's bound for so the kingdom of God is here because Jesus said the kingdom of God is among you and the wicked are taken out of his kingdom and The rapture occurs After the wicked are taken out of the kingdom according to Matthew 13 allow both to go together till the time of the harvest.
I'll say to the Reapers first gather the tares the first ones gathered at the return of Christ are the wicked not the good and They're taken out of his kingdom and that has to happen Before the the new heavens and new earth are made.
But it's on the same day that new heavens and new earth is made. No one's refuted it when they look at it and they say okay, he's bound. But if that's so he doesn't see the nation's but he was still able to enter into Satan.
So we conclude the binding does not mean he can't deceive people because he was deceiving obviously Judas. But it has to do with a national effort and entire groups. He doesn't have that power to do that until he's let loose now.
I personally my opinion is he's been let loose. Which is we sing this deception coming on that's another issue and then we know that at the there's only two ages this age and the age to come at the end of the age is when the rapture occurs because Jesus says the harvest is at the end of the age and He also says at the end of the age is when the wicked are taken but the first ones taken are the good.
The first one scooby the first was taken or the wicked and they're taken out of his kingdom which means we're in the kingdom of Christ now and the first one's taken or the wicked out of his kingdom and that's the day of the Lord because the wicked are taken before the Christians the Christians are raptured which is the day of the Lord come like a thief and which is when second Second Peter 2 3 10 2 3 10 says that's also the day that new heavens and new earth are made.
There is no literal thousand years. It can't exist. It can't. Yeah, it's okay disagree but what I say to people when they do I say can you refute the arrangement of the information. That is there. Because I show them for example, I'll show them two men to feel one is taken one is left.
That's not the rapture and then they're shocked. You're right. It's not the rapture in fact, it says that they're taken to a place of destruction and death and Jesus says that the wicked are taken and bound and burned.
That's a place of destruction and death. Are you feeling with preterism and partial preterism. Preachers preterism and partial preterism. The partial preterism is within orthodoxy full preterism is not and that's and I guess another topic.
But partial preterism says that these things that are spoken There are also fulfilled later and that they're simultaneous are fulfilled at the beginning and at the end like bookends. And I have no problem with that.
But preterists will say that Jesus returned in 70 AD and that's wrong because Acts 1 9 to 11 just refutes that flat-out. I'm surprised and I've recently just well, that's a post. Mel won't get into that tangent a tangent inside of our tangent now.
It's alright. That's alright. That's okay. It's alright. I'm used to it. So now let's go to John 639 we'll just do some reach, you know, John 639. And which says this is the will of him who sent me that all he's given me I lose nothing but raise it up on.
The last day once a resurrection occurred the last day. The last day is at the end of this age. That's what need to turn right it wasn't the last day. Okay. So that's the last day in verse 40. But this is the will of my father that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in him will have eternal life.
But I myself will raise him up in the last day that resurrection. That is prophesied in first Corinthians 15 35 to 45. That the body is raised and glorified. There's only one resurrection. When the return of Christ you don't find a resurrection here and then a resurrection there and another resurrection over there.
You don't find that you find it one the day of the Lord the resurrection. And he says I'll raise him up on the last day. There's one resurrection and it occurs on the last day according to what Jesus said.
Yeah. Yeah, which is first Thessalonians 4. Well. Time wise or event wise because. Well. Let's go through the scripture says so we already have been to for example. We've already been to a first Thessalonians 4 will go there again because Jesus said.
Jesus said that he will raise up his people on the last day. That's the resurrection birth first Thessalonians 4 16 for the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the Archangel the trumpet of God and the dead in Christ will rise first.
That's the resurrection.
And that's that's predicated upon what you established right on the front. There's two ages. Yep.
Well, and then you're disagreeing with Paul and Jesus. The scriptures teach this age. But the scriptures teach this age and age to come. That's what I teach as I study it and I show people I go how many ages are there they go to.
That's what it says, that's why I went from the beginning and showed that's what it says. Oh. Then if there's three ages. Then you have a problem because the Bible says there's this age and the age to come not a middle age unless you're into.
What's that guy the Middle Kingdom? No, the Lord of the Rings. Thank you. So the Bible doesn't teach three ages. It teaches to this age the age to come and what happens at this end of this age. So there is no there's just no room for a literal 1 ,000 year period between this age and age to come particularly since it says the rapture occurs on day of the Lord.
Come like a thief and so as the new heavens and new earth and It had the rapture which is the harvest which happens at the end of the age. So there is no another Resurrection or rapture, whatever it is at the end of the millennial.
Brain can't exist. Can't. Yeah, because they take it literally when they don't have to. Because when you look at other stuff you'll find out that it starts falling apart. What did you say.
With the Reference point when you're reading the Bible you read and take things literally. All the time until you come to a place where it has to be symbolic or something like that more or less.
Yeah. Yeah, usually those things are literal we try and do it but also there's another. Yes, you do. Yes, you do. Yeah. I just had that discussion with somebody in a discussion discussion room and some other stuff.
Yeah, that's not let's get into that later, okay, I'm gonna show you but yeah. It's a common mistake that they make a revelation chapter 4. That's a last mention of the church. It's not true. But that's it's a common mistake.
Sorry, but it is so what we have here. Is that Jesus is returned? Because he comes to get his people it happens at the end of the age. Which is when the rapture occurs, which is when the last trumpet occurs.
Which is after the tribulation the Great Tribulation and the thief of the comes like a thief of the night. That's when the day of the Lord is. All this happens at basically the same time. Let's see what.
Oh, man, it feels better that we won't go through this stuff, but that's not what the scriptures teach. It says run flee when you see hide. Because in modern-day American theology, we're America so we get to get out because we're following the blonde-haired blue-eyed Caucasian surfer Jesus.
Who's standing at the door of your art making or knocking on the door asking him? We're asking you for permission to come into your life and they don't realize that is completely unbiblical. He doesn't ask permission.
He grants that you believe Philippians 129. He grants that you have repentance second Timothy 225. He causes you to be born again. First Peter 1 3 you're born again. Not of your own will John 1 13. What I teach is biblical theology, but what a lot of churches are teaching in my opinion I'm gonna step on toes here.
You guys are listening. Almost 70 people listen to watching what I'm teaching is not the stuff that is comfort theology. I don't teach man be pambi theology in diaper Indianism. I teach this is what it says and we need to wake up and shake up and start getting out there and pushing for the arrival of the end of What I do that I hate it when I say things like that.
That's right. Because there's a phrase. That's right. Disagree. Please do because I'm used to phrases. No, that had four days lips are sexual but it's like another it's another one I do where I say you're saved by grace after all you can do because I've quoted the Book of Mormon so many times that it comes Out and the arrival of the antichrist and they go.
No, no, no, they're able to Jesus. It's just a habit. So I laugh at myself when I do that and I do that I'm human. Well, you got that, right? Oh. Any verses are right here. What am I talking about right here?
They're right here in this person. Look at this. I wish I'd have done that right there in front of me. So They're right there. See oh Man, I did have it. So look at this Matthew 7 22. Okay, the day we can look at the right column that day is the day of judgment.
See Lord Lord, I prophesied your name and he could okay. Well, maybe we'll say to be on that day. That's the day of judgment. John 639 the resurrection occurs on the last day. And that's John 640 also and John 644 and John 6 6 54 and John 11 24 Martha said I know he will rise again to the resurrection at the last day.
See they understood the last day. The last day this was a Jewish thinking there was a specific day called the last day. They didn't say that you don't find any Jewishness about a literal thousand years.
There's the last day before that another last day of that. And then John 12 48 the judgment occurs on the last day now in Acts 2 20. The Sun will be turned into darkness to moon into blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
The day Of the Lord is when the rapture occurs. Yeah, oh, yeah, absolutely good that's why the rapture is at the end of the tribulation we go through it. First one is one eight. He will keep you strong to the end so that you'll be blameless on the day of our Lord.
The day of the Lord is a good time to be found blameless. I have my notes here. It's a good day to be found blameless and First goodness 50 or five five the day of the Lord is a day of destruction and salvation.
When What They were inside the nation the plagues occurred.
No, they didn't. Before he puts judgment. Well, I would accept what you mean by go through it. They were there they were there. They were very worth it. Yeah, but they went through it like everybody else.
They were just it was around them. They were in it.
And and the first ones taken when Jesus comes back because you say that you're taken the first was taken to the wicked and That's when the judgment occurs of the wicked. So that happens at the end of the age.
There's no way getting out of this. When you realize that the judgment of the wicked occurs at the end of the age, which is the harvest which is the rapture. There's no thousand-year period that it just cannot fit.
We're looking forward to the return of Christ. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. No, well it's like saying a kabillion it means thousand but here's a secret a lot of people don't know is That words me what they mean in context.
I can show you and prove from Scripture where the word all means limited group. I can show you where the word all means only believers. I can show you the word where the word no W only refers to the saved.
I can show Various things like this by looking at word patterns that God uses most people. Don't know this and don't do it and don't study it. The job of the pastor Ephesians 4 11 and 12 is to equip the Christians for the work of ministry.
What I think a lot of them are doing is babysitting. I think Paul too, but yeah. That's right milk. So what I do is I cause people to think to be challenged. I like it when they say I don't like what you said, but I'm gonna go study it good.
And I don't mind when they come back and say, you know, I studied. That's what Act 17 11, that's right. So, let's let's continue. 1st Thessalonians 5 2, you know very well that the day of the Lord come like a thief in the night.
That's a day of the Lord is when the rapture occurs. 2nd Timothy 1 18 may the Lord grant that you will find mercy from the Lord on that day. You want mercy on that day? That's the day of judgment. Rewards are on that day in 2nd Timothy 4 8.
Which the Lord that righteous judge will reward me on that day. There's only one day that this happens on 2nd Peter 3 10 but the day of the Lord will come like a thief which the heavens will disappear with the roar and the elements will be Destroyed with fire and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.
That's what it says the day of the Lord come like a thief. The day of the Lord is when the new heavens and new earth are made. The day of the Lord when the rapture occurs. But the rapture comes after.
The wicked are taken what Nephilim in the back. That's for the last week it's a long disorders. It was fun it was fun. I heard that we were violent too. That's what I've been here. Yes. You don't know what's gonna happen right now you don't know when it's gonna happen, right but That means the day the specific one day of his return.
This might be going on for weeks or months or maybe in a year or two. I don't know but it's gonna be going on for a long period of time. But think about this. The rapture and the pre-trib view occurs exactly seven years to the day before Christ returns.
So during the bullet during the seven-year tribulation of its preacher of rapture say it happens on January 1st 30 2030. Okay, and that means the Christian people who become Christians during the millennium will know exactly what day he comes back.
But the Bible says no man will know that day.
He comes at the feet of night as you say, but then we hunt custom water.
So, yeah. Why can't you I can't every I see him. Why not. No, I'm just believing it just what it says they caught up to the. But the Bible says will be caught up together and the Bible says every I will see him.
Both are true. Why can't it be that Christ comes back. Supernaturally, everyone is seeing him and the rapture occurs. Were caught up. Why can't it happen at the same time? Nothing in the scriptures that has to be separate a.
Contradiction occurs when one thing does not permit another thing to occur. There's no contradiction there. It's a lot an issue of logic. There's no contradiction whatsoever. Both can occur. Thanks, hon, I forgot to get my own water.
Notice she did not make me a sandwich. That's an inside joke from okay. I didn't ask one. She's a good sandwich maker. So so let's continue. Matthew 24 3 and verse 31 tell us when will be this the the things be and won't be the sign of your coming and.
The answer said Etc. Etc. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call and it will gather his elect in the four winds. That's the rapture. That's what he says that's the rapture and that happens at the end of the age.
There's only two ages and the rapture happens at the end of the age and that's when the elector are gathered. But Jesus says at the end of the harvest at the end of the age in Matthew 13 and the wicked are taken first.
I've seen no pre-tribber get around this they just now. First goodness 1552 in a flash in the twinkling of an eye the last trumpet for the trumpet will sound. The dead will be raised imperishable and will be changed.
That's another place where the rapture is mentioned in first goodness 15 the resurrection and twinkling of an eye. But it says with the last trumpet. The it doesn't see the last of it says the trumpet.
Oh, that's a the last rubric right there took even I at the last trumpet. That's when the dead are raised First Thessalonians 4 16. We've already said that the trumpet is when the dead are raised. So that trumpet as the dead are raised in 1st Thessalonians 4 16 is also the last trumpet.
Enough that Paul says it is the last trumpet the debtor raised. They're raised in first Thessalonians 4 16 with the trumpet. So that's the last trumpet. Simple logic. Now when you go to Revelation 10 verse 7, but in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished just as he announced to his servants the prophets.
The mystery is accomplished at the seventh trumpet, and there's only seven trumpets. That's the last trumpet. So the mystery is accomplished at the last trumpet. Ephesians 3, 3 -6, that is the mystery made known to me by Revelation as I have already written briefly.
In reading this then you'll be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ which was not made known to men in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God's holy apostles and prophets.
The mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together with one body and shares together the promise of Christ. That's the mystery, that the Gentiles are going to be saved.
Why is that true that way? A lot of people don't understand why. Because Jesus was not sent to the whole world. Matthew 15, 24, he says, I was, he was, that's right, said only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
But in Genesis 12, 3, God said to Abraham, in you all the nations will be blessed. All the nation is going to be blessed in you, but Jesus is only sent to the Jews. It's not a contradiction because the Jews covenantally rejected the Messiah so we the Gentiles are grafted in.
Romans 8 talks about this, John 14. We're grafted in and so Genesis 12, 3, in you all the nations will be blessed. Paul quotes that in Galatians 3, 8 and calls it the gospel. So the promise is complete.
God goes, he says, you're all going to be blessed in Abraham, everybody, all the nations, not every individual, all the nations. And then he says, but the Messiah is only sent to Israel. But the Messiah is the one who's going to bless everybody.
Well, how could that be? Simple. They rejected the Messiah, they broke the covenant, then we were.
Grafted in. Makes perfect sense. That's right, before he was circumcised. That's right. So, if you go to this.
Page that says summation, the harvest occurs at the same time as the judgment of the wicked, Matthew 13 39. The judgment is at the end of the age, Matthew 13 39. The weeds are gathered and burned at the end of the age, the resurrection of the good is at the end of the age.
And notice a number four, the resurrection of the good is on the last day. The resurrection of the good is on the end of the age, therefore, at the end of the age is the last day. The resurrection of the good is on the day of the Lord.
The day of the Lord then is at the last day, which is at the end of the age. And there's only two ages. The elect are gathered at the end of the age with the sound of a trumpet. At the last trumpet, the dead are raised and the rapture occurs.
I should put this in here, but before the rapture, the wicked are gathered to be judged. And that has to happen at the last day, at the end of the age. Therefore, the resurrection and the rapture occur at the end of the age, which also occurs with the wicked being taken, which is a day of the Lord, which is his return, which is also the last trumpet.
All this happens at the return of Jesus. There is no room for a literal future 1 ,000 years. This doesn't work. Now, 65 people in the room. Now I'm gonna, now we're gonna get into some Deprescatology.
Well, that's the Bible study from last week. All right. I have, here's the verses. You can see them all. I have the references. You guys don't have this sheet, but here's the references. I won't read all the references at the end, but they're right there, okay?
And it says, out of my article on calm, oh, you can go to the calm .org website. Have you been to my website, calm .org? No, I haven't. Oh, heretic. It's okay for me, brother, wasn't it? Yeah, I, yeah, that's, that's it.
And so, so it's on the, on the calm website. Signs of the end times is what you just do a search for signs of the end times. And you'll see this very list. I just copied it from the website and put it here in the paper, printed it up.
All right. So, so this is deprescatology. The presence of, we haven't even gone to 2 Thessalonians 2. We'll go to 2 Thessalonians 2 after this. Presence of false Christs and false prophets, out of Matthew 24.
There'll be war, persecution of the faithful, apostasy, we're gonna get to that. Lawlessness will increase and love will go cold. Earthquakes, famine, plagues, increase in selfishness, lovers of self, money, pleasure, arrogant, disobedient, ungrateful and unholy, be haters of good, conceited, appearing godly but are not, mocking of Jesus, there'll be an increase in knowledge, be a rise in spiritism.
There's over 50 to 70 million spiritists in the country, in the world today. And along with a rise in Wicca and in witchcraft. Decay of marriage, there'll be a rise of false teachings in the church as well as outside.
We can get, I can tell you, I can, if you guys want, I'll tell you some of the false teachings of the Christian church today, which are taught all over the place and are false. The gospel will be preached to the whole world.
There'll be signs in the heaven. Sun and moon will be darkened. The sign of the son of man will appear in the sky. Abuse and destruction of the earth and its resources. All the nations of the earth will gather against Israel.
That's depressing, that means America too. The rebuilding of the temple, the arrival of the Antichrist, the enforcement of the mark of the beast and no, it's not COVID yet. The repentance of Israel and the Jews coming to faith in Christ, Romans 11, 25 through 26.
In other words, things are gonna get worse. In Matthew 24, 22, Jesus says, if those days be not cut short, no flesh will be left. Now, if you go to Genesis 12, 17, for those of you who don't know, I'm gonna introduce you to a concept called federal headship and I'll teach you what it is and I'm gonna go back to Genesis 2, 17.
Federal headship is a teaching that the male represents the descendants, not the female. So in Adam all die. First Corinthians 15, 22. Romans 5, 18, right. Through one transgression, there resulted condemnation to all men.
So also through one act of righteousness, there resulted justification of life to all men. NASB version, the only correctly translated version of that verse. And so you also go to Hebrews 7, 7 through 10, where it says that Levi paid tithes to Mechazedek while in the loins of his father Abraham.
So Abraham represented his descendants, et cetera. So also Adam and Eve were in the garden. She sinned first. She gave the fruit to Adam, but Romans 5, 12 says that sin entered the world through one man, Adam.
So he's the one, and also when they're both hiding in the garden, the pre-incarnate Jesus came and said to the man, where are you? To the man, where are you? Not Eve, which is what we'd like to do. What's she?
We'll just look at Adam and say, what's she? He went to the man because he's the one who has that authority and representation. Now, Genesis 2, 17. The day that you eat of the fruit, Adam, you will die.
Now, did he die the day he ate the fruit? Of course he did. Because God said so. People get that wrong all the time. Did he die? No. Wait a minute. Did God get it wrong? Ah, but he said death. That's the first mention of death.
And death is separation from God. Physical death is simply the manifestation of spiritual death. The real death is separation from God, Isaiah 39 .2. Your sins are cause of separation between you and God.
So yes, he died. It just took a long time for the full manifestation of spiritual death to occur physically. The spiritual affects the physical. Now, he was talking to Adam. Now, I can't make the case.
I can't prove it. But I lean towards the idea that he was talking to everybody. If you eat this fruit, you're gonna die. In Adam, all die. And so Romans 5 .19, through one transgression, there was condemnation to all men.
No, Romans 5 .19, I can't remember it. At any rate, it says, the many were made sinners. Through one transgression, through Adam's sin, the many were made sinners. That's called original sin. And by Adam's sin, we were made sinners.
And I can get into the Greek on that if you want. Here's passive indicative. But nevertheless, so the many were made sinners. So, federal headship is true. Now, my opinion is this, this is my opinion, that when God was talking to Adam, he's talking to all people.
Because I believe that all people were included in the Adamic covenant, the obligation to honor God, et cetera. And Jesus, and the Bible says, Romans 6 .23, the wages of sin is death. And if those days be not cut short, no flesh would be left.
So my opinion, this is just my opinion, ladies and gentlemen. My opinion is that things are gonna get so bad because mankind is like a depressed catology. Hater of God, doesn't seek for God, doesn't do anything good.
Wars, rumors of war, famines, plagues, earthquakes, love growing cold, persecution of the believers. It's getting worse and worse. The unbelievers are gonna bring themselves to the place of death. If those days be not cut short, no flesh would be left.
I interpret that as my opinion, that that means everyone's gonna die. And so I see Jesus coming back at the end of the age for a gigantic celestial, I told you so, don't eat of the fruit, you did. And it means in a broad sense, everybody, everywhere, all the sin, look what it brought.
And then he's gonna stop mankind from killing itself. New heavens, new earth are made, new heavens good. That's my eschatological view. That's just mine, if you don't agree, that's okay. But that's what I hold to.
And it took me, well, I've been on radio for 17 years. And so it took me two years before I would talk about this on the radio, particularly out of the issue of Matthew 13, where it says that the first one's taken out of the wicket.
I kept reading that, going, the first one's gathered out of the wicket. I kept going, wait a minute. And I remember saying, how come no one else is teaching this? And it wasn't like, hey, I figured something else that no one else did.
It wasn't like that, it was like, am I getting this wrong? Where's the church teaching this? How come I don't hear about this? And I was actually concerned. You know, I was afraid, like, I'm missing something.
Because I can't be the one who's saying this. And I think others did. And I've since met other people who have said, that's what it says. Verse Matthew 13, 30, allow both to grow together until the harvest.
And the time of the harvest, which is the rapture, I'll say to the reapers, first gather the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the weeds in my barn. And then verse 41, he says, the son of man will send his angels and gather out of his kingdom, the stumbling blocks.
That's the wicked. That means the kingdom has to be in existence but when the rapture occurs and throw them in the furnace. And I'm reading this going, no one else is teaching this that I'm aware of. I've since encountered a few others.
And I'm like, okay, this is scaring me. And so for two years, I didn't say anything. And then someone on the radio asked the question about that verse. And I went, here's what I think. And I just said, I'm going for it because I couldn't find in any reading or writing and others I've talked to any difference in nothing.
I tested it for about two years. And that's what I hold to because that's what it says. But the problem is I've never heard anybody else teach it but yet it's right there. Also, it concerns me as two men in a field and one is taken, one is left.
That's not the rapture, but universally it's stated to be the rapture. Wait a minute, they're getting that wrong. They're not getting Matthew 13 right. What's going on? Let's go to 2 Thessalonians 2. Hope you guys on the internet are enjoying this.
How many of you are enjoying this? Okay, I wanna see it because I'm taking a 15 second break here. I got some water and I'm talking and you guys can say, yeah, I'm really enjoying it. Or you can say something like, no, you suck canal water, dude.
You can do either one, it's okay. I like my imitations.
I have another one. You talked about the part where he comes to drink or death, complete annihilation in human because of the evil. It reminds me of Sodom and Gomorrah, that when they just They didn't care.
Was that an angel, all right. That's happened. I could segue into Romans 1 about this because it's eschatological also. Romans 1. Yeah, he got the one who is righteous out. That's what I'm saying.
God always makes a provision for his people.
Except that the destruction was going right around them in the whole area. They were in it. They were in it. Going to the first Thessalonians. So let's go to the second Thessalonians 2. I know that. The first Thessalonians 2 says,.
They tell how you turn to God from idols to serve the living God. We can wait for the son from heaven whom he raised from the dead. Jesus will rescue us from the coming wrath. Coming wrath, right.
Yeah, and you can also go to second Thessalonians 2 .8, I believe it is, or is it second Thessalonians? Or first Thessalonians 2 .8. But salvation. The word wrath there is juxtaposed with damnation or wrath is juxtaposed with salvation.
So he says he's appointed us not to wrath, but salvation. Some people they say, well, that means the tribulation period doesn't say that. It's juxtaposed with damnation or damnation is juxtaposed with salvation.
That's the Jewish context.
I'm reading it in a literal sense.
Nope, no, no.
Juxtaposed, this word means this really and it doesn't mean the normal sense of the word. Well, wait a minute. This is what it says.
You gotta understand the Jewish mindset. I'm gonna just say this. A lot of people have not studied the theology and what's going on in the cultural context and stuff. The Jews, they juxtapose things.
You know, I agree with you there, brother. When did the New Testament start?
You mean the covenantal period or do you mean the physical writing?
No, but most people think when they read Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, the New Testament was in 4th century. Jesus came and lived under the law to fulfill the righteous demands of the law for you and for us.
Yes, I know that. So it's a mindset, like you're saying,.
That is being spoken to all the time.
But look what it says in 1 Thessalonians 5 .9. For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation. So it doesn't say, it doesn't say that has not destined us for going through the tribulation period, but for obtaining salvation.
That's not what's going on. They're the ones who are allegorizing it. They're the ones who are saying the wrath means tribulation period.
The actual reading of that is saying God has not destined us for his wrath, but for salvation. It doesn't say his wrath. It says for wrath. When I read the book of Revelation, it's a great wrath that has never been and never will be.
I got there. But right here, God has not destined us. This is predestination and election. He hasn't destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation. So it's not wrath, but salvation. What's the opposite of salvation?
Damnation. You go to Acts 13 .48, as many as have been appointed to eternal life believed. You also go to Romans 9 .22 and 23, which says that as many as have been appointed to, no, with God, although willing to demonstrate his wrath, endured with much patience, vessels of wrath prepared for destruction.
Vessels of wrath prepared for destruction. And he did so. And it goes on. What he's talking about are those who are damned. So the word wrath here, when it's in context here, is not about a rapture thing.
It's not about a tribulation period. It's about salvation. That's it. Let's go to second Thessalonians two. Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to him.
Now this is talking about a gathering when Jesus returns. That you be not quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter, as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
Now we're far more familiar with this phrase, the day of the Lord, which is when the rapture occurs and new heavens and words are made, right? The judgment of the wicked occurs, et cetera. Let no one deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first.
And the men of lawlessness reveal the threat of destruction. Now let's talk about the apostasy. Now, apostasy means the falling away from the truth. But here's a question. Who's doing the falling away?
The Roman Catholic Church, obviously, is apostate. It is false. And I could teach on that for a long time. The Eastern Orthodox, false church. Okay, would we Protestants say that this applies to us? Well, of course not, because we're the Protestants, we let it down.
We may have disagreements, but we're okay. Doesn't work. That's right. So even though God keeps his elect specific individuals that he wants, he keeps them. We know that. The apostasy can't be that every individual will go apostate.
But my conclusion is that there's a generic falling away within Christendom, Christianity, is a falling away of the truth, generically. It doesn't mean there aren't individuals. There will be individuals who are strong believers and God affected like that.
So. True believers? Absolutely. There are true believers that will be here.
No, no, I mean what I'm talking about, those that fall away are true believers? Or have one at a time, one time were true believers? No, I don't think so.
Good, 1 John 2, 19, they went out from us because they never were of us. If they had been of us, they would have remained. So the lawless, apostasy must come first. And the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.
Who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called God or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?
And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Whoa, now it's at work at that time. And it still is now, and even more so.
The apostasy in the Christian church is occurring. And I'll show you some stuff about that. And the lawless one who is revealed, will be revealed from whom the Lord will slay with a breath of his mouth and bring an end by the appearance of his coming.
That is the one, that is the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, with all deception of wickedness. That means then the miraculous will be able to be done by the wicked.
There's gonna be an antichrist figure, a false figure. And this is even said in Matthew 7, 22 through 23, on that day, many will say to me, Lord, Lord, do we not prophesy in your name before many miracles, cast out demons in your name, get away from me, I never knew you.
This is saying that the wicked are gonna be able to do some powerful stuff. And many are gonna be deceived. Because in my opinion, too many Christians are not learning good biblical theology, and they're learning feel good, I call it diperinian theology.
Wah, wah, make me feel good. Okay, they don't want meat, they wanna be comforted. Now think about this. We get up in the morning to our alarm clocks, alarm clock warning, okay, BTO, sorry. We get up to our alarm clocks, I suck when it comes to singing, and we go down and pop something into the toaster, I just said this before you guys, and we put a little pot in our Nespresso machine, and then we take our heat, what are we smiling for?
No, I do it, okay, I thought it was, I didn't know? I thought it was a Nephilim thing, I didn't know, I thought it was some Nephilim humor. Okay, so, it keeps slipping out, it keeps slipping out. So we do the Nespresso, we put it in, I even have a coffee cup that has a battery in it to keep it warm, excuse me while I take my finger out of something, and then we go in our car, and we have heated seats, GPS, we get everything, we go to a night church service, et cetera, and we go in afterwards after the nice pleasant service and the whole bit, we get served at a restaurant.
And this has become our Christianity. Now, I'm not saying that's evil, no, we have a lot of benefits, a lot of great things, and praise God and thank you, Lord, but we become atrophied, we become atrophied, and by becoming atrophied, we become weak, we become comfortable, and one of the comfortable things that we hear is pre-tribulation rapture.
We're not gonna go through it all. It fits the American mentality, and that doesn't mean it's wrong for that, but I'm saying you gotta be careful because an apostasy is gonna be coming. Now, we talked about such things as aliens and the occult, and I've talked about how the occult, the more occultism there is, the larger the occult doors open and demonic manifestations can occur.
We don't know what aliens are, there's a lot of theories, but some Christian theologians are saying maybe they're demonic manifestations, could it be that they'll be coming out of the heavens and say, see, we're the ones who did this and that, and everyone believes.
We don't know, but it does say there are signs from the heavens and a big, great deception. They're deceived because they don't believe the truth. What is the truth? Now, Jesus is the way, the truth, and life, nobody comes to the Father but through him, John 14, six.
Now, the truth is there's only one God in all places, all existence, all time, Isaiah 43, 10, 44, six, 44, eight, 45, five, just one God, and he's a trinity, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. I can do a whole study on the trinity sometime.
I think you guys would probably like that if I did that. Maybe even next week I'd go through the trinitarian teaching and go in depth, the ontological economic trinity, the perichoresis and the divine simplicity as it relates to the certain essence of God being the universal standard of all conditions, and I can explain the one and the many problem philosophically and why God can answer that if you guys want.
But so we also know that Jesus Christ is God in flesh. He has two distinct natures, and he's a man right now in a glorified, physical, resurrected body. He has two distinct natures, divine nature and the human nature.
We call this the hypostatic union. The natures have attributes, and the attributes of both those natures are ascribed to a single person. That's called the communication of the properties. Jesus died on the cross, burying our sin in his body on the cross, and he canceled the sin dead at the cross.
I'm gonna step on toes. Get your toes, take your shoes off, put your toes out. I'm gonna step on them. I want you to learn about God's sovereignty because it's either God is sovereign or we're sovereign.
Either God is sovereign over our free will or our free will is sovereign over God's choice because what most people are teaching in the church today is that God stands at the door of your heart asking for permission to come into your life and it's up to you and your wisdom.
Yet Proverbs 21 .1 says God moves the heart of the king where he wishes it to go. What must we do to work the works of God? This is the work of God that you believe on whom he has sent, John 6, 28, 29.
To you it has been granted to believe, Philippians 1 .29. You're born again, not of your own will, John 1 .3. You're caused to be born again, 1 Peter 1 .3. I misquoted something. You're born again, not of your own will, John 1 .13.
The Bible teaches that God predestines us for salvation. Second Thessalonians 2 .13 says you have been chosen for salvation from the beginning, which we go right in here. But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren, beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation.
According to his foreknowledge. Oh, according to his foreknowledge.
Foreknowledge is the word prognosko in the Greek. And it says in Romans 8 .29 that those who be foreknown, he also predestined. Only the foreknown ones. I'll show you why that's a problem. Why is that a problem?
This is one of the problems the church is teaching. This is one of the signs of the apostasy.
Why did God put Adam in the garden in the first place? If he chose some to be predestined to be saved, some predestined to be lost. Can you guys hear him? Why do we even preach the gospel?
Because God tells us to and it's to get the elect out. But let me show you. Hold on, hold on. Because God uses, God ordains the means as well as the ends. Now, he ordains the means as well as the ends.
No, it's not. Ah, now we're at a good place, okay. Now, now, foreknowledge, a lot of people think, means that God looks into the future to see who's gonna choose what. And then he makes his choice based on what he sees they're gonna do.
He died for us. One point at a time. So then they say that he's going to choose people based on a good thing he sees in them. First of all, none will choose God because the Bible says, I'll go through the verses.
This is biblical theology, I'm gonna go through the verses. There's none who seeks for God. There's no one who does good, Romans 3, 10, 11, and 12. The natural man cannot receive the things of God for they're foolishest to him.
That's 1 Corinthians 2 .14. They are by nature children of wrath, Ephesians 2 .3. They're dead in their trespasses and sins, Ephesians 2 .1. They're slaves of sin, Romans 6 .14 -20. They're haters of God.
They do no good. They don't seek for God. Oh, Jeremiah 17 .9, their hearts desperately awoken this evil cannot be trusted. Now here's the question. This is something for everybody to listen to. If the Bible says that the unbeliever is a hater of God who does no good, does not seek for God, cannot receive spiritual things, is a slave of sin, dead in his sins, does no good, his heart's full of wickedness, by nature, child of wrath, then will God's foreknowledge mean that he knows if they're gonna choose God or not?
The answer is, of course not, because they won't, because they can't, because they are slaves of sin, haters of God who do no good. The mistake that a lot of people make, sorry, is the idea that God's foreknowledge means he knows who's gonna pick him under different circumstances but the scriptures say they will not.
And we know that's the case because Jesus says, you cannot come to me unless it's granted to you from the Father, John 6 .65. So if they could make a free will choice to come to God on their own, then it's not necessary that God grant that they have faith and grant that they have repentance and grant that they come to him.
John 6 .44, and here's the question.
He gives you something, a free gift that you cannot earn. That's right, that's called salvation.
But here's a problem. Some say that God gives, sorry, but we're gonna take on this, so God, he draws you, it's up to your free will, right? It's a free gift, right? Okay, so then I'll say, so he draws all people, right?
Does he draw them? Okay, so why does Bob believe and Frank does not? Because of his free will. Why does Bob's free will enable him to believe that God, Frank? Why does Bob believe and Frank does not? This is an illustration of the nature of free will.
Why does Bob believe Frank does not? Because they'll say, because Bob freely chose to believe and Frank freely chose to not believe. The question then becomes, why did Bob freely choose and Frank freely did not?
They'll say it's free will. Who makes the will? God. Who makes that person? God. Who puts him in that place, in that time? God. Does God not know exactly what the outcome will be of all that he has done?
Yes. So who's the sovereign king? God. This is the thing about false religious systems and part of the apostasy. We have God, we have man. And what they do is they lower God and they exalt man. They say, God's sovereignty is subject and restricted to my will and my freedom.
That's one of the forms of the apostasy coming. When you believe that you are saved because of God's grace and kept because of his grace and that he gave you the ability to believe, he granted that you come to repentance, he granted that you have that faith.
It's by his choice, not by you. He didn't look into the future to see who's gonna pick him because no one would according to the scriptures. Then what that does is it forces so many Christians in America to go, what?
That's not what I was taught. Exactly, it's not what you're taught because it's the other stuff, which I'm quoting the references in the scriptures, which I've been doing for 30 years now, teaching this, is what the biblical theological position is.
We can go to Romans nine if you want and go through Romans nine. I can take you guys through that if you want me to do that online or whatever. And I can show you what the issue of Romans nine is teaching is about individual election by God's sovereign choice, not man's.
It cannot be that man looks in the future, knows what they're gonna do, and the foreknowledge is what determines his predestination because there is no foreknowledge sense. This error of the human free will is sovereign over God's and God knows what's gonna happen in the future and that's why he picks them has led to two errors, one called Mullenism and one called open theism.
Open theism says that the future is not knowable because our free will choices can't be known because if God knows what you're gonna choose, then when it comes time to choose, you can't choose anything differently because God knew you're gonna do it so how are you free to do it?
And it's a mess for them. So then they restrict God and say God doesn't know everything. He only knows what's possible to be knowing and now he can't know all those things. So that's an error. Mullenism is an error deals with what's called counterfactuals.
So God knows before the universe was existing, existed, God knew all things that might exist, all combinations of all things because God knows everything, 1 John 3, 20. And the Mullenists will say that inside of this realm of God's infinite knowledge of potentialities is a set of conditions, of potential conditions where he would know what the free will creatures would do under certain circumstances and that they would then choose Christ based on certain circumstances and then he brings the world into fruition in which the most number of people will choose him based on the counterfactuals.
Counterfactuals are things that don't exist but might exist. Jesus says, what are you? If the miracles have been done in your city that were done or back in that city what they've done here, they would have repented and believed, forgot the verse.
That means he knows the counterfactuals. The Mullenists are saying that God knows the counterfactuals what the people will do under free will choices and they'll believe in Christ. The unbelievers will come to believe under certain circumstances.
That means that God then is reacting to what they will do and it says that they can truly believe even though the scripture says they cannot. Mullenism creates counterfactuals in the mind of God that don't exist and they cannot exist.
They're against scripture. This is another error called Mullenism that's crept up into the scenes now. Now most people, you guys are not gonna hear about any of this, okay? But as an apologist, I deal with this a lot.
Mullenism, Opentheism, Unitarianism, Binatarianism, Modal Monarchianism, Arianism, Synergistic Soteriology, I can go on.
Yeah. In the garden, when God created man and evil and he told him not to eat of that tree of good and evil, okay, man had a choice. Yes, Adam had a choice. He was not fallen. He was not fallen. No, he was innocent.
That's right, he was not fallen. He was innocent, was not fallen. Right. And after he sent, why did God put an angel in front of the garden so he couldn't eat of the tree of life? Yeah, so he wouldn't stay.
So he wouldn't be eternally lost. Right, in that condition, right. So what differentiates that from us today being moved by the Holy Spirit, when we hear the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and we respond to it and he gives us the free gift of eternal life.
It's not predestined that we are saved. Somehow, and you have to admit this, that in the sovereignty of God, and if you figure out all that God thinks and understands, that's very arrogant on our part if we do that.
Yeah, I would agree.
So what we do instead is go with what the scriptures tell us.
Well, I'm just going with what the scriptures tells us. Adam had a choice. Yeah, Adam did. He wasn't predestined to fall, was he? Was he? That's a different topic. Why do you change when I say something?
That's a different topic.
Because predestination deals with the issue of God's sovereign decrees and the different
Yes, it's sovereign in all matters.
Because there are different levels of his decrees. There's a direct decree and an indirect decree. We have direct and indirect causation. That's what man says.
That's what man says. Man tries to bring, you just said it yourself, man has tried to bring God down to his level of understanding. God's ways are higher than a blade of sword.
Well, it says, Ephesians 1 .4, he chose us and him before the foundation of the world. So Before he gave his father. No. That's what it says in Mormon. No, it says those whom he foreknew, he also predestined.
Yeah, but I mean it was on his forefathers.
No, not as in, not, no, no, no, not, I'll show you why. Not as in him knowing what's going to happen. Because the word to know, K-N-O-W in Greek is ginosko. And it's, you never find it any place in scripture where, like for example, Jesus says to an unbeliever, I know you, except for one place where he says to the Pharisees, I know you, you're your father, the devil.
And so he doesn't say, I just know you. Whenever God says, I know you, it means you're saved. Says, I don't know you, means you're not saved. That's the word ginosko. When you do not know God, you serve by nature those which are not gods.
But now that you've come to know God or rather are known by God, now you serve the true and living God, Ephesians 4 .8 and 9. Jesus says in John 10 .27, my sheep hear my voice and I know them. Matthew 7 .22 and 23, many will say that day, Lord, Lord did not do this, this and this.
Get away from me, I never knew you. That's the word ginosko, ginosko, ginosko. Pro ginosko, those whom he foreknew, he also predestined. They're the same ones known in a salvation sense ahead of time.
Those are the ones who predestined. That's what that means. Sometimes people make the mistake, sorry, but they say God knows what they're gonna choose in different situations. That's called mullinism, that's called mullinism.
That he knows the counterfactuals.
He knows what they're gonna do in different situations. Yeah, that's called mullinism. Does he know the beginning from the end? Yes. Is he in the time spectrum? Yeah. No, he isn't. Yeah, he is, he's Jesus Christ.
He's in the time spectrum by definition. No, he's not.
Well, we don't know that. But Jesus is. No, no, no, no, he is. God is outside that though. See, to say he's outside of time, no one knows what that means. So I say to people, don't say that phrase.
They don't know what it Is God limited to time? It says that he's No, you're not hearing what I'm saying.
You're not hearing A day is a thousand years. You're not hearing what I'm saying. I'm saying, logically speaking, when someone says God's outside of time, I can say, what does it mean to be outside of time?
He's not subject to time. Is that what outside of time means? Well, is he subject to time? No, no, I Let me ask you that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I said, is that what the phrase outside of time means?
You see, people use the phrase, and I say, what does the phrase mean? How do you know that's what it means? What does it mean to you? No, no, you don't understand. People use phrases, but they don't know what they mean.
And I I just defined what I mean by God's not subject to time because time has nothing to do with him. He's eternal. Let me ask you a question.
Is Jesus God in flesh? Absolutely. Okay. Was Jesus subject to time when he was on earth? Yes, he was. Okay. So there is a sense in which we would say that at least the pre-incarnate, the word incarnate has an effect with time.
What I say about He set aside his divine philosophy. No, he did not. Don't say that. That's a false teaching. He took upon himself human form and humbled himself. No, that's Philippians 2, five through eight.
Yeah, but you can't say he set aside his divine prerogative because that violates what's called the ontological trinity. But believe it or not, this is what I do for a living. I've been doing this for 42 years and I've debated this and taught it.
Good, good. But I'm just telling you that this is, these are things. You don't say, I say to people, don't say he's outside of time. Just say he relates to time differently than we do. That's all. Why is that?
Why is that bothering you? Because as a Christian apologist who debates this with people all the time, that phrase runs into problems. And I'm just trying to help people.
Not stub their toes later on. You know, Paul said something in the written, and I think it's very relevant. He said, I didn't come to you with eloquent speech and wisdom of this world, but I came to you following demonstrations of the Holy Spirit, that your faith might not hinge upon me.
Okay. Got a question for you. Then, let's test it. Jesus has two natures, right? Yes.
Which one died on the cross? His physical. He took our flesh. Human, wait, that's not the substitutionary thing. The question is, which nature died on the cross? The human nature. Now here's a question.
If only the human nature died on the cross, then how's the sacrifice of divine value?
Sacrifice of divine value. It was accepted by God as the final and wonderful.
It was accepted. How's the sacrifice of divine value if only the human nature died? I can answer it. I'm trying to show you that just because someone says, well, we don't want to use philosophy or men's thinking and all that sort of stuff.
I'm showing you an exact example where that's exactly necessary.
But I think in essence, a lot of confusion has come into Christianity, and there's some good and there's some bad, because I think men and their arrogance. But here's the question. We've contextualized so much of this stuff that the everyday person can't understand it when the Greek person was given an everyday language but understand it.
And that's what we need to do. So we don't need to go to seminary. We have the Holy Spirit and the Word of God as our final quote of our preparation. So let me ask you the question.
If only the human nature died, then how's the sacrifice of divine value if only the human nature died?
He was, what was he raised in, human nature? He was a human. Clausus. He was raised in a divine, physical body. His body was not divine. In his resurrection? His body. He can go through walls, he can eat?
It didn't say he went through walls. He appeared.
It says he appeared. It didn't say he went through walls. So the question, this is what the cults have asked me. Matt, you believe Jesus is God? Yes, because he denies God. Well, Matt, only the human nature died, right?
I know where they're going. I know the answer already because I learned it in seminary. And so they'll say, okay, well then, if only the human nature died, then how come the sacrifice is a divine value, Matt?
And I'll say, oh, that's easy. It's called the communicatio idiomatum, the communication of the properties. And they'll say, I don't need fancy stuff. I say, well, hold on a sec. Jesus said, I am thirsty.
I will be with you always, even at the end of the earth. The same person I claim the attributes of humanity as well as divinity. We call this the communication of the properties of the one person. We look at it and go, oh.
So he had a human nature and a divine nature, still does. And the attributes of both were claimed by the one person. It's called the communication of the properties. It's a big fancy term. Learned it in seminary, communicatio idiomatum.
And so what that means is that when he died, then the person died on the cross. Therefore, the person is of divine value. Solution. It's not big wisdom and all this philosophy stuff. It's what's necessary when you get into higher levels of debate, teaching, and getting into theological perspectives.
How many people know this? How many people know that? I'll tell ya. Well, sure. But you asked how many people know. You have to go to seminary to know. And I'm not talking against them. Yeah, that's good.
I think we need people that have learned the multispeak language and the tenses and the verbs and all of that.
The clenchings, parsing. So how many people know? Well, a lot more since I've been teaching it and others have been teaching it. Now they have more information about who Christ is to his glory. Now I'll show you something else.
Here's a, I'm gonna set you up and trick you. Ready? Ready? It's a loving trick. Okay, have you died? Is it loving if it's gonna trick you? I do this with all, no, no, no. You'll see what I'm saying. I do this with unbelievers.
I do it with believers. Like, hey, I'm gonna set you up. And they go, okay, set me up. Because it's just all in fun. So have you died? Have I died? I died with Christ. Amen. Romans 6 .6 says we were crucified with Christ.
Romans 6 .8 said we died with him. Colossians chapter three, verses one through four said we died with Christ. Now, have unbelievers died? They're condemned already. Have they died? The same context, have they died?
The answer is no. They didn't die with Christ. That's interesting. Now, would you agree with me that whenever it says anyone has died with Christ, died to sin, died to the world, it's only in reference to the believers, right?
Not the unbelievers, right? Yeah. Okay. Second Corinthians 5 .14. I'm gonna show you, this is what God does with words. The love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died.
Who's the all who died? Of the faith and peace of God. He died for all, therefore the all died.
He died for the sins of the world, but unless that is appropriate, it doesn't exist.
Okay, stick with what it says. He died for all, therefore all died. You already agreed that when it's talking about anyone who died, it's only the believers. So that all who died is limited only to the believers.
All died and all are saved, I guess, huh?
Yeah, and that's universalism, which is a heresy. Yeah, what is a heresy? And so I'll now show you something else. Romans 5 .18. Through one transgression, there resulted condemnation to all men. So also through one act of righteousness, there resulted justification of life to all men.
And that's the universal dying for sin once and for all. It says. For all humanity, but that has to be appropriated through faith.
It says justification resulted. Justification's a legal standing of righteousness. But it's not universalism. I deny universalism. I'm just saying that if you don't study like this, then people miss out.
Is my thinking wrong in this?
No, it's just, we can improve on it, let's just say, okay? So in Romans 5 .18, it actually talks about that there's justification of life to all men. That all isn't everybody ever lived. God uses the word all differently than we do.
So he's saying the all there is a second group. In Adam, all die. In Christ, all should have made a life. That all is referenced to those who are in Christ who died with him. When did he die? 2 ,000 years ago.
Now, sin is breaking the law of God, 1 John 3 .4. Sin is breaking the law of God. Sin's a legal debt. Jesus says, our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Forgive us our debts in Matthew 6 .12.
That's a Greek word, ophilema, legal debt. And in the parallel, Luke 11 .4, he says, forgive us our sins. Jesus equates sin with legal debt, right? So sin is a legal debt. Not only a legal debt, but it's a legal debt.
In John 19, excuse me, John 19 .30, Jesus said on the cross, it is finished. It's Greek, tetelestai, which has been found on the bottom of some ancient tax receipts, signifying a legal debt has been paid in full.
No, it just says a legal debt's been paid. That's not the same thing as redemption, not the same thing as salvation, not the same thing as justification. They're different. Most people don't know that they're different.
Yeah, there's a difference, but they're very closely related. Okay, so Jesus paid for the sin debt, right? If a sin debt is paid for, does the sin debt still exist? If a legal debt is paid for,.
Does the legal debt still exist? Jesus said, when I leave, I will leave you a comforter. And he will convict the world of sin and righteousness and of judgment to come. Sin, the sin of the world now, is what?
Undefeated, indecent.
It's not breaking the temple. We talked about, that's a different thing. I said, if a legal debt is canceled, does the legal debt exist anymore? This is good for you. Colossians 2 .14 says, he canceled out the certificate of debt, consisting of decrees, which is hostile, as he took it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
So when was the certificate of debt, the sin debt, canceled? When Jesus, very good. Now, can anybody go to hell for a sin debt that's canceled?
They go to hell because they bring death. The carrier of sin yet fulfilled the righteous demands of God. Show me that in scripture. I say, show it to me in scripture. See, I've just read. Because of righteousness, because I go to the Father.
God, Jesus knows what righteousness requires. Of the law. But you're not hearing what I'm saying,.
Is that you already admitted, if a legal debt is canceled or paid for, it doesn't exist anymore. So all people have sinned. So if you're saying then, this is logic, this is where apostasy and stuff like that, is the only thing of trusting in the word and the sovereignty of God and all this kind of stuff.
If the legal debt is canceled, it's canceled when Jesus canceled at the cross, it's not canceled when you believe. It's canceled when Jesus died on the cross. You're justified when you believe. Justification is different than the canceling of the debt.
Now, can God send anyone to hell for a debt that doesn't exist? A sin debt that, there's no sin to that person's account. None.
John chapter 16 says, if we believe not, we're condemned already. John 17.
But so, that's right, they believe not, they're condemned. It makes perfect sense what we're saying. But the question is still this, and I do this all the time with people, and they have the same problem.
Takes a while for them to get through. They gotta go, hey, that makes sense. Then you start, the light comes on later, usually they go, I get it. But here's the thing, a legal debt, if it doesn't exist anymore, can't be held to anyone's account.
Jesus canceled the sin debt at the cross.
What's the sin of the world now? What's the sin of the world now? What, now? What's the sin of the world now?
That's setting John. Rejecting Christ. Yeah, rejecting Christ. That's the sin of the world. But Jesus says in John 14, one, he says, believe in God, believe also in me. So it's a command of God. In Exodus 20, the 10 commandments, God tells them to believe in him.
Is belief part of the law? Yes. If you deny belief in him, you're breaking the law. That's sin.
Did Jesus pay for that sin? Romans, you know, says that's faith from beginning to end.
Yes, did Jesus pay for that sin? Did he cancel that sin debt too? And he didn't, I can show you, he didn't cancel, didn't die for everybody. I can show you that from scripture. But if the logic, this always happens.
This is a What I don't understand is,.
You agree and I agree that Jesus paid for that. So what are we talking about here? Who did he cancel the sin? A bunch of semantics? No, this is important. It's important. I know Jesus died for my sins.
What more do I need to know than that? Well, it depends. What does God want you to know?
It's revealed in scripture. So if he canceled this Going in the knowledge of grace. Yeah, amen. Have a great night, Matt. Love your deep discussions on the word, brother. See you, Jared. The logic is simple.
If Jesus canceled a sin debt for every individual who ever lived, nobody can go to hell. Because a sin debt doesn't exist. To say that God will judge them for damnation was to say there's no sin by which God could judge them.
And then he sends them to hell anyway. That's accusing God of unrighteousness. And to get around this, what people will do is they'll say, no, it's up to you to believe. But the Bible doesn't say that.
The Bible says to the contrary. The work of God is that you believe. John 6, 29, that's the work of, Jesus said that. And that God grants that we believe. Philippians 1, 29. So God grants that we believe, and that's when we're justified.
We're justified by faith. Romans 5, 1, and we have a righteousness that's not our own. Philippians 3, 9, a righteousness that comes from God. So the righteousness of Christ is reckoned to us. So this is what happens.
Jesus canceled the sin debt for his people. He says he died for all, therefore all died. The only ones, the all who died are only the Christians, the believers, okay? That's not every individual who ever lived.
That's right there from the text. And since he justifications of life to all men, that all can only be a limited group, not every one who ever lived. I show this to people and they go, oh my goodness, it's there.
That's right. He canceled the sin debt at the cross. Not canceled when you believe. But when Jesus died, that's Colossians 2, 14. Well, then I go, wait a minute. And I say, but God grants that you believe, Philippians 1, 29.
God doesn't make any mistakes. God's the sovereign king. He doesn't look into the future to see who's gonna do what and foreknowledge pick them and based on this and based on that. Nope. He decrees all things, whatever he decrees will occur because he works all things after the counsel of his will.
Ephesians 1, 11 and Daniel 4, 35 says he declares the end from the beginning, all things. He's ordained it. And he even predestines that people do evil things. What's that? That's Romans 9, 22 and 23.
But in Acts 4, 27, 28, he actually says the Jews, the Gentiles, those are generic groups of people. And then Herod and Pontius Pilate, those are individuals. So groups of people, as well as individuals to do whatever your purpose and hand predestined to occur.
So that means individuals as groups of people were predestined to do certain things. Yet in Acts 2, 23, they're the ones responsible. Then we get into the issue. We have to get into the issue of logic.
How then can God say that he predestines them, yet they're the ones responsible? Most people stop thinking at this point and say, I don't wanna, no, I can't, it doesn't make sense, I quit. And I say, but we can solve it.
There's a way to do this because the Christian theologians who spent tons of years on their knees, looking at the languages, thinking and saying, God, teach me through the centuries have done this and have revealed so much that God has given so many people such great wisdom.
And it's known and we can learn from so many of them. But what's happening in the arrogance of the church today is we don't need them. Yes, John 6, 64.
Yep. Some of honor others, some under disown. But he gave the opportunity to Judas, but Judas was resistant to his perception of what the Messiah would do. And he rejected that and he betrayed Jesus. That's right.
And Jesus said in John 6 that he was a devil from the beginning. And so Jesus told him, chose him to be there to do what he had ordained for him to do.
Here's a perfect segue, okay? That I That's making sense. So therefore he didn't have a choice to do what he did?
He did have a choice to do what he did. Now we have a, now this is a good segue to something. He had a choice to do what he did. And this is why we have to get into what's called decretive will, prescriptive will and permissive will.
And people go, I don't wanna study all this stuff. It's all philosophy. No, it's not. Well, we have to get into direct causation, proximate causation, or what's called efficient causation. And people think, you know, Matt, come on, you're giving me this.
No, let's talk. See, God, direct causation is this. God says, let there be light. That's his direct action, his direct will. We just call that direct causation. Just like we call the three persons in the Godhead, we call the Trinity.
We use the term Trinity. We use the term hypostatic union. We use the term decretive will. We use the term ultimate causation. He's the ultimate. There's nothing beyond him he created. Okay, proximate, proximate causation.
God put Adam and Eve in the garden, put the tree in the garden, put the garden there and allowed Satan to come in. God's in control. So it's proximate, proximate causation. God's the one arranging everything.
And yet efficient causation is where Adam chose of his own free will to sin. So he chose of his own free will to sin. This is called efficient causation. So when we say God causes things, we go, yes, he did.
But they'll go, oh, you mean he causes evil? Didn't say that. And if yes, you did, no, I did not. You don't understand the theology. What I try and do with people is teach them more advanced theology instead of just stopping someplace, which most churches stop teaching advanced theology and teach them low level stuff.
And this is part of the reason, in my opinion, why the apostasy is coming. They're not teaching about the great sovereignty of God. Now, I'd be careful because I don't know if that's right or not, but I tend to want to say that, that the, oh, wow, the spirit's talking to me or not.
But the thing is, I don't see the pastors teaching these theological perspectives, not that they're all necessary for anyone and everyone to know, because the Christian church is not built up through the issue of intellectual knowledge.
But there are things that the Christian church is supposed to know, but I don't see pastors teaching it. And they need to know some of these things. I do know, however, that there are countless individuals I've come across who know this stuff and are learning this stuff.
And as the unbelief rises, they are rising to the level to be able to discuss these things. So I've done formal debates with some top atheists in the country, and you have to talk on these levels. And then these people will hear this, and then they discuss and it filters down.
The average Christian doesn't need to know this stuff, doesn't need to know this stuff. But since we're talking about eschatology, and since we're talking about the coming apostasy, we have to ask the questions.
What is in place, or what must be in place in order for an apostasy to come to pass? One of the symptoms of an apostasy, I would say, is the reduction of God's majesty and the elevation of man. Because this is what Adam and Eve did.
They didn't do it in these words, but hey, I'll decide what's right and wrong, and I'll eat the fruit, and God said this, but I'll do this. So that's the slick version. So they're reducing God's sovereignty and elevating man's.
And so one of the things, and I'll do a trick for those of you who are still listening, there were 40 people there. I'm teaching a Bible study at home, Misty. Is I say, I'm gonna trick you, I'm gonna, you guys have already, let me do this to you.
I'll say, let's define what free will is. And I'd say, I'm gonna trick you. And I'm not trying to be mean, I'm warning them. This is, I want you to know, something's up here. I'll say, is free will the ability, without being forced, to choose between good and bad, right and wrong?
You can do either one. You can freely do either one. No one's forcing you, and you can choose between them. Is that free will? Everybody goes, yeah. And I say, oh, so then what you are are humanist. And they go, well, no, you are.
You don't even know it, let me show you. Because that definition means God doesn't have free will. Because God can't choose between good and evil. He can only do that which is good. So what I did was, inadvertently, to get people to think naturally, at a humanistic level, that what they're trying to do is define will by their own ability, their own nature.
It's our nature to do that. We do it, we all do it. We gotta break free from that. I say, no, free will is being able to choose consistent with your nature. That means God is consistent with his nature.
Holy, he has free will. He can only choose what's holy without being forced. Now we have a definition that has God as the standard and not man as a standard. What I try and do with Christians in the church is I say, inadvertently, you've been taught doctrines like free will that are not biblical.
And they have nothing to do with this. They haven't thought of this. I say, we have to understand that God is the ultimate and God is the standard of all things. We use him as the standard of righteousness.
If we're gonna have free will, we have to define it by God's nature, not ours. And if we define it by God's nature, and it means therefore, then you can only do what you can do without being forced. Then when we go to scripture and it says, the unbeliever is a slave of sin, a hater of God, who can do no good, will not choose the things of God, then we know that he has that free will, but his free will is restricted only to sinful things.
He will only always choose sinful things. There will be no condition in which God would foreknow that they would choose a good thing, because they can't.
This is biblical theology. That being said, when we're confronted with the gospel of Christ, what does the gospel of Christ state to us? It states to us, as you said, that we are sinners. Yep, I'm a sinner, that's for sure.
That's my wife. You're presented with that, and then you're presented with that God loved us, why we were sinners, and he's made a place that he's reconciled us to himself. We're given and presented that we are sinners.
And I've come up with a kind of a definition of sin. You might be interested in this. I believe sin is self-determination apart from the will of God.
That's a good working thing of sin.
And that's really what it boils down to. And when we are confronted, as the law confronts us, that we all fall short of the glory of God. We all are sinners, okay? And then God says, oh, you agree with me.
Now I'm offering this free gift to you. Do you want to respond to that?
That's a gift. But the unbeliever will always respond negatively. Well, then how do I get saved? Because God granted that you believe, Lepens 129. That's true, he granted me.
I don't understand the full sovereignty of God, and you don't either.
Of course not. I just know the scripture says he grants that you believe.
Yes, you have a certain understanding as I do, maybe at a higher level than I do. But to understand God's full sovereignty, you have to be God.
Yeah, and I don't. But the Bible says that you're a believer because he granted that you believe. He granted that you come to Christ.
He granted you repentance. And Paul saw that with the Philippian woman at the stream, remember? God granted her understanding of what Paul was saying.
Yeah, he opened the mind of Lydia in Acts 16, 14. He opened her mind to believe the things that Paul had said. God opened her mind. So who's the sovereign God?
I heard a statement, and I think it says it's all of God and none of me.
All of God, none of me. That's good theology. Jechiah says most people are a mix of good and bad. Well, Jechiah, from a human perspective, that would be true. From a divine perspective, it's not. In the revelation of God, he says none does good, Romans 3, 10, 11, and 12.
There's nothing that good comes out of us, period. The only way we can do anything good is if it's through the blood of Christ for the glory of God according to the word of God. That's where goodness is.
God is the standard of goodness. We would not even have the ability to ask what goodness is if we did not look to God first. So when people say it was a mix of good, they're presupposing that there's a universal standard of goodness out there, and they have the access to it, and they can apply it to individuals, but that's not the case.
We wouldn't even be able to say what is good if we don't have God as the revelator out of his nature of what goodness is. Then we can ask the question, what is good? And the only way to know what is good is by looking at God.
And since he says none is good, then all of us are not good, and we're bound by sin. That's why the Bible says as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed, Acts 13, 48. And that they were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, Ephesians 1, 4.
That means before we were living, we died in Christ, we were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, Ephesians 1, 4. But it's not the case that God looked at the future to see who would do what, or under different conditions and see that they would choose, and that's how he based his choice on.
That's not the sovereignty of God, and it also violates what's called the aseity of God. The aseity of God deals with his nature, in that he is alone in all areas eternally and is non-contingent. Non-contingency is a quality that belongs to God alone.
It's called his aseity, A-S-E-I-T-Y, aseity. Aseity means God alone is God. God alone is independent, and God eternally has existed as he is and has no cause or need to be dependent upon anything in any way, shape, or form.
This aseity means that forever, for God before the foundation of the world, that his existence is self-needed, self-actualized, self-real, without any condition in any way, shape, or form, because there is nothing else existing for forever as God was, just so we can't comprehend, and then he decided to create us, and then we are.
So it's aseity. So here's a question about aseity. If he has aseity, eternal independence of all things, then will he be making any choices, eternal choices based on what he sees people do? That's a serious question.
It's not an easy question to answer, because, check this out, the only way anybody could make a choice is if God creates them. But if he creates them, he works all things after the counsel of his will.
He knows the choices. Does he know what choices they'll make if he creates them? Well, yeah, but it's not a conditional thing because God knows all things potential as well as actual eternally. So it's not a learning thing with God because then it means that God does not have eternal knowledge, and it would mean he'd be increasing the knowledge.
That violates the doctrine of his omniscience, but also kind of stubs his toe on this monument of God's aseity, because his independence exists from all place and all times and all ways. That means then free will creatures only have free will if God decrees that they have free will, grants that they have free will, and even their free will can only exist under the work of God in his ultimate and proximate causation.
Then he knows because they can't choose anything apart from him, yet they're free at the same time, but it all works after the counsel of God's will, Ephesians 1 .11. So foreknowledge cannot be that God knows what they're going to do in different circumstances because that's counterfactuals, which is the error of Molinism, that they will be able to choose good under certain circumstances, but that's not biblical because no one will choose him because no one can because no one is able to, and the only reason they would exist anyway if God created them to exist, and their sovereign choices are under the decree of God.
People say, well, that means our robots. No, it doesn't, because God can work with our free will, but our free will is not independent of God, Ephesians 1 .11. This is biblical theology at a more advanced level.
Most people are not ready for it, but I've found that most people, when they hear it, they go, whoa, yeah, more, more, more, because they're hearing things, and then more things are put together, and they go, now I can see how it works, because before it was, well, Bob and Frank are identical twins, identical everything.
Bob believes and Frank does not, why? Because they're free will. Why does his free will enable him and the other one does not? Well, because it is free will, and I asked the same question. They can't answer the question, but I can.
He believed because God granted it, he believed, Philippians 1 .29. Well, that's not fair.
Why, where'd you get fair? Well, it comes back to the point that God is always the initiator, because if God is righteous and holy, and we are sinful creatures, he has to be the one to initiate, and he did so in his Son, Jesus Christ.
There you go. Right, God was in charge. At the time of the real salvation. Colossians 1 .20. He's given us the ministry of reconciliation,.
That God is making a deal. That's right, that's right. And so, now here's the thing. Now the Christians are truly freed. Now this gets even more interesting. The Christians are truly freed. They're no longer slaves of sin, but we can sin.
Now, here's a mystery. God, or James says, John, James 5 .17. The prayers of a righteous man avail much with God. Wait a minute. So am I righteous? Yes, because of Jesus. So do my prayers avail much with God?
Yes, because James said so. How do my prayers, which I pray now, influence God? Who ordained that I influence him from eternity ago, which is part of a sovereign plan to begin with? To answer that question.
You see?
As we are growing in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, as we are about renewing our mind to know the truth of the will of God, and our prayers are going to align with the will of God. We never pray to change God's mind.
We pray to pray according to God's will. There you go. There you go.
I feel the need to say something. I need to kind of, because it doesn't happen very often, but I said something, and I think the Holy Spirit may have said, hey, back up on that one. And back to the issue of, I don't think the pastors are doing a good enough job.
And it's like, I shouldn't say that. I really think the Holy Spirit's speaking to me saying, don't say that, you don't know. And so, okay. So I'm just gonna say, the pastors are being called by God to do different things at different levels in different ways.
And to make sure that I recognize that and other recognize that as well. They don't have to know all this stuff. But from that, I am concerned though, that what must be in place, and I thank the God for conviction, but I wanna know what must be in place in order for an apostasy to occur.
And from what I've seen, the reduction of God's sovereignty and the elevation of man's sovereignty is the basis for apostasy. And so how far does that go? Now we can have different levels of that error occurring, even while people are going more and more sanctified in Christ Jesus and loving him more.
They may not have their doctrine in these higher, higher quote, air quotes level, but they can love Jesus more. Just because you have this kind of knowledge doesn't mean that you're more spiritual. People can be very spiritual at a level without even knowing that stuff and be far more godly.
As we need, I grant that. And so my concern is as a Christian, as a theologian, as an apologist is, I'm gonna stop this apostasy. That God prophesied will occur, okay? So, you know, the tidal wave's coming and I'm standing out there with my paper towel and I'm gonna stop that paper towel.
Let me add, Isaiah was, I mean, Elijah was like-minded because he thought the whole world was against him and he was the only one left. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And he says, I have 7 ,000.
That kept, that's right, that's right. Well, the thing is we all become narrow-minded in certain perspectives. And though I've learned my theology very well, I do apologetics a lot, I've seen, what we see in this country, we'll close this up pretty quickly.
I see in the country the apostasy that's coming in the church. And it is, because the Bible says it's coming. And I don't know if you know what Kenneth Copeland is, Kenneth Hagan? Good, good.
When I became a Christian, I came into the Catholic movement and as I started reading my Bible, I said, people are reading a different book.
There you go, good.
I sat under a lot of these and I listened to them. I went to Captain Coonan meetings and all of that. I've been there, done that brother. And I can see the apostasy and the ungodliness and the world and the risk of a man creeping into the church today.
We've come so far from the first century Christians that turned the world upside down because they were convicted by the Holy Spirit and they went out to their families and to their communities. And what we do today is we bring people to church to be saved instead of the church, building the saints and maturing the saints that they may go out and get them.
I don't know where you got that from.
Sounds like it's right out of scripture. So good, I'm glad that you think those guys are whacked morons because they are. They are an example. Oh man, no, I believe in the gifts, but those guys are whacked, okay?
But you know what? Here's a possibility for what the apostasy might be. This is Revelation two, I know your deeds. This is to Ephesus. I've been to Ephesus. I'm sorry, I brag about it every time. I've been to Ephesus.
I walked down the streets, I was in there. I saw, okay, I've been to Ephesus. Okay, I'm sorry, it's braggy, I know. This is the angel of the church of Ephesus, right? The one who holds the seven stars in the right hand and the one who walks among the seven golden lampstands says this, I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance that you cannot tolerate evil men that you put to test.
Those are called themselves, call themselves apostles and are not, this is like that. You have perseverance and endured for my name's sake and have not grown weary, but this I have against you that you've left your first love.
Maybe that is where the apostasy is.
The Ephesian church, he really gives good word to them about the work that they're doing. But I see a lot of that in the church day. It's become very mechanical. People checking off the boxes here, and they've lost that personal relationship with their creator.
They've lost that God has given us a spirit that we might understand freely, but he's given us. And we have a lot of knowledge, but knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. That knowledge has to be administered in the love of Christ.
And sometimes love is hard. I don't like loving. It's too tough.
Yeah, and I think that's it. You left your first love, and I'd say the first love is Jesus Christ himself. Because a lot of people don't realize, and I could teach a theology on it, but we're called in the fellowship with the son of Christ Jesus, 1 Corinthians 1 .9.
And that's what it is. And that's one of the dangers. I'll just say this. I've said this before many times. One of the dangers I have, having learned so much over the years, is that I can then fall away from the first love of that intimacy with Christ and be an apologist.
And that's something I've had to struggle with over years. And someone once said, and it was like, that's right. We fall on our strengths as well as our weaknesses. And so we gotta be careful what strength we have so that they don't take the place of Christ.
And Paul said, we're weak. That's where I'm strong. And his strength wasn't in himself. It's in Jesus. Not the most of all himself. But he said, I want to see people. I want people to see Christ in my life, not me.
I have two survival guides. I know that Christ lives in me. Amen.
That's what it is. I think that the apostasy is the movement away from that kind of centrality of Christ. I don't, I know my theology inside out. I don't, and I tell people, you don't have to know hypothetic union, communicatio, idiomatum, justification, imputation, propitiation, the divine simplicity.
You don't have to know all that unless you do what I do for a living and answer questions and do radio. And someone said, where's your radio show? I'm still doing it. Ask again and I'll give you more information.
But the biggest thing is faith in Christ. In fact, I just remembered something that Chuck Smith said where we used to go to his church. I never forgot this. It was just, it was just stuck with me. He said there was this girl who was just newly saved, you know, a year or less or something.
And she would go out to this park and she would just share the faith with Jesus. She didn't know much, just sharing Jesus. That's all she knows. And this atheist guy would come up to her. Well, what about the imputation?
What about this? What about that? What about the universal thing? What about that like that? And she just, she goes, I don't know. But the only thing I do know is that Jesus died, Christ died for our sins.
And if you put your faith and trust in Him, you'll be safe from your sins. So I know, I'm sorry. He goes, and he walked, and he walked off. And then a week later, oh, the story goes on. The week later, he comes back and she goes, well, Jesus, what about this?
What about that? He goes, I don't know. And it happened like this week after week after week. And here he comes again. And she's going, this guy won't give up. And he walks up and he says, how do I get saved?
Well, I have to give my testimony here about my conversion. My wife was saved first and I was very resistant. And the head of her Bible study, she used to go to, came over and talked to me about the Lord quite a few times.
And I remember one day I thought of this question. I thought, man, I'm gonna pick this guy, really make him stick his foot in his mouth. And I can't even remember the question, but I asked him, he says, Brian, and he told me about Christ down from my sins.
He says, I can't answer that for you, but Jesus can. He says, why don't you pray with me right now and accept Christ as your Savior? And he'll answer that for you. And I thought to myself, what if I got to Luke?
And he put a Sound familiar, yeah. He put a Bible, a New Testament in my hand 50 years ago. And I haven't sat down since. God. God has his ways.
He has his ways. And that's right. Yeah, so he has his ways and praise God because he's been merciful to us all. And the Bible is so deep and yet the message of truth is also so simple. My mom said this once, she goes, it's so deep that super advanced theologians can learn because it's there.
But it's also so easy that the simplest child can get it. And he says, it's one of the beauties of its majesty, it's that great. Me, I'm autistic. I love all that deep stuff. And I live in those realms where I have to debate and teach.
But even then, I get the privilege of just preaching the simplicity of the gospel. I got to do it a couple of nights ago.
My own self. I find that the more I grow in Christ, the more I realize how little I know. Because God, it's like Romans says, that the width and the depth, scope of the love of Jesus Christ, it's beyond human comprehension.
That's right.
Amen. And we're gonna have all eternity to learn about it. And even then.
I think another misconception I would have to think about. A lot of people think they're gonna go to heaven and all of a sudden they're gonna understand and know everything. And then it's gonna kind of get boring.
Oh, no, it's not. God is a divine God. And it's gonna take all of eternity to fully comprehend of the glorious things that he's done and made. Yep. It could take forever. That's right.
Now, I'm sorry, I got distracted. Someone said, I really liked the fiction book that I wrote. Which one? Yeah. So, good. Which one? Atheistica. Time Trap. And then The Influence. Really enjoyed the fiction book that I wrote.
Well, which one? I hate that. I could know when people read the books and they like them, which one they like. Did you read my book, Time Trap? Did I give it to you? You have it? I hear Nephilim have problem with time things.
Last week, last week, or before last week, we're talking about Nephilim, whatever. And blood types. And she has a very unusual blood type. And I'm a jokester, you do? And I'm a jokester. So I said, I heard a Nephilim have blood types like that.
Someone asked. And so, so she's in the back sitting over there and a bunch of people here. She's in the back. And so, you know, we're talking and then she goes, I have a question. And it's like 10 minutes after all this big brouhaha and stupidity about the Nephilim I was teasing her about.
I go, yes, you, the Nephilim in the back. And so. I thought it was awesome. I thought it was awesome. So I've been, we had a run in with it. Right, right, you, Nephilim in the back. And she actually went, well, hey, it's been a second.
Okay. So it's the influence that he liked. Good. Okay. All right. Good. Oh,.
Well, anyway. I thank you for the stimulation. Oh yeah. I make people think. I, I, I disagree with you agreeably. That's all right. I love you as a brother-in-law. I don't like you, but that's okay.
I love you anyhow.
I love you anyhow. I love you too, man. So let's pray. We'll officially close it out. And then, and then I'll just stay on a little bit. And if anybody wants to type any questions in, or you can, I'll address them really fast if you want.
Lord Jesus, thank you for today. Lord, I just ask that you would just bless the preaching, the teaching of your word, and that we can learn from your word. And though we may agree, disagree, you know, it's okay.
That you are the one who is a sovereign King who knows it all. And we just want to yield our hearts and minds to you. Thank you, Jesus, for the truth of your word, the power of your word. And just ask for it.
You would further anoint it as we study it. We ask this Jesus, your precious name. Amen. Okay. You want me to go back to Philippians next week? Yeah. Okay. Cool. Get into the hypostatic union. Now we're gonna get into some advanced theology on Christ.
I'll talk about that. We're in Philippians? Yeah, we're in Philippians. We did. What chapter? We're gonna start Philippians chapter two. Chapter two? Next week. But I'm gonna teach some biblical theology on Christ.
Not regarding equality with God, I think to be grasped, but emptied himself, taken the form of a body. Yep. That's right. Oh yeah. And we'll go into that and, and, and stuff. Yeah. There's some verses.
I tell people there's some scriptures I don't like. I just don't like certain scriptures. Cause there are, there's some scriptures. I don't like reading that. Yeah. I don't want to read this. Cause it's, you know, forgive as you've been forgiven.
I don't like that. You know, things like that. I got some problems with that, but you know, it's what it says. So there's some stuff like that in Philippians too. Particularly have this attitude in yourself, which also is in Christ Jesus.
You know, the truth of God's word just gets in the way sometimes. I like my sin. I like my selfishness. I like my stupidity, but the truth of his word just gets in the way. Reminds me when Anik and I were, great Bible study Matt.
Thanks so much. You're welcome so much. I remember when Anik and I were having serious marital problems and it happens a lot of people. And so we went to a, well, when one is a Nephilim, and so, so what happened was I was sitting there.
I still remember the counselor. He's my professor, believe it or not, at seminary. And we went to this counselor and we're having problems. And I'm going to tell you this. My wife had a lot of problems.
She had about a one bag of problems. And I'm going to just tell you honestly, I brought in about two bags of problems. Okay. How about two and a half? I'll get two and a half. Okay. And she's sitting right here.
And this is how the truth of God's a good illustration about the truth, what truth is, what it does to you. And I told him, I said, I don't love her anymore. I don't want to be married to her. She's sitting right here.
She basically felt the same way. You know, we're sick of each other. We don't, we yell all the time. We don't get along all the time. I just, you know, he's sitting there. Listen to me, you know, spew stupidity.
And I don't want to be married. And I don't love her anymore. I this, I that, I that, okay. And yes, yes, Misty, I do have Asperger's. Yes. And so he said, Matt, what do you think being, or love has to do with being married?
And I remember thinking, this guy's an idiot. He doesn't know what he's talking about. And I remember thinking, and he says, and this is what he killed me with truth. Yes. Do you think Jesus loves you because of how good you are?
Do you think he loves you because of, of how nice you are, of what you can do for him? I'm like, oh my goodness. It was just instant. Oh, he's destroying me. He says, he loves you because of what's in him, not because of who you are.
I went, I mean, what am I going to do? I'm in seminary at the time. He is kicking my rear all over the place. It was truth. And it was true. Oh, I wanted to crawl under the chair. Absolutely. But he, it was really magnificent because it was true.
And he says, absolutely. I never, it was one of those life-changing things. And he said, you decide to love your wife and you decide, it's a decision. It's a commitment. You do this and you can, you have to have that feeling.
God will reward you if you obey him in your faithfulness, your marriage. I'm like, he's right about everything. I don't like it, but he's right. And I still remember to this day, walking outside and opening the door for my wife.
Doesn't look hard. I could love you. Okay. It's the truth. And yet here we are with these leaders later, 35 years. And you know, I love her. She doesn't love me, but I love her. Yeah. 524. I like that part.
Right. So it says, submit one to another, into the Lord. You hear that, Nick? Sorry. Did I say that? Inside words came out. I think you had a Victorian spirit about you, brother. A jokester would. I get my, yeah.
I had a shovel. I dig a hole for myself a lot. But yeah,.
It was, it was revolutionary. And it was, it was changing. So Matt says, I mean, Raymond says, Matt, I had a question. What happened when we, when we ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, did we then have power to define good and evil?
We had the arrogance to define what was good and evil, but we still did not have the true knowledge of good and evil because knowledge of the good and evil only comes out of the character of God who then reveals it.
She goes on, but didn't work because really only God has that power. That's right. We can only, here's the thing. You can only know what is true. If God reveals it. The only reason that that's true is because truth is what corresponds to the mind of God.
Since God knows all things, whatever he says is true. The only way to know absolute truth is an absolute being with absolute knowledge reveals it to you. So Jesus is that, and he says, I'm the way, the truth and the life.
Nobody comes to the father, but by me, that's a universal, absolute truth because the infinite God has revealed it to us in the person of Christ. But that's how we can know truth. Likewise, goodness is known because it's a relationship of truth because truth exists in the mind of God and goodness exists in the character of God.
They're interrelated. So truth and goodness are, are related. So from that, we can say this ought, we believe in two plus two equals four. Yes, because goodness and truth are related in the character of God, two plus two equals four ought to be believed logically and morally because more, because truth exists in the mind and heart of God.
And so it is two plus two equals four. So what is goodness? Goodness is what is, is revealed in the will of God. And evil is that which is contrary to the will, to the character of God. Goodness is revealed of the character of God.
That's the only way we can know what is good. And so he says, don't eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Didn't say they will have that complete total knowledge, but he said, you eat of this, you're going to know.
And plus there's responsibility with knowledge and things like that. And there's other stuff that gets into it. I guess, theologically did you hear that tearing sound right out of a second? It's a joke that I say to people when they misquote scripture.
I go, did you, did you hear that sound? That ripping sound, a verse ripped right out of context. And someone just said, did you hear that, that tearing sound right out of second Moronicles? Just, just like I say, yeah, second Moronicles.
So what harassment, what verse was that?
Go ahead. I think of, you know, what Jesus said when he was a pilot in Ireland, said that you are a king. Can we tell you about that? But he said, yes, for this very reason, I was born to testify to the truth.
And he was on the side of truth, listens to me. So the question that's demanded there, who are we listening to?
Yeah. What is truth? He said, and then he didn't allow time for it to be answered. And that is significant. I think he knew who Jesus was and was afraid to get a real answer. Could you imagine if Jesus had said, we probably be like, I'm the truth.
I mean,.
Yeah, there's a lot there. They go to Scott, you know, they'll go to this teacher or that teacher. They don't read the Bible. They can't find the answer. And then they say, Oh, maybe I don't go to the book that tells me all about myself.
That's right. That's right. That's right.
Read it. That's right. And I always, and I have a radio show. So I say, don't trust a guy in the radio named Slick. Go, go read it yourself. Yeah, that's my real name. And so Reverend Slick, and I'll introduce Reverend Slick here.
And once, yeah. So I'm an ex pastor. I was a pastor for a short time. That's an interesting story, but I did pulpit supply in Southern California for years. And so I actually had a request from one church.
I would often repeat, you know, same church I know. And they said, we want you to preach on tithing. We want Reverend Slick to preach on tithing. I said, okay. And I did. I did. I go, folks, Reverend Slick's going to preach on tithing and I'm going to, I'm going to milk this.
This is going to be good. And they got a big kick out of it. And I did. Yeah. So Reverend Slick, you know, but I say to people in the radio, I say, do not trust a guy on the radio named Slick. You check it out on your own.
Jack, that's what I say, right? Yeah. Berean, where's the verse? Where? Act 1711.
Okay. I know God has a sense of humor because he loves you and he loves me. That's right. Well, I like to say to people, I say, if God's got to use someone like me, it's pretty bad out there. That's what I say.
Just saying, if he's got to use, I can just see God going, well, use this guy. You know? All these things that we're going to be passed out through these clowns and all this. And it's going to be a guy comes up that we're used to seeing on the corner and you know, talking to people about Jesus and all of that.
We've studied and we've done all this stuff. And he says, come on in here. I want you to get right at the front of the line. Whoever's first is last and whoever's last is first. Yeah. I think C .S. Lewis said, I think he gave us an analogy.
Someone repeated it to me that he was a great teacher. He had to agree with everything he said,.
But nevertheless, he said, you'd be in heaven and run to the throne of God. And there would be a galloping, magnificent galloping horse. I think he's the one who said this. And it would just come charging through with all this majesty, this person, like this woman on this horse, just like, who and who's that?
You know, man. And the guy goes, oh, that's just a little old lady. And all she did was go to her closet and pray. That's right. And I never forgot that image. That's right. So I feel like they weren't satisfied with my, okay, what?
Okay, wait a second. Oh, let's do it this way. My little kids had been asking me age eight and seven, why did God lie? He did not. Because he said, when they ate the fruit, they would surely die. And they did not die.
Yes, they did die because they died spiritually. That's what happened. It was inside of them that they died. And then later on, it's like, tell them, like you take a plant and you cut the root off the plant.
It's still green and the leaf is still up there, but the root is gone. I think it's gone. It's dead, but it's just gonna take time to fully die. And that's what's going on. I told them they wouldn't have ever died physically if they had eaten the fruit, but God did not lie.
It was just not an immediate punishment. It was an immediate punishment. The immediate punishment was separation from him and a spiritual death. And then the consequent punishment later was the effect of that in the manifestation of physical death.
Okay? All right, perfect. That's what I needed. Good. You got to make it down for the eight-year-olds and the seven-year-olds. Use a plant thing, you know, and it kind of, oh, hey, it makes sense, you know.
Blue. Bob, you said,.
What's your thought? I said, blue. That's what it is. It's a joke. Another joke. What's your thought on? And I said, blue. That's when my wife goes. God followed the fall of man. And then the next scene, we see that man tried to cover himself.
Right, his own works. And then God closed him with an animal that had to be killed. Right. So that's a picture of the covering of Christ, you know, in our life. But again, it's not said specifically, but I think it's inferred that when the offerings of Cain and Abel were brought, the offering of Abel was accepted and the offering of Cain was rejected, but it was predicated on something God already established and that was a sacrificial system.
Right. Am I wrong about that?
You're correct. And it's called the Proto-Engelium, the first mention of the gospel, which is interesting because that's the pre-incarnate Christ in the garden because it was not the Father or the Holy Spirit.
Whenever you see anybody walking in a manifestation of God, I could do a study on this if you guys want some time. And pre-incarnate Christ who instituted the gospel and completed the gospel. Yeah. Author and finisher of our faith.
Author and finisher of our faith.
Author and finisher of our salvation. He started it. Yep, that's right. I guess I'm reading the same book. I'm interested. Yeah. Yes, you know, I'll be praying for you, brother. I need it. Humble and all that stuff, right?
Well, there's a lot more I could teach on, but oh yeah, you think you're irritated now, you wait. I'm gifted. That's what my wife says. I asked her one day, what's my spiritual gift? She goes, being obnoxious.
And I said, okay, got to perfect it. She goes, you can't win. No, I'm humble. I'm proud of my humility.
I mean, I've been working on it. I'm humble, see? And see, it's her fault and I have no faults. That's right.
That's right. I thought I was wrong once, but I was wrong about that. You know, right. That's right. So good. Okay. Anybody else have any questions? Let's see. Raymond says, really the only power we gained by eating from that tree was the power to call bad things good and good things bad.
Yeah. Romans five, Ephesians, Isaiah 520, beware of those who call good bad. Which really is just the power to deceive ourselves and others. That's really good, Raymond. That's really good. Only power we gained by eating from that tree was the power to call good things bad and bad things good, which really is just a power to deceive ourselves.
Raymond, that's really good.
Wow. I think God's given man enough broken in himself. Absolutely. He's done a really good job.
I like that. I really do. I'm going to steal that, but then I got to confess that I, you know. I'm going to plagiarize it. No, I tell people, hey, I learned this from so-and-so. When was it someone taught me?
I learned something recently from somebody and I had to tell on the radio, I'd go, oh yeah, I got this from so-and-so said such and such. You know, I'll do that a few times. And after that, I owned it after that.
What's that? Write some notes.
Oh, you haven't seen my notes. Well, names to ideas. I have those.
If I were to print out just my notes, it's probably going to be a thousand. Maybe, I don't know, 500 pages, 700 pages, just notes.
You know who you remind me of? Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Here we go. And this is a compliment. Oh, okay, good. You remember when Paul was before Felix and giving his testimony? Felix says, this man's out of his mind.
That's a compliment. Oh, I get it a lot.
I get it a lot. Oh, I get it a lot. Because I introduce people to concepts that they're not familiar with and I show them right in scripture. What initially happens is most people are very cautious. No, no, no, go to that.
And then you hear it again and again and again, they go, okay. And then that happens a lot.
I think we have to be firm in the fundamentals and in the peripheral truth. We have to be liable with one another. That's right. That's right.
The road will know you're my disciples with the love you have for one or the other. John 13, 34 and 35. It's been a long time for me to learn. I don't like loving people. It's costly. You got to care about them and you got to stop calling them Nephilim.
Thank you. But who said I'm going to do it? I mean, because that's, you know, there's the fun part. You should have the perspective.
If you don't see it, my wife, the highway.
That's what my wife says. I mean, another one came out. I don't know what that is. Are you out there, Nick? No. I'm safe. Yeah, she's hurt. So you don't know this, Brian, but my wife has one of the rarest connective tissue disorders in the world.
And so she's had open heart surgery, back surgery. She's got a fracture. Oh yeah. Osteoporosis, allergy to wheat. My wife did too, a couple of years ago. Yeah, it's pretty quick and easy. I had mine out.
Yeah, how old is, I mean, I don't want to ask, but you know, I'm in my 60s, so. Wow, you don't look it. No? I thought you might've been in your 60s. So yeah, but yeah, we are decaying. Pleasure meeting you.
I really enjoyed the discussion. Good. It was challenging. Good, that's good enough. And I'll think about some things. Good, that's good enough too. You think about what I said, but you may agree with me.
That's okay. That's okay. That's okay. That's okay. You're faking it too, Billy. That's okay. I joke a lot, so. That's right. Well, we had some guys that normally come over and the guy was sitting here, what was it, a week or so ago, I was talking about some people are really sitting there, so I go.
He just loved it. All right, I'm shutting everything down. Okay, everybody. Pleasure meeting you again. Nice to meet you too. God bless everybody. Thank you.